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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? " who's saying it's the nasty western civilization that's only to blame ? | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? " Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. " NASA have an excellent climate website. You can Google it. It has everything explained. If you learn about what's happening, and what the impact people have had since the industrial revolution, you'll be able to follow what's going on in the world. | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. " This.. And Seb, maybe ask them why they are not protesting for what you think is a more valid reason.. If that is the case? | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. This.. And Seb, maybe ask them why they are not protesting for what you think is a more valid reason.. If that is the case?" Ay? | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? " from what I've just read, the famine affected mainly the self sufficient farmers. Is that rightSeb? If so, the relevant statistics is increase in population in this region. Pakistan had record heat I. April and then the monsoon has been for twice as long as average with 3x rainfall. Now, over population will make the impacts worse. But it's seen extreme weather. This isnt flooding caused by fucking about with rivers. | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. " Oh but he'd have to read to do that. He might even have to stop trolling too. | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? " Who are "they"? Who is persecuting "the West"? What is "their" agenda? The logic behind this is, of course, that the West industrialised far earlier than the rest of the World and has emitted more comparatively than the rest of the world. "The West" has benefited considerably from this early industrialisation but the consequences are suffered disproportionately by poorer nations in the global South. As a starting point, you seem to believe that two events contradict all of the observations a long-term global phenomenon. Multiple sources, multiple locations over an extended period of time. Without going into any detail it is possible to have a number of events happen for an unrelated reason or be contradictory but that is nothing but statistical variation compared to an overwhelming trend in the data. It may be that what has happened in Pakistan or Madagascar is due to the reasons that you state. It could be that there have always been flooding disasters in Pakistan or overpopulation in Madagascar. There may be correlation but not causation. What information do you actually have to back your assertion relative to the background of extreme climatic events globally occuring more frequently? It's also possible that there are multiple causes leading to such disasters, is it not? What are the sources of data and analysis that you trust more than the scientific consensus. | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. This.. And Seb, maybe ask them why they are not protesting for what you think is a more valid reason.. If that is the case? Ay? " Nay Seb.. It's really dead easy to suss out what their agenda or cause is as it's in their name which you spotted.. 
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? " No it seems related to climate change. Think about it populations increase, demand for resources increase more resources get burned, more CO2 in the atmosphere, all the argument proves is that we as a species have caused this. | |||
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"The net zero fantasy is unravelling much more quickly than expected. Of course all the climate alarmists can do is double down and blame the energy crisis on Putin and us not having built enough windmills. But they are running out of road and the excuses are going to dry up. Electric cars getting more expensive to run, soon to be taxed, no infrastructure, no wonder miniscule sales are flatlining. Heat pumps an expensive joke. And phasing out fossil fuels before there is any viable alternative has led to unaffordable energy bills and another massive increase in borrowing, money printing, inflation, interest rates. But the eco zealots and politicians are hooked on the Kool Aid. Expect things to get way worse before they improve." Net zero remains a fantasy while people are as confused about climate change as this. | |||
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"The net zero fantasy is unravelling much more quickly than expected. Of course all the climate alarmists can do is double down and blame the energy crisis on Putin and us not having built enough windmills. But they are running out of road and the excuses are going to dry up. Electric cars getting more expensive to run, soon to be taxed, no infrastructure, no wonder miniscule sales are flatlining. Heat pumps an expensive joke. And phasing out fossil fuels before there is any viable alternative has led to unaffordable energy bills and another massive increase in borrowing, money printing, inflation, interest rates. But the eco zealots and politicians are hooked on the Kool Aid. Expect things to get way worse before they improve." I thought the energy inflation was Russia etc. Plus OPEC controlling supply. Which afaik ismt down to a green agenda. But yeah, we do need to invest more to get there, and do that before dialling down old fuel sources. But not sure if that is what we doing ... | |||
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"The net zero fantasy is unravelling much more quickly than expected. Of course all the climate alarmists can do is double down and blame the energy crisis on Putin and us not having built enough windmills. But they are running out of road and the excuses are going to dry up. Electric cars getting more expensive to run, soon to be taxed, no infrastructure, no wonder miniscule sales are flatlining. Heat pumps an expensive joke. And phasing out fossil fuels before there is any viable alternative has led to unaffordable energy bills and another massive increase in borrowing, money printing, inflation, interest rates. But the eco zealots and politicians are hooked on the Kool Aid. Expect things to get way worse before they improve.I thought the energy inflation was Russia etc. Plus OPEC controlling supply. Which afaik ismt down to a green agenda. But yeah, we do need to invest more to get there, and do that before dialling down old fuel sources. But not sure if that is what we doing ..." We're not doing it. We need to do, what this guy's thinks we're doing. We need the government to prioritise energy independence, investment in renewables instead of propping up the fossil fuels industry making all the existing problems worse. | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. Oh but he'd have to read to do that. He might even have to stop trolling too." Stop being so rude. | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. Oh but he'd have to read to do that. He might even have to stop trolling too. Stop being so rude." How was I rude? I thought I was simply being factual. | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. Oh but he'd have to read to do that. He might even have to stop trolling too. Stop being so rude." So you're not trolling, and you actually believe all the self contradictory, confused, weird nonsense you post about your fear of foreigners, climate science not being real etc? Some people were giving you the benefit of the doubt. | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. Oh but he'd have to read to do that. He might even have to stop trolling too. Stop being so rude. So you're not trolling, and you actually believe all the self contradictory, confused, weird nonsense you post about your fear of foreigners, climate science not being real etc? Some people were giving you the benefit of the doubt." Fear of foreigners? | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. Oh but he'd have to read to do that. He might even have to stop trolling too. Stop being so rude. So you're not trolling, and you actually believe all the self contradictory, confused, weird nonsense you post about your fear of foreigners, climate science not being real etc? Some people were giving you the benefit of the doubt. Fear of foreigners?" Yep, you're constantly posting about it. You did just now on another thread. Right this second. A rant about Albanians. Unless two people access your account and post up on here? | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. Oh but he'd have to read to do that. He might even have to stop trolling too. Stop being so rude. So you're not trolling, and you actually believe all the self contradictory, confused, weird nonsense you post about your fear of foreigners, climate science not being real etc? Some people were giving you the benefit of the doubt. Fear of foreigners? Yep, you're constantly posting about it. You did just now on another thread. Right this second. A rant about Albanians. Unless two people access your account and post up on here?" It wasn’t a rant about Albanians. Why are you loathe to debate these things and just cry Racist, rant? The enemy within perhaps? | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. Oh but he'd have to read to do that. He might even have to stop trolling too. Stop being so rude. So you're not trolling, and you actually believe all the self contradictory, confused, weird nonsense you post about your fear of foreigners, climate science not being real etc? Some people were giving you the benefit of the doubt. Fear of foreigners? Yep, you're constantly posting about it. You did just now on another thread. Right this second. A rant about Albanians. Unless two people access your account and post up on here? It wasn’t a rant about Albanians. Why are you loathe to debate these things and just cry Racist, rant? The enemy within perhaps? " I've never called you a racist. And we constantly try to debate you, but you just deny the things from your previous post. It's like debating with Baldrick, "just deny everything". | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. Oh but he'd have to read to do that. He might even have to stop trolling too. Stop being so rude. So you're not trolling, and you actually believe all the self contradictory, confused, weird nonsense you post about your fear of foreigners, climate science not being real etc? Some people were giving you the benefit of the doubt. Fear of foreigners? Yep, you're constantly posting about it. You did just now on another thread. Right this second. A rant about Albanians. Unless two people access your account and post up on here? It wasn’t a rant about Albanians. Why are you loathe to debate these things and just cry Racist, rant? The enemy within perhaps? I've never called you a racist. And we constantly try to debate you, but you just deny the things from your previous post. It's like debating with Baldrick, "just deny everything"." I have never posted anything that I wouldn’t debate in person. I haven’t denied anything. I do try to correct when one or two trolls like to pick something out of context or just make things up. Keep it real please. | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? who's saying it's the nasty western civilization that's only to blame ? " I don’t know maybe the eco zealots who are continually blocking roads damaging buildings ect ? According too ok them it’s all the UK’s fault | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. Oh but he'd have to read to do that. He might even have to stop trolling too. Stop being so rude. So you're not trolling, and you actually believe all the self contradictory, confused, weird nonsense you post about your fear of foreigners, climate science not being real etc? Some people were giving you the benefit of the doubt." Don’t be harsh, I am sure Seb will claim he is only joking (again)  | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. Oh but he'd have to read to do that. He might even have to stop trolling too. Stop being so rude. So you're not trolling, and you actually believe all the self contradictory, confused, weird nonsense you post about your fear of foreigners, climate science not being real etc? Some people were giving you the benefit of the doubt. Don’t be harsh, I am sure Seb will claim he is only joking (again) "Seb's like fab's own Jim davidson. | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. Oh but he'd have to read to do that. He might even have to stop trolling too. Stop being so rude. So you're not trolling, and you actually believe all the self contradictory, confused, weird nonsense you post about your fear of foreigners, climate science not being real etc? Some people were giving you the benefit of the doubt. Don’t be harsh, I am sure Seb will claim he is only joking (again)
Seb's like fab's own Jim davidson."Indeed, neither are funny, he says something controversial, gets called out then claims it was a joke, coward | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. Oh but he'd have to read to do that. He might even have to stop trolling too. Stop being so rude. So you're not trolling, and you actually believe all the self contradictory, confused, weird nonsense you post about your fear of foreigners, climate science not being real etc? Some people were giving you the benefit of the doubt. Don’t be harsh, I am sure Seb will claim he is only joking (again) "Will you please stop posting incorrect drivel. Keep it real. | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. Oh but he'd have to read to do that. He might even have to stop trolling too. Stop being so rude. So you're not trolling, and you actually believe all the self contradictory, confused, weird nonsense you post about your fear of foreigners, climate science not being real etc? Some people were giving you the benefit of the doubt. Don’t be harsh, I am sure Seb will claim he is only joking (again)
Seb's like fab's own Jim davidson."Troll | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. Oh but he'd have to read to do that. He might even have to stop trolling too. Stop being so rude. So you're not trolling, and you actually believe all the self contradictory, confused, weird nonsense you post about your fear of foreigners, climate science not being real etc? Some people were giving you the benefit of the doubt. Don’t be harsh, I am sure Seb will claim he is only joking (again)
Seb's like fab's own Jim davidson.
Indeed, neither are funny, he says something controversial, gets called out then claims it was a joke, coward "Please stop posting incorrect drivel. You have never ‘called me out’. You post total nonsense. Coward indeed. | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. Oh but he'd have to read to do that. He might even have to stop trolling too. Stop being so rude. So you're not trolling, and you actually believe all the self contradictory, confused, weird nonsense you post about your fear of foreigners, climate science not being real etc? Some people were giving you the benefit of the doubt. Don’t be harsh, I am sure Seb will claim he is only joking (again)
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. Oh but he'd have to read to do that. He might even have to stop trolling too. Stop being so rude. So you're not trolling, and you actually believe all the self contradictory, confused, weird nonsense you post about your fear of foreigners, climate science not being real etc? Some people were giving you the benefit of the doubt. Don’t be harsh, I am sure Seb will claim he is only joking (again)
Seb's like fab's own Jim davidson.
Troll
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. Oh but he'd have to read to do that. He might even have to stop trolling too. Stop being so rude. So you're not trolling, and you actually believe all the self contradictory, confused, weird nonsense you post about your fear of foreigners, climate science not being real etc? Some people were giving you the benefit of the doubt. Don’t be harsh, I am sure Seb will claim he is only joking (again)
Seb's like fab's own Jim davidson.
Indeed, neither are funny, he says something controversial, gets called out then claims it was a joke, coward
Please stop posting incorrect drivel.
You have never ‘called me out’. You post total nonsense. Coward indeed."Is this another joke? | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. Oh but he'd have to read to do that. He might even have to stop trolling too. Stop being so rude. So you're not trolling, and you actually believe all the self contradictory, confused, weird nonsense you post about your fear of foreigners, climate science not being real etc? Some people were giving you the benefit of the doubt. Don’t be harsh, I am sure Seb will claim he is only joking (again)
Seb's like fab's own Jim davidson.
Indeed, neither are funny, he says something controversial, gets called out then claims it was a joke, coward
Please stop posting incorrect drivel.
You have never ‘called me out’. You post total nonsense. Coward indeed."Is Rishi Sunak British? | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. Oh but he'd have to read to do that. He might even have to stop trolling too. Stop being so rude. So you're not trolling, and you actually believe all the self contradictory, confused, weird nonsense you post about your fear of foreigners, climate science not being real etc? Some people were giving you the benefit of the doubt. Don’t be harsh, I am sure Seb will claim he is only joking (again)
Seb's like fab's own Jim davidson.
Indeed, neither are funny, he says something controversial, gets called out then claims it was a joke, coward
Please stop posting incorrect drivel.
You have never ‘called me out’. You post total nonsense. Coward indeed.
Is this another joke? "What is this ‘joke’ that you keep referring to? Please do share. | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. Oh but he'd have to read to do that. He might even have to stop trolling too. Stop being so rude. So you're not trolling, and you actually believe all the self contradictory, confused, weird nonsense you post about your fear of foreigners, climate science not being real etc? Some people were giving you the benefit of the doubt. Don’t be harsh, I am sure Seb will claim he is only joking (again)
Seb's like fab's own Jim davidson.
Troll
hahaha it's the way you tell em.
Says an anonymous profile. Chinese troll / Bot perhaps? "going on about foreigners again eh? I guess it was only a matter of time until you went back to your old ways... | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. Oh but he'd have to read to do that. He might even have to stop trolling too. Stop being so rude. So you're not trolling, and you actually believe all the self contradictory, confused, weird nonsense you post about your fear of foreigners, climate science not being real etc? Some people were giving you the benefit of the doubt. Don’t be harsh, I am sure Seb will claim he is only joking (again)
Seb's like fab's own Jim davidson.
Troll
hahaha it's the way you tell em.
Says an anonymous profile. Chinese troll / Bot perhaps?
going on about foreigners again eh? I guess it was only a matter of time until you went back to your old ways..."Dear oh lord. How tedious is this. This is a dumb example but it’s still allowed to mention people from other countries. Whatever you are trying to prove, don’t do it on any of my comments. Pathetic nonsense. | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. Oh but he'd have to read to do that. He might even have to stop trolling too. Stop being so rude. So you're not trolling, and you actually believe all the self contradictory, confused, weird nonsense you post about your fear of foreigners, climate science not being real etc? Some people were giving you the benefit of the doubt. Don’t be harsh, I am sure Seb will claim he is only joking (again)
Seb's like fab's own Jim davidson.
Troll
hahaha it's the way you tell em.
Says an anonymous profile. Chinese troll / Bot perhaps?
going on about foreigners again eh? I guess it was only a matter of time until you went back to your old ways...
Dear oh lord. How tedious is this. This is a dumb example but it’s still allowed to mention people from other countries. Whatever you are trying to prove, don’t do it on any of my comments. Pathetic nonsense."It's a joke. I thought you'd be a fan of that sort of thing, being such a talented far right wing comedian yourself. | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. Oh but he'd have to read to do that. He might even have to stop trolling too. Stop being so rude. So you're not trolling, and you actually believe all the self contradictory, confused, weird nonsense you post about your fear of foreigners, climate science not being real etc? Some people were giving you the benefit of the doubt. Don’t be harsh, I am sure Seb will claim he is only joking (again)
Seb's like fab's own Jim davidson.
Troll
hahaha it's the way you tell em.
Says an anonymous profile. Chinese troll / Bot perhaps?
going on about foreigners again eh? I guess it was only a matter of time until you went back to your old ways...
Dear oh lord. How tedious is this. This is a dumb example but it’s still allowed to mention people from other countries. Whatever you are trying to prove, don’t do it on any of my comments. Pathetic nonsense.
It's a joke. I thought you'd be a fan of that sort of thing, being such a talented far right wing comedian yourself."Please stop being so offensive | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? " Population growth is an issue, especially as we're heading into a world where we'll see much more crop failures and shortages due to the overly sensitive domestic crops we rely on being adapted for the stable enough climate of the Holocene period, as well as our actions now changing the way the hydrological system operates, but most of the damage is done by the the top 20% of the global population who use far more resources than they require and live lives that are completely unsustainable. Economists keep pushing for population growth as they see things purely in terms of what's good for our imaginary economic systems and still operate under the naive delusion of limitless growth. They truly can't grasp that we're a species in overshoot who've overshot planetary boundaries long ago and live our lives now where the costs of it are not monetary. The future is grim, even with our best case scenario that would take a huge systematic change of how we organise ourselves as a species. You also can not blame those living in the global south for wanting to try catch up when the global north lives in such crazy luxury in comparison, yet constantly keeps bitching all the way. | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. Oh but he'd have to read to do that. He might even have to stop trolling too. Stop being so rude. So you're not trolling, and you actually believe all the self contradictory, confused, weird nonsense you post about your fear of foreigners, climate science not being real etc? Some people were giving you the benefit of the doubt. Don’t be harsh, I am sure Seb will claim he is only joking (again)
Seb's like fab's own Jim davidson.
Troll
hahaha it's the way you tell em.
Says an anonymous profile. Chinese troll / Bot perhaps?
going on about foreigners again eh? I guess it was only a matter of time until you went back to your old ways...
Dear oh lord. How tedious is this. This is a dumb example but it’s still allowed to mention people from other countries. Whatever you are trying to prove, don’t do it on any of my comments. Pathetic nonsense.
It's a joke. I thought you'd be a fan of that sort of thing, being such a talented far right wing comedian yourself.
Please stop being so offensive "I've said nothing offensive at all. I could bring up the offensive things you have said on here, but I'll cut you a break since you seem agitated. Be well. | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. Oh but he'd have to read to do that. He might even have to stop trolling too. Stop being so rude. So you're not trolling, and you actually believe all the self contradictory, confused, weird nonsense you post about your fear of foreigners, climate science not being real etc? Some people were giving you the benefit of the doubt. Don’t be harsh, I am sure Seb will claim he is only joking (again)
Seb's like fab's own Jim davidson.
Troll
hahaha it's the way you tell em.
Says an anonymous profile. Chinese troll / Bot perhaps?
going on about foreigners again eh? I guess it was only a matter of time until you went back to your old ways...
Dear oh lord. How tedious is this. This is a dumb example but it’s still allowed to mention people from other countries. Whatever you are trying to prove, don’t do it on any of my comments. Pathetic nonsense.
It's a joke. I thought you'd be a fan of that sort of thing, being such a talented far right wing comedian yourself.
Please stop being so offensive
I've said nothing offensive at all. I could bring up the offensive things you have said on here, but I'll cut you a break since you seem agitated.
Be well."Incorrectly calling me a far right comedian is pretty offensive. I’ve never posted anything offensive. | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. Oh but he'd have to read to do that. He might even have to stop trolling too. Stop being so rude. So you're not trolling, and you actually believe all the self contradictory, confused, weird nonsense you post about your fear of foreigners, climate science not being real etc? Some people were giving you the benefit of the doubt. Don’t be harsh, I am sure Seb will claim he is only joking (again)
Seb's like fab's own Jim davidson.
Troll
hahaha it's the way you tell em.
Says an anonymous profile. Chinese troll / Bot perhaps?
going on about foreigners again eh? I guess it was only a matter of time until you went back to your old ways...
Dear oh lord. How tedious is this. This is a dumb example but it’s still allowed to mention people from other countries. Whatever you are trying to prove, don’t do it on any of my comments. Pathetic nonsense.
It's a joke. I thought you'd be a fan of that sort of thing, being such a talented far right wing comedian yourself.
Please stop being so offensive
I've said nothing offensive at all. I could bring up the offensive things you have said on here, but I'll cut you a break since you seem agitated.
Be well.
Incorrectly calling me a far right comedian is pretty offensive.
I’ve never posted anything offensive. "Of course you haven't lol. Again, I say be well. | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. Oh but he'd have to read to do that. He might even have to stop trolling too. Stop being so rude. So you're not trolling, and you actually believe all the self contradictory, confused, weird nonsense you post about your fear of foreigners, climate science not being real etc? Some people were giving you the benefit of the doubt. Don’t be harsh, I am sure Seb will claim he is only joking (again)
Seb's like fab's own Jim davidson.
Troll
hahaha it's the way you tell em.
Says an anonymous profile. Chinese troll / Bot perhaps?
going on about foreigners again eh? I guess it was only a matter of time until you went back to your old ways...
Dear oh lord. How tedious is this. This is a dumb example but it’s still allowed to mention people from other countries. Whatever you are trying to prove, don’t do it on any of my comments. Pathetic nonsense.
It's a joke. I thought you'd be a fan of that sort of thing, being such a talented far right wing comedian yourself.
Please stop being so offensive
I've said nothing offensive at all. I could bring up the offensive things you have said on here, but I'll cut you a break since you seem agitated.
Be well.
Incorrectly calling me a far right comedian is pretty offensive.
I’ve never posted anything offensive.
Of course you haven't lol.
Again, I say be well."Then stop claiming I have | |||
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"Population explosion in Pakistan or any other developing country is not the right context/narrative when it comes to Climate Change. The main thing to focus on is the biggest co2 emitters by country. China ranked #1 US#2 and India #3. " I'd agree to a part but too often people just take our imaginary countries as some absolute entities, rarely actually seeing them for the diverse groups of populations they are administered by self serving idiots. Not a fan of the Chinese regime at all (and it's currently facing huge issues with water shortages and a financial system that's barely holding on with huge population unrest), but when you take into account per capita emissions, they're not absolutely dreadful. They've 5 times the population of the USA with only twice the emissions, and when you look at things in terms of when countries originally became industrial, it's only in the last 20 years where they started emitting heavily as they were trying to catch up with the other industrial nations, while also manufacturing a huge amount of the products the west relies on. It's more than our present growth focused and overconsumption dependent economic and political systems that our species has become trapped by that's too blame. So many countries have gotten lost in this growth narrative, not really seeing the real world at all but merely our species' fantasy world we built up within it | |||
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"Wow very explosive subject depends on your view point India China Asia Biggest coal users most pollution. So my take o thus is that if Europe went completely no more fossil fuel . Three quarters of the world going to still adding to warming the planet. So we are fucked Unless Homo Sapiens get together and change . " Unfortunately, the majority of humans will only change when it directly affects them, | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. Oh but he'd have to read to do that. He might even have to stop trolling too. Stop being so rude. So you're not trolling, and you actually believe all the self contradictory, confused, weird nonsense you post about your fear of foreigners, climate science not being real etc? Some people were giving you the benefit of the doubt. Don’t be harsh, I am sure Seb will claim he is only joking (again)
Seb's like fab's own Jim davidson.
Troll
hahaha it's the way you tell em.
Says an anonymous profile. Chinese troll / Bot perhaps?
going on about foreigners again eh? I guess it was only a matter of time until you went back to your old ways...
Dear oh lord. How tedious is this. This is a dumb example but it’s still allowed to mention people from other countries. Whatever you are trying to prove, don’t do it on any of my comments. Pathetic nonsense.
It's a joke. I thought you'd be a fan of that sort of thing, being such a talented far right wing comedian yourself.
Please stop being so offensive
I've said nothing offensive at all. I could bring up the offensive things you have said on here, but I'll cut you a break since you seem agitated.
Be well.
