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"Always best to let the relevant authorities to do their investigations, before jumping to any conclusion. Never ever any winners in incidents like this." Agreed. | |||
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"Always best to let the relevant authorities to do their investigations, before jumping to any conclusion. Never ever any winners in incidents like this." Very true, but unfortunately it doesn't stop people and organisations trying to take a win out of a tragedy. I can see us getting to the same place as the US in releasing body cam footage to the public very quickly to settle tensions built up by assumption and bad actors. | |||
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"Always best to let the relevant authorities to do their investigations, before jumping to any conclusion. Never ever any winners in incidents like this. Very true, but unfortunately it doesn't stop people and organisations trying to take a win out of a tragedy. I can see us getting to the same place as the US in releasing body cam footage to the public very quickly to settle tensions built up by assumption and bad actors. " I think camera footage should be widespread and released quickly Truth must come out and cone out quick, whether it shows the police's actions to be justified or not | |||
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"So, being only vaguely aware of the case, does the footage show the shooting to be justified?" police still seem to have shot an unarmed man & failed to properly stop a dangerously driven car | |||
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"So, being only vaguely aware of the case, does the footage show the shooting to be justified? police still seem to have shot an unarmed man & failed to properly stop a dangerously driven car " what are you saying, leading with "seem" makes me feel you haven't got any facts. Happy to be corrected if you have more information. | |||
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"So, being only vaguely aware of the case, does the footage show the shooting to be justified? police still seem to have shot an unarmed man & failed to properly stop a dangerously driven car " Having looked into it they shot a man who was attempting to run over an officer, using his own vehicle as a weapon Now, I distrust police, but this app looks above board on the face of it He fucked around and found out Fuck him | |||
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"Where did all the people saying it was clearly a racially motivated attack gone? Suddenly very quiet. How weird " Yes, strange that  | |||
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"Where did all the people saying it was clearly a racially motivated attack gone? Suddenly very quiet. How weird " It's a go job they have these body cams so the actual events can be seen. Without such items this could have sparked unrest. Are these latest events being widely reported, I have not seen any but also not really looked for it. | |||
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"Always best to let the relevant authorities to do their investigations, before jumping to any conclusion. Never ever any winners in incidents like this. Very true, but unfortunately it doesn't stop people and organisations trying to take a win out of a tragedy. I can see us getting to the same place as the US in releasing body cam footage to the public very quickly to settle tensions built up by assumption and bad actors. " I don't think we'll be the same as the US. We won't need to be releasing footage quickly to the public, because the frequency of these events is nowhere near theirs. Our population aren't armed, the police generally aren't armed and don't execute black people for robbing $20. I genuinely don't think we're heading towards a US model for this stuff. | |||
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"Always best to let the relevant authorities to do their investigations, before jumping to any conclusion. Never ever any winners in incidents like this. Very true, but unfortunately it doesn't stop people and organisations trying to take a win out of a tragedy. I can see us getting to the same place as the US in releasing body cam footage to the public very quickly to settle tensions built up by assumption and bad actors. I don't think we'll be the same as the US. We won't need to be releasing footage quickly to the public, because the frequency of these events is nowhere near theirs. Our population aren't armed, the police generally aren't armed and don't execute black people for robbing $20. I genuinely don't think we're heading towards a US model for this stuff. " There are people in this country wanting and waiting for an incident similar to Floyd. This incident got people marching, protesting and that could have easily turned to unrest. I think incidents and accusations of police brutality will increase. | |||
