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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? " Another post about a group of foreigners and is detrimental in they way it is worded... colour me shocked | |||
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"What's your specific problem with Albanians? As for the second point you might want to check your maths send ten of what back and back to where?" I have no specific problem with Albanians. I’ve been there twice, very fond memories of meeting some lovely people. I’ve checked the math. Ten illegal migrants for every one that lands here. | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? Another post about a group of foreigners and is detrimental in they way it is worded... colour me shocked" You have no concerns about unidentified illegal people arriving here then I take it? | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? Another post about a group of foreigners and is detrimental in they way it is worded... colour me shocked You have no concerns about unidentified illegal people arriving here then I take it? " I have to ask. If they're unidentified how do you know 40% are Albanian? | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian." Which figures are these? | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. Which figures are these?" Immigration watch | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? Another post about a group of foreigners and is detrimental in they way it is worded... colour me shocked You have no concerns about unidentified illegal people arriving here then I take it? " We discussed that in the MANY other threads you made about immigration. No person is illegal. Referring to them as such is degrading and unnecessary. I have no issue with the Immigration itself. The net effect has always been a positive for the UK. | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? Another post about a group of foreigners and is detrimental in they way it is worded... colour me shocked You have no concerns about unidentified illegal people arriving here then I take it? I have to ask. If they're unidentified how do you know 40% are Albanian?" Border force sleuths doing their job. | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? Another post about a group of foreigners and is detrimental in they way it is worded... colour me shocked You have no concerns about unidentified illegal people arriving here then I take it? I have to ask. If they're unidentified how do you know 40% are Albanian? Border force sleuths doing their job." Erm. So why are the sleuths letting them through? | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? Another post about a group of foreigners and is detrimental in they way it is worded... colour me shocked You have no concerns about unidentified illegal people arriving here then I take it? We discussed that in the MANY other threads you made about immigration. No person is illegal. Referring to them as such is degrading and unnecessary. I have no issue with the Immigration itself. The net effect has always been a positive for the UK." I have no issue with immigration itself. To pretend there are never negative issues are naive in the extreme. Look at Brexit as one example. | |||
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"What's your specific problem with Albanians? As for the second point you might want to check your maths send ten of what back and back to where? I have no specific problem with Albanians. I’ve been there twice, very fond memories of meeting some lovely people. I’ve checked the math. Ten illegal migrants for every one that lands here." You implied with your 40% being Albanian that it was the problem for you As for the 10 is it ten Albanians? Where are you sending them back to? | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? Another post about a group of foreigners and is detrimental in they way it is worded... colour me shocked You have no concerns about unidentified illegal people arriving here then I take it? I have to ask. If they're unidentified how do you know 40% are Albanian? Border force sleuths doing their job. Erm. So why are the sleuths letting them through?" Because that’s what we do. | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? Another post about a group of foreigners and is detrimental in they way it is worded... colour me shocked You have no concerns about unidentified illegal people arriving here then I take it? I have to ask. If they're unidentified how do you know 40% are Albanian? Border force sleuths doing their job. Erm. So why are the sleuths letting them through?" Good question. Another good question is how they get through the Schengen border. | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? Another post about a group of foreigners and is detrimental in they way it is worded... colour me shocked You have no concerns about unidentified illegal people arriving here then I take it? I have to ask. If they're unidentified how do you know 40% are Albanian? Border force sleuths doing their job. Erm. So why are the sleuths letting them through? Because that’s what we do. " I see. The sleuths know who's coming in illegally but they're doing nothing about it. How are they discovering nationality of these people? Do they interview them and then let them go? | |||
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"What's your specific problem with Albanians? As for the second point you might want to check your maths send ten of what back and back to where? I have no specific problem with Albanians. I’ve been there twice, very fond memories of meeting some lovely people. I’ve checked the math. Ten illegal migrants for every one that lands here. You implied with your 40% being Albanian that it was the problem for you As for the 10 is it ten Albanians? Where are you sending them back to?" It’s a concern as it should be to all that have the best interests of the UK at heart. I would send ten people that arrived in boats from France. I wouldn’t ask where they are from. | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. Which figures are these? Immigration watch" so i googled "Immigration watch UK" and nothing came up, do you mean Migration Watch UK? | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? Another post about a group of foreigners and is detrimental in they way it is worded... colour me shocked You have no concerns about unidentified illegal people arriving here then I take it? I have to ask. If they're unidentified how do you know 40% are Albanian? Border force sleuths doing their job. Erm. So why are the sleuths letting them through? Because that’s what we do. I see. The sleuths know who's coming in illegally but they're doing nothing about it. How are they discovering nationality of these people? Do they interview them and then let them go?" Yes. Shocking isn’t it? | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? Another post about a group of foreigners and is detrimental in they way it is worded... colour me shocked You have no concerns about unidentified illegal people arriving here then I take it? I have to ask. If they're unidentified how do you know 40% are Albanian? Border force sleuths doing their job. Erm. So why are the sleuths letting them through? Because that’s what we do. I see. The sleuths know who's coming in illegally but they're doing nothing about it. How are they discovering nationality of these people? Do they interview them and then let them go? Yes. Shocking isn’t it? " Hmm. I'm out. | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. Which figures are these? Immigration watch so i googled "Immigration watch UK" and nothing came up, do you mean Migration Watch UK?" a leaked military intelligence report.... | |||
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"What's your specific problem with Albanians? As for the second point you might want to check your maths send ten of what back and back to where? I have no specific problem with Albanians. I’ve been there twice, very fond memories of meeting some lovely people. I’ve checked the math. Ten illegal migrants for every one that lands here. You implied with your 40% being Albanian that it was the problem for you As for the 10 is it ten Albanians? Where are you sending them back to? It’s a concern as it should be to all that have the best interests of the UK at heart. I would send ten people that arrived in boats from France. I wouldn’t ask where they are from." Why is them being Albanian a concern? Where would you send them? So only people on boats?,All boats?? | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? " Why don’t you get down to these ‘landing ‘ beaches with your binoculars and sort this ‘problem’ out | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? Why don’t you get down to these ‘landing ‘ beaches with your binoculars and sort this ‘problem’ out " Are you with me? Not really our job of course but hey ho. They are a tough lot though. Even the Turks in my town are shit scared of them! | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? " I can't get as far as ten for one, but wouldn't it be great if we were in some kind of arrangement with other countries, where we could send some back if they should have had their case reviewed in another country which was part of the arrangement. That sounds like a vote winner to me. Oh. | |||
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"What's your specific problem with Albanians? As for the second point you might want to check your maths send ten of what back and back to where? I have no specific problem with Albanians. I’ve been there twice, very fond memories of meeting some lovely people. I’ve checked the math. Ten illegal migrants for every one that lands here. You implied with your 40% being Albanian that it was the problem for you As for the 10 is it ten Albanians? Where are you sending them back to? It’s a concern as it should be to all that have the best interests of the UK at heart. I would send ten people that arrived in boats from France. I wouldn’t ask where they are from. Why is them being Albanian a concern? Where would you send them? So only people on boats?,All boats?? " I think you are playing ‘the Devils avocado’ you tinker. You know as well as me that they are unlikely to be the brain surgeons, doctors , nurses etc that we need. It’s also unlikely that they would be happy working in a bar for minimum wage and renting a flat in London. You know I’m referring to the dinghies that cross the channel and it’s quite easy for you to work out that we should send them back to France. Perhaps I can go with them as I want to live in France but current rules make it tricky . | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? Why don’t you get down to these ‘landing ‘ beaches with your binoculars and sort this ‘problem’ out Are you with me? Not really our job of course but hey ho. They are a tough lot though. Even the Turks in my town are shit scared of them! " Do some thing about it then, ‘how many are you stopping’ ?  | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? Why don’t you get down to these ‘landing ‘ beaches with your binoculars and sort this ‘problem’ out Are you with me? Not really our job of course but hey ho. They are a tough lot though. Even the Turks in my town are shit scared of them! Do some thing about it then, ‘how many are you stopping’ ? "I would. Need your help though. And don’t forget, I have my good looks to preserve. | |||
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"What's your specific problem with Albanians? As for the second point you might want to check your maths send ten of what back and back to where? I have no specific problem with Albanians. I’ve been there twice, very fond memories of meeting some lovely people. I’ve checked the math. Ten illegal migrants for every one that lands here. You implied with your 40% being Albanian that it was the problem for you As for the 10 is it ten Albanians? Where are you sending them back to? It’s a concern as it should be to all that have the best interests of the UK at heart. I would send ten people that arrived in boats from France. I wouldn’t ask where they are from. Why is them being Albanian a concern? Where would you send them? So only people on boats?,All boats?? I think you are playing ‘the Devils avocado’ you tinker. You know as well as me that they are unlikely to be the brain surgeons, doctors , nurses etc that we need. It’s also unlikely that they would be happy working in a bar for minimum wage and renting a flat in London. You know I’m referring to the dinghies that cross the channel and it’s quite easy for you to work out that we should send them back to France. Perhaps I can go with them as I want to live in France but current rules make it tricky . " is claiming asylum harder in France than the UK then ? | |||
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"What's your specific problem with Albanians? As for the second point you might want to check your maths send ten of what back and back to where? I have no specific problem with Albanians. I’ve been there twice, very fond memories of meeting some lovely people. I’ve checked the math. Ten illegal migrants for every one that lands here. You implied with your 40% being Albanian that it was the problem for you As for the 10 is it ten Albanians? Where are you sending them back to? It’s a concern as it should be to all that have the best interests of the UK at heart. I would send ten people that arrived in boats from France. I wouldn’t ask where they are from. Why is them being Albanian a concern? Where would you send them? So only people on boats?,All boats?? I think you are playing ‘the Devils avocado’ you tinker. You know as well as me that they are unlikely to be the brain surgeons, doctors , nurses etc that we need. It’s also unlikely that they would be happy working in a bar for minimum wage and renting a flat in London. You know I’m referring to the dinghies that cross the channel and it’s quite easy for you to work out that we should send them back to France. Perhaps I can go with them as I want to live in France but current rules make it tricky . is claiming asylum harder in France than the UK then ?" I was raised to obey the law and tell the truth. | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? Why don’t you get down to these ‘landing ‘ beaches with your binoculars and sort this ‘problem’ out Are you with me? Not really our job of course but hey ho. They are a tough lot though. Even the Turks in my town are shit scared of them! Do some thing about it then, ‘how many are you stopping’ ?
