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By *asyuk OP   Man
over a year ago

West London

Why go through spending taxpayers money?

So little confidence that a consultation has to be biased and civil service not allowed to function as it should.

"Jacob Rees-Mogg’s imperial measurements consultation ‘biased’ after no option given to say no"

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/sep/18/metric-system-imperial-measures-consultation-brexit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Taken a while for this to become news. Is the survey even still open ?

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Survey closed on August 26th.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Survey closed on August 26th."
must be a slow news day. Or just bored of the queen.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
over a year ago

Gilfach

Here's the full list of questions:

---

For All,

a) Are there any specific areas of consumer transactions that should be a priority for allowing a choice in units of measurement, and why?

b) Are there any specific areas that you think should be excluded from a choice in units of measurement, and why?

c) If an item is sold in imperial measures, should there be a requirement for a metric equivalent alongside it?

---

For Businesses,

What would be the consequences of your business having the freedom to sell products in imperial measures, if you wished?

---

For Consumers,

a) If you had a choice, would you want to purchase items:

(i) in imperial units?

(ii) in imperial units alongside a metric equivalent?

b) Are you more likely to shop from businesses that sell in imperial units?

c) Do you foresee any costs or benefits to you from businesses being permitted to sell:

(i) solely in imperial units?

(ii) in imperial units alongside a less prominent metric equivalent?

d) Do you have experience of buying solely in imperial units?

--

For Trading Standards,

What potential impacts might there be on regulatory activity, including any costs or benefits?

--- (end of questions)

It all looks fairly even handed to me. Consumers that wanted to ban imperial measures altogether had plenty of opportunity to make their case in the 3 questions listed under "For All".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Here's the full list of questions:

---

For All,

a) Are there any specific areas of consumer transactions that should be a priority for allowing a choice in units of measurement, and why?

b) Are there any specific areas that you think should be excluded from a choice in units of measurement, and why?

c) If an item is sold in imperial measures, should there be a requirement for a metric equivalent alongside it?

---

For Businesses,

What would be the consequences of your business having the freedom to sell products in imperial measures, if you wished?

---

For Consumers,

a) If you had a choice, would you want to purchase items:

(i) in imperial units?

(ii) in imperial units alongside a metric equivalent?

b) Are you more likely to shop from businesses that sell in imperial units?

c) Do you foresee any costs or benefits to you from businesses being permitted to sell:

(i) solely in imperial units?

(ii) in imperial units alongside a less prominent metric equivalent?

d) Do you have experience of buying solely in imperial units?

--

For Trading Standards,

What potential impacts might there be on regulatory activity, including any costs or benefits?

--- (end of questions)

It all looks fairly even handed to me. Consumers that wanted to ban imperial measures altogether had plenty of opportunity to make their case in the 3 questions listed under "For All"."

100pc of people would chose to buy in imperial units.

It's how they use these questions that matter. It may just be trying to guage the effect of moving from where we are today. Ppl worry it will be used to represent an absolute opinion.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields


"Here's the full list of questions:

---

For All,

a) Are there any specific areas of consumer transactions that should be a priority for allowing a choice in units of measurement, and why?

b) Are there any specific areas that you think should be excluded from a choice in units of measurement, and why?

c) If an item is sold in imperial measures, should there be a requirement for a metric equivalent alongside it?

---

For Businesses,

What would be the consequences of your business having the freedom to sell products in imperial measures, if you wished?

---

For Consumers,

a) If you had a choice, would you want to purchase items:

(i) in imperial units?

(ii) in imperial units alongside a metric equivalent?

b) Are you more likely to shop from businesses that sell in imperial units?

c) Do you foresee any costs or benefits to you from businesses being permitted to sell:

(i) solely in imperial units?

(ii) in imperial units alongside a less prominent metric equivalent?

d) Do you have experience of buying solely in imperial units?

--

For Trading Standards,

What potential impacts might there be on regulatory activity, including any costs or benefits?

--- (end of questions)

It all looks fairly even handed to me. Consumers that wanted to ban imperial measures altogether had plenty of opportunity to make their case in the 3 questions listed under "For All".100pc of people would chose to buy in imperial units.