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"Always best to let the relevant authorities to do their investigations, before jumping to any conclusion. Never ever any winners in incidents like this. Very true, but unfortunately it doesn't stop people and organisations trying to take a win out of a tragedy. I can see us getting to the same place as the US in releasing body cam footage to the public very quickly to settle tensions built up by assumption and bad actors. I don't think we'll be the same as the US. We won't need to be releasing footage quickly to the public, because the frequency of these events is nowhere near theirs. Our population aren't armed, the police generally aren't armed and don't execute black people for robbing $20. I genuinely don't think we're heading towards a US model for this stuff. There are people in this country wanting and waiting for an incident similar to Floyd. This incident got people marching, protesting and that could have easily turned to unrest. I think incidents and accusations of police brutality will increase. " I don't believe anyone is actively wanting these things to happen. That's a very cynical view. I honestly don't know how much of a problem racism is within the British police. But it can't be anything like it is in the states, can it? Doesn't seem so. | |||
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"Always best to let the relevant authorities to do their investigations, before jumping to any conclusion. Never ever any winners in incidents like this. Very true, but unfortunately it doesn't stop people and organisations trying to take a win out of a tragedy. I can see us getting to the same place as the US in releasing body cam footage to the public very quickly to settle tensions built up by assumption and bad actors. I don't think we'll be the same as the US. We won't need to be releasing footage quickly to the public, because the frequency of these events is nowhere near theirs. Our population aren't armed, the police generally aren't armed and don't execute black people for robbing $20. I genuinely don't think we're heading towards a US model for this stuff. There are people in this country wanting and waiting for an incident similar to Floyd. This incident got people marching, protesting and that could have easily turned to unrest. I think incidents and accusations of police brutality will increase. I don't believe anyone is actively wanting these things to happen. That's a very cynical view. I honestly don't know how much of a problem racism is within the British police. But it can't be anything like it is in the states, can it? Doesn't seem so." You would need to ask someone who is on the receiving end about that. | |||
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"Always best to let the relevant authorities to do their investigations, before jumping to any conclusion. Never ever any winners in incidents like this. Very true, but unfortunately it doesn't stop people and organisations trying to take a win out of a tragedy. I can see us getting to the same place as the US in releasing body cam footage to the public very quickly to settle tensions built up by assumption and bad actors. I don't think we'll be the same as the US. We won't need to be releasing footage quickly to the public, because the frequency of these events is nowhere near theirs. Our population aren't armed, the police generally aren't armed and don't execute black people for robbing $20. I genuinely don't think we're heading towards a US model for this stuff. There are people in this country wanting and waiting for an incident similar to Floyd. This incident got people marching, protesting and that could have easily turned to unrest. I think incidents and accusations of police brutality will increase. I don't believe anyone is actively wanting these things to happen. That's a very cynical view. I honestly don't know how much of a problem racism is within the British police. But it can't be anything like it is in the states, can it? Doesn't seem so. You would need to ask someone who is on the receiving end about that." Why, would being on the recieving end give them access to statistics that the rest of us don't have? | |||
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"Always best to let the relevant authorities to do their investigations, before jumping to any conclusion. Never ever any winners in incidents like this. Very true, but unfortunately it doesn't stop people and organisations trying to take a win out of a tragedy. I can see us getting to the same place as the US in releasing body cam footage to the public very quickly to settle tensions built up by assumption and bad actors. I don't think we'll be the same as the US. We won't need to be releasing footage quickly to the public, because the frequency of these events is nowhere near theirs. Our population aren't armed, the police generally aren't armed and don't execute black people for robbing $20. I genuinely don't think we're heading towards a US model for this stuff. There are people in this country wanting and waiting for an incident similar to Floyd. This incident got people marching, protesting and that could have easily turned to unrest. I think incidents and accusations of police brutality will increase. I don't believe anyone is actively wanting these things to happen. That's a very cynical view. I honestly don't know how much of a problem racism is within the British police. But it can't be anything like it is in the states, can it? Doesn't seem so." It isn't always about racism......! When the police are doing their job, they are dealing with all types of people, some dangerous and wishing to either escape or do them harm. Accidents will happen and do when dealing with these types, and the body cam footage will become more and more of a tool to defuse the hatred stirred up by those wishing to cause unrest, whilst also keeping the police accountable for their actions, like in this case. | |||
