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By *rFunBoy OP   Man
over a year ago

Longridge

The EU is planning drastic rationing and reductions in energy usage, especially electricity due to the high consumption of gas to produce it.

Yet, here, its business as usual with bo conservation right now and no plans or warnings to go easy to allow storage facilities in the EU to be filled a d preserved.

Is it "wing and a prayer" or has they found a secret stash of gas somewhere?

The EU know they have to cut electricity consumption drastically this winter, why not here?

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields


"The EU is planning drastic rationing and reductions in energy usage, especially electricity due to the high consumption of gas to produce it.

Yet, here, its business as usual with bo conservation right now and no plans or warnings to go easy to allow storage facilities in the EU to be filled a d preserved.

Is it "wing and a prayer" or has they found a secret stash of gas somewhere?

The EU know they have to cut electricity consumption drastically this winter, why not here?

"

Because that would be of no benefit to the gas industry, whom the government work for.

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By *lex46TV/TS
over a year ago

Near Wells

Is it because Germany get most of their gas from Russia? They keep turning the taps down as well.

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By *rFunBoy OP   Man
over a year ago

Longridge


"Is it because Germany get most of their gas from Russia? They keep turning the taps down as well."

Germany USED to get most of their Gas from Russia. Last 6 weeks that's been disruptive and since last week, completely shut off indefinitely.

This means Germany are using the UK as an LNG terminal, so why are we not assisting them in getting as much stored for Winter as is from Germany the bulk of our surplus Winter Gas is supplied.

The only way we can do that is conserving as much as we can now. I know the conversation in Winter when we need Gas from the EU.

"We've got no spare, sorry".

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By *rFunBoy OP   Man
over a year ago

Longridge

We're also competing with Germany for LNG, hence the prices rocketing on Wholesale 30% last week.

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By *oolpinstripeMan
over a year ago

Kildare

I’m completely baffled as well... I live in The EU’ but we’re not turning anything off or even down. I wish people would stop confusing the EU with a country !

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By *rFunBoy OP   Man
over a year ago

Longridge

Unfortunately, the bulk of your Gas passes through the UK..

If we're low, there's no guarantee you'll keep the lights on as your Government recently admitted being caught with their mighty trousers down.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Because planning is for Captain Hindsight, not Tories.

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By *rFunBoy OP   Man
over a year ago

Longridge

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By *rFunBoy OP   Man
over a year ago

Longridge

You mean.. another Public Enquiry into mass avoidable deaths?

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By *ustintime69Man
over a year ago

london

Now remind me….which government minister decided that we should close down our gas storage facilities?

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By *rFunBoy OP   Man
over a year ago

Longridge

Erm...

What our new Chancellor?

KamiKwasi Kwarteng per chance?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I guess we should be taking advice off the EU about energy policy, given that theirs has been so obviously successful.

That's in the absence of Greta Thunberg being available to tell us what to do. She does seem to have gone a little quiet lately for some reason.

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By *rFunBoy OP   Man
over a year ago

Longridge

Although I respect Greta, she's really missed the point.

The school children that take an annual strike from schools that themselves, don't have Solar and low energy heating installed.

Better if instead, pressure was put in head masters to supply the bulk of their own power- Carbon free.

I was looking at schools last July, one bragged they've spent £75,000 on upgrading the school by the money saved on Energy during COVID lockdowns. Thus was before October '21 and prices have risen fourfold and now in the news School Children are missing out on other nice things, due to Energy costs.

If the government had insisted on and supported Schools installation of Solar, would they now be in the state they are in?

All the emitted carbon from power generation to support multiple room of Secondary School IT suites.

The 7x Schools I visited, not one had Solar with an estimated consumption of 1.5Mw combined. That's a lot of electricity and emitted CO2 from Power Stations.

It is a failure of all EU block governments, including our own to look at locations with large roof space and utilise it for the benefits of renewables. Instead, they allow valuable farm land to be smothered in PV panels.

Our local courthouse roof would support over 400kwh of Solar.

The choice is simple, we use it now or store for winter. It appears Winter Storage offshore in the light of UKs poor decisions isn't important to this Government.

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

I don't understand why anyone who knows anything about energy can be baffled ?

There's no point in the UK conserving gas as there is no storage.

If we were asked to conserve gas then what we don't use would be sent straight to storage in the EU. Can you imagine the uproar ?

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By *rFunBoy OP   Man
over a year ago

Longridge

The point exactly.. we have no storage.

Is it then not inconceivable that as we're not burning it now, more can be kept in or transferred to Germany, who do store the Gas we'll be consuming over Winter - as we've done every Winter the past few years.

It will become an argument later that we failed to help conservation or storage over Summer, therefore unfortunately we cannot spare you any.

I'm baffled at the sheer incompetence of the UK government's short sighted attitude to Winter and what potentially could happen if WE don't help them set aside Gas for Winter.