I would. Need your help though. And don’t forget, I have my good looks to preserve. "Get down to the beaches with your binoculars, join Farage, do something about it | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian." "Which figures are these?" "Immigration watch" I assume you mean Migration Watch? I had a look through their site, and couldn't find the stat you quote. If you look at the official statistics released by the Home Office (https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/irregular-migration-to-the-uk-year-ending-march-2022) they show that, of the 4540 irregular entries in Q1 of this year, only 271 were Albanian. That's about 6%. Unless something very strange has happened since March, it looks like your initial post is incorrect. | |||
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"What's your specific problem with Albanians? As for the second point you might want to check your maths send ten of what back and back to where? I have no specific problem with Albanians. I’ve been there twice, very fond memories of meeting some lovely people. I’ve checked the math. Ten illegal migrants for every one that lands here. You implied with your 40% being Albanian that it was the problem for you As for the 10 is it ten Albanians? Where are you sending them back to? It’s a concern as it should be to all that have the best interests of the UK at heart. I would send ten people that arrived in boats from France. I wouldn’t ask where they are from. Why is them being Albanian a concern? Where would you send them? So only people on boats?,All boats?? I think you are playing ‘the Devils avocado’ you tinker. You know as well as me that they are unlikely to be the brain surgeons, doctors , nurses etc that we need. It’s also unlikely that they would be happy working in a bar for minimum wage and renting a flat in London. You know I’m referring to the dinghies that cross the channel and it’s quite easy for you to work out that we should send them back to France. Perhaps I can go with them as I want to live in France but current rules make it tricky . " Is that the reason you have a problem?, so you're ok with everyone else who crosses as long as they're not Albanians? How would we send them back to France? | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? Why don’t you get down to these ‘landing ‘ beaches with your binoculars and sort this ‘problem’ out Are you with me? Not really our job of course but hey ho. They are a tough lot though. Even the Turks in my town are shit scared of them! Do some thing about it then, ‘how many are you stopping’ ?
I would. Need your help though. And don’t forget, I have my good looks to preserve.
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"What's your specific problem with Albanians? As for the second point you might want to check your maths send ten of what back and back to where? I have no specific problem with Albanians. I’ve been there twice, very fond memories of meeting some lovely people. I’ve checked the math. Ten illegal migrants for every one that lands here. You implied with your 40% being Albanian that it was the problem for you As for the 10 is it ten Albanians? Where are you sending them back to? It’s a concern as it should be to all that have the best interests of the UK at heart. I would send ten people that arrived in boats from France. I wouldn’t ask where they are from. Why is them being Albanian a concern? Where would you send them? So only people on boats?,All boats?? I think you are playing ‘the Devils avocado’ you tinker. You know as well as me that they are unlikely to be the brain surgeons, doctors , nurses etc that we need. It’s also unlikely that they would be happy working in a bar for minimum wage and renting a flat in London. You know I’m referring to the dinghies that cross the channel and it’s quite easy for you to work out that we should send them back to France. Perhaps I can go with them as I want to live in France but current rules make it tricky . Is that the reason you have a problem?, so you're ok with everyone else who crosses as long as they're not Albanians? How would we send them back to France?" I don’t want anyone coming here by illegal means. I would be very mindful of spending tax payers money and I wish them no harm so I guess the safest & cheapest way of sending them back is the P&O ferry? I’ve used it many times and it’s great. | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? Another post about a group of foreigners and is detrimental in they way it is worded... colour me shocked You have no concerns about unidentified illegal people arriving here then I take it? I have to ask. If they're unidentified how do you know 40% are Albanian? Border force sleuths doing their job. Erm. So why are the sleuths letting them through?"  ....in the net!love it! | |||
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"What's your specific problem with Albanians? As for the second point you might want to check your maths send ten of what back and back to where? I have no specific problem with Albanians. I’ve been there twice, very fond memories of meeting some lovely people. I’ve checked the math. Ten illegal migrants for every one that lands here. You implied with your 40% being Albanian that it was the problem for you As for the 10 is it ten Albanians? Where are you sending them back to? It’s a concern as it should be to all that have the best interests of the UK at heart. I would send ten people that arrived in boats from France. I wouldn’t ask where they are from. Why is them being Albanian a concern? Where would you send them? So only people on boats?,All boats?? I think you are playing ‘the Devils avocado’ you tinker. You know as well as me that they are unlikely to be the brain surgeons, doctors , nurses etc that we need. It’s also unlikely that they would be happy working in a bar for minimum wage and renting a flat in London. You know I’m referring to the dinghies that cross the channel and it’s quite easy for you to work out that we should send them back to France. Perhaps I can go with them as I want to live in France but current rules make it tricky . Is that the reason you have a problem?, so you're ok with everyone else who crosses as long as they're not Albanians? How would we send them back to France? I don’t want anyone coming here by illegal means. I would be very mindful of spending tax payers money and I wish them no harm so I guess the safest & cheapest way of sending them back is the P&O ferry? I’ve used it many times and it’s great." What about the French? what if they say no? | |||
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"What's your specific problem with Albanians? As for the second point you might want to check your maths send ten of what back and back to where? I have no specific problem with Albanians. I’ve been there twice, very fond memories of meeting some lovely people. I’ve checked the math. Ten illegal migrants for every one that lands here. You implied with your 40% being Albanian that it was the problem for you As for the 10 is it ten Albanians? Where are you sending them back to? It’s a concern as it should be to all that have the best interests of the UK at heart. I would send ten people that arrived in boats from France. I wouldn’t ask where they are from. Why is them being Albanian a concern? Where would you send them? So only people on boats?,All boats?? I think you are playing ‘the Devils avocado’ you tinker. You know as well as me that they are unlikely to be the brain surgeons, doctors , nurses etc that we need. It’s also unlikely that they would be happy working in a bar for minimum wage and renting a flat in London. You know I’m referring to the dinghies that cross the channel and it’s quite easy for you to work out that we should send them back to France. Perhaps I can go with them as I want to live in France but current rules make it tricky . Is that the reason you have a problem?, so you're ok with everyone else who crosses as long as they're not Albanians? How would we send them back to France? I don’t want anyone coming here by illegal means. I would be very mindful of spending tax payers money and I wish them no harm so I guess the safest & cheapest way of sending them back is the P&O ferry? I’ve used it many times and it’s great. What about the French? what if they say no?" As much as I love and admire them, on this occasion I’d say “fuck em”. | |||
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"What's your specific problem with Albanians? As for the second point you might want to check your maths send ten of what back and back to where? I have no specific problem with Albanians. I’ve been there twice, very fond memories of meeting some lovely people. I’ve checked the math. Ten illegal migrants for every one that lands here. You implied with your 40% being Albanian that it was the problem for you As for the 10 is it ten Albanians? Where are you sending them back to? It’s a concern as it should be to all that have the best interests of the UK at heart. I would send ten people that arrived in boats from France. I wouldn’t ask where they are from. Why is them being Albanian a concern? Where would you send them? So only people on boats?,All boats?? I think you are playing ‘the Devils avocado’ you tinker. You know as well as me that they are unlikely to be the brain surgeons, doctors , nurses etc that we need. It’s also unlikely that they would be happy working in a bar for minimum wage and renting a flat in London. You know I’m referring to the dinghies that cross the channel and it’s quite easy for you to work out that we should send them back to France. Perhaps I can go with them as I want to live in France but current rules make it tricky . Is that the reason you have a problem?, so you're ok with everyone else who crosses as long as they're not Albanians? How would we send them back to France? I don’t want anyone coming here by illegal means. I would be very mindful of spending tax payers money and I wish them no harm so I guess the safest & cheapest way of sending them back is the P&O ferry? I’ve used it many times and it’s great." Why did you single out Albanians in your post then?, surely your source would have given you a flat number of all crossers? And the French will just accept your plan? | |||
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"What's your specific problem with Albanians? As for the second point you might want to check your maths send ten of what back and back to where? I have no specific problem with Albanians. I’ve been there twice, very fond memories of meeting some lovely people. I’ve checked the math. Ten illegal migrants for every one that lands here. You implied with your 40% being Albanian that it was the problem for you As for the 10 is it ten Albanians? Where are you sending them back to? It’s a concern as it should be to all that have the best interests of the UK at heart. I would send ten people that arrived in boats from France. I wouldn’t ask where they are from. Why is them being Albanian a concern? Where would you send them? So only people on boats?,All boats?? I think you are playing ‘the Devils avocado’ you tinker. You know as well as me that they are unlikely to be the brain surgeons, doctors , nurses etc that we need. It’s also unlikely that they would be happy working in a bar for minimum wage and renting a flat in London. You know I’m referring to the dinghies that cross the channel and it’s quite easy for you to work out that we should send them back to France. Perhaps I can go with them as I want to live in France but current rules make it tricky . is claiming asylum harder in France than the UK then ? I was raised to obey the law and tell the truth." what if I told you that France have agreed they wouldn't punish you for entering illegally if you had a valid claim. Because they realised their laws wouldn't allow you to enter legally. | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? Why don’t you get down to these ‘landing ‘ beaches with your binoculars and sort this ‘problem’ out Are you with me? Not really our job of course but hey ho. They are a tough lot though. Even the Turks in my town are shit scared of them! Do some thing about it then, ‘how many are you stopping’ ?
I would. Need your help though. And don’t forget, I have my good looks to preserve.
