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"Not enough Daffodil pickers.. Another great result.." Lazy brexiteers, can’t be bothered to make their Brexit work. Go on work away brexiteers. Have an extra job, go on! | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data." You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data." Hence the phrase " brexshit means brexshit" | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data." So would you be happy paying 10% more on you waste water if this was to stop in 5 years. It will take that long to expand the system at best most sites have holding tanks but they just can't cope any more. Also the use of more bleach, products, and bathing dose not help. 40 years ago it was a weekly bath night now most shower every night or twice a day. | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. " Ran out of money indeed and yet since privatisation close to £60B has been paid in dividends! That fixes a lot of leaks and builds a lot of infrastructure . From WIKI “The newly created, privately owned, water and sewerage companies (WSCs) paid £7.6 billion for the regional water authorities. At the same time, the government assumed responsibility for the sector's total debts amounting to £5 billion and granted the WSCs a further £1.5 billion—a so-called "green dowry"—of public funds.” So they paid the money and still own the land and infrastructure which is worth considerably more and have also constantly been stripping profits which is then handed over to in many cases large overseas investors. No benefit to the U.K. economy. Repeat the above scenario for electricity generation. The Tory mantra of trickle down via low tax for the top earners and selling off everything of value to overseas interests has lead to the situation we are in now. Infrastructure in a mess and no money to fix it. I don’t believe for a moment labour the liberals or the greens have all the answers , however I do think the conservative party’s theories on economics has been roundly proven to have failed this country . We need to clean up the way this country is run . It’s fast becoming a shambles and anyone with an ounce of patriotic feeling should be raging about that ! | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. " Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. So would you be happy paying 10% more on you waste water if this was to stop in 5 years. It will take that long to expand the system at best most sites have holding tanks but they just can't cope any more. Also the use of more bleach, products, and bathing dose not help. 40 years ago it was a weekly bath night now most shower every night or twice a day." See reply from Jackal1 but my response is... Nationalise them. All that profit can then be reinvested instead of lining shareholder’s pockets! | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? " If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. " Ha ha ha the same old cobblers you always churn out….so what has 12 years of Tory austerity brought us? Stagnation of wages, the highest tax burden in over 70 years, 11 per cent inflation, a chancellor who forgot that the negotiated interest on government borrowing was about to come up and therefore we paid £5bn more than we needed, the outright corruption of the fast lane for PPE and Covid contracts, a cretinous prime minister and chancellor who cost at least £8bn (potentially £50bn) and yet it’s all Labours fault? Unbelievable  | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. " Ah the Liam Byrne note! The one that made a bad joke about “there’s no money” which then got misquoted as “there’s no money left” which still completely ignores the point I was making about the Govt never actually having no money! If that were the case the UK would have ground to a halt and collapsed (ie it could not pay for anything). Of course it didn’t did it! It’s become such an inaccurate trope! Banking deregulation...hmmm who started that and continued to support it and who now wants to bring it back in? Clue...it wasn’t Labour! Have you actually looked at the stats for Govt borrowing for the years Labour was in power and compared to the last 12 years? I posted that info in a thread couple of months back. Makes interesting reading/comparison. | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. Ha ha ha the same old cobblers you always churn out….so what has 12 years of Tory austerity brought us? Stagnation of wages, the highest tax burden in over 70 years, 11 per cent inflation, a chancellor who forgot that the negotiated interest on government borrowing was about to come up and therefore we paid £5bn more than we needed, the outright corruption of the fast lane for PPE and Covid contracts, a cretinous prime minister and chancellor who cost at least £8bn (potentially £50bn) and yet it’s all Labours fault? Unbelievable "You sound a bit angry for someone with a liberal left-leaning outlook on life | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. Ha ha ha the same old cobblers you always churn out….so what has 12 years of Tory austerity brought us? Stagnation of wages, the highest tax burden in over 70 years, 11 per cent inflation, a chancellor who forgot that the negotiated interest on government borrowing was about to come up and therefore we paid £5bn more than we needed, the outright corruption of the fast lane for PPE and Covid contracts, a cretinous prime minister and chancellor who cost at least £8bn (potentially £50bn) and yet it’s all Labours fault? Unbelievable
You sound a bit angry for someone with a liberal left-leaning outlook on life "You do switch to personal attacks when you lose the technical argument. You always end up switching to personal attacks. Have you noticed? | |||
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"Not enough Daffodil pickers.. Another great result.." This does seem like an odd OP at this time of year. Especially with no link to give it context. The reality is that Brexit amplifies every negative economic outcome and helps none of the positive ones. As predicted, our Government is moving towards financial deregulation and erosion of employment rights. "Fix" striking by making it harder to strike rather than solving the problem causing them. More to come in the next 18 months, I'm sure. | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. Ha ha ha the same old cobblers you always churn out….so what has 12 years of Tory austerity brought us? Stagnation of wages, the highest tax burden in over 70 years, 11 per cent inflation, a chancellor who forgot that the negotiated interest on government borrowing was about to come up and therefore we paid £5bn more than we needed, the outright corruption of the fast lane for PPE and Covid contracts, a cretinous prime minister and chancellor who cost at least £8bn (potentially £50bn) and yet it’s all Labours fault? Unbelievable
You sound a bit angry for someone with a liberal left-leaning outlook on life
You do switch to personal attacks when you lose the technical argument.
You always end up switching to personal attacks. Have you noticed?"Eh? Do keep up. The gentleman from Bristol has a self-declared 'liberal left-leaning outlook on life'. Why would he attack himself with those words? Merely suggesting someone sounds 'a bit angry' is hardly a 'personal attack' and doesn't come close to some of your diatribes! Who are you to decide that people are having a 'technical argument' and who has 'lost' it? It's a forum where people discuss and debate. Some people's views won't align with yours. You must get over that and stop seeing everything as a big row that somebody must win. You almost certainly won't change the other person's mind, but that isn't really the goal. It's to discuss, debate and pass some fun spare time. Some people seem to have inordinate amounts of time in their 'busy' days and post here every day. But having more time doesn't win a thread either! | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. Ha ha ha the same old cobblers you always churn out….so what has 12 years of Tory austerity brought us? Stagnation of wages, the highest tax burden in over 70 years, 11 per cent inflation, a chancellor who forgot that the negotiated interest on government borrowing was about to come up and therefore we paid £5bn more than we needed, the outright corruption of the fast lane for PPE and Covid contracts, a cretinous prime minister and chancellor who cost at least £8bn (potentially £50bn) and yet it’s all Labours fault? Unbelievable
You sound a bit angry for someone with a liberal left-leaning outlook on life
You do switch to personal attacks when you lose the technical argument.
You always end up switching to personal attacks. Have you noticed?
Eh? Do keep up. The gentleman from Bristol has a self-declared 'liberal left-leaning outlook on life'. Why would he attack himself with those words?
Merely suggesting someone sounds 'a bit angry' is hardly a 'personal attack' and doesn't come close to some of your diatribes!
Who are you to decide that people are having a 'technical argument' and who has 'lost' it?
It's a forum where people discuss and debate. Some people's views won't align with yours. You must get over that and stop seeing everything as a big row that somebody must win. You almost certainly won't change the other person's mind, but that isn't really the goal. It's to discuss, debate and pass some fun spare time.
Some people seem to have inordinate amounts of time in their 'busy' days and post here every day. But having more time doesn't win a thread either!
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. Ha ha ha the same old cobblers you always churn out….so what has 12 years of Tory austerity brought us? Stagnation of wages, the highest tax burden in over 70 years, 11 per cent inflation, a chancellor who forgot that the negotiated interest on government borrowing was about to come up and therefore we paid £5bn more than we needed, the outright corruption of the fast lane for PPE and Covid contracts, a cretinous prime minister and chancellor who cost at least £8bn (potentially £50bn) and yet it’s all Labours fault? Unbelievable
You sound a bit angry for someone with a liberal left-leaning outlook on life
You do switch to personal attacks when you lose the technical argument.
You always end up switching to personal attacks. Have you noticed?
Eh? Do keep up. The gentleman from Bristol has a self-declared 'liberal left-leaning outlook on life'. Why would he attack himself with those words?
Merely suggesting someone sounds 'a bit angry' is hardly a 'personal attack' and doesn't come close to some of your diatribes!
Who are you to decide that people are having a 'technical argument' and who has 'lost' it?
It's a forum where people discuss and debate. Some people's views won't align with yours. You must get over that and stop seeing everything as a big row that somebody must win. You almost certainly won't change the other person's mind, but that isn't really the goal. It's to discuss, debate and pass some fun spare time.
Some people seem to have inordinate amounts of time in their 'busy' days and post here every day. But having more time doesn't win a thread either!
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. Ha ha ha the same old cobblers you always churn out….so what has 12 years of Tory austerity brought us? Stagnation of wages, the highest tax burden in over 70 years, 11 per cent inflation, a chancellor who forgot that the negotiated interest on government borrowing was about to come up and therefore we paid £5bn more than we needed, the outright corruption of the fast lane for PPE and Covid contracts, a cretinous prime minister and chancellor who cost at least £8bn (potentially £50bn) and yet it’s all Labours fault? Unbelievable
You sound a bit angry for someone with a liberal left-leaning outlook on life
You do switch to personal attacks when you lose the technical argument.
You always end up switching to personal attacks. Have you noticed?
Eh? Do keep up. The gentleman from Bristol has a self-declared 'liberal left-leaning outlook on life'. Why would he attack himself with those words?
Merely suggesting someone sounds 'a bit angry' is hardly a 'personal attack' and doesn't come close to some of your diatribes!
Who are you to decide that people are having a 'technical argument' and who has 'lost' it?
It's a forum where people discuss and debate. Some people's views won't align with yours. You must get over that and stop seeing everything as a big row that somebody must win. You almost certainly won't change the other person's mind, but that isn't really the goal. It's to discuss, debate and pass some fun spare time.
Some people seem to have inordinate amounts of time in their 'busy' days and post here every day. But having more time doesn't win a thread either!
. Your last paragraph makes a very interesting comment. A few posters seem to be constantly logged on. We do however live in a free society so they can spend their idle time as they choose . Luckily anything posted on here has zero impact in the real world. "Correct
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"You do switch to personal attacks when you lose the technical argument. You always end up switching to personal attacks. Have you noticed?" "Eh? Do keep up. The gentleman from Bristol has a self-declared 'liberal left-leaning outlook on life'. Why would he attack himself with those words? Merely suggesting someone sounds 'a bit angry' is hardly a 'personal attack' and doesn't come close to some of your diatribes! Who are you to decide that people are having a 'technical argument' and who has 'lost' it? It's a forum where people discuss and debate. Some people's views won't align with yours. You must get over that and stop seeing everything as a big row that somebody must win. You almost certainly won't change the other person's mind, but that isn't really the goal. It's to discuss, debate and pass some fun spare time. Some people seem to have inordinate amounts of time in their 'busy' days and post here every day. But having more time doesn't win a thread either! " "Sum total of useful information from that output = 0" Good example of someone switching to a personal attack having lost the argument. Thanks. | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. Ha ha ha the same old cobblers you always churn out….so what has 12 years of Tory austerity brought us? Stagnation of wages, the highest tax burden in over 70 years, 11 per cent inflation, a chancellor who forgot that the negotiated interest on government borrowing was about to come up and therefore we paid £5bn more than we needed, the outright corruption of the fast lane for PPE and Covid contracts, a cretinous prime minister and chancellor who cost at least £8bn (potentially £50bn) and yet it’s all Labours fault? Unbelievable
You sound a bit angry for someone with a liberal left-leaning outlook on life
You do switch to personal attacks when you lose the technical argument.
You always end up switching to personal attacks. Have you noticed?
Eh? Do keep up. The gentleman from Bristol has a self-declared 'liberal left-leaning outlook on life'. Why would he attack himself with those words?
Merely suggesting someone sounds 'a bit angry' is hardly a 'personal attack' and doesn't come close to some of your diatribes!
Who are you to decide that people are having a 'technical argument' and who has 'lost' it?
It's a forum where people discuss and debate. Some people's views won't align with yours. You must get over that and stop seeing everything as a big row that somebody must win. You almost certainly won't change the other person's mind, but that isn't really the goal. It's to discuss, debate and pass some fun spare time.
Some people seem to have inordinate amounts of time in their 'busy' days and post here every day. But having more time doesn't win a thread either!
. Your last paragraph makes a very interesting comment. A few posters seem to be constantly logged on. We do however live in a free society so they can spend their idle time as they choose . Luckily anything posted on here has zero impact in the real world.
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If they want they can idle away their time even more by duplicating daft comments about 'technical arguments' they believe they are engaged in.. "The irony of writing this at 01:00 in the morning is completely lost on you, isn't it?
On an, admittedly not very topical, thread on Brexit you have failed to identify any benefits of your parties greatest triumph, nor have you done anything more than find excuses for everything that has gone wrong under their Government over the last twelve years.
You will, of course, continue to vote for whatever failure is to come from the same party because you will find any reason, however tenuous, not to change.
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"You do switch to personal attacks when you lose the technical argument. You always end up switching to personal attacks. Have you noticed? Eh? Do keep up. The gentleman from Bristol has a self-declared 'liberal left-leaning outlook on life'. Why would he attack himself with those words? Merely suggesting someone sounds 'a bit angry' is hardly a 'personal attack' and doesn't come close to some of your diatribes! Who are you to decide that people are having a 'technical argument' and who has 'lost' it? It's a forum where people discuss and debate. Some people's views won't align with yours. You must get over that and stop seeing everything as a big row that somebody must win. You almost certainly won't change the other person's mind, but that isn't really the goal. It's to discuss, debate and pass some fun spare time. Some people seem to have inordinate amounts of time in their 'busy' days and post here every day. But having more time doesn't win a thread either! Sum total of useful information from that output = 0 Good example of someone switching to a personal attack having lost the argument. Thanks." Excellent contribution as always, although no information was added about Brexit or Government success over 12 years. Thanks | |||
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"12 years of doing fuck all and right whingers blame everything around them except themselves, have the balls admit your social experiment failed and exit to the political wilderness until you are ready to find a new hook to bait everyone with." I should have thought dealing with a worldwide pandemic with the generous furlough scheme, fastest vaccines, getting Brexit done, supporting Ukraine and generally trying to clear up the mess left by Labour in 2010, was enough to exercise any Govt in the world, on top of the BAU stuff | |||
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"12 years of doing fuck all and right whingers blame everything around them except themselves, have the balls admit your social experiment failed and exit to the political wilderness until you are ready to find a new hook to bait everyone with. I should have thought dealing with a worldwide pandemic with the generous furlough scheme, fastest vaccines, getting Brexit done, supporting Ukraine and generally trying to clear up the mess left by Labour in 2010, was enough to exercise any Govt in the world, on top of the BAU stuff "We have had a Tory government for the last 12 years | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. Ha ha ha the same old cobblers you always churn out….so what has 12 years of Tory austerity brought us? Stagnation of wages, the highest tax burden in over 70 years, 11 per cent inflation, a chancellor who forgot that the negotiated interest on government borrowing was about to come up and therefore we paid £5bn more than we needed, the outright corruption of the fast lane for PPE and Covid contracts, a cretinous prime minister and chancellor who cost at least £8bn (potentially £50bn) and yet it’s all Labours fault? Unbelievable
You sound a bit angry for someone with a liberal left-leaning outlook on life
You do switch to personal attacks when you lose the technical argument.
You always end up switching to personal attacks. Have you noticed?
Eh? Do keep up. The gentleman from Bristol has a self-declared 'liberal left-leaning outlook on life'. Why would he attack himself with those words?
Merely suggesting someone sounds 'a bit angry' is hardly a 'personal attack' and doesn't come close to some of your diatribes!
Who are you to decide that people are having a 'technical argument' and who has 'lost' it?
