FabSwingers.com forum: Canada spy smuggling allegations

By *otMe66 OP Man
over a year ago

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Allegations that a Canadian spy trafficked Shamima Begum into Syria, are to be investigated, says Justin Trudeau.

I can believe the Canadian government paid or used traffickers on the ground to source information, it is a well known tactic employed by governments all around the world.

Does this make the trafficker a spy for Canada or an informer playing both sides for pay? Is there a difference?

This story was made public by Shamima Begum's lawyer who is challenging the removal of her UK citizenship. It seems her lawyer wants to pin Shamima Begum's decision to travel to Syria and join IS on a person who she used facilitate her decision.

I personally don't think this new event will reverse the decision to remove her citizenship. I think it might find some support from a few, but it will not change the decision of the UK government.

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol

Just another spin on her trying to get her uk citizenship back

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

An informer profiting from both sides.

The whole “spy” bit is a bit sensationalist.

Doesn’t make any difference to her situation in my opinion.

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By *otMe66 OP Man
over a year ago

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"An informer profiting from both sides.

The whole “spy” bit is a bit sensationalist.

Doesn’t make any difference to her situation in my opinion. "

I'm rather surprised Justin Trudeau is even entering into dialogue on this matter. I would have thought the best thing to do would be to assign a spokesperson to roll out the usual, we will not comment on....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My understanding is that the Canadian authorities knew this was happening at the time. I would say it does make a difference that an agent for another country helped to smuggle a child into Syria.

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By *otMe66 OP Man
over a year ago

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"My understanding is that the Canadian authorities knew this was happening at the time. I would say it does make a difference that an agent for another country helped to smuggle a child into Syria. "

The Canadians were given the details of the people the trafficker smuggled into Syria once they had made it into Syria, by the trafficker.

The trafficker is a chancer, being paid to smuggle and then passing on the details to try and get asylum, how would that be an agent of Canada.

A criminal yes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My understanding is that the Canadian authorities knew this was happening at the time. I would say it does make a difference that an agent for another country helped to smuggle a child into Syria.

The Canadians were given the details of the people the trafficker smuggled into Syria once they had made it into Syria, by the trafficker.

The trafficker is a chancer, being paid to smuggle and then passing on the details to try and get asylum, how would that be an agent of Canada.

A criminal yes."

Well that is what the Canadian authorities are currently investigating as to what they knew and when so at the moment it's all rather unclear. I would still say that he is guilty of trafficking children.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My understanding is that the Canadian authorities knew this was happening at the time. I would say it does make a difference that an agent for another country helped to smuggle a child into Syria.

The Canadians were given the details of the people the trafficker smuggled into Syria once they had made it into Syria, by the trafficker.

The trafficker is a chancer, being paid to smuggle and then passing on the details to try and get asylum, how would that be an agent of Canada.

A criminal yes."

I would just like to add it is being reported across several news networks as a Canadian agent.

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By *otMe66 OP Man
over a year ago

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"My understanding is that the Canadian authorities knew this was happening at the time. I would say it does make a difference that an agent for another country helped to smuggle a child into Syria.

The Canadians were given the details of the people the trafficker smuggled into Syria once they had made it into Syria, by the trafficker.

The trafficker is a chancer, being paid to smuggle and then passing on the details to try and get asylum, how would that be an agent of Canada.

A criminal yes.

I would just like to add it is being reported across several news networks as a Canadian agent. "

I agree with you that he is a trafficker, children and anything else I would imagine.

A spy working for Canada, sounds like sensationalism to put the pressure on, with the aim of getting Shamima Begum's UK citizenship back.

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

From what I can gather the guy was a people trafficker who turned snitch so he was hardly 007

Also, having made it all the way to Turkey did she just happen to bump into an ISIS trafficker? Or was this part of the arrangement?

And I've crossed that border into Syria and its pretty chaotic with lots of money changing hands

Anyway I'm still of the opinion that she committed her crimes in Syria so that's where she should face justice. If only for the poor victims to be able to witness her paying for her crimes

You really have to wonder what the BBC could have been spending licence payers money on instead of months of investigating and trying to help a woman who praised the Manchester bombings

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"My understanding is that the Canadian authorities knew this was happening at the time. I would say it does make a difference that an agent for another country helped to smuggle a child into Syria.

The Canadians were given the details of the people the trafficker smuggled into Syria once they had made it into Syria, by the trafficker.

The trafficker is a chancer, being paid to smuggle and then passing on the details to try and get asylum, how would that be an agent of Canada.

A criminal yes.