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"What's your specific problem with Albanians? As for the second point you might want to check your maths send ten of what back and back to where? I have no specific problem with Albanians. I’ve been there twice, very fond memories of meeting some lovely people. I’ve checked the math. Ten illegal migrants for every one that lands here. You implied with your 40% being Albanian that it was the problem for you As for the 10 is it ten Albanians? Where are you sending them back to? It’s a concern as it should be to all that have the best interests of the UK at heart. I would send ten people that arrived in boats from France. I wouldn’t ask where they are from. Why is them being Albanian a concern? Where would you send them? So only people on boats?,All boats?? I think you are playing ‘the Devils avocado’ you tinker. You know as well as me that they are unlikely to be the brain surgeons, doctors , nurses etc that we need. It’s also unlikely that they would be happy working in a bar for minimum wage and renting a flat in London. You know I’m referring to the dinghies that cross the channel and it’s quite easy for you to work out that we should send them back to France. Perhaps I can go with them as I want to live in France but current rules make it tricky . Is that the reason you have a problem?, so you're ok with everyone else who crosses as long as they're not Albanians? How would we send them back to France? I don’t want anyone coming here by illegal means. I would be very mindful of spending tax payers money and I wish them no harm so I guess the safest & cheapest way of sending them back is the P&O ferry? I’ve used it many times and it’s great. What about the French? what if they say no? As much as I love and admire them, on this occasion I’d say “fuck em”." As much as I love the French they would tell you to fuck right off and to stop breaking international law | |||
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"What's your specific problem with Albanians? As for the second point you might want to check your maths send ten of what back and back to where? I have no specific problem with Albanians. I’ve been there twice, very fond memories of meeting some lovely people. I’ve checked the math. Ten illegal migrants for every one that lands here. You implied with your 40% being Albanian that it was the problem for you As for the 10 is it ten Albanians? Where are you sending them back to? It’s a concern as it should be to all that have the best interests of the UK at heart. I would send ten people that arrived in boats from France. I wouldn’t ask where they are from. Why is them being Albanian a concern? Where would you send them? So only people on boats?,All boats?? I think you are playing ‘the Devils avocado’ you tinker. You know as well as me that they are unlikely to be the brain surgeons, doctors , nurses etc that we need. It’s also unlikely that they would be happy working in a bar for minimum wage and renting a flat in London. You know I’m referring to the dinghies that cross the channel and it’s quite easy for you to work out that we should send them back to France. Perhaps I can go with them as I want to live in France but current rules make it tricky . Is that the reason you have a problem?, so you're ok with everyone else who crosses as long as they're not Albanians? How would we send them back to France? I don’t want anyone coming here by illegal means. I would be very mindful of spending tax payers money and I wish them no harm so I guess the safest & cheapest way of sending them back is the P&O ferry? I’ve used it many times and it’s great. Why did you single out Albanians in your post then?, surely your source would have given you a flat number of all crossers? And the French will just accept your plan?" Good question. It’s something that I suspected. I know that when we were still in the EU, most Albanians that wanted to come to the UK would buy Bulgarian passports, that no longer works so well. Also as it shows up the naivety of some on here that claim the only people that would risk a dangerous and illegal channel crossing are desperate refugee or asylum seekers fleeing persecution. The French may well kick up a stink, but so what. | |||
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"What's your specific problem with Albanians? As for the second point you might want to check your maths send ten of what back and back to where? I have no specific problem with Albanians. I’ve been there twice, very fond memories of meeting some lovely people. I’ve checked the math. Ten illegal migrants for every one that lands here. You implied with your 40% being Albanian that it was the problem for you As for the 10 is it ten Albanians? Where are you sending them back to? It’s a concern as it should be to all that have the best interests of the UK at heart. I would send ten people that arrived in boats from France. I wouldn’t ask where they are from. Why is them being Albanian a concern? Where would you send them? So only people on boats?,All boats?? I think you are playing ‘the Devils avocado’ you tinker. You know as well as me that they are unlikely to be the brain surgeons, doctors , nurses etc that we need. It’s also unlikely that they would be happy working in a bar for minimum wage and renting a flat in London. You know I’m referring to the dinghies that cross the channel and it’s quite easy for you to work out that we should send them back to France. Perhaps I can go with them as I want to live in France but current rules make it tricky . Is that the reason you have a problem?, so you're ok with everyone else who crosses as long as they're not Albanians? How would we send them back to France? I don’t want anyone coming here by illegal means. I would be very mindful of spending tax payers money and I wish them no harm so I guess the safest & cheapest way of sending them back is the P&O ferry? I’ve used it many times and it’s great. What about the French? what if they say no? As much as I love and admire them, on this occasion I’d say “fuck em”." even if we were breaking french laws. Hmmm. Once upon a time we could have done this. We decided that we were happy to sacrifice that ability for *reasons* | |||
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"What's your specific problem with Albanians? As for the second point you might want to check your maths send ten of what back and back to where? I have no specific problem with Albanians. I’ve been there twice, very fond memories of meeting some lovely people. I’ve checked the math. Ten illegal migrants for every one that lands here. You implied with your 40% being Albanian that it was the problem for you As for the 10 is it ten Albanians? Where are you sending them back to? It’s a concern as it should be to all that have the best interests of the UK at heart. I would send ten people that arrived in boats from France. I wouldn’t ask where they are from. Why is them being Albanian a concern? Where would you send them? So only people on boats?,All boats?? I think you are playing ‘the Devils avocado’ you tinker. You know as well as me that they are unlikely to be the brain surgeons, doctors , nurses etc that we need. It’s also unlikely that they would be happy working in a bar for minimum wage and renting a flat in London. You know I’m referring to the dinghies that cross the channel and it’s quite easy for you to work out that we should send them back to France. Perhaps I can go with them as I want to live in France but current rules make it tricky . Is that the reason you have a problem?, so you're ok with everyone else who crosses as long as they're not Albanians? How would we send them back to France? I don’t want anyone coming here by illegal means. I would be very mindful of spending tax payers money and I wish them no harm so I guess the safest & cheapest way of sending them back is the P&O ferry? I’ve used it many times and it’s great. What about the French? what if they say no? As much as I love and admire them, on this occasion I’d say “fuck em”.even if we were breaking french laws. Hmmm. Once upon a time we could have done this. We decided that we were happy to sacrifice that ability for *reasons*" I mean technically the UK government intentionally sending people to breach the borders of a sovereign nation against their wishes could be seen as an act of war... Just saying. | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? Why don’t you get down to these ‘landing ‘ beaches with your binoculars and sort this ‘problem’ out Are you with me? Not really our job of course but hey ho. They are a tough lot though. Even the Turks in my town are shit scared of them! Do some thing about it then, ‘how many are you stopping’ ?
I would. Need your help though. And don’t forget, I have my good looks to preserve.
Get down to the beaches with your binoculars, join Farage, do something about it
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? Why don’t you get down to these ‘landing ‘ beaches with your binoculars and sort this ‘problem’ out Are you with me? Not really our job of course but hey ho. They are a tough lot though. Even the Turks in my town are shit scared of them! Do some thing about it then, ‘how many are you stopping’ ?
I would. Need your help though. And don’t forget, I have my good looks to preserve.
Get down to the beaches with your binoculars, join Farage, do something about it
I ask again, are you with me?
No, it doesn’t concern mr in the slightest, your obviously living in state of fear, get something done about it,
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? Another post about a group of foreigners and is detrimental in they way it is worded... colour me shocked You have no concerns about unidentified illegal people arriving here then I take it? We discussed that in the MANY other threads you made about immigration. No person is illegal. Referring to them as such is degrading and unnecessary. I have no issue with the Immigration itself. The net effect has always been a positive for the UK. They are illegal by dint of the face they have entered the country illegally. We have a border, with laws, those entering the country have breached the law, they are illegal. May I ask, would you prefer no borders?" What is the ‘punishment’ for entering the country illegally | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? Another post about a group of foreigners and is detrimental in they way it is worded... colour me shocked You have no concerns about unidentified illegal people arriving here then I take it? We discussed that in the MANY other threads you made about immigration. No person is illegal. Referring to them as such is degrading and unnecessary. I have no issue with the Immigration itself. The net effect has always been a positive for the UK. They are illegal by dint of the face they have entered the country illegally. We have a border, with laws, those entering the country have breached the law, they are illegal. May I ask, would you prefer no borders?" Their immigration status is illegal, not their person. Whatever our border policies I would hope we could at least achieve basic human decency in the way we treat them. | |||
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"What's your specific problem with Albanians? As for the second point you might want to check your maths send ten of what back and back to where? I have no specific problem with Albanians. I’ve been there twice, very fond memories of meeting some lovely people. I’ve checked the math. Ten illegal migrants for every one that lands here. You implied with your 40% being Albanian that it was the problem for you As for the 10 is it ten Albanians? Where are you sending them back to? It’s a concern as it should be to all that have the best interests of the UK at heart. I would send ten people that arrived in boats from France. I wouldn’t ask where they are from. Why is them being Albanian a concern? Where would you send them? So only people on boats?,All boats?? I think you are playing ‘the Devils avocado’ you tinker. You know as well as me that they are unlikely to be the brain surgeons, doctors , nurses etc that we need. It’s also unlikely that they would be happy working in a bar for minimum wage and renting a flat in London. You know I’m referring to the dinghies that cross the channel and it’s quite easy for you to work out that we should send them back to France. Perhaps I can go with them as I want to live in France but current rules make it tricky . is claiming asylum harder in France than the UK then ? I was raised to obey the law and tell the truth.what if I told you that France have agreed they wouldn't punish you for entering illegally if you had a valid claim. Because they realised their laws wouldn't allow you to enter legally. But what if they realised ( or assumed) that my story was just bullshit? " are they better than smelling bullshit than us Brits? | |||
