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"I really doubt the Tories will call an early election where they're like to get decimated. And they've shown with the revolving door of Johnson, Truss & Sunak they don't care about any sort of legitimacy at all. Far more likely, they will cling onto power until they are forced into an election." This  | |||
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"Pat will be here telling us about the Conservative majority elected in 2019 before a catalogue or scandal and corruption and failure (that has fallen by one more) and how well the FTSE 100 is performing, or something... They aren't going anywhere though. Most of them need more time to organise their next jobs." Just this as they are gready and looking out for them selves not even the party. If the thought about the party they would have call a General Election when Boris went, hand the shit problems to Labour wait for 5 years then promis to sort it all out and get back in for another 5,10,15 years but no there just hanging in there. | |||
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"Unless an earlier one is called, the next General Election isn't due until January 2025. This represents five years from the day the current Parliament first met (17th December 2019), plus the time required for a campaign. The changes at No.10 are totally and utterly irrelevant, just as they were when Blair handed over to Brown in Sept 2007. Brown made the country wait until 2010, as he was fully entitled to do, before calling that year's General Election. The deteriorating economic situation at the time, culminating in the Treasury running out of money by 2010, may lead some to speculate that Brown was hanging on til the last possible moment simply to get a few years under his PM belt whilst seeing if things might improve. Many questioned the validity of Brown at the helm, but it was his absolute right to carry on governing irrespective of those who thought he should put the country first. The present time frame, which many lefties abhor now the boot is on the other foot, is exactly the same for Mr Sunak and nothing will happen until he says so, with the proviso the General Election must be held no later than 24th January 2025. " Very Patlike | |||
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"Latest poll shows Labour 22 points ahead." Wonder if labour will actually win an election...... | |||
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"Latest poll shows Labour 22 points ahead. Wonder if labour will actually win an election......" 3 years of Tory blatent corruption will be plenty of time to nurture a votable alternative, whomever it ends up being. | |||
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"Latest poll shows Labour 22 points ahead. Wonder if labour will actually win an election......" Surely even the most ardent Conservative can see the current lot are a busted flush that have run out of ideas? Time for a change. Time for the Tories to regroup and figure out what they are and what they stand for. Time to expel the ERG (or whatever they rebranded themselves) elements of the party. If those people want a more right wing than centre-right party, then let them establish their own and see what the public wants! | |||
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"Unless an earlier one is called, the next General Election isn't due until January 2025. This represents five years from the day the current Parliament first met (17th December 2019), plus the time required for a campaign. The changes at No.10 are totally and utterly irrelevant, just as they were when Blair handed over to Brown in Sept 2007. Brown made the country wait until 2010, as he was fully entitled to do, before calling that year's General Election. The deteriorating economic situation at the time, culminating in the Treasury running out of money by 2010, may lead some to speculate that Brown was hanging on til the last possible moment simply to get a few years under his PM belt whilst seeing if things might improve. Many questioned the validity of Brown at the helm, but it was his absolute right to carry on governing irrespective of those who thought he should put the country first. The present time frame, which many lefties abhor now the boot is on the other foot, is exactly the same for Mr Sunak and nothing will happen until he says so, with the proviso the General Election must be held no later than 24th January 2025. " All true, other than Brown was dealing with the consequences of a global financial crisis whilst attempting to do (and did) the right thing for the country. Today, this Conservative Government have a track record of gross incompetence and self-serving cronyism. There is no attempt to do the right things for the country as they are zealously pursuing ideological concepts that are evidently and visibly making things worse. I get it that Brown waited to go to the country, but first Truss and now Sunak saying they have no intention of going to the country whilst manifestly going out of their way to set back the lives of ordinary people by years? They will not be able to resist the pressure after failure in May because they will have been soundly rejected and there are currently no 2019 manifesto pledges in motion. If the British people sit idly by and allow the wanton destruction of our societal norms by an ideologically driven party then I suppose it is right to say that we deserve what we get. | |||
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"Latest poll shows Labour 22 points ahead. Wonder if labour will actually win an election...... Surely even the most ardent Conservative can see the current lot are a busted flush that have run out of ideas? Time for a change. Time for the Tories to regroup and figure out what they are and what they stand for. Time to expel the ERG (or whatever they rebranded themselves) elements of the party. If those people want a more right wing than centre-right party, then let them establish their own and see what the public wants!" I think that like most of their strategies since 2010, this strategy of “let’s wait and hopefully things might improve” will be flawed and when the election does come along they will be humiliated. This country is not full of friends or enemies, it is full of ordinary people who sense the idea that this form of Conservatism is just wrong. It’s not hard to figure out when after 13 years nothing is better than it was in 2010 and by every matrix or measurement most infrastructure in the country is measurably much, much worse. They have literally fucked EVERYTHING in the pursuit of ideological solutions that have totally failed, | |||
