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"She'll just keep whinging till she gets her own way. " I don't believe the Scots will vote for it. I won't and neither will anyone I know but either way, it's a democratic decision | |||
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"If she detests the Tories, that's her opinion. Not sure it's acceptable in the world of political debate but it seems it is. My point is this: if the. Scots vote for independence, I have no issues with it. As a Scot living in England, I'd vote against it but I'm not going to lose friends over a difference of opinion" Did she say something about the Tories there recently? | |||
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"If she detests the Tories, that's her opinion. Not sure it's acceptable in the world of political debate but it seems it is. My point is this: if the. Scots vote for independence, I have no issues with it. As a Scot living in England, I'd vote against it but I'm not going to lose friends over a difference of opinion" It was a opinion of Tory policy etc rather than individuals. Truss' comment about Sturgeon and her lack of contact certainly isn't acceptable. Typical Tories though, think that they can navigate the post-brexit world successfully and insult the other leaders along the way... | |||
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"She'll just keep whinging till she gets her own way. "  but replace “whinging ” with “lying”
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"If she detests the Tories, that's her opinion. Not sure it's acceptable in the world of political debate but it seems it is. My point is this: if the. Scots vote for independence, I have no issues with it. As a Scot living in England, I'd vote against it but I'm not going to lose friends over a difference of opinion Did she say something about the Tories there recently?" She said she detests Tories and all they stand for i believe | |||
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"If she detests the Tories, that's her opinion. Not sure it's acceptable in the world of political debate but it seems it is. My point is this: if the. Scots vote for independence, I have no issues with it. As a Scot living in England, I'd vote against it but I'm not going to lose friends over a difference of opinion Did she say something about the Tories there recently? She said she detests Tories and all they stand for i believe " Ah found it "I detest the Tories and everything they stand for" Can't argue with her on that. | |||
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"If she detests the Tories, that's her opinion. Not sure it's acceptable in the world of political debate but it seems it is. My point is this: if the. Scots vote for independence, I have no issues with it. As a Scot living in England, I'd vote against it but I'm not going to lose friends over a difference of opinion Did she say something about the Tories there recently? She said she detests Tories and all they stand for i believe Ah found it "I detest the Tories and everything they stand for" Can't argue with her on that." Metoo | |||
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"If she detests the Tories, that's her opinion. Not sure it's acceptable in the world of political debate but it seems it is. My point is this: if the. Scots vote for independence, I have no issues with it. As a Scot living in England, I'd vote against it but I'm not going to lose friends over a difference of opinion Did she say something about the Tories there recently? She said she detests Tories and all they stand for i believe Ah found it "I detest the Tories and everything they stand for" Can't argue with her on that." Metoo | |||
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"She'll just keep whinging till she gets her own way. but replace “whinging ” with “lying”
"What lies ? | |||
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"She'll just keep whinging till she gets her own way. but replace “whinging ” with “lying”
What lies ?"There was i thinking the tories had a monopoly on lies. But maybe its contagious. | |||
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"She'll just keep whinging till she gets her own way. but replace “whinging ” with “lying”
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"Who names a fish Nicholas  "r lass is nickerless | |||
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"So the snp are in the Supreme Court regarding the new referendum. Does anyone actually think she would respect the decision if it comes back as a no ? "Why should she | |||
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"So the snp are in the Supreme Court regarding the new referendum. Does anyone actually think she would respect the decision if it comes back as a no ?
Why should she"The law of the land perhaps? | |||
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"So the snp are in the Supreme Court regarding the new referendum. Does anyone actually think she would respect the decision if it comes back as a no ?
Why should she"Because she said she would respect the outcome ? Then again there’s not time limit set so I could take 10 years  | |||
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Sturgeon says it’s 52% for yes
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"Just reading a poll done by statistica says 51% would not vote for independence
Sturgeon says it’s 52% for yes
Who are we to believe?
"Let’s have a referendum and find out | |||
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"Just reading a poll done by statistica says 51% would not vote for independence
Sturgeon says it’s 52% for yes
Who are we to believe?
Let’s have a referendum and find out "Do you believe a referendum would be a good thing for Scotland if those figures are correct and so close? | |||
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"Just reading a poll done by statistica says 51% would not vote for independence
Sturgeon says it’s 52% for yes
Who are we to believe?
Let’s have a referendum and find out "I’m all for it then maybe sturgeon and the SNP will finally shut up
But probably not | |||
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"Just reading a poll done by statistica says 51% would not vote for independence
Sturgeon says it’s 52% for yes
Who are we to believe?
