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"We are told that when these people get in the dinghies, they get rid of all ID, documents, mobile phones. They arrive with nothing. Is this right? If I rocked up on a French beach with nothing I wouldn’t last very long. What would / could I do? I have a friend that lives in the south of France but would have no way of contacting him. " We are told this. Howeve I don't know if it is true or not. Assuming they are, I'd guess the implication is they are building a false story about who they are to claim asylum. If so, if you are going to France by dinghy and dumping yr stuff the way are, then you may be doing it for the same reasons. So cam I suggest going to the authorities and claiming asylum? Another reason for dumping phones is because they are told to by the human trafficers that thrive due to our catch 22 asylum laws. | |||
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"We are told that when these people get in the dinghies, they get rid of all ID, documents, mobile phones. They arrive with nothing. Is this right? If I rocked up on a French beach with nothing I wouldn’t last very long. What would / could I do? I have a friend that lives in the south of France but would have no way of contacting him. " ‘Who’ told you this happens? | |||
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"If you rocked up you'd probably be arrested having no documents have to prove who you are me personally I'd just send you back to the shore and tell you to swim back and fetch them." And if they refused? | |||
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"If you rocked up you'd probably be arrested having no documents have to prove who you are me personally I'd just send you back to the shore and tell you to swim back and fetch them. And if they refused? " shoot the twats how dare they refuse. | |||
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"If you rocked up you'd probably be arrested having no documents have to prove who you are me personally I'd just send you back to the shore and tell you to swim back and fetch them. And if they refused? shoot the twats how dare they refuse." Ah right, just like the nazis did with the Jews? How many would you kill? Would you shoot the women and children last? | |||
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"If you rocked up you'd probably be arrested having no documents have to prove who you are me personally I'd just send you back to the shore and tell you to swim back and fetch them. And if they refused? " He.. He refused | |||
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"If you rocked up you'd probably be arrested having no documents have to prove who you are me personally I'd just send you back to the shore and tell you to swim back and fetch them. And if they refused? He.. He refused " Ah yes, thanks for correcting my error whilst ignoring the poster who suggested shooting ‘him’  | |||
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"We are told that when these people get in the dinghies, they get rid of all ID, documents, mobile phones. They arrive with nothing. Is this right? If I rocked up on a French beach with nothing I wouldn’t last very long. What would / could I do? I have a friend that lives in the south of France but would have no way of contacting him. " Is he called Varg Vikernes by any chance? | |||
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"We are told that when these people get in the dinghies, they get rid of all ID, documents, mobile phones. They arrive with nothing. Is this right? If I rocked up on a French beach with nothing I wouldn’t last very long. What would / could I do? I have a friend that lives in the south of France but would have no way of contacting him. Is he called Varg Vikernes by any chance?" Holy shit, never expected someone to reference that shithead Varg on this forum LOL | |||
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"If you rocked up you'd probably be arrested having no documents have to prove who you are me personally I'd just send you back to the shore and tell you to swim back and fetch them. And if they refused? He.. He refused Ah yes, thanks for correcting my error whilst ignoring the poster who suggested shooting ‘him’ "I read the shooting him as more of a quip, didn't you? | |||
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"If you rocked up you'd probably be arrested having no documents have to prove who you are me personally I'd just send you back to the shore and tell you to swim back and fetch them. And if they refused? He.. He refused Ah yes, thanks for correcting my error whilst ignoring the poster who suggested shooting ‘him’
I read the shooting him as more of a quip, didn't you? "Who knows? It isn’t the first time he has made these types of ‘quips’  | |||
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"If you rocked up you'd probably be arrested having no documents have to prove who you are me personally I'd just send you back to the shore and tell you to swim back and fetch them. And if they refused? shoot the twats how dare they refuse. Ah right, just like the nazis did with the Jews? How many would you kill? Would you shoot the women and children last? " as many as it took yes woman and children why wouldn't I there all illegal no difference between them. | |||
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"If you rocked up you'd probably be arrested having no documents have to prove who you are me personally I'd just send you back to the shore and tell you to swim back and fetch them. And if they refused? shoot the twats how dare they refuse. Ah right, just like the nazis did with the Jews? How many would you kill? Would you shoot the women and children last? as many as it took yes woman and children why wouldn't I there all illegal no difference between them." I see, would you shoot them on the beach or take them to special camps to be shot? | |||
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"When they search them they put those they've searched back in with others yet to be searched. Pretty clear risk of firearms being smuggled in but hey can't raise objections because it would make us waysist." That sounds like worry, is there any evidence they are bringing in firearms? Do you think they should be shot ? | |||
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"If you rocked up you'd probably be arrested having no documents have to prove who you are me personally I'd just send you back to the shore and tell you to swim back and fetch them. And if they refused? He.. He refused Ah yes, thanks for correcting my error whilst ignoring the poster who suggested shooting ‘him’
I read the shooting him as more of a quip, didn't you?