It's how they use these questions that matter. It may just be trying to guage the effect of moving from where we are today. Ppl worry it will be used to represent an absolute opinion. "

It will be enough to convince brexit voters and daily mail readers that this new initiative is the way forward, will unite the country and is a brexit benefit.

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes


"Here's the full list of questions:

---

For All,

a) Are there any specific areas of consumer transactions that should be a priority for allowing a choice in units of measurement, and why?

b) Are there any specific areas that you think should be excluded from a choice in units of measurement, and why?

c) If an item is sold in imperial measures, should there be a requirement for a metric equivalent alongside it?

---

For Businesses,

What would be the consequences of your business having the freedom to sell products in imperial measures, if you wished?

---

For Consumers,

a) If you had a choice, would you want to purchase items:

(i) in imperial units?

(ii) in imperial units alongside a metric equivalent?

b) Are you more likely to shop from businesses that sell in imperial units?

c) Do you foresee any costs or benefits to you from businesses being permitted to sell:

(i) solely in imperial units?

(ii) in imperial units alongside a less prominent metric equivalent?

d) Do you have experience of buying solely in imperial units?

--

For Trading Standards,

What potential impacts might there be on regulatory activity, including any costs or benefits?

--- (end of questions)

It all looks fairly even handed to me. Consumers that wanted to ban imperial measures altogether had plenty of opportunity to make their case in the 3 questions listed under "For All"."

I don't see anything wrong with the questions though certainly not experienced in such things. I assume for the questions that were a yes or no answer like the ones in the' For All' section, that there was not a 'No' option available. So you either answer yes or not at all. If my assumption is wrong then don't see the problem

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields


"Here's the full list of questions:

---

For All,

a) Are there any specific areas of consumer transactions that should be a priority for allowing a choice in units of measurement, and why?

b) Are there any specific areas that you think should be excluded from a choice in units of measurement, and why?

c) If an item is sold in imperial measures, should there be a requirement for a metric equivalent alongside it?

---

For Businesses,

What would be the consequences of your business having the freedom to sell products in imperial measures, if you wished?

---

For Consumers,

a) If you had a choice, would you want to purchase items:

(i) in imperial units?

(ii) in imperial units alongside a metric equivalent?

b) Are you more likely to shop from businesses that sell in imperial units?

c) Do you foresee any costs or benefits to you from businesses being permitted to sell:

(i) solely in imperial units?

(ii) in imperial units alongside a less prominent metric equivalent?

d) Do you have experience of buying solely in imperial units?

--

For Trading Standards,

What potential impacts might there be on regulatory activity, including any costs or benefits?

--- (end of questions)

It all looks fairly even handed to me. Consumers that wanted to ban imperial measures altogether had plenty of opportunity to make their case in the 3 questions listed under "For All".

I don't see anything wrong with the questions though certainly not experienced in such things. I assume for the questions that were a yes or no answer like the ones in the' For All' section, that there was not a 'No' option available. So you either answer yes or not at all. If my assumption is wrong then don't see the problem"

Every option makes it sound like reintroducing imperial units is a good idea. So when it's reported on, it will appear to add weight to it being a good idea.

If they were actually interested in an answer, instead of using this survey to promote an agenda, then they would have had questions to reflect people who don't think it's a good idea to take this large step backwards.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields


"Here's the full list of questions:

---

For All,

a) Are there any specific areas of consumer transactions that should be a priority for allowing a choice in units of measurement, and why?

b) Are there any specific areas that you think should be excluded from a choice in units of measurement, and why?

c) If an item is sold in imperial measures, should there be a requirement for a metric equivalent alongside it?

---

For Businesses,

What would be the consequences of your business having the freedom to sell products in imperial measures, if you wished?

---

For Consumers,

a) If you had a choice, would you want to purchase items:

(i) in imperial units?

(ii) in imperial units alongside a metric equivalent?

b) Are you more likely to shop from businesses that sell in imperial units?

c) Do you foresee any costs or benefits to you from businesses being permitted to sell:

(i) solely in imperial units?

(ii) in imperial units alongside a less prominent metric equivalent?

d) Do you have experience of buying solely in imperial units?