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"Always best to let the relevant authorities to do their investigations, before jumping to any conclusion. Never ever any winners in incidents like this. Very true, but unfortunately it doesn't stop people and organisations trying to take a win out of a tragedy. I can see us getting to the same place as the US in releasing body cam footage to the public very quickly to settle tensions built up by assumption and bad actors. I don't think we'll be the same as the US. We won't need to be releasing footage quickly to the public, because the frequency of these events is nowhere near theirs. Our population aren't armed, the police generally aren't armed and don't execute black people for robbing $20. I genuinely don't think we're heading towards a US model for this stuff. There are people in this country wanting and waiting for an incident similar to Floyd. This incident got people marching, protesting and that could have easily turned to unrest. I think incidents and accusations of police brutality will increase. I don't believe anyone is actively wanting these things to happen. That's a very cynical view. I honestly don't know how much of a problem racism is within the British police. But it can't be anything like it is in the states, can it? Doesn't seem so. It isn't always about racism......! When the police are doing their job, they are dealing with all types of people, some dangerous and wishing to either escape or do them harm. Accidents will happen and do when dealing with these types, and the body cam footage will become more and more of a tool to defuse the hatred stirred up by those wishing to cause unrest, whilst also keeping the police accountable for their actions, like in this case." Some People want to see a version of the US in the UK The people that instantly drummed up that this was a racially motivated killing should see legal action in my opinion. You cant scream fire in a crowded theatre, and you shouldn’t be able to rule up racial issues in an attempt to cause rioting without consequences either. | |||
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"Always best to let the relevant authorities to do their investigations, before jumping to any conclusion. Never ever any winners in incidents like this. Very true, but unfortunately it doesn't stop people and organisations trying to take a win out of a tragedy. I can see us getting to the same place as the US in releasing body cam footage to the public very quickly to settle tensions built up by assumption and bad actors. I don't think we'll be the same as the US. We won't need to be releasing footage quickly to the public, because the frequency of these events is nowhere near theirs. Our population aren't armed, the police generally aren't armed and don't execute black people for robbing $20. I genuinely don't think we're heading towards a US model for this stuff. There are people in this country wanting and waiting for an incident similar to Floyd. This incident got people marching, protesting and that could have easily turned to unrest. I think incidents and accusations of police brutality will increase. I don't believe anyone is actively wanting these things to happen. That's a very cynical view. I honestly don't know how much of a problem racism is within the British police. But it can't be anything like it is in the states, can it? Doesn't seem so. You would need to ask someone who is on the receiving end about that. Why, would being on the recieving end give them access to statistics that the rest of us don't have?" I didn't think you had provided any. | |||
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"I don't believe anyone is actively wanting these things to happen. That's a very cynical view." Of course they are. Incidents like this are a golden opportunity for hard-Left and black radical groups. Look at pics of any of the protests and vigils and you'll see the usual rentacrowd Leftists with their Socialist Workers Party banners, Stand Up to Racism banners (SUTR is a front group for the SWP), placards calling to defund the police, people giving clenched fist salutes screaming "black lives matter." Where are these same protesters when a young black man is stabbed to death? Nowhere. They're not interested. There's no angle in it for them to exploit. Just like in Animal Farm, their slogan needs to be amended: Some Black Lives Matter. | |||
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"I don't believe anyone is actively wanting these things to happen. That's a very cynical view. Of course they are. Incidents like this are a golden opportunity for hard-Left and black radical groups. Look at pics of any of the protests and vigils and you'll see the usual rentacrowd Leftists with their Socialist Workers Party banners, Stand Up to Racism banners (SUTR is a front group for the SWP), placards calling to defund the police, people giving clenched fist salutes screaming "black lives matter." Where are these same protesters when a young black man is stabbed to death? Nowhere. They're not interested. There's no angle in it for them to exploit. Just like in Animal Farm, their slogan needs to be amended: Some Black Lives Matter. " Personally, I find it ridiculous that you're suggesting that only the "hard left" oppose racism. What a horrendously cynical view of everyone else in society. And I'm not sure how you are linking this weird view to the points on this thread. | |||