Who knows? It isn’t the first time he has made these types of ‘quips’ "I will hold my hands up to getting this completely wrong. | |||
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"If you rocked up you'd probably be arrested having no documents have to prove who you are me personally I'd just send you back to the shore and tell you to swim back and fetch them. And if they refused? shoot the twats how dare they refuse. Ah right, just like the nazis did with the Jews? How many would you kill? Would you shoot the women and children last? as many as it took yes woman and children why wouldn't I there all illegal no difference between them. I see, would you shoot them on the beach or take them to special camps to be shot? " leave them where they fell for others to see and keeps the seagulls of are ice creams. | |||
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"If you rocked up you'd probably be arrested having no documents have to prove who you are me personally I'd just send you back to the shore and tell you to swim back and fetch them. And if they refused? He.. He refused Ah yes, thanks for correcting my error whilst ignoring the poster who suggested shooting ‘him’
I read the shooting him as more of a quip, didn't you?
Who knows? It isn’t the first time he has made these types of ‘quips’
I will hold my hands up to getting this completely wrong."Don’t worry, he has previous, I feel really sorry for him, poor fella  | |||
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"If you rocked up you'd probably be arrested having no documents have to prove who you are me personally I'd just send you back to the shore and tell you to swim back and fetch them. And if they refused? shoot the twats how dare they refuse. Ah right, just like the nazis did with the Jews? How many would you kill? Would you shoot the women and children last? as many as it took yes woman and children why wouldn't I there all illegal no difference between them. I see, would you shoot them on the beach or take them to special camps to be shot? leave them where they fell for others to see and keeps the seagulls of are ice creams." Ah right, would you be willing to do the shooting? Not sure you would get the police or the army to do it as it’s illegal | |||
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"We are told that when these people get in the dinghies, they get rid of all ID, documents, mobile phones. They arrive with nothing. Is this right? If I rocked up on a French beach with nothing I wouldn’t last very long. What would / could I do? I have a friend that lives in the south of France but would have no way of contacting him. " Why do they do this? I am guessing they destroy ID as it may show their home is not a risk but why destroy their phones | |||
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"Why do they do this? I am guessing they destroy ID as it may show their home is not a risk but why destroy their phones" Most cellphones track movement these days. Pretty hard to say you came from X country when your phone shows you being in another country. | |||
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"Why do they do this? I am guessing they destroy ID as it may show their home is not a risk but why destroy their phones Most cellphones track movement these days. Pretty hard to say you came from X country when your phone shows you being in another country." Ok that makes sense. It seem odd to through a phone overboard but I see why they do it if they are making false claims. | |||
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"Why do they do this? I am guessing they destroy ID as it may show their home is not a risk but why destroy their phones Most cellphones track movement these days. Pretty hard to say you came from X country when your phone shows you being in another country. Ok that makes sense. It seem odd to through a phone overboard but I see why they do it if they are making false claims. " phones is likely to hide evidence of trafficking. | |||
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"Why do they do this? I am guessing they destroy ID as it may show their home is not a risk but why destroy their phones Most cellphones track movement these days. Pretty hard to say you came from X country when your phone shows you being in another country. Ok that makes sense. It seem odd to through a phone overboard but I see why they do it if they are making false claims. phones is likely to hide evidence of trafficking. " Yep another good reason to Chuck them in the sea | |||
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"Given destroying documents is illegal ..." Is it? Under which law? | |||
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"Given destroying documents is illegal ... Is it? Under which law?" s2 of the asylum and immigration (treqtment of claimants) act 2004 A labour/Blair law (Apparently) | |||
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"Given destroying documents is illegal ..." "Is it?" "Under which law?" "s2 of the asylum and immigration (treqtment of claimants) act 2004 A labour/Blair law (Apparently)" Thanks. It's nice to find someone that's willing to back up their statements. Section 2 of the Asylum and Immigration (Treatment of Claimants, etc. ) Act 2004 makes it an offence to attend an asylum interview without being in possession of valid travel documents. This means that the actual destruction of the documents isn't an offence, but claiming asylum without them is an offence. However s2(4)c provides a defence of having "a reasonable excuse for not being in possession" of such documents, e.g. 'someone took them from me'. s2(4)e provides a further defence of not having had documents "at any stage since he set out on the journey". So unless the CPS has video evidence of the person showing his ID to the camera, and then destroying it, they wouldn't be able to prosecute a case. Seems like a bit of a pointless law to me. | |||