Let’s have a referendum and find out
I’m all for it then maybe sturgeon and the SNP will finally shut up
But probably not "Is silencing voices of dissent important to you? | |||
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"Not accepting the people made their choice and knowing another referendum will stir up divides, simply to have another go, sums her up." | |||
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"Just reading a poll done by statistica says 51% would not vote for independence
Sturgeon says it’s 52% for yes
"She's mad if she's angling for a referendum with such a slim lead. That sort of margin could easily disappear overnight with one wrong word from someone in an interview. If I were her I'd keep my mouth shut and wait till the polls say at least 60% for. | |||
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"Just reading a poll done by statistica says 51% would not vote for independence
Sturgeon says it’s 52% for yes
She's mad if she's angling for a referendum with such a slim lead. That sort of margin could easily disappear overnight with one wrong word from someone in an interview.
If I were her I'd keep my mouth shut and wait till the polls say at least 60% for."The Scottish Nationalist ScotGov are not so good with numbers … | |||
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"Just reading a poll done by statistica says 51% would not vote for independence
Sturgeon says it’s 52% for yes
Who are we to believe?
Let’s have a referendum and find out
Do you believe a referendum would be a good thing for Scotland if those figures are correct and so close?"We had a referendum on Brexit when the figures were no where near as close | |||
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"So the snp are in the Supreme Court regarding the new referendum. Does anyone actually think she would respect the decision if it comes back as a no ? "As I understand it if the decision in court does not go her way she intends to make the next GE about independence. I'm not sure how that works if the majority vote as she wishes as it still is not legal. It highlights the issue but I think Westminster can still just ignore her. | |||
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"She'll just keep whinging till she gets her own way. " and if she don't get it this time, she will start saying "best of 5"?? | |||
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"Just reading a poll done by statistica says 51% would not vote for independence
Sturgeon says it’s 52% for yes
Who are we to believe?
Let’s have a referendum and find out
Do you believe a referendum would be a good thing for Scotland if those figures are correct and so close?
We had a referendum on Brexit when the figures were no where near as close "how did that workout in the harmony stakes  | |||
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"Just reading a poll done by statistica says 51% would not vote for independence
Sturgeon says it’s 52% for yes
Who are we to believe?
Let’s have a referendum and find out
I’m all for it then maybe sturgeon and the SNP will finally shut up
But probably not
Is silencing voices of dissent important to you?"No just gets on me wick | |||
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"So the snp are in the Supreme Court regarding the new referendum. Does anyone actually think she would respect the decision if it comes back as a no ?
As I understand it if the decision in court does not go her way she intends to make the next GE about independence. I'm not sure how that works if the majority vote as she wishes as it still is not legal. It highlights the issue but I think Westminster can still just ignore her. "It’s the only thing she stands for | |||
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"So the snp are in the Supreme Court regarding the new referendum. Does anyone actually think she would respect the decision if it comes back as a no ?
As I understand it if the decision in court does not go her way she intends to make the next GE about independence. I'm not sure how that works if the majority vote as she wishes as it still is not legal. It highlights the issue but I think Westminster can still just ignore her.
It’s the only thing she stands for "It's the only thing she wants; irrespective of the pain and disruption it will inflict on the people and economy of Scotland. The only winner will be the egos of Sturgeon and her cohort. | |||
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"It’s not just the SNP or Sturgeon If a combination of SNP, Alba, Greens and Scottish Socialists beat the 50% at the next GE which is very likely then she will get her referendum" Yes she did say the snp plus others that want a referendum gaining 50% or more but not sure how that gets another referendum if Westminster continue to say no | |||
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"So the snp are in the Supreme Court regarding the new referendum. Does anyone actually think she would respect the decision if it comes back as a no ?
As I understand it if the decision in court does not go her way she intends to make the next GE about independence. I'm not sure how that works if the majority vote as she wishes as it still is not legal. It highlights the issue but I think Westminster can still just ignore her. "Yes ignore her. Ultimately she is nothing more than a regional administrator. | |||
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"So the snp are in the Supreme Court regarding the new referendum. Does anyone actually think she would respect the decision if it comes back as a no ?
As I understand it if the decision in court does not go her way she intends to make the next GE about independence. I'm not sure how that works if the majority vote as she wishes as it still is not legal. It highlights the issue but I think Westminster can still just ignore her.