Incorrectly calling me a far right comedian is pretty offensive.
I’ve never posted anything offensive.
Of course you haven't lol.
Again, I say be well.
Then stop claiming I have "This is what you have claimed on other threads Rishi Sunsk isn’t British Immigrants haven’t contributed to British culture We’re these both these said in jest?  | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. Oh but he'd have to read to do that. He might even have to stop trolling too. Stop being so rude. So you're not trolling, and you actually believe all the self contradictory, confused, weird nonsense you post about your fear of foreigners, climate science not being real etc? Some people were giving you the benefit of the doubt. Don’t be harsh, I am sure Seb will claim he is only joking (again)
Seb's like fab's own Jim davidson.
Troll
hahaha it's the way you tell em.
Says an anonymous profile. Chinese troll / Bot perhaps?
going on about foreigners again eh? I guess it was only a matter of time until you went back to your old ways...
Dear oh lord. How tedious is this. This is a dumb example but it’s still allowed to mention people from other countries. Whatever you are trying to prove, don’t do it on any of my comments. Pathetic nonsense.
It's a joke. I thought you'd be a fan of that sort of thing, being such a talented far right wing comedian yourself.
Please stop being so offensive
I've said nothing offensive at all. I could bring up the offensive things you have said on here, but I'll cut you a break since you seem agitated.
Be well.
Incorrectly calling me a far right comedian is pretty offensive.
I’ve never posted anything offensive.
Of course you haven't lol.
Again, I say be well.
Then stop claiming I have
This is what you have claimed on other threads
Rishi Sunsk isn’t British
Immigrants haven’t contributed to British culture
We’re these both these said in jest? "No jesting. I claimed that Sunak is not sufficiently British to be PM, I went on to explain why. I asked the question as to what immigrants have contributed to British culture and the response could only list music. So, once again I need to plea but feel it falls on deaf ears or bigoted narrow minds - keep it real please. | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. Oh but he'd have to read to do that. He might even have to stop trolling too. Stop being so rude. So you're not trolling, and you actually believe all the self contradictory, confused, weird nonsense you post about your fear of foreigners, climate science not being real etc? Some people were giving you the benefit of the doubt. Don’t be harsh, I am sure Seb will claim he is only joking (again)
Seb's like fab's own Jim davidson.
Troll
hahaha it's the way you tell em.
Says an anonymous profile. Chinese troll / Bot perhaps?
going on about foreigners again eh? I guess it was only a matter of time until you went back to your old ways...
Dear oh lord. How tedious is this. This is a dumb example but it’s still allowed to mention people from other countries. Whatever you are trying to prove, don’t do it on any of my comments. Pathetic nonsense.
It's a joke. I thought you'd be a fan of that sort of thing, being such a talented far right wing comedian yourself.
Please stop being so offensive
I've said nothing offensive at all. I could bring up the offensive things you have said on here, but I'll cut you a break since you seem agitated.
Be well.
Incorrectly calling me a far right comedian is pretty offensive.
I’ve never posted anything offensive.
Of course you haven't lol.
Again, I say be well.
Then stop claiming I have
This is what you have claimed on other threads
Rishi Sunsk isn’t British
Immigrants haven’t contributed to British culture
We’re these both these said in jest?
No jesting. I claimed that Sunak is not sufficiently British to be PM, I went on to explain why.
I asked the question as to what immigrants have contributed to British culture and the response could only list music.
So, once again I need to plea but feel it falls on deaf ears or bigoted narrow minds - keep it real please."I will keep this simple Is Rishi Sunak British Have immigrants contributed to British culture?  | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. Oh but he'd have to read to do that. He might even have to stop trolling too. Stop being so rude. So you're not trolling, and you actually believe all the self contradictory, confused, weird nonsense you post about your fear of foreigners, climate science not being real etc? Some people were giving you the benefit of the doubt. Don’t be harsh, I am sure Seb will claim he is only joking (again)
Seb's like fab's own Jim davidson.
Troll
hahaha it's the way you tell em.
Says an anonymous profile. Chinese troll / Bot perhaps?
going on about foreigners again eh? I guess it was only a matter of time until you went back to your old ways...
Dear oh lord. How tedious is this. This is a dumb example but it’s still allowed to mention people from other countries. Whatever you are trying to prove, don’t do it on any of my comments. Pathetic nonsense.
It's a joke. I thought you'd be a fan of that sort of thing, being such a talented far right wing comedian yourself.
Please stop being so offensive
I've said nothing offensive at all. I could bring up the offensive things you have said on here, but I'll cut you a break since you seem agitated.
Be well.
Incorrectly calling me a far right comedian is pretty offensive.
I’ve never posted anything offensive.
Of course you haven't lol.
Again, I say be well.
Then stop claiming I have "Seb I dont know why you just don't report them, although it probably would not matter, I rarely post anymore but I do read the threads all the time and you are always trolled/attacked by the same group of posters each time you post a subject. Without question some of these are pure and simple personal attacks even if they may see it as banter. I may not agree with some things that you post but the way you are bullied on some threads is shameful. | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. Oh but he'd have to read to do that. He might even have to stop trolling too. Stop being so rude. So you're not trolling, and you actually believe all the self contradictory, confused, weird nonsense you post about your fear of foreigners, climate science not being real etc? Some people were giving you the benefit of the doubt. Don’t be harsh, I am sure Seb will claim he is only joking (again)
Seb's like fab's own Jim davidson.
Troll
hahaha it's the way you tell em.
Says an anonymous profile. Chinese troll / Bot perhaps?
going on about foreigners again eh? I guess it was only a matter of time until you went back to your old ways...
Dear oh lord. How tedious is this. This is a dumb example but it’s still allowed to mention people from other countries. Whatever you are trying to prove, don’t do it on any of my comments. Pathetic nonsense.
It's a joke. I thought you'd be a fan of that sort of thing, being such a talented far right wing comedian yourself.
Please stop being so offensive
I've said nothing offensive at all. I could bring up the offensive things you have said on here, but I'll cut you a break since you seem agitated.
Be well.
Incorrectly calling me a far right comedian is pretty offensive.
I’ve never posted anything offensive.
Of course you haven't lol.
Again, I say be well.
Then stop claiming I have
Seb I dont know why you just don't report them, although it probably would not matter, I rarely post anymore but I do read the threads all the time and you are always trolled/attacked by the same group of posters each time you post a subject. Without question some of these are pure and simple personal attacks even if they may see it as banter. I may not agree with some things that you post but the way you are bullied on some threads is shameful."Are you a snowflake ? | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. Oh but he'd have to read to do that. He might even have to stop trolling too. Stop being so rude. So you're not trolling, and you actually believe all the self contradictory, confused, weird nonsense you post about your fear of foreigners, climate science not being real etc? Some people were giving you the benefit of the doubt. Don’t be harsh, I am sure Seb will claim he is only joking (again)
Seb's like fab's own Jim davidson.
Troll
hahaha it's the way you tell em.
Says an anonymous profile. Chinese troll / Bot perhaps?
going on about foreigners again eh? I guess it was only a matter of time until you went back to your old ways...
Dear oh lord. How tedious is this. This is a dumb example but it’s still allowed to mention people from other countries. Whatever you are trying to prove, don’t do it on any of my comments. Pathetic nonsense.
It's a joke. I thought you'd be a fan of that sort of thing, being such a talented far right wing comedian yourself.
Please stop being so offensive
I've said nothing offensive at all. I could bring up the offensive things you have said on here, but I'll cut you a break since you seem agitated.
Be well.
Incorrectly calling me a far right comedian is pretty offensive.
I’ve never posted anything offensive.
Of course you haven't lol.
Again, I say be well.
Then stop claiming I have
Seb I dont know why you just don't report them, although it probably would not matter, I rarely post anymore but I do read the threads all the time and you are always trolled/attacked by the same group of posters each time you post a subject. Without question some of these are pure and simple personal attacks even if they may see it as banter. I may not agree with some things that you post but the way you are bullied on some threads is shameful.
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. Oh but he'd have to read to do that. He might even have to stop trolling too. Stop being so rude. So you're not trolling, and you actually believe all the self contradictory, confused, weird nonsense you post about your fear of foreigners, climate science not being real etc? Some people were giving you the benefit of the doubt. Don’t be harsh, I am sure Seb will claim he is only joking (again)
Seb's like fab's own Jim davidson.
Troll
hahaha it's the way you tell em.
Says an anonymous profile. Chinese troll / Bot perhaps?
going on about foreigners again eh? I guess it was only a matter of time until you went back to your old ways...
Dear oh lord. How tedious is this. This is a dumb example but it’s still allowed to mention people from other countries. Whatever you are trying to prove, don’t do it on any of my comments. Pathetic nonsense.
It's a joke. I thought you'd be a fan of that sort of thing, being such a talented far right wing comedian yourself.
Please stop being so offensive
I've said nothing offensive at all. I could bring up the offensive things you have said on here, but I'll cut you a break since you seem agitated.
Be well.
Incorrectly calling me a far right comedian is pretty offensive.
I’ve never posted anything offensive.
Of course you haven't lol.
Again, I say be well.
Then stop claiming I have
Seb I dont know why you just don't report them, although it probably would not matter, I rarely post anymore but I do read the threads all the time and you are always trolled/attacked by the same group of posters each time you post a subject. Without question some of these are pure and simple personal attacks even if they may see it as banter. I may not agree with some things that you post but the way you are bullied on some threads is shameful."Thanks. It’s the ‘gang of three’. They have of course seen of other Forum users. I’m starting to suspect that although three profiles, it’s just the same single troll. | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. Oh but he'd have to read to do that. He might even have to stop trolling too. Stop being so rude. So you're not trolling, and you actually believe all the self contradictory, confused, weird nonsense you post about your fear of foreigners, climate science not being real etc? Some people were giving you the benefit of the doubt. Don’t be harsh, I am sure Seb will claim he is only joking (again)
Seb's like fab's own Jim davidson.
Troll
hahaha it's the way you tell em.
Says an anonymous profile. Chinese troll / Bot perhaps?
going on about foreigners again eh? I guess it was only a matter of time until you went back to your old ways...
Dear oh lord. How tedious is this. This is a dumb example but it’s still allowed to mention people from other countries. Whatever you are trying to prove, don’t do it on any of my comments. Pathetic nonsense.
It's a joke. I thought you'd be a fan of that sort of thing, being such a talented far right wing comedian yourself.
Please stop being so offensive
I've said nothing offensive at all. I could bring up the offensive things you have said on here, but I'll cut you a break since you seem agitated.
Be well.
Incorrectly calling me a far right comedian is pretty offensive.
I’ve never posted anything offensive.
Of course you haven't lol.
Again, I say be well.
Then stop claiming I have
Seb I dont know why you just don't report them, although it probably would not matter, I rarely post anymore but I do read the threads all the time and you are always trolled/attacked by the same group of posters each time you post a subject. Without question some of these are pure and simple personal attacks even if they may see it as banter. I may not agree with some things that you post but the way you are bullied on some threads is shameful.
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. Oh but he'd have to read to do that. He might even have to stop trolling too. Stop being so rude. So you're not trolling, and you actually believe all the self contradictory, confused, weird nonsense you post about your fear of foreigners, climate science not being real etc? Some people were giving you the benefit of the doubt. Don’t be harsh, I am sure Seb will claim he is only joking (again)
Seb's like fab's own Jim davidson.
Troll
hahaha it's the way you tell em.
Says an anonymous profile. Chinese troll / Bot perhaps?
going on about foreigners again eh? I guess it was only a matter of time until you went back to your old ways...
Dear oh lord. How tedious is this. This is a dumb example but it’s still allowed to mention people from other countries. Whatever you are trying to prove, don’t do it on any of my comments. Pathetic nonsense.
It's a joke. I thought you'd be a fan of that sort of thing, being such a talented far right wing comedian yourself.
Please stop being so offensive
I've said nothing offensive at all. I could bring up the offensive things you have said on here, but I'll cut you a break since you seem agitated.
Be well.
Incorrectly calling me a far right comedian is pretty offensive.
I’ve never posted anything offensive.
Of course you haven't lol.
Again, I say be well.
Then stop claiming I have
Seb I dont know why you just don't report them, although it probably would not matter, I rarely post anymore but I do read the threads all the time and you are always trolled/attacked by the same group of posters each time you post a subject. Without question some of these are pure and simple personal attacks even if they may see it as banter. I may not agree with some things that you post but the way you are bullied on some threads is shameful."It’s good not to agree. A ‘forum’ indeed. An exchange of ideas or points of view on a subject. Sadly when a few (three) see the word ‘forum’ they read ‘school playground’. | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. Oh but he'd have to read to do that. He might even have to stop trolling too. Stop being so rude. So you're not trolling, and you actually believe all the self contradictory, confused, weird nonsense you post about your fear of foreigners, climate science not being real etc? Some people were giving you the benefit of the doubt. Don’t be harsh, I am sure Seb will claim he is only joking (again)
Seb's like fab's own Jim davidson.
Troll
hahaha it's the way you tell em.
Says an anonymous profile. Chinese troll / Bot perhaps?
going on about foreigners again eh? I guess it was only a matter of time until you went back to your old ways...
Dear oh lord. How tedious is this. This is a dumb example but it’s still allowed to mention people from other countries. Whatever you are trying to prove, don’t do it on any of my comments. Pathetic nonsense.
It's a joke. I thought you'd be a fan of that sort of thing, being such a talented far right wing comedian yourself.
Please stop being so offensive
I've said nothing offensive at all. I could bring up the offensive things you have said on here, but I'll cut you a break since you seem agitated.
Be well.
Incorrectly calling me a far right comedian is pretty offensive.
I’ve never posted anything offensive.
Of course you haven't lol.
Again, I say be well.
Then stop claiming I have
Seb I dont know why you just don't report them, although it probably would not matter, I rarely post anymore but I do read the threads all the time and you are always trolled/attacked by the same group of posters each time you post a subject. Without question some of these are pure and simple personal attacks even if they may see it as banter. I may not agree with some things that you post but the way you are bullied on some threads is shameful.
Thanks. It’s the ‘gang of three’. They have of course seen of other Forum users. I’m starting to suspect that although three profiles, it’s just the same single troll. "No they message each other to coordinate their attack | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. Oh but he'd have to read to do that. He might even have to stop trolling too. Stop being so rude. So you're not trolling, and you actually believe all the self contradictory, confused, weird nonsense you post about your fear of foreigners, climate science not being real etc? Some people were giving you the benefit of the doubt. Don’t be harsh, I am sure Seb will claim he is only joking (again)
Seb's like fab's own Jim davidson.
Troll
hahaha it's the way you tell em.
Says an anonymous profile. Chinese troll / Bot perhaps?
going on about foreigners again eh? I guess it was only a matter of time until you went back to your old ways...
Dear oh lord. How tedious is this. This is a dumb example but it’s still allowed to mention people from other countries. Whatever you are trying to prove, don’t do it on any of my comments. Pathetic nonsense.
It's a joke. I thought you'd be a fan of that sort of thing, being such a talented far right wing comedian yourself.
Please stop being so offensive
I've said nothing offensive at all. I could bring up the offensive things you have said on here, but I'll cut you a break since you seem agitated.
Be well.
Incorrectly calling me a far right comedian is pretty offensive.
I’ve never posted anything offensive.
Of course you haven't lol.
Again, I say be well.
Then stop claiming I have
Seb I dont know why you just don't report them, although it probably would not matter, I rarely post anymore but I do read the threads all the time and you are always trolled/attacked by the same group of posters each time you post a subject. Without question some of these are pure and simple personal attacks even if they may see it as banter. I may not agree with some things that you post but the way you are bullied on some threads is shameful.
Thanks. It’s the ‘gang of three’. They have of course seen of other Forum users. I’m starting to suspect that although three profiles, it’s just the same single troll.
No they message each other to coordinate their attack "Probably right on that one. Luckily I’m well rounded with a good sense & understanding of what’s right or wrong. And despite my advanced years of which they like to have the occasional ‘ageist’ dig I’m of sound mind. Bad news for the trolls - my parents are both 94, both as sharp as knives so the genes suggest I have a good few years to go. I also have a keen sense of humour so the attacks are water of a ducks back, the level of disingenuous stuff is slightly irritating but that’s all. Thankfully, and again give my ancient age, I’m having the best sex of my life, so my life doesn’t revolve around Fab. | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? from what I've just read, the famine affected mainly the self sufficient farmers. Is that rightSeb? If so, the relevant statistics is increase in population in this region. Pakistan had record heat I. April and then the monsoon has been for twice as long as average with 3x rainfall. Now, over population will make the impacts worse. But it's seen extreme weather. This isnt flooding caused by fucking about with rivers. " I'm going to bump this as I'm interested in Sebs opinion and the thread has been gone down the usual side tracks. | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. Oh but he'd have to read to do that. He might even have to stop trolling too. Stop being so rude. So you're not trolling, and you actually believe all the self contradictory, confused, weird nonsense you post about your fear of foreigners, climate science not being real etc? Some people were giving you the benefit of the doubt. Don’t be harsh, I am sure Seb will claim he is only joking (again)
Seb's like fab's own Jim davidson.
Troll
hahaha it's the way you tell em.
Says an anonymous profile. Chinese troll / Bot perhaps?
going on about foreigners again eh? I guess it was only a matter of time until you went back to your old ways...
Dear oh lord. How tedious is this. This is a dumb example but it’s still allowed to mention people from other countries. Whatever you are trying to prove, don’t do it on any of my comments. Pathetic nonsense.
It's a joke. I thought you'd be a fan of that sort of thing, being such a talented far right wing comedian yourself.
Please stop being so offensive
I've said nothing offensive at all. I could bring up the offensive things you have said on here, but I'll cut you a break since you seem agitated.
Be well.
Incorrectly calling me a far right comedian is pretty offensive.
I’ve never posted anything offensive.
Of course you haven't lol.
Again, I say be well.
Then stop claiming I have
Seb I dont know why you just don't report them, although it probably would not matter, I rarely post anymore but I do read the threads all the time and you are always trolled/attacked by the same group of posters each time you post a subject. Without question some of these are pure and simple personal attacks even if they may see it as banter. I may not agree with some things that you post but the way you are bullied on some threads is shameful.
Thanks. It’s the ‘gang of three’. They have of course seen of other Forum users. I’m starting to suspect that although three profiles, it’s just the same single troll.
No they message each other to coordinate their attack
Probably right on that one.
Luckily I’m well rounded with a good sense & understanding of what’s right or wrong. And despite my advanced years of which they like to have the occasional ‘ageist’ dig I’m of sound mind. Bad news for the trolls - my parents are both 94, both as sharp as knives so the genes suggest I have a good few years to go.
I also have a keen sense of humour so the attacks are water of a ducks back, the level of disingenuous stuff is slightly irritating but that’s all. Thankfully, and again give my ancient age, I’m having the best sex of my life, so my life doesn’t revolve around Fab."That’s it never take anything too seriously on here | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. Oh but he'd have to read to do that. He might even have to stop trolling too. Stop being so rude. So you're not trolling, and you actually believe all the self contradictory, confused, weird nonsense you post about your fear of foreigners, climate science not being real etc? Some people were giving you the benefit of the doubt. Don’t be harsh, I am sure Seb will claim he is only joking (again)
Seb's like fab's own Jim davidson.
Troll
hahaha it's the way you tell em.
Says an anonymous profile. Chinese troll / Bot perhaps?
going on about foreigners again eh? I guess it was only a matter of time until you went back to your old ways...
Dear oh lord. How tedious is this. This is a dumb example but it’s still allowed to mention people from other countries. Whatever you are trying to prove, don’t do it on any of my comments. Pathetic nonsense.
It's a joke. I thought you'd be a fan of that sort of thing, being such a talented far right wing comedian yourself.
Please stop being so offensive
I've said nothing offensive at all. I could bring up the offensive things you have said on here, but I'll cut you a break since you seem agitated.
Be well.
Incorrectly calling me a far right comedian is pretty offensive.
I’ve never posted anything offensive.
Of course you haven't lol.
Again, I say be well.
Then stop claiming I have
Seb I dont know why you just don't report them, although it probably would not matter, I rarely post anymore but I do read the threads all the time and you are always trolled/attacked by the same group of posters each time you post a subject. Without question some of these are pure and simple personal attacks even if they may see it as banter. I may not agree with some things that you post but the way you are bullied on some threads is shameful.
Thanks. It’s the ‘gang of three’. They have of course seen of other Forum users. I’m starting to suspect that although three profiles, it’s just the same single troll.
No they message each other to coordinate their attack
Probably right on that one.
Luckily I’m well rounded with a good sense & understanding of what’s right or wrong. And despite my advanced years of which they like to have the occasional ‘ageist’ dig I’m of sound mind. Bad news for the trolls - my parents are both 94, both as sharp as knives so the genes suggest I have a good few years to go.
I also have a keen sense of humour so the attacks are water of a ducks back, the level of disingenuous stuff is slightly irritating but that’s all. Thankfully, and again give my ancient age, I’m having the best sex of my life, so my life doesn’t revolve around Fab."and I though you were getting too old for it my friend, and were only here to entertain us ! | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? Simple solution to this Seb. Learn about climate change. This will help you. Oh but he'd have to read to do that. He might even have to stop trolling too. Stop being so rude. So you're not trolling, and you actually believe all the self contradictory, confused, weird nonsense you post about your fear of foreigners, climate science not being real etc? Some people were giving you the benefit of the doubt. Don’t be harsh, I am sure Seb will claim he is only joking (again)
Seb's like fab's own Jim davidson.
Troll
hahaha it's the way you tell em.
Says an anonymous profile. Chinese troll / Bot perhaps?
going on about foreigners again eh? I guess it was only a matter of time until you went back to your old ways...
Dear oh lord. How tedious is this. This is a dumb example but it’s still allowed to mention people from other countries. Whatever you are trying to prove, don’t do it on any of my comments. Pathetic nonsense.
It's a joke. I thought you'd be a fan of that sort of thing, being such a talented far right wing comedian yourself.
Please stop being so offensive
I've said nothing offensive at all. I could bring up the offensive things you have said on here, but I'll cut you a break since you seem agitated.
Be well.
Incorrectly calling me a far right comedian is pretty offensive.
I’ve never posted anything offensive.
Of course you haven't lol.
Again, I say be well.
Then stop claiming I have
Seb I dont know why you just don't report them, although it probably would not matter, I rarely post anymore but I do read the threads all the time and you are always trolled/attacked by the same group of posters each time you post a subject. Without question some of these are pure and simple personal attacks even if they may see it as banter. I may not agree with some things that you post but the way you are bullied on some threads is shameful.
Are you a snowflake ?
Are you a adult or a child?"An adult , do adults threaten to ‘smack the bottoms’ of climate protesters?? | |||
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"Why do they bang on so much about how the nasty western civilisation is causing climate change but ignore the real challenge of population explosion? One example - the claim that the recent floods in Pakistan was caused by climate change. No mention of the fact that in just fifty years, the population has increased from 58 million to 226 million. Many of them living in flood plains. A land formed by dramatic floods of course. Another example - a famine in Madagascar was according to the BBC the ‘worlds first climate change induced famine’. Again, no mention that an island with limited natural resources has seen a population explosion from six to twenty six million. Funny that. The inconvenient truth perhaps? " Are you actually able to respond to anything that was asked in respect to your actual OP? Do you actually want to debate the topic as you keep claiming, or not? | |||
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"Back in about 1998 hubby recalls the teacher mentioning the population was close to 6 billion. The last 20 years have seen more than 2 billion people added to the global population. It's pretty obvious the issue is too many people, we need a culling or a global one child policy." Could probably start with a cull of anyone who lives in Staffordshire. The planet thanks you for volunteering. | |||
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"Back in about 1998 hubby recalls the teacher mentioning the population was close to 6 billion. The last 20 years have seen more than 2 billion people added to the global population. It's pretty obvious the issue is too many people, we need a culling or a global one child policy." I wonder if the issue is birth rate or death rate. Global culling at 90? | |||
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"Back in about 1998 hubby recalls the teacher mentioning the population was close to 6 billion. The last 20 years have seen more than 2 billion people added to the global population. It's pretty obvious the issue is too many people, we need a culling or a global one child policy.I wonder if the issue is birth rate or death rate. Global culling at 90?" Careful, there are people on here that when it suits take every word literally. They have no sense of humour and like to twist things but that’s another story. They may well complain that you are threatening 90 year olds with death. I know it was tongue in cheek but not everyone is as well rounded as us | |||
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"Back in about 1998 hubby recalls the teacher mentioning the population was close to 6 billion. The last 20 years have seen more than 2 billion people added to the global population. It's pretty obvious the issue is too many people, we need a culling or a global one child policy.I wonder if the issue is birth rate or death rate. Global culling at 90? Careful, there are people on here that when it suits take every word literally. They have no sense of humour and like to twist things but that’s another story. They may well complain that you are threatening 90 year olds with death. I know it was tongue in cheek but not everyone is as well rounded as us" To be fair though Seb, I am pretty sure people like Jacob Reece-Smugg and his ERG (or whatever they call themselves now) and Tufton St buddies would quite like to see people terminated once they cease to be productive. Obviously not old wealthy people, just the poor ones as they have served their purpose. Maybe a Logan’s Run approach is merited? | |||
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"Back in about 1998 hubby recalls the teacher mentioning the population was close to 6 billion. The last 20 years have seen more than 2 billion people added to the global population. It's pretty obvious the issue is too many people, we need a culling or a global one child policy.I wonder if the issue is birth rate or death rate. Global culling at 90? Careful, there are people on here that when it suits take every word literally. They have no sense of humour and like to twist things but that’s another story. They may well complain that you are threatening 90 year olds with death. I know it was tongue in cheek but not everyone is as well rounded as us" Why not put on your big-boy pants, stop whining and congratulating yourself about how wonderful a human being you are and address the counterpoints to what your own thread is actually about. Debate, if that's what you claim you really want to do. Otherwise you are just show-boating... | |||
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"Back in about 1998 hubby recalls the teacher mentioning the population was close to 6 billion. The last 20 years have seen more than 2 billion people added to the global population. It's pretty obvious the issue is too many people, we need a culling or a global one child policy.I wonder if the issue is birth rate or death rate. Global culling at 90? Careful, there are people on here that when it suits take every word literally. They have no sense of humour and like to twist things but that’s another story. They may well complain that you are threatening 90 year olds with death. I know it was tongue in cheek but not everyone is as well rounded as us Why not put on your big-boy pants, stop whining and congratulating yourself about how wonderful a human being you are and address the counterpoints to what your own thread is actually about. Debate, if that's what you claim you really want to do. Otherwise you are just show-boating..." ‘Big boys pants’ ‘whining’. Please stop being so rude and condescending. Some would say ‘arrogant! | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? " Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real | |||
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"Back in about 1998 hubby recalls the teacher mentioning the population was close to 6 billion. The last 20 years have seen more than 2 billion people added to the global population. It's pretty obvious the issue is too many people, we need a culling or a global one child policy.I wonder if the issue is birth rate or death rate. Global culling at 90? Careful, there are people on here that when it suits take every word literally. They have no sense of humour and like to twist things but that’s another story. They may well complain that you are threatening 90 year olds with death. I know it was tongue in cheek but not everyone is as well rounded as us Why not put on your big-boy pants, stop whining and congratulating yourself about how wonderful a human being you are and address the counterpoints to what your own thread is actually about. Debate, if that's what you claim you really want to do. Otherwise you are just show-boating... ‘Big boys pants’ ‘whining’. Please stop being so rude and condescending. Some would say ‘arrogant!" Except here you are, not writing anything about the actual topic that you started. Get a grip and debate or stop wasting everyone's time. | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real " What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century?" I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. " You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim." And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. " There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field. | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field." If you are so confident climate change is nothing to be concerned about, that belief must be based on something more than just your gut instinct right? I mean you must have seen or read things that disprove the thousands of scientific studies that have generated consensus amongst at least 95% of the scientific community. Please can you therefore provide links to peer-reviewed scientific studies that show climate change is not real or severe? If the links are not permissible then can you give the search string that will lead to the right results/pages. Thanks | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field. If you are so confident climate change is nothing to be concerned about, that belief must be based on something more than just your gut instinct right? I mean you must have seen or read things that disprove the thousands of scientific studies that have generated consensus amongst at least 95% of the scientific community. Please can you therefore provide links to peer-reviewed scientific studies that show climate change is not real or severe? If the links are not permissible then can you give the search string that will lead to the right results/pages. Thanks " "Follow the science"! "Protect the NHS"! "500,000 deaths if you don't do what we say"! I'm sure the "experts" know what they are doing. We have absolutely no recent experience of them being catastrophically wrong about anything. | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field. If you are so confident climate change is nothing to be concerned about, that belief must be based on something more than just your gut instinct right? I mean you must have seen or read things that disprove the thousands of scientific studies that have generated consensus amongst at least 95% of the scientific community. Please can you therefore provide links to peer-reviewed scientific studies that show climate change is not real or severe? If the links are not permissible then can you give the search string that will lead to the right results/pages. Thanks "Follow the science"! "Protect the NHS"! "500,000 deaths if you don't do what we say"! I'm sure the "experts" know what they are doing. We have absolutely no recent experience of them being catastrophically wrong about anything. " What are you even talking about now? Is this you saying we should have let Covid rip from the start? | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field. If you are so confident climate change is nothing to be concerned about, that belief must be based on something more than just your gut instinct right? I mean you must have seen or read things that disprove the thousands of scientific studies that have generated consensus amongst at least 95% of the scientific community. Please can you therefore provide links to peer-reviewed scientific studies that show climate change is not real or severe? If the links are not permissible then can you give the search string that will lead to the right results/pages. Thanks "Follow the science"! "Protect the NHS"! "500,000 deaths if you don't do what we say"! I'm sure the "experts" know what they are doing. We have absolutely no recent experience of them being catastrophically wrong about anything. " Climate change denier Covid denier Tory voter? Brexit voter? We might have a full house | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field. If you are so confident climate change is nothing to be concerned about, that belief must be based on something more than just your gut instinct right? I mean you must have seen or read things that disprove the thousands of scientific studies that have generated consensus amongst at least 95% of the scientific community. Please can you therefore provide links to peer-reviewed scientific studies that show climate change is not real or severe? If the links are not permissible then can you give the search string that will lead to the right results/pages. Thanks "Follow the science"! "Protect the NHS"! "500,000 deaths if you don't do what we say"! I'm sure the "experts" know what they are doing. We have absolutely no recent experience of them being catastrophically wrong about anything. Climate change denier Covid denier Tory voter? Brexit voter? We might have a full house " I doubt it, the climate has always changed. I've had COVID twice, and incredibly I survived it. I haven't voted in twenty years. Maybe you need to start confronting your own prejudices. | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field. If you are so confident climate change is nothing to be concerned about, that belief must be based on something more than just your gut instinct right? I mean you must have seen or read things that disprove the thousands of scientific studies that have generated consensus amongst at least 95% of the scientific community. Please can you therefore provide links to peer-reviewed scientific studies that show climate change is not real or severe? If the links are not permissible then can you give the search string that will lead to the right results/pages. Thanks "Follow the science"! "Protect the NHS"! "500,000 deaths if you don't do what we say"! I'm sure the "experts" know what they are doing. We have absolutely no recent experience of them being catastrophically wrong about anything. Climate change denier Covid denier Tory voter? Brexit voter? We might have a full house I doubt it, the climate has always changed. I've had COVID twice, and incredibly I survived it. I haven't voted in twenty years. Maybe you need to start confronting your own prejudices." Ah it sounds as if you truly are an eminent climate expert as well as an experienced + trusted medical dr too. | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field. If you are so confident climate change is nothing to be concerned about, that belief must be based on something more than just your gut instinct right? I mean you must have seen or read things that disprove the thousands of scientific studies that have generated consensus amongst at least 95% of the scientific community. Please can you therefore provide links to peer-reviewed scientific studies that show climate change is not real or severe? If the links are not permissible then can you give the search string that will lead to the right results/pages. Thanks "Follow the science"! "Protect the NHS"! "500,000 deaths if you don't do what we say"! I'm sure the "experts" know what they are doing. We have absolutely no recent experience of them being catastrophically wrong about anything. Climate change denier Covid denier Tory voter? Brexit voter? We might have a full house I doubt it, the climate has always changed. I've had COVID twice, and incredibly I survived it. I haven't voted in twenty years. Maybe you need to start confronting your own prejudices." You had Covid twice and survived? Wow, that is amazing, whatever can this mean? | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field. If you are so confident climate change is nothing to be concerned about, that belief must be based on something more than just your gut instinct right? I mean you must have seen or read things that disprove the thousands of scientific studies that have generated consensus amongst at least 95% of the scientific community. Please can you therefore provide links to peer-reviewed scientific studies that show climate change is not real or severe? If the links are not permissible then can you give the search string that will lead to the right results/pages. Thanks "Follow the science"! "Protect the NHS"! "500,000 deaths if you don't do what we say"! I'm sure the "experts" know what they are doing. We have absolutely no recent experience of them being catastrophically wrong about anything. Climate change denier Covid denier Tory voter? Brexit voter? We might have a full house I doubt it, the climate has always changed. I've had COVID twice, and incredibly I survived it. I haven't voted in twenty years. Maybe you need to start confronting your own prejudices. Ah it sounds as if you truly are an eminent climate expert as well as an experienced + trusted medical dr too." Tbh, he had Covid twice and survived, so obviously it was all just a hoax | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field. If you are so confident climate change is nothing to be concerned about, that belief must be based on something more than just your gut instinct right? I mean you must have seen or read things that disprove the thousands of scientific studies that have generated consensus amongst at least 95% of the scientific community. Please can you therefore provide links to peer-reviewed scientific studies that show climate change is not real or severe? If the links are not permissible then can you give the search string that will lead to the right results/pages. Thanks "Follow the science"! "Protect the NHS"! "500,000 deaths if you don't do what we say"! I'm sure the "experts" know what they are doing. We have absolutely no recent experience of them being catastrophically wrong about anything. Climate change denier Covid denier Tory voter? Brexit voter? We might have a full house I doubt it, the climate has always changed. I've had COVID twice, and incredibly I survived it. I haven't voted in twenty years. Maybe you need to start confronting your own prejudices. Ah it sounds as if you truly are an eminent climate expert as well as an experienced + trusted medical dr too." So I guess that's the basis on which I can ignore your ill informed opinions then, as you don't know anything. | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field. If you are so confident climate change is nothing to be concerned about, that belief must be based on something more than just your gut instinct right? I mean you must have seen or read things that disprove the thousands of scientific studies that have generated consensus amongst at least 95% of the scientific community. Please can you therefore provide links to peer-reviewed scientific studies that show climate change is not real or severe? If the links are not permissible then can you give the search string that will lead to the right results/pages. Thanks "Follow the science"! "Protect the NHS"! "500,000 deaths if you don't do what we say"! I'm sure the "experts" know what they are doing. We have absolutely no recent experience of them being catastrophically wrong about anything. Climate change denier Covid denier Tory voter? Brexit voter? We might have a full house I doubt it, the climate has always changed. I've had COVID twice, and incredibly I survived it. I haven't voted in twenty years. Maybe you need to start confronting your own prejudices. Ah it sounds as if you truly are an eminent climate expert as well as an experienced + trusted medical dr too. So I guess that's the basis on which I can ignore your ill informed opinions then, as you don't know anything." I'm not an expert. That's why I listen to actual experts. See how that works? | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field. If you are so confident climate change is nothing to be concerned about, that belief must be based on something more than just your gut instinct right? I mean you must have seen or read things that disprove the thousands of scientific studies that have generated consensus amongst at least 95% of the scientific community. Please can you therefore provide links to peer-reviewed scientific studies that show climate change is not real or severe? If the links are not permissible then can you give the search string that will lead to the right results/pages. Thanks "Follow the science"! "Protect the NHS"! "500,000 deaths if you don't do what we say"! I'm sure the "experts" know what they are doing. We have absolutely no recent experience of them being catastrophically wrong about anything. Climate change denier Covid denier Tory voter? Brexit voter? We might have a full house I doubt it, the climate has always changed. I've had COVID twice, and incredibly I survived it. I haven't voted in twenty years. Maybe you need to start confronting your own prejudices. Ah it sounds as if you truly are an eminent climate expert as well as an experienced + trusted medical dr too. Tbh, he had Covid twice and survived, so obviously it was all just a hoax " I think there may be a slight lack of logic in your comment there. Try harder. | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field. If you are so confident climate change is nothing to be concerned about, that belief must be based on something more than just your gut instinct right? I mean you must have seen or read things that disprove the thousands of scientific studies that have generated consensus amongst at least 95% of the scientific community. Please can you therefore provide links to peer-reviewed scientific studies that show climate change is not real or severe? If the links are not permissible then can you give the search string that will lead to the right results/pages. Thanks "Follow the science"! "Protect the NHS"! "500,000 deaths if you don't do what we say"! I'm sure the "experts" know what they are doing. We have absolutely no recent experience of them being catastrophically wrong about anything. Climate change denier Covid denier Tory voter? Brexit voter? We might have a full house I doubt it, the climate has always changed. I've had COVID twice, and incredibly I survived it. I haven't voted in twenty years. Maybe you need to start confronting your own prejudices. Ah it sounds as if you truly are an eminent climate expert as well as an experienced + trusted medical dr too. Tbh, he had Covid twice and survived, so obviously it was all just a hoax I think there may be a slight lack of logic in your comment there. Try harder." Is there? Do you think COVID was a hoax? | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field. If you are so confident climate change is nothing to be concerned about, that belief must be based on something more than just your gut instinct right? I mean you must have seen or read things that disprove the thousands of scientific studies that have generated consensus amongst at least 95% of the scientific community. Please can you therefore provide links to peer-reviewed scientific studies that show climate change is not real or severe? If the links are not permissible then can you give the search string that will lead to the right results/pages. Thanks "Follow the science"! "Protect the NHS"! "500,000 deaths if you don't do what we say"! I'm sure the "experts" know what they are doing. We have absolutely no recent experience of them being catastrophically wrong about anything. " Ah so gut instinct then! Shame, I thought you may have had some insight or access to information that has eluded 95%+ of the world’s scientists! | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field." That's a pretty un-self-aware comment, wouldn't you say? Aren't you doing exactly the same thing that you are condemning except with less data to back it up with? | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field. If you are so confident climate change is nothing to be concerned about, that belief must be based on something more than just your gut instinct right? I mean you must have seen or read things that disprove the thousands of scientific studies that have generated consensus amongst at least 95% of the scientific community. Please can you therefore provide links to peer-reviewed scientific studies that show climate change is not real or severe? If the links are not permissible then can you give the search string that will lead to the right results/pages. Thanks "Follow the science"! "Protect the NHS"! "500,000 deaths if you don't do what we say"! I'm sure the "experts" know what they are doing. We have absolutely no recent experience of them being catastrophically wrong about anything. Climate change denier Covid denier Tory voter? Brexit voter? We might have a full house I doubt it, the climate has always changed. I've had COVID twice, and incredibly I survived it. I haven't voted in twenty years. Maybe you need to start confronting your own prejudices. Ah it sounds as if you truly are an eminent climate expert as well as an experienced + trusted medical dr too. Tbh, he had Covid twice and survived, so obviously it was all just a hoax I think there may be a slight lack of logic in your comment there. Try harder. Is there? Do you think COVID was a hoax? " Well given that I've already said that I've had it twice it's slightly difficult for me to suggest it's a hoax, no? But sure, "COVID DENIER"! At what point will you start accusing me of being a racist and transphobe. I fear it's probably inevitable given the lack of any logical position on your part. | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field. If you are so confident climate change is nothing to be concerned about, that belief must be based on something more than just your gut instinct right? I mean you must have seen or read things that disprove the thousands of scientific studies that have generated consensus amongst at least 95% of the scientific community. Please can you therefore provide links to peer-reviewed scientific studies that show climate change is not real or severe? If the links are not permissible then can you give the search string that will lead to the right results/pages. Thanks "Follow the science"! "Protect the NHS"! "500,000 deaths if you don't do what we say"! I'm sure the "experts" know what they are doing. We have absolutely no recent experience of them being catastrophically wrong about anything. Climate change denier Covid denier Tory voter? Brexit voter? We might have a full house I doubt it, the climate has always changed. I've had COVID twice, and incredibly I survived it. I haven't voted in twenty years. Maybe you need to start confronting your own prejudices. Ah it sounds as if you truly are an eminent climate expert as well as an experienced + trusted medical dr too. Tbh, he had Covid twice and survived, so obviously it was all just a hoax I think there may be a slight lack of logic in your comment there. Try harder. Is there? Do you think COVID was a hoax? Well given that I've already said that I've had it twice it's slightly difficult for me to suggest it's a hoax, no? But sure, "COVID DENIER"! At what point will you start accusing me of being a racist and transphobe. I fear it's probably inevitable given the lack of any logical position on your part." I am trying to work out your stance on the Covid pandemic, what do you think went wrong ? Have you had the vaccine ? | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field. If you are so confident climate change is nothing to be concerned about, that belief must be based on something more than just your gut instinct right? I mean you must have seen or read things that disprove the thousands of scientific studies that have generated consensus amongst at least 95% of the scientific community. Please can you therefore provide links to peer-reviewed scientific studies that show climate change is not real or severe? If the links are not permissible then can you give the search string that will lead to the right results/pages. Thanks "Follow the science"! "Protect the NHS"! "500,000 deaths if you don't do what we say"! I'm sure the "experts" know what they are doing. We have absolutely no recent experience of them being catastrophically wrong about anything. Climate change denier Covid denier Tory voter? Brexit voter? We might have a full house I doubt it, the climate has always changed. I've had COVID twice, and incredibly I survived it. I haven't voted in twenty years. Maybe you need to start confronting your own prejudices. Ah it sounds as if you truly are an eminent climate expert as well as an experienced + trusted medical dr too. Tbh, he had Covid twice and survived, so obviously it was all just a hoax I think there may be a slight lack of logic in your comment there. Try harder. Is there? Do you think COVID was a hoax? Well given that I've already said that I've had it twice it's slightly difficult for me to suggest it's a hoax, no? But sure, "COVID DENIER"! At what point will you start accusing me of being a racist and transphobe. I fear it's probably inevitable given the lack of any logical position on your part. I am trying to work out your stance on the Covid pandemic, what do you think went wrong ? Have you had the vaccine ? " Why are you concerned about my vaccine status? You know you can't catch COVID via the internet? | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field. If you are so confident climate change is nothing to be concerned about, that belief must be based on something more than just your gut instinct right? I mean you must have seen or read things that disprove the thousands of scientific studies that have generated consensus amongst at least 95% of the scientific community. Please can you therefore provide links to peer-reviewed scientific studies that show climate change is not real or severe? If the links are not permissible then can you give the search string that will lead to the right results/pages. Thanks "Follow the science"! "Protect the NHS"! "500,000 deaths if you don't do what we say"! I'm sure the "experts" know what they are doing. We have absolutely no recent experience of them being catastrophically wrong about anything. Climate change denier Covid denier Tory voter? Brexit voter? We might have a full house I doubt it, the climate has always changed. I've had COVID twice, and incredibly I survived it. I haven't voted in twenty years. Maybe you need to start confronting your own prejudices. Ah it sounds as if you truly are an eminent climate expert as well as an experienced + trusted medical dr too. Tbh, he had Covid twice and survived, so obviously it was all just a hoax I think there may be a slight lack of logic in your comment there. Try harder. Is there? Do you think COVID was a hoax? Well given that I've already said that I've had it twice it's slightly difficult for me to suggest it's a hoax, no? But sure, "COVID DENIER"! At what point will you start accusing me of being a racist and transphobe. I fear it's probably inevitable given the lack of any logical position on your part. I am trying to work out your stance on the Covid pandemic, what do you think went wrong ? Have you had the vaccine ? Why are you concerned about my vaccine status? You know you can't catch COVID via the internet?" Hmm not sure. You evr heard of them computer viruses? | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field. If you are so confident climate change is nothing to be concerned about, that belief must be based on something more than just your gut instinct right? I mean you must have seen or read things that disprove the thousands of scientific studies that have generated consensus amongst at least 95% of the scientific community. Please can you therefore provide links to peer-reviewed scientific studies that show climate change is not real or severe? If the links are not permissible then can you give the search string that will lead to the right results/pages. Thanks "Follow the science"! "Protect the NHS"! "500,000 deaths if you don't do what we say"! I'm sure the "experts" know what they are doing. We have absolutely no recent experience of them being catastrophically wrong about anything. Climate change denier Covid denier Tory voter? Brexit voter? We might have a full house I doubt it, the climate has always changed. I've had COVID twice, and incredibly I survived it. I haven't voted in twenty years. Maybe you need to start confronting your own prejudices. Ah it sounds as if you truly are an eminent climate expert as well as an experienced + trusted medical dr too. Tbh, he had Covid twice and survived, so obviously it was all just a hoax I think there may be a slight lack of logic in your comment there. Try harder. Is there? Do you think COVID was a hoax? Well given that I've already said that I've had it twice it's slightly difficult for me to suggest it's a hoax, no? But sure, "COVID DENIER"! At what point will you start accusing me of being a racist and transphobe. I fear it's probably inevitable given the lack of any logical position on your part." It’s ‘the law’ on here, post something that a few regulars don’t like and you get branded racist. | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field. If you are so confident climate change is nothing to be concerned about, that belief must be based on something more than just your gut instinct right? I mean you must have seen or read things that disprove the thousands of scientific studies that have generated consensus amongst at least 95% of the scientific community. Please can you therefore provide links to peer-reviewed scientific studies that show climate change is not real or severe? If the links are not permissible then can you give the search string that will lead to the right results/pages. Thanks "Follow the science"! "Protect the NHS"! "500,000 deaths if you don't do what we say"! I'm sure the "experts" know what they are doing. We have absolutely no recent experience of them being catastrophically wrong about anything. Climate change denier Covid denier Tory voter? Brexit voter? We might have a full house I doubt it, the climate has always changed. I've had COVID twice, and incredibly I survived it. I haven't voted in twenty years. Maybe you need to start confronting your own prejudices. Ah it sounds as if you truly are an eminent climate expert as well as an experienced + trusted medical dr too. Tbh, he had Covid twice and survived, so obviously it was all just a hoax I think there may be a slight lack of logic in your comment there. Try harder. Is there? Do you think COVID was a hoax? Well given that I've already said that I've had it twice it's slightly difficult for me to suggest it's a hoax, no? But sure, "COVID DENIER"! At what point will you start accusing me of being a racist and transphobe. I fear it's probably inevitable given the lack of any logical position on your part. I am trying to work out your stance on the Covid pandemic, what do you think went wrong ? Have you had the vaccine ? Why are you concerned about my vaccine status? You know you can't catch COVID via the internet?" I think the point is, when asked (by me) about whether you had any scientific evidence for your belief that Climate Change is a crisis you didn’t provide any but instead used trust/lack of trust in scientists around Covid as a way of saying “huh who needs evidence”. I am reading from your post(s) that you think the Governments of the world over-reacted to Covid and that it was less serious than we were told. Is that a fair assumption? | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field. If you are so confident climate change is nothing to be concerned about, that belief must be based on something more than just your gut instinct right? I mean you must have seen or read things that disprove the thousands of scientific studies that have generated consensus amongst at least 95% of the scientific community. Please can you therefore provide links to peer-reviewed scientific studies that show climate change is not real or severe? If the links are not permissible then can you give the search string that will lead to the right results/pages. Thanks "Follow the science"! "Protect the NHS"! "500,000 deaths if you don't do what we say"! I'm sure the "experts" know what they are doing. We have absolutely no recent experience of them being catastrophically wrong about anything. Climate change denier Covid denier Tory voter? Brexit voter? We might have a full house I doubt it, the climate has always changed. I've had COVID twice, and incredibly I survived it. I haven't voted in twenty years. Maybe you need to start confronting your own prejudices. Ah it sounds as if you truly are an eminent climate expert as well as an experienced + trusted medical dr too. Tbh, he had Covid twice and survived, so obviously it was all just a hoax I think there may be a slight lack of logic in your comment there. Try harder. Is there? Do you think COVID was a hoax? Well given that I've already said that I've had it twice it's slightly difficult for me to suggest it's a hoax, no? But sure, "COVID DENIER"! At what point will you start accusing me of being a racist and transphobe. I fear it's probably inevitable given the lack of any logical position on your part. It’s ‘the law’ on here, post something that a few regulars don’t like and you get branded racist." Is Buck gonna get called racist for not thinking Covid was as serious as we were initially les to believe? That would be a leap. Virusist maybe but racist? | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field. If you are so confident climate change is nothing to be concerned about, that belief must be based on something more than just your gut instinct right? I mean you must have seen or read things that disprove the thousands of scientific studies that have generated consensus amongst at least 95% of the scientific community. Please can you therefore provide links to peer-reviewed scientific studies that show climate change is not real or severe? If the links are not permissible then can you give the search string that will lead to the right results/pages. Thanks "Follow the science"! "Protect the NHS"! "500,000 deaths if you don't do what we say"! I'm sure the "experts" know what they are doing. We have absolutely no recent experience of them being catastrophically wrong about anything. Climate change denier Covid denier Tory voter? Brexit voter? We might have a full house I doubt it, the climate has always changed. I've had COVID twice, and incredibly I survived it. I haven't voted in twenty years. Maybe you need to start confronting your own prejudices. Ah it sounds as if you truly are an eminent climate expert as well as an experienced + trusted medical dr too. Tbh, he had Covid twice and survived, so obviously it was all just a hoax I think there may be a slight lack of logic in your comment there. Try harder. Is there? Do you think COVID was a hoax? Well given that I've already said that I've had it twice it's slightly difficult for me to suggest it's a hoax, no? But sure, "COVID DENIER"! At what point will you start accusing me of being a racist and transphobe. I fear it's probably inevitable given the lack of any logical position on your part. I am trying to work out your stance on the Covid pandemic, what do you think went wrong ? Have you had the vaccine ? Why are you concerned about my vaccine status? You know you can't catch COVID via the internet?" I am not concerned, why are you too scared to admit if you have had the vaccine or not? Btw, I have had 2 and the booster | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field. If you are so confident climate change is nothing to be concerned about, that belief must be based on something more than just your gut instinct right? I mean you must have seen or read things that disprove the thousands of scientific studies that have generated consensus amongst at least 95% of the scientific community. Please can you therefore provide links to peer-reviewed scientific studies that show climate change is not real or severe? If the links are not permissible then can you give the search string that will lead to the right results/pages. Thanks "Follow the science"! "Protect the NHS"! "500,000 deaths if you don't do what we say"! I'm sure the "experts" know what they are doing. We have absolutely no recent experience of them being catastrophically wrong about anything. Climate change denier Covid denier Tory voter? Brexit voter? We might have a full house I doubt it, the climate has always changed. I've had COVID twice, and incredibly I survived it. I haven't voted in twenty years. Maybe you need to start confronting your own prejudices. Ah it sounds as if you truly are an eminent climate expert as well as an experienced + trusted medical dr too. Tbh, he had Covid twice and survived, so obviously it was all just a hoax I think there may be a slight lack of logic in your comment there. Try harder. Is there? Do you think COVID was a hoax? Well given that I've already said that I've had it twice it's slightly difficult for me to suggest it's a hoax, no? But sure, "COVID DENIER"! At what point will you start accusing me of being a racist and transphobe. I fear it's probably inevitable given the lack of any logical position on your part. It’s ‘the law’ on here, post something that a few regulars don’t like and you get branded racist." When did this happen? However, if a person posts racist nonsense on here they will quite rightly be called a racist | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field. If you are so confident climate change is nothing to be concerned about, that belief must be based on something more than just your gut instinct right? I mean you must have seen or read things that disprove the thousands of scientific studies that have generated consensus amongst at least 95% of the scientific community. Please can you therefore provide links to peer-reviewed scientific studies that show climate change is not real or severe? If the links are not permissible then can you give the search string that will lead to the right results/pages. Thanks "Follow the science"! "Protect the NHS"! "500,000 deaths if you don't do what we say"! I'm sure the "experts" know what they are doing. We have absolutely no recent experience of them being catastrophically wrong about anything. Climate change denier Covid denier Tory voter? Brexit voter? We might have a full house I doubt it, the climate has always changed. I've had COVID twice, and incredibly I survived it. I haven't voted in twenty years. Maybe you need to start confronting your own prejudices. Ah it sounds as if you truly are an eminent climate expert as well as an experienced + trusted medical dr too. Tbh, he had Covid twice and survived, so obviously it was all just a hoax I think there may be a slight lack of logic in your comment there. Try harder. Is there? Do you think COVID was a hoax? Well given that I've already said that I've had it twice it's slightly difficult for me to suggest it's a hoax, no? But sure, "COVID DENIER"! At what point will you start accusing me of being a racist and transphobe. I fear it's probably inevitable given the lack of any logical position on your part. I am trying to work out your stance on the Covid pandemic, what do you think went wrong ? Have you had the vaccine ? Why are you concerned about my vaccine status? You know you can't catch COVID via the internet? I am not concerned, why are you too scared to admit if you have had the vaccine or not? Btw, I have had 2 and the booster " Why would I be "scared"? Maybe I just don't fancy sharing my medical history with some random on the internet. | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field. If you are so confident climate change is nothing to be concerned about, that belief must be based on something more than just your gut instinct right? I mean you must have seen or read things that disprove the thousands of scientific studies that have generated consensus amongst at least 95% of the scientific community. Please can you therefore provide links to peer-reviewed scientific studies that show climate change is not real or severe? If the links are not permissible then can you give the search string that will lead to the right results/pages. Thanks "Follow the science"! "Protect the NHS"! "500,000 deaths if you don't do what we say"! I'm sure the "experts" know what they are doing. We have absolutely no recent experience of them being catastrophically wrong about anything. Climate change denier Covid denier Tory voter? Brexit voter? We might have a full house I doubt it, the climate has always changed. I've had COVID twice, and incredibly I survived it. I haven't voted in twenty years. Maybe you need to start confronting your own prejudices. Ah it sounds as if you truly are an eminent climate expert as well as an experienced + trusted medical dr too. Tbh, he had Covid twice and survived, so obviously it was all just a hoax I think there may be a slight lack of logic in your comment there. Try harder. Is there? Do you think COVID was a hoax? Well given that I've already said that I've had it twice it's slightly difficult for me to suggest it's a hoax, no? But sure, "COVID DENIER"! At what point will you start accusing me of being a racist and transphobe. I fear it's probably inevitable given the lack of any logical position on your part. I am trying to work out your stance on the Covid pandemic, what do you think went wrong ? Have you had the vaccine ? Why are you concerned about my vaccine status? You know you can't catch COVID via the internet? I think the point is, when asked (by me) about whether you had any scientific evidence for your belief that Climate Change is a crisis you didn’t provide any but instead used trust/lack of trust in scientists around Covid as a way of saying “huh who needs evidence”. I am reading from your post(s) that you think the Governments of the world over-reacted to Covid and that it was less serious than we were told. Is that a fair assumption?" Governments panicked and in some cases overreacted. Given the circumstances it’s quite understandable. Ours however, put the fear of god into us all every evening then went off and partied. That is inexcusable. The vaccine rollout was great and I felt very proud and grateful to all the volunteers as I queued for mine. I then suffered as a result with a very large pulmonary embolism in my lung that strained my heart. This time last year I couldn’t walk up a flight of stairs. I’m not an anti vaxxer in anyway, although no more for me thank you. I’m no conspiracist either and I accept that millions had the same jabs as me with no nasty effects, but I feel there is still a lot to come out about the AstraZeneca jabs. | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field. If you are so confident climate change is nothing to be concerned about, that belief must be based on something more than just your gut instinct right? I mean you must have seen or read things that disprove the thousands of scientific studies that have generated consensus amongst at least 95% of the scientific community. Please can you therefore provide links to peer-reviewed scientific studies that show climate change is not real or severe? If the links are not permissible then can you give the search string that will lead to the right results/pages. Thanks "Follow the science"! "Protect the NHS"! "500,000 deaths if you don't do what we say"! I'm sure the "experts" know what they are doing. We have absolutely no recent experience of them being catastrophically wrong about anything. Climate change denier Covid denier Tory voter? Brexit voter? We might have a full house I doubt it, the climate has always changed. I've had COVID twice, and incredibly I survived it. I haven't voted in twenty years. Maybe you need to start confronting your own prejudices. Ah it sounds as if you truly are an eminent climate expert as well as an experienced + trusted medical dr too. Tbh, he had Covid twice and survived, so obviously it was all just a hoax I think there may be a slight lack of logic in your comment there. Try harder. Is there? Do you think COVID was a hoax? Well given that I've already said that I've had it twice it's slightly difficult for me to suggest it's a hoax, no? But sure, "COVID DENIER"! At what point will you start accusing me of being a racist and transphobe. I fear it's probably inevitable given the lack of any logical position on your part. I am trying to work out your stance on the Covid pandemic, what do you think went wrong ? Have you had the vaccine ? Why are you concerned about my vaccine status? You know you can't catch COVID via the internet? I am not concerned, why are you too scared to admit if you have had the vaccine or not? Btw, I have had 2 and the booster Why would I be "scared"? Maybe I just don't fancy sharing my medical history with some random on the internet." Medical history? Anyway, that is your choice, I am sure you will agree that the vaccine saved millions of lives and helped dramatically slow down the virus. | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field. If you are so confident climate change is nothing to be concerned about, that belief must be based on something more than just your gut instinct right? I mean you must have seen or read things that disprove the thousands of scientific studies that have generated consensus amongst at least 95% of the scientific community. Please can you therefore provide links to peer-reviewed scientific studies that show climate change is not real or severe? If the links are not permissible then can you give the search string that will lead to the right results/pages. Thanks "Follow the science"! "Protect the NHS"! "500,000 deaths if you don't do what we say"! I'm sure the "experts" know what they are doing. We have absolutely no recent experience of them being catastrophically wrong about anything. Climate change denier Covid denier Tory voter? Brexit voter? We might have a full house I doubt it, the climate has always changed. I've had COVID twice, and incredibly I survived it. I haven't voted in twenty years. Maybe you need to start confronting your own prejudices. Ah it sounds as if you truly are an eminent climate expert as well as an experienced + trusted medical dr too. Tbh, he had Covid twice and survived, so obviously it was all just a hoax I think there may be a slight lack of logic in your comment there. Try harder. Is there? Do you think COVID was a hoax? Well given that I've already said that I've had it twice it's slightly difficult for me to suggest it's a hoax, no? But sure, "COVID DENIER"! At what point will you start accusing me of being a racist and transphobe. I fear it's probably inevitable given the lack of any logical position on your part. I am trying to work out your stance on the Covid pandemic, what do you think went wrong ? Have you had the vaccine ? Why are you concerned about my vaccine status? You know you can't catch COVID via the internet? I think the point is, when asked (by me) about whether you had any scientific evidence for your belief that Climate Change is a crisis you didn’t provide any but instead used trust/lack of trust in scientists around Covid as a way of saying “huh who needs evidence”. I am reading from your post(s) that you think the Governments of the world over-reacted to Covid and that it was less serious than we were told. Is that a fair assumption? Governments panicked and in some cases overreacted. Given the circumstances it’s quite understandable. Ours however, put the fear of god into us all every evening then went off and partied. That is inexcusable. The vaccine rollout was great and I felt very proud and grateful to all the volunteers as I queued for mine. I then suffered as a result with a very large pulmonary embolism in my lung that strained my heart. This time last year I couldn’t walk up a flight of stairs. I’m not an anti vaxxer in anyway, although no more for me thank you. I’m no conspiracist either and I accept that millions had the same jabs as me with no nasty effects, but I feel there is still a lot to come out about the AstraZeneca jabs." I am sorry to hear that , no vaccine will ever be 100% safe, however, the benefits far outweigh the negatives | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field. If you are so confident climate change is nothing to be concerned about, that belief must be based on something more than just your gut instinct right? I mean you must have seen or read things that disprove the thousands of scientific studies that have generated consensus amongst at least 95% of the scientific community. Please can you therefore provide links to peer-reviewed scientific studies that show climate change is not real or severe? If the links are not permissible then can you give the search string that will lead to the right results/pages. Thanks "Follow the science"! "Protect the NHS"! "500,000 deaths if you don't do what we say"! I'm sure the "experts" know what they are doing. We have absolutely no recent experience of them being catastrophically wrong about anything. Climate change denier Covid denier Tory voter? Brexit voter? We might have a full house I doubt it, the climate has always changed. I've had COVID twice, and incredibly I survived it. I haven't voted in twenty years. Maybe you need to start confronting your own prejudices. Ah it sounds as if you truly are an eminent climate expert as well as an experienced + trusted medical dr too. Tbh, he had Covid twice and survived, so obviously it was all just a hoax I think there may be a slight lack of logic in your comment there. Try harder. Is there? Do you think COVID was a hoax? Well given that I've already said that I've had it twice it's slightly difficult for me to suggest it's a hoax, no? But sure, "COVID DENIER"! At what point will you start accusing me of being a racist and transphobe. I fear it's probably inevitable given the lack of any logical position on your part. I am trying to work out your stance on the Covid pandemic, what do you think went wrong ? Have you had the vaccine ? Why are you concerned about my vaccine status? You know you can't catch COVID via the internet? I think the point is, when asked (by me) about whether you had any scientific evidence for your belief that Climate Change is a crisis you didn’t provide any but instead used trust/lack of trust in scientists around Covid as a way of saying “huh who needs evidence”. I am reading from your post(s) that you think the Governments of the world over-reacted to Covid and that it was less serious than we were told. Is that a fair assumption? Governments panicked and in some cases overreacted. Given the circumstances it’s quite understandable. Ours however, put the fear of god into us all every evening then went off and partied. That is inexcusable. The vaccine rollout was great and I felt very proud and grateful to all the volunteers as I queued for mine. I then suffered as a result with a very large pulmonary embolism in my lung that strained my heart. This time last year I couldn’t walk up a flight of stairs. I’m not an anti vaxxer in anyway, although no more for me thank you. I’m no conspiracist either and I accept that millions had the same jabs as me with no nasty effects, but I feel there is still a lot to come out about the AstraZeneca jabs. I am sorry to hear that , no vaccine will ever be 100% safe, however, the benefits far outweigh the negatives " Agreed - that’s a first! | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field. If you are so confident climate change is nothing to be concerned about, that belief must be based on something more than just your gut instinct right? I mean you must have seen or read things that disprove the thousands of scientific studies that have generated consensus amongst at least 95% of the scientific community. Please can you therefore provide links to peer-reviewed scientific studies that show climate change is not real or severe? If the links are not permissible then can you give the search string that will lead to the right results/pages. Thanks "Follow the science"! "Protect the NHS"! "500,000 deaths if you don't do what we say"! I'm sure the "experts" know what they are doing. We have absolutely no recent experience of them being catastrophically wrong about anything. Climate change denier Covid denier Tory voter? Brexit voter? We might have a full house I doubt it, the climate has always changed. I've had COVID twice, and incredibly I survived it. I haven't voted in twenty years. Maybe you need to start confronting your own prejudices. Ah it sounds as if you truly are an eminent climate expert as well as an experienced + trusted medical dr too. Tbh, he had Covid twice and survived, so obviously it was all just a hoax I think there may be a slight lack of logic in your comment there. Try harder. Is there? Do you think COVID was a hoax? Well given that I've already said that I've had it twice it's slightly difficult for me to suggest it's a hoax, no? But sure, "COVID DENIER"! At what point will you start accusing me of being a racist and transphobe. I fear it's probably inevitable given the lack of any logical position on your part. I am trying to work out your stance on the Covid pandemic, what do you think went wrong ? Have you had the vaccine ? Why are you concerned about my vaccine status? You know you can't catch COVID via the internet? I think the point is, when asked (by me) about whether you had any scientific evidence for your belief that Climate Change is a crisis you didn’t provide any but instead used trust/lack of trust in scientists around Covid as a way of saying “huh who needs evidence”. I am reading from your post(s) that you think the Governments of the world over-reacted to Covid and that it was less serious than we were told. Is that a fair assumption? Governments panicked and in some cases overreacted. Given the circumstances it’s quite understandable. Ours however, put the fear of god into us all every evening then went off and partied. That is inexcusable. The vaccine rollout was great and I felt very proud and grateful to all the volunteers as I queued for mine. I then suffered as a result with a very large pulmonary embolism in my lung that strained my heart. This time last year I couldn’t walk up a flight of stairs. I’m not an anti vaxxer in anyway, although no more for me thank you. I’m no conspiracist either and I accept that millions had the same jabs as me with no nasty effects, but I feel there is still a lot to come out about the AstraZeneca jabs." I love it when common ground is found or we destroy the tribalist barriers that seem to perpetuate everywhere and particularly on social media. I agree with some of what you said. Some of the actions of our Govt were appalling. I was very vocal on the Virus section about pro-choice and body autonomy and would call out all those who were advocating exclusion from society of those not having the vaccines. Sorry to hear about your bad experience of the AZ. At least you are still here and fit n ready to keep arguing and baiting. | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field. If you are so confident climate change is nothing to be concerned about, that belief must be based on something more than just your gut instinct right? I mean you must have seen or read things that disprove the thousands of scientific studies that have generated consensus amongst at least 95% of the scientific community. Please can you therefore provide links to peer-reviewed scientific studies that show climate change is not real or severe? If the links are not permissible then can you give the search string that will lead to the right results/pages. Thanks "Follow the science"! "Protect the NHS"! "500,000 deaths if you don't do what we say"! I'm sure the "experts" know what they are doing. We have absolutely no recent experience of them being catastrophically wrong about anything. Climate change denier Covid denier Tory voter? Brexit voter? We might have a full house I doubt it, the climate has always changed. I've had COVID twice, and incredibly I survived it. I haven't voted in twenty years. Maybe you need to start confronting your own prejudices." Yes, the climate has always changed and there's been high points and low points, but the difference here is how fast it's changing. I know we with our very short lifespans (humanity as a species has been on this planet for about 0.0004% of it's lifespan), we tend to judge things based on our own very skewed concept of time, but while changes over a few decades seem slow to us, they are much much faster than when it's a normal change like those started with milankovitch cycles which usually happen over millenia at least. Only with extreme events (like that meteor 65 million years ago) do the climate systems of the earth change so rapidly. We're causing a big splash and we're only now starting to feel the proper effects of it, and while a lot of you idiots simply dismiss it thinking we'll just get through it because we great humans previously beat other groups of humans, with how much the hydrological systems are shifting and how much our overly sensitive domestic crops we rely on are starting to fail, this weird complex civilisation so many folk simply take as reality likely won't. | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field. If you are so confident climate change is nothing to be concerned about, that belief must be based on something more than just your gut instinct right? I mean you must have seen or read things that disprove the thousands of scientific studies that have generated consensus amongst at least 95% of the scientific community. Please can you therefore provide links to peer-reviewed scientific studies that show climate change is not real or severe? If the links are not permissible then can you give the search string that will lead to the right results/pages. Thanks "Follow the science"! "Protect the NHS"! "500,000 deaths if you don't do what we say"! I'm sure the "experts" know what they are doing. We have absolutely no recent experience of them being catastrophically wrong about anything. Climate change denier Covid denier Tory voter? Brexit voter? We might have a full house I doubt it, the climate has always changed. I've had COVID twice, and incredibly I survived it. I haven't voted in twenty years. Maybe you need to start confronting your own prejudices. Yes, the climate has always changed and there's been high points and low points, but the difference here is how fast it's changing. I know we with our very short lifespans (humanity as a species has been on this planet for about 0.0004% of it's lifespan), we tend to judge things based on our own very skewed concept of time, but while changes over a few decades seem slow to us, they are much much faster than when it's a normal change like those started with milankovitch cycles which usually happen over millenia at least. Only with extreme events (like that meteor 65 million years ago) do the climate systems of the earth change so rapidly. We're causing a big splash and we're only now starting to feel the proper effects of it, and while a lot of you idiots simply dismiss it thinking we'll just get through it because we great humans previously beat other groups of humans, with how much the hydrological systems are shifting and how much our overly sensitive domestic crops we rely on are starting to fail, this weird complex civilisation so many folk simply take as reality likely won't." You never know, this could be the natural evolution of our species in action, those that can't adapt die off. What would human 1.1 need to be? | |||
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"Strange how my post about the extreme reporting on climate change, and my question as to why population growth doesn’t get the same coverage, leads to shouts of ‘sceptic’ or ‘denier’ and ‘read the science’ etc. I’m not saying we shouldn’t change our ways and be cleaner, to do this you need to have people onboard, this won’t happen by putting the fear of good into people over every extreme weather event." You really don't understand what you write, do you? Nobody has said that population growth is not a problem. NOBODY. You, however, denied that man-made climate change exists with zero supporting data. People should have been doing something about reducing our impact on the climate a long time ago. We could have made this decision and transitioned over many decades. However, it was denied and delayed to the point where a lot has to happen very quickly. Again, what are your trusted sources of data that justify your denial of man made climate change being a very serious global matter? | |||
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"Strange how my post about the extreme reporting on climate change, and my question as to why population growth doesn’t get the same coverage, leads to shouts of ‘sceptic’ or ‘denier’ and ‘read the science’ etc. I’m not saying we shouldn’t change our ways and be cleaner, to do this you need to have people onboard, this won’t happen by putting the fear of good into people over every extreme weather event." what's your position on climate change Seb? Is it happening? My view is that over population means the impact of extreme weather events is worse. And over population is a driver for climate change. But the events you describe were driven by extreme weather conditions. And we are seeing too many "extremes" to keep claiming statistical insignificance. At some point, if you toss enough heads in a row, you change from "an unlikely event happening" to 'biased coin" (or as a Bayesian I start to work with both possibilities rather than camp myself into one) | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field. If you are so confident climate change is nothing to be concerned about, that belief must be based on something more than just your gut instinct right? I mean you must have seen or read things that disprove the thousands of scientific studies that have generated consensus amongst at least 95% of the scientific community. Please can you therefore provide links to peer-reviewed scientific studies that show climate change is not real or severe? If the links are not permissible then can you give the search string that will lead to the right results/pages. Thanks "Follow the science"! "Protect the NHS"! "500,000 deaths if you don't do what we say"! I'm sure the "experts" know what they are doing. We have absolutely no recent experience of them being catastrophically wrong about anything. Climate change denier Covid denier Tory voter? Brexit voter? We might have a full house I doubt it, the climate has always changed. I've had COVID twice, and incredibly I survived it. I haven't voted in twenty years. Maybe you need to start confronting your own prejudices. Yes, the climate has always changed and there's been high points and low points, but the difference here is how fast it's changing. I know we with our very short lifespans (humanity as a species has been on this planet for about 0.0004% of it's lifespan), we tend to judge things based on our own very skewed concept of time, but while changes over a few decades seem slow to us, they are much much faster than when it's a normal change like those started with milankovitch cycles which usually happen over millenia at least. Only with extreme events (like that meteor 65 million years ago) do the climate systems of the earth change so rapidly. We're causing a big splash and we're only now starting to feel the proper effects of it, and while a lot of you idiots simply dismiss it thinking we'll just get through it because we great humans previously beat other groups of humans, with how much the hydrological systems are shifting and how much our overly sensitive domestic crops we rely on are starting to fail, this weird complex civilisation so many folk simply take as reality likely won't. You never know, this could be the natural evolution of our species in action, those that can't adapt die off. What would human 1.1 need to be? " The point is that is not "natural" evolution. It's artificial and happening far faster than most species can cope with. | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field. If you are so confident climate change is nothing to be concerned about, that belief must be based on something more than just your gut instinct right? I mean you must have seen or read things that disprove the thousands of scientific studies that have generated consensus amongst at least 95% of the scientific community. Please can you therefore provide links to peer-reviewed scientific studies that show climate change is not real or severe? If the links are not permissible then can you give the search string that will lead to the right results/pages. Thanks "Follow the science"! "Protect the NHS"! "500,000 deaths if you don't do what we say"! I'm sure the "experts" know what they are doing. We have absolutely no recent experience of them being catastrophically wrong about anything. Climate change denier Covid denier Tory voter? Brexit voter? We might have a full house I doubt it, the climate has always changed. I've had COVID twice, and incredibly I survived it. I haven't voted in twenty years. Maybe you need to start confronting your own prejudices. Yes, the climate has always changed and there's been high points and low points, but the difference here is how fast it's changing. I know we with our very short lifespans (humanity as a species has been on this planet for about 0.0004% of it's lifespan), we tend to judge things based on our own very skewed concept of time, but while changes over a few decades seem slow to us, they are much much faster than when it's a normal change like those started with milankovitch cycles which usually happen over millenia at least. Only with extreme events (like that meteor 65 million years ago) do the climate systems of the earth change so rapidly. We're causing a big splash and we're only now starting to feel the proper effects of it, and while a lot of you idiots simply dismiss it thinking we'll just get through it because we great humans previously beat other groups of humans, with how much the hydrological systems are shifting and how much our overly sensitive domestic crops we rely on are starting to fail, this weird complex civilisation so many folk simply take as reality likely won't. You never know, this could be the natural evolution of our species in action, those that can't adapt die off. What would human 1.1 need to be? The point is that is not "natural" evolution. It's artificial and happening far faster than most species can cope with." Exactly, humans have caused thousands of species of animals to become extinct, if things don’t change the next on the list will be all of us | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field. If you are so confident climate change is nothing to be concerned about, that belief must be based on something more than just your gut instinct right? I mean you must have seen or read things that disprove the thousands of scientific studies that have generated consensus amongst at least 95% of the scientific community. Please can you therefore provide links to peer-reviewed scientific studies that show climate change is not real or severe? If the links are not permissible then can you give the search string that will lead to the right results/pages. Thanks "Follow the science"! "Protect the NHS"! "500,000 deaths if you don't do what we say"! I'm sure the "experts" know what they are doing. We have absolutely no recent experience of them being catastrophically wrong about anything. Climate change denier Covid denier Tory voter? Brexit voter? We might have a full house I doubt it, the climate has always changed. I've had COVID twice, and incredibly I survived it. I haven't voted in twenty years. Maybe you need to start confronting your own prejudices. Yes, the climate has always changed and there's been high points and low points, but the difference here is how fast it's changing. I know we with our very short lifespans (humanity as a species has been on this planet for about 0.0004% of it's lifespan), we tend to judge things based on our own very skewed concept of time, but while changes over a few decades seem slow to us, they are much much faster than when it's a normal change like those started with milankovitch cycles which usually happen over millenia at least. Only with extreme events (like that meteor 65 million years ago) do the climate systems of the earth change so rapidly. We're causing a big splash and we're only now starting to feel the proper effects of it, and while a lot of you idiots simply dismiss it thinking we'll just get through it because we great humans previously beat other groups of humans, with how much the hydrological systems are shifting and how much our overly sensitive domestic crops we rely on are starting to fail, this weird complex civilisation so many folk simply take as reality likely won't. You never know, this could be the natural evolution of our species in action, those that can't adapt die off. What would human 1.1 need to be? " Well I like your optimism, but I'm taking and depends if we can organise something like the French Revolution before the powerful retreat into their bunkers.
And I'd be looking at these things more as maybe a reason why there doesn't seem to be intelligent life im the cosmos. Of course the distances and timescales between different intelligent life forms must be enormous, but intelligence actually may be it's own undoing in some ways. While we've advanced a long way with it, I'd say we likely advanced far quicker than we could possibly adapt to, and the intelligence also allowed us to get lost in overshoot and destabilise earth system trends in ways we only recognised after we'd already become reliant on the systems we'd built up destabilising them.
We also have gotten so utterly lost in this fantasy world of our own creation within reality that's based on rules and social constructs imagined when we still thought the whole world was just about us.
As far as humanity's chances go, definitely not at this scale and our reliance on global supply chains. Even basic agriculture is going to struggle, nevermind industrial agriculture with how much it's making things worse in soil terms.
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field. If you are so confident climate change is nothing to be concerned about, that belief must be based on something more than just your gut instinct right? I mean you must have seen or read things that disprove the thousands of scientific studies that have generated consensus amongst at least 95% of the scientific community. Please can you therefore provide links to peer-reviewed scientific studies that show climate change is not real or severe? If the links are not permissible then can you give the search string that will lead to the right results/pages. Thanks "Follow the science"! "Protect the NHS"! "500,000 deaths if you don't do what we say"! I'm sure the "experts" know what they are doing. We have absolutely no recent experience of them being catastrophically wrong about anything. Climate change denier Covid denier Tory voter? Brexit voter? We might have a full house I doubt it, the climate has always changed. I've had COVID twice, and incredibly I survived it. I haven't voted in twenty years. Maybe you need to start confronting your own prejudices. Yes, the climate has always changed and there's been high points and low points, but the difference here is how fast it's changing. I know we with our very short lifespans (humanity as a species has been on this planet for about 0.0004% of it's lifespan), we tend to judge things based on our own very skewed concept of time, but while changes over a few decades seem slow to us, they are much much faster than when it's a normal change like those started with milankovitch cycles which usually happen over millenia at least. Only with extreme events (like that meteor 65 million years ago) do the climate systems of the earth change so rapidly. We're causing a big splash and we're only now starting to feel the proper effects of it, and while a lot of you idiots simply dismiss it thinking we'll just get through it because we great humans previously beat other groups of humans, with how much the hydrological systems are shifting and how much our overly sensitive domestic crops we rely on are starting to fail, this weird complex civilisation so many folk simply take as reality likely won't. You never know, this could be the natural evolution of our species in action, those that can't adapt die off. What would human 1.1 need to be? The point is that is not "natural" evolution. It's artificial and happening far faster than most species can cope with." Exactly. Organisms can adapt when things happen gradually. When it's such a sudden shift while they still have inbuilt instincts that have them flock to certain areas assuming they're safe, things just go downhill. Climate change isn't the issue. It's just a symptom of the main problem, like soil breakdown, ecological degradation and the crazy increase in pollution (especially after the petrochemical industry convinced the populace that plastics were fine because sometimes they can be recycled) The problem is our species' rapid growth in an extremely short amount of time that's destabilising so much around us, and while we like to think we're separate from the natural world, we depend on those systems so very much. My hope is that even in the worst case scenario, a few million years down the line the earth will probably be thriving with all sorts of unique beautiful life again. | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field. If you are so confident climate change is nothing to be concerned about, that belief must be based on something more than just your gut instinct right? I mean you must have seen or read things that disprove the thousands of scientific studies that have generated consensus amongst at least 95% of the scientific community. Please can you therefore provide links to peer-reviewed scientific studies that show climate change is not real or severe? If the links are not permissible then can you give the search string that will lead to the right results/pages. Thanks "Follow the science"! "Protect the NHS"! "500,000 deaths if you don't do what we say"! I'm sure the "experts" know what they are doing. We have absolutely no recent experience of them being catastrophically wrong about anything. Climate change denier Covid denier Tory voter? Brexit voter? We might have a full house I doubt it, the climate has always changed. I've had COVID twice, and incredibly I survived it. I haven't voted in twenty years. Maybe you need to start confronting your own prejudices. Yes, the climate has always changed and there's been high points and low points, but the difference here is how fast it's changing. I know we with our very short lifespans (humanity as a species has been on this planet for about 0.0004% of it's lifespan), we tend to judge things based on our own very skewed concept of time, but while changes over a few decades seem slow to us, they are much much faster than when it's a normal change like those started with milankovitch cycles which usually happen over millenia at least. Only with extreme events (like that meteor 65 million years ago) do the climate systems of the earth change so rapidly. We're causing a big splash and we're only now starting to feel the proper effects of it, and while a lot of you idiots simply dismiss it thinking we'll just get through it because we great humans previously beat other groups of humans, with how much the hydrological systems are shifting and how much our overly sensitive domestic crops we rely on are starting to fail, this weird complex civilisation so many folk simply take as reality likely won't. You never know, this could be the natural evolution of our species in action, those that can't adapt die off. What would human 1.1 need to be? The point is that is not "natural" evolution. It's artificial and happening far faster than most species can cope with. Exactly. Organisms can adapt when things happen gradually. When it's such a sudden shift while they still have inbuilt instincts that have them flock to certain areas assuming they're safe, things just go downhill. Climate change isn't the issue. It's just a symptom of the main problem, like soil breakdown, ecological degradation and the crazy increase in pollution (especially after the petrochemical industry convinced the populace that plastics were fine because sometimes they can be recycled) The problem is our species' rapid growth in an extremely short amount of time that's destabilising so much around us, and while we like to think we're separate from the natural world, we depend on those systems so very much. My hope is that even in the worst case scenario, a few million years down the line the earth will probably be thriving with all sorts of unique beautiful life again. " It is thriving with beautiful unique life right now. Enjoy it rather than worrying about a million years on | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field. If you are so confident climate change is nothing to be concerned about, that belief must be based on something more than just your gut instinct right? I mean you must have seen or read things that disprove the thousands of scientific studies that have generated consensus amongst at least 95% of the scientific community. Please can you therefore provide links to peer-reviewed scientific studies that show climate change is not real or severe? If the links are not permissible then can you give the search string that will lead to the right results/pages. Thanks "Follow the science"! "Protect the NHS"! "500,000 deaths if you don't do what we say"! I'm sure the "experts" know what they are doing. We have absolutely no recent experience of them being catastrophically wrong about anything. Climate change denier Covid denier Tory voter? Brexit voter? We might have a full house I doubt it, the climate has always changed. I've had COVID twice, and incredibly I survived it. I haven't voted in twenty years. Maybe you need to start confronting your own prejudices. Yes, the climate has always changed and there's been high points and low points, but the difference here is how fast it's changing. I know we with our very short lifespans (humanity as a species has been on this planet for about 0.0004% of it's lifespan), we tend to judge things based on our own very skewed concept of time, but while changes over a few decades seem slow to us, they are much much faster than when it's a normal change like those started with milankovitch cycles which usually happen over millenia at least. Only with extreme events (like that meteor 65 million years ago) do the climate systems of the earth change so rapidly. We're causing a big splash and we're only now starting to feel the proper effects of it, and while a lot of you idiots simply dismiss it thinking we'll just get through it because we great humans previously beat other groups of humans, with how much the hydrological systems are shifting and how much our overly sensitive domestic crops we rely on are starting to fail, this weird complex civilisation so many folk simply take as reality likely won't. You never know, this could be the natural evolution of our species in action, those that can't adapt die off. What would human 1.1 need to be? The point is that is not "natural" evolution. It's artificial and happening far faster than most species can cope with. Exactly. Organisms can adapt when things happen gradually. When it's such a sudden shift while they still have inbuilt instincts that have them flock to certain areas assuming they're safe, things just go downhill. Climate change isn't the issue. It's just a symptom of the main problem, like soil breakdown, ecological degradation and the crazy increase in pollution (especially after the petrochemical industry convinced the populace that plastics were fine because sometimes they can be recycled) The problem is our species' rapid growth in an extremely short amount of time that's destabilising so much around us, and while we like to think we're separate from the natural world, we depend on those systems so very much. My hope is that even in the worst case scenario, a few million years down the line the earth will probably be thriving with all sorts of unique beautiful life again. " Energy consumption is our greatest challenge, finding and harnessing power that is efficient will unlock our future potential. I believe until we lose countries and become a world race that is not hell bent on wiping out others, we will always struggle with energy consumption and manufacture, as it is clearly weaponised in todays society. The subject of climate change, is bringing countries together to work more closely, but this is a breadcrumb step towards a much more complicated solution that needs to be found, in the future of this planet, our race and their futures. | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field. If you are so confident climate change is nothing to be concerned about, that belief must be based on something more than just your gut instinct right? I mean you must have seen or read things that disprove the thousands of scientific studies that have generated consensus amongst at least 95% of the scientific community. Please can you therefore provide links to peer-reviewed scientific studies that show climate change is not real or severe? If the links are not permissible then can you give the search string that will lead to the right results/pages. Thanks "Follow the science"! "Protect the NHS"! "500,000 deaths if you don't do what we say"! I'm sure the "experts" know what they are doing. We have absolutely no recent experience of them being catastrophically wrong about anything. Climate change denier Covid denier Tory voter? Brexit voter? We might have a full house I doubt it, the climate has always changed. I've had COVID twice, and incredibly I survived it. I haven't voted in twenty years. Maybe you need to start confronting your own prejudices. Yes, the climate has always changed and there's been high points and low points, but the difference here is how fast it's changing. I know we with our very short lifespans (humanity as a species has been on this planet for about 0.0004% of it's lifespan), we tend to judge things based on our own very skewed concept of time, but while changes over a few decades seem slow to us, they are much much faster than when it's a normal change like those started with milankovitch cycles which usually happen over millenia at least. Only with extreme events (like that meteor 65 million years ago) do the climate systems of the earth change so rapidly. We're causing a big splash and we're only now starting to feel the proper effects of it, and while a lot of you idiots simply dismiss it thinking we'll just get through it because we great humans previously beat other groups of humans, with how much the hydrological systems are shifting and how much our overly sensitive domestic crops we rely on are starting to fail, this weird complex civilisation so many folk simply take as reality likely won't. You never know, this could be the natural evolution of our species in action, those that can't adapt die off. What would human 1.1 need to be? The point is that is not "natural" evolution. It's artificial and happening far faster than most species can cope with. Exactly. Organisms can adapt when things happen gradually. When it's such a sudden shift while they still have inbuilt instincts that have them flock to certain areas assuming they're safe, things just go downhill. Climate change isn't the issue. It's just a symptom of the main problem, like soil breakdown, ecological degradation and the crazy increase in pollution (especially after the petrochemical industry convinced the populace that plastics were fine because sometimes they can be recycled) The problem is our species' rapid growth in an extremely short amount of time that's destabilising so much around us, and while we like to think we're separate from the natural world, we depend on those systems so very much. My hope is that even in the worst case scenario, a few million years down the line the earth will probably be thriving with all sorts of unique beautiful life again. Energy consumption is our greatest challenge, finding and harnessing power that is efficient will unlock our future potential. I believe until we lose countries and become a world race that is not hell bent on wiping out others, we will always struggle with energy consumption and manufacture, as it is clearly weaponised in todays society. The subject of climate change, is bringing countries together to work more closely, but this is a breadcrumb step towards a much more complicated solution that needs to be found, in the future of this planet, our race and their futures." Energy consumption yes, but we should also recognise that our species consumes far more energy than ever before and it just keeps getting more and more, and while a lot can be said about our species' rapid population growth in a very short amount of time, it's also that in the global north we see it as some earned privilege not realising what the costs are. So much energy is also wasted administering our populations at a scale we never thought was possible, or maintaining a financial system that has seen currency become absolutely immaterial and unimaginable with the amounts of "money" just appearing in the last few decades. I hope you're right when it comes to countries working together to face this as the effects grow worse, but I do fear we'll see more smaller neighbouring conflicts over resources, water sources and even arable land as things escalate, and then who knows what way the politics will shift in the global north as refugees from these new warzones or fleeing once stable homes that have become uninhabitable due to climate pressures flock to the countries that caused the damage far more than their own. I genuinely worry that degrowth is one the only way forward and to build a better world free of the hierarchal systems that have us trapped, but it's such a rethinking of the way we organise ourselves that it just won't happen, and we'll continue down this path under the delusion of endless growth til things properly irreversibly collapse. | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field. If you are so confident climate change is nothing to be concerned about, that belief must be based on something more than just your gut instinct right? I mean you must have seen or read things that disprove the thousands of scientific studies that have generated consensus amongst at least 95% of the scientific community. Please can you therefore provide links to peer-reviewed scientific studies that show climate change is not real or severe? If the links are not permissible then can you give the search string that will lead to the right results/pages. Thanks "Follow the science"! "Protect the NHS"! "500,000 deaths if you don't do what we say"! I'm sure the "experts" know what they are doing. We have absolutely no recent experience of them being catastrophically wrong about anything. Climate change denier Covid denier Tory voter? Brexit voter? We might have a full house I doubt it, the climate has always changed. I've had COVID twice, and incredibly I survived it. I haven't voted in twenty years. Maybe you need to start confronting your own prejudices. Yes, the climate has always changed and there's been high points and low points, but the difference here is how fast it's changing. I know we with our very short lifespans (humanity as a species has been on this planet for about 0.0004% of it's lifespan), we tend to judge things based on our own very skewed concept of time, but while changes over a few decades seem slow to us, they are much much faster than when it's a normal change like those started with milankovitch cycles which usually happen over millenia at least. Only with extreme events (like that meteor 65 million years ago) do the climate systems of the earth change so rapidly. We're causing a big splash and we're only now starting to feel the proper effects of it, and while a lot of you idiots simply dismiss it thinking we'll just get through it because we great humans previously beat other groups of humans, with how much the hydrological systems are shifting and how much our overly sensitive domestic crops we rely on are starting to fail, this weird complex civilisation so many folk simply take as reality likely won't. You never know, this could be the natural evolution of our species in action, those that can't adapt die off. What would human 1.1 need to be? The point is that is not "natural" evolution. It's artificial and happening far faster than most species can cope with. Exactly. Organisms can adapt when things happen gradually. When it's such a sudden shift while they still have inbuilt instincts that have them flock to certain areas assuming they're safe, things just go downhill. Climate change isn't the issue. It's just a symptom of the main problem, like soil breakdown, ecological degradation and the crazy increase in pollution (especially after the petrochemical industry convinced the populace that plastics were fine because sometimes they can be recycled) The problem is our species' rapid growth in an extremely short amount of time that's destabilising so much around us, and while we like to think we're separate from the natural world, we depend on those systems so very much. My hope is that even in the worst case scenario, a few million years down the line the earth will probably be thriving with all sorts of unique beautiful life again. It is thriving with beautiful unique life right now. Enjoy it rather than worrying about a million years on" You mistake what I said. I'm not saying things will be bad in a million years. It's going to be much sooner than that (even if we managed to halt at the now nearly impossible 1.5°C of warming our useless politicians still pretend is feasible, things will be grim enough and far removed from this semi stable normality we take as a given). Ecosystems all around are destabilising and vital key species that regulate them or ensure the health are on the decline. Sure we've only become aware of an absolutely huge insect decline by accident due to some college students doing an experiment in Germany, and who then asked other folk in other regions to do the same because they were very skeptical of their results. Much of the complex life that exists now is greatly under threat as their habitats get destroyed, they consume pollutants they never adapted to deal with or the long held instincts they evolved to have to suit their environments prove useless as the environmental norms change, all because one species (that's apparently intelligent but wastes it's time obsessing over reality TV or wondering what new toy to buy next) convinced itself that the whole world revolved around it. I'm just saying that if we royally screw up and are no more, then at least in a few million years, things will hopefully have recovered and the earth will be flourishing with the descendants of what got through this 6th mass extinction, just like what's happened with the previous ones. All life you see now has an unbroken thread going back millions and millions of years, surviving what's come before and expanding and diversifying like crazy in world's where most of the niches now have an opening to adapt to. | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field. If you are so confident climate change is nothing to be concerned about, that belief must be based on something more than just your gut instinct right? I mean you must have seen or read things that disprove the thousands of scientific studies that have generated consensus amongst at least 95% of the scientific community. Please can you therefore provide links to peer-reviewed scientific studies that show climate change is not real or severe? If the links are not permissible then can you give the search string that will lead to the right results/pages. Thanks "Follow the science"! "Protect the NHS"! "500,000 deaths if you don't do what we say"! I'm sure the "experts" know what they are doing. We have absolutely no recent experience of them being catastrophically wrong about anything. Climate change denier Covid denier Tory voter? Brexit voter? We might have a full house I doubt it, the climate has always changed. I've had COVID twice, and incredibly I survived it. I haven't voted in twenty years. Maybe you need to start confronting your own prejudices. Yes, the climate has always changed and there's been high points and low points, but the difference here is how fast it's changing. I know we with our very short lifespans (humanity as a species has been on this planet for about 0.0004% of it's lifespan), we tend to judge things based on our own very skewed concept of time, but while changes over a few decades seem slow to us, they are much much faster than when it's a normal change like those started with milankovitch cycles which usually happen over millenia at least. Only with extreme events (like that meteor 65 million years ago) do the climate systems of the earth change so rapidly. We're causing a big splash and we're only now starting to feel the proper effects of it, and while a lot of you idiots simply dismiss it thinking we'll just get through it because we great humans previously beat other groups of humans, with how much the hydrological systems are shifting and how much our overly sensitive domestic crops we rely on are starting to fail, this weird complex civilisation so many folk simply take as reality likely won't. You never know, this could be the natural evolution of our species in action, those that can't adapt die off. What would human 1.1 need to be? The point is that is not "natural" evolution. It's artificial and happening far faster than most species can cope with. Exactly. Organisms can adapt when things happen gradually. When it's such a sudden shift while they still have inbuilt instincts that have them flock to certain areas assuming they're safe, things just go downhill. Climate change isn't the issue. It's just a symptom of the main problem, like soil breakdown, ecological degradation and the crazy increase in pollution (especially after the petrochemical industry convinced the populace that plastics were fine because sometimes they can be recycled) The problem is our species' rapid growth in an extremely short amount of time that's destabilising so much around us, and while we like to think we're separate from the natural world, we depend on those systems so very much. My hope is that even in the worst case scenario, a few million years down the line the earth will probably be thriving with all sorts of unique beautiful life again. Energy consumption is our greatest challenge, finding and harnessing power that is efficient will unlock our future potential. I believe until we lose countries and become a world race that is not hell bent on wiping out others, we will always struggle with energy consumption and manufacture, as it is clearly weaponised in todays society. The subject of climate change, is bringing countries together to work more closely, but this is a breadcrumb step towards a much more complicated solution that needs to be found, in the future of this planet, our race and their futures." Energy consumption is an easy challenge to meet. The problem is political and $$$$. | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field. If you are so confident climate change is nothing to be concerned about, that belief must be based on something more than just your gut instinct right? I mean you must have seen or read things that disprove the thousands of scientific studies that have generated consensus amongst at least 95% of the scientific community. Please can you therefore provide links to peer-reviewed scientific studies that show climate change is not real or severe? If the links are not permissible then can you give the search string that will lead to the right results/pages. Thanks "Follow the science"! "Protect the NHS"! "500,000 deaths if you don't do what we say"! I'm sure the "experts" know what they are doing. We have absolutely no recent experience of them being catastrophically wrong about anything. Climate change denier Covid denier Tory voter? Brexit voter? We might have a full house I doubt it, the climate has always changed. I've had COVID twice, and incredibly I survived it. I haven't voted in twenty years. Maybe you need to start confronting your own prejudices. Yes, the climate has always changed and there's been high points and low points, but the difference here is how fast it's changing. I know we with our very short lifespans (humanity as a species has been on this planet for about 0.0004% of it's lifespan), we tend to judge things based on our own very skewed concept of time, but while changes over a few decades seem slow to us, they are much much faster than when it's a normal change like those started with milankovitch cycles which usually happen over millenia at least. Only with extreme events (like that meteor 65 million years ago) do the climate systems of the earth change so rapidly. We're causing a big splash and we're only now starting to feel the proper effects of it, and while a lot of you idiots simply dismiss it thinking we'll just get through it because we great humans previously beat other groups of humans, with how much the hydrological systems are shifting and how much our overly sensitive domestic crops we rely on are starting to fail, this weird complex civilisation so many folk simply take as reality likely won't. You never know, this could be the natural evolution of our species in action, those that can't adapt die off. What would human 1.1 need to be? The point is that is not "natural" evolution. It's artificial and happening far faster than most species can cope with. Exactly. Organisms can adapt when things happen gradually. When it's such a sudden shift while they still have inbuilt instincts that have them flock to certain areas assuming they're safe, things just go downhill. Climate change isn't the issue. It's just a symptom of the main problem, like soil breakdown, ecological degradation and the crazy increase in pollution (especially after the petrochemical industry convinced the populace that plastics were fine because sometimes they can be recycled) The problem is our species' rapid growth in an extremely short amount of time that's destabilising so much around us, and while we like to think we're separate from the natural world, we depend on those systems so very much. My hope is that even in the worst case scenario, a few million years down the line the earth will probably be thriving with all sorts of unique beautiful life again. Energy consumption is our greatest challenge, finding and harnessing power that is efficient will unlock our future potential. I believe until we lose countries and become a world race that is not hell bent on wiping out others, we will always struggle with energy consumption and manufacture, as it is clearly weaponised in todays society. The subject of climate change, is bringing countries together to work more closely, but this is a breadcrumb step towards a much more complicated solution that needs to be found, in the future of this planet, our race and their futures. Energy consumption is an easy challenge to meet. The problem is political and $$$$." Oh I agree with that, the money wont be invested until alternatives are providing the returns and power that oil has today. Oil is holding us back in many ways in my opinion, it is stopping us from finding the real alternative to an energy source that can unlock our future. Until that is discovered or invented we are at the mercy of oil. | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field. If you are so confident climate change is nothing to be concerned about, that belief must be based on something more than just your gut instinct right? I mean you must have seen or read things that disprove the thousands of scientific studies that have generated consensus amongst at least 95% of the scientific community. Please can you therefore provide links to peer-reviewed scientific studies that show climate change is not real or severe? If the links are not permissible then can you give the search string that will lead to the right results/pages. Thanks "Follow the science"! "Protect the NHS"! "500,000 deaths if you don't do what we say"! I'm sure the "experts" know what they are doing. We have absolutely no recent experience of them being catastrophically wrong about anything. Climate change denier Covid denier Tory voter? Brexit voter? We might have a full house I doubt it, the climate has always changed. I've had COVID twice, and incredibly I survived it. I haven't voted in twenty years. Maybe you need to start confronting your own prejudices. Yes, the climate has always changed and there's been high points and low points, but the difference here is how fast it's changing. I know we with our very short lifespans (humanity as a species has been on this planet for about 0.0004% of it's lifespan), we tend to judge things based on our own very skewed concept of time, but while changes over a few decades seem slow to us, they are much much faster than when it's a normal change like those started with milankovitch cycles which usually happen over millenia at least. Only with extreme events (like that meteor 65 million years ago) do the climate systems of the earth change so rapidly. We're causing a big splash and we're only now starting to feel the proper effects of it, and while a lot of you idiots simply dismiss it thinking we'll just get through it because we great humans previously beat other groups of humans, with how much the hydrological systems are shifting and how much our overly sensitive domestic crops we rely on are starting to fail, this weird complex civilisation so many folk simply take as reality likely won't. You never know, this could be the natural evolution of our species in action, those that can't adapt die off. What would human 1.1 need to be? The point is that is not "natural" evolution. It's artificial and happening far faster than most species can cope with. Exactly. Organisms can adapt when things happen gradually. When it's such a sudden shift while they still have inbuilt instincts that have them flock to certain areas assuming they're safe, things just go downhill. Climate change isn't the issue. It's just a symptom of the main problem, like soil breakdown, ecological degradation and the crazy increase in pollution (especially after the petrochemical industry convinced the populace that plastics were fine because sometimes they can be recycled) The problem is our species' rapid growth in an extremely short amount of time that's destabilising so much around us, and while we like to think we're separate from the natural world, we depend on those systems so very much. My hope is that even in the worst case scenario, a few million years down the line the earth will probably be thriving with all sorts of unique beautiful life again. Energy consumption is our greatest challenge, finding and harnessing power that is efficient will unlock our future potential. I believe until we lose countries and become a world race that is not hell bent on wiping out others, we will always struggle with energy consumption and manufacture, as it is clearly weaponised in todays society. The subject of climate change, is bringing countries together to work more closely, but this is a breadcrumb step towards a much more complicated solution that needs to be found, in the future of this planet, our race and their futures. Energy consumption is an easy challenge to meet. The problem is political and $$$$. Oh I agree with that, the money wont be invested until alternatives are providing the returns and power that oil has today. Oil is holding us back in many ways in my opinion, it is stopping us from finding the real alternative to an energy source that can unlock our future. Until that is discovered or invented we are at the mercy of oil." Oh renewables would be much more cost effective than oil, on a global scale. | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field. If you are so confident climate change is nothing to be concerned about, that belief must be based on something more than just your gut instinct right? I mean you must have seen or read things that disprove the thousands of scientific studies that have generated consensus amongst at least 95% of the scientific community. Please can you therefore provide links to peer-reviewed scientific studies that show climate change is not real or severe? If the links are not permissible then can you give the search string that will lead to the right results/pages. Thanks "Follow the science"! "Protect the NHS"! "500,000 deaths if you don't do what we say"! I'm sure the "experts" know what they are doing. We have absolutely no recent experience of them being catastrophically wrong about anything. Climate change denier Covid denier Tory voter? Brexit voter? We might have a full house I doubt it, the climate has always changed. I've had COVID twice, and incredibly I survived it. I haven't voted in twenty years. Maybe you need to start confronting your own prejudices. Yes, the climate has always changed and there's been high points and low points, but the difference here is how fast it's changing. I know we with our very short lifespans (humanity as a species has been on this planet for about 0.0004% of it's lifespan), we tend to judge things based on our own very skewed concept of time, but while changes over a few decades seem slow to us, they are much much faster than when it's a normal change like those started with milankovitch cycles which usually happen over millenia at least. Only with extreme events (like that meteor 65 million years ago) do the climate systems of the earth change so rapidly. We're causing a big splash and we're only now starting to feel the proper effects of it, and while a lot of you idiots simply dismiss it thinking we'll just get through it because we great humans previously beat other groups of humans, with how much the hydrological systems are shifting and how much our overly sensitive domestic crops we rely on are starting to fail, this weird complex civilisation so many folk simply take as reality likely won't. You never know, this could be the natural evolution of our species in action, those that can't adapt die off. What would human 1.1 need to be? The point is that is not "natural" evolution. It's artificial and happening far faster than most species can cope with. Exactly. Organisms can adapt when things happen gradually. When it's such a sudden shift while they still have inbuilt instincts that have them flock to certain areas assuming they're safe, things just go downhill. Climate change isn't the issue. It's just a symptom of the main problem, like soil breakdown, ecological degradation and the crazy increase in pollution (especially after the petrochemical industry convinced the populace that plastics were fine because sometimes they can be recycled) The problem is our species' rapid growth in an extremely short amount of time that's destabilising so much around us, and while we like to think we're separate from the natural world, we depend on those systems so very much. My hope is that even in the worst case scenario, a few million years down the line the earth will probably be thriving with all sorts of unique beautiful life again. Energy consumption is our greatest challenge, finding and harnessing power that is efficient will unlock our future potential. I believe until we lose countries and become a world race that is not hell bent on wiping out others, we will always struggle with energy consumption and manufacture, as it is clearly weaponised in todays society. The subject of climate change, is bringing countries together to work more closely, but this is a breadcrumb step towards a much more complicated solution that needs to be found, in the future of this planet, our race and their futures. Energy consumption is an easy challenge to meet. The problem is political and $$$$. Oh I agree with that, the money wont be invested until alternatives are providing the returns and power that oil has today. Oil is holding us back in many ways in my opinion, it is stopping us from finding the real alternative to an energy source that can unlock our future. Until that is discovered or invented we are at the mercy of oil. Oh renewables would be much more cost effective than oil, on a global scale. " I'm thinking beyond the energy output that renewables can produce, I'm thinking a clean nuclear in the home, the car, the ship etc. When I say nuclear I'm talking the energy that nuclear can produce, not nuclear itself. It is not with us yet, but it will be when the right brains and eyes can work it out. Sadly I feel that time wont be with us until oil has been exhausted. | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field. If you are so confident climate change is nothing to be concerned about, that belief must be based on something more than just your gut instinct right? I mean you must have seen or read things that disprove the thousands of scientific studies that have generated consensus amongst at least 95% of the scientific community. Please can you therefore provide links to peer-reviewed scientific studies that show climate change is not real or severe? If the links are not permissible then can you give the search string that will lead to the right results/pages. Thanks "Follow the science"! "Protect the NHS"! "500,000 deaths if you don't do what we say"! I'm sure the "experts" know what they are doing. We have absolutely no recent experience of them being catastrophically wrong about anything. Climate change denier Covid denier Tory voter? Brexit voter? We might have a full house I doubt it, the climate has always changed. I've had COVID twice, and incredibly I survived it. I haven't voted in twenty years. Maybe you need to start confronting your own prejudices. Yes, the climate has always changed and there's been high points and low points, but the difference here is how fast it's changing. I know we with our very short lifespans (humanity as a species has been on this planet for about 0.0004% of it's lifespan), we tend to judge things based on our own very skewed concept of time, but while changes over a few decades seem slow to us, they are much much faster than when it's a normal change like those started with milankovitch cycles which usually happen over millenia at least. Only with extreme events (like that meteor 65 million years ago) do the climate systems of the earth change so rapidly. We're causing a big splash and we're only now starting to feel the proper effects of it, and while a lot of you idiots simply dismiss it thinking we'll just get through it because we great humans previously beat other groups of humans, with how much the hydrological systems are shifting and how much our overly sensitive domestic crops we rely on are starting to fail, this weird complex civilisation so many folk simply take as reality likely won't. You never know, this could be the natural evolution of our species in action, those that can't adapt die off. What would human 1.1 need to be? The point is that is not "natural" evolution. It's artificial and happening far faster than most species can cope with. Exactly. Organisms can adapt when things happen gradually. When it's such a sudden shift while they still have inbuilt instincts that have them flock to certain areas assuming they're safe, things just go downhill. Climate change isn't the issue. It's just a symptom of the main problem, like soil breakdown, ecological degradation and the crazy increase in pollution (especially after the petrochemical industry convinced the populace that plastics were fine because sometimes they can be recycled) The problem is our species' rapid growth in an extremely short amount of time that's destabilising so much around us, and while we like to think we're separate from the natural world, we depend on those systems so very much. My hope is that even in the worst case scenario, a few million years down the line the earth will probably be thriving with all sorts of unique beautiful life again. Energy consumption is our greatest challenge, finding and harnessing power that is efficient will unlock our future potential. I believe until we lose countries and become a world race that is not hell bent on wiping out others, we will always struggle with energy consumption and manufacture, as it is clearly weaponised in todays society. The subject of climate change, is bringing countries together to work more closely, but this is a breadcrumb step towards a much more complicated solution that needs to be found, in the future of this planet, our race and their futures. Energy consumption is an easy challenge to meet. The problem is political and $$$$. Oh I agree with that, the money wont be invested until alternatives are providing the returns and power that oil has today. Oil is holding us back in many ways in my opinion, it is stopping us from finding the real alternative to an energy source that can unlock our future. Until that is discovered or invented we are at the mercy of oil. Oh renewables would be much more cost effective than oil, on a global scale. I'm thinking beyond the energy output that renewables can produce, I'm thinking a clean nuclear in the home, the car, the ship etc. When I say nuclear I'm talking the energy that nuclear can produce, not nuclear itself. It is not with us yet, but it will be when the right brains and eyes can work it out. Sadly I feel that time wont be with us until oil has been exhausted." If all the oil, gas and coal is exhausted, then it's far far too late. Too much CO2 will be in the atmosphere. | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field. If you are so confident climate change is nothing to be concerned about, that belief must be based on something more than just your gut instinct right? I mean you must have seen or read things that disprove the thousands of scientific studies that have generated consensus amongst at least 95% of the scientific community. Please can you therefore provide links to peer-reviewed scientific studies that show climate change is not real or severe? If the links are not permissible then can you give the search string that will lead to the right results/pages. Thanks "Follow the science"! "Protect the NHS"! "500,000 deaths if you don't do what we say"! I'm sure the "experts" know what they are doing. We have absolutely no recent experience of them being catastrophically wrong about anything. Climate change denier Covid denier Tory voter? Brexit voter? We might have a full house I doubt it, the climate has always changed. I've had COVID twice, and incredibly I survived it. I haven't voted in twenty years. Maybe you need to start confronting your own prejudices. Yes, the climate has always changed and there's been high points and low points, but the difference here is how fast it's changing. I know we with our very short lifespans (humanity as a species has been on this planet for about 0.0004% of it's lifespan), we tend to judge things based on our own very skewed concept of time, but while changes over a few decades seem slow to us, they are much much faster than when it's a normal change like those started with milankovitch cycles which usually happen over millenia at least. Only with extreme events (like that meteor 65 million years ago) do the climate systems of the earth change so rapidly. We're causing a big splash and we're only now starting to feel the proper effects of it, and while a lot of you idiots simply dismiss it thinking we'll just get through it because we great humans previously beat other groups of humans, with how much the hydrological systems are shifting and how much our overly sensitive domestic crops we rely on are starting to fail, this weird complex civilisation so many folk simply take as reality likely won't. You never know, this could be the natural evolution of our species in action, those that can't adapt die off. What would human 1.1 need to be? The point is that is not "natural" evolution. It's artificial and happening far faster than most species can cope with. Exactly. Organisms can adapt when things happen gradually. When it's such a sudden shift while they still have inbuilt instincts that have them flock to certain areas assuming they're safe, things just go downhill. Climate change isn't the issue. It's just a symptom of the main problem, like soil breakdown, ecological degradation and the crazy increase in pollution (especially after the petrochemical industry convinced the populace that plastics were fine because sometimes they can be recycled) The problem is our species' rapid growth in an extremely short amount of time that's destabilising so much around us, and while we like to think we're separate from the natural world, we depend on those systems so very much. My hope is that even in the worst case scenario, a few million years down the line the earth will probably be thriving with all sorts of unique beautiful life again. Energy consumption is our greatest challenge, finding and harnessing power that is efficient will unlock our future potential. I believe until we lose countries and become a world race that is not hell bent on wiping out others, we will always struggle with energy consumption and manufacture, as it is clearly weaponised in todays society. The subject of climate change, is bringing countries together to work more closely, but this is a breadcrumb step towards a much more complicated solution that needs to be found, in the future of this planet, our race and their futures. Energy consumption is an easy challenge to meet. The problem is political and $$$$. Oh I agree with that, the money wont be invested until alternatives are providing the returns and power that oil has today. Oil is holding us back in many ways in my opinion, it is stopping us from finding the real alternative to an energy source that can unlock our future. Until that is discovered or invented we are at the mercy of oil. Oh renewables would be much more cost effective than oil, on a global scale. I'm thinking beyond the energy output that renewables can produce, I'm thinking a clean nuclear in the home, the car, the ship etc. When I say nuclear I'm talking the energy that nuclear can produce, not nuclear itself. It is not with us yet, but it will be when the right brains and eyes can work it out. Sadly I feel that time wont be with us until oil has been exhausted." Oil has all sorts of other uses other than for burning and generating pollution and climate change. We still have an intermediate problem with nuclear fission before the slow roll to fusion. There may be an option for converting fissile material into diamond batteries. Quite interesting, but yet to be viable on an industrial scale. | |||
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"" Fanatics " ???? Yeah. Blaming every extreme weather event on climate change. Need to keep it real What is the increasing rate of extreme weather events due to then, or are you going to pretend that it has always been like this? Are you saying that global temperature trends are not changing? Are you going to pretend that the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere of millions of years and fixed in fossil fuels, cooling the planet wil not change anything when released in a century? I’ve no wish to debate anything with you thanks, and would appreciate it if you no longer pass comment on any of my threads. I don’t like your style, your confrontational manner has seen off other regular forum members. Debate? I liken it to my local Tap room, some really smart people that add greatly to most topics. They put others right when needed but in a civilised manner, we even agree to disagree. They know the difference between being smart, and being a smart arse. We also have the typical bores. Those that think they know it all and have to have the final say, no matter what. They are in general, sad miserable losers. We are a broad church though and good people so we do our best to accommodate them, although we generally avoid any meaningful discussion before they shuffle off home, picking up a curry for one on the way. This could of course just highlight the challenges of an online anonymous forum as opposed to the old fashioned way of talking face to face. You do not debate. You make an unsubstantiated statement and do not or cannot respond to any information or argument that contradicts your view. You're "argument", such as it is, is to repeat yourself and insist on being correct until you express outrage at some personal slight and move the topic to that. As you are doing now. I'm sure that your chums in the "tap room" just accept whatever nonsense that you tell them and discuss matters based on your terms. Not here. Try harder, but at least stop playing the victim. And there it is again, right there. Please do not respond to this or comment on my posts. There is no point in debating Climate Alarmists. You may as well spend your time debating Mao or Pol Pot. They won't see the error of their ways until everyone is starving in a rice field. If you are so confident climate change is nothing to be concerned about, that belief must be based on something more than just your gut instinct right? I mean you must have seen or read things that disprove the thousands of scientific studies that have generated consensus amongst at least 95% of the scientific community. Please can you therefore provide links to peer-reviewed scientific studies that show climate change is not real or severe? If the links are not permissible then can you give the search string that will lead to the right results/pages. Thanks "Follow the science"! "Protect the NHS"! "500,000 deaths if you don't do what we say"! I'm sure the "experts" know what they are doing. We have absolutely no recent experience of them being catastrophically wrong about anything. Climate change denier Covid denier Tory voter? Brexit voter? We might have a full house I doubt it, the climate has always changed. I've had COVID twice, and incredibly I survived it. I haven't voted in twenty years. Maybe you need to start confronting your own prejudices. Yes, the climate has always changed and there's been high points and low points, but the difference here is how fast it's changing. I know we with our very short lifespans (humanity as a species has been on this planet for about 0.0004% of it's lifespan), we tend to judge things based on our own very skewed concept of time, but while changes over a few decades seem slow to us, they are much much faster than when it's a normal change like those started with milankovitch cycles which usually happen over millenia at least. Only with extreme events (like that meteor 65 million years ago) do the climate systems of the earth change so rapidly. We're causing a big splash and we're only now starting to feel the proper effects of it, and while a lot of you idiots simply dismiss it thinking we'll just get through it because we great humans previously beat other groups of humans, with how much the hydrological systems are shifting and how much our overly sensitive domestic crops we rely on are starting to fail, this weird complex civilisation so many folk simply take as reality likely won't. You never know, this could be the natural evolution of our species in action, those that can't adapt die off. What would human 1.1 need to be? The point is that is not "natural" evolution. It's artificial and happening far faster than most species can cope with. Exactly. Organisms can adapt when things happen gradually. When it's such a sudden shift while they still have inbuilt instincts that have them flock to certain areas assuming they're safe, things just go downhill. Climate change isn't the issue. It's just a symptom of the main problem, like soil breakdown, ecological degradation and the crazy increase in pollution (especially after the petrochemical industry convinced the populace that plastics were fine because sometimes they can be recycled) The problem is our species' rapid growth in an extremely short amount of time that's destabilising so much around us, and while we like to think we're separate from the natural world, we depend on those systems so very much. My hope is that even in the worst case scenario, a few million years down the line the earth will probably be thriving with all sorts of unique beautiful life again. Energy consumption is our greatest challenge, finding and harnessing power that is efficient will unlock our future potential. I believe until we lose countries and become a world race that is not hell bent on wiping out others, we will always struggle with energy consumption and manufacture, as it is clearly weaponised in todays society. The subject of climate change, is bringing countries together to work more closely, but this is a breadcrumb step towards a much more complicated solution that needs to be found, in the future of this planet, our race and their futures. Energy consumption is an easy challenge to meet. The problem is political and $$$$. Oh I agree with that, the money wont be invested until alternatives are providing the returns and power that oil has today. Oil is holding us back in many ways in my opinion, it is stopping us from finding the real alternative to an energy source that can unlock our future. Until that is discovered or invented we are at the mercy of oil." Look up the " Dutch Disease". It's why resource wealth smothers other development. 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"The sad but real truth is: without China and Russia cutting greenhouse gases by more than 40% its impossible to achieve the required global targets. I totally agree with the need to act! But Unfortunately we have left it too late. We urgently need a technical solution." The technical solution exists. Shift to renewables, grid storage and nuclear. EVs and Hydrogen. Energy efficiency. It provides a financial and security advantage over fossil fuels and massive new technologies and industries to drive investment and growth. All of the things that people claim that they want. That will provide a competitive advantage for those countries embracing carbon reduction. Especially if carbon taxes are finally imposed to reflect the cost of the damage it causes. It's not "too late", there's just no will. It's a choice being made and lobbied for to not change. | |||
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"The sad but real truth is: without China and Russia cutting greenhouse gases by more than 40% its impossible to achieve the required global targets. I totally agree with the need to act! But Unfortunately we have left it too late. We urgently need a technical solution. The technical solution exists. Shift to renewables, grid storage and nuclear. EVs and Hydrogen. Energy efficiency. It provides a financial and security advantage over fossil fuels and massive new technologies and industries to drive investment and growth. All of the things that people claim that they want. That will provide a competitive advantage for those countries embracing carbon reduction. Especially if carbon taxes are finally imposed to reflect the cost of the damage it causes. It's not "too late", there's just no will. It's a choice being made and lobbied for to not change." Keep drinking the Kool Aid. Next you'll be telling us that paying climate reparations is going to make us all rich. | |||
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"The sad but real truth is: without China and Russia cutting greenhouse gases by more than 40% its impossible to achieve the required global targets. I totally agree with the need to act! But Unfortunately we have left it too late. We urgently need a technical solution. The technical solution exists. Shift to renewables, grid storage and nuclear. EVs and Hydrogen. Energy efficiency. It provides a financial and security advantage over fossil fuels and massive new technologies and industries to drive investment and growth. All of the things that people claim that they want. That will provide a competitive advantage for those countries embracing carbon reduction. Especially if carbon taxes are finally imposed to reflect the cost of the damage it causes. It's not "too late", there's just no will. It's a choice being made and lobbied for to not change. Keep drinking the Kool Aid. Next you'll be telling us that paying climate reparations is going to make us all rich." Here's an idea. Why don't you read up one climate change? It'll help you to stop being so angry and confused about the subject. | |||
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"The sad but real truth is: without China and Russia cutting greenhouse gases by more than 40% its impossible to achieve the required global targets. I totally agree with the need to act! But Unfortunately we have left it too late. We urgently need a technical solution. The technical solution exists. Shift to renewables, grid storage and nuclear. EVs and Hydrogen. Energy efficiency. It provides a financial and security advantage over fossil fuels and massive new technologies and industries to drive investment and growth. All of the things that people claim that they want. That will provide a competitive advantage for those countries embracing carbon reduction. Especially if carbon taxes are finally imposed to reflect the cost of the damage it causes. It's not "too late", there's just no will. It's a choice being made and lobbied for to not change. Keep drinking the Kool Aid. Next you'll be telling us that paying climate reparations is going to make us all rich. Here's an idea. Why don't you read up one climate change? It'll help you to stop being so angry and confused about the subject. " Maybe you should get out of your mother's house and get a job. | |||
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"The sad but real truth is: without China and Russia cutting greenhouse gases by more than 40% its impossible to achieve the required global targets. I totally agree with the need to act! But Unfortunately we have left it too late. We urgently need a technical solution. The technical solution exists. Shift to renewables, grid storage and nuclear. EVs and Hydrogen. Energy efficiency. It provides a financial and security advantage over fossil fuels and massive new technologies and industries to drive investment and growth. All of the things that people claim that they want. That will provide a competitive advantage for those countries embracing carbon reduction. Especially if carbon taxes are finally imposed to reflect the cost of the damage it causes. It's not "too late", there's just no will. It's a choice being made and lobbied for to not change. Keep drinking the Kool Aid. Next you'll be telling us that paying climate reparations is going to make us all rich. Here's an idea. Why don't you read up one climate change? It'll help you to stop being so angry and confused about the subject. Maybe you should get out of your mother's house and get a job." This is a really weird post. Are you implying that only jobless people who live with their parents understand climate change? | |||
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"The sad but real truth is: without China and Russia cutting greenhouse gases by more than 40% its impossible to achieve the required global targets. I totally agree with the need to act! But Unfortunately we have left it too late. We urgently need a technical solution. The technical solution exists. Shift to renewables, grid storage and nuclear. EVs and Hydrogen. Energy efficiency. It provides a financial and security advantage over fossil fuels and massive new technologies and industries to drive investment and growth. All of the things that people claim that they want. That will provide a competitive advantage for those countries embracing carbon reduction. Especially if carbon taxes are finally imposed to reflect the cost of the damage it causes. It's not "too late", there's just no will. It's a choice being made and lobbied for to not change." I think creating a sustainable industrial revolution is a great thing. But!!!!!! Even if the West cleans up it’s act 100% reducing emissions within the next 20-30 years IF China, India and Russia continue with current trends IT WILL ALL BE FOR NOTHING!! Where is the competitive advantage when most of Southern England is under water? People need to change! We need to be sustainable! But unless China, India, Russia are in total alignment on this issue, it’s pointless!! We need to accept that the worst effects of climate change are inevitable and we need to start preparing for that!!!!!!!! | |||
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"Who gives a shyte the climate is and will always change so adapt. Oh and right wing so what, left wing so what, liberal so what." Hmmm I suspect people who suffer & die may care. | |||
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"Who gives a shyte the climate is and will always change so adapt. Oh and right wing so what, left wing so what, liberal so what." Maybe learn about it? | |||
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"Who gives a shyte the climate is and will always change so adapt. Oh and right wing so what, left wing so what, liberal so what. Maybe learn about it? " I think this view is pretty common. It’s why we are in this dire position with very little margin for error. The “optics” of the whole movement has been horrendously managed over the years. I’m often left flabbergasted when major news outlets interview “environmentalist” who are normally ‘albeit well Intended’ under read, non scientific, unrealistic, neurotic snowflakes - who literally know nothing. This is in part why some people just dismiss global warming as a hippy issue. The reality is; the long term inevitable consequences (if China, India, Russia carry on) will impact ever aspect of life on earth. Food production, mass population migration, huge strain on resources like water!!! Decline and extinction of thousands of species and the inevitable deaths of millions of people. But people see these lily liveried snowflakes, or are fed the news via SM that they want to hear and come to these completely scientifically unsound views! That said I do accept and appreciate some of the confusion and suspicion with the science. Again the messaging and launguage has been badly managed. Allowing conspiracy nuts to elaborate mis understood data sets. I.e. most the models I have read are based on a 5000 year cycle, and it’s highly likely that our climatic impact will decline over this time, it’s indeed possible that a trend of global cooling could occur. But who really plans that far ahead, humans clearly do not give a shit! I also accept that humans are indeed biological entities and our industrialisation is a natural by product of our evolution and therefore this whole process and indeed consequences is unfortunately natural selection. All this said! I believe humanity are custodians of any environment we inhabit and it should be our prime directive to leave no trace!! But I’m realistic about the likely scenario’s. Yes let’s go green! Yes let’s try and develop a new industrial strategy, but we need to prepare for the worst! | |||
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"Who gives a shyte the climate is and will always change so adapt. Oh and right wing so what, left wing so what, liberal so what. Maybe learn about it? I think this view is pretty common. It’s why we are in this dire position with very little margin for error. The “optics” of the whole movement has been horrendously managed over the years. I’m often left flabbergasted when major news outlets interview “environmentalist” who are normally ‘albeit well Intended’ under read, non scientific, unrealistic, neurotic snowflakes - who literally know nothing. This is in part why some people just dismiss global warming as a hippy issue. The reality is; the long term inevitable consequences (if China, India, Russia carry on) will impact ever aspect of life on earth. Food production, mass population migration, huge strain on resources like water!!! Decline and extinction of thousands of species and the inevitable deaths of millions of people. But people see these lily liveried snowflakes, or are fed the news via SM that they want to hear and come to these completely scientifically unsound views! That said I do accept and appreciate some of the confusion and suspicion with the science. Again the messaging and launguage has been badly managed. Allowing conspiracy nuts to elaborate mis understood data sets. I.e. most the models I have read are based on a 5000 year cycle, and it’s highly likely that our climatic impact will decline over this time, it’s indeed possible that a trend of global cooling could occur. But who really plans that far ahead, humans clearly do not give a shit! I also accept that humans are indeed biological entities and our industrialisation is a natural by product of our evolution and therefore this whole process and indeed consequences is unfortunately natural selection. All this said! I believe humanity are custodians of any environment we inhabit and it should be our prime directive to leave no trace!! But I’m realistic about the likely scenario’s. Yes let’s go green! Yes let’s try and develop a new industrial strategy, but we need to prepare for the worst! " The Paris climate agreement was supposed to address the imbalance between the more and the less polluting countries. It was far too weak though. Climatefeedback is a really good website that has actual climate scientists reviewing articles and claims in the media for their accuracy. It's very interesting. I can't post a link or I'll get a forum ban. But you can Google it. | |||
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"Who gives a shyte the climate is and will always change so adapt. Oh and right wing so what, left wing so what, liberal so what. Maybe learn about it? I think this view is pretty common. It’s why we are in this dire position with very little margin for error. The “optics” of the whole movement has been horrendously managed over the years. I’m often left flabbergasted when major news outlets interview “environmentalist” who are normally ‘albeit well Intended’ under read, non scientific, unrealistic, neurotic snowflakes - who literally know nothing. This is in part why some people just dismiss global warming as a hippy issue. The reality is; the long term inevitable consequences (if China, India, Russia carry on) will impact ever aspect of life on earth. Food production, mass population migration, huge strain on resources like water!!! Decline and extinction of thousands of species and the inevitable deaths of millions of people. But people see these lily liveried snowflakes, or are fed the news via SM that they want to hear and come to these completely scientifically unsound views! That said I do accept and appreciate some of the confusion and suspicion with the science. Again the messaging and launguage has been badly managed. Allowing conspiracy nuts to elaborate mis understood data sets. I.e. most the models I have read are based on a 5000 year cycle, and it’s highly likely that our climatic impact will decline over this time, it’s indeed possible that a trend of global cooling could occur. But who really plans that far ahead, humans clearly do not give a shit! I also accept that humans are indeed biological entities and our industrialisation is a natural by product of our evolution and therefore this whole process and indeed consequences is unfortunately natural selection. All this said! I believe humanity are custodians of any environment we inhabit and it should be our prime directive to leave no trace!! But I’m realistic about the likely scenario’s. Yes let’s go green! Yes let’s try and develop a new industrial strategy, but we need to prepare for the worst! The Paris climate agreement was supposed to address the imbalance between the more and the less polluting countries. It was far too weak though. Climatefeedback is a really good website that has actual climate scientists reviewing articles and claims in the media for their accuracy. It's very interesting. I can't post a link or I'll get a forum ban. But you can Google it. " Does it say how humanity can reach global net zero when China contributes nearly 30% global output, India 14%and Russia 8% (from memory could be slightly inaccurate) that’s over 50% of global co2! How does that get hoovered up? Set a good example? China and Russia seem open to That. | |||
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"Who gives a shyte the climate is and will always change so adapt. Oh and right wing so what, left wing so what, liberal so what. Maybe learn about it? I think this view is pretty common. It’s why we are in this dire position with very little margin for error. The “optics” of the whole movement has been horrendously managed over the years. I’m often left flabbergasted when major news outlets interview “environmentalist” who are normally ‘albeit well Intended’ under read, non scientific, unrealistic, neurotic snowflakes - who literally know nothing. This is in part why some people just dismiss global warming as a hippy issue. The reality is; the long term inevitable consequences (if China, India, Russia carry on) will impact ever aspect of life on earth. Food production, mass population migration, huge strain on resources like water!!! Decline and extinction of thousands of species and the inevitable deaths of millions of people. But people see these lily liveried snowflakes, or are fed the news via SM that they want to hear and come to these completely scientifically unsound views! That said I do accept and appreciate some of the confusion and suspicion with the science. Again the messaging and launguage has been badly managed. Allowing conspiracy nuts to elaborate mis understood data sets. I.e. most the models I have read are based on a 5000 year cycle, and it’s highly likely that our climatic impact will decline over this time, it’s indeed possible that a trend of global cooling could occur. But who really plans that far ahead, humans clearly do not give a shit! I also accept that humans are indeed biological entities and our industrialisation is a natural by product of our evolution and therefore this whole process and indeed consequences is unfortunately natural selection. All this said! I believe humanity are custodians of any environment we inhabit and it should be our prime directive to leave no trace!! But I’m realistic about the likely scenario’s. Yes let’s go green! Yes let’s try and develop a new industrial strategy, but we need to prepare for the worst! The Paris climate agreement was supposed to address the imbalance between the more and the less polluting countries. It was far too weak though. Climatefeedback is a really good website that has actual climate scientists reviewing articles and claims in the media for their accuracy. It's very interesting. I can't post a link or I'll get a forum ban. But you can Google it. Does it say how humanity can reach global net zero when China contributes nearly 30% global output, India 14%and Russia 8% (from memory could be slightly inaccurate) that’s over 50% of global co2! How does that get hoovered up? Set a good example? China and Russia seem open to That. " It's fantasy of course. Western governments have just come out with random targets on emissions and EV's etc with absolutely no idea at all how they are going to achieve them. The rest of the world isn't going to impoverish itself over climate change so it's down to the West to destroy itself to achieve nothing. EVs are typical of this delusion. They are totally impractical and out of reach financially for the vast majority of the population. They are being purchased in tiny numbers even in developed countries, where there is still no infrastructure. Even in the best of times very few people would be prepared to pay premium prices for substandard products, and now with failing economies across the West, ironically contributed to by their own failed energy policies, it's even less likely that people are going to burden themselves with ridiculous PCP loans on top of rising mortgages and gas bills, just to fit in with some State eco zealotry. The difficulty is that politicians are going to find it very difficult to be the first to step up and admit that they have got it badly wrong. | |||
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"Who gives a shyte the climate is and will always change so adapt. Oh and right wing so what, left wing so what, liberal so what. Maybe learn about it? I think this view is pretty common. It’s why we are in this dire position with very little margin for error. The “optics” of the whole movement has been horrendously managed over the years. I’m often left flabbergasted when major news outlets interview “environmentalist” who are normally ‘albeit well Intended’ under read, non scientific, unrealistic, neurotic snowflakes - who literally know nothing. This is in part why some people just dismiss global warming as a hippy issue. The reality is; the long term inevitable consequences (if China, India, Russia carry on) will impact ever aspect of life on earth. Food production, mass population migration, huge strain on resources like water!!! Decline and extinction of thousands of species and the inevitable deaths of millions of people. But people see these lily liveried snowflakes, or are fed the news via SM that they want to hear and come to these completely scientifically unsound views! That said I do accept and appreciate some of the confusion and suspicion with the science. Again the messaging and launguage has been badly managed. Allowing conspiracy nuts to elaborate mis understood data sets. I.e. most the models I have read are based on a 5000 year cycle, and it’s highly likely that our climatic impact will decline over this time, it’s indeed possible that a trend of global cooling could occur. But who really plans that far ahead, humans clearly do not give a shit! I also accept that humans are indeed biological entities and our industrialisation is a natural by product of our evolution and therefore this whole process and indeed consequences is unfortunately natural selection. All this said! I believe humanity are custodians of any environment we inhabit and it should be our prime directive to leave no trace!! But I’m realistic about the likely scenario’s. Yes let’s go green! Yes let’s try and develop a new industrial strategy, but we need to prepare for the worst! The Paris climate agreement was supposed to address the imbalance between the more and the less polluting countries. It was far too weak though. Climatefeedback is a really good website that has actual climate scientists reviewing articles and claims in the media for their accuracy. It's very interesting. I can't post a link or I'll get a forum ban. But you can Google it. Does it say how humanity can reach global net zero when China contributes nearly 30% global output, India 14%and Russia 8% (from memory could be slightly inaccurate) that’s over 50% of global co2! How does that get hoovered up? Set a good example? China and Russia seem open to That. " Yes pretty much it does say that. If you go to the UNFCCC website you can find all them mechanisms suggested on how they suggest to achieve this. As I said, it's too weak, too little, too late. But there is some good info on their site. | |||
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"Who gives a shyte the climate is and will always change so adapt. Oh and right wing so what, left wing so what, liberal so what. Maybe learn about it? I think this view is pretty common. It’s why we are in this dire position with very little margin for error. The “optics” of the whole movement has been horrendously managed over the years. I’m often left flabbergasted when major news outlets interview “environmentalist” who are normally ‘albeit well Intended’ under read, non scientific, unrealistic, neurotic snowflakes - who literally know nothing. This is in part why some people just dismiss global warming as a hippy issue. The reality is; the long term inevitable consequences (if China, India, Russia carry on) will impact ever aspect of life on earth. Food production, mass population migration, huge strain on resources like water!!! Decline and extinction of thousands of species and the inevitable deaths of millions of people. But people see these lily liveried snowflakes, or are fed the news via SM that they want to hear and come to these completely scientifically unsound views! That said I do accept and appreciate some of the confusion and suspicion with the science. Again the messaging and launguage has been badly managed. Allowing conspiracy nuts to elaborate mis understood data sets. I.e. most the models I have read are based on a 5000 year cycle, and it’s highly likely that our climatic impact will decline over this time, it’s indeed possible that a trend of global cooling could occur. But who really plans that far ahead, humans clearly do not give a shit! I also accept that humans are indeed biological entities and our industrialisation is a natural by product of our evolution and therefore this whole process and indeed consequences is unfortunately natural selection. All this said! I believe humanity are custodians of any environment we inhabit and it should be our prime directive to leave no trace!! But I’m realistic about the likely scenario’s. Yes let’s go green! Yes let’s try and develop a new industrial strategy, but we need to prepare for the worst! The Paris climate agreement was supposed to address the imbalance between the more and the less polluting countries. It was far too weak though. Climatefeedback is a really good website that has actual climate scientists reviewing articles and claims in the media for their accuracy. It's very interesting. I can't post a link or I'll get a forum ban. But you can Google it. Does it say how humanity can reach global net zero when China contributes nearly 30% global output, India 14%and Russia 8% (from memory could be slightly inaccurate) that’s over 50% of global co2! How does that get hoovered up? Set a good example? China and Russia seem open to That. Yes pretty much it does say that. If you go to the UNFCCC website you can find all them mechanisms suggested on how they suggest to achieve this. As I said, it's too weak, too little, too late. But there is some good info on their site." It’s says how China can, but it doesn’t say why China will! And why China is not! That’s my point! | |||
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"Who gives a shyte the climate is and will always change so adapt. Oh and right wing so what, left wing so what, liberal so what. Maybe learn about it? I think this view is pretty common. It’s why we are in this dire position with very little margin for error. The “optics” of the whole movement has been horrendously managed over the years. I’m often left flabbergasted when major news outlets interview “environmentalist” who are normally ‘albeit well Intended’ under read, non scientific, unrealistic, neurotic snowflakes - who literally know nothing. This is in part why some people just dismiss global warming as a hippy issue. The reality is; the long term inevitable consequences (if China, India, Russia carry on) will impact ever aspect of life on earth. Food production, mass population migration, huge strain on resources like water!!! Decline and extinction of thousands of species and the inevitable deaths of millions of people. But people see these lily liveried snowflakes, or are fed the news via SM that they want to hear and come to these completely scientifically unsound views! That said I do accept and appreciate some of the confusion and suspicion with the science. Again the messaging and launguage has been badly managed. Allowing conspiracy nuts to elaborate mis understood data sets. I.e. most the models I have read are based on a 5000 year cycle, and it’s highly likely that our climatic impact will decline over this time, it’s indeed possible that a trend of global cooling could occur. But who really plans that far ahead, humans clearly do not give a shit! I also accept that humans are indeed biological entities and our industrialisation is a natural by product of our evolution and therefore this whole process and indeed consequences is unfortunately natural selection. All this said! I believe humanity are custodians of any environment we inhabit and it should be our prime directive to leave no trace!! But I’m realistic about the likely scenario’s. Yes let’s go green! Yes let’s try and develop a new industrial strategy, but we need to prepare for the worst! The Paris climate agreement was supposed to address the imbalance between the more and the less polluting countries. It was far too weak though. Climatefeedback is a really good website that has actual climate scientists reviewing articles and claims in the media for their accuracy. It's very interesting. I can't post a link or I'll get a forum ban. But you can Google it. Does it say how humanity can reach global net zero when China contributes nearly 30% global output, India 14%and Russia 8% (from memory could be slightly inaccurate) that’s over 50% of global co2! How does that get hoovered up? Set a good example? China and Russia seem open to That. It's fantasy of course. Western governments have just come out with random targets on emissions and EV's etc with absolutely no idea at all how they are going to achieve them. The rest of the world isn't going to impoverish itself over climate change so it's down to the West to destroy itself to achieve nothing. EVs are typical of this delusion. They are totally impractical and out of reach financially for the vast majority of the population. They are being purchased in tiny numbers even in developed countries, where there is still no infrastructure. Even in the best of times very few people would be prepared to pay premium prices for substandard products, and now with failing economies across the West, ironically contributed to by their own failed energy policies, it's even less likely that people are going to burden themselves with ridiculous PCP loans on top of rising mortgages and gas bills, just to fit in with some State eco zealotry. The difficulty is that politicians are going to find it very difficult to be the first to step up and admit that they have got it badly wrong." Totally agree! Just think of the revenue industry and big businesses will make from EVs! The great green swindle much like wood pellets! | |||
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"Who gives a shyte the climate is and will always change so adapt. Oh and right wing so what, left wing so what, liberal so what. Maybe learn about it? I think this view is pretty common. It’s why we are in this dire position with very little margin for error. The “optics” of the whole movement has been horrendously managed over the years. I’m often left flabbergasted when major news outlets interview “environmentalist” who are normally ‘albeit well Intended’ under read, non scientific, unrealistic, neurotic snowflakes - who literally know nothing. This is in part why some people just dismiss global warming as a hippy issue. The reality is; the long term inevitable consequences (if China, India, Russia carry on) will impact ever aspect of life on earth. Food production, mass population migration, huge strain on resources like water!!! Decline and extinction of thousands of species and the inevitable deaths of millions of people. But people see these lily liveried snowflakes, or are fed the news via SM that they want to hear and come to these completely scientifically unsound views! That said I do accept and appreciate some of the confusion and suspicion with the science. Again the messaging and launguage has been badly managed. Allowing conspiracy nuts to elaborate mis understood data sets. I.e. most the models I have read are based on a 5000 year cycle, and it’s highly likely that our climatic impact will decline over this time, it’s indeed possible that a trend of global cooling could occur. But who really plans that far ahead, humans clearly do not give a shit! I also accept that humans are indeed biological entities and our industrialisation is a natural by product of our evolution and therefore this whole process and indeed consequences is unfortunately natural selection. All this said! I believe humanity are custodians of any environment we inhabit and it should be our prime directive to leave no trace!! But I’m realistic about the likely scenario’s. Yes let’s go green! Yes let’s try and develop a new industrial strategy, but we need to prepare for the worst! The Paris climate agreement was supposed to address the imbalance between the more and the less polluting countries. It was far too weak though. Climatefeedback is a really good website that has actual climate scientists reviewing articles and claims in the media for their accuracy. It's very interesting. I can't post a link or I'll get a forum ban. But you can Google it. Does it say how humanity can reach global net zero when China contributes nearly 30% global output, India 14%and Russia 8% (from memory could be slightly inaccurate) that’s over 50% of global co2! How does that get hoovered up? Set a good example? China and Russia seem open to That. Yes pretty much it does say that. If you go to the UNFCCC website you can find all them mechanisms suggested on how they suggest to achieve this. As I said, it's too weak, too little, too late. But there is some good info on their site. It’s says how China can, but it doesn’t say why China will! And why China is not! That’s my point! " Yeah for sure. China has some huge wind and solar projects underway. They're world leaders in the transition to renewables. They've got further to go than most though. It's very hard to get any political movement on this stuff because all the money is in fossil fuels, and they donate hugely to political parties of all persuasions world wide, and are rewarded handsomely ($5.9 trillion in subsidies in 2020). | |||
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"Who gives a shyte the climate is and will always change so adapt. Oh and right wing so what, left wing so what, liberal so what. Maybe learn about it? I think this view is pretty common. It’s why we are in this dire position with very little margin for error. The “optics” of the whole movement has been horrendously managed over the years. I’m often left flabbergasted when major news outlets interview “environmentalist” who are normally ‘albeit well Intended’ under read, non scientific, unrealistic, neurotic snowflakes - who literally know nothing. This is in part why some people just dismiss global warming as a hippy issue. The reality is; the long term inevitable consequences (if China, India, Russia carry on) will impact ever aspect of life on earth. Food production, mass population migration, huge strain on resources like water!!! Decline and extinction of thousands of species and the inevitable deaths of millions of people. But people see these lily liveried snowflakes, or are fed the news via SM that they want to hear and come to these completely scientifically unsound views! That said I do accept and appreciate some of the confusion and suspicion with the science. Again the messaging and launguage has been badly managed. Allowing conspiracy nuts to elaborate mis understood data sets. I.e. most the models I have read are based on a 5000 year cycle, and it’s highly likely that our climatic impact will decline over this time, it’s indeed possible that a trend of global cooling could occur. But who really plans that far ahead, humans clearly do not give a shit! I also accept that humans are indeed biological entities and our industrialisation is a natural by product of our evolution and therefore this whole process and indeed consequences is unfortunately natural selection. All this said! I believe humanity are custodians of any environment we inhabit and it should be our prime directive to leave no trace!! But I’m realistic about the likely scenario’s. Yes let’s go green! Yes let’s try and develop a new industrial strategy, but we need to prepare for the worst! The Paris climate agreement was supposed to address the imbalance between the more and the less polluting countries. It was far too weak though. Climatefeedback is a really good website that has actual climate scientists reviewing articles and claims in the media for their accuracy. It's very interesting. I can't post a link or I'll get a forum ban. But you can Google it. Does it say how humanity can reach global net zero when China contributes nearly 30% global output, India 14%and Russia 8% (from memory could be slightly inaccurate) that’s over 50% of global co2! How does that get hoovered up? Set a good example? China and Russia seem open to That. Yes pretty much it does say that. If you go to the UNFCCC website you can find all them mechanisms suggested on how they suggest to achieve this. As I said, it's too weak, too little, too late. But there is some good info on their site. It’s says how China can, but it doesn’t say why China will! And why China is not! That’s my point! Yeah for sure. China has some huge wind and solar projects underway. They're world leaders in the transition to renewables. They've got further to go than most though. It's very hard to get any political movement on this stuff because all the money is in fossil fuels, and they donate hugely to political parties of all persuasions world wide, and are rewarded handsomely ($5.9 trillion in subsidies in 2020). " I do love the understated tone m, “some way to go” they are going to be required to make 1000s if not 10,000 of plants that size!!! Is that going happen In time?! It doesn’t look good to me! | |||
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"Who gives a shyte the climate is and will always change so adapt. Oh and right wing so what, left wing so what, liberal so what. Maybe learn about it? I think this view is pretty common. It’s why we are in this dire position with very little margin for error. The “optics” of the whole movement has been horrendously managed over the years. I’m often left flabbergasted when major news outlets interview “environmentalist” who are normally ‘albeit well Intended’ under read, non scientific, unrealistic, neurotic snowflakes - who literally know nothing. This is in part why some people just dismiss global warming as a hippy issue. The reality is; the long term inevitable consequences (if China, India, Russia carry on) will impact ever aspect of life on earth. Food production, mass population migration, huge strain on resources like water!!! Decline and extinction of thousands of species and the inevitable deaths of millions of people. But people see these lily liveried snowflakes, or are fed the news via SM that they want to hear and come to these completely scientifically unsound views! That said I do accept and appreciate some of the confusion and suspicion with the science. Again the messaging and launguage has been badly managed. Allowing conspiracy nuts to elaborate mis understood data sets. I.e. most the models I have read are based on a 5000 year cycle, and it’s highly likely that our climatic impact will decline over this time, it’s indeed possible that a trend of global cooling could occur. But who really plans that far ahead, humans clearly do not give a shit! I also accept that humans are indeed biological entities and our industrialisation is a natural by product of our evolution and therefore this whole process and indeed consequences is unfortunately natural selection. All this said! I believe humanity are custodians of any environment we inhabit and it should be our prime directive to leave no trace!! But I’m realistic about the likely scenario’s. Yes let’s go green! Yes let’s try and develop a new industrial strategy, but we need to prepare for the worst! The Paris climate agreement was supposed to address the imbalance between the more and the less polluting countries. It was far too weak though. Climatefeedback is a really good website that has actual climate scientists reviewing articles and claims in the media for their accuracy. It's very interesting. I can't post a link or I'll get a forum ban. But you can Google it. Does it say how humanity can reach global net zero when China contributes nearly 30% global output, India 14%and Russia 8% (from memory could be slightly inaccurate) that’s over 50% of global co2! How does that get hoovered up? Set a good example? China and Russia seem open to That. Yes pretty much it does say that. If you go to the UNFCCC website you can find all them mechanisms suggested on how they suggest to achieve this. As I said, it's too weak, too little, too late. But there is some good info on their site. It’s says how China can, but it doesn’t say why China will! And why China is not! That’s my point! Yeah for sure. China has some huge wind and solar projects underway. They're world leaders in the transition to renewables. They've got further to go than most though. It's very hard to get any political movement on this stuff because all the money is in fossil fuels, and they donate hugely to political parties of all persuasions world wide, and are rewarded handsomely ($5.9 trillion in subsidies in 2020). I do love the understated tone m, “some way to go” they are going to be required to make 1000s if not 10,000 of plants that size!!! Is that going happen In time?! It doesn’t look good to me! " Nope. The world is moving far too slowly on this. | |||
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"Who gives a shyte the climate is and will always change so adapt. Oh and right wing so what, left wing so what, liberal so what. Maybe learn about it? I think this view is pretty common. It’s why we are in this dire position with very little margin for error. The “optics” of the whole movement has been horrendously managed over the years. I’m often left flabbergasted when major news outlets interview “environmentalist” who are normally ‘albeit well Intended’ under read, non scientific, unrealistic, neurotic snowflakes - who literally know nothing. This is in part why some people just dismiss global warming as a hippy issue. The reality is; the long term inevitable consequences (if China, India, Russia carry on) will impact ever aspect of life on earth. Food production, mass population migration, huge strain on resources like water!!! Decline and extinction of thousands of species and the inevitable deaths of millions of people. But people see these lily liveried snowflakes, or are fed the news via SM that they want to hear and come to these completely scientifically unsound views! That said I do accept and appreciate some of the confusion and suspicion with the science. Again the messaging and launguage has been badly managed. Allowing conspiracy nuts to elaborate mis understood data sets. I.e. most the models I have read are based on a 5000 year cycle, and it’s highly likely that our climatic impact will decline over this time, it’s indeed possible that a trend of global cooling could occur. But who really plans that far ahead, humans clearly do not give a shit! I also accept that humans are indeed biological entities and our industrialisation is a natural by product of our evolution and therefore this whole process and indeed consequences is unfortunately natural selection. All this said! I believe humanity are custodians of any environment we inhabit and it should be our prime directive to leave no trace!! But I’m realistic about the likely scenario’s. Yes let’s go green! Yes let’s try and develop a new industrial strategy, but we need to prepare for the worst! The Paris climate agreement was supposed to address the imbalance between the more and the less polluting countries. It was far too weak though. Climatefeedback is a really good website that has actual climate scientists reviewing articles and claims in the media for their accuracy. It's very interesting. I can't post a link or I'll get a forum ban. But you can Google it. Does it say how humanity can reach global net zero when China contributes nearly 30% global output, India 14%and Russia 8% (from memory could be slightly inaccurate) that’s over 50% of global co2! How does that get hoovered up? Set a good example? China and Russia seem open to That. Yes pretty much it does say that. If you go to the UNFCCC website you can find all them mechanisms suggested on how they suggest to achieve this. As I said, it's too weak, too little, too late. But there is some good info on their site. It’s says how China can, but it doesn’t say why China will! And why China is not! That’s my point! Yeah for sure. China has some huge wind and solar projects underway. They're world leaders in the transition to renewables. They've got further to go than most though. It's very hard to get any political movement on this stuff because all the money is in fossil fuels, and they donate hugely to political parties of all persuasions world wide, and are rewarded handsomely ($5.9 trillion in subsidies in 2020). I do love the understated tone m, “some way to go” they are going to be required to make 1000s if not 10,000 of plants that size!!! Is that going happen In time?! It doesn’t look good to me! Nope. The world is moving far too slowly on this." The people who pumped out the smog just don’t give a shit either!! It’s we paid for the war! Who cares!! | |||
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"Who gives a shyte the climate is and will always change so adapt. Oh and right wing so what, left wing so what, liberal so what. Maybe learn about it? I think this view is pretty common. It’s why we are in this dire position with very little margin for error. The “optics” of the whole movement has been horrendously managed over the years. I’m often left flabbergasted when major news outlets interview “environmentalist” who are normally ‘albeit well Intended’ under read, non scientific, unrealistic, neurotic snowflakes - who literally know nothing. This is in part why some people just dismiss global warming as a hippy issue. The reality is; the long term inevitable consequences (if China, India, Russia carry on) will impact ever aspect of life on earth. Food production, mass population migration, huge strain on resources like water!!! Decline and extinction of thousands of species and the inevitable deaths of millions of people. But people see these lily liveried snowflakes, or are fed the news via SM that they want to hear and come to these completely scientifically unsound views! That said I do accept and appreciate some of the confusion and suspicion with the science. Again the messaging and launguage has been badly managed. Allowing conspiracy nuts to elaborate mis understood data sets. I.e. most the models I have read are based on a 5000 year cycle, and it’s highly likely that our climatic impact will decline over this time, it’s indeed possible that a trend of global cooling could occur. But who really plans that far ahead, humans clearly do not give a shit! I also accept that humans are indeed biological entities and our industrialisation is a natural by product of our evolution and therefore this whole process and indeed consequences is unfortunately natural selection. All this said! I believe humanity are custodians of any environment we inhabit and it should be our prime directive to leave no trace!! But I’m realistic about the likely scenario’s. Yes let’s go green! Yes let’s try and develop a new industrial strategy, but we need to prepare for the worst! The Paris climate agreement was supposed to address the imbalance between the more and the less polluting countries. It was far too weak though. Climatefeedback is a really good website that has actual climate scientists reviewing articles and claims in the media for their accuracy. It's very interesting. I can't post a link or I'll get a forum ban. But you can Google it. Does it say how humanity can reach global net zero when China contributes nearly 30% global output, India 14%and Russia 8% (from memory could be slightly inaccurate) that’s over 50% of global co2! How does that get hoovered up? Set a good example? China and Russia seem open to That. Yes pretty much it does say that. If you go to the UNFCCC website you can find all them mechanisms suggested on how they suggest to achieve this. As I said, it's too weak, too little, too late. But there is some good info on their site. It’s says how China can, but it doesn’t say why China will! And why China is not! That’s my point! Yeah for sure. China has some huge wind and solar projects underway. They're world leaders in the transition to renewables. They've got further to go than most though. It's very hard to get any political movement on this stuff because all the money is in fossil fuels, and they donate hugely to political parties of all persuasions world wide, and are rewarded handsomely ($5.9 trillion in subsidies in 2020). I do love the understated tone m, “some way to go” they are going to be required to make 1000s if not 10,000 of plants that size!!! Is that going happen In time?! It doesn’t look good to me! Nope. The world is moving far too slowly on this. The people who pumped out the smog just don’t give a shit either!! It’s we paid for the war! Who cares!! " You are misquoting me. Please don't. | |||
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"How am I? I said our generation paid WW2 debt. I didn't say we don't care. I was not quoting you! " Really? Ok we'll leave it at that. | |||
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"The sad but real truth is: without China and Russia cutting greenhouse gases by more than 40% its impossible to achieve the required global targets. I totally agree with the need to act! But Unfortunately we have left it too late. We urgently need a technical solution. The technical solution exists. Shift to renewables, grid storage and nuclear. EVs and Hydrogen. Energy efficiency. It provides a financial and security advantage over fossil fuels and massive new technologies and industries to drive investment and growth. All of the things that people claim that they want. That will provide a competitive advantage for those countries embracing carbon reduction. Especially if carbon taxes are finally imposed to reflect the cost of the damage it causes. It's not "too late", there's just no will. It's a choice being made and lobbied for to not change. Keep drinking the Kool Aid. Next you'll be telling us that paying climate reparations is going to make us all rich." As ever, not a single piece of information provided by you. Just opinion. Provide us with any verifiable information to indicate that man made climate change is not a real thing. Something other than a random guy on YouTube. Even the fossil fuel industry (which lied about it for years) acknowledges the issue, so who exactly are you listening to? "Reparations" are another deliberately loaded term to create controversy. This is countries which have become wealthy as a consequence of their past actions helping those countries suffering the consequences. If you're smart these investments are paid to our own companies who are at the forefront of the technologies that can reduce emissions and help to alleviate the problems caused. Any money spent on reducing and fixing climate change is an investment in reducing future disasters and it's still being invested in the economy and new technologies. You seem unable to move beyond slogans and what exists now. You seem to not want technology investment or new jobs or for the UK to be at the forefront of this. You seem to want the status quo and our position in the middle of the pack. I have no idea why. | |||
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"The sad but real truth is: without China and Russia cutting greenhouse gases by more than 40% its impossible to achieve the required global targets. I totally agree with the need to act! But Unfortunately we have left it too late. We urgently need a technical solution. The technical solution exists. Shift to renewables, grid storage and nuclear. EVs and Hydrogen. Energy efficiency. It provides a financial and security advantage over fossil fuels and massive new technologies and industries to drive investment and growth. All of the things that people claim that they want. That will provide a competitive advantage for those countries embracing carbon reduction. Especially if carbon taxes are finally imposed to reflect the cost of the damage it causes. It's not "too late", there's just no will. It's a choice being made and lobbied for to not change. Keep drinking the Kool Aid. Next you'll be telling us that paying climate reparations is going to make us all rich. As ever, not a single piece of information provided by you. Just opinion. Provide us with any verifiable information to indicate that man made climate change is not a real thing. Something other than a random guy on YouTube. Even the fossil fuel industry (which lied about it for years) acknowledges the issue, so who exactly are you listening to? "Reparations" are another deliberately loaded term to create controversy. This is countries which have become wealthy as a consequence of their past actions helping those countries suffering the consequences. If you're smart these investments are paid to our own companies who are at the forefront of the technologies that can reduce emissions and help to alleviate the problems caused. Any money spent on reducing and fixing climate change is an investment in reducing future disasters and it's still being invested in the economy and new technologies. You seem unable to move beyond slogans and what exists now. You seem to not want technology investment or new jobs or for the UK to be at the forefront of this. You seem to want the status quo and our position in the middle of the pack. I have no idea why." Private citizens should be able to invest in whatever they wish. Fill your boots. | |||
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"The sad but real truth is: without China and Russia cutting greenhouse gases by more than 40% its impossible to achieve the required global targets. I totally agree with the need to act! But Unfortunately we have left it too late. We urgently need a technical solution. The technical solution exists. Shift to renewables, grid storage and nuclear. EVs and Hydrogen. Energy efficiency. It provides a financial and security advantage over fossil fuels and massive new technologies and industries to drive investment and growth. All of the things that people claim that they want. That will provide a competitive advantage for those countries embracing carbon reduction. Especially if carbon taxes are finally imposed to reflect the cost of the damage it causes. It's not "too late", there's just no will. It's a choice being made and lobbied for to not change. Keep drinking the Kool Aid. Next you'll be telling us that paying climate reparations is going to make us all rich. As ever, not a single piece of information provided by you. Just opinion. Provide us with any verifiable information to indicate that man made climate change is not a real thing. Something other than a random guy on YouTube. Even the fossil fuel industry (which lied about it for years) acknowledges the issue, so who exactly are you listening to? "Reparations" are another deliberately loaded term to create controversy. This is countries which have become wealthy as a consequence of their past actions helping those countries suffering the consequences. If you're smart these investments are paid to our own companies who are at the forefront of the technologies that can reduce emissions and help to alleviate the problems caused. Any money spent on reducing and fixing climate change is an investment in reducing future disasters and it's still being invested in the economy and new technologies. You seem unable to move beyond slogans and what exists now. You seem to not want technology investment or new jobs or for the UK to be at the forefront of this. You seem to want the status quo and our position in the middle of the pack. I have no idea why. Private citizens should be able to invest in whatever they wish. Fill your boots." Like harmful drugs to sell to whoever wants them? Direct pollution into the atmosphere or waterways? Slum properties? Fake goods? Dangerous toys and electrical goods? Sure. Why not if it makes money? Excellent and well constructed argument. Still unable to actually back your opinion with anything except what's in your own head though. | |||
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"The sad but real truth is: without China and Russia cutting greenhouse gases by more than 40% its impossible to achieve the required global targets. I totally agree with the need to act! But Unfortunately we have left it too late. We urgently need a technical solution. The technical solution exists. Shift to renewables, grid storage and nuclear. EVs and Hydrogen. Energy efficiency. It provides a financial and security advantage over fossil fuels and massive new technologies and industries to drive investment and growth. All of the things that people claim that they want. That will provide a competitive advantage for those countries embracing carbon reduction. Especially if carbon taxes are finally imposed to reflect the cost of the damage it causes. It's not "too late", there's just no will. It's a choice being made and lobbied for to not change. Keep drinking the Kool Aid. Next you'll be telling us that paying climate reparations is going to make us all rich. As ever, not a single piece of information provided by you. Just opinion. Provide us with any verifiable information to indicate that man made climate change is not a real thing. Something other than a random guy on YouTube. Even the fossil fuel industry (which lied about it for years) acknowledges the issue, so who exactly are you listening to? "Reparations" are another deliberately loaded term to create controversy. This is countries which have become wealthy as a consequence of their past actions helping those countries suffering the consequences. If you're smart these investments are paid to our own companies who are at the forefront of the technologies that can reduce emissions and help to alleviate the problems caused. Any money spent on reducing and fixing climate change is an investment in reducing future disasters and it's still being invested in the economy and new technologies. You seem unable to move beyond slogans and what exists now. You seem to not want technology investment or new jobs or for the UK to be at the forefront of this. You seem to want the status quo and our position in the middle of the pack. I have no idea why. Private citizens should be able to invest in whatever they wish. Fill your boots. Like harmful drugs to sell to whoever wants them? Direct pollution into the atmosphere or waterways? Slum properties? Fake goods? Dangerous toys and electrical goods? Sure. Why not if it makes money? Excellent and well constructed argument. Still unable to actually back your opinion with anything except what's in your own head though." You seem very worked up about all this. Are you sure you aren't being radicalised? | |||
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"Who gives a shyte the climate is and will always change so adapt. Oh and right wing so what, left wing so what, liberal so what. Maybe learn about it? I think this view is pretty common. It’s why we are in this dire position with very little margin for error. The “optics” of the whole movement has been horrendously managed over the years. I’m often left flabbergasted when major news outlets interview “environmentalist” who are normally ‘albeit well Intended’ under read, non scientific, unrealistic, neurotic snowflakes - who literally know nothing. This is in part why some people just dismiss global warming as a hippy issue. The reality is; the long term inevitable consequences (if China, India, Russia carry on) will impact ever aspect of life on earth. Food production, mass population migration, huge strain on resources like water!!! Decline and extinction of thousands of species and the inevitable deaths of millions of people. But people see these lily liveried snowflakes, or are fed the news via SM that they want to hear and come to these completely scientifically unsound views! That said I do accept and appreciate some of the confusion and suspicion with the science. Again the messaging and launguage has been badly managed. Allowing conspiracy nuts to elaborate mis understood data sets. I.e. most the models I have read are based on a 5000 year cycle, and it’s highly likely that our climatic impact will decline over this time, it’s indeed possible that a trend of global cooling could occur. But who really plans that far ahead, humans clearly do not give a shit! I also accept that humans are indeed biological entities and our industrialisation is a natural by product of our evolution and therefore this whole process and indeed consequences is unfortunately natural selection. All this said! I believe humanity are custodians of any environment we inhabit and it should be our prime directive to leave no trace!! But I’m realistic about the likely scenario’s. Yes let’s go green! Yes let’s try and develop a new industrial strategy, but we need to prepare for the worst! The Paris climate agreement was supposed to address the imbalance between the more and the less polluting countries. It was far too weak though. Climatefeedback is a really good website that has actual climate scientists reviewing articles and claims in the media for their accuracy. It's very interesting. I can't post a link or I'll get a forum ban. But you can Google it. Does it say how humanity can reach global net zero when China contributes nearly 30% global output, India 14%and Russia 8% (from memory could be slightly inaccurate) that’s over 50% of global co2! How does that get hoovered up? Set a good example? China and Russia seem open to That. It's fantasy of course. Western governments have just come out with random targets on emissions and EV's etc with absolutely no idea at all how they are going to achieve them. The rest of the world isn't going to impoverish itself over climate change so it's down to the West to destroy itself to achieve nothing. EVs are typical of this delusion. They are totally impractical and out of reach financially for the vast majority of the population. They are being purchased in tiny numbers even in developed countries, where there is still no infrastructure. Even in the best of times very few people would be prepared to pay premium prices for substandard products, and now with failing economies across the West, ironically contributed to by their own failed energy policies, it's even less likely that people are going to burden themselves with ridiculous PCP loans on top of rising mortgages and gas bills, just to fit in with some State eco zealotry. The difficulty is that politicians are going to find it very difficult to be the first to step up and admit that they have got it badly wrong." You continue to not understand the technologies and industries and economics of what you are so set against, and when you're challenged you ignore and repeat. EVs are a new industry. Already more efficient in engineering terms, in under twenty years than internal combustion engines in over a century. Costs where they are due to limited economies of scale. In the same way that ABS and parking sensors were originally only on top of the range cars but now widespread. China has larger economies of scale and significantly cheaper, and more basic EVs. They are no longer all being sold as premium products to maximise margins as the investment has been made. People have "burdened" themselves with PCP loans on cars for decades for IC cars. What's the difference. Renewable energy without subsidy cheaper than fossil fuel with subsidy. New technologies is already better than the established one with substantially more development to come. The failure of energy policy is continuing to use expensive and polluting fossil fuels subject to the whims of cartels and geopolitics rather than low cost renewable energy independence. You really don't have the data to back your position, but will repeat your beliefs regardless it seems. | |||
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