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By *asyuk OP   Man
over a year ago

West London

Alex Jones told to pay $965m damages to Sandy Hook victims' families

"Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones has been ordered to pay $965m (£869m) in damages after falsely claiming the 2012 Sandy Hook school shooting was a hoax."

Is this a miscarriage of justice? Has an "innocent" man been convicted? Were people's children not really murdered or is he a liar maliciously victimising people in grief in order to make money?

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

I don't know the answer but whatever it is nobody really wins.

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By *asyuk OP   Man
over a year ago

West London


"I don't know the answer but whatever it is nobody really wins.

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I don't think that it is your attention, but that reads as if you think that Alex Jones should be free to have acted how he did.

Surely society wins by making it clear that this isn't okay.

Is he being convicted of this behaviour unfortunate in some way?

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"I don't know the answer but whatever it is nobody really wins.

I don't think that it is your attention, but that reads as if you think that Alex Jones should be free to have acted how he did.

Surely society wins by making it clear that this isn't okay.

Is he being convicted of this behaviour unfortunate in some way?"

No it wasn't my intention.

The whole thing is beyond distasteful.

I don't think society has won. Loads of us are happy he's been convicted for sure but I'm not convinced that anyone who believed it was a hoax thinks any differently now. I hope he shuts the fuck up.

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By *asyuk OP   Man
over a year ago

West London


"I don't know the answer but whatever it is nobody really wins.

I don't think that it is your attention, but that reads as if you think that Alex Jones should be free to have acted how he did.

Surely society wins by making it clear that this isn't okay.

Is he being convicted of this behaviour unfortunate in some way?

No it wasn't my intention.

The whole thing is beyond distasteful.

I don't think society has won. Loads of us are happy he's been convicted for sure but I'm not convinced that anyone who believed it was a hoax thinks any differently now. I hope he shuts the fuck up. "

You don't think that there being consequences for telling such repeated lies is positive? That there are some limits to "free speech"?

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"I don't know the answer but whatever it is nobody really wins.

I don't think that it is your attention, but that reads as if you think that Alex Jones should be free to have acted how he did.

Surely society wins by making it clear that this isn't okay.

Is he being convicted of this behaviour unfortunate in some way?

No it wasn't my intention.

The whole thing is beyond distasteful.

I don't think society has won. Loads of us are happy he's been convicted for sure but I'm not convinced that anyone who believed it was a hoax thinks any differently now. I hope he shuts the fuck up.

You don't think that there being consequences for telling such repeated lies is positive? That there are some limits to "free speech"?"

I do think the outcome is positive.

Do you think it will prevent such things happening in future?

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By *asyuk OP   Man
over a year ago

West London


"I don't know the answer but whatever it is nobody really wins.

I don't think that it is your attention, but that reads as if you think that Alex Jones should be free to have acted how he did.

Surely society wins by making it clear that this isn't okay.

Is he being convicted of this behaviour unfortunate in some way?

No it wasn't my intention.

The whole thing is beyond distasteful.

I don't think society has won. Loads of us are happy he's been convicted for sure but I'm not convinced that anyone who believed it was a hoax thinks any differently now. I hope he shuts the fuck up.

You don't think that there being consequences for telling such repeated lies is positive? That there are some limits to "free speech"?

I do think the outcome is positive.

Do you think it will prevent such things happening in future?"

Perhaps. It's a start.

His supporters wouldn't exist if he had paused to consider the financial consequences. The moral and emotional outcomes clearly didn't bother him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't know the answer but whatever it is nobody really wins.

I don't think that it is your attention, but that reads as if you think that Alex Jones should be free to have acted how he did.

Surely society wins by making it clear that this isn't okay.

Is he being convicted of this behaviour unfortunate in some way?

No it wasn't my intention.

The whole thing is beyond distasteful.

I don't think society has won. Loads of us are happy he's been convicted for sure but I'm not convinced that anyone who believed it was a hoax thinks any differently now. I hope he shuts the fuck up.