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"I don't believe anyone is actively wanting these things to happen. That's a very cynical view. Of course they are. Incidents like this are a golden opportunity for hard-Left and black radical groups. Look at pics of any of the protests and vigils and you'll see the usual rentacrowd Leftists with their Socialist Workers Party banners, Stand Up to Racism banners (SUTR is a front group for the SWP), placards calling to defund the police, people giving clenched fist salutes screaming "black lives matter." Where are these same protesters when a young black man is stabbed to death? Nowhere. They're not interested. There's no angle in it for them to exploit. Just like in Animal Farm, their slogan needs to be amended: Some Black Lives Matter. Personally, I find it ridiculous that you're suggesting that only the "hard left" oppose racism. What a horrendously cynical view of everyone else in society. And I'm not sure how you are linking this weird view to the points on this thread. " You say others have a cynical view rather a lot. Why do you feel it is cynical if it is not what you believe or are thinking ? Can you not appreciate another point of view to yours, or is it you who is cynical | |||
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"I don't believe anyone is actively wanting these things to happen. That's a very cynical view. Of course they are. Incidents like this are a golden opportunity for hard-Left and black radical groups. Look at pics of any of the protests and vigils and you'll see the usual rentacrowd Leftists with their Socialist Workers Party banners, Stand Up to Racism banners (SUTR is a front group for the SWP), placards calling to defund the police, people giving clenched fist salutes screaming "black lives matter." Where are these same protesters when a young black man is stabbed to death? Nowhere. They're not interested. There's no angle in it for them to exploit. Just like in Animal Farm, their slogan needs to be amended: Some Black Lives Matter. Personally, I find it ridiculous that you're suggesting that only the "hard left" oppose racism. What a horrendously cynical view of everyone else in society. And I'm not sure how you are linking this weird view to the points on this thread. You say others have a cynical view rather a lot. Why do you feel it is cynical if it is not what you believe or are thinking ? Can you not appreciate another point of view to yours, or is it you who is cynical " Very few people are "hard left" so to suggest that that specific group are the only people opposed to racism seems cynical. This has absolutely nothing to do with my point of view. I was commenting on theirs. You seem to spend a lot of time having a pop at me on multiple treads, instead of engaging in the discussions. Would you prefer me not to be here taking part? What is it that compels you to keep doing this? | |||
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"I don't believe anyone is actively wanting these things to happen. That's a very cynical view. Of course they are. Incidents like this are a golden opportunity for hard-Left and black radical groups. Look at pics of any of the protests and vigils and you'll see the usual rentacrowd Leftists with their Socialist Workers Party banners, Stand Up to Racism banners (SUTR is a front group for the SWP), placards calling to defund the police, people giving clenched fist salutes screaming "black lives matter." Where are these same protesters when a young black man is stabbed to death? Nowhere. They're not interested. There's no angle in it for them to exploit. Just like in Animal Farm, their slogan needs to be amended: Some Black Lives Matter. Personally, I find it ridiculous that you're suggesting that only the "hard left" oppose racism. What a horrendously cynical view of everyone else in society. And I'm not sure how you are linking this weird view to the points on this thread. You say others have a cynical view rather a lot. Why do you feel it is cynical if it is not what you believe or are thinking ? Can you not appreciate another point of view to yours, or is it you who is cynical Very few people are "hard left" so to suggest that that specific group are the only people opposed to racism seems cynical. This has absolutely nothing to do with my point of view. I was commenting on theirs. You seem to spend a lot of time having a pop at me on multiple treads, instead of engaging in the discussions. Would you prefer me not to be here taking part? What is it that compels you to keep doing this?" I appreciate you being here and respect your consistency, however I think you default to a position of "racism' or it is "unfair" as a default argument when pushed. I'm not here to change your point of view, because it is your belief, but you should expect challenge when you promote your point of view and then go onto call others cynical who have different opinion to you. | |||
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"I don't believe anyone is actively wanting these things to happen. That's a very cynical view. Of course they are. Incidents like this are a golden opportunity for hard-Left and black radical groups. Look at pics of any of the protests and vigils and you'll see the usual rentacrowd Leftists with their Socialist Workers Party banners, Stand Up to Racism banners (SUTR is a front group for the SWP), placards calling to defund the police, people giving clenched fist salutes screaming "black lives matter." Where are these same protesters when a young black man is stabbed to death? Nowhere. They're not interested. There's no angle in it for them to exploit. Just like in Animal Farm, their slogan needs to be amended: Some Black Lives Matter. " "Black radical"? Sounds dangerous. | |||