--

For Trading Standards,

What potential impacts might there be on regulatory activity, including any costs or benefits?

--- (end of questions)

It all looks fairly even handed to me. Consumers that wanted to ban imperial measures altogether had plenty of opportunity to make their case in the 3 questions listed under "For All".

I don't see anything wrong with the questions though certainly not experienced in such things. I assume for the questions that were a yes or no answer like the ones in the' For All' section, that there was not a 'No' option available. So you either answer yes or not at all. If my assumption is wrong then don't see the problem

Every option makes it sound like reintroducing imperial units is a good idea. So when it's reported on, it will appear to add weight to it being a good idea.

If they were actually interested in an answer, instead of using this survey to promote an agenda, then they would have had questions to reflect people who don't think it's a good idea to take this large step backwards."

I.E.

For Consumers,

a) If you had a choice, would you want to purchase items:

(i) in imperial units?

(ii) in imperial units alongside a metric equivalent?

(iii) in metric units?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Here's the full list of questions:

---

For All,

a) Are there any specific areas of consumer transactions that should be a priority for allowing a choice in units of measurement, and why?

b) Are there any specific areas that you think should be excluded from a choice in units of measurement, and why?

c) If an item is sold in imperial measures, should there be a requirement for a metric equivalent alongside it?

---

For Businesses,

What would be the consequences of your business having the freedom to sell products in imperial measures, if you wished?

---

For Consumers,

a) If you had a choice, would you want to purchase items:

(i) in imperial units?

(ii) in imperial units alongside a metric equivalent?

b) Are you more likely to shop from businesses that sell in imperial units?

c) Do you foresee any costs or benefits to you from businesses being permitted to sell:

(i) solely in imperial units?

(ii) in imperial units alongside a less prominent metric equivalent?

d) Do you have experience of buying solely in imperial units?

--

For Trading Standards,

What potential impacts might there be on regulatory activity, including any costs or benefits?

--- (end of questions)

It all looks fairly even handed to me. Consumers that wanted to ban imperial measures altogether had plenty of opportunity to make their case in the 3 questions listed under "For All".

I don't see anything wrong with the questions though certainly not experienced in such things. I assume for the questions that were a yes or no answer like the ones in the' For All' section, that there was not a 'No' option available. So you either answer yes or not at all. If my assumption is wrong then don't see the problem"

I don't recall you could skip a question like that. I think (memory hazy) you chose one of the two option of imperial or imperial plus metric.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
over a year ago

Gilfach


"I don't see anything wrong with the questions though certainly not experienced in such things. I assume for the questions that were a yes or no answer like the ones in the' For All' section, that there was not a 'No' option available. So you either answer yes or not at all. If my assumption is wrong then don't see the problem"

Your assumption is wrong. For all of the yes/no questions there were both 'yes' and 'no' options, and for all other questions there was a text field for you to answer in full.

The one question that The Guardian has picked up on is consumer question (a), where the options are (i) 'Imperial only', and (ii) 'Imperial alongside metric'. They seem to want a third option of (iii) 'I want to buy in metric measures, and I don't want anyone to have the option of buying in Imperial'.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields


"I don't see anything wrong with the questions though certainly not experienced in such things. I assume for the questions that were a yes or no answer like the ones in the' For All' section, that there was not a 'No' option available. So you either answer yes or not at all. If my assumption is wrong then don't see the problem

Your assumption is wrong. For all of the yes/no questions there were both 'yes' and 'no' options, and for all other questions there was a text field for you to answer in full.

The one question that The Guardian has picked up on is consumer question (a), where the options are (i) 'Imperial only', and (ii) 'Imperial alongside metric'. They seem to want a third option of (iii) 'I want to buy in metric measures, and I don't want anyone to have the option of buying in Imperial'."

Option (iii) should be the opposite of option (i). But they clearly don't want anyone to express a view on favour of sticking with metric.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't see anything wrong with the questions though certainly not experienced in such things. I assume for the questions that were a yes or no answer like the ones in the' For All' section, that there was not a 'No' option available. So you either answer yes or not at all. If my assumption is wrong then don't see the problem

Your assumption is wrong. For all of the yes/no questions there were both 'yes' and 'no' options, and for all other questions there was a text field for you to answer in full.