You don't think that there being consequences for telling such repeated lies is positive? That there are some limits to "free speech"?

I do think the outcome is positive.

Do you think it will prevent such things happening in future?"

Yes, these people are grifters, it’s all about making money

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It would have been better to simply disprove his statements from the get-go.

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By *asyuk OP   Man
over a year ago

West London


"It would have been better to simply disprove his statements from the get-go."

Someone has to "disprove" that their child has been murdered?

The event happening on live TV wasn't enough? The survivors and parents describing it wasn't enough?

How should it have been "disproved"? It took several years and court cases costing millions to do just that.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

That's the USA for you. Batshit crazy in many ways!

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

The problem is he will find someway to hid the money… declare himself bankrupt..again… and just continue making money and spouting his views

And the parents will never see a penny….

Yes.. there should be some consequences for deliberately defaming people… such high amounts isn’t it…. It has to be high enough where someone could actually pay it

1 billion dollars isn’t it

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol


"It would have been better to simply disprove his statements from the get-go."

It was but once the crazies get the bit between their teeth there no stopping them.

Some in the USA and I dare say here as well are so convinced there are conspiracies around every corner it will not be the last time something like throat happens.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Media will frame events in a certain way and tends to edit or cut parts it thinks it may get in legal hot water over if it showed them. You cannot rely on media footage to show how events really happened. Take the Kyle Rittenhouse trial, and how it was framed in media as an example.

Alex Jones referred to the parents of the kids as 'crisis actors'. Its very easy to prove they weren't actors, but you don't do so by parroting the media. When someone makes a stupid claim you counter it with facts, you don't shout them down with rhetoric.

In this case it would just be a simple matter of pointing him to the local government records office where deaths are recorded. They can search records to find out if a person was recorded as deceased or not, and it will also show the exact date when they died.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Media will frame events in a certain way and tends to edit or cut parts it thinks it may get in legal hot water over if it showed them. You cannot rely on media footage to show how events really happened. Take the Kyle Rittenhouse trial, and how it was framed in media as an example.

Alex Jones referred to the parents of the kids as 'crisis actors'. Its very easy to prove they weren't actors, but you don't do so by parroting the media. When someone makes a stupid claim you counter it with facts, you don't shout them down with rhetoric.

In this case it would just be a simple matter of pointing him to the local government records office where deaths are recorded. They can search records to find out if a person was recorded as deceased or not, and it will also show the exact date when they died."

Who is they, you say " can search government records".

If its Jones supporters, they definitely aren't going to. His base is people who don't actually trust government or main stream media. They actively search for people like Jones to tell them how corrupt government and MSM is.

Jones won't do it, because he makes so much money from these people. He doesn't need to go and search, because he doesn't want to present anything to counter his gospel.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"It would have been better to simply disprove his statements from the get-go."

Nah, that's not how it works.

Jones and people like him make money because there is an audience who laps this stuff up, and it doesn't matter to them at all if the facts disprove what they're being fed.

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol


"It would have been better to simply disprove his statements from the get-go.

Nah, that's not how it works.

Jones and people like him make money because there is an audience who laps this stuff up, and it doesn't matter to them at all if the facts disprove what they're being fed. "

Also he makes an absolute mint selling survival stuff to the insecure

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By *ustintime69Man
over a year ago

london

It’s the bizarrest thing to think that in a nation where wearing a gun is normal that nobody has chosen to take him out of the picture! I wonder if his conspiracy addicted loons ever wonder why? Perhaps it’s because a lot of good people believe in the rule of law despite this horrible shitbag getting away with his lies by bankrupting himself.

I suspect they could have saved themselves a lot of lawyers fees if they had found a way to neutralise him sooner. Maybe the hosts of his online presence should be paying his fine as they actively enable scum like him.