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"Latest poll shows Labour 22 points ahead. Wonder if labour will actually win an election......" They won't. In my opinion. The Tories represent the billionaires and the multinational corporations. Which is why they're receive so much more funding than anyone else, and the support of most of the media. I think the electorate will vote as instructed. As per usual over the past 12 years. | |||
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"Latest poll shows Labour 22 points ahead. Wonder if labour will actually win an election...... They won't. In my opinion. The Tories represent the billionaires and the multinational corporations. Which is why they're receive so much more funding than anyone else, and the support of most of the media. I think the electorate will vote as instructed. As per usual over the past 12 years. " I think that you are under-estimating British people. I don’t doubt the power of the Murdoch Empire and its paid shills, but look how hard they have tried these last few weeks to trash Harry & Meghan and yet on day one his book becomes the best selling non-fiction book of all time. The British people will have their say in May and after that Sunak and the rest of the Tory incompetents will come under relentless pressure to call an election. An election they will have to fight with the ghouls, freeloaders, incompetents and disdainful snobs that they already have as MP’s | |||
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"Latest poll shows Labour 22 points ahead. Wonder if labour will actually win an election...... They won't. In my opinion. The Tories represent the billionaires and the multinational corporations. Which is why they're receive so much more funding than anyone else, and the support of most of the media. I think the electorate will vote as instructed. As per usual over the past 12 years. I think that you are under-estimating British people. I don’t doubt the power of the Murdoch Empire and its paid shills, but look how hard they have tried these last few weeks to trash Harry & Meghan and yet on day one his book becomes the best selling non-fiction book of all time. The British people will have their say in May and after that Sunak and the rest of the Tory incompetents will come under relentless pressure to call an election. An election they will have to fight with the ghouls, freeloaders, incompetents and disdainful snobs that they already have as MP’s" I hope you're right. But I don't see any dramatic change in the way the Tories govern. They've been laughing at us, shitting on us and still being assured they'll get the votes for the whole time. | |||
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"The Conservatives are already hanging on to power by constitutional right if not with any moral authority and year more strikes are looming. If nothing changes between now and May, the conservatives face being decimated and thereby healing yet more pressure on a Government seemingly hanging on to power in spite of the best interests of the country and in spite of public opinion. So what do we think about a summer 2023 GE? Granted, Sunak does not have to call and election until 2025 but can the Conservatives really keep going in the face of unrelenting and ever-increasing pressure after a winter of strikes and local election disasters?" Mr (Crisis what crisis) Callaghan hung on for over 3 years with no parliamentary majority and a new strike almost every week. So, still with a big majority, why shouldn't SunaK? Or is it one rule for Labour and another for the Tories? People with short memories, don't you just love 'em | |||
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"The Conservatives are already hanging on to power by constitutional right if not with any moral authority and year more strikes are looming. If nothing changes between now and May, the conservatives face being decimated and thereby healing yet more pressure on a Government seemingly hanging on to power in spite of the best interests of the country and in spite of public opinion. So what do we think about a summer 2023 GE? Granted, Sunak does not have to call and election until 2025 but can the Conservatives really keep going in the face of unrelenting and ever-increasing pressure after a winter of strikes and local election disasters? Mr (Crisis what crisis) Callaghan hung on for over 3 years with no parliamentary majority and a new strike almost every week. So, still with a big majority, why shouldn't SunaK? Or is it one rule for Labour and another for the Tories? People with short memories, don't you just love 'em" Don’t panic, look over there at what a labour PM did 43 years ago | |||
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"The Conservatives are already hanging on to power by constitutional right if not with any moral authority and year more strikes are looming. If nothing changes between now and May, the conservatives face being decimated and thereby healing yet more pressure on a Government seemingly hanging on to power in spite of the best interests of the country and in spite of public opinion. So what do we think about a summer 2023 GE? Granted, Sunak does not have to call and election until 2025 but can the Conservatives really keep going in the face of unrelenting and ever-increasing pressure after a winter of strikes and local election disasters? Mr (Crisis what crisis) Callaghan hung on for over 3 years with no parliamentary majority and a new strike almost every week. So, still with a big majority, why shouldn't SunaK? Or is it one rule for Labour and another for the Tories? People with short memories, don't you just love 'em" I agree. The electorate are malleable and will vote as their told to. | |||