The one question that The Guardian has picked up on is consumer question (a), where the options are (i) 'Imperial only', and (ii) 'Imperial alongside metric'. They seem to want a third option of (iii) 'I want to buy in metric measures, and I don't want anyone to have the option of buying in Imperial'."

isn't that the other side of the coin of (I). And it would be interesting to see "in metric alongside an imperial alternative" as an answer ... In theory it's the same question.... In theory.

Also have

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By *rLibertineMan
over a year ago

North Suffolk


"I don't see anything wrong with the questions though certainly not experienced in such things. I assume for the questions that were a yes or no answer like the ones in the' For All' section, that there was not a 'No' option available. So you either answer yes or not at all. If my assumption is wrong then don't see the problem

Your assumption is wrong. For all of the yes/no questions there were both 'yes' and 'no' options, and for all other questions there was a text field for you to answer in full.

The one question that The Guardian has picked up on is consumer question (a), where the options are (i) 'Imperial only', and (ii) 'Imperial alongside metric'. They seem to want a third option of (iii) 'I want to buy in metric measures, and I don't want anyone to have the option of buying in Imperial'."

I would have liked a metric only answer. Heavens forbid for a bit of balance!

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes


"I don't see anything wrong with the questions though certainly not experienced in such things. I assume for the questions that were a yes or no answer like the ones in the' For All' section, that there was not a 'No' option available. So you either answer yes or not at all. If my assumption is wrong then don't see the problem

Your assumption is wrong. For all of the yes/no questions there were both 'yes' and 'no' options, and for all other questions there was a text field for you to answer in full.

The one question that The Guardian has picked up on is consumer question (a), where the options are (i) 'Imperial only', and (ii) 'Imperial alongside metric'. They seem to want a third option of (iii) 'I want to buy in metric measures, and I don't want anyone to have the option of buying in Imperial'."

Ok thank you, makes more sense now.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Ilkley


"I don't see anything wrong with the questions though certainly not experienced in such things. I assume for the questions that were a yes or no answer like the ones in the' For All' section, that there was not a 'No' option available. So you either answer yes or not at all. If my assumption is wrong then don't see the problem

Your assumption is wrong. For all of the yes/no questions there were both 'yes' and 'no' options, and for all other questions there was a text field for you to answer in full.

The one question that The Guardian has picked up on is consumer question (a), where the options are (i) 'Imperial only', and (ii) 'Imperial alongside metric'. They seem to want a third option of (iii) 'I want to buy in metric measures, and I don't want anyone to have the option of buying in Imperial'."

There was no option of "Just leave it all the fuck the way it is, because every single time anything is changed it just adds cost, we are in the middle of the worst financial crisis in 150 years and cannot afford to waste a single penny, and Jacob Rees-Mogg I hope that you are going to personally reimburse the tax payers for the million quid or so you have given some mates of yours to carry out this stupid survey."

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By *xhib12Man
over a year ago

Blyth

Does it really matter?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Does it really matter? "

Yes, because they might use the same shitty technique for something you DO care about

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By *rLibertineMan
over a year ago

North Suffolk


"I don't see anything wrong with the questions though certainly not experienced in such things. I assume for the questions that were a yes or no answer like the ones in the' For All' section, that there was not a 'No' option available. So you either answer yes or not at all. If my assumption is wrong then don't see the problem

Your assumption is wrong. For all of the yes/no questions there were both 'yes' and 'no' options, and for all other questions there was a text field for you to answer in full.

The one question that The Guardian has picked up on is consumer question (a), where the options are (i) 'Imperial only', and (ii) 'Imperial alongside metric'. They seem to want a third option of (iii) 'I want to buy in metric measures, and I don't want anyone to have the option of buying in Imperial'.

There was no option of "Just leave it all the fuck the way it is, because every single time anything is changed it just adds cost, we are in the middle of the worst financial crisis in 150 years and cannot afford to waste a single penny, and Jacob Rees-Mogg I hope that you are going to personally reimburse the tax payers for the million quid or so you have given some mates of yours to carry out this stupid survey.""

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By *asyuk OP   Man
over a year ago

West London


"Does it really matter?