It's a forum where people discuss and debate. Some people's views won't align with yours. You must get over that and stop seeing everything as a big row that somebody must win. You almost certainly won't change the other person's mind, but that isn't really the goal. It's to discuss, debate and pass some fun spare time.
Some people seem to have inordinate amounts of time in their 'busy' days and post here every day. But having more time doesn't win a thread either!
. Your last paragraph makes a very interesting comment. A few posters seem to be constantly logged on. We do however live in a free society so they can spend their idle time as they choose . Luckily anything posted on here has zero impact in the real world.
Correct
If they want they can idle away their time even more by duplicating daft comments about 'technical arguments' they believe they are engaged in..
The irony of writing this at 01:00 in the morning is completely lost on you, isn't it?
On an, admittedly not very topical, thread on Brexit you have failed to identify any benefits of your parties greatest triumph, nor have you done anything more than find excuses for everything that has gone wrong under their Government over the last twelve years.
You will, of course, continue to vote for whatever failure is to come from the same party because you will find any reason, however tenuous, not to change.
That's up to you, but don't bully people in the process."I have no time in the busy working day to be telling others off at 9.30am, about posting just after midnight! More evidence of you believing everyone else should be bullied into thinking and acting like you. Perhaps you should recommend to Admin that people can only post between 9am and 5pm? Time spent here is more telling and you appear to be able to post at will throughout the working day far more extensively than my job allows! | |||
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"You do switch to personal attacks when you lose the technical argument. You always end up switching to personal attacks. Have you noticed? Eh? Do keep up. The gentleman from Bristol has a self-declared 'liberal left-leaning outlook on life'. Why would he attack himself with those words? Merely suggesting someone sounds 'a bit angry' is hardly a 'personal attack' and doesn't come close to some of your diatribes! Who are you to decide that people are having a 'technical argument' and who has 'lost' it? It's a forum where people discuss and debate. Some people's views won't align with yours. You must get over that and stop seeing everything as a big row that somebody must win. You almost certainly won't change the other person's mind, but that isn't really the goal. It's to discuss, debate and pass some fun spare time. Some people seem to have inordinate amounts of time in their 'busy' days and post here every day. But having more time doesn't win a thread either! Sum total of useful information from that output = 0 Good example of someone switching to a personal attack having lost the argument. Thanks." He is proficient at accusing someone else of a fault which he regularly displays. Example elsewhere, he refers to me as 'Pat' which is not my name and apparently someone else elsewhere in the UK, and then when I understandably query this, he accuses me of a 'personal attack'! He denies all faults in himself and attributes them to others! | |||
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"12 years of doing fuck all and right whingers blame everything around them except themselves, have the balls admit your social experiment failed and exit to the political wilderness until you are ready to find a new hook to bait everyone with. I should have thought dealing with a worldwide pandemic with the generous furlough scheme, fastest vaccines, getting Brexit done, supporting Ukraine and generally trying to clear up the mess left by Labour in 2010, was enough to exercise any Govt in the world, on top of the BAU stuff "1. What was the “mess left by Labour in 2010”? Please explain with verifiable details rather than subjective opinion. Don’t forget the exogenous circumstances of a global financial meltdown. 2. Everything else you listed is from March 2020 onwards. So what were they doing for the other 10(ish) years? | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. Ha ha ha the same old cobblers you always churn out….so what has 12 years of Tory austerity brought us? Stagnation of wages, the highest tax burden in over 70 years, 11 per cent inflation, a chancellor who forgot that the negotiated interest on government borrowing was about to come up and therefore we paid £5bn more than we needed, the outright corruption of the fast lane for PPE and Covid contracts, a cretinous prime minister and chancellor who cost at least £8bn (potentially £50bn) and yet it’s all Labours fault? Unbelievable
You sound a bit angry for someone with a liberal left-leaning outlook on life
You do switch to personal attacks when you lose the technical argument.
You always end up switching to personal attacks. Have you noticed?
Eh? Do keep up. The gentleman from Bristol has a self-declared 'liberal left-leaning outlook on life'. Why would he attack himself with those words?
Merely suggesting someone sounds 'a bit angry' is hardly a 'personal attack' and doesn't come close to some of your diatribes!
Who are you to decide that people are having a 'technical argument' and who has 'lost' it?
It's a forum where people discuss and debate. Some people's views won't align with yours. You must get over that and stop seeing everything as a big row that somebody must win. You almost certainly won't change the other person's mind, but that isn't really the goal. It's to discuss, debate and pass some fun spare time.
Some people seem to have inordinate amounts of time in their 'busy' days and post here every day. But having more time doesn't win a thread either!
. Your last paragraph makes a very interesting comment. A few posters seem to be constantly logged on. We do however live in a free society so they can spend their idle time as they choose . Luckily anything posted on here has zero impact in the real world.
Correct
If they want they can idle away their time even more by duplicating daft comments about 'technical arguments' they believe they are engaged in..
The irony of writing this at 01:00 in the morning is completely lost on you, isn't it?
On an, admittedly not very topical, thread on Brexit you have failed to identify any benefits of your parties greatest triumph, nor have you done anything more than find excuses for everything that has gone wrong under their Government over the last twelve years.
You will, of course, continue to vote for whatever failure is to come from the same party because you will find any reason, however tenuous, not to change.
That's up to you, but don't bully people in the process.
I have no time in the busy working day to be telling others off at 9.30am, about posting just after midnight! More evidence of you believing everyone else should be bullied into thinking and acting like you. Perhaps you should recommend to Admin that people can only post between 9am and 5pm?
Time spent here is more telling and you appear to be able to post at will throughout the working day far more extensively than my job allows!
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. Ha ha ha the same old cobblers you always churn out….so what has 12 years of Tory austerity brought us? Stagnation of wages, the highest tax burden in over 70 years, 11 per cent inflation, a chancellor who forgot that the negotiated interest on government borrowing was about to come up and therefore we paid £5bn more than we needed, the outright corruption of the fast lane for PPE and Covid contracts, a cretinous prime minister and chancellor who cost at least £8bn (potentially £50bn) and yet it’s all Labours fault? Unbelievable
You sound a bit angry for someone with a liberal left-leaning outlook on life
You do switch to personal attacks when you lose the technical argument.
You always end up switching to personal attacks. Have you noticed?
Eh? Do keep up. The gentleman from Bristol has a self-declared 'liberal left-leaning outlook on life'. Why would he attack himself with those words?
Merely suggesting someone sounds 'a bit angry' is hardly a 'personal attack' and doesn't come close to some of your diatribes!
Who are you to decide that people are having a 'technical argument' and who has 'lost' it?
It's a forum where people discuss and debate. Some people's views won't align with yours. You must get over that and stop seeing everything as a big row that somebody must win. You almost certainly won't change the other person's mind, but that isn't really the goal. It's to discuss, debate and pass some fun spare time.
Some people seem to have inordinate amounts of time in their 'busy' days and post here every day. But having more time doesn't win a thread either!
. Your last paragraph makes a very interesting comment. A few posters seem to be constantly logged on. We do however live in a free society so they can spend their idle time as they choose . Luckily anything posted on here has zero impact in the real world.
Correct
If they want they can idle away their time even more by duplicating daft comments about 'technical arguments' they believe they are engaged in..
The irony of writing this at 01:00 in the morning is completely lost on you, isn't it?
On an, admittedly not very topical, thread on Brexit you have failed to identify any benefits of your parties greatest triumph, nor have you done anything more than find excuses for everything that has gone wrong under their Government over the last twelve years.
You will, of course, continue to vote for whatever failure is to come from the same party because you will find any reason, however tenuous, not to change.
That's up to you, but don't bully people in the process.
I have no time in the busy working day to be telling others off at 9.30am, about posting just after midnight! More evidence of you believing everyone else should be bullied into thinking and acting like you. Perhaps you should recommend to Admin that people can only post between 9am and 5pm?
Time spent here is more telling and you appear to be able to post at will throughout the working day far more extensively than my job allows!
You have found plenty of time to write a great deal of not much note.
Any information on the success of Brexit, this Government's flagship policy?
Any other improvements in our lives over the last twelve years?"No Brexit successes BECAUSE of the govt. The Tory govts failures over the last 12 years aren't down to brexit. How do you suppose the likely Labour govt will deal with the same issues and deliver on Brexit and if they don't, then what? | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. Ha ha ha the same old cobblers you always churn out….so what has 12 years of Tory austerity brought us? Stagnation of wages, the highest tax burden in over 70 years, 11 per cent inflation, a chancellor who forgot that the negotiated interest on government borrowing was about to come up and therefore we paid £5bn more than we needed, the outright corruption of the fast lane for PPE and Covid contracts, a cretinous prime minister and chancellor who cost at least £8bn (potentially £50bn) and yet it’s all Labours fault? Unbelievable
You sound a bit angry for someone with a liberal left-leaning outlook on life
You do switch to personal attacks when you lose the technical argument.
You always end up switching to personal attacks. Have you noticed?
Eh? Do keep up. The gentleman from Bristol has a self-declared 'liberal left-leaning outlook on life'. Why would he attack himself with those words?
Merely suggesting someone sounds 'a bit angry' is hardly a 'personal attack' and doesn't come close to some of your diatribes!
Who are you to decide that people are having a 'technical argument' and who has 'lost' it?
It's a forum where people discuss and debate. Some people's views won't align with yours. You must get over that and stop seeing everything as a big row that somebody must win. You almost certainly won't change the other person's mind, but that isn't really the goal. It's to discuss, debate and pass some fun spare time.
Some people seem to have inordinate amounts of time in their 'busy' days and post here every day. But having more time doesn't win a thread either!
. Your last paragraph makes a very interesting comment. A few posters seem to be constantly logged on. We do however live in a free society so they can spend their idle time as they choose . Luckily anything posted on here has zero impact in the real world.
Correct
If they want they can idle away their time even more by duplicating daft comments about 'technical arguments' they believe they are engaged in..
The irony of writing this at 01:00 in the morning is completely lost on you, isn't it?
On an, admittedly not very topical, thread on Brexit you have failed to identify any benefits of your parties greatest triumph, nor have you done anything more than find excuses for everything that has gone wrong under their Government over the last twelve years.
You will, of course, continue to vote for whatever failure is to come from the same party because you will find any reason, however tenuous, not to change.
That's up to you, but don't bully people in the process.
I have no time in the busy working day to be telling others off at 9.30am, about posting just after midnight! More evidence of you believing everyone else should be bullied into thinking and acting like you. Perhaps you should recommend to Admin that people can only post between 9am and 5pm?
Time spent here is more telling and you appear to be able to post at will throughout the working day far more extensively than my job allows!
You have found plenty of time to write a great deal of not much note.
Any information on the success of Brexit, this Government's flagship policy?
Any other improvements in our lives over the last twelve years?
No Brexit successes BECAUSE of the govt. The Tory govts failures over the last 12 years aren't down to brexit. How do you suppose the likely Labour govt will deal with the same issues and deliver on Brexit and if they don't, then what? "Labour said they would stick with the Brexit clusterfuck. They're too afraid to talk about how they would mitigate against the ongoing damage it's causing. Too worried they'd lose votes, so they have to pretend it was a good idea to leave the EU. | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. Ha ha ha the same old cobblers you always churn out….so what has 12 years of Tory austerity brought us? Stagnation of wages, the highest tax burden in over 70 years, 11 per cent inflation, a chancellor who forgot that the negotiated interest on government borrowing was about to come up and therefore we paid £5bn more than we needed, the outright corruption of the fast lane for PPE and Covid contracts, a cretinous prime minister and chancellor who cost at least £8bn (potentially £50bn) and yet it’s all Labours fault? Unbelievable
You sound a bit angry for someone with a liberal left-leaning outlook on life
You do switch to personal attacks when you lose the technical argument.
You always end up switching to personal attacks. Have you noticed?
Eh? Do keep up. The gentleman from Bristol has a self-declared 'liberal left-leaning outlook on life'. Why would he attack himself with those words?
Merely suggesting someone sounds 'a bit angry' is hardly a 'personal attack' and doesn't come close to some of your diatribes!
Who are you to decide that people are having a 'technical argument' and who has 'lost' it?
It's a forum where people discuss and debate. Some people's views won't align with yours. You must get over that and stop seeing everything as a big row that somebody must win. You almost certainly won't change the other person's mind, but that isn't really the goal. It's to discuss, debate and pass some fun spare time.
Some people seem to have inordinate amounts of time in their 'busy' days and post here every day. But having more time doesn't win a thread either!
. Your last paragraph makes a very interesting comment. A few posters seem to be constantly logged on. We do however live in a free society so they can spend their idle time as they choose . Luckily anything posted on here has zero impact in the real world.
Correct
If they want they can idle away their time even more by duplicating daft comments about 'technical arguments' they believe they are engaged in..
The irony of writing this at 01:00 in the morning is completely lost on you, isn't it?
On an, admittedly not very topical, thread on Brexit you have failed to identify any benefits of your parties greatest triumph, nor have you done anything more than find excuses for everything that has gone wrong under their Government over the last twelve years.
You will, of course, continue to vote for whatever failure is to come from the same party because you will find any reason, however tenuous, not to change.
That's up to you, but don't bully people in the process.
I have no time in the busy working day to be telling others off at 9.30am, about posting just after midnight! More evidence of you believing everyone else should be bullied into thinking and acting like you. Perhaps you should recommend to Admin that people can only post between 9am and 5pm?
Time spent here is more telling and you appear to be able to post at will throughout the working day far more extensively than my job allows!
You have found plenty of time to write a great deal of not much note.
Any information on the success of Brexit, this Government's flagship policy?
Any other improvements in our lives over the last twelve years?
No Brexit successes BECAUSE of the govt. The Tory govts failures over the last 12 years aren't down to brexit. How do you suppose the likely Labour govt will deal with the same issues and deliver on Brexit and if they don't, then what?
Labour said they would stick with the Brexit clusterfuck. They're too afraid to talk about how they would mitigate against the ongoing damage it's causing. Too worried they'd lose votes, so they have to pretend it was a good idea to leave the EU."Maybe, just maybe, they might get it to work? | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. Ha ha ha the same old cobblers you always churn out….so what has 12 years of Tory austerity brought us? Stagnation of wages, the highest tax burden in over 70 years, 11 per cent inflation, a chancellor who forgot that the negotiated interest on government borrowing was about to come up and therefore we paid £5bn more than we needed, the outright corruption of the fast lane for PPE and Covid contracts, a cretinous prime minister and chancellor who cost at least £8bn (potentially £50bn) and yet it’s all Labours fault? Unbelievable
You sound a bit angry for someone with a liberal left-leaning outlook on life
You do switch to personal attacks when you lose the technical argument.
You always end up switching to personal attacks. Have you noticed?
Eh? Do keep up. The gentleman from Bristol has a self-declared 'liberal left-leaning outlook on life'. Why would he attack himself with those words?
Merely suggesting someone sounds 'a bit angry' is hardly a 'personal attack' and doesn't come close to some of your diatribes!
Who are you to decide that people are having a 'technical argument' and who has 'lost' it?
It's a forum where people discuss and debate. Some people's views won't align with yours. You must get over that and stop seeing everything as a big row that somebody must win. You almost certainly won't change the other person's mind, but that isn't really the goal. It's to discuss, debate and pass some fun spare time.
Some people seem to have inordinate amounts of time in their 'busy' days and post here every day. But having more time doesn't win a thread either!
. Your last paragraph makes a very interesting comment. A few posters seem to be constantly logged on. We do however live in a free society so they can spend their idle time as they choose . Luckily anything posted on here has zero impact in the real world.
Correct
If they want they can idle away their time even more by duplicating daft comments about 'technical arguments' they believe they are engaged in..
The irony of writing this at 01:00 in the morning is completely lost on you, isn't it?
