FabSwingers.com forum: We need a general election!

By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

Now, not in a few years. I watched an interview on sky news and I agree with the lady that said that one is needed now, she was very worried for the future and the economy, also there seems to be a deep anger within the tory party over liz, what is your view about it, do you also agree with her that one is needed?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Now, not in a few years. I watched an interview on sky news and I agree with the lady that said that one is needed now, she was very worried for the future and the economy, also there seems to be a deep anger within the tory party over liz, what is your view about it, do you also agree with her that one is needed?

Yes, ASAP, I can’t see it happening though whilst the Tories are so weak

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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

Yes, ASAP, I can’t see it happening though whilst the Tories are so weak "
Yes. I also dont think it will happen, but it would be good if it did, did you know that apparently liz wasnt the 1st choice as pm? She came as nr3, the members chose her.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

It would take too long even if it was a possibility which it isn't, ditto if enough letters went in to have a vote of no confidence and both would cause more chaos and uncertainty which is where the economy is now and needs not to be..

The only thing that's going to possibly ease the current chaos is a massive u turn, which Truss and her advisors know is political suicide but they will have two years to try and spin more bullshit on their tenure this far..

She's gotten herself elected on a platform of the last twelve years of Tory governance have been shit (ignoring the fact she held senior positions during such) so here's my solution which is a disaster and is causing concerns in other countries as once it goes belly up in one G7 country it will spread to others..

They say opposition's don't win elections, governments lose them and I think the day of and how badly handled the fiscal statement/ mini budget was will be the date that historians look upon as the day the Tories lost ..

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By *exy_HornyCouple
over a year ago

Leigh

No, because Captain Hindsight would be likely to win. We would then really be up sh*t creek without a paddle.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No, because Captain Hindsight would be likely to win. We would then really be up sh*t creek without a paddle."

Thick Lizzie is ruining the economy and the country, Starmer wouldn’t ,

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By *ionaScarletTV/TS
over a year ago

Dundee

"No, because Captain Hindsight would be likely to win. We would then really be up sh*t creek without a paddle.

Thick Lizzie is ruining the economy and the country, Starmer wouldn’t ,

It'd be difficult for him to do any worse. Every time Truss and Kwasi open their mouths I lose money

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No, because Captain Hindsight would be likely to win. We would then really be up sh*t creek without a paddle.

Thick Lizzie is ruining the economy and the country, Starmer wouldn’t ,

It'd be difficult for him to do any worse. Every time Truss and Kwasi open their mouths I lose money"

Yep, they are clueless, even her own MPs think she is thick , time for a GE,

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

I have been of the opinion that a general election would make things worse, due to us being in so much trouble that a new government would struggle to take control of it.

Right now, I think a snap election is the only way of seeing significant change for good.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"No, because Captain Hindsight would be likely to win. We would then really be up sh*t creek without a paddle."

Really… how could it get any worse… I think the markets showed you what faith they had in her economic policies!

It will get to the point where Tory mps will have to figure out if they want to try and save their own seats will it get better or worse… if the answer is worse! They are better off taking their chances now with a GE! (It would take 40 mps to make that happen!)

Interesting poll yesterday… they did one in “blue wall” seats (one that just traditionally voted tory) … labour in those are up 13!

They are going to get wiped out by their own economic incompetence…. Liz and kwasi are just the gifts that keep on giving!!

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

Can it be an election in which ALL the current MPs are barred from standing in….

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By *exy_HornyCouple
over a year ago

Leigh

"Can it be an election in which ALL the current MPs are barred from standing in…."

I'd fully support that, provided all past MPs are also barred.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

No. The country has been dropped so far in the shit, with such velocity, that there is no time to run a general election.

What is needed is to dissolve the government now, today, this morning, and replace it immediately with a cross party coalition excluding all current cabinet members and all who served under Johnson. This coalition government should be tasked with rewinding the disastrous actions of the Truss government, temporarily stabilising the economy, and acting as caretaker until a general election can be properly organised early in the new year.

The Truss government must not be allowed to stay in power for one minute longer, it must not be allowed to make any more decisions or set any policy, it must not even be allowed to do the back-pedalling on it's previous actions. Every single action, reversal of action, or non-action of Truss and her ministers increases the instability of the country because basically they have less than zero credibility with the global economic community.

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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"No, because Captain Hindsight would be likely to win. We would then really be up sh*t creek without a paddle.

Thick Lizzie is ruining the economy and the country, Starmer wouldn’t ,

It'd be difficult for him to do any worse. Every time Truss and Kwasi open their mouths I lose money

Yep, they are clueless, even her own MPs think she is thick , time for a GE, "
Yes starmer would be better, now that liz have been there a month, totally crashing the economy. I cant see it getting better, why wait longer? Lets hope that the pound wont lose its value totally, imagine how much a bread can cost, remember how much a bread used to cost in germany, it was 1 million mark.

