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"I do. What about the rest of you?" Yes please and would like Labour to pledge switching to PR when they win. It has its problems but something has to change on how we elect governments | |||
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"I do. What about the rest of you? Yes please and would like Labour to pledge switching to PR when they win. It has its problems but something has to change on how we elect governments" It would be nice. | |||
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"I do. What about the rest of you?" Is that a quip on the woody allen joke, my brother is crazy he thinks he is a chicken,,, turn him in,,, i would but i need the eggs. Why participate in their career development and pensions.  | |||
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"If and when Labour win the next GE why would they want to change the system?" They probably wouldn't. That wasn't actually the question of the thread though. | |||
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"If and when Labour win the next GE why would they want to change the system? They probably wouldn't. That wasn't actually the question of the thread though." No but the point was raised by Leroy | |||
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"If and when Labour win the next GE why would they want to change the system? They probably wouldn't. That wasn't actually the question of the thread though. No but the point was raised by Leroy " do you want an election or not? | |||
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"I do. What about the rest of you?" Nope, pointless waste of time for another election now. | |||
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"I do. What about the rest of you? Nope, pointless waste of time for another election now." The Tories are an ever growing car crash. And they keep crowbarring in new awful PMs. At this point, surely the public deserve a say in all this? | |||
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"I do. What about the rest of you? Nope, pointless waste of time for another election now. The Tories are an ever growing car crash. And they keep crowbarring in new awful PMs. At this point, surely the public deserve a say in all this? " No change really, they've been like this for the past 12 years. Everytime something happens, all the endless sleaze, nepotism, self serving behaviours, ruining the country etc, people are up in arms. But at the next GE the money comes in behind the Tories, because they represent the interests of the billionaires and corporations, they have slick campaigns, slander everyone else, and people vote accordingly. | |||
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"I do. What about the rest of you? Nope, pointless waste of time for another election now. The Tories are an ever growing car crash. And they keep crowbarring in new awful PMs. At this point, surely the public deserve a say in all this? No change really, they've been like this for the past 12 years. Everytime something happens, all the endless sleaze, nepotism, self serving behaviours, ruining the country etc, people are up in arms. But at the next GE the money comes in behind the Tories, because they represent the interests of the billionaires and corporations, they have slick campaigns, slander everyone else, and people vote accordingly." It's hard to see people voting for them now. That's why the Tories are desperately trying to avoid an election. | |||
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"I do. What about the rest of you? Nope, pointless waste of time for another election now. The Tories are an ever growing car crash. And they keep crowbarring in new awful PMs. At this point, surely the public deserve a say in all this? No change really, they've been like this for the past 12 years. Everytime something happens, all the endless sleaze, nepotism, self serving behaviours, ruining the country etc, people are up in arms. But at the next GE the money comes in behind the Tories, because they represent the interests of the billionaires and corporations, they have slick campaigns, slander everyone else, and people vote accordingly. It's hard to see people voting for them now. That's why the Tories are desperately trying to avoid an election." "It's hard to see people voting for them now." How many times have we been here? Always the same result. | |||
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"I do. What about the rest of you? Nope, pointless waste of time for another election now. The Tories are an ever growing car crash. And they keep crowbarring in new awful PMs. At this point, surely the public deserve a say in all this? No change really, they've been like this for the past 12 years. Everytime something happens, all the endless sleaze, nepotism, self serving behaviours, ruining the country etc, people are up in arms. But at the next GE the money comes in behind the Tories, because they represent the interests of the billionaires and corporations, they have slick campaigns, slander everyone else, and people vote accordingly. It's hard to see people voting for them now. That's why the Tories are desperately trying to avoid an election. "It's hard to see people voting for them now." How many times have we been here? Always the same result." These are not normal times. Watching the flaming car crashes of Johnson then Truss shows that. (But we'll see...) | |||