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"I have just read an article about this. It is on my newsfeed. From LBC. There are a lot of facts / figures also. Part of article questioned why coming from Albania. No war there . Developing country . I am not good at adding links. Look up LBC news today. " This is the link hopefully https://apple.news/A3E6Ejw7ZQ5aceDKkkQFa4A | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? Another post about a group of foreigners and is detrimental in they way it is worded... colour me shocked You have no concerns about unidentified illegal people arriving here then I take it? We discussed that in the MANY other threads you made about immigration. No person is illegal. Referring to them as such is degrading and unnecessary. I have no issue with the Immigration itself. The net effect has always been a positive for the UK. They are illegal by dint of the face they have entered the country illegally. We have a border, with laws, those entering the country have breached the law, they are illegal. May I ask, would you prefer no borders? Their immigration status is illegal, not their person. Whatever our border policies I would hope we could at least achieve basic human decency in the way we treat them." Calling them illegal immigrants is poor form? Shall we call them criminals instead? They are aware they are breaking the law entering in that fashion. The issue of what they are called is a bigger concern to you than the fact they’ve entered in that fashion. This is where me and part company, you’ll concern yourself over how they are named, I will concern myself these people have entered the country illegally. | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? Another post about a group of foreigners and is detrimental in they way it is worded... colour me shocked You have no concerns about unidentified illegal people arriving here then I take it? We discussed that in the MANY other threads you made about immigration. No person is illegal. Referring to them as such is degrading and unnecessary. I have no issue with the Immigration itself. The net effect has always been a positive for the UK. They are illegal by dint of the face they have entered the country illegally. We have a border, with laws, those entering the country have breached the law, they are illegal. May I ask, would you prefer no borders? Their immigration status is illegal, not their person. Whatever our border policies I would hope we could at least achieve basic human decency in the way we treat them." I think you’ll find we go beyond that. | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? Another post about a group of foreigners and is detrimental in they way it is worded... colour me shocked You have no concerns about unidentified illegal people arriving here then I take it? We discussed that in the MANY other threads you made about immigration. No person is illegal. Referring to them as such is degrading and unnecessary. I have no issue with the Immigration itself. The net effect has always been a positive for the UK. They are illegal by dint of the face they have entered the country illegally. We have a border, with laws, those entering the country have breached the law, they are illegal. May I ask, would you prefer no borders? Their immigration status is illegal, not their person. Whatever our border policies I would hope we could at least achieve basic human decency in the way we treat them. Calling them illegal immigrants is poor form? Shall we call them criminals instead? They are aware they are breaking the law entering in that fashion. The issue of what they are called is a bigger concern to you than the fact they’ve entered in that fashion. This is where me and part company, you’ll concern yourself over how they are named, I will concern myself these people have entered the country illegally." Shall we refer to everyone who has broken the law (including all traffic violations) as illegal drivers or criminals? | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? Another post about a group of foreigners and is detrimental in they way it is worded... colour me shocked You have no concerns about unidentified illegal people arriving here then I take it? We discussed that in the MANY other threads you made about immigration. No person is illegal. Referring to them as such is degrading and unnecessary. I have no issue with the Immigration itself. The net effect has always been a positive for the UK. They are illegal by dint of the face they have entered the country illegally. We have a border, with laws, those entering the country have breached the law, they are illegal. May I ask, would you prefer no borders? What is the ‘punishment’ for entering the country illegally " I’ve not checked as I have no intention of entering a country in an illegal fashion | |||
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"I have just read an article about this. It is on my newsfeed. From LBC. There are a lot of facts / figures also. Part of article questioned why coming from Albania. No war there . Developing country . I am not good at adding links. Look up LBC news today. This is the link hopefully https://apple.news/A3E6Ejw7ZQ5aceDKkkQFa4A" The big issue with this article in my opinion is that it is presenting the report as the entire scope of what is going on, when there is absolutely no way of knowing: a) how many aspects are missing b) how big those aspects are The report may be accurate to the data they have, this doesn't mean it is accurate to the scope of immigration as a whole. And the only way that headline could have been more click baity was if it said "Who is entering the UK, the answer may surprise you!" | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? Another post about a group of foreigners and is detrimental in they way it is worded... colour me shocked You have no concerns about unidentified illegal people arriving here then I take it? We discussed that in the MANY other threads you made about immigration. No person is illegal. Referring to them as such is degrading and unnecessary. I have no issue with the Immigration itself. The net effect has always been a positive for the UK. They are illegal by dint of the face they have entered the country illegally. We have a border, with laws, those entering the country have breached the law, they are illegal. May I ask, would you prefer no borders? What is the ‘punishment’ for entering the country illegally I’ve not checked as I have no intention of entering a country in an illegal fashion " There is no punishment ,  | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? Another post about a group of foreigners and is detrimental in they way it is worded... colour me shocked You have no concerns about unidentified illegal people arriving here then I take it? We discussed that in the MANY other threads you made about immigration. No person is illegal. Referring to them as such is degrading and unnecessary. I have no issue with the Immigration itself. The net effect has always been a positive for the UK. They are illegal by dint of the face they have entered the country illegally. We have a border, with laws, those entering the country have breached the law, they are illegal. May I ask, would you prefer no borders? Their immigration status is illegal, not their person. Whatever our border policies I would hope we could at least achieve basic human decency in the way we treat them. Calling them illegal immigrants is poor form? Shall we call them criminals instead? They are aware they are breaking the law entering in that fashion. The issue of what they are called is a bigger concern to you than the fact they’ve entered in that fashion. This is where me and part company, you’ll concern yourself over how they are named, I will concern myself these people have entered the country illegally. Shall we refer to everyone who has broken the law (including all traffic violations) as illegal drivers or criminals? " I was happy to use the term illegal immigrant but that caused some offence so I was asking for an alternative, no more than that | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? Another post about a group of foreigners and is detrimental in they way it is worded... colour me shocked You have no concerns about unidentified illegal people arriving here then I take it? We discussed that in the MANY other threads you made about immigration. No person is illegal. Referring to them as such is degrading and unnecessary. I have no issue with the Immigration itself. The net effect has always been a positive for the UK. They are illegal by dint of the face they have entered the country illegally. We have a border, with laws, those entering the country have breached the law, they are illegal. May I ask, would you prefer no borders? Their immigration status is illegal, not their person. Whatever our border policies I would hope we could at least achieve basic human decency in the way we treat them. Calling them illegal immigrants is poor form? Shall we call them criminals instead? They are aware they are breaking the law entering in that fashion. The issue of what they are called is a bigger concern to you than the fact they’ve entered in that fashion. This is where me and part company, you’ll concern yourself over how they are named, I will concern myself these people have entered the country illegally. Shall we refer to everyone who has broken the law (including all traffic violations) as illegal drivers or criminals? I was happy to use the term illegal immigrant but that caused some offence so I was asking for an alternative, no more than that" Immigrants | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? Another post about a group of foreigners and is detrimental in they way it is worded... colour me shocked You have no concerns about unidentified illegal people arriving here then I take it? We discussed that in the MANY other threads you made about immigration. No person is illegal. Referring to them as such is degrading and unnecessary. I have no issue with the Immigration itself. The net effect has always been a positive for the UK. They are illegal by dint of the face they have entered the country illegally. We have a border, with laws, those entering the country have breached the law, they are illegal. May I ask, would you prefer no borders? Their immigration status is illegal, not their person. Whatever our border policies I would hope we could at least achieve basic human decency in the way we treat them. Calling them illegal immigrants is poor form? Shall we call them criminals instead? They are aware they are breaking the law entering in that fashion. The issue of what they are called is a bigger concern to you than the fact they’ve entered in that fashion. This is where me and part company, you’ll concern yourself over how they are named, I will concern myself these people have entered the country illegally. Shall we refer to everyone who has broken the law (including all traffic violations) as illegal drivers or criminals? I was happy to use the term illegal immigrant but that caused some offence so I was asking for an alternative, no more than that I objected to them being called illegal people... So is illegal immigrant an acceptable term?" To anyone with any sense, yes. Not to the bleeding hearts that play semantics though. | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? Another post about a group of foreigners and is detrimental in they way it is worded... colour me shocked You have no concerns about unidentified illegal people arriving here then I take it? We discussed that in the MANY other threads you made about immigration. No person is illegal. Referring to them as such is degrading and unnecessary. I have no issue with the Immigration itself. The net effect has always been a positive for the UK. They are illegal by dint of the face they have entered the country illegally. We have a border, with laws, those entering the country have breached the law, they are illegal. May I ask, would you prefer no borders? Their immigration status is illegal, not their person. Whatever our border policies I would hope we could at least achieve basic human decency in the way we treat them. Calling them illegal immigrants is poor form? Shall we call them criminals instead? They are aware they are breaking the law entering in that fashion. The issue of what they are called is a bigger concern to you than the fact they’ve entered in that fashion. This is where me and part company, you’ll concern yourself over how they are named, I will concern myself these people have entered the country illegally. Shall we refer to everyone who has broken the law (including all traffic violations) as illegal drivers or criminals? I was happy to use the term illegal immigrant but that caused some offence so I was asking for an alternative, no more than that Immigrants That doesn’t distinguish between those entering the country legally from those choosing the dinghy route. May I ask, are you in favour of open borders and unchecked immigration?" What do you call an immigrant that arrives legally and is denied asylum? | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? Another post about a group of foreigners and is detrimental in they way it is worded... colour me shocked You have no concerns about unidentified illegal people arriving here then I take it? We discussed that in the MANY other threads you made about immigration. No person is illegal. Referring to them as such is degrading and unnecessary. I have no issue with the Immigration itself. The net effect has always been a positive for the UK. They are illegal by dint of the face they have entered the country illegally. We have a border, with laws, those entering the country have breached the law, they are illegal. May I ask, would you prefer no borders? Their immigration status is illegal, not their person. Whatever our border policies I would hope we could at least achieve basic human decency in the way we treat them. Calling them illegal immigrants is poor form? Shall we call them criminals instead? They are aware they are breaking the law entering in that fashion. The issue of what they are called is a bigger concern to you than the fact they’ve entered in that fashion. This is where me and part company, you’ll concern yourself over how they are named, I will concern myself these people have entered the country illegally. Shall we refer to everyone who has broken the law (including all traffic violations) as illegal drivers or criminals? I was happy to use the term illegal immigrant but that caused some offence so I was asking for an alternative, no more than that I objected to them being called illegal people... So is illegal immigrant an acceptable term? Why can’t you call them immigrants? " What’s wrong with ‘illegal immigrants’ ? | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? Another post about a group of foreigners and is detrimental in they way it is worded... colour me shocked You have no concerns about unidentified illegal people arriving here then I take it? We discussed that in the MANY other threads you made about immigration. No person is illegal. Referring to them as such is degrading and