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By *rFunBoy OP   Man
over a year ago

Longridge

LNG ships Dock at UK terminals which is offloaded, converted back to Gas and transferred via Holland to Germany regularly as we can't store, yet I see no UPROAR?

Unfortunately, now that NORD STREAM1 is offline which was Germany's Day to Day supply plus some for Winter.

It is not enough to set aside for Winter.

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24


"LNG ships Dock at UK terminals which is offloaded, converted back to Gas and transferred via Holland to Germany regularly as we can't store, yet I see no UPROAR?

"

Why would there be, what's that got to do with British people being told to economise resulting in gas they've saved going to the EU ?

You're right, you are completely baffled.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"LNG ships Dock at UK terminals which is offloaded, converted back to Gas and transferred via Holland to Germany regularly as we can't store, yet I see no UPROAR?

Why would there be, what's that got to do with British people being told to economise resulting in gas they've saved going to the EU ?

You're right, you are completely baffled."
is the point more around what happens in the winter.

We need gas. But there is not enough stored in Germany.

The countries are almost irrelevant. We arent stroking what we need tomorrow partly (maybe) because we are using it all today.

We need a technicolour dream coat dude.

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By *rFunBoy OP   Man
over a year ago

Longridge


"LNG ships Dock at UK terminals which is offloaded, converted back to Gas and transferred via Holland to Germany regularly as we can't store, yet I see no UPROAR?

Why would there be, what's that got to do with British people being told to economise resulting in gas they've saved going to the EU ?

You're right, you are completely baffled."

You might want to do some reading before making uninformed comments on what is fact. Unfortunately, your at the end of very a long pecking line, so you'll be affected first if supply shakes.

I'd suggest writing to your government and ask what plans they have with the UK to maintain supply at a critical period.

Oh, hang on.. you don't actualky have a government!!

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By *rFunBoy OP   Man
over a year ago

Longridge


"LNG ships Dock at UK terminals which is offloaded, converted back to Gas and transferred via Holland to Germany regularly as we can't store, yet I see no UPROAR?

Why would there be, what's that got to do with British people being told to economise resulting in gas they've saved going to the EU ?

You're right, you are completely baffled.is the point more around what happens in the winter.

We need gas. But there is not enough stored in Germany.

The countries are almost irrelevant. We arent stroking what we need tomorrow partly (maybe) because we are using it all today.

We need a technicolour dream coat dude. "

Exactly this..

It is imperative Germany's storage is filled for Winter for our sake. We should be, like France and Germany, doing everything we can to facilitate it - otherwise, if it's a cold Winter we're screwed.

And it is because we're using it today. 15% consumption needs cutting to give enough to store. We're not supporting this and it will be used against us later.

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24


"LNG ships Dock at UK terminals which is offloaded, converted back to Gas and transferred via Holland to Germany regularly as we can't store, yet I see no UPROAR?

Why would there be, what's that got to do with British people being told to economise resulting in gas they've saved going to the EU ?

You're right, you are completely baffled.

You might want to do some reading before making uninformed comments on what is fact. Unfortunately, your at the end of very a long pecking line, so you'll be affected first if supply shakes.

I'd suggest writing to your government and ask what plans they have with the UK to maintain supply at a critical period.

Oh, hang on.. you don't actualky have a government!!"

Really ?

I guess you're still baffled lol

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By *rFunBoy OP   Man
over a year ago

Longridge

Yawn..

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By *oolpinstripeMan
over a year ago

Kildare


"Unfortunately, the bulk of your Gas passes through the UK..

If we're low, there's no guarantee you'll keep the lights on as your Government recently admitted being caught with their mighty trousers down.

"

No, it doesn’t ....about 35% comes from the UK. We have our gas field, and a fair smattering of wind generated power. Regardless, the EU is still not a single entity.

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By *rFunBoy OP   Man
over a year ago

Longridge


"Unfortunately, the bulk of your Gas passes through the UK..

If we're low, there's no guarantee you'll keep the lights on as your Government recently admitted being caught with their mighty trousers down.

No, it doesn’t ....about 35% comes from the UK. We have our gas field, and a fair smattering of wind generated power. Regardless, the EU is still not a single entity."

On a cold, dark winters night - The UK can't supply this 35% - what happens then?

Can Ireland keep going with a 35% loss of input?

Or do you stick pipes up cows backsides and hope for the best..

35% is over a third.

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By *oolpinstripeMan
over a year ago

Kildare


"Unfortunately, the bulk of your Gas passes through the UK..

If we're low, there's no guarantee you'll keep the lights on as your Government recently admitted being caught with their mighty trousers down.

No, it doesn’t ....about 35% comes from the UK. We have our gas field, and a fair smattering of wind generated power. Regardless, the EU is still not a single entity.

On a cold, dark winters night - The UK can't supply this 35% - what happens then?

Can Ireland keep going with a 35% loss of input?