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By *exy_HornyCouple
over a year ago

Leigh

And Starmer, who will roll over and bow to his union paymasters, will therefore fuel inflation.

He will also revert to the economic groupthink, without any new or innovative ideas.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"And Starmer, who will roll over and bow to his union paymasters, will therefore fuel inflation.

He will also revert to the economic groupthink, without any new or innovative ideas."

Because Liz’s idea is so brilliant all the economic masterminds bow in her glory?

Can I ask you a question? You don’t have to answer it but i am curious…. I am going to assume you have a mortgage? For the sake of the question I as going to assume it’s fixed rate… do you know how much more it’s going to cost you once your fixed rate is up?

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By *exy_HornyCouple
over a year ago

Leigh

" I am going to assume you have a mortgage? For the sake of the question I as going to assume it’s fixed rate… do you know how much more it’s going to cost you once your fixed rate is up? "

No mortgage. Paid it off more than a decade ago. So interest rates should be set at a fixed 2% above inflation as far as I am concerned.

All this panic is due to poor fiscal policy, mainly by the Bank of England keeping interest rates artificially low so suckering people into taking on unsustainable debt.

When I got my first mortgage I think interest rates were about 8% but the bank insisted on doing affordability checks based on 15%... and required a 50% deposit on the property.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And Starmer, who will roll over and bow to his union paymasters, will therefore fuel inflation.

He will also revert to the economic groupthink, without any new or innovative ideas."

Thick Lizzie will have to do an embarrassing u turn very soon or she will be out be Xmas

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

An election now would be utterly pointless.

The all powerful Tory propaganda machine would click into action, supported by the printed press and a complete failure of BBC/Sky/Channel 4 etc to scrutinize them. We'd just get five more years of Tory rule.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"And Starmer, who will roll over and bow to his union paymasters, will therefore fuel inflation.

He will also revert to the economic groupthink, without any new or innovative ideas."

This right here. This is why it's pointless.

Tory voters have been conditioned to believe that these narcissistic, self serving pricks are either what we deserve or are as good as it gets.

Sad times.

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By *irtysnapperMan
over a year ago

Nottingham

"And Starmer, who will roll over and bow to his union paymasters, will therefore fuel inflation.

He will also revert to the economic groupthink, without any new or innovative ideas.

This right here. This is why it's pointless.

Tory voters have been conditioned to believe that these narcissistic, self serving pricks are either what we deserve or are as good as it gets.

Sad times."

Yep. The ‘They’re all as bad as each other argument’. Which is clearly utter bollocks. And that’s how we’ve ended up with 12 years of being shat upon from a great height, and people carry on lapping it up and moronically parroting stupid catchphrases like ‘Captain Hindsight’.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And Starmer, who will roll over and bow to his union paymasters, will therefore fuel inflation.

He will also revert to the economic groupthink, without any new or innovative ideas.

This right here. This is why it's pointless.

Tory voters have been conditioned to believe that these narcissistic, self serving pricks are either what we deserve or are as good as it gets.

Sad times.

Yep, too many Tory shills on here

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By *exy_HornyCouple
over a year ago

Leigh

"Yep, too many Tory shills on here"

There are very few giving a balanced view as the entire Politics forum seems to be infested with left wing activists taking every opportunity to criticize.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yep, too many Tory shills on here

There are very few giving a balanced view as the entire Politics forum seems to be infested with left wing activists taking every opportunity to criticize."

Who on here is a ‘left wing a activist’ ?

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Yep, too many Tory shills on here

There are very few giving a balanced view as the entire Politics forum seems to be infested with left wing activists taking every opportunity to criticize."

It's funny, because to me, there's a few people who question the government, brexit ect. Then an overwhelmingly packed full of Tories who insult anyone who dares to suggest that we deserve better.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Yep, too many Tory shills on here

There are very few giving a balanced view as the entire Politics forum seems to be infested with left wing activists taking every opportunity to criticize."

Don’t hide behind statements like this… name names!!

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Yep, too many Tory shills on here

There are very few giving a balanced view as the entire Politics forum seems to be infested with left wing activists taking every opportunity to criticize.

Who on here is a ‘left wing a activist’ ? "

Anyone who questions the infallible Tories is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yep, too many Tory shills on here

There are very few giving a balanced view as the entire Politics forum seems to be infested with left wing activists taking every opportunity to criticize.

Who on here is a ‘left wing a activist’ ?

Anyone who questions the infallible Tories is."

Indeed, you either blindly support everything the Tory does or you are a ‘left wing activist’

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Yep, too many Tory shills on here

There are very few giving a balanced view as the entire Politics forum seems to be infested with left wing activists taking every opportunity to criticize.