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"I do. What about the rest of you? Nope, pointless waste of time for another election now. The Tories are an ever growing car crash. And they keep crowbarring in new awful PMs. At this point, surely the public deserve a say in all this? No change really, they've been like this for the past 12 years. Everytime something happens, all the endless sleaze, nepotism, self serving behaviours, ruining the country etc, people are up in arms. But at the next GE the money comes in behind the Tories, because they represent the interests of the billionaires and corporations, they have slick campaigns, slander everyone else, and people vote accordingly. It's hard to see people voting for them now. That's why the Tories are desperately trying to avoid an election. "It's hard to see people voting for them now." How many times have we been here? Always the same result. These are not normal times. Watching the flaming car crashes of Johnson then Truss shows that. (But we'll see...)" I mean, I hope we can get shot of these parasites. But I am not hopeful. | |||
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"I do. What about the rest of you? Nope, pointless waste of time for another election now. The Tories are an ever growing car crash. And they keep crowbarring in new awful PMs. At this point, surely the public deserve a say in all this? No change really, they've been like this for the past 12 years. Everytime something happens, all the endless sleaze, nepotism, self serving behaviours, ruining the country etc, people are up in arms. But at the next GE the money comes in behind the Tories, because they represent the interests of the billionaires and corporations, they have slick campaigns, slander everyone else, and people vote accordingly. It's hard to see people voting for them now. That's why the Tories are desperately trying to avoid an election. "It's hard to see people voting for them now." How many times have we been here? Always the same result. These are not normal times. Watching the flaming car crashes of Johnson then Truss shows that. (But we'll see...) I mean, I hope we can get shot of these parasites. But I am not hopeful." I can tell. I hope your hopefulness can return some day. | |||
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"If and when Labour win the next GE why would they want to change the system? They probably wouldn't. That wasn't actually the question of the thread though. No but the point was raised by Leroy do you want an election or not?" Yes, I do. | |||
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"If and when Labour win the next GE why would they want to change the system? They probably wouldn't. That wasn't actually the question of the thread though. No but the point was raised by Leroy do you want an election or not? Yes, I do. " There ya go. ty for answering. | |||
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"I do. What about the rest of you? Nope, pointless waste of time for another election now. The Tories are an ever growing car crash. And they keep crowbarring in new awful PMs. At this point, surely the public deserve a say in all this? No change really, they've been like this for the past 12 years. Everytime something happens, all the endless sleaze, nepotism, self serving behaviours, ruining the country etc, people are up in arms. But at the next GE the money comes in behind the Tories, because they represent the interests of the billionaires and corporations, they have slick campaigns, slander everyone else, and people vote accordingly. It's hard to see people voting for them now. That's why the Tories are desperately trying to avoid an election. "It's hard to see people voting for them now." How many times have we been here? Always the same result. These are not normal times. Watching the flaming car crashes of Johnson then Truss shows that. (But we'll see...) I mean, I hope we can get shot of these parasites. But I am not hopeful. I can tell. I hope your hopefulness can return some day." Hopefully | |||
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"If and when Labour win the next GE why would they want to change the system? They probably wouldn't. That wasn't actually the question of the thread though. No but the point was raised by Leroy do you want an election or not? Yes, I do. There ya go. ty for answering." You're welcome. And as I've already conceded, it'll be a Labour govt. Tory party is complacent and needs a spell in opposition. That's just how it works for both main parties as history shows | |||
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"If and when Labour win the next GE why would they want to change the system? They probably wouldn't. That wasn't actually the question of the thread though. No but the point was raised by Leroy do you want an election or not? Yes, I do. There ya go. ty for answering. You're welcome. And as I've already conceded, it'll be a Labour govt. Tory party is complacent and needs a spell in opposition. That's just how it works for both main parties as history shows" Complacent? Understatement of the century right there, if you've watched the shit Johnson + Truss pulled. | |||
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"If and when Labour win the next GE why would they want to change the system? They probably wouldn't. That wasn't actually the question of the thread though. No but the point was raised by Leroy do you want an election or not? Yes, I do. There ya go. ty for answering. You're welcome. And as I've already conceded, it'll be a Labour govt. Tory party is complacent and needs a spell in opposition. That's just how it works for both main parties as history shows Complacent? Understatement of the century right there, if you've watched the shit Johnson + Truss pulled." But in the same way that the prospective PM candidates should be wary, so should Labour. If it takes more than 2-3 years to sort the mess out, the popular vote will soon migrate to the opposition | |||