On an, admittedly not very topical, thread on Brexit you have failed to identify any benefits of your parties greatest triumph, nor have you done anything more than find excuses for everything that has gone wrong under their Government over the last twelve years.
You will, of course, continue to vote for whatever failure is to come from the same party because you will find any reason, however tenuous, not to change.
That's up to you, but don't bully people in the process.
I have no time in the busy working day to be telling others off at 9.30am, about posting just after midnight! More evidence of you believing everyone else should be bullied into thinking and acting like you. Perhaps you should recommend to Admin that people can only post between 9am and 5pm?
Time spent here is more telling and you appear to be able to post at will throughout the working day far more extensively than my job allows!
You have found plenty of time to write a great deal of not much note.
Any information on the success of Brexit, this Government's flagship policy?
Any other improvements in our lives over the last twelve years?
No Brexit successes BECAUSE of the govt. The Tory govts failures over the last 12 years aren't down to brexit. How do you suppose the likely Labour govt will deal with the same issues and deliver on Brexit and if they don't, then what?
Labour said they would stick with the Brexit clusterfuck. They're too afraid to talk about how they would mitigate against the ongoing damage it's causing. Too worried they'd lose votes, so they have to pretend it was a good idea to leave the EU.
Maybe, just maybe, they might get it to work?"Work for the UK and British people? How would any party be able to do that? | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. Ha ha ha the same old cobblers you always churn out….so what has 12 years of Tory austerity brought us? Stagnation of wages, the highest tax burden in over 70 years, 11 per cent inflation, a chancellor who forgot that the negotiated interest on government borrowing was about to come up and therefore we paid £5bn more than we needed, the outright corruption of the fast lane for PPE and Covid contracts, a cretinous prime minister and chancellor who cost at least £8bn (potentially £50bn) and yet it’s all Labours fault? Unbelievable
You sound a bit angry for someone with a liberal left-leaning outlook on life
You do switch to personal attacks when you lose the technical argument.
You always end up switching to personal attacks. Have you noticed?
Eh? Do keep up. The gentleman from Bristol has a self-declared 'liberal left-leaning outlook on life'. Why would he attack himself with those words?
Merely suggesting someone sounds 'a bit angry' is hardly a 'personal attack' and doesn't come close to some of your diatribes!
Who are you to decide that people are having a 'technical argument' and who has 'lost' it?
It's a forum where people discuss and debate. Some people's views won't align with yours. You must get over that and stop seeing everything as a big row that somebody must win. You almost certainly won't change the other person's mind, but that isn't really the goal. It's to discuss, debate and pass some fun spare time.
Some people seem to have inordinate amounts of time in their 'busy' days and post here every day. But having more time doesn't win a thread either!
. Your last paragraph makes a very interesting comment. A few posters seem to be constantly logged on. We do however live in a free society so they can spend their idle time as they choose . Luckily anything posted on here has zero impact in the real world.
Correct
If they want they can idle away their time even more by duplicating daft comments about 'technical arguments' they believe they are engaged in..
The irony of writing this at 01:00 in the morning is completely lost on you, isn't it?
On an, admittedly not very topical, thread on Brexit you have failed to identify any benefits of your parties greatest triumph, nor have you done anything more than find excuses for everything that has gone wrong under their Government over the last twelve years.
You will, of course, continue to vote for whatever failure is to come from the same party because you will find any reason, however tenuous, not to change.
That's up to you, but don't bully people in the process.
I have no time in the busy working day to be telling others off at 9.30am, about posting just after midnight! More evidence of you believing everyone else should be bullied into thinking and acting like you. Perhaps you should recommend to Admin that people can only post between 9am and 5pm?
Time spent here is more telling and you appear to be able to post at will throughout the working day far more extensively than my job allows!
You have found plenty of time to write a great deal of not much note.
Any information on the success of Brexit, this Government's flagship policy?
Any other improvements in our lives over the last twelve years?
No Brexit successes BECAUSE of the govt. The Tory govts failures over the last 12 years aren't down to brexit. How do you suppose the likely Labour govt will deal with the same issues and deliver on Brexit and if they don't, then what?
Labour said they would stick with the Brexit clusterfuck. They're too afraid to talk about how they would mitigate against the ongoing damage it's causing. Too worried they'd lose votes, so they have to pretend it was a good idea to leave the EU.
Maybe, just maybe, they might get it to work?
Work for the UK and British people?
How would any party be able to do that?
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. Ha ha ha the same old cobblers you always churn out….so what has 12 years of Tory austerity brought us? Stagnation of wages, the highest tax burden in over 70 years, 11 per cent inflation, a chancellor who forgot that the negotiated interest on government borrowing was about to come up and therefore we paid £5bn more than we needed, the outright corruption of the fast lane for PPE and Covid contracts, a cretinous prime minister and chancellor who cost at least £8bn (potentially £50bn) and yet it’s all Labours fault? Unbelievable
You sound a bit angry for someone with a liberal left-leaning outlook on life
You do switch to personal attacks when you lose the technical argument.
You always end up switching to personal attacks. Have you noticed?
Eh? Do keep up. The gentleman from Bristol has a self-declared 'liberal left-leaning outlook on life'. Why would he attack himself with those words?
Merely suggesting someone sounds 'a bit angry' is hardly a 'personal attack' and doesn't come close to some of your diatribes!
Who are you to decide that people are having a 'technical argument' and who has 'lost' it?
It's a forum where people discuss and debate. Some people's views won't align with yours. You must get over that and stop seeing everything as a big row that somebody must win. You almost certainly won't change the other person's mind, but that isn't really the goal. It's to discuss, debate and pass some fun spare time.
Some people seem to have inordinate amounts of time in their 'busy' days and post here every day. But having more time doesn't win a thread either!
. Your last paragraph makes a very interesting comment. A few posters seem to be constantly logged on. We do however live in a free society so they can spend their idle time as they choose . Luckily anything posted on here has zero impact in the real world.
Correct
If they want they can idle away their time even more by duplicating daft comments about 'technical arguments' they believe they are engaged in..
The irony of writing this at 01:00 in the morning is completely lost on you, isn't it?
On an, admittedly not very topical, thread on Brexit you have failed to identify any benefits of your parties greatest triumph, nor have you done anything more than find excuses for everything that has gone wrong under their Government over the last twelve years.
You will, of course, continue to vote for whatever failure is to come from the same party because you will find any reason, however tenuous, not to change.
That's up to you, but don't bully people in the process.
I have no time in the busy working day to be telling others off at 9.30am, about posting just after midnight! More evidence of you believing everyone else should be bullied into thinking and acting like you. Perhaps you should recommend to Admin that people can only post between 9am and 5pm?
Time spent here is more telling and you appear to be able to post at will throughout the working day far more extensively than my job allows!
You have found plenty of time to write a great deal of not much note.
Any information on the success of Brexit, this Government's flagship policy?
Any other improvements in our lives over the last twelve years?
No Brexit successes BECAUSE of the govt. The Tory govts failures over the last 12 years aren't down to brexit. How do you suppose the likely Labour govt will deal with the same issues and deliver on Brexit and if they don't, then what?
Labour said they would stick with the Brexit clusterfuck. They're too afraid to talk about how they would mitigate against the ongoing damage it's causing. Too worried they'd lose votes, so they have to pretend it was a good idea to leave the EU."I’m waiting for someone to wake up to EURP. European Union Rejoin Party. (It’s the best I could think of) At some point in the not to distant future, those that wanted to remain will far outnumber those that wanted to leave, call it natural attrition. They will need a party to lean into, that the big 2 won’t provide through fear. The big 2 will see the swing and bingo. It feels so obvious as an outcome | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. Ha ha ha the same old cobblers you always churn out….so what has 12 years of Tory austerity brought us? Stagnation of wages, the highest tax burden in over 70 years, 11 per cent inflation, a chancellor who forgot that the negotiated interest on government borrowing was about to come up and therefore we paid £5bn more than we needed, the outright corruption of the fast lane for PPE and Covid contracts, a cretinous prime minister and chancellor who cost at least £8bn (potentially £50bn) and yet it’s all Labours fault? Unbelievable
You sound a bit angry for someone with a liberal left-leaning outlook on life
You do switch to personal attacks when you lose the technical argument.
You always end up switching to personal attacks. Have you noticed?
Eh? Do keep up. The gentleman from Bristol has a self-declared 'liberal left-leaning outlook on life'. Why would he attack himself with those words?
Merely suggesting someone sounds 'a bit angry' is hardly a 'personal attack' and doesn't come close to some of your diatribes!
Who are you to decide that people are having a 'technical argument' and who has 'lost' it?
It's a forum where people discuss and debate. Some people's views won't align with yours. You must get over that and stop seeing everything as a big row that somebody must win. You almost certainly won't change the other person's mind, but that isn't really the goal. It's to discuss, debate and pass some fun spare time.
Some people seem to have inordinate amounts of time in their 'busy' days and post here every day. But having more time doesn't win a thread either!
. Your last paragraph makes a very interesting comment. A few posters seem to be constantly logged on. We do however live in a free society so they can spend their idle time as they choose . Luckily anything posted on here has zero impact in the real world.
Correct
If they want they can idle away their time even more by duplicating daft comments about 'technical arguments' they believe they are engaged in..
The irony of writing this at 01:00 in the morning is completely lost on you, isn't it?
On an, admittedly not very topical, thread on Brexit you have failed to identify any benefits of your parties greatest triumph, nor have you done anything more than find excuses for everything that has gone wrong under their Government over the last twelve years.
You will, of course, continue to vote for whatever failure is to come from the same party because you will find any reason, however tenuous, not to change.
That's up to you, but don't bully people in the process.
I have no time in the busy working day to be telling others off at 9.30am, about posting just after midnight! More evidence of you believing everyone else should be bullied into thinking and acting like you. Perhaps you should recommend to Admin that people can only post between 9am and 5pm?
Time spent here is more telling and you appear to be able to post at will throughout the working day far more extensively than my job allows!
You have found plenty of time to write a great deal of not much note.
Any information on the success of Brexit, this Government's flagship policy?
Any other improvements in our lives over the last twelve years?
No Brexit successes BECAUSE of the govt. The Tory govts failures over the last 12 years aren't down to brexit. How do you suppose the likely Labour govt will deal with the same issues and deliver on Brexit and if they don't, then what?
Labour said they would stick with the Brexit clusterfuck. They're too afraid to talk about how they would mitigate against the ongoing damage it's causing. Too worried they'd lose votes, so they have to pretend it was a good idea to leave the EU.
I’m waiting for someone to wake up to EURP. European Union Rejoin Party. (It’s the best I could think of)
At some point in the not to distant future, those that wanted to remain will far outnumber those that wanted to leave, call it natural attrition.
They will need a party to lean into, that the big 2 won’t provide through fear. The big 2 will see the swing and bingo.
It feels so obvious as an outcome"And tomorrows lottery number are??? | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. Ha ha ha the same old cobblers you always churn out….so what has 12 years of Tory austerity brought us? Stagnation of wages, the highest tax burden in over 70 years, 11 per cent inflation, a chancellor who forgot that the negotiated interest on government borrowing was about to come up and therefore we paid £5bn more than we needed, the outright corruption of the fast lane for PPE and Covid contracts, a cretinous prime minister and chancellor who cost at least £8bn (potentially £50bn) and yet it’s all Labours fault? Unbelievable
You sound a bit angry for someone with a liberal left-leaning outlook on life
You do switch to personal attacks when you lose the technical argument.
You always end up switching to personal attacks. Have you noticed?
Eh? Do keep up. The gentleman from Bristol has a self-declared 'liberal left-leaning outlook on life'. Why would he attack himself with those words?
Merely suggesting someone sounds 'a bit angry' is hardly a 'personal attack' and doesn't come close to some of your diatribes!
Who are you to decide that people are having a 'technical argument' and who has 'lost' it?
It's a forum where people discuss and debate. Some people's views won't align with yours. You must get over that and stop seeing everything as a big row that somebody must win. You almost certainly won't change the other person's mind, but that isn't really the goal. It's to discuss, debate and pass some fun spare time.
Some people seem to have inordinate amounts of time in their 'busy' days and post here every day. But having more time doesn't win a thread either!
. Your last paragraph makes a very interesting comment. A few posters seem to be constantly logged on. We do however live in a free society so they can spend their idle time as they choose . Luckily anything posted on here has zero impact in the real world.
Correct
If they want they can idle away their time even more by duplicating daft comments about 'technical arguments' they believe they are engaged in..
The irony of writing this at 01:00 in the morning is completely lost on you, isn't it?
On an, admittedly not very topical, thread on Brexit you have failed to identify any benefits of your parties greatest triumph, nor have you done anything more than find excuses for everything that has gone wrong under their Government over the last twelve years.
You will, of course, continue to vote for whatever failure is to come from the same party because you will find any reason, however tenuous, not to change.
That's up to you, but don't bully people in the process.
I have no time in the busy working day to be telling others off at 9.30am, about posting just after midnight! More evidence of you believing everyone else should be bullied into thinking and acting like you. Perhaps you should recommend to Admin that people can only post between 9am and 5pm?
Time spent here is more telling and you appear to be able to post at will throughout the working day far more extensively than my job allows!
You have found plenty of time to write a great deal of not much note.
Any information on the success of Brexit, this Government's flagship policy?
Any other improvements in our lives over the last twelve years?"You find plenty more time than me to write a great deal more of less note than me - and at least I take a break every now and then. When you can't even be bothered to differentiate between me and 'Pat', I will not, as set out elsewhere, respond to you on Brexit or the last 12 years etc. I mean, do you deal with correspondence that's not addressed to you? | |||
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"Labour said they would stick with the Brexit clusterfuck. They're too afraid to talk about how they would mitigate against the ongoing damage it's causing. Too worried they'd lose votes, so they have to pretend it was a good idea to leave the EU. I’m waiting for someone to wake up to EURP. European Union Rejoin Party. (It’s the best I could think of) At some point in the not to distant future, those that wanted to remain will far outnumber those that wanted to leave, call it natural attrition. They will need a party to lean into, that the big 2 won’t provide through fear. The big 2 will see the swing and bingo. It feels so obvious as an outcome And tomorrows lottery number are???" I’ve cut the post down for ease of reading. Do you think what I’ve suggested is far fetched? | |||
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"Labour said they would stick with the Brexit clusterfuck. They're too afraid to talk about how they would mitigate against the ongoing damage it's causing. Too worried they'd lose votes, so they have to pretend it was a good idea to leave the EU. I’m waiting for someone to wake up to EURP. European Union Rejoin Party. (It’s the best I could think of) At some point in the not to distant future, those that wanted to remain will far outnumber those that wanted to leave, call it natural attrition. They will need a party to lean into, that the big 2 won’t provide through fear. The big 2 will see the swing and bingo. It feels so obvious as an outcome And tomorrows lottery number are??? I’ve cut the post down for ease of reading. Do you think what I’ve suggested is far fetched?" Of course it isn't. These things are cyclical. To older people, it doesn't seem 5 mins since we were being encouraged into the EEC in the mid 70s and then in the mid 10s we're out again! So what you're saying is not far fetched but there'll be a similar gap of several decades. As Keir Starmer realises. Hence his latest 'Make Brexit Work' approach | |||
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"Labour said they would stick with the Brexit clusterfuck. They're too afraid to talk about how they would mitigate against the ongoing damage it's causing. Too worried they'd lose votes, so they have to pretend it was a good idea to leave the EU. I’m waiting for someone to wake up to EURP. European Union Rejoin Party. (It’s the best I could think of) At some point in the not to distant future, those that wanted to remain will far outnumber those that wanted to leave, call it natural attrition. They will need a party to lean into, that the big 2 won’t provide through fear. The big 2 will see the swing and bingo. It feels so obvious as an outcome And tomorrows lottery number are??? I’ve cut the post down for ease of reading. Do you think what I’ve suggested is far fetched?" So a reverse scenario of UKIP I assume you mean. I think there already is a rejoin party. I don't know but assume they will stand at the next GE | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. Ha ha ha the same old cobblers you always churn out….so what has 12 years of Tory austerity brought us? Stagnation of wages, the highest tax burden in over 70 years, 11 per cent inflation, a chancellor who forgot that the negotiated interest on government borrowing was about to come up and therefore we paid £5bn more than we needed, the outright corruption of the fast lane for PPE and Covid contracts, a cretinous prime minister and chancellor who cost at least £8bn (potentially £50bn) and yet it’s all Labours fault? Unbelievable
You sound a bit angry for someone with a liberal left-leaning outlook on life
You do switch to personal attacks when you lose the technical argument.