It’s the only thing she stands for
It's the only thing she wants; irrespective of the pain and disruption it will inflict on the people and economy of Scotland. The only winner will be the egos of Sturgeon and her cohort. "Yup ther will be even more devision in scotland not less famillies falling out ect | |||
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"Discussion this morning with a cousin from across the water that where Scotland vote at the ballot box to no avail In Ulster the IRA voted with bombs and Kalashnikov and they could very well end up with Independence long before Scotland " Your views towards your opposition seem to fit in nicely with your last few posts. "blinded not by politics but by religion and tainted history" | |||
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"I’m blinded by nothing mate Ex military who fought for his country and is now so sickened with the politics that like the rest of the former Empire maybe just maybe Scotland would be better managing herself " How? | |||
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"Just reading a poll done by statistica says 51% would not vote for independence
Sturgeon says it’s 52% for yes
Who are we to believe?
Let’s have a referendum and find out
Do you believe a referendum would be a good thing for Scotland if those figures are correct and so close?
We had a referendum on Brexit when the figures were no where near as close
how did that workout in the harmony stakes "Badly, are you suggesting we shouldn’t have had the Brexit referendum? | |||
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"Just reading a poll done by statistica says 51% would not vote for independence
Sturgeon says it’s 52% for yes
Who are we to believe?
Let’s have a referendum and find out
Do you believe a referendum would be a good thing for Scotland if those figures are correct and so close?
We had a referendum on Brexit when the figures were no where near as close
how did that workout in the harmony stakes
Badly, are you suggesting we shouldn’t have had the Brexit referendum?"Yep, that is exactly what I am saying. Holding a referendum on in or out of the EU was a politically motivated plan. Leaving the EU was of no real interest to the vast majority the British public until it started getting pushed as an answer to UKIP popularity. I don't need to go into the mess that followed as it is well documented | |||
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"Take this Forum just for an instance How many threads in here are anti Tory or anti Truss. The rest of the UK is sick of how this government is going from one disaster to another. Economy is in disarray, pound is crashing, in fighting within the ruling party etc etc etc It’s the same old rhetoric we in Scotland have argued against for decades. We need either a General Election or Scotland has to break away " The above problems wont go away they will happen again and again, whoever is in power. What I would like to know is how Scotland will drive a viable economy, prosper and develop. How will Scotland evolve, the thought of joining the EU is fraught with issues for borders and trade. I would like to understand the plan. | |||
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"For a kick off, being able to manage our own money. Scotland does not have 100% control of our own income. EVERY penny we produce goes south, at present the UK Government decides to cut back on public expenditure. This reflects on whatever handout Scotland receives from Barnett Biggest complaint many have up here is how the SNP is handling public spending. Given 100% fiscal control would allow the Scottish Government the leeway to do just that How can our public services survive when EU staff have gone home and locals won’t work for minimum wage. We are being crippled just now with strikes for a better wage. As long as Truss or whoever cuts what we receive from central then Scotland cannot sustain its current lifeline We receive less than one fifth of what we put into the economy. An independent Scotland would not only survive but prosper without being shackled to a neighbour we no longer trust or voted for UK voted to leave EU for what we were told was similar reasons. We in Scotland voted to remain within EU as we depended considerably from the leg up that extra leg up that was missing from our annual scraps from Barnett This is just for starters, there are screeds of economical and political reasons we need to divorce from Westminster " I can hear you are not happy, but what are the solutions for Scotland, is it only go alone? From gov.scot: In 2020-21, Scotland (including a geographical share of North Sea revenue) raised £62.8 billion in 2020-21, compared to £99.2 billion of public spending for Scotland. How is this being balanced out? Also, where does this idea of not being tied to Westminster stop? Northumberland, Cornwall, Norfolk? | |||
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"Just reading a poll done by statistica says 51% would not vote for independence
Sturgeon says it’s 52% for yes
Who are we to believe?
Let’s have a referendum and find out
Do you believe a referendum would be a good thing for Scotland if those figures are correct and so close?
We had a referendum on Brexit when the figures were no where near as close
how did that workout in the harmony stakes
Badly, are you suggesting we shouldn’t have had the Brexit referendum?
Yep, that is exactly what I am saying.
Holding a referendum on in or out of the EU was a politically motivated plan. Leaving the EU was of no real interest to the vast majority the British public until it started getting pushed as an answer to UKIP popularity.