Who on here is a ‘left wing a activist’ ?

Anyone who questions the infallible Tories is.

Indeed, you either blindly support everything the Tory does or you are a ‘left wing activist’ "

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By *allguynowMan
over a year ago

durham

Brexit and cameron started the rot. Then bumbling Boris.now truss and kwasi are really screwing the country. Higher mortgage rates, rampant inflation, higher interest rates, the energy crisis,lots of job vacancies unable to be filled as economic workers left this country in droves.its all going Pete tong.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"And Starmer, who will roll over and bow to his union paymasters, will therefore fuel inflation.

He will also revert to the economic groupthink, without any new or innovative ideas."

This isn't making a lot of sense right now.

Do you think Truss has any hope of directing the country out of the mess she has made in the last few weeks?

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

I agree, the sooner the better though just hope the recent trend does not continue of

1) absolutely anyone would be better than Boris

2) absolutely anyone would be better than dizzy lizzy

3) absolutely anyone would be better than ..... (insert relevant name)

We can at least hope for better, can't we?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All this panic is due to poor fiscal policy, mainly by the Bank of England keeping interest rates artificially low so suckering people into taking on unsustainable debt."

Absolutely spot on. Prior to Covid, the Bank of England didn't make a single change to interest in 11 years. Before that there were decades of precedent where they would regularly adjust interest each year, sometimes four or five times in one year. We were aware of this so didn't overburden ourselves when we got our mortgage a few years ago.

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By *j202293Man
over a year ago

South Wales

We need Welsh independence

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bring on the Republic, get shot of the thieving perverted lot of them.

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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

The best thing she can do is to reverse the tax cut and accept that she got it wrong, there is actually no reason for her to continue with it, unless she doesnt want to accept that she got it wrong, even the tory mps are urging her to rethink her tax cut.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Any change in PM should always trigger an election.

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

Why the fuck is it every time I scroll past this thread I see "general erection"

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Any change in PM should always trigger an election.

Why?

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"The best thing she can do is to reverse the tax cut and accept that she got it wrong, there is actually no reason for her to continue with it, unless she doesnt want to accept that she got it wrong, even the tory mps are urging her to rethink her tax cut."

The problem here is a politician admitting they have got it wrong is rare, a PM admitting they have got it wrong....

Sunak warned us of Truss's plans and if the stories of him waiting in the wings is correct, they need to hurry up and roll him out.

I honestly think by putting him in charge the markets will settle immediately.

I don't know how long the process of replacing Truss with Sunak would take but announcing it would be a great start.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Any change in PM should always trigger an election.

Why?"

To ensure the person leading the country has a genuine mandate from the electorate.

To prevent the shit show of a carousel we've had in recent times.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Any change in PM should always trigger an election.

Why?

To ensure the person leading the country has a genuine mandate from the electorate.

To prevent the shit show of a carousel we've had in recent times."

I'm not sure a GE would be the answer, the party in charge as already been elected.

I do think they could do something with the last 2 candidates, a modern digital voting system that gives the country a say.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Any change in PM should always trigger an election.

Why?

To ensure the person leading the country has a genuine mandate from the electorate.

To prevent the shit show of a carousel we've had in recent times.

I'm not sure a GE would be the answer, the party in charge as already been elected.

I do think they could do something with the last 2 candidates, a modern digital voting system that gives the country a say."

It is bizarre that democratic systems haven't yet accommodated modern communication capabilities.

Except the idea of knowing what the general population are really thinking at a given time is probably as scary as it gets for a politician.

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By *eachcplCouple
over a year ago

blackpool/preston/normandy france

Truss was voted in by a minimal number of tory voters and was not voted for by the country in general. She does not have a public mandate to run the country. If she is so sure she is doing the right things she should call a general election and if she wins it would give her 5 years to deal with things, but she won't call an election because she knows she will lose badly.

Despite her years in politics she has shown no leadership qualities and her apalling decision making is made worse by surrounding herself with a cabinet with even worse credentials.

This government is living on borrowed time before it implodes

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Any change in PM should always trigger an election.

Why?

To ensure the person leading the country has a genuine mandate from the electorate.

To prevent the shit show of a carousel we've had in recent times.

I'm not sure a GE would be the answer, the party in charge as already been elected.

I do think they could do something with the last 2 candidates, a modern digital voting system that gives the country a say.

It is bizarre that democratic systems haven't yet accommodated modern communication capabilities.

Except the idea of knowing what the general population are really thinking at a given time is probably as scary as it gets for a politician.

Could you imagine the public being heard! The public steering policy direction in real time.

Done properly it could be an amazing democratic leap, done poorly it could be the biggest car crash in history.

We had better leave it as an idea for now