Or do you stick pipes up cows backsides and hope for the best..

35% is over a third."

No, we burn turf, lots of it, and have done and will do for a while yet, despite what the Greens might tell you.

We’ll be fine, worry about your own situation, I’m certain your new King and Rees Mogg and Truss will have the answer.

Oh, and by the way, the EU is still not a country.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"LNG ships Dock at UK terminals which is offloaded, converted back to Gas and transferred via Holland to Germany regularly as we can't store, yet I see no UPROAR?

Why would there be, what's that got to do with British people being told to economise resulting in gas they've saved going to the EU ?

You're right, you are completely baffled.is the point more around what happens in the winter.

We need gas. But there is not enough stored in Germany.

The countries are almost irrelevant. We arent stroking what we need tomorrow partly (maybe) because we are using it all today.

We need a technicolour dream coat dude.

Exactly this..

It is imperative Germany's storage is filled for Winter for our sake. We should be, like France and Germany, doing everything we can to facilitate it - otherwise, if it's a cold Winter we're screwed.

And it is because we're using it today. 15% consumption needs cutting to give enough to store. We're not supporting this and it will be used against us later."

I cannot comment on what the French are doing but here in Germany they are shitting bricks as to what will happen this winter.

You say that it is imperative that Germany's storage is filled. What storage?

For years Merkel went against advice and put all her eggs in Putin's basket. With one pipe under the Baltic up and running and another due to open Germany didn't need storage, so hardly any was built.

Same thing happened with LPG. Germany didn't need it (or so Merkel thought) so no terminals were built to receive it. The gas from British terminals coming to Germany has nothing to do with British storage (or lack of it). It is German bought gas that Britain is helping to deliver because Germany has no facilities to receive it.

Now the government here are frantically trying to catch up.

Three new LPG terminals are under construction but won't be ready until the new year and new storage facilities are being built. But nowhere near enough and nowhere near in time.

Britain is in the fortunate position that it has a lot of its own gas. Germany has none and will have to scratch around to buy gas from wherever it can and I'm sure some of that will come from Britain.

In the meantime we can only hope that the events of the last week or so in Ukraine will change something.

If not, which seems the more likely outcome in the short term, then Germany is in serious danger of the lights going out in the first half of the coming winter.

Britain may have problems but the situation here is potentially much worse.

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By *uwwwMan
over a year ago

south birmingham


"The EU is planning drastic rationing and reductions in energy usage, especially electricity due to the high consumption of gas to produce it.

Yet, here, its business as usual with bo conservation right now and no plans or warnings to go easy to allow storage facilities in the EU to be filled a d preserved.

Is it "wing and a prayer" or has they found a secret stash of gas somewhere?

The EU know they have to cut electricity consumption drastically this winter, why not here?

"

but is the same here, why do you think the price is so much higher? its so consumers do all the work of reducing use and sorting alternative energy all while the oil and gas boys get a nice fat cheque off us taxpayers. government and gas/oil friends can just sit back and chill. its no big surprise all of this, we should have had secure, clean energy sorted decades ago but money takes priority and nothing gets done, even now. its all bollocks and we're all pretty much fucked!

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By *rFunBoy OP   Man
over a year ago

Longridge


"The EU is planning drastic rationing and reductions in energy usage, especially electricity due to the high consumption of gas to produce it.

Yet, here, its business as usual with bo conservation right now and no plans or warnings to go easy to allow storage facilities in the EU to be filled a d preserved.

Is it "wing and a prayer" or has they found a secret stash of gas somewhere?

The EU know they have to cut electricity consumption drastically this winter, why not here?

but is the same here, why do you think the price is so much higher? its so consumers do all the work of reducing use and sorting alternative energy all while the oil and gas boys get a nice fat cheque off us taxpayers. government and gas/oil friends can just sit back and chill. its no big surprise all of this, we should have had secure, clean energy sorted decades ago but money takes priority and nothing gets done, even now. its all bollocks and we're all pretty much fucked!"

There sure is going to be a lot of self rationing, although someone I know uses 150kw/day at home, has cancelled plans to mothball the Jacuzzi and Swimming pool now electricity and gas is a much better price. So, not much cutting down there.

TBH, as it stands, I have three sources of electricity and two sources of fuel for boiler, worst case being using one of the 14 Butane bottles in a gas heater.

I've pretty much given up, sayer of doom, people assume I'm nuts but just like a car - if it runs out of fuel then it stops regardless of where you are. This exactly the same for Gas supply for electricity. If for any reason Gas supply is at risk, generation must stop to prevent damage.

If that happens, Grid supply will quickly crash, especially if 75% electricity I'd from it.

As you say, government had many years to plan for today, they have been complacent and negligent for the last 20 years.

7 years ago, 60% generation was from coal, now we're max'd out at 5%. All the clips on TV of them being blown up one by one.

Roll on Spring!! It's already getting cold and had heaters on today.

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