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"I don't believe anyone is actively wanting these things to happen. That's a very cynical view. Of course they are. Incidents like this are a golden opportunity for hard-Left and black radical groups. Look at pics of any of the protests and vigils and you'll see the usual rentacrowd Leftists with their Socialist Workers Party banners, Stand Up to Racism banners (SUTR is a front group for the SWP), placards calling to defund the police, people giving clenched fist salutes screaming "black lives matter." Where are these same protesters when a young black man is stabbed to death? Nowhere. They're not interested. There's no angle in it for them to exploit. Just like in Animal Farm, their slogan needs to be amended: Some Black Lives Matter. Personally, I find it ridiculous that you're suggesting that only the "hard left" oppose racism. What a horrendously cynical view of everyone else in society. And I'm not sure how you are linking this weird view to the points on this thread. You say others have a cynical view rather a lot. Why do you feel it is cynical if it is not what you believe or are thinking ? Can you not appreciate another point of view to yours, or is it you who is cynical Very few people are "hard left" so to suggest that that specific group are the only people opposed to racism seems cynical. This has absolutely nothing to do with my point of view. I was commenting on theirs. You seem to spend a lot of time having a pop at me on multiple treads, instead of engaging in the discussions. Would you prefer me not to be here taking part? What is it that compels you to keep doing this? I appreciate you being here and respect your consistency, however I think you default to a position of "racism' or it is "unfair" as a default argument when pushed. I'm not here to change your point of view, because it is your belief, but you should expect challenge when you promote your point of view and then go onto call others cynical who have different opinion to you. "I mean the thread is about racism. And do you not think the other person was expressing a cynical point of view? Personally, I think most people are not racist, no matter where they sit on the political spectrum. I think it is cynical to think that nearly everyone is racist. Do you have any thoughts? | |||
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"I don't believe anyone is actively wanting these things to happen. That's a very cynical view. Of course they are. Incidents like this are a golden opportunity for hard-Left and black radical groups. Look at pics of any of the protests and vigils and you'll see the usual rentacrowd Leftists with their Socialist Workers Party banners, Stand Up to Racism banners (SUTR is a front group for the SWP), placards calling to defund the police, people giving clenched fist salutes screaming "black lives matter." Where are these same protesters when a young black man is stabbed to death? Nowhere. They're not interested. There's no angle in it for them to exploit. Just like in Animal Farm, their slogan needs to be amended: Some Black Lives Matter. "Black radical"? Sounds dangerous." As dangerous as other radicals, or less? | |||
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"I don't believe anyone is actively wanting these things to happen. That's a very cynical view. Of course they are. Incidents like this are a golden opportunity for hard-Left and black radical groups. Look at pics of any of the protests and vigils and you'll see the usual rentacrowd Leftists with their Socialist Workers Party banners, Stand Up to Racism banners (SUTR is a front group for the SWP), placards calling to defund the police, people giving clenched fist salutes screaming "black lives matter." Where are these same protesters when a young black man is stabbed to death? Nowhere. They're not interested. There's no angle in it for them to exploit. Just like in Animal Farm, their slogan needs to be amended: Some Black Lives Matter. Personally, I find it ridiculous that you're suggesting that only the "hard left" oppose racism. What a horrendously cynical view of everyone else in society. And I'm not sure how you are linking this weird view to the points on this thread. You say others have a cynical view rather a lot. Why do you feel it is cynical if it is not what you believe or are thinking ? Can you not appreciate another point of view to yours, or is it you who is cynical Very few people are "hard left" so to suggest that that specific group are the only people opposed to racism seems cynical. This has absolutely nothing to do with my point of view. I was commenting on theirs. You seem to spend a lot of time having a pop at me on multiple treads, instead of engaging in the discussions. Would you prefer me not to be here taking part? What is it that compels you to keep doing this? I appreciate you being here and respect your consistency, however I think you default to a position of "racism' or it is "unfair" as a default argument when pushed. I'm not here to change your point of view, because it is your belief, but you should expect challenge when you promote your point of view and then go onto call others cynical who have different opinion to you.