unnecessary. I have no issue with the Immigration itself. The net effect has always been a positive for the UK. They are illegal by dint of the face they have entered the country illegally. We have a border, with laws, those entering the country have breached the law, they are illegal. May I ask, would you prefer no borders? Their immigration status is illegal, not their person. Whatever our border policies I would hope we could at least achieve basic human decency in the way we treat them. Calling them illegal immigrants is poor form? Shall we call them criminals instead? They are aware they are breaking the law entering in that fashion. The issue of what they are called is a bigger concern to you than the fact they’ve entered in that fashion. This is where me and part company, you’ll concern yourself over how they are named, I will concern myself these people have entered the country illegally. Shall we refer to everyone who has broken the law (including all traffic violations) as illegal drivers or criminals? I was happy to use the term illegal immigrant but that caused some offence so I was asking for an alternative, no more than that I objected to them being called illegal people... So is illegal immigrant an acceptable term? Why can’t you call them immigrants? Sounds like compelled speech, no thanks " Sounds like your confused and or revel in calling them illegal? Have you ever broken the law? | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? Another post about a group of foreigners and is detrimental in they way it is worded... colour me shocked You have no concerns about unidentified illegal people arriving here then I take it? We discussed that in the MANY other threads you made about immigration. No person is illegal. Referring to them as such is degrading and unnecessary. I have no issue with the Immigration itself. The net effect has always been a positive for the UK. They are illegal by dint of the face they have entered the country illegally. We have a border, with laws, those entering the country have breached the law, they are illegal. May I ask, would you prefer no borders? Their immigration status is illegal, not their person. Whatever our border policies I would hope we could at least achieve basic human decency in the way we treat them. Calling them illegal immigrants is poor form? Shall we call them criminals instead? They are aware they are breaking the law entering in that fashion. The issue of what they are called is a bigger concern to you than the fact they’ve entered in that fashion. This is where me and part company, you’ll concern yourself over how they are named, I will concern myself these people have entered the country illegally. Shall we refer to everyone who has broken the law (including all traffic violations) as illegal drivers or criminals? I was happy to use the term illegal immigrant but that caused some offence so I was asking for an alternative, no more than that Immigrants That doesn’t distinguish between those entering the country legally from those choosing the dinghy route. May I ask, are you in favour of open borders and unchecked immigration? What do you call an immigrant that arrives legally and is denied asylum? " Are they an asylum seeker then? | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? Another post about a group of foreigners and is detrimental in they way it is worded... colour me shocked You have no concerns about unidentified illegal people arriving here then I take it? We discussed that in the MANY other threads you made about immigration. No person is illegal. Referring to them as such is degrading and unnecessary. I have no issue with the Immigration itself. The net effect has always been a positive for the UK. They are illegal by dint of the face they have entered the country illegally. We have a border, with laws, those entering the country have breached the law, they are illegal. May I ask, would you prefer no borders? Their immigration status is illegal, not their person. Whatever our border policies I would hope we could at least achieve basic human decency in the way we treat them. Calling them illegal immigrants is poor form? Shall we call them criminals instead? They are aware they are breaking the law entering in that fashion. The issue of what they are called is a bigger concern to you than the fact they’ve entered in that fashion. This is where me and part company, you’ll concern yourself over how they are named, I will concern myself these people have entered the country illegally. Shall we refer to everyone who has broken the law (including all traffic violations) as illegal drivers or criminals? I was happy to use the term illegal immigrant but that caused some offence so I was asking for an alternative, no more than that I objected to them being called illegal people... So is illegal immigrant an acceptable term? Why can’t you call them immigrants? What’s wrong with ‘illegal immigrants’ ? " What do you call an immigrant that is denied asylum ? | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? Another post about a group of foreigners and is detrimental in they way it is worded... colour me shocked You have no concerns about unidentified illegal people arriving here then I take it? We discussed that in the MANY other threads you made about immigration. No person is illegal. Referring to them as such is degrading and unnecessary. I have no issue with the Immigration itself. The net effect has always been a positive for the UK. They are illegal by dint of the face they have entered the country illegally. We have a border, with laws, those entering the country have breached the law, they are illegal. May I ask, would you prefer no borders? Their immigration status is illegal, not their person. Whatever our border policies I would hope we could at least achieve basic human decency in the way we treat them. Calling them illegal immigrants is poor form? Shall we call them criminals instead? They are aware they are breaking the law entering in that fashion. The issue of what they are called is a bigger concern to you than the fact they’ve entered in that fashion. This is where me and part company, you’ll concern yourself over how they are named, I will concern myself these people have entered the country illegally. Shall we refer to everyone who has broken the law (including all traffic violations) as illegal drivers or criminals? I was happy to use the term illegal immigrant but that caused some offence so I was asking for an alternative, no more than that Immigrants That doesn’t distinguish between those entering the country legally from those choosing the dinghy route. May I ask, are you in favour of open borders and unchecked immigration? What do you call an immigrant that arrives legally and is denied asylum? Are they an asylum seeker then?" Yep, that is a good term to use | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? Another post about a group of foreigners and is detrimental in they way it is worded... colour me shocked You have no concerns about unidentified illegal people arriving here then I take it? We discussed that in the MANY other threads you made about immigration. No person is illegal. Referring to them as such is degrading and unnecessary. I have no issue with the Immigration itself. The net effect has always been a positive for the UK. They are illegal by dint of the face they have entered the country illegally. We have a border, with laws, those entering the country have breached the law, they are illegal. May I ask, would you prefer no borders? Their immigration status is illegal, not their person. Whatever our border policies I would hope we could at least achieve basic human decency in the way we treat them. Calling them illegal immigrants is poor form? Shall we call them criminals instead? They are aware they are breaking the law entering in that fashion. The issue of what they are called is a bigger concern to you than the fact they’ve entered in that fashion. This is where me and part company, you’ll concern yourself over how they are named, I will concern myself these people have entered the country illegally. Shall we refer to everyone who has broken the law (including all traffic violations) as illegal drivers or criminals? I was happy to use the term illegal immigrant but that caused some offence so I was asking for an alternative, no more than that I objected to them being called illegal people... So is illegal immigrant an acceptable term? Why can’t you call them immigrants? Sounds like compelled speech, no thanks Sounds like your confused and or revel in calling them illegal? Have you ever broken the law? " Don’t judge me mate, you can call them what you want, I won’t compel your speech, you don’t compel mine | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? Another post about a group of foreigners and is detrimental in they way it is worded... colour me shocked You have no concerns about unidentified illegal people arriving here then I take it? We discussed that in the MANY other threads you made about immigration. No person is illegal. Referring to them as such is degrading and unnecessary. I have no issue with the Immigration itself. The net effect has always been a positive for the UK. They are illegal by dint of the face they have entered the country illegally. We have a border, with laws, those entering the country have breached the law, they are illegal. May I ask, would you prefer no borders? Their immigration status is illegal, not their person. Whatever our border policies I would hope we could at least achieve basic human decency in the way we treat them. Calling them illegal immigrants is poor form? Shall we call them criminals instead? They are aware they are breaking the law entering in that fashion. The issue of what they are called is a bigger concern to you than the fact they’ve entered in that fashion. This is where me and part company, you’ll concern yourself over how they are named, I will concern myself these people have entered the country illegally. Shall we refer to everyone who has broken the law (including all traffic violations) as illegal drivers or criminals? I was happy to use the term illegal immigrant but that caused some offence so I was asking for an alternative, no more than that I objected to them being called illegal people... So is illegal immigrant an acceptable term? Why can’t you call them immigrants? Sounds like compelled speech, no thanks Sounds like your confused and or revel in calling them illegal? Have you ever broken the law? Don’t judge me mate, you can call them what you want, I won’t compel your speech, you don’t compel mine" Chill out , ‘mate’ . Why do you feel compelled to call them illegal? Have you ever broken the law | |||
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"What does any engagement I may have had or not had with the law got to do with it? If someone is serving 3 years for an offence (such as my brother), would he be forbidden from using the term illegal immigrant because he has broken the law? " Your struggling to answer a basic question , he can refer to them as illegal and I will refer to him and other people who have broken the law as criminals | |||
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"What does any engagement I may have had or not had with the law got to do with it? If someone is serving 3 years for an offence (such as my brother), would he be forbidden from using the term illegal immigrant because he has broken the law? Your struggling to answer a basic question , he can refer to them as illegal and I will refer to him and other people who have broken the law as criminals " I’ve not broken the law myself, was turfed out of a football stadium for inciting a riot when celebrating a goal, apparently my jumping up and down and cheering was a problem for the Police. No charge, just kicked out of the ground | |||
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"What does any engagement I may have had or not had with the law got to do with it? If someone is serving 3 years for an offence (such as my brother), would he be forbidden from using the term illegal immigrant because he has broken the law? Your struggling to answer a basic question , he can refer to them as illegal and I will refer to him and other people who have broken the law as criminals I’ve not broken the law myself, was turfed out of a football stadium for inciting a riot when celebrating a goal, apparently my jumping up and down and cheering was a problem for the Police. No charge, just kicked out of the ground " Your a football hooligan then | |||
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"What does any engagement I may have had or not had with the law got to do with it? If someone is serving 3 years for an offence (such as my brother), would he be forbidden from using the term illegal immigrant because he has broken the law? Your struggling to answer a basic question , he can refer to them as illegal and I will refer to him and other people who have broken the law as criminals I’ve not broken the law myself, was turfed out of a football stadium for inciting a riot when celebrating a goal, apparently my jumping up and down and cheering was a problem for the Police. No charge, just kicked out of the ground Your a football hooligan then "I think that is a stretch, my actions were commensurate with other supporters in the ground and I’ve celebrated in a similar fashion countless times. As I said, no charge, just kicked out of the ground. I support the old bill but on that occasion I think they were over zealous | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? . This is quite a frightening ststistic and is a perfect illustration of economic migrants abusing the asylum system. Sadly when we try to enforce the law we have left wing lawyers doing all they can to obstruct the law and simply wanting to live their own pockets . Most people know that the asylum system is widely abuse and at least the article is only stating the obvious. How is it a frightening statistic?" To most rational people attempting to enter a county illegally is completely unacceptable. We should be giving our unconditional support to the forces of law and orde to resolve issue such as this. | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? . This is quite a frightening ststistic and is a perfect illustration of economic migrants abusing the asylum system. Sadly when we try to enforce the law we have left wing lawyers doing all they can to obstruct the law and simply wanting to live their own pockets . Most people know that the asylum system is widely abuse and at least the article is only stating the obvious. How is it a frightening statistic? To most rational people attempting to enter a county illegally is completely unacceptable. We should be giving our unconditional support to the forces of law and orde to resolve issue such as this. " Are you frightened? | |||