I would just like to add it is being reported across several news networks as a Canadian agent. "

If that proves to be true then maybe Canada should give her citizenship

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"Allegations that a Canadian spy trafficked Shamima Begum into Syria, are to be investigated, says Justin Trudeau.

I can believe the Canadian government paid or used traffickers on the ground to source information, it is a well known tactic employed by governments all around the world.

Does this make the trafficker a spy for Canada or an informer playing both sides for pay? Is there a difference?

I personally don't think this new event will reverse the decision to remove her citizenship. I think it might find some support from a few, but it will not change the decision of the UK government.

I agree on the misrepresentation of it being a Canadian "spy". There would be some discussions to be had if Canadian intelligence knew of her smuggling before the event and did not inform the UK or prevent it themselves.

I still don't agree with making anybody stateless. She has not actually got any other citizenship.

She is our responsibility and we should try her and imprison her as nobody else has any intention of doing so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Media are calling the man a spy. At most he would be an informant as he was simply supplying information for money despite clearly still recruiting for a hostile organization. A real spy would be workong directly for the Canadian government and not for themselves.

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By *otMe66 OP Man
over a year ago

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"Allegations that a Canadian spy trafficked Shamima Begum into Syria, are to be investigated, says Justin Trudeau.

I can believe the Canadian government paid or used traffickers on the ground to source information, it is a well known tactic employed by governments all around the world.

Does this make the trafficker a spy for Canada or an informer playing both sides for pay? Is there a difference?

I personally don't think this new event will reverse the decision to remove her citizenship. I think it might find some support from a few, but it will not change the decision of the UK government.

I still don't agree with making anybody stateless. She has not actually got any other citizenship.

She is our responsibility and we should try her and imprison her as nobody else has any intention of doing so."

Her standing trial is an interesting point.

The UK government, Javid, said nobody would allow her to return, if they knew what he know about her.

This to me indicates she has been involved in wrong doing and the likelihood is, it would have been in Syria. If she has committed crimes there, she should stand trial there in my opinion.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"Allegations that a Canadian spy trafficked Shamima Begum into Syria, are to be investigated, says Justin Trudeau.

I can believe the Canadian government paid or used traffickers on the ground to source information, it is a well known tactic employed by governments all around the world.

Does this make the trafficker a spy for Canada or an informer playing both sides for pay? Is there a difference?

I personally don't think this new event will reverse the decision to remove her citizenship. I think it might find some support from a few, but it will not change the decision of the UK government.

I still don't agree with making anybody stateless. She has not actually got any other citizenship.

She is our responsibility and we should try her and imprison her as nobody else has any intention of doing so.

Her standing trial is an interesting point.

The UK government, Javid, said nobody would allow her to return, if they knew what he know about her.

This to me indicates she has been involved in wrong doing and the likelihood is, it would have been in Syria. If she has committed crimes there, she should stand trial there in my opinion. "

Making someone stateless without any transparent explanation and evidence is just as bad.

That is the state taking arbitrary action against a citizen without due process. That could happen to anyone. Things cannot be done on the basis that the Government will always have our best interests in mind and never makes mistakes.

There is no prosecution being brought in Syria.

So, in that case she has to come back, but if that is the case she must also be prosecuted.

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By *otMe66 OP Man
over a year ago

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"Allegations that a Canadian spy trafficked Shamima Begum into Syria, are to be investigated, says Justin Trudeau.

I can believe the Canadian government paid or used traffickers on the ground to source information, it is a well known tactic employed by governments all around the world.

Does this make the trafficker a spy for Canada or an informer playing both sides for pay? Is there a difference?

I personally don't think this new event will reverse the decision to remove her citizenship. I think it might find some support from a few, but it will not change the decision of the UK government.

I still don't agree with making anybody stateless. She has not actually got any other citizenship.

She is our responsibility and we should try her and imprison her as nobody else has any intention of doing so.

Her standing trial is an interesting point.

The UK government, Javid, said nobody would allow her to return, if they knew what he know about her.

This to me indicates she has been involved in wrong doing and the likelihood is, it would have been in Syria. If she has committed crimes there, she should stand trial there in my opinion.

Making someone stateless without any transparent explanation and evidence is just as bad.

There is no prosecution being brought in Syria.

So, in that case she has to come back, but if that is the case she must also be prosecuted."

Is the evidence and admissions not suffice to act in the countries best interests, by removing her citizenship?

This is not the first time UK citizenship would have been removed from a person, there are approx 120 others.

I guess my question to you would be, What benefit would be had by reinstating her citizenship or putting her on trial here, what would the country gain from this?

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