You always end up switching to personal attacks. Have you noticed?
Eh? Do keep up. The gentleman from Bristol has a self-declared 'liberal left-leaning outlook on life'. Why would he attack himself with those words?
Merely suggesting someone sounds 'a bit angry' is hardly a 'personal attack' and doesn't come close to some of your diatribes!
Who are you to decide that people are having a 'technical argument' and who has 'lost' it?
It's a forum where people discuss and debate. Some people's views won't align with yours. You must get over that and stop seeing everything as a big row that somebody must win. You almost certainly won't change the other person's mind, but that isn't really the goal. It's to discuss, debate and pass some fun spare time.
Some people seem to have inordinate amounts of time in their 'busy' days and post here every day. But having more time doesn't win a thread either!
. Your last paragraph makes a very interesting comment. A few posters seem to be constantly logged on. We do however live in a free society so they can spend their idle time as they choose . Luckily anything posted on here has zero impact in the real world.
Correct
If they want they can idle away their time even more by duplicating daft comments about 'technical arguments' they believe they are engaged in..
The irony of writing this at 01:00 in the morning is completely lost on you, isn't it?
On an, admittedly not very topical, thread on Brexit you have failed to identify any benefits of your parties greatest triumph, nor have you done anything more than find excuses for everything that has gone wrong under their Government over the last twelve years.
You will, of course, continue to vote for whatever failure is to come from the same party because you will find any reason, however tenuous, not to change.
That's up to you, but don't bully people in the process.
I have no time in the busy working day to be telling others off at 9.30am, about posting just after midnight! More evidence of you believing everyone else should be bullied into thinking and acting like you. Perhaps you should recommend to Admin that people can only post between 9am and 5pm?
Time spent here is more telling and you appear to be able to post at will throughout the working day far more extensively than my job allows!
You have found plenty of time to write a great deal of not much note.
Any information on the success of Brexit, this Government's flagship policy?
Any other improvements in our lives over the last twelve years?
No Brexit successes BECAUSE of the govt. The Tory govts failures over the last 12 years aren't down to brexit. How do you suppose the likely Labour govt will deal with the same issues and deliver on Brexit and if they don't, then what?
Labour said they would stick with the Brexit clusterfuck. They're too afraid to talk about how they would mitigate against the ongoing damage it's causing. Too worried they'd lose votes, so they have to pretend it was a good idea to leave the EU.
Maybe, just maybe, they might get it to work?
Work for the UK and British people?
How would any party be able to do that?
Never with that attitude"What attitude would enable a political party to make brexit work for the UK and British people? | |||
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"Labour said they would stick with the Brexit clusterfuck. They're too afraid to talk about how they would mitigate against the ongoing damage it's causing. Too worried they'd lose votes, so they have to pretend it was a good idea to leave the EU. I’m waiting for someone to wake up to EURP. European Union Rejoin Party. (It’s the best I could think of) At some point in the not to distant future, those that wanted to remain will far outnumber those that wanted to leave, call it natural attrition. They will need a party to lean into, that the big 2 won’t provide through fear. The big 2 will see the swing and bingo. It feels so obvious as an outcome And tomorrows lottery number are??? I’ve cut the post down for ease of reading. Do you think what I’ve suggested is far fetched? Of course it isn't. These things are cyclical. To older people, it doesn't seem 5 mins since we were being encouraged into the EEC in the mid 70s and then in the mid 10s we're out again! So what you're saying is not far fetched but there'll be a similar gap of several decades. As Keir Starmer realises. Hence his latest 'Make Brexit Work' approach " I agree. Rejoining anytime soon isn't going to happen. What we need is a political party that can face up to the clusterfuck brexit created and work to limit the damage. | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. Ha ha ha the same old cobblers you always churn out….so what has 12 years of Tory austerity brought us? Stagnation of wages, the highest tax burden in over 70 years, 11 per cent inflation, a chancellor who forgot that the negotiated interest on government borrowing was about to come up and therefore we paid £5bn more than we needed, the outright corruption of the fast lane for PPE and Covid contracts, a cretinous prime minister and chancellor who cost at least £8bn (potentially £50bn) and yet it’s all Labours fault? Unbelievable
You sound a bit angry for someone with a liberal left-leaning outlook on life
You do switch to personal attacks when you lose the technical argument.
You always end up switching to personal attacks. Have you noticed?
Eh? Do keep up. The gentleman from Bristol has a self-declared 'liberal left-leaning outlook on life'. Why would he attack himself with those words?
Merely suggesting someone sounds 'a bit angry' is hardly a 'personal attack' and doesn't come close to some of your diatribes!
Who are you to decide that people are having a 'technical argument' and who has 'lost' it?
It's a forum where people discuss and debate. Some people's views won't align with yours. You must get over that and stop seeing everything as a big row that somebody must win. You almost certainly won't change the other person's mind, but that isn't really the goal. It's to discuss, debate and pass some fun spare time.
Some people seem to have inordinate amounts of time in their 'busy' days and post here every day. But having more time doesn't win a thread either!
. Your last paragraph makes a very interesting comment. A few posters seem to be constantly logged on. We do however live in a free society so they can spend their idle time as they choose . Luckily anything posted on here has zero impact in the real world.
Correct
If they want they can idle away their time even more by duplicating daft comments about 'technical arguments' they believe they are engaged in..
The irony of writing this at 01:00 in the morning is completely lost on you, isn't it?
On an, admittedly not very topical, thread on Brexit you have failed to identify any benefits of your parties greatest triumph, nor have you done anything more than find excuses for everything that has gone wrong under their Government over the last twelve years.
You will, of course, continue to vote for whatever failure is to come from the same party because you will find any reason, however tenuous, not to change.
That's up to you, but don't bully people in the process.
I have no time in the busy working day to be telling others off at 9.30am, about posting just after midnight! More evidence of you believing everyone else should be bullied into thinking and acting like you. Perhaps you should recommend to Admin that people can only post between 9am and 5pm?
Time spent here is more telling and you appear to be able to post at will throughout the working day far more extensively than my job allows!
You have found plenty of time to write a great deal of not much note.
Any information on the success of Brexit, this Government's flagship policy?
Any other improvements in our lives over the last twelve years?
No Brexit successes BECAUSE of the govt. The Tory govts failures over the last 12 years aren't down to brexit. How do you suppose the likely Labour govt will deal with the same issues and deliver on Brexit and if they don't, then what?
Labour said they would stick with the Brexit clusterfuck. They're too afraid to talk about how they would mitigate against the ongoing damage it's causing. Too worried they'd lose votes, so they have to pretend it was a good idea to leave the EU.
Maybe, just maybe, they might get it to work?""Work"? What does "work" mean? There is no visible advantage and no plan for what Brexit is. At the moment the best option is to make it less bad and work from there. Tonight's Newsnight has just finished a piece on trade opportunities. They look pretty poor. Your turn. Fix it for us. | |||
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"Labour said they would stick with the Brexit clusterfuck. They're too afraid to talk about how they would mitigate against the ongoing damage it's causing. Too worried they'd lose votes, so they have to pretend it was a good idea to leave the EU. I’m waiting for someone to wake up to EURP. European Union Rejoin Party. (It’s the best I could think of) At some point in the not to distant future, those that wanted to remain will far outnumber those that wanted to leave, call it natural attrition. They will need a party to lean into, that the big 2 won’t provide through fear. The big 2 will see the swing and bingo. It feels so obvious as an outcome And tomorrows lottery number are??? I’ve cut the post down for ease of reading. Do you think what I’ve suggested is far fetched? Of course it isn't. These things are cyclical. To older people, it doesn't seem 5 mins since we were being encouraged into the EEC in the mid 70s and then in the mid 10s we're out again! So what you're saying is not far fetched but there'll be a similar gap of several decades. As Keir Starmer realises. Hence his latest 'Make Brexit Work' approach I agree. Rejoining anytime soon isn't going to happen. What we need is a political party that can face up to the clusterfuck brexit created and work to limit the damage. " Yes, as already suggested, the reverse scenario of UKIP. UKIP being the political party that was able to face up to the cluster fuck that ever closer EU integration, EU meddling, corruption and the economic nonsense of the euro currency, had created. David Cameron tried a meet-in-the-middle approach but EU apparatchiks gave him next to nothing. | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. Ha ha ha the same old cobblers you always churn out….so what has 12 years of Tory austerity brought us? Stagnation of wages, the highest tax burden in over 70 years, 11 per cent inflation, a chancellor who forgot that the negotiated interest on government borrowing was about to come up and therefore we paid £5bn more than we needed, the outright corruption of the fast lane for PPE and Covid contracts, a cretinous prime minister and chancellor who cost at least £8bn (potentially £50bn) and yet it’s all Labours fault? Unbelievable
You sound a bit angry for someone with a liberal left-leaning outlook on life
You do switch to personal attacks when you lose the technical argument.
You always end up switching to personal attacks. Have you noticed?
Eh? Do keep up. The gentleman from Bristol has a self-declared 'liberal left-leaning outlook on life'. Why would he attack himself with those words?
Merely suggesting someone sounds 'a bit angry' is hardly a 'personal attack' and doesn't come close to some of your diatribes!
Who are you to decide that people are having a 'technical argument' and who has 'lost' it?
It's a forum where people discuss and debate. Some people's views won't align with yours. You must get over that and stop seeing everything as a big row that somebody must win. You almost certainly won't change the other person's mind, but that isn't really the goal. It's to discuss, debate and pass some fun spare time.
Some people seem to have inordinate amounts of time in their 'busy' days and post here every day. But having more time doesn't win a thread either!
. Your last paragraph makes a very interesting comment. A few posters seem to be constantly logged on. We do however live in a free society so they can spend their idle time as they choose . Luckily anything posted on here has zero impact in the real world.
Correct
If they want they can idle away their time even more by duplicating daft comments about 'technical arguments' they believe they are engaged in..
The irony of writing this at 01:00 in the morning is completely lost on you, isn't it?
On an, admittedly not very topical, thread on Brexit you have failed to identify any benefits of your parties greatest triumph, nor have you done anything more than find excuses for everything that has gone wrong under their Government over the last twelve years.
You will, of course, continue to vote for whatever failure is to come from the same party because you will find any reason, however tenuous, not to change.
That's up to you, but don't bully people in the process.
I have no time in the busy working day to be telling others off at 9.30am, about posting just after midnight! More evidence of you believing everyone else should be bullied into thinking and acting like you. Perhaps you should recommend to Admin that people can only post between 9am and 5pm?
Time spent here is more telling and you appear to be able to post at will throughout the working day far more extensively than my job allows!
You have found plenty of time to write a great deal of not much note.
Any information on the success of Brexit, this Government's flagship policy?
Any other improvements in our lives over the last twelve years?
No Brexit successes BECAUSE of the govt. The Tory govts failures over the last 12 years aren't down to brexit. How do you suppose the likely Labour govt will deal with the same issues and deliver on Brexit and if they don't, then what?
Labour said they would stick with the Brexit clusterfuck. They're too afraid to talk about how they would mitigate against the ongoing damage it's causing. Too worried they'd lose votes, so they have to pretend it was a good idea to leave the EU.
I’m waiting for someone to wake up to EURP. European Union Rejoin Party. (It’s the best I could think of)
At some point in the not to distant future, those that wanted to remain will far outnumber those that wanted to leave, call it natural attrition.
They will need a party to lean into, that the big 2 won’t provide through fear. The big 2 will see the swing and bingo.
It feels so obvious as an outcome"We can never rejoin. The deal would be too humiliating as it would be the same as everyone else. Far worse than the privileges we enjoyed before. If we admit that it hasn't worked out that well and there are significant financial benefits to trading with our wealthy, and very close neighbours. If COVID has taught us anything it's that long trade routes are not a great idea for critical goods. Eventually we set aside our foolish pride and join the EEA. Everyone pretends nothing ever happened. | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. Ha ha ha the same old cobblers you always churn out….so what has 12 years of Tory austerity brought us? Stagnation of wages, the highest tax burden in over 70 years, 11 per cent inflation, a chancellor who forgot that the negotiated interest on government borrowing was about to come up and therefore we paid £5bn more than we needed, the outright corruption of the fast lane for PPE and Covid contracts, a cretinous prime minister and chancellor who cost at least £8bn (potentially £50bn) and yet it’s all Labours fault? Unbelievable
You sound a bit angry for someone with a liberal left-leaning outlook on life
You do switch to personal attacks when you lose the technical argument.
You always end up switching to personal attacks. Have you noticed?
Eh? Do keep up. The gentleman from Bristol has a self-declared 'liberal left-leaning outlook on life'. Why would he attack himself with those words?
Merely suggesting someone sounds 'a bit angry' is hardly a 'personal attack' and doesn't come close to some of your diatribes!
Who are you to decide that people are having a 'technical argument' and who has 'lost' it?
It's a forum where people discuss and debate. Some people's views won't align with yours. You must get over that and stop seeing everything as a big row that somebody must win. You almost certainly won't change the other person's mind, but that isn't really the goal. It's to discuss, debate and pass some fun spare time.
Some people seem to have inordinate amounts of time in their 'busy' days and post here every day. But having more time doesn't win a thread either!
. Your last paragraph makes a very interesting comment. A few posters seem to be constantly logged on. We do however live in a free society so they can spend their idle time as they choose . Luckily anything posted on here has zero impact in the real world.
Correct
If they want they can idle away their time even more by duplicating daft comments about 'technical arguments' they believe they are engaged in..
The irony of writing this at 01:00 in the morning is completely lost on you, isn't it?
On an, admittedly not very topical, thread on Brexit you have failed to identify any benefits of your parties greatest triumph, nor have you done anything more than find excuses for everything that has gone wrong under their Government over the last twelve years.
You will, of course, continue to vote for whatever failure is to come from the same party because you will find any reason, however tenuous, not to change.
That's up to you, but don't bully people in the process.
I have no time in the busy working day to be telling others off at 9.30am, about posting just after midnight! More evidence of you believing everyone else should be bullied into thinking and acting like you. Perhaps you should recommend to Admin that people can only post between 9am and 5pm?
Time spent here is more telling and you appear to be able to post at will throughout the working day far more extensively than my job allows!
You have found plenty of time to write a great deal of not much note.
Any information on the success of Brexit, this Government's flagship policy?
Any other improvements in our lives over the last twelve years?
You find plenty more time than me to write a great deal more of less note than me - and at least I take a break every now and then.
When you can't even be bothered to differentiate between me and 'Pat', I will not, as set out elsewhere, respond to you on Brexit or the last 12 years etc.