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"What does any engagement I may have had or not had with the law got to do with it? If someone is serving 3 years for an offence (such as my brother), would he be forbidden from using the term illegal immigrant because he has broken the law? Your struggling to answer a basic question , he can refer to them as illegal and I will refer to him and other people who have broken the law as criminals I’ve not broken the law myself, was turfed out of a football stadium for inciting a riot when celebrating a goal, apparently my jumping up and down and cheering was a problem for the Police. No charge, just kicked out of the ground Your a football hooligan then
I think that is a stretch, my actions were commensurate with other supporters in the ground and I’ve celebrated in a similar fashion countless times. As I said, no charge, just kicked out of the ground. I support the old bill but on that occasion I think they were over zealous "You instigated a riot, your a football hooligan, I have broken several traffic laws, I am a criminal | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? . This is quite a frightening ststistic and is a perfect illustration of economic migrants abusing the asylum system. Sadly when we try to enforce the law we have left wing lawyers doing all they can to obstruct the law and simply wanting to live their own pockets . Most people know that the asylum system is widely abuse and at least the article is only stating the obvious. How is it a frightening statistic? To most rational people attempting to enter a county illegally is completely unacceptable. We should be giving our unconditional support to the forces of law and orde to resolve issue such as this. " I'm asking why you consider the fact that they're 40% Albanian to be the frightening statistic? Is it not a law and order issue if they're not Albanian to you? | |||
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I think that is a stretch, my actions were commensurate with other supporters in the ground and I’ve celebrated in a similar fashion countless times. As I said, no charge, just kicked out of the ground. I support the old bill but on that occasion I think they were over zealous
You instigated a riot, your a football hooligan, I have broken several traffic laws, I am a criminal "There was no riot, fans celebrated a goal and the game moved on. I said don’t judge me and I answered your question in good faith and you have responded in bad faith | |||
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"What does any engagement I may have had or not had with the law got to do with it? If someone is serving 3 years for an offence (such as my brother), would he be forbidden from using the term illegal immigrant because he has broken the law? Your struggling to answer a basic question , he can refer to them as illegal and I will refer to him and other people who have broken the law as criminals I’ve not broken the law myself, was turfed out of a football stadium for inciting a riot when celebrating a goal, apparently my jumping up and down and cheering was a problem for the Police. No charge, just kicked out of the ground Your a football hooligan then
I think that is a stretch, my actions were commensurate with other supporters in the ground and I’ve celebrated in a similar fashion countless times. As I said, no charge, just kicked out of the ground. I support the old bill but on that occasion I think they were over zealous
You instigated a riot, your a football hooligan, I have broken several traffic laws, I am a criminal
There was no riot, fans celebrated a goal and the game moved on. I said don’t judge me and I answered your question in good faith and you have responded in bad faith "I haven’t, I am a criminal , your free to refer to me as such if you want , you got thrown out of a football match for bad behaviour, technically your a football hooligan , | |||
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"What does any engagement I may have had or not had with the law got to do with it? If someone is serving 3 years for an offence (such as my brother), would he be forbidden from using the term illegal immigrant because he has broken the law? Your struggling to answer a basic question , he can refer to them as illegal and I will refer to him and other people who have broken the law as criminals I’ve not broken the law myself, was turfed out of a football stadium for inciting a riot when celebrating a goal, apparently my jumping up and down and cheering was a problem for the Police. No charge, just kicked out of the ground Your a football hooligan then
I think that is a stretch, my actions were commensurate with other supporters in the ground and I’ve celebrated in a similar fashion countless times. As I said, no charge, just kicked out of the ground. I support the old bill but on that occasion I think they were over zealous
You instigated a riot, your a football hooligan, I have broken several traffic laws, I am a criminal
There was no riot, fans celebrated a goal and the game moved on. I said don’t judge me and I answered your question in good faith and you have responded in bad faith "Btw, you stated that you ‘was turfed out of a football stadium for inciting a riot’ ? | |||
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"What does any engagement I may have had or not had with the law got to do with it? If someone is serving 3 years for an offence (such as my brother), would he be forbidden from using the term illegal immigrant because he has broken the law? Your struggling to answer a basic question , he can refer to them as illegal and I will refer to him and other people who have broken the law as criminals I’ve not broken the law myself, was turfed out of a football stadium for inciting a riot when celebrating a goal, apparently my jumping up and down and cheering was a problem for the Police. No charge, just kicked out of the ground Your a football hooligan then
I think that is a stretch, my actions were commensurate with other supporters in the ground and I’ve celebrated in a similar fashion countless times. As I said, no charge, just kicked out of the ground. I support the old bill but on that occasion I think they were over zealous
You instigated a riot, your a football hooligan, I have broken several traffic laws, I am a criminal
There was no riot, fans celebrated a goal and the game moved on. I said don’t judge me and I answered your question in good faith and you have responded in bad faith
Btw, you stated that you ‘was turfed out of a football stadium for inciting a riot’ ? "How dare you hold someone to the same standard they hold others! | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? . This is quite a frightening ststistic and is a perfect illustration of economic migrants abusing the asylum system. Sadly when we try to enforce the law we have left wing lawyers doing all they can to obstruct the law and simply wanting to live their own pockets . Most people know that the asylum system is widely abuse and at least the article is only stating the obvious. How is it a frightening statistic? To most rational people attempting to enter a county illegally is completely unacceptable. We should be giving our unconditional support to the forces of law and orde to resolve issue such as this. I'm asking why you consider the fact that they're 40% Albanian to be the frightening statistic? Is it not a law and order issue if they're not Albanian to you?" If it makes you happy just change the wording to arrivals from countries where there is no war . Most people prefer to support the law and not attempt to obscure someone's nationality. Regardless of nationality people do not want anyone entering the country illegally. All the article did was analyse recently movements in illegal immigration. If you are that bothered read Sir Iain Duncans Smith comments on the topic. L | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? . This is quite a frightening ststistic and is a perfect illustration of economic migrants abusing the asylum system. Sadly when we try to enforce the law we have left wing lawyers doing all they can to obstruct the law and simply wanting to live their own pockets . Most people know that the asylum system is widely abuse and at least the article is only stating the obvious. How is it a frightening statistic? To most rational people attempting to enter a county illegally is completely unacceptable. We should be giving our unconditional support to the forces of law and orde to resolve issue such as this. I'm asking why you consider the fact that they're 40% Albanian to be the frightening statistic? Is it not a law and order issue if they're not Albanian to you? If it makes you happy just change the wording to arrivals from countries where there is no war . Most people prefer to support the law and not attempt to obscure someone's nationality. Regardless of nationality people do not want anyone entering the country illegally. All the article did was analyse recently movements in illegal immigration. If you are that bothered read Sir Iain Duncans Smith comments on the topic. L" The tories have been in power for 12 years, this is a huge concern for you , they have failed to address this ‘issue’ | |||
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"Why don't we call people who have come here to seek asylum something novel like .... Asylum seekers. If their case is accepted, we can call them refugees. And if rejected, let's call them failed asylum seekers. But hey, ppl can focus on the illegal nature of their entry. If that's everyone's issues, let's stop worrying about Rwanda and breaking points, let's start focussing on how we can make applying for asylum possible in a way that is legally accessible for all. Change the law to allow asylum to be sought in special designated areas abroad. And set up processing centre in France. I imagine everyone hung up on the illegal aspect would be cool with that.
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? . This is quite a frightening ststistic and is a perfect illustration of economic migrants abusing the asylum system. Sadly when we try to enforce the law we have left wing lawyers doing all they can to obstruct the law and simply wanting to live their own pockets . Most people know that the asylum system is widely abuse and at least the article is only stating the obvious. How is it a frightening statistic? To most rational people attempting to enter a county illegally is completely unacceptable. We should be giving our unconditional support to the forces of law and orde to resolve issue such as this. I'm asking why you consider the fact that they're 40% Albanian to be the frightening statistic? Is it not a law and order issue if they're not Albanian to you? If it makes you happy just change the wording to arrivals from countries where there is no war . Most people prefer to support the law and not attempt to obscure someone's nationality. Regardless of nationality people do not want anyone entering the country illegally. All the article did was analyse recently movements in illegal immigration. If you are that bothered read Sir Iain Duncans Smith comments on the topic. L" Why the emphasis on Albanians though?, you said they were the frightening statistic surely this article would have given you a number of crossings? | |||
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"What does any engagement I may have had or not had with the law got to do with it? If someone is serving 3 years for an offence (such as my brother), would he be forbidden from using the term illegal immigrant because he has broken the law? Your struggling to answer a basic question , he can refer to them as illegal and I will refer to him and other people who have broken the law as criminals I’ve not broken the law myself, was turfed out of a football stadium for inciting a riot when celebrating a goal, apparently my jumping up and down and cheering was a problem for the Police. No charge, just kicked out of the ground Your a football hooligan then
I think that is a stretch, my actions were commensurate with other supporters in the ground and I’ve celebrated in a similar fashion countless times. As I said, no charge, just kicked out of the ground. I support the old bill but on that occasion I think they were over zealous
You instigated a riot, your a football hooligan, I have broken several traffic laws, I am a criminal
There was no riot, fans celebrated a goal and the game moved on. I said don’t judge me and I answered your question in good faith and you have responded in bad faith
Btw, you stated that you ‘was turfed out of a football stadium for inciting a riot’ ? "That was cited by the officers that dragged me out. Watch the crowd when a goal is scored and see how they all jump up and down cheering. That was what I did. Wouldn’t you suggest the officer’s description of my behaviour was incorrect? | |||
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How many are you willing to stop ? "All of them . I’m penning a stiffly worded letter to my MP at this very moment. That should do the trick. | |||
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How many are you willing to house?