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"Given destroying documents is illegal ... Is it? Under which law? s2 of the asylum and immigration (treqtment of claimants) act 2004 A labour/Blair law (Apparently) Thanks. It's nice to find someone that's willing to back up their statements. Section 2 of the Asylum and Immigration (Treatment of Claimants, etc. ) Act 2004 makes it an offence to attend an asylum interview without being in possession of valid travel documents. This means that the actual destruction of the documents isn't an offence, but claiming asylum without them is an offence. However s2(4)c provides a defence of having "a reasonable excuse for not being in possession" of such documents, e.g. 'someone took them from me'. s2(4)e provides a further defence of not having had documents "at any stage since he set out on the journey". So unless the CPS has video evidence of the person showing his ID to the camera, and then destroying it, they wouldn't be able to prosecute a case. Seems like a bit of a pointless law to me." Not entirely, if documentation was produced at any point on the migration route, it would be evidence documentation existed, as long as that documentation was recorded, such as a failed asylum request in another country. | |||
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"Given destroying documents is illegal ... Is it? Under which law? s2 of the asylum and immigration (treqtment of claimants) act 2004 A labour/Blair law (Apparently) Thanks. It's nice to find someone that's willing to back up their statements. Section 2 of the Asylum and Immigration (Treatment of Claimants, etc. ) Act 2004 makes it an offence to attend an asylum interview without being in possession of valid travel documents. This means that the actual destruction of the documents isn't an offence, but claiming asylum without them is an offence. However s2(4)c provides a defence of having "a reasonable excuse for not being in possession" of such documents, e.g. 'someone took them from me'. s2(4)e provides a further defence of not having had documents "at any stage since he set out on the journey". So unless the CPS has video evidence of the person showing his ID to the camera, and then destroying it, they wouldn't be able to prosecute a case. Seems like a bit of a pointless law to me." yeah, not am expert. Just what i found when doing some digging. Because there a difference between believong this is happening and there being evidence. Its Also interesting in thinking about what is needed to establish a case without ID. How much of a story do you need ? I'd assume we can determine region in most cases .... I mean, it's not difficult to place someone within 50 miles on the UK by accent. So it must be their individual story. | |||
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"Section 2 of the Asylum and Immigration (Treatment of Claimants, etc. ) Act 2004 makes it an offence to attend an asylum interview without being in possession of valid travel documents. This means that the actual destruction of the documents isn't an offence, but claiming asylum without them is an offence. However s2(4)c provides a defence of having "a reasonable excuse for not being in possession" of such documents, e.g. 'someone took them from me'. s2(4)e provides a further defence of not having had documents "at any stage since he set out on the journey". So unless the CPS has video evidence of the person showing his ID to the camera, and then destroying it, they wouldn't be able to prosecute a case. Seems like a bit of a pointless law to me." "Not entirely, if documentation was produced at any point on the migration route, it would be evidence documentation existed, as long as that documentation was recorded, such as a failed asylum request in another country." I think the law is aimed at those people that destroy their documents so that they can claim to be someone else. If they are giving false details, we wouldn't be able to find evidence of them going through another country. | |||
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"Section 2 of the Asylum and Immigration (Treatment of Claimants, etc. ) Act 2004 makes it an offence to attend an asylum interview without being in possession of valid travel documents. This means that the actual destruction of the documents isn't an offence, but claiming asylum without them is an offence. However s2(4)c provides a defence of having "a reasonable excuse for not being in possession" of such documents, e.g. 'someone took them from me'. s2(4)e provides a further defence of not having had documents "at any stage since he set out on the journey". So unless the CPS has video evidence of the person showing his ID to the camera, and then destroying it, they wouldn't be able to prosecute a case. Seems like a bit of a pointless law to me. Not entirely, if documentation was produced at any point on the migration route, it would be evidence documentation existed, as long as that documentation was recorded, such as a failed asylum request in another country. I think the law is aimed at those people that destroy their documents so that they can claim to be someone else. If they are giving false details, we wouldn't be able to find evidence of them going through another country." I understand that which is why the law exists to deter the destruction of documentation. However, with face recognition it should be very easy to find a person who has been processed elsewhere? It breaks down if no attempt has been made for asylum and no checkpoints recorded or passed. | |||
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"Because there a difference between believing this is happening and there being evidence." I've seen a video of a boat full of people, where you can see them dropping passport-sized objects overboard as their rescue vessel approaches. It's nowhere near enough evidence to support a prosecution, but it's very suspicious. Of course seeing a single video of 2 dozen people does not mean that it happens all the time. | |||