I mean, do you deal with correspondence that's not addressed to you? "Still nothing on topic. You really are sulking like a child, aren't you? I don't need your opinion so I don't have any urge to pander to you, but I am interested. Up to you if you have anything useful to say or not. So far, not | |||
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"Labour said they would stick with the Brexit clusterfuck. They're too afraid to talk about how they would mitigate against the ongoing damage it's causing. Too worried they'd lose votes, so they have to pretend it was a good idea to leave the EU. I’m waiting for someone to wake up to EURP. European Union Rejoin Party. (It’s the best I could think of) At some point in the not to distant future, those that wanted to remain will far outnumber those that wanted to leave, call it natural attrition. They will need a party to lean into, that the big 2 won’t provide through fear. The big 2 will see the swing and bingo. It feels so obvious as an outcome And tomorrows lottery number are??? I’ve cut the post down for ease of reading. Do you think what I’ve suggested is far fetched? Of course it isn't. These things are cyclical. To older people, it doesn't seem 5 mins since we were being encouraged into the EEC in the mid 70s and then in the mid 10s we're out again! So what you're saying is not far fetched but there'll be a similar gap of several decades. As Keir Starmer realises. Hence his latest 'Make Brexit Work' approach I agree. Rejoining anytime soon isn't going to happen. What we need is a political party that can face up to the clusterfuck brexit created and work to limit the damage. Yes, as already suggested, the reverse scenario of UKIP. UKIP being the political party that was able to face up to the cluster fuck that ever closer EU integration, EU meddling, corruption and the economic nonsense of the euro currency, had created. David Cameron tried a meet-in-the-middle approach but EU apparatchiks gave him next to nothing. " You've strayed into conspiracy theory territory here. A reverse UKIP won't ever make sense, rejoining the EU wouldn't fix most of the damage done, and as mentioned, we wouldn't have the privileged position we once had. | |||
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"Labour said they would stick with the Brexit clusterfuck. They're too afraid to talk about how they would mitigate against the ongoing damage it's causing. Too worried they'd lose votes, so they have to pretend it was a good idea to leave the EU. I’m waiting for someone to wake up to EURP. European Union Rejoin Party. (It’s the best I could think of) At some point in the not to distant future, those that wanted to remain will far outnumber those that wanted to leave, call it natural attrition. They will need a party to lean into, that the big 2 won’t provide through fear. The big 2 will see the swing and bingo. It feels so obvious as an outcome And tomorrows lottery number are??? I’ve cut the post down for ease of reading. Do you think what I’ve suggested is far fetched? Of course it isn't. These things are cyclical. To older people, it doesn't seem 5 mins since we were being encouraged into the EEC in the mid 70s and then in the mid 10s we're out again! So what you're saying is not far fetched but there'll be a similar gap of several decades. As Keir Starmer realises. Hence his latest 'Make Brexit Work' approach I agree. Rejoining anytime soon isn't going to happen. What we need is a political party that can face up to the clusterfuck brexit created and work to limit the damage. Yes, as already suggested, the reverse scenario of UKIP. UKIP being the political party that was able to face up to the cluster fuck that ever closer EU integration, EU meddling, corruption and the economic nonsense of the euro currency, had created. David Cameron tried a meet-in-the-middle approach but EU apparatchiks gave him next to nothing. You've strayed into conspiracy theory territory here. A reverse UKIP won't ever make sense, rejoining the EU wouldn't fix most of the damage done, and as mentioned, we wouldn't have the privileged position we once had." But... but.. Labour are about to sashay into 13 years plus power. Since when was making a sensible decision on European matters part of their repertoire? Came damned close last time to tieing us to the euro! | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. Ha ha ha the same old cobblers you always churn out….so what has 12 years of Tory austerity brought us? Stagnation of wages, the highest tax burden in over 70 years, 11 per cent inflation, a chancellor who forgot that the negotiated interest on government borrowing was about to come up and therefore we paid £5bn more than we needed, the outright corruption of the fast lane for PPE and Covid contracts, a cretinous prime minister and chancellor who cost at least £8bn (potentially £50bn) and yet it’s all Labours fault? Unbelievable
You sound a bit angry for someone with a liberal left-leaning outlook on life
You do switch to personal attacks when you lose the technical argument.
You always end up switching to personal attacks. Have you noticed?
Eh? Do keep up. The gentleman from Bristol has a self-declared 'liberal left-leaning outlook on life'. Why would he attack himself with those words?
Merely suggesting someone sounds 'a bit angry' is hardly a 'personal attack' and doesn't come close to some of your diatribes!
Who are you to decide that people are having a 'technical argument' and who has 'lost' it?
It's a forum where people discuss and debate. Some people's views won't align with yours. You must get over that and stop seeing everything as a big row that somebody must win. You almost certainly won't change the other person's mind, but that isn't really the goal. It's to discuss, debate and pass some fun spare time.
Some people seem to have inordinate amounts of time in their 'busy' days and post here every day. But having more time doesn't win a thread either!
. Your last paragraph makes a very interesting comment. A few posters seem to be constantly logged on. We do however live in a free society so they can spend their idle time as they choose . Luckily anything posted on here has zero impact in the real world.
Correct
If they want they can idle away their time even more by duplicating daft comments about 'technical arguments' they believe they are engaged in..
The irony of writing this at 01:00 in the morning is completely lost on you, isn't it?
On an, admittedly not very topical, thread on Brexit you have failed to identify any benefits of your parties greatest triumph, nor have you done anything more than find excuses for everything that has gone wrong under their Government over the last twelve years.
You will, of course, continue to vote for whatever failure is to come from the same party because you will find any reason, however tenuous, not to change.
That's up to you, but don't bully people in the process.
I have no time in the busy working day to be telling others off at 9.30am, about posting just after midnight! More evidence of you believing everyone else should be bullied into thinking and acting like you. Perhaps you should recommend to Admin that people can only post between 9am and 5pm?
Time spent here is more telling and you appear to be able to post at will throughout the working day far more extensively than my job allows!
You have found plenty of time to write a great deal of not much note.
Any information on the success of Brexit, this Government's flagship policy?
Any other improvements in our lives over the last twelve years?
You find plenty more time than me to write a great deal more of less note than me - and at least I take a break every now and then.
When you can't even be bothered to differentiate between me and 'Pat', I will not, as set out elsewhere, respond to you on Brexit or the last 12 years etc.
I mean, do you deal with correspondence that's not addressed to you?
Still nothing on topic. You really are sulking like a child, aren't you? I don't need your opinion so I don't have any urge to pander to you, but I am interested. Up to you if you have anything useful to say or not. So far, not "More personal attacks! You now conduct these nationally and internationally (our friends across the water in Larksville have been on the receiving end of some particularly nasty stuff) - please try to be civil | |||
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"12 years of doing fuck all and right whingers blame everything around them except themselves, have the balls admit your social experiment failed and exit to the political wilderness until you are ready to find a new hook to bait everyone with. I should have thought dealing with a worldwide pandemic with the generous furlough scheme, fastest vaccines, getting Brexit done, supporting Ukraine and generally trying to clear up the mess left by Labour in 2010, was enough to exercise any Govt in the world, on top of the BAU stuff "Bollocks. | |||
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"Labour said they would stick with the Brexit clusterfuck. They're too afraid to talk about how they would mitigate against the ongoing damage it's causing. Too worried they'd lose votes, so they have to pretend it was a good idea to leave the EU. I’m waiting for someone to wake up to EURP. European Union Rejoin Party. (It’s the best I could think of) At some point in the not to distant future, those that wanted to remain will far outnumber those that wanted to leave, call it natural attrition. They will need a party to lean into, that the big 2 won’t provide through fear. The big 2 will see the swing and bingo. It feels so obvious as an outcome And tomorrows lottery number are??? I’ve cut the post down for ease of reading. Do you think what I’ve suggested is far fetched? Of course it isn't. These things are cyclical. To older people, it doesn't seem 5 mins since we were being encouraged into the EEC in the mid 70s and then in the mid 10s we're out again! So what you're saying is not far fetched but there'll be a similar gap of several decades. As Keir Starmer realises. Hence his latest 'Make Brexit Work' approach I agree. Rejoining anytime soon isn't going to happen. What we need is a political party that can face up to the clusterfuck brexit created and work to limit the damage. Yes, as already suggested, the reverse scenario of UKIP. UKIP being the political party that was able to face up to the cluster fuck that ever closer EU integration, EU meddling, corruption and the economic nonsense of the euro currency, had created. David Cameron tried a meet-in-the-middle approach but EU apparatchiks gave him next to nothing. You've strayed into conspiracy theory territory here. A reverse UKIP won't ever make sense, rejoining the EU wouldn't fix most of the damage done, and as mentioned, we wouldn't have the privileged position we once had. But... but.. Labour are about to sashay into 13 years plus power. Since when was making a sensible decision on European matters part of their repertoire? Came damned close last time to tieing us to the euro! " Norman Lamont was the Chancellor when we crashed out of the ERM, wasn't he? Brexit does not look like a sensible decision to anybody at this point. Perhaps you have some positives for the flagship Government policy? | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. Ha ha ha the same old cobblers you always churn out….so what has 12 years of Tory austerity brought us? Stagnation of wages, the highest tax burden in over 70 years, 11 per cent inflation, a chancellor who forgot that the negotiated interest on government borrowing was about to come up and therefore we paid £5bn more than we needed, the outright corruption of the fast lane for PPE and Covid contracts, a cretinous prime minister and chancellor who cost at least £8bn (potentially £50bn) and yet it’s all Labours fault? Unbelievable
You sound a bit angry for someone with a liberal left-leaning outlook on life
You do switch to personal attacks when you lose the technical argument.
You always end up switching to personal attacks. Have you noticed?
Eh? Do keep up. The gentleman from Bristol has a self-declared 'liberal left-leaning outlook on life'. Why would he attack himself with those words?
Merely suggesting someone sounds 'a bit angry' is hardly a 'personal attack' and doesn't come close to some of your diatribes!
Who are you to decide that people are having a 'technical argument' and who has 'lost' it?
It's a forum where people discuss and debate. Some people's views won't align with yours. You must get over that and stop seeing everything as a big row that somebody must win. You almost certainly won't change the other person's mind, but that isn't really the goal. It's to discuss, debate and pass some fun spare time.
Some people seem to have inordinate amounts of time in their 'busy' days and post here every day. But having more time doesn't win a thread either!
. Your last paragraph makes a very interesting comment. A few posters seem to be constantly logged on. We do however live in a free society so they can spend their idle time as they choose . Luckily anything posted on here has zero impact in the real world.
Correct
If they want they can idle away their time even more by duplicating daft comments about 'technical arguments' they believe they are engaged in..
The irony of writing this at 01:00 in the morning is completely lost on you, isn't it?
On an, admittedly not very topical, thread on Brexit you have failed to identify any benefits of your parties greatest triumph, nor have you done anything more than find excuses for everything that has gone wrong under their Government over the last twelve years.
You will, of course, continue to vote for whatever failure is to come from the same party because you will find any reason, however tenuous, not to change.
That's up to you, but don't bully people in the process.
I have no time in the busy working day to be telling others off at 9.30am, about posting just after midnight! More evidence of you believing everyone else should be bullied into thinking and acting like you. Perhaps you should recommend to Admin that people can only post between 9am and 5pm?
Time spent here is more telling and you appear to be able to post at will throughout the working day far more extensively than my job allows!
You have found plenty of time to write a great deal of not much note.
Any information on the success of Brexit, this Government's flagship policy?
Any other improvements in our lives over the last twelve years?
You find plenty more time than me to write a great deal more of less note than me - and at least I take a break every now and then.
When you can't even be bothered to differentiate between me and 'Pat', I will not, as set out elsewhere, respond to you on Brexit or the last 12 years etc.
I mean, do you deal with correspondence that's not addressed to you?
Still nothing on topic. You really are sulking like a child, aren't you? I don't need your opinion so I don't have any urge to pander to you, but I am interested. Up to you if you have anything useful to say or not. So far, not
More personal attacks!
You now conduct these nationally and internationally (our friends across the water in Larksville have been on the receiving end of some particularly nasty stuff) - please try to be civil "Are you in a gang now? If you don't feel able to explain your strong opinions then don't get upset when you're called out on it, Pat. Yes, I am just doing it because it seems to annoy you so much. So put your big boy pants on, ignore it and discuss the subject. | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. Ha ha ha the same old cobblers you always churn out….so what has 12 years of Tory austerity brought us? Stagnation of wages, the highest tax burden in over 70 years, 11 per cent inflation, a chancellor who forgot that the negotiated interest on government borrowing was about to come up and therefore we paid £5bn more than we needed, the outright corruption of the fast lane for PPE and Covid contracts, a cretinous prime minister and chancellor who cost at least £8bn (potentially £50bn) and yet it’s all Labours fault? Unbelievable
You sound a bit angry for someone with a liberal left-leaning outlook on life
You do switch to personal attacks when you lose the technical argument.
You always end up switching to personal attacks. Have you noticed?
Eh? Do keep up. The gentleman from Bristol has a self-declared 'liberal left-leaning outlook on life'. Why would he attack himself with those words?
Merely suggesting someone sounds 'a bit angry' is hardly a 'personal attack' and doesn't come close to some of your diatribes!
Who are you to decide that people are having a 'technical argument' and who has 'lost' it?
It's a forum where people discuss and debate. Some people's views won't align with yours. You must get over that and stop seeing everything as a big row that somebody must win. You almost certainly won't change the other person's mind, but that isn't really the goal. It's to discuss, debate and pass some fun spare time.
Some people seem to have inordinate amounts of time in their 'busy' days and post here every day. But having more time doesn't win a thread either!
. Your last paragraph makes a very interesting comment. A few posters seem to be constantly logged on. We do however live in a free society so they can spend their idle time as they choose . Luckily anything posted on here has zero impact in the real world.
Correct
If they want they can idle away their time even more by duplicating daft comments about 'technical arguments' they believe they are engaged in..
The irony of writing this at 01:00 in the morning is completely lost on you, isn't it?
On an, admittedly not very topical, thread on Brexit you have failed to identify any benefits of your parties greatest triumph, nor have you done anything more than find excuses for everything that has gone wrong under their Government over the last twelve years.
You will, of course, continue to vote for whatever failure is to come from the same party because you will find any reason, however tenuous, not to change.
That's up to you, but don't bully people in the process.
I have no time in the busy working day to be telling others off at 9.30am, about posting just after midnight! More evidence of you believing everyone else should be bullied into thinking and acting like you. Perhaps you should recommend to Admin that people can only post between 9am and 5pm?
Time spent here is more telling and you appear to be able to post at will throughout the working day far more extensively than my job allows!
You have found plenty of time to write a great deal of not much note.
Any information on the success of Brexit, this Government's flagship policy?
Any other improvements in our lives over the last twelve years?
You find plenty more time than me to write a great deal more of less note than me - and at least I take a break every now and then.
When you can't even be bothered to differentiate between me and 'Pat', I will not, as set out elsewhere, respond to you on Brexit or the last 12 years etc.
I mean, do you deal with correspondence that's not addressed to you?
Still nothing on topic. You really are sulking like a child, aren't you? I don't need your opinion so I don't have any urge to pander to you, but I am interested. Up to you if you have anything useful to say or not. So far, not
More personal attacks!
You now conduct these nationally and internationally (our friends across the water in Larksville have been on the receiving end of some particularly nasty stuff) - please try to be civil
Are you in a gang now?
If you don't feel able to explain your strong opinions then don't get upset when you're called out on it, Pat.