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"Unless an earlier one is called, the next General Election isn't due until January 2025. This represents five years from the day the current Parliament first met (17th December 2019), plus the time required for a campaign. The changes at No.10 are totally and utterly irrelevant, just as they were when Blair handed over to Brown in Sept 2007. Brown made the country wait until 2010, as he was fully entitled to do, before calling that year's General Election. The deteriorating economic situation at the time, culminating in the Treasury running out of money by 2010, may lead some to speculate that Brown was hanging on til the last possible moment simply to get a few years under his PM belt whilst seeing if things might improve. Many questioned the validity of Brown at the helm, but it was his absolute right to carry on governing irrespective of those who thought he should put the country first. The present time frame, which many lefties abhor now the boot is on the other foot, is exactly the same for Mr Sunak and nothing will happen until he says so, with the proviso the General Election must be held no later than 24th January 2025. Very Patlike" Yes I was wondering if the multiple personalities were manifesting themselves again I guess he’s realised he has to keep more than one profile going as they don’t last very long before they go unlos  | |||
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"Unless an earlier one is called, the next General Election isn't due until January 2025. This represents five years from the day the current Parliament first met (17th December 2019), plus the time required for a campaign. The changes at No.10 are totally and utterly irrelevant, just as they were when Blair handed over to Brown in Sept 2007. Brown made the country wait until 2010, as he was fully entitled to do, before calling that year's General Election. The deteriorating economic situation at the time, culminating in the Treasury running out of money by 2010, may lead some to speculate that Brown was hanging on til the last possible moment simply to get a few years under his PM belt whilst seeing if things might improve. Many questioned the validity of Brown at the helm, but it was his absolute right to carry on governing irrespective of those who thought he should put the country first. The present time frame, which many lefties abhor now the boot is on the other foot, is exactly the same for Mr Sunak and nothing will happen until he says so, with the proviso the General Election must be held no later than 24th January 2025. Very Patlike" but very true | |||
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"Unless an earlier one is called, the next General Election isn't due until January 2025. This represents five years from the day the current Parliament first met (17th December 2019), plus the time required for a campaign. The changes at No.10 are totally and utterly irrelevant, just as they were when Blair handed over to Brown in Sept 2007. Brown made the country wait until 2010, as he was fully entitled to do, before calling that year's General Election. The deteriorating economic situation at the time, culminating in the Treasury running out of money by 2010, may lead some to speculate that Brown was hanging on til the last possible moment simply to get a few years under his PM belt whilst seeing if things might improve. Many questioned the validity of Brown at the helm, but it was his absolute right to carry on governing irrespective of those who thought he should put the country first. The present time frame, which many lefties abhor now the boot is on the other foot, is exactly the same for Mr Sunak and nothing will happen until he says so, with the proviso the General Election must be held no later than 24th January 2025. Very Patlike but very true " 100% Don't worry about what the government are doing. Let's focus on Gordon Brown/EU/Corbyn/Remoaners/Corybn some more/Aliens/etc Absolutely anything else but the government. | |||
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"The Conservatives are already hanging on to power by constitutional right if not with any moral authority and year more strikes are looming. If nothing changes between now and May, the conservatives face being decimated and thereby healing yet more pressure on a Government seemingly hanging on to power in spite of the best interests of the country and in spite of public opinion. So what do we think about a summer 2023 GE? Granted, Sunak does not have to call and election until 2025 but can the Conservatives really keep going in the face of unrelenting and ever-increasing pressure after a winter of strikes and local election disasters? Mr (Crisis what crisis) Callaghan hung on for over 3 years with no parliamentary majority and a new strike almost every week. So, still with a big majority, why shouldn't SunaK? Or is it one rule for Labour and another for the Tories? People with short memories, don't you just love 'em I agree. The electorate are malleable and will vote as their told to. " just like you'll vote labour then | |||
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"The Conservatives are already hanging on to power by constitutional right if not with any moral authority and year more strikes are looming. If nothing changes between now and May, the conservatives face being decimated and thereby healing yet more pressure on a Government seemingly hanging on to power in spite of the best interests of the country and in spite of public opinion. So what do we think about a summer 2023 GE? Granted, Sunak does not have to call and election until 2025 but can the Conservatives really keep going in the face of unrelenting and ever-increasing pressure after a winter of strikes and local election disasters? Mr (Crisis what crisis) Callaghan hung on for over 3 years with no parliamentary majority and a new strike almost every week. So, still with a big majority, why shouldn't SunaK? Or is it one rule for Labour and another for the Tories? People with short memories, don't you just love 'em I agree. The electorate are malleable and will vote as their told to. just like you'll vote labour then" I've voted Labour once ever. In an effort to keep out the local Tory narcissist. It worked that time. A lot of people here seem confused about what the opposite of voting for the Tories is. To be clear, it's - not voting for the Tories. | |||