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All of them . I’m penning a stiffly worded letter to my MP at this very moment. That should do the trick."So none, you're asking your MP to do it. | |||
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"Why don't we call people who have come here to seek asylum something novel like .... Asylum seekers. If their case is accepted, we can call them refugees. And if rejected, let's call them failed asylum seekers. But hey, ppl can focus on the illegal nature of their entry. If that's everyone's issues, let's stop worrying about Rwanda and breaking points, let's start focussing on how we can make applying for asylum possible in a way that is legally accessible for all. Change the law to allow asylum to be sought in special designated areas abroad. And set up processing centre in France. I imagine everyone hung up on the illegal aspect would be cool with that.
How many are you willing to house?
How many are you willing to stop ?
All of them . I’m penning a stiffly worded letter to my MP at this very moment. That should do the trick.
So none, you're asking your MP to do it."What would you like me to do? | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? Another post about a group of foreigners and is detrimental in they way it is worded... colour me shocked You have no concerns about unidentified illegal people arriving here then I take it? We discussed that in the MANY other threads you made about immigration. No person is illegal. Referring to them as such is degrading and unnecessary. I have no issue with the Immigration itself. The net effect has always been a positive for the UK. They are illegal by dint of the face they have entered the country illegally. We have a border, with laws, those entering the country have breached the law, they are illegal. May I ask, would you prefer no borders? Their immigration status is illegal, not their person. Whatever our border policies I would hope we could at least achieve basic human decency in the way we treat them. Calling them illegal immigrants is poor form? Shall we call them criminals instead? They are aware they are breaking the law entering in that fashion. The issue of what they are called is a bigger concern to you than the fact they’ve entered in that fashion. This is where me and part company, you’ll concern yourself over how they are named, I will concern myself these people have entered the country illegally. Shall we refer to everyone who has broken the law (including all traffic violations) as illegal drivers or criminals? I was happy to use the term illegal immigrant but that caused some offence so I was asking for an alternative, no more than that I objected to them being called illegal people... So is illegal immigrant an acceptable term? Why can’t you call them immigrants? What’s wrong with ‘illegal immigrants’ ? What do you call an immigrant that is denied asylum ? " It depends on their method of arrival. | |||
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How many are you willing to house?
How many are you willing to stop ?
All of them . I’m penning a stiffly worded letter to my MP at this very moment. That should do the trick."Why aren’t you on the beaches stopping them arriving? A letter to your MP is a pathetic response, get out there and protect those borders | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. 1) where is Liam Neeson when we need him? 2) I can’t see them hanging around a detention centre or crappy hotel How do we stop this horrific exploitation of our border? Perhaps for every one landing from France we send ten back? Another post about a group of foreigners and is detrimental in they way it is worded... colour me shocked You have no concerns about unidentified illegal people arriving here then I take it? We discussed that in the MANY other threads you made about immigration. No person is illegal. Referring to them as such is degrading and unnecessary. I have no issue with the Immigration itself. The net effect has always been a positive for the UK. They are illegal by dint of the face they have entered the country illegally. We have a border, with laws, those entering the country have breached the law, they are illegal. May I ask, would you prefer no borders? Their immigration status is illegal, not their person. Whatever our border policies I would hope we could at least achieve basic human decency in the way we treat them. Calling them illegal immigrants is poor form? Shall we call them criminals instead? They are aware they are breaking the law entering in that fashion. The issue of what they are called is a bigger concern to you than the fact they’ve entered in that fashion. This is where me and part company, you’ll concern yourself over how they are named, I will concern myself these people have entered the country illegally. Shall we refer to everyone who has broken the law (including all traffic violations) as illegal drivers or criminals? I was happy to use the term illegal immigrant but that caused some offence so I was asking for an alternative, no more than that I objected to them being called illegal people... So is illegal immigrant an acceptable term? Why can’t you call them immigrants? What’s wrong with ‘illegal immigrants’ ? What do you call an immigrant that is denied asylum ? It depends on their method of arrival. " 1 they arrived by plane | |||
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"What does any engagement I may have had or not had with the law got to do with it? If someone is serving 3 years for an offence (such as my brother), would he be forbidden from using the term illegal immigrant because he has broken the law? Your struggling to answer a basic question , he can refer to them as illegal and I will refer to him and other people who have broken the law as criminals I’ve not broken the law myself, was turfed out of a football stadium for inciting a riot when celebrating a goal, apparently my jumping up and down and cheering was a problem for the Police. No charge, just kicked out of the ground Your a football hooligan then
I think that is a stretch, my actions were commensurate with other supporters in the ground and I’ve celebrated in a similar fashion countless times. As I said, no charge, just kicked out of the ground. I support the old bill but on that occasion I think they were over zealous
You instigated a riot, your a football hooligan, I have broken several traffic laws, I am a criminal
There was no riot, fans celebrated a goal and the game moved on. I said don’t judge me and I answered your question in good faith and you have responded in bad faith
Btw, you stated that you ‘was turfed out of a football stadium for inciting a riot’ ?
That was cited by the officers that dragged me out. Watch the crowd when a goal is scored and see how they all jump up and down cheering. That was what I did. Wouldn’t you suggest the officer’s description of my behaviour was incorrect? "Are you suggesting the officer was lying ? | |||
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How many are you willing to house?
How many are you willing to stop ?
All of them . I’m penning a stiffly worded letter to my MP at this very moment. That should do the trick.
Why aren’t you on the beaches stopping them arriving? A letter to your MP is a pathetic response, get out there and protect those borders "As I said earlier, I was raised to obey the law and have faith in the police. | |||
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"What does any engagement I may have had or not had with the law got to do with it? If someone is serving 3 years for an offence (such as my brother), would he be forbidden from using the term illegal immigrant because he has broken the law? Your struggling to answer a basic question , he can refer to them as illegal and I will refer to him and other people who have broken the law as criminals I’ve not broken the law myself, was turfed out of a football stadium for inciting a riot when celebrating a goal, apparently my jumping up and down and cheering was a problem for the Police. No charge, just kicked out of the ground Your a football hooligan then
I think that is a stretch, my actions were commensurate with other supporters in the ground and I’ve celebrated in a similar fashion countless times. As I said, no charge, just kicked out of the ground. I support the old bill but on that occasion I think they were over zealous
You instigated a riot, your a football hooligan, I have broken several traffic laws, I am a criminal
There was no riot, fans celebrated a goal and the game moved on. I said don’t judge me and I answered your question in good faith and you have responded in bad faith
Btw, you stated that you ‘was turfed out of a football stadium for inciting a riot’ ?
That was cited by the officers that dragged me out. Watch the crowd when a goal is scored and see how they all jump up and down cheering. That was what I did. Wouldn’t you suggest the officer’s description of my behaviour was incorrect?
Are you suggesting the officer was lying ? "I think so, celebrating a goal is not inciting a riot and a riot did not occur. It gave them the opportunity to stop for a tea instead of crowd watching. I’m willing to concede that you can call me a football hooligan, I can’t control your speech | |||
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How many are you willing to house?
How many are you willing to stop ?
All of them . I’m penning a stiffly worded letter to my MP at this very moment. That should do the trick.
Why aren’t you on the beaches stopping them arriving? A letter to your MP is a pathetic response, get out there and protect those borders
As I said earlier, I was raised to obey the law and have faith in the police.
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"I’ve come to the conclusion that the “correct” way of thinking on this issue is to let everyone in, say nothing and smile and show no form of dissent against some views on here." dissent all the way. But with this, I'm never quite clear what people are dissenting about. The focus will be on the illegallyity of it all. But as I say abovee, I don't think making it legal to claim asylum abroad, or legal to enter without documents if you are intended to claim asylum, will mean threads like this disappear... | |||
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"What does any engagement I may have had or not had with the law got to do with it? If someone is serving 3 years for an offence (such as my brother), would he be forbidden from using the term illegal immigrant because he has broken the law? Your struggling to answer a basic question , he can refer to them as illegal and I will refer to him and other people who have broken the law as criminals I’ve not broken the law myself, was turfed out of a football stadium for inciting a riot when celebrating a goal, apparently my jumping up and down and cheering was a problem for the Police. No charge, just kicked out of the ground Your a football hooligan then
I think that is a stretch, my actions were commensurate with other supporters in the ground and I’ve celebrated in a similar fashion countless times. As I said, no charge, just kicked out of the ground. I support the old bill but on that occasion I think they were over zealous
You instigated a riot, your a football hooligan, I have broken several traffic laws, I am a criminal
There was no riot, fans celebrated a goal and the game moved on. I said don’t judge me and I answered your question in good faith and you have responded in bad faith
Btw, you stated that you ‘was turfed out of a football stadium for inciting a riot’ ?
That was cited by the officers that dragged me out. Watch the crowd when a goal is scored and see how they all jump up and down cheering. That was what I did. Wouldn’t you suggest the officer’s description of my behaviour was incorrect?
Are you suggesting the officer was lying ?
I think so, celebrating a goal is not inciting a riot and a riot did not occur. It gave them the opportunity to stop for a tea instead of crowd watching. I’m willing to concede that you can call me a football hooligan, I can’t control your speech"Thank you, you are a football hooligan but I won’t be calling you one | |||
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"This should be no surprise as Albania has an open door to refugees. The UK last year was eyeing up a scheme to extradite people to Albania, similar to the controversial Rwanda scheme, which costs £600,000 for each deportee For clarity OP, the 40% are not Albanian, they have come via Albania. " O dear, the OP is getting confused again | |||
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"This should be no surprise as Albania has an open door to refugees. The UK last year was eyeing up a scheme to extradite people to Albania, similar to the controversial Rwanda scheme, which costs £600,000 for each deportee For clarity OP, the 40% are not Albanian, they have come via Albania. " source for this ? All the papers have been vekarky calling them Albanians | |||
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"Why don't we call people who have come here to seek asylum something novel like .... Asylum seekers. If their case is accepted, we can call them refugees. And if rejected, let's call them failed asylum seekers. But hey, ppl can focus on the illegal nature of their entry. If that's everyone's issues, let's stop worrying about Rwanda and breaking points, let's start focussing on how we can make applying for asylum possible in a way that is legally accessible for all. Change the law to allow asylum to be sought in special designated areas abroad. And set up processing centre in France. I imagine everyone hung up on the illegal aspect would be cool with that.