Yes, I am just doing it because it seems to annoy you so much. So put your big boy pants on, ignore it and discuss the subject."It bewilders me rather than annoys me. But since you've just admitted your intent ("just doing it because it seems to annoy you so much") I'm reporting you for self-declared trolling. | |||
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"Labour said they would stick with the Brexit clusterfuck. They're too afraid to talk about how they would mitigate against the ongoing damage it's causing. Too worried they'd lose votes, so they have to pretend it was a good idea to leave the EU. I’m waiting for someone to wake up to EURP. European Union Rejoin Party. (It’s the best I could think of) At some point in the not to distant future, those that wanted to remain will far outnumber those that wanted to leave, call it natural attrition. They will need a party to lean into, that the big 2 won’t provide through fear. The big 2 will see the swing and bingo. It feels so obvious as an outcome And tomorrows lottery number are??? I’ve cut the post down for ease of reading. Do you think what I’ve suggested is far fetched? Of course it isn't. These things are cyclical. To older people, it doesn't seem 5 mins since we were being encouraged into the EEC in the mid 70s and then in the mid 10s we're out again! So what you're saying is not far fetched but there'll be a similar gap of several decades. As Keir Starmer realises. Hence his latest 'Make Brexit Work' approach I agree. Rejoining anytime soon isn't going to happen. What we need is a political party that can face up to the clusterfuck brexit created and work to limit the damage. Yes, as already suggested, the reverse scenario of UKIP. UKIP being the political party that was able to face up to the cluster fuck that ever closer EU integration, EU meddling, corruption and the economic nonsense of the euro currency, had created. David Cameron tried a meet-in-the-middle approach but EU apparatchiks gave him next to nothing. You've strayed into conspiracy theory territory here. A reverse UKIP won't ever make sense, rejoining the EU wouldn't fix most of the damage done, and as mentioned, we wouldn't have the privileged position we once had. But... but.. Labour are about to sashay into 13 years plus power. Since when was making a sensible decision on European matters part of their repertoire? Came damned close last time to tieing us to the euro! " What has Labour got to do with anything? | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. Ha ha ha the same old cobblers you always churn out….so what has 12 years of Tory austerity brought us? Stagnation of wages, the highest tax burden in over 70 years, 11 per cent inflation, a chancellor who forgot that the negotiated interest on government borrowing was about to come up and therefore we paid £5bn more than we needed, the outright corruption of the fast lane for PPE and Covid contracts, a cretinous prime minister and chancellor who cost at least £8bn (potentially £50bn) and yet it’s all Labours fault? Unbelievable
You sound a bit angry for someone with a liberal left-leaning outlook on life
You do switch to personal attacks when you lose the technical argument.
You always end up switching to personal attacks. Have you noticed?
Eh? Do keep up. The gentleman from Bristol has a self-declared 'liberal left-leaning outlook on life'. Why would he attack himself with those words?
Merely suggesting someone sounds 'a bit angry' is hardly a 'personal attack' and doesn't come close to some of your diatribes!
Who are you to decide that people are having a 'technical argument' and who has 'lost' it?
It's a forum where people discuss and debate. Some people's views won't align with yours. You must get over that and stop seeing everything as a big row that somebody must win. You almost certainly won't change the other person's mind, but that isn't really the goal. It's to discuss, debate and pass some fun spare time.
Some people seem to have inordinate amounts of time in their 'busy' days and post here every day. But having more time doesn't win a thread either!
. Your last paragraph makes a very interesting comment. A few posters seem to be constantly logged on. We do however live in a free society so they can spend their idle time as they choose . Luckily anything posted on here has zero impact in the real world.
Correct
If they want they can idle away their time even more by duplicating daft comments about 'technical arguments' they believe they are engaged in..
The irony of writing this at 01:00 in the morning is completely lost on you, isn't it?
On an, admittedly not very topical, thread on Brexit you have failed to identify any benefits of your parties greatest triumph, nor have you done anything more than find excuses for everything that has gone wrong under their Government over the last twelve years.
You will, of course, continue to vote for whatever failure is to come from the same party because you will find any reason, however tenuous, not to change.
That's up to you, but don't bully people in the process.
I have no time in the busy working day to be telling others off at 9.30am, about posting just after midnight! More evidence of you believing everyone else should be bullied into thinking and acting like you. Perhaps you should recommend to Admin that people can only post between 9am and 5pm?
Time spent here is more telling and you appear to be able to post at will throughout the working day far more extensively than my job allows!
You have found plenty of time to write a great deal of not much note.
Any information on the success of Brexit, this Government's flagship policy?
Any other improvements in our lives over the last twelve years?
You find plenty more time than me to write a great deal more of less note than me - and at least I take a break every now and then.
When you can't even be bothered to differentiate between me and 'Pat', I will not, as set out elsewhere, respond to you on Brexit or the last 12 years etc.
I mean, do you deal with correspondence that's not addressed to you?
Still nothing on topic. You really are sulking like a child, aren't you? I don't need your opinion so I don't have any urge to pander to you, but I am interested. Up to you if you have anything useful to say or not. So far, not
More personal attacks!
You now conduct these nationally and internationally (our friends across the water in Larksville have been on the receiving end of some particularly nasty stuff) - please try to be civil
Are you in a gang now?
If you don't feel able to explain your strong opinions then don't get upset when you're called out on it, Pat.
Yes, I am just doing it because it seems to annoy you so much. So put your big boy pants on, ignore it and discuss the subject.
It bewilders me rather than annoys me. But since you've just admitted your intent ("just doing it because it seems to annoy you so much") I'm reporting you for self-declared trolling. "Well done you
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. Ha ha ha the same old cobblers you always churn out….so what has 12 years of Tory austerity brought us? Stagnation of wages, the highest tax burden in over 70 years, 11 per cent inflation, a chancellor who forgot that the negotiated interest on government borrowing was about to come up and therefore we paid £5bn more than we needed, the outright corruption of the fast lane for PPE and Covid contracts, a cretinous prime minister and chancellor who cost at least £8bn (potentially £50bn) and yet it’s all Labours fault? Unbelievable
You sound a bit angry for someone with a liberal left-leaning outlook on life
You do switch to personal attacks when you lose the technical argument.
You always end up switching to personal attacks. Have you noticed?
Eh? Do keep up. The gentleman from Bristol has a self-declared 'liberal left-leaning outlook on life'. Why would he attack himself with those words?
Merely suggesting someone sounds 'a bit angry' is hardly a 'personal attack' and doesn't come close to some of your diatribes!
Who are you to decide that people are having a 'technical argument' and who has 'lost' it?
It's a forum where people discuss and debate. Some people's views won't align with yours. You must get over that and stop seeing everything as a big row that somebody must win. You almost certainly won't change the other person's mind, but that isn't really the goal. It's to discuss, debate and pass some fun spare time.
Some people seem to have inordinate amounts of time in their 'busy' days and post here every day. But having more time doesn't win a thread either!
. Your last paragraph makes a very interesting comment. A few posters seem to be constantly logged on. We do however live in a free society so they can spend their idle time as they choose . Luckily anything posted on here has zero impact in the real world.
Correct
If they want they can idle away their time even more by duplicating daft comments about 'technical arguments' they believe they are engaged in..
The irony of writing this at 01:00 in the morning is completely lost on you, isn't it?
On an, admittedly not very topical, thread on Brexit you have failed to identify any benefits of your parties greatest triumph, nor have you done anything more than find excuses for everything that has gone wrong under their Government over the last twelve years.
You will, of course, continue to vote for whatever failure is to come from the same party because you will find any reason, however tenuous, not to change.
That's up to you, but don't bully people in the process.
I have no time in the busy working day to be telling others off at 9.30am, about posting just after midnight! More evidence of you believing everyone else should be bullied into thinking and acting like you. Perhaps you should recommend to Admin that people can only post between 9am and 5pm?
Time spent here is more telling and you appear to be able to post at will throughout the working day far more extensively than my job allows!
You have found plenty of time to write a great deal of not much note.
Any information on the success of Brexit, this Government's flagship policy?
Any other improvements in our lives over the last twelve years?
No Brexit successes BECAUSE of the govt. The Tory govts failures over the last 12 years aren't down to brexit. How do you suppose the likely Labour govt will deal with the same issues and deliver on Brexit and if they don't, then what?
Labour said they would stick with the Brexit clusterfuck. They're too afraid to talk about how they would mitigate against the ongoing damage it's causing. Too worried they'd lose votes, so they have to pretend it was a good idea to leave the EU.
I’m waiting for someone to wake up to EURP. European Union Rejoin Party. (It’s the best I could think of)
At some point in the not to distant future, those that wanted to remain will far outnumber those that wanted to leave, call it natural attrition.
They will need a party to lean into, that the big 2 won’t provide through fear. The big 2 will see the swing and bingo.
It feels so obvious as an outcome
We can never rejoin. The deal would be too humiliating as it would be the same as everyone else. Far worse than the privileges we enjoyed before.
If we admit that it hasn't worked out that well and there are significant financial benefits to trading with our wealthy, and very close neighbours. If COVID has taught us anything it's that long trade routes are not a great idea for critical goods.
Eventually we set aside our foolish pride and join the EEA.
Everyone pretends nothing ever happened."I'm hoping in 25 years time we will not have the same mindset as we do now. A population that isn't ball and chained to the £, I hope that will be a thing of the past. Free movement, localised business and the same currency, what is not to like? The Tories shot themselves in the foot, blaming the EU red tape for every issue they couldn't resolve or found themselves in, was their get out of jail card. In reality, it has been every UK governments card up their sleeve, blame the EU lot, Joe / Jo public will never catch on. The fact that the younger generations have far more acceptance of others, brings me hope that the reversal will come sooner than expected | |||
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"Not enough Daffodil pickers.. Another great result.." When I was a boy we lived in Lincolnshire this was back in late 70's early 80's so waaaaayyyyyy before Brexit there was always a shortage of workers to help with pretty much all picking and planting so definitely not a new issue or is it just another good story to have a snipe at Brexit? | |||
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"Labour said they would stick with the Brexit clusterfuck. They're too afraid to talk about how they would mitigate against the ongoing damage it's causing. Too worried they'd lose votes, so they have to pretend it was a good idea to leave the EU. I’m waiting for someone to wake up to EURP. European Union Rejoin Party. (It’s the best I could think of) At some point in the not to distant future, those that wanted to remain will far outnumber those that wanted to leave, call it natural attrition. They will need a party to lean into, that the big 2 won’t provide through fear. The big 2 will see the swing and bingo. It feels so obvious as an outcome And tomorrows lottery number are??? I’ve cut the post down for ease of reading. Do you think what I’ve suggested is far fetched? Of course it isn't. These things are cyclical. To older people, it doesn't seem 5 mins since we were being encouraged into the EEC in the mid 70s and then in the mid 10s we're out again! So what you're saying is not far fetched but there'll be a similar gap of several decades. As Keir Starmer realises. Hence his latest 'Make Brexit Work' approach I agree. Rejoining anytime soon isn't going to happen. What we need is a political party that can face up to the clusterfuck brexit created and work to limit the damage. Yes, as already suggested, the reverse scenario of UKIP. UKIP being the political party that was able to face up to the cluster fuck that ever closer EU integration, EU meddling, corruption and the economic nonsense of the euro currency, had created. David Cameron tried a meet-in-the-middle approach but EU apparatchiks gave him next to nothing. You've strayed into conspiracy theory territory here. A reverse UKIP won't ever make sense, rejoining the EU wouldn't fix most of the damage done, and as mentioned, we wouldn't have the privileged position we once had. But... but.. Labour are about to sashay into 13 years plus power. Since when was making a sensible decision on European matters part of their repertoire? Came damned close last time to tieing us to the euro! What has Labour got to do with anything? " Getting Tina Turner vibes. Not sure why | |||
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"Not enough Daffodil pickers.. Another great result.. When I was a boy we lived in Lincolnshire this was back in late 70's early 80's so waaaaayyyyyy before Brexit there was always a shortage of workers to help with pretty much all picking and planting so definitely not a new issue or is it just another good story to have a snipe at Brexit? " No its not, depending on the season I am surrounded in daffs and edible produce,the labour shortage is at desperate levels. | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. Ha ha ha the same old cobblers you always churn out….so what has 12 years of Tory austerity brought us? Stagnation of wages, the highest tax burden in over 70 years, 11 per cent inflation, a chancellor who forgot that the negotiated interest on government borrowing was about to come up and therefore we paid £5bn more than we needed, the outright corruption of the fast lane for PPE and Covid contracts, a cretinous prime minister and chancellor who cost at least £8bn (potentially £50bn) and yet it’s all Labours fault? Unbelievable
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. Ha ha ha the same old cobblers you always churn out….so what has 12 years of Tory austerity brought us? Stagnation of wages, the highest tax burden in over 70 years, 11 per cent inflation, a chancellor who forgot that the negotiated interest on government borrowing was about to come up and therefore we paid £5bn more than we needed, the outright corruption of the fast lane for PPE and Covid contracts, a cretinous prime minister and chancellor who cost at least £8bn (potentially £50bn) and yet it’s all Labours fault? Unbelievable
You sound a bit angry for someone with a liberal left-leaning outlook on life
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. Ha ha ha the same old cobblers you always churn out….so what has 12 years of Tory austerity brought us? Stagnation of wages, the highest tax burden in over 70 years, 11 per cent inflation, a chancellor who forgot that the negotiated interest on government borrowing was about to come up and therefore we paid £5bn more than we needed, the outright corruption of the fast lane for PPE and Covid contracts, a cretinous prime minister and chancellor who cost at least £8bn (potentially £50bn) and yet it’s all Labours fault? Unbelievable
You sound a bit angry for someone with a liberal left-leaning outlook on life
I wouldn’t say angry…more despairing of the gormless shite people post on here Pat
Pat is here to troll the Tories by posting the most ridiculous OTT pro Tory nonsense he can think of."Ah ha….so Pat is the red menace sowing bile and dissent to enable the people’s revolution….fair enough….seems like the right thing to do….vive la revolution!  | |||
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"Labour said they would stick with the Brexit clusterfuck. They're too afraid to talk about how they would mitigate against the ongoing damage it's causing. Too worried they'd lose votes, so they have to pretend it was a good idea to leave the EU. I’m waiting for someone to wake up to EURP. European Union Rejoin Party. (It’s the best I could think of) At some point in the not to distant future, those that wanted to remain will far outnumber those that wanted to leave, call it natural attrition. They will need a party to lean into, that the big 2 won’t provide through fear. The big 2 will see the swing and bingo. It feels so obvious as an outcome And tomorrows lottery number are??? I’ve cut the post down for ease of reading. Do you think what I’ve suggested is far fetched? Of course it isn't. These things are cyclical. To older people, it doesn't seem 5 mins since we were being encouraged into the EEC in the mid 70s and then in the mid 10s we're out again! So what you're saying is not far fetched but there'll be a similar gap of several decades. As Keir Starmer realises. Hence his latest 'Make Brexit Work' approach I agree. Rejoining anytime soon isn't going to happen. What we need is a political party that can face up to the clusterfuck brexit created and work to limit the damage. Yes, as already suggested, the reverse scenario of UKIP. UKIP being the political party that was able to face up to the cluster fuck that ever closer EU integration, EU meddling, corruption and the economic nonsense of the euro currency, had created. David Cameron tried a meet-in-the-middle approach but EU apparatchiks gave him next to nothing. You've strayed into conspiracy theory territory here. A reverse UKIP won't ever make sense, rejoining the EU wouldn't fix most of the damage done, and as mentioned, we wouldn't have the privileged position we once had." An interesting point. So if the UK was offered to re join the EU but on normal terms ( maybe even keeping the pound as a sweetener) would you be against that? | |||