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"The Conservatives are already hanging on to power by constitutional right if not with any moral authority and year more strikes are looming. If nothing changes between now and May, the conservatives face being decimated and thereby healing yet more pressure on a Government seemingly hanging on to power in spite of the best interests of the country and in spite of public opinion. So what do we think about a summer 2023 GE? Granted, Sunak does not have to call and election until 2025 but can the Conservatives really keep going in the face of unrelenting and ever-increasing pressure after a winter of strikes and local election disasters? Mr (Crisis what crisis) Callaghan hung on for over 3 years with no parliamentary majority and a new strike almost every week. So, still with a big majority, why shouldn't SunaK? Or is it one rule for Labour and another for the Tories? People with short memories, don't you just love 'em I agree. The electorate are malleable and will vote as their told to. just like you'll vote labour then I've voted Labour once ever. In an effort to keep out the local Tory narcissist. It worked that time. A lot of people here seem confused about what the opposite of voting for the Tories is. To be clear, it's - not voting for the Tories. " But but but...two party system, tribalism, footballisation of politics! Well said! | |||
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"The Conservatives are already hanging on to power by constitutional right if not with any moral authority and year more strikes are looming. If nothing changes between now and May, the conservatives face being decimated and thereby healing yet more pressure on a Government seemingly hanging on to power in spite of the best interests of the country and in spite of public opinion. So what do we think about a summer 2023 GE? Granted, Sunak does not have to call and election until 2025 but can the Conservatives really keep going in the face of unrelenting and ever-increasing pressure after a winter of strikes and local election disasters? Mr (Crisis what crisis) Callaghan hung on for over 3 years with no parliamentary majority and a new strike almost every week. So, still with a big majority, why shouldn't SunaK? Or is it one rule for Labour and another for the Tories? People with short memories, don't you just love 'em" Actually no. If you look at what happened after Callaghan that ought to be reason enough for the lesson to be learned that hanging on does no good at all for the country. What is the point in not learning from mistakes made in the past? | |||
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"The Conservatives are already hanging on to power by constitutional right if not with any moral authority and year more strikes are looming. If nothing changes between now and May, the conservatives face being decimated and thereby healing yet more pressure on a Government seemingly hanging on to power in spite of the best interests of the country and in spite of public opinion. So what do we think about a summer 2023 GE? Granted, Sunak does not have to call and election until 2025 but can the Conservatives really keep going in the face of unrelenting and ever-increasing pressure after a winter of strikes and local election disasters? Mr (Crisis what crisis) Callaghan hung on for over 3 years with no parliamentary majority and a new strike almost every week. So, still with a big majority, why shouldn't SunaK? Or is it one rule for Labour and another for the Tories? People with short memories, don't you just love 'em Actually no. If you look at what happened after Callaghan that ought to be reason enough for the lesson to be learned that hanging on does no good at all for the country. What is the point in not learning from mistakes made in the past?" Yes but Callaghan hanging on gave us the BEST peacetime PM EVER. So maybe Sunak hanging on will do the same. Oh! wait a minute. The alternative is Labour. Oh well, lightening doesn't strike twice and all that.  | |||
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"Unless an earlier one is called, the next General Election isn't due until January 2025. This represents five years from the day the current Parliament first met (17th December 2019), plus the time required for a campaign. The changes at No.10 are totally and utterly irrelevant, just as they were when Blair handed over to Brown in Sept 2007. Brown made the country wait until 2010, as he was fully entitled to do, before calling that year's General Election. The deteriorating economic situation at the time, culminating in the Treasury running out of money by 2010, may lead some to speculate that Brown was hanging on til the last possible moment simply to get a few years under his PM belt whilst seeing if things might improve. Many questioned the validity of Brown at the helm, but it was his absolute right to carry on governing irrespective of those who thought he should put the country first. The present time frame, which many lefties abhor now the boot is on the other foot, is exactly the same for Mr Sunak and nothing will happen until he says so, with the proviso the General Election must be held no later than 24th January 2025. " Hi Pat
Was the global financial crisis an "exogenous" event?
If that's the case, then no need to leave as none of it was Gordon Brown's responsibility, right? 
Brown did, actually, manage to help coordinate or at least participate in some sort of salvage operation of the global economy with his peers in other countries.
Sunak is salvaging and exacerbating the consequences of his own parties actions over more than a decade.
How is the UK become better for people over that period? | |||
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"Latest poll shows Labour 22 points ahead. Wonder if labour will actually win an election...... They won't. In my opinion. The Tories represent the billionaires and the multinational corporations. Which is why they're receive so much more funding than anyone else, and the support of most of the media. I think the electorate will vote as instructed. As per usual over the past 12 years. " If Labour actually win the next election. Will you be out of a job..? Or find a new line for these threads | |||
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