I mean the thread is about racism.
And do you not think the other person was expressing a cynical point of view? Personally, I think most people are not racist, no matter where they sit on the political spectrum.
I think it is cynical to think that nearly everyone is racist.
Do you have any thoughts?"Can you expand on "the thread is about racism"? | |||
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"I don't believe anyone is actively wanting these things to happen. That's a very cynical view. Of course they are. Incidents like this are a golden opportunity for hard-Left and black radical groups. Look at pics of any of the protests and vigils and you'll see the usual rentacrowd Leftists with their Socialist Workers Party banners, Stand Up to Racism banners (SUTR is a front group for the SWP), placards calling to defund the police, people giving clenched fist salutes screaming "black lives matter." Where are these same protesters when a young black man is stabbed to death? Nowhere. They're not interested. There's no angle in it for them to exploit. Just like in Animal Farm, their slogan needs to be amended: Some Black Lives Matter. Personally, I find it ridiculous that you're suggesting that only the "hard left" oppose racism. What a horrendously cynical view of everyone else in society. And I'm not sure how you are linking this weird view to the points on this thread. You say others have a cynical view rather a lot. Why do you feel it is cynical if it is not what you believe or are thinking ? Can you not appreciate another point of view to yours, or is it you who is cynical Very few people are "hard left" so to suggest that that specific group are the only people opposed to racism seems cynical. This has absolutely nothing to do with my point of view. I was commenting on theirs. You seem to spend a lot of time having a pop at me on multiple treads, instead of engaging in the discussions. Would you prefer me not to be here taking part? What is it that compels you to keep doing this? I appreciate you being here and respect your consistency, however I think you default to a position of "racism' or it is "unfair" as a default argument when pushed. I'm not here to change your point of view, because it is your belief, but you should expect challenge when you promote your point of view and then go onto call others cynical who have different opinion to you.
I mean the thread is about racism.
And do you not think the other person was expressing a cynical point of view? Personally, I think most people are not racist, no matter where they sit on the political spectrum.
I think it is cynical to think that nearly everyone is racist.
Do you have any thoughts?"Is the thread about racism? Or is it a thread about people claiming racism before any evidence/facts come out | |||
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"Am I surprised? No not really there’s always more to the sensationalist headlines than first impression. Lots of cases like this and ass always the family try’s to spin it as he’s a good boy really
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"Always best to let the relevant authorities to do their investigations, before jumping to any conclusion. Never ever any winners in incidents like this. Very true, but unfortunately it doesn't stop people and organisations trying to take a win out of a tragedy. I can see us getting to the same place as the US in releasing body cam footage to the public very quickly to settle tensions built up by assumption and bad actors. I don't think we'll be the same as the US. We won't need to be releasing footage quickly to the public, because the frequency of these events is nowhere near theirs. Our population aren't armed, the police generally aren't armed and don't execute black people for robbing $20. I genuinely don't think we're heading towards a US model for this stuff. There are people in this country wanting and waiting for an incident similar to Floyd. This incident got people marching, protesting and that could have easily turned to unrest. I think incidents and accusations of police brutality will increase. I don't believe anyone is actively wanting these things to happen. That's a very cynical view. I honestly don't know how much of a problem racism is within the British police. But it can't be anything like it is in the states, can it? Doesn't seem so." We had 4 political leaders that had brown skin: surely that is bad news for racists. | |||
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