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"Labour said they would stick with the Brexit clusterfuck. They're too afraid to talk about how they would mitigate against the ongoing damage it's causing. Too worried they'd lose votes, so they have to pretend it was a good idea to leave the EU. I’m waiting for someone to wake up to EURP. European Union Rejoin Party. (It’s the best I could think of) At some point in the not to distant future, those that wanted to remain will far outnumber those that wanted to leave, call it natural attrition. They will need a party to lean into, that the big 2 won’t provide through fear. The big 2 will see the swing and bingo. It feels so obvious as an outcome And tomorrows lottery number are??? I’ve cut the post down for ease of reading. Do you think what I’ve suggested is far fetched? Of course it isn't. These things are cyclical. To older people, it doesn't seem 5 mins since we were being encouraged into the EEC in the mid 70s and then in the mid 10s we're out again! So what you're saying is not far fetched but there'll be a similar gap of several decades. As Keir Starmer realises. Hence his latest 'Make Brexit Work' approach I agree. Rejoining anytime soon isn't going to happen. What we need is a political party that can face up to the clusterfuck brexit created and work to limit the damage. Yes, as already suggested, the reverse scenario of UKIP. UKIP being the political party that was able to face up to the cluster fuck that ever closer EU integration, EU meddling, corruption and the economic nonsense of the euro currency, had created. David Cameron tried a meet-in-the-middle approach but EU apparatchiks gave him next to nothing. You've strayed into conspiracy theory territory here. A reverse UKIP won't ever make sense, rejoining the EU wouldn't fix most of the damage done, and as mentioned, we wouldn't have the privileged position we once had. An interesting point. So if the UK was offered to re join the EU but on normal terms ( maybe even keeping the pound as a sweetener) would you be against that?" Honestly, I don't think another referendum is a good idea. The last one was a disaster, full of lies and misinformation and the leave campaigns were illegally funded. Democracy only works when it's free and fair. But if there was one, I would more likely vote to rejoin, but it would depend on what kind of rejoin was on offer. I'm not bothered about the Euro or not. I lived in Eurozone counties for years, works just fine. | |||
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"Labour said they would stick with the Brexit clusterfuck. They're too afraid to talk about how they would mitigate against the ongoing damage it's causing. Too worried they'd lose votes, so they have to pretend it was a good idea to leave the EU. I’m waiting for someone to wake up to EURP. European Union Rejoin Party. (It’s the best I could think of) At some point in the not to distant future, those that wanted to remain will far outnumber those that wanted to leave, call it natural attrition. They will need a party to lean into, that the big 2 won’t provide through fear. The big 2 will see the swing and bingo. It feels so obvious as an outcome And tomorrows lottery number are??? I’ve cut the post down for ease of reading. Do you think what I’ve suggested is far fetched? Of course it isn't. These things are cyclical. To older people, it doesn't seem 5 mins since we were being encouraged into the EEC in the mid 70s and then in the mid 10s we're out again! So what you're saying is not far fetched but there'll be a similar gap of several decades. As Keir Starmer realises. Hence his latest 'Make Brexit Work' approach I agree. Rejoining anytime soon isn't going to happen. What we need is a political party that can face up to the clusterfuck brexit created and work to limit the damage. Yes, as already suggested, the reverse scenario of UKIP. UKIP being the political party that was able to face up to the cluster fuck that ever closer EU integration, EU meddling, corruption and the economic nonsense of the euro currency, had created. David Cameron tried a meet-in-the-middle approach but EU apparatchiks gave him next to nothing. You've strayed into conspiracy theory territory here. A reverse UKIP won't ever make sense, rejoining the EU wouldn't fix most of the damage done, and as mentioned, we wouldn't have the privileged position we once had. An interesting point. So if the UK was offered to re join the EU but on normal terms ( maybe even keeping the pound as a sweetener) would you be against that? Honestly, I don't think another referendum is a good idea. The last one was a disaster, full of lies and misinformation and the leave campaigns were illegally funded. Democracy only works when it's free and fair. But if there was one, I would more likely vote to rejoin, but it would depend on what kind of rejoin was on offer. I'm not bothered about the Euro or not. I lived in Eurozone counties for years, works just fine. " So a little confused about that answer given your previous post but most likely me misunderstanding. I agree on another referendum being bad and obviously this is hypothetical. So what I'm asking is would you support the UK joining the EU in the same way as any new country has to ( assuming we met the criteria). So not the arrangement the UK had pre brexit but just like any country that is seeking to join. | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. Ha ha ha the same old cobblers you always churn out….so what has 12 years of Tory austerity brought us? Stagnation of wages, the highest tax burden in over 70 years, 11 per cent inflation, a chancellor who forgot that the negotiated interest on government borrowing was about to come up and therefore we paid £5bn more than we needed, the outright corruption of the fast lane for PPE and Covid contracts, a cretinous prime minister and chancellor who cost at least £8bn (potentially £50bn) and yet it’s all Labours fault? Unbelievable
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I wouldn’t say angry…more despairing of the gormless shite people post on here Pat
Pat is here to troll the Tories by posting the most ridiculous OTT pro Tory nonsense he can think of.". Maybe time for a reality check and see what happens in the real world , not Cyberland. Last time I checked the Conservatives were the ruling party and have won the last three general elections. On a simplistic basis it simply shows how popular they are. They may be a few points down in the opinion polls currently but there is sufficient time in the next two years to rectify this. Let's hope the next election is as successfull as the last one . Boris Johnson achieved a stunning election success in 2019. | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. Ha ha ha the same old cobblers you always churn out….so what has 12 years of Tory austerity brought us? Stagnation of wages, the highest tax burden in over 70 years, 11 per cent inflation, a chancellor who forgot that the negotiated interest on government borrowing was about to come up and therefore we paid £5bn more than we needed, the outright corruption of the fast lane for PPE and Covid contracts, a cretinous prime minister and chancellor who cost at least £8bn (potentially £50bn) and yet it’s all Labours fault? Unbelievable
You sound a bit angry for someone with a liberal left-leaning outlook on life
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I wouldn’t say angry…more despairing of the gormless shite people post on here Pat
Pat is here to troll the Tories by posting the most ridiculous OTT pro Tory nonsense he can think of.. Maybe time for a reality check and see what happens in the real world , not Cyberland. Last time I checked the Conservatives were the ruling party and have won the last three general elections. On a simplistic basis it simply shows how popular they are. They may be a few points down in the opinion polls currently but there is sufficient time in the next two years to rectify this. Let's hope the next election is as successfull as the last one . Boris Johnson achieved a stunning election success in 2019. "You've respawned, Pat. Welcome | |||
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"Labour said they would stick with the Brexit clusterfuck. They're too afraid to talk about how they would mitigate against the ongoing damage it's causing. Too worried they'd lose votes, so they have to pretend it was a good idea to leave the EU. I’m waiting for someone to wake up to EURP. European Union Rejoin Party. (It’s the best I could think of) At some point in the not to distant future, those that wanted to remain will far outnumber those that wanted to leave, call it natural attrition. They will need a party to lean into, that the big 2 won’t provide through fear. The big 2 will see the swing and bingo. It feels so obvious as an outcome And tomorrows lottery number are??? I’ve cut the post down for ease of reading. Do you think what I’ve suggested is far fetched? Of course it isn't. These things are cyclical. To older people, it doesn't seem 5 mins since we were being encouraged into the EEC in the mid 70s and then in the mid 10s we're out again! So what you're saying is not far fetched but there'll be a similar gap of several decades. As Keir Starmer realises. Hence his latest 'Make Brexit Work' approach I agree. Rejoining anytime soon isn't going to happen. What we need is a political party that can face up to the clusterfuck brexit created and work to limit the damage. Yes, as already suggested, the reverse scenario of UKIP. UKIP being the political party that was able to face up to the cluster fuck that ever closer EU integration, EU meddling, corruption and the economic nonsense of the euro currency, had created. David Cameron tried a meet-in-the-middle approach but EU apparatchiks gave him next to nothing. You've strayed into conspiracy theory territory here. A reverse UKIP won't ever make sense, rejoining the EU wouldn't fix most of the damage done, and as mentioned, we wouldn't have the privileged position we once had. An interesting point. So if the UK was offered to re join the EU but on normal terms ( maybe even keeping the pound as a sweetener) would you be against that? Honestly, I don't think another referendum is a good idea. The last one was a disaster, full of lies and misinformation and the leave campaigns were illegally funded. Democracy only works when it's free and fair. But if there was one, I would more likely vote to rejoin, but it would depend on what kind of rejoin was on offer. I'm not bothered about the Euro or not. I lived in Eurozone counties for years, works just fine. So a little confused about that answer given your previous post but most likely me misunderstanding. I agree on another referendum being bad and obviously this is hypothetical. So what I'm asking is would you support the UK joining the EU in the same way as any new country has to ( assuming we met the criteria). So not the arrangement the UK had pre brexit but just like any country that is seeking to join. " Ha, sorry for the waffle. Probably would support it. It would lessen the ongoing damage done. | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. Ha ha ha the same old cobblers you always churn out….so what has 12 years of Tory austerity brought us? Stagnation of wages, the highest tax burden in over 70 years, 11 per cent inflation, a chancellor who forgot that the negotiated interest on government borrowing was about to come up and therefore we paid £5bn more than we needed, the outright corruption of the fast lane for PPE and Covid contracts, a cretinous prime minister and chancellor who cost at least £8bn (potentially £50bn) and yet it’s all Labours fault? Unbelievable
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I wouldn’t say angry…more despairing of the gormless shite people post on here Pat
Pat is here to troll the Tories by posting the most ridiculous OTT pro Tory nonsense he can think of.. Maybe time for a reality check and see what happens in the real world , not Cyberland. Last time I checked the Conservatives were the ruling party and have won the last three general elections. On a simplistic basis it simply shows how popular they are. They may be a few points down in the opinion polls currently but there is sufficient time in the next two years to rectify this. Let's hope the next election is as successfull as the last one . Boris Johnson achieved a stunning election success in 2019. "Lol | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. Ha ha ha the same old cobblers you always churn out….so what has 12 years of Tory austerity brought us? Stagnation of wages, the highest tax burden in over 70 years, 11 per cent inflation, a chancellor who forgot that the negotiated interest on government borrowing was about to come up and therefore we paid £5bn more than we needed, the outright corruption of the fast lane for PPE and Covid contracts, a cretinous prime minister and chancellor who cost at least £8bn (potentially £50bn) and yet it’s all Labours fault? Unbelievable
You sound a bit angry for someone with a liberal left-leaning outlook on life
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I wouldn’t say angry…more despairing of the gormless shite people post on here Pat
Pat is here to troll the Tories by posting the most ridiculous OTT pro Tory nonsense he can think of.. Maybe time for a reality check and see what happens in the real world , not Cyberland. Last time I checked the Conservatives were the ruling party and have won the last three general elections. On a simplistic basis it simply shows how popular they are. They may be a few points down in the opinion polls currently but there is sufficient time in the next two years to rectify this. Let's hope the next election is as successfull as the last one . Boris Johnson achieved a stunning election success in 2019. ""on a simplistic basis it just shows..." How the FPTP system favours a party that's voted for by a minority of the population. They are not very popular | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. Ah the Liam Byrne note! The one that made a bad joke about “there’s no money” which then got misquoted as “there’s no money left” which still completely ignores the point I was making about the Govt never actually having no money! If that were the case the UK would have ground to a halt and collapsed (ie it could not pay for anything). Of course it didn’t did it! It’s become such an inaccurate trope! Banking deregulation...hmmm who started that and continued to support it and who now wants to bring it back in? Clue...it wasn’t Labour! Have you actually looked at the stats for Govt borrowing for the years Labour was in power and compared to the last 12 years? I posted that info in a thread couple of months back. Makes interesting reading/comparison." Thoughts on the Liam Byrne note, by some bloke called.............Liam Byrne. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/09/liam-byrne-apology-letter-there-is-no-money-labour-general-election Winston | |||
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"Labour said they would stick with the Brexit clusterfuck. They're too afraid to talk about how they would mitigate against the ongoing damage it's causing. Too worried they'd lose votes, so they have to pretend it was a good idea to leave the EU. I’m waiting for someone to wake up to EURP. European Union Rejoin Party. (It’s the best I could think of) At some point in the not to distant future, those that wanted to remain will far outnumber those that wanted to leave, call it natural attrition. They will need a party to lean into, that the big 2 won’t provide through fear. The big 2 will see the swing and bingo. It feels so obvious as an outcome And tomorrows lottery number are??? I’ve cut the post down for ease of reading. Do you think what I’ve suggested is far fetched? Of course it isn't. These things are cyclical. To older people, it doesn't seem 5 mins since we were being encouraged into the EEC in the mid 70s and then in the mid 10s we're out again! So what you're saying is not far fetched but there'll be a similar gap of several decades. As Keir Starmer realises. Hence his latest 'Make Brexit Work' approach I agree. Rejoining anytime soon isn't going to happen. What we need is a political party that can face up to the clusterfuck brexit created and work to limit the damage. Yes, as already suggested, the reverse scenario of UKIP. UKIP being the political party that was able to face up to the cluster fuck that ever closer EU integration, EU meddling, corruption and the economic nonsense of the euro currency, had created. David Cameron tried a meet-in-the-middle approach but EU apparatchiks gave him next to nothing. You've strayed into conspiracy theory territory here. A reverse UKIP won't ever make sense, rejoining the EU wouldn't fix most of the damage done, and as mentioned, we wouldn't have the privileged position we once had. An interesting point. So if the UK was offered to re join the EU but on normal terms ( maybe even keeping the pound as a sweetener) would you be against that? Honestly, I don't think another referendum is a good idea. The last one was a disaster, full of lies and misinformation and the leave campaigns were illegally funded. Democracy only works when it's free and fair. But if there was one, I would more likely vote to rejoin, but it would depend on what kind of rejoin was on offer. I'm not bothered about the Euro or not. I lived in Eurozone counties for years, works just fine. So a little confused about that answer given your previous post but most likely me misunderstanding. I agree on another referendum being bad and obviously this is hypothetical. So what I'm asking is would you support the UK joining the EU in the same way as any new country has to ( assuming we met the criteria). So not the arrangement the UK had pre brexit but just like any country that is seeking to join. Ha, sorry for the waffle. Probably would support it. It would lessen the ongoing damage done. " Thanks | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. Ha ha ha the same old cobblers you always churn out….so what has 12 years of Tory austerity brought us? Stagnation of wages, the highest tax burden in over 70 years, 11 per cent inflation, a chancellor who forgot that the negotiated interest on government borrowing was about to come up and therefore we paid £5bn more than we needed, the outright corruption of the fast lane for PPE and Covid contracts, a cretinous prime minister and chancellor who cost at least £8bn (potentially £50bn) and yet it’s all Labours fault? Unbelievable
You sound a bit angry for someone with a liberal left-leaning outlook on life
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I wouldn’t say angry…more despairing of the gormless shite people post on here Pat
Pat is here to troll the Tories by posting the most ridiculous OTT pro Tory nonsense he can think of.. Maybe time for a reality check and see what happens in the real world , not Cyberland. Last time I checked the Conservatives were the ruling party and have won the last three general elections. On a simplistic basis it simply shows how popular they are. They may be a few points down in the opinion polls currently but there is sufficient time in the next two years to rectify this. Let's hope the next election is as successfull as the last one . Boris Johnson achieved a stunning election success in 2019. "Whatever happened to Boris?? | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. Ha ha ha the same old cobblers you always churn out….so what has 12 years of Tory austerity brought us? Stagnation of wages, the highest tax burden in over 70 years, 11 per cent inflation, a chancellor who forgot that the negotiated interest on government borrowing was about to come up and therefore we paid £5bn more than we needed, the outright corruption of the fast lane for PPE and Covid contracts, a cretinous prime minister and chancellor who cost at least £8bn (potentially £50bn) and yet it’s all Labours fault? Unbelievable
You sound a bit angry for someone with a liberal left-leaning outlook on life
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I wouldn’t say angry…more despairing of the gormless shite people post on here Pat
Pat is here to troll the Tories by posting the most ridiculous OTT pro Tory nonsense he can think of.. Maybe time for a reality check and see what happens in the real world , not Cyberland. Last time I checked the Conservatives were the ruling party and have won the last three general elections. On a simplistic basis it simply shows how popular they are. They may be a few points down in the opinion polls currently but there is sufficient time in the next two years to rectify this. Let's hope the next election is as successfull as the last one . Boris Johnson achieved a stunning election success in 2019.