I don't need to go into the mess that followed as it is well documented
"I agree with you there, but it was the ‘will of the people’ , apparently | |||
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"For a kick off, being able to manage our own money. Scotland does not have 100% control of our own income. EVERY penny we produce goes south, at present the UK Government decides to cut back on public expenditure. This reflects on whatever handout Scotland receives from Barnett Biggest complaint many have up here is how the SNP is handling public spending. Given 100% fiscal control would allow the Scottish Government the leeway to do just that How can our public services survive when EU staff have gone home and locals won’t work for minimum wage. We are being crippled just now with strikes for a better wage. As long as Truss or whoever cuts what we receive from central then Scotland cannot sustain its current lifeline We receive less than one fifth of what we put into the economy. An independent Scotland would not only survive but prosper without being shackled to a neighbour we no longer trust or voted for UK voted to leave EU for what we were told was similar reasons. We in Scotland voted to remain within EU as we depended considerably from the leg up that extra leg up that was missing from our annual scraps from Barnett This is just for starters, there are screeds of economical and political reasons we need to divorce from Westminster I can hear you are not happy, but what are the solutions for Scotland, is it only go alone? From gov.scot: In 2020-21, Scotland (including a geographical share of North Sea revenue) raised £62.8 billion in 2020-21, compared to £99.2 billion of public spending for Scotland. How is this being balanced out? Also, where does this idea of not being tied to Westminster stop? Northumberland, Cornwall, Norfolk?" If parts of scotland vote to remainin UK should they be allowed to & not be part of an Independent scotland. It will be their will & Democratic right as we are constantly told. | |||
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"For a kick off, being able to manage our own money. Scotland does not have 100% control of our own income. EVERY penny we produce goes south, at present the UK Government decides to cut back on public expenditure. This reflects on whatever handout Scotland receives from Barnett Biggest complaint many have up here is how the SNP is handling public spending. Given 100% fiscal control would allow the Scottish Government the leeway to do just that How can our public services survive when EU staff have gone home and locals won’t work for minimum wage. We are being crippled just now with strikes for a better wage. As long as Truss or whoever cuts what we receive from central then Scotland cannot sustain its current lifeline We receive less than one fifth of what we put into the economy. An independent Scotland would not only survive but prosper without being shackled to a neighbour we no longer trust or voted for UK voted to leave EU for what we were told was similar reasons. We in Scotland voted to remain within EU as we depended considerably from the leg up that extra leg up that was missing from our annual scraps from Barnett This is just for starters, there are screeds of economical and political reasons we need to divorce from Westminster " I get why people want a second referendum given the fact about being told last time they would still be in the EU if they voted to remain part of the UK. Ideally the current court case will grant them the right so it's legal. If they have to go for the back up plan of a de facto referendum at the next GE I can see Westminster just saying its not a legal referendum therefore no change. As for the currency which often comes up, Scotland seems to want to use the pound for a while. This of course means they will not have fiscal control and have to accept whatever the BOE and Westminster wants to do. | |||
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"So the snp are in the Supreme Court regarding the new referendum. Does anyone actually think she would respect the decision if it comes back as a no ?
Why should she
The law of the land perhaps?
"Most courts have an appeal system so thats what she should do,but i see it going to the un as all countries have the right to self determination | |||
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"Ms sturgeon needs to get her right hand looked at it raises and stops at a 45° angle. "Knob | |||
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"British media frame Sturgeon as an idiot. We went to Scotland recently, it is far nicer than England. A huge element of that was the fact it felt less over populated, with only 5 to 6 million folk there. We didnt notice any major issues and felt safe when we went to Edinburgh, though British media would make you think it's horrible up there." I disagree that the media make Scotland look horrible, in fact the opposite. It often portrays the beauty of Scotland. It has its problems, Glasgow and drugs for example but that is a fact as is the fact that Edinburgh is a wealthy city and the highlands of Scotland have some of the most stunning landscapes on earth. Sturgeon, on the other hand is excellent at projecting her own image, you take from that what you want. | |||
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"Ms sturgeon needs to get her right hand looked at it raises and stops at a 45° angle." You mean, just like your right arm does on your profile photo? | |||
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"I was recently talking to an old friend, who now lives on Shetland. He's of the opinion that Shetland and the Orkneys are dead against independence. They have never returned an SNP MP, and the SNP struggle to increase vote share. Should Ms Sturgeon eventually get her way, then they would ask for their own referendum, favouring an Isle of Man style of governance. I'm assuming that Ms Sturgeon would allow this, as it would be "the will of the people". " Dont see a problem with that | |||
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