Yes, because they might use the same shitty technique for something you DO care about "

Exactly.

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By *asyuk OP   Man
over a year ago

West London


"Here's the full list of questions:

---

For All,

a) Are there any specific areas of consumer transactions that should be a priority for allowing a choice in units of measurement, and why?

b) Are there any specific areas that you think should be excluded from a choice in units of measurement, and why?

c) If an item is sold in imperial measures, should there be a requirement for a metric equivalent alongside it?

---

For Businesses,

What would be the consequences of your business having the freedom to sell products in imperial measures, if you wished?

---

For Consumers,

a) If you had a choice, would you want to purchase items:

(i) in imperial units?

(ii) in imperial units alongside a metric equivalent?

b) Are you more likely to shop from businesses that sell in imperial units?

c) Do you foresee any costs or benefits to you from businesses being permitted to sell:

(i) solely in imperial units?

(ii) in imperial units alongside a less prominent metric equivalent?

d) Do you have experience of buying solely in imperial units?

--

For Trading Standards,

What potential impacts might there be on regulatory activity, including any costs or benefits?

--- (end of questions)

It all looks fairly even handed to me. Consumers that wanted to ban imperial measures altogether had plenty of opportunity to make their case in the 3 questions listed under "For All".

I don't see anything wrong with the questions though certainly not experienced in such things. I assume for the questions that were a yes or no answer like the ones in the' For All' section, that there was not a 'No' option available. So you either answer yes or not at all. If my assumption is wrong then don't see the problem"

Did you listen to the link?

It explains what the problem is.

People will tend to pick from the options available when answering surveys. They are less likely to come up with their own options.

The questions provided all imply full support for Imperial measures. It would be more appropriate to use a scale to provide information on how much they care about the topic at all.

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By *asyuk OP   Man
over a year ago

West London


"I don't see anything wrong with the questions though certainly not experienced in such things. I assume for the questions that were a yes or no answer like the ones in the' For All' section, that there was not a 'No' option available. So you either answer yes or not at all. If my assumption is wrong then don't see the problem

Your assumption is wrong. For all of the yes/no questions there were both 'yes' and 'no' options, and for all other questions there was a text field for you to answer in full.

The one question that The Guardian has picked up on is consumer question (a), where the options are (i) 'Imperial only', and (ii) 'Imperial alongside metric'. They seem to want a third option of (iii) 'I want to buy in metric measures, and I don't want anyone to have the option of buying in Imperial'."

As usual, you did not listen to the actual link and completely missed the point.

Well done you

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes


"Here's the full list of questions:

---

For All,

a) Are there any specific areas of consumer transactions that should be a priority for allowing a choice in units of measurement, and why?

b) Are there any specific areas that you think should be excluded from a choice in units of measurement, and why?

c) If an item is sold in imperial measures, should there be a requirement for a metric equivalent alongside it?

---

For Businesses,

What would be the consequences of your business having the freedom to sell products in imperial measures, if you wished?

---

For Consumers,

a) If you had a choice, would you want to purchase items:

(i) in imperial units?

(ii) in imperial units alongside a metric equivalent?

b) Are you more likely to shop from businesses that sell in imperial units?

c) Do you foresee any costs or benefits to you from businesses being permitted to sell:

(i) solely in imperial units?

(ii) in imperial units alongside a less prominent metric equivalent?

d) Do you have experience of buying solely in imperial units?

--

For Trading Standards,

What potential impacts might there be on regulatory activity, including any costs or benefits?

--- (end of questions)

It all looks fairly even handed to me. Consumers that wanted to ban imperial measures altogether had plenty of opportunity to make their case in the 3 questions listed under "For All".

I don't see anything wrong with the questions though certainly not experienced in such things. I assume for the questions that were a yes or no answer like the ones in the' For All' section, that there was not a 'No' option available. So you either answer yes or not at all. If my assumption is wrong then don't see the problem

Did you listen to the link?

It explains what the problem is.

People will tend to pick from the options available when answering surveys. They are less likely to come up with their own options.

The questions provided all imply full support for Imperial measures. It would be more appropriate to use a scale to provide information on how much they care about the topic at all."

Another poster has kindly explained a while ago

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