Whatever happened to Boris??"he left office about the same time as Pat left fab irrc. He then went on a holiday during term time. Hes back now (possibly). Coincidence ? | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. Ha ha ha the same old cobblers you always churn out….so what has 12 years of Tory austerity brought us? Stagnation of wages, the highest tax burden in over 70 years, 11 per cent inflation, a chancellor who forgot that the negotiated interest on government borrowing was about to come up and therefore we paid £5bn more than we needed, the outright corruption of the fast lane for PPE and Covid contracts, a cretinous prime minister and chancellor who cost at least £8bn (potentially £50bn) and yet it’s all Labours fault? Unbelievable
You sound a bit angry for someone with a liberal left-leaning outlook on life
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I wouldn’t say angry…more despairing of the gormless shite people post on here Pat
Pat is here to troll the Tories by posting the most ridiculous OTT pro Tory nonsense he can think of.. Maybe time for a reality check and see what happens in the real world , not Cyberland. Last time I checked the Conservatives were the ruling party and have won the last three general elections. On a simplistic basis it simply shows how popular they are. They may be a few points down in the opinion polls currently but there is sufficient time in the next two years to rectify this. Let's hope the next election is as successfull as the last one . Boris Johnson achieved a stunning election success in 2019.
Whatever happened to Boris??"He was forced to leave Government for being a lying, narcissistic hypocrite who not only failed to set an example to his country but also couldn't be bothered to represent his constituency and has now apparently earned £1m recycling the same speech. He'll probably release some NFTs next like the other guy... | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. Ha ha ha the same old cobblers you always churn out….so what has 12 years of Tory austerity brought us? Stagnation of wages, the highest tax burden in over 70 years, 11 per cent inflation, a chancellor who forgot that the negotiated interest on government borrowing was about to come up and therefore we paid £5bn more than we needed, the outright corruption of the fast lane for PPE and Covid contracts, a cretinous prime minister and chancellor who cost at least £8bn (potentially £50bn) and yet it’s all Labours fault? Unbelievable
You sound a bit angry for someone with a liberal left-leaning outlook on life
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I wouldn’t say angry…more despairing of the gormless shite people post on here Pat
Pat is here to troll the Tories by posting the most ridiculous OTT pro Tory nonsense he can think of.. Maybe time for a reality check and see what happens in the real world , not Cyberland. Last time I checked the Conservatives were the ruling party and have won the last three general elections. On a simplistic basis it simply shows how popular they are. They may be a few points down in the opinion polls currently but there is sufficient time in the next two years to rectify this. Let's hope the next election is as successfull as the last one . Boris Johnson achieved a stunning election success in 2019.
Whatever happened to Boris??
He was forced to leave Government for being a lying, narcissistic hypocrite who not only failed to set an example to his country but also couldn't be bothered to represent his constituency and has now apparently earned £1m recycling the same speech.
He'll probably release some NFTs next like the other guy...". As far as I am aware he was not forced to resign , he took the decision on a voluntary basis . A true measure of his success was the fact that all his opponents were constantly searching for any minor mistakes. They could not accept his success and an 80 seat majority. . That certainly put many people in their place . Apart from his election success he swiftly got us out of the EU and his policies saved many lives during the Covid crisis. Let's hope he stands again. | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. Ah the Liam Byrne note! The one that made a bad joke about “there’s no money” which then got misquoted as “there’s no money left” which still completely ignores the point I was making about the Govt never actually having no money! If that were the case the UK would have ground to a halt and collapsed (ie it could not pay for anything). Of course it didn’t did it! It’s become such an inaccurate trope! Banking deregulation...hmmm who started that and continued to support it and who now wants to bring it back in? Clue...it wasn’t Labour! Have you actually looked at the stats for Govt borrowing for the years Labour was in power and compared to the last 12 years? I posted that info in a thread couple of months back. Makes interesting reading/comparison. Thoughts on the Liam Byrne note, by some bloke called.............Liam Byrne. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/09/liam-byrne-apology-letter-there-is-no-money-labour-general-election Winston " Thanks Winston but pretty sure most (who are interested) have seen this article. Nobody is defending the note itself (it was damned stupid) but the whole “labour spent all the money” is economically illiterate. It simply isn’t how Govt finances work. The financial crisis sparked a global recession that increased the deficit (b/w tax receipts and Govt spending) and meant Govt had to borrow from the markets by issuing gilts. The poster who I was responding to gives the Tories a pass for the financial mess we are in now due to “exogenous circumstances” (ie pandemic) but refuses to give Labour a pass for “exogenous circumstances” (ie the global financial crisis). The same poster talks about Labour’s financial mismanagement between 1997-2007 but this is a fallacy as statistics clearly demonstrate. Whoever came into power in 2010 had an uncomfortable task ahead of them if they were fixed on the path of reducing the deficit and paying off debts in a given period (remember that is an ideological choice as you could choose to pay the debt back over a longer period). There were two choices (or a combo), austerity (ie a reduction in public sector spending) or tax increases. Austerity disproportionately impacts the poorer in society. The coalition and then Tory govts focused on austerity. They did manage to reduce the deficit (although given significant help by an upswing in the global economy) but govt debt continued to grow to almost double what it was at the end of Labour’s term in office (and that was before the pandemic). | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. Ha ha ha the same old cobblers you always churn out….so what has 12 years of Tory austerity brought us? Stagnation of wages, the highest tax burden in over 70 years, 11 per cent inflation, a chancellor who forgot that the negotiated interest on government borrowing was about to come up and therefore we paid £5bn more than we needed, the outright corruption of the fast lane for PPE and Covid contracts, a cretinous prime minister and chancellor who cost at least £8bn (potentially £50bn) and yet it’s all Labours fault? Unbelievable
You sound a bit angry for someone with a liberal left-leaning outlook on life
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I wouldn’t say angry…more despairing of the gormless shite people post on here Pat
Pat is here to troll the Tories by posting the most ridiculous OTT pro Tory nonsense he can think of.. Maybe time for a reality check and see what happens in the real world , not Cyberland. Last time I checked the Conservatives were the ruling party and have won the last three general elections. On a simplistic basis it simply shows how popular they are. They may be a few points down in the opinion polls currently but there is sufficient time in the next two years to rectify this. Let's hope the next election is as successfull as the last one . Boris Johnson achieved a stunning election success in 2019.
Whatever happened to Boris??
He was forced to leave Government for being a lying, narcissistic hypocrite who not only failed to set an example to his country but also couldn't be bothered to represent his constituency and has now apparently earned £1m recycling the same speech.
He'll probably release some NFTs next like the other guy.... As far as I am aware he was not forced to resign , he took the decision on a voluntary basis . A true measure of his success was the fact that all his opponents were constantly searching for any minor mistakes. They could not accept his success and an 80 seat majority. . That certainly put many people in their place . Apart from his election success he swiftly got us out of the EU and his policies saved many lives during the Covid crisis. Let's hope he stands again. "A better bet than the other Tory leader you gave your full support to...where is Truss these days? Must be hard for you to accept that “traitor” Sunak in No.10? No wonder you stayed quiet for a few months. | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. Ha ha ha the same old cobblers you always churn out….so what has 12 years of Tory austerity brought us? Stagnation of wages, the highest tax burden in over 70 years, 11 per cent inflation, a chancellor who forgot that the negotiated interest on government borrowing was about to come up and therefore we paid £5bn more than we needed, the outright corruption of the fast lane for PPE and Covid contracts, a cretinous prime minister and chancellor who cost at least £8bn (potentially £50bn) and yet it’s all Labours fault? Unbelievable
You sound a bit angry for someone with a liberal left-leaning outlook on life
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I wouldn’t say angry…more despairing of the gormless shite people post on here Pat
Pat is here to troll the Tories by posting the most ridiculous OTT pro Tory nonsense he can think of.. Maybe time for a reality check and see what happens in the real world , not Cyberland. Last time I checked the Conservatives were the ruling party and have won the last three general elections. On a simplistic basis it simply shows how popular they are. They may be a few points down in the opinion polls currently but there is sufficient time in the next two years to rectify this. Let's hope the next election is as successfull as the last one . Boris Johnson achieved a stunning election success in 2019.
Whatever happened to Boris??
He was forced to leave Government for being a lying, narcissistic hypocrite who not only failed to set an example to his country but also couldn't be bothered to represent his constituency and has now apparently earned £1m recycling the same speech.
He'll probably release some NFTs next like the other guy.... As far as I am aware he was not forced to resign , he took the decision on a voluntary basis . A true measure of his success was the fact that all his opponents were constantly searching for any minor mistakes. They could not accept his success and an 80 seat majority. . That certainly put many people in their place . Apart from his election success he swiftly got us out of the EU and his policies saved many lives during the Covid crisis. Let's hope he stands again. "for PM or just as an MP? It is always the little things that trip you up isn't it. Like attending parties in lock down, attending parties with certain russians (and not mentioning it) and appointing sex pest into roles of power. In the end it was the MPs in his majority that causes him to jump before he was pushed. Not those jealous of his success, but those who had benefited. That's how far he fell. His greatest successes also hold a mirror up to his greatest failures. | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. Ha ha ha the same old cobblers you always churn out….so what has 12 years of Tory austerity brought us? Stagnation of wages, the highest tax burden in over 70 years, 11 per cent inflation, a chancellor who forgot that the negotiated interest on government borrowing was about to come up and therefore we paid £5bn more than we needed, the outright corruption of the fast lane for PPE and Covid contracts, a cretinous prime minister and chancellor who cost at least £8bn (potentially £50bn) and yet it’s all Labours fault? Unbelievable
You sound a bit angry for someone with a liberal left-leaning outlook on life
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I wouldn’t say angry…more despairing of the gormless shite people post on here Pat
Pat is here to troll the Tories by posting the most ridiculous OTT pro Tory nonsense he can think of.. Maybe time for a reality check and see what happens in the real world , not Cyberland. Last time I checked the Conservatives were the ruling party and have won the last three general elections. On a simplistic basis it simply shows how popular they are. They may be a few points down in the opinion polls currently but there is sufficient time in the next two years to rectify this. Let's hope the next election is as successfull as the last one . Boris Johnson achieved a stunning election success in 2019.
Whatever happened to Boris??
He was forced to leave Government for being a lying, narcissistic hypocrite who not only failed to set an example to his country but also couldn't be bothered to represent his constituency and has now apparently earned £1m recycling the same speech.
He'll probably release some NFTs next like the other guy.... As far as I am aware he was not forced to resign , he took the decision on a voluntary basis . A true measure of his success was the fact that all his opponents were constantly searching for any minor mistakes. They could not accept his success and an 80 seat majority. . That certainly put many people in their place . Apart from his election success he swiftly got us out of the EU and his policies saved many lives during the Covid crisis. Let's hope he stands again. "Lolz. Some of your very finest work. I properly lolled | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. Strange how you fail to mention the level of net profit and dividends paid out by privatised water companies over the same period, ie gross under investment in order to maintain shareholder value. Also just stop with the whole... “Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always)” 1. Govt can always “make” and borrow money by issuing Gilts or Quantitative Easing (as the Tories have enjoyed doing). 2. Aren’t you the person who gives the Tories a pass for economic mismanagement due to exogenous circumstances (Covid) but do not extend the same to Labour (2007/8 financial crisis)? If nationalisation is the answer, strange why Labour didn't bother in 13 years. Labour did run out of money, evidenced by the crass note left by Labour's Liam Byrne for the new Tory Chancellor. Yes, everyone understands about QE, but it does need to be paid back. You're obviously getting too many free lunches down on the coast there. I'd give any Govt a pass for economic difficulty due to exogenous circumstances (like Covid) but would not extend the same to Labour for banking deregulation and gross economic mismanagement exacerbating the 2008 situation. Well observed. I'm also angered by the temporary Truss turbulence tenure (TTTT) but the damage from the TTTT is now virtually repaired and we're left like many countries tackling the effects of covid and Ukraine. Labour barring a miracle are likely to be voted in in 2024/25 and naturally Captain Hindsight will use the TTTT for the next decade. Ha ha ha the same old cobblers you always churn out….so what has 12 years of Tory austerity brought us? Stagnation of wages, the highest tax burden in over 70 years, 11 per cent inflation, a chancellor who forgot that the negotiated interest on government borrowing was about to come up and therefore we paid £5bn more than we needed, the outright corruption of the fast lane for PPE and Covid contracts, a cretinous prime minister and chancellor who cost at least £8bn (potentially £50bn) and yet it’s all Labours fault? Unbelievable
You sound a bit angry for someone with a liberal left-leaning outlook on life
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I wouldn’t say angry…more despairing of the gormless shite people post on here Pat
Pat is here to troll the Tories by posting the most ridiculous OTT pro Tory nonsense he can think of.. Maybe time for a reality check and see what happens in the real world , not Cyberland. Last time I checked the Conservatives were the ruling party and have won the last three general elections. On a simplistic basis it simply shows how popular they are. They may be a few points down in the opinion polls currently but there is sufficient time in the next two years to rectify this. Let's hope the next election is as successfull as the last one . Boris Johnson achieved a stunning election success in 2019.
Whatever happened to Boris??
He was forced to leave Government for being a lying, narcissistic hypocrite who not only failed to set an example to his country but also couldn't be bothered to represent his constituency and has now apparently earned £1m recycling the same speech.
He'll probably release some NFTs next like the other guy.... As far as I am aware he was not forced to resign , he took the decision on a voluntary basis . A true measure of his success was the fact that all his opponents were constantly searching for any minor mistakes. They could not accept his success and an 80 seat majority. . That certainly put many people in their place . Apart from his election success he swiftly got us out of the EU and his policies saved many lives during the Covid crisis. Let's hope he stands again. "How many profiles has Pat got now? | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. " As much as I hate Tories (and I do) Labour would probably be worse running the country | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. As much as I hate Tories (and I do) Labour would probably be worse running the country" A bit random | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. As much as I hate Tories (and I do) Labour would probably be worse running the country" How could any other party possibly be any worse? | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. As much as I hate Tories (and I do) Labour would probably be worse running the country How could any other party possibly be any worse?" yes, Lib Dems, SNP even BNP and maybe UKIP | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. As much as I hate Tories (and I do) Labour would probably be worse running the country How could any other party possibly be any worse? yes, Lib Dems, SNP even BNP and maybe UKIP" Sure maybe BNP and UKIP. None of the other parties would get away with such narcissistic self serving behaviour. | |||
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"The UK under the Tories is literally turning to shit! Water companies have increased their raw sewage discharges into Britain's seas and rivers by 2,553% since 2016, pumping untreated sewage for more than nine million hours according to Environment Agency data. You failed to mention that that's according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data. Still, you're right that things are not good, but the situation has been getting steadily worse for decades, but accelerated dramatically after 2003 - under Labour. Water companies say that a growing population has created untenable pressure on the water system and that it is not sensible to increase the population of the UK from 58 million in 2001 to 67.33 million in 2021 and expect an outdated Victorian infrastructure to cope with all the extra crap. Labour ran out of money by 2010 to fix the issues and left the Tories to clear up the crap (don't they always) To prevent sewage backing up into people’s homes and businesses as a result, water companies are legally allowed to discharge the excess into waterways like the sea via sewage pipes. I would have liked the Tories to have done more once they broke free of the Lib Dems in 2015, but there have been so many demands on the public finances like covid and Ukraine that we will probably get to 2025 and vote Labour in again for another 13 years and take the population to 80 million exacerbating all the issues increasing populations bring, when you have no infrastructure plan to match. Oh, I forgot, Labour have a plan this time. For everything. Or so they say. As much as I hate Tories (and I do) Labour would probably be worse running the country How could any other party possibly be any worse? yes, Lib Dems, SNP even BNP and maybe UKIP Sure maybe BNP and UKIP. None of the other parties would get away with such narcissistic self serving behaviour. " You'd vote for whom | |||
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