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By *asyuk OP   Man
over a year ago

West London


"Media will frame events in a certain way and tends to edit or cut parts it thinks it may get in legal hot water over if it showed them. You cannot rely on media footage to show how events really happened. Take the Kyle Rittenhouse trial, and how it was framed in media as an example.

Alex Jones referred to the parents of the kids as 'crisis actors'. Its very easy to prove they weren't actors, but you don't do so by parroting the media. When someone makes a stupid claim you counter it with facts, you don't shout them down with rhetoric.

In this case it would just be a simple matter of pointing him to the local government records office where deaths are recorded. They can search records to find out if a person was recorded as deceased or not, and it will also show the exact date when they died."

Really? Did facts work for COVID? Did they work for the legality of the US Presidential election?

Why do you think that it's that simple? Why has the word "disinformation" come into existence?

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By *he National ThrustMan
over a year ago

Pasty Land briefly

My take is that any online attention for Jones in his heyday, including any attempt at reasoned debate was absolutely a pile of gold for him.

Interaction drives revenue, so the more batshit the claims, the happier these bods are. The only problem is that they can never step back to a place of stuffy conventional debate.

The cash cow leaves if your fanbase isn't getting the adrenaline kick any more and if your detractors move on elsewhere.

I've no sympathy for him, he was driving the whirlwind of contraryism and combative online behaviour. And raking in millions daily off the back of it.

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By *illi3736Woman
over a year ago

Glasgow

He is a nasty piece of work who hounded people whose lives had been destroyed and then he rubbed their grief stricken faces in their childs murder. All to make more money from equally degenerate people with few morals and even less intelligence

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields


"Media will frame events in a certain way and tends to edit or cut parts it thinks it may get in legal hot water over if it showed them. You cannot rely on media footage to show how events really happened. Take the Kyle Rittenhouse trial, and how it was framed in media as an example.

Alex Jones referred to the parents of the kids as 'crisis actors'. Its very easy to prove they weren't actors, but you don't do so by parroting the media. When someone makes a stupid claim you counter it with facts, you don't shout them down with rhetoric.

In this case it would just be a simple matter of pointing him to the local government records office where deaths are recorded. They can search records to find out if a person was recorded as deceased or not, and it will also show the exact date when they died."

Sadly, we've moved beyond facts being a baseline. We're in the world of everyone having an equal opinion.

Just look at how many people don't understand climate change, voted for brexit (and still think it was a good idea), voted for Trump (and still think he cared about anyone but himself). Etc etc.

Facts are basically meaningless now. Catchphrases and headlines are all that matter.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Well exactly,case in point covid and the vaccine.

Despite all the scientific evidence mountains of the stuff, people did and still do claim it was all fake.

Maybe someone who lost a family member should take a conspiracy theorist to court.

I hope this case makes people think twice before opening their mouths and spouting nonsense,oh wait our government are just as guilty.

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol

Some people still really believe the earth is flat and the whole globe thing is a conspiracy

Also the moon landing never happened according to some

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields


"Well exactly,case in point covid and the vaccine.

Despite all the scientific evidence mountains of the stuff, people did and still do claim it was all fake.

Maybe someone who lost a family member should take a conspiracy theorist to court.

I hope this case makes people think twice before opening their mouths and spouting nonsense,oh wait our government are just as guilty."

Exactly.

There's plenty of people who died of covid because they chose to believe some conspiracy nut job instead of actual scientists.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields


"Some people still really believe the earth is flat and the whole globe thing is a conspiracy

Also the moon landing never happened according to some

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And the Tories care about British citizens.

People will believe anything these days. Lol.

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By *uddy laneMan
over a year ago

dudley


"Some people still really believe the earth is flat and the whole globe thing is a conspiracy

Also the moon landing never happened according to some

And the Tories care about British citizens.

People will believe anything these days. Lol."

Walter henry wolfie smith of the tooting popular front was saying this year's ago.

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