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"If and when Labour win the next GE why would they want to change the system? They probably wouldn't. That wasn't actually the question of the thread though. No but the point was raised by Leroy do you want an election or not? Yes, I do. There ya go. ty for answering. You're welcome. And as I've already conceded, it'll be a Labour govt. Tory party is complacent and needs a spell in opposition. That's just how it works for both main parties as history shows Complacent? Understatement of the century right there, if you've watched the shit Johnson + Truss pulled. But in the same way that the prospective PM candidates should be wary, so should Labour. If it takes more than 2-3 years to sort the mess out, the popular vote will soon migrate to the opposition " Sure. You're talking about electoral prospects in the future. I'm not. The problem is the Tories have been fucking this country for years. That's why they need to be replaced ASAP | |||
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"No I’d rather they all fuck off. If there’s an election the forums will be so boring, even worse than now " um... ok? | |||
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"If and when Labour win the next GE why would they want to change the system? They probably wouldn't. That wasn't actually the question of the thread though. No but the point was raised by Leroy do you want an election or not? Yes, I do. There ya go. ty for answering. You're welcome. And as I've already conceded, it'll be a Labour govt. Tory party is complacent and needs a spell in opposition. That's just how it works for both main parties as history shows Complacent? Understatement of the century right there, if you've watched the shit Johnson + Truss pulled. But in the same way that the prospective PM candidates should be wary, so should Labour. If it takes more than 2-3 years to sort the mess out, the popular vote will soon migrate to the opposition Sure. You're talking about electoral prospects in the future. I'm not. The problem is the Tories have been fucking this country for years. That's why they need to be replaced ASAP" Yes they need to be replaced as did Thatcher's govt and Blair's govt | |||
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"Yes the Tories have left us with historic debt. Also out of Europe and the lost trade that has entailed. Oh and let me count 4 of the worst prime ministers this country has ever produced . All in the last decade or do. Yet people wonder if Labour are capable. Well for sure this incompetent sleaze ridden party is totally unfit for Government " Don't hold back, say what you feel  | |||
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"I heard on the radio a bunch of Tory MP's complaining about "How were they going to win the next election?" That was the main point of their argument. Not a single one said,"How can we serve the electorate better ?" v. disappointed. " Party before country. It should be their fucking motto. | |||
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"I do. What about the rest of you?" Yes we need a general election now. The torys have collapsed and the UK economy is a joke. This country has lost all credibility on the international stage. Now their best idea is to make Boris PM again! After all the lies and shameful behaviours they think he is the best option. I detest Tory’s | |||
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"No, just get Boris back and let him get on with the job." A part of me wonders if this was the plan all along | |||
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"No, just get Boris back and let him get on with the job." To quote myself from another thread...REALLY!!!!! 
Boris Johnson is a liar. He misled parliament. He oversaw corruption. His policies led to tens of thousands of excess Covid deaths. He was convicted of a crime in office. He signed a Brexit deal he hadn’t read. He ignored warnings about a known sex pest and appointed him. He was clearly a compromised security risk who partied with ex KGB agents. He ignored obvious covid rules of his chief advisor and even defended him. He allowed and attended parties while everyone else was in covid lockdown. He gave £100k of public money to his mistress. The list goes on and on!
Then there’s the other guy...
Sunak’s wife avoided £millions in tax falsely claiming non-dom status (married to the man who sets tax policy). His wife had two companies that received £millions in govt support during covid and were then wound up so they did not have to pay back anything. He decimated the freelance/self employed IT industry paving the way for large outsourcing companies to gobble up contracts, including the company his father-in-law and wife owns. His ill-conceived covid support packages allowed fraud on an unprecedented level that will never be recovered losing the public purse £billions. He broke US and UK law by still holding a Green Card that requires sworn allegiance to the USA (not a good look for the 2nd most important UK minister). He was part of the banking team that helped to cause the 2008 financial meltdown hugely enriching himself in the process.