How many are you willing to house?
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All of them . I’m penning a stiffly worded letter to my MP at this very moment. That should do the trick.
Why aren’t you on the beaches stopping them arriving? A letter to your MP is a pathetic response, get out there and protect those borders
As I said earlier, I was raised to obey the law and have faith in the police.
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"This should be no surprise as Albania has an open door to refugees. The UK last year was eyeing up a scheme to extradite people to Albania, similar to the controversial Rwanda scheme, which costs £600,000 for each deportee For clarity OP, the 40% are not Albanian, they have come via Albania. " Correction. They have come via France. | |||
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"This should be no surprise as Albania has an open door to refugees. The UK last year was eyeing up a scheme to extradite people to Albania, similar to the controversial Rwanda scheme, which costs £600,000 for each deportee For clarity OP, the 40% are not Albanian, they have come via Albania. Correction. They have come via France." Both can be true... | |||
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"Why don't we call people who have come here to seek asylum something novel like .... Asylum seekers. If their case is accepted, we can call them refugees. And if rejected, let's call them failed asylum seekers. But hey, ppl can focus on the illegal nature of their entry. If that's everyone's issues, let's stop worrying about Rwanda and breaking points, let's start focussing on how we can make applying for asylum possible in a way that is legally accessible for all. Change the law to allow asylum to be sought in special designated areas abroad. And set up processing centre in France. I imagine everyone hung up on the illegal aspect would be cool with that.
How many are you willing to house?
How many are you willing to stop ?
All of them . I’m penning a stiffly worded letter to my MP at this very moment. That should do the trick.
Why aren’t you on the beaches stopping them arriving? A letter to your MP is a pathetic response, get out there and protect those borders
As I said earlier, I was raised to obey the law and have faith in the police.
you were happy to send Albanians back to France illegally.
Absolutely. Desperate situations call for desperate measures. Can it only be ‘illegal’ when it suits your position?"so breaking the law is okay when you are in desperate measures? That's a slight shift. How desperate do you think someone who is willing to risk their life to cross the channel is ? And why are we more desperate as a country than them as individuals ? And just to be clear. The way they enter is illegal. Because for the majority there is no other way. And we have signed a treaty that recognises this, and agrees not to punish those who illegally enter because of this. But it doesn't appear that you really care about legal or illegal. Because you will break others law when it suits you. Thats fine. You can be against taking on refugees because you are worried about the strain on infrastructure or any other reason. But there always seems to be a focus on the legality. Yet many turn to illegal means to counter it. | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. " MOD figures released today ( Source guardian) says 18000 arrived in uk, of which 1075 were from Albania. I make that 5.9%. ( source Ministry of defence / border control) | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. MOD figures released today ( Source guardian) says 18000 arrived in uk, of which 1075 were from Albania. I make that 5.9%. ( source Ministry of defence / border control) " you mean a leaked document by Richard Rice may not be the full picture and could be stoking up some emotions ?  | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. Which figures are these? Immigration watch" Ah. This explains a lot about your confusion and fear around foreigners. | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. Which figures are these? Immigration watch Ah. This explains a lot about your confusion and fear around foreigners. " No, it’s another false assumption of yours that I have such. Can I ask as I never like to assume, are you perfectly happy with tens of thousands of people, mainly young men crossing the channel to come and live here? | |||
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"Why don't we call people who have come here to seek asylum something novel like .... Asylum seekers. If their case is accepted, we can call them refugees. And if rejected, let's call them failed asylum seekers. But hey, ppl can focus on the illegal nature of their entry. If that's everyone's issues, let's stop worrying about Rwanda and breaking points, let's start focussing on how we can make applying for asylum possible in a way that is legally accessible for all. Change the law to allow asylum to be sought in special designated areas abroad. And set up processing centre in France. I imagine everyone hung up on the illegal aspect would be cool with that.
How many are you willing to house?
How many are you willing to stop ?
All of them . I’m penning a stiffly worded letter to my MP at this very moment. That should do the trick.
Why aren’t you on the beaches stopping them arriving? A letter to your MP is a pathetic response, get out there and protect those borders
As I said earlier, I was raised to obey the law and have faith in the police.
you were happy to send Albanians back to France illegally.
Absolutely. Desperate situations call for desperate measures. Can it only be ‘illegal’ when it suits your position?so breaking the law is okay when you are in desperate measures? That's a slight shift.
How desperate do you think someone who is willing to risk their life to cross the channel is ?
And why are we more desperate as a country than them as individuals ?
And just to be clear. The way they enter is illegal. Because for the majority there is no other way. And we have signed a treaty that recognises this, and agrees not to punish those who illegally enter because of this.
But it doesn't appear that you really care about legal or illegal. Because you will break others law when it suits you.
Thats fine. You can be against taking on refugees because you are worried about the strain on infrastructure or any other reason.
But there always seems to be a focus on the legality. Yet many turn to illegal means to counter it. "You assume they are refugees. | |||
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"This should be no surprise as Albania has an open door to refugees. The UK last year was eyeing up a scheme to extradite people to Albania, similar to the controversial Rwanda scheme, which costs £600,000 for each deportee For clarity OP, the 40% are not Albanian, they have come via Albania. Correction. They have come via France. Both can be true..." No, Albania is a long way in a small dingy. | |||
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"Both can be true... No, Albania is a long way in a small dingy." Via doesn't mean "directly from" via (preposition) travelling through (a place) en route to a destination. So they could from Syria Via, Turkey, Greece, Albania, Italy, France and then get to their destination of the UK. They still came Via those 5 other countries. | |||
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"Both can be true... No, Albania is a long way in a small dingy. Via doesn't mean "directly from" via (preposition) travelling through (a place) en route to a destination. So they could from Syria Via, Turkey, Greece, Albania, Italy, France and then get to their destination of the UK. They still came Via those 5 other countries." Crikey. We seem unable to determine the age of many of them or where they originate from as they often state the country that they think will serve them best, so why should we be interested in which countries they transited through? We do know they are mainly young men though. | |||
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"Why don't we call people who have come here to seek asylum something novel like .... Asylum seekers. If their case is accepted, we can call them refugees. And if rejected, let's call them failed asylum seekers. But hey, ppl can focus on the illegal nature of their entry. If that's everyone's issues, let's stop worrying about Rwanda and breaking points, let's start focussing on how we can make applying for asylum possible in a way that is legally accessible for all. Change the law to allow asylum to be sought in special designated areas abroad. And set up processing centre in France. I imagine everyone hung up on the illegal aspect would be cool with that.
How many are you willing to house?
How many are you willing to stop ?
All of them . I’m penning a stiffly worded letter to my MP at this very moment. That should do the trick.
Why aren’t you on the beaches stopping them arriving? A letter to your MP is a pathetic response, get out there and protect those borders
As I said earlier, I was raised to obey the law and have faith in the police.
you were happy to send Albanians back to France illegally.
Absolutely. Desperate situations call for desperate measures. Can it only be ‘illegal’ when it suits your position?so breaking the law is okay when you are in desperate measures? That's a slight shift.
How desperate do you think someone who is willing to risk their life to cross the channel is ?
And why are we more desperate as a country than them as individuals ?
And just to be clear. The way they enter is illegal. Because for the majority there is no other way. And we have signed a treaty that recognises this, and agrees not to punish those who illegally enter because of this.
But it doesn't appear that you really care about legal or illegal. Because you will break others law when it suits you.
Thats fine. You can be against taking on refugees because you are worried about the strain on infrastructure or any other reason.
But there always seems to be a focus on the legality. Yet many turn to illegal means to counter it.
You assume they are refugees."I assume they are refugees as the vast majority are granted asylum. Why do you believe they are not ? | |||
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"Why don't we call people who have come here to seek asylum something novel like .... Asylum seekers. If their case is accepted, we can call them refugees. And if rejected, let's call them failed asylum seekers. But hey, ppl can focus on the illegal nature of their entry. If that's everyone's issues, let's stop worrying about Rwanda and breaking points, let's start focussing on how we can make applying for asylum possible in a way that is legally accessible for all. Change the law to allow asylum to be sought in special designated areas abroad. And set up processing centre in France. I imagine everyone hung up on the illegal aspect would be cool with that.
How many are you willing to house?
How many are you willing to stop ?
All of them . I’m penning a stiffly worded letter to my MP at this very moment. That should do the trick.
Why aren’t you on the beaches stopping them arriving? A letter to your MP is a pathetic response, get out there and protect those borders
As I said earlier, I was raised to obey the law and have faith in the police.
you were happy to send Albanians back to France illegally.
Absolutely. Desperate situations call for desperate measures. Can it only be ‘illegal’ when it suits your position?so breaking the law is okay when you are in desperate measures? That's a slight shift.
How desperate do you think someone who is willing to risk their life to cross the channel is ?
And why are we more desperate as a country than them as individuals ?
And just to be clear. The way they enter is illegal. Because for the majority there is no other way. And we have signed a treaty that recognises this, and agrees not to punish those who illegally enter because of this.
But it doesn't appear that you really care about legal or illegal. Because you will break others law when it suits you.
Thats fine. You can be against taking on refugees because you are worried about the strain on infrastructure or any other reason.
But there always seems to be a focus on the legality. Yet many turn to illegal means to counter it.
You assume they are refugees.I assume they are refugees as the vast majority are granted asylum. Why do you believe they are not ?"Because they are economic migrants. They are not seeking refuge. Not one of them! | |||
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"Both can be true... No, Albania is a long way in a small dingy. Via doesn't mean "directly from" via (preposition) travelling through (a place) en route to a destination. So they could from Syria Via, Turkey, Greece, Albania, Italy, France and then get to their destination of the UK. They still came Via those 5 other countries. Crikey. We seem unable to determine the age of many of them or where they originate from as they often state the country that they think will serve them best, so why should we be interested in which countries they transited through? We do know they are mainly young men though." You are the one who was arguing they came Via France not Albania. I was just showing you it could be both. But feel free to shift your argument once proven wrong. | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. Which figures are these? Immigration watch Ah. This explains a lot about your confusion and fear around foreigners. No, it’s another false assumption of yours that I have such. Can I ask as I never like to assume, are you perfectly happy with tens of