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"Because there a difference between believing this is happening and there being evidence. I've seen a video of a boat full of people, where you can see them dropping passport-sized objects overboard as their rescue vessel approaches. It's nowhere near enough evidence to support a prosecution, but it's very suspicious. Of course seeing a single video of 2 dozen people does not mean that it happens all the time." I accept that it probably doea happen on occasions. I'd imagine that phones are very likely destroyed as they probably have evidence of trafficking. I'd also imagine some used to do it to avoid being caught by Dublin rules. Not that they need to worry. However I would need some more evidence to believe everyone is doing it because many applications are false. If that is the case, and ppl are getting thru asylum when they shouldn't, at what point do we look at our processes? I'd love to know the stories people feel the "boat people" are making up versus their actual background. | |||
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"If you rocked up you'd probably be arrested having no documents have to prove who you are me personally I'd just send you back to the shore and tell you to swim back and fetch them. And if they refused? shoot the twats how dare they refuse. Ah right, just like the nazis did with the Jews? How many would you kill? Would you shoot the women and children last? as many as it took yes woman and children why wouldn't I there all illegal no difference between them. I see, would you shoot them on the beach or take them to special camps to be shot? leave them where they fell for others to see and keeps the seagulls of are ice creams. Ah right, would you be willing to do the shooting? Not sure you would get the police or the army to do it as it’s illegal " yeah definitely they could pay us or I'd do it for free if they supplied the ammunition. | |||
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"If you rocked up you'd probably be arrested having no documents have to prove who you are me personally I'd just send you back to the shore and tell you to swim back and fetch them. And if they refused? He.. He refused Ah yes, thanks for correcting my error whilst ignoring the poster who suggested shooting ‘him’
I read the shooting him as more of a quip, didn't you?
Who knows? It isn’t the first time he has made these types of ‘quips’
I will hold my hands up to getting this completely wrong.
Don’t worry, he has previous, I feel really sorry for him, poor fella "told you before don't feel sorry for me unlike you I have loads of friends poor thing  | |||
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"Because there a difference between believing this is happening and there being evidence. I've seen a video of a boat full of people, where you can see them dropping passport-sized objects overboard as their rescue vessel approaches. It's nowhere near enough evidence to support a prosecution, but it's very suspicious. Of course seeing a single video of 2 dozen people does not mean that it happens all the time." The video I saw a guy in the dingy was using the phone and then just threw it into the sea as the coast guard approached. Like you I do not claim everyone does it but clearly it is being done | |||
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"Because there a difference between believing this is happening and there being evidence. I've seen a video of a boat full of people, where you can see them dropping passport-sized objects overboard as their rescue vessel approaches. It's nowhere near enough evidence to support a prosecution, but it's very suspicious. Of course seeing a single video of 2 dozen people does not mean that it happens all the time. The video I saw a guy in the dingy was using the phone and then just threw it into the sea as the coast guard approached. Like you I do not claim everyone does it but clearly it is being done" did you see him throw a passport too? | |||
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"Because there a difference between believing this is happening and there being evidence. I've seen a video of a boat full of people, where you can see them dropping passport-sized objects overboard as their rescue vessel approaches. It's nowhere near enough evidence to support a prosecution, but it's very suspicious. Of course seeing a single video of 2 dozen people does not mean that it happens all the time. The video I saw a guy in the dingy was using the phone and then just threw it into the sea as the coast guard approached. Like you I do not claim everyone does it but clearly it is being donedid you see him throw a passport too? " On the clip I saw, it was just the phone right after he used it. They may not have shown it all so can't confirm about his passport or if he was in possession of one at the time. | |||
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"Because there a difference between believing this is happening and there being evidence. I've seen a video of a boat full of people, where you can see them dropping passport-sized objects overboard as their rescue vessel approaches. It's nowhere near enough evidence to support a prosecution, but it's very suspicious. Of course seeing a single video of 2 dozen people does not mean that it happens all the time. The video I saw a guy in the dingy was using the phone and then just threw it into the sea as the coast guard approached. Like you I do not claim everyone does it but clearly it is being donedid you see him throw a passport too? On the clip I saw, it was just the phone right after he used it. They may not have shown it all so can't confirm about his passport or if he was in possession of one at the time."
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