Neither are fit for government and certainly not the top job! | |||
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"I do. What about the rest of you?" I think you have to… putting the fate of the country in the same 150,000 people twice… that’s North Korean like! | |||
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"To quote myself from another thread...REALLY!!!!! "Yes, really. We knew what Boris was like before he was elected and he stayed true to form so he is a known quantity. On a macro scale the calls made were not too bad given the challenges, and he is a reasonable communicator. He is also a narcissistic lying tosser who has an extremely poor grasp of detail so if he gets back in there needs to be a team around him to mitigate that. In terms of COVID, the government shouldn't have discharged elderly people to care homes without testing and shouldn't have locked down as hard (if at all) but Labour were clamouring for even more restrictions at the time. As for Rishi, his legacy is the highest tax burden for 70 years. Fiscal drag by freezing tax allowances and other stealth taxes. If taxes are needed (and really, the state should be smaller therefore reducing tax) then the tax system should be open, fair and simple. Rishi pretended to empathise with the common people whilst shafting them. Under Labour it is highly likely that union demands will be agreed to in terms of wages therefore increasing and prolonging the period of high inflation. So, yes, Boris performs as expected and is the best choice. | |||
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" So, yes, Boris performs as expected and is the best choice." Just send the meteorite now. | |||
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"To quote myself from another thread...REALLY!!!!!
Yes, really.
We knew what Boris was like before he was elected and he stayed true to form so he is a known quantity. On a macro scale the calls made were not too bad given the challenges, and he is a reasonable communicator. He is also a narcissistic lying tosser who has an extremely poor grasp of detail so if he gets back in there needs to be a team around him to mitigate that. In terms of COVID, the government shouldn't have discharged elderly people to care homes without testing and shouldn't have locked down as hard (if at all) but Labour were clamouring for even more restrictions at the time.
As for Rishi, his legacy is the highest tax burden for 70 years. Fiscal drag by freezing tax allowances and other stealth taxes. If taxes are needed (and really, the state should be smaller therefore reducing tax) then the tax system should be open, fair and simple. Rishi pretended to empathise with the common people whilst shafting them.
Under Labour it is highly likely that union demands will be agreed to in terms of wages therefore increasing and prolonging the period of high inflation.
So, yes, Boris performs as expected and is the best choice."Wow ok well I respect your opinion even if I cannot remotely agree with it. I am astounded anyone could forgive Johnson for that huge list of issues he caused or was ultimately responsible for. He should be in prison quite frankly for “corporate manslaughter” of the 000s who died in care homes due to the govt policy of moving them out of hospitals, untested for covid, and into care homes (which lacked PPE etc). | |||
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"To quote myself from another thread...REALLY!!!!!
Yes, really.
We knew what Boris was like before he was elected and he stayed true to form so he is a known quantity. On a macro scale the calls made were not too bad given the challenges, and he is a reasonable communicator. He is also a narcissistic lying tosser who has an extremely poor grasp of detail so if he gets back in there needs to be a team around him to mitigate that. In terms of COVID, the government shouldn't have discharged elderly people to care homes without testing and shouldn't have locked down as hard (if at all) but Labour were clamouring for even more restrictions at the time.
As for Rishi, his legacy is the highest tax burden for 70 years. Fiscal drag by freezing tax allowances and other stealth taxes. If taxes are needed (and really, the state should be smaller therefore reducing tax) then the tax system should be open, fair and simple. Rishi pretended to empathise with the common people whilst shafting them.
Under Labour it is highly likely that union demands will be agreed to in terms of wages therefore increasing and prolonging the period of high inflation.
So, yes, Boris performs as expected and is the best choice."Wow that’s a depressing point of view….we really are fucked if that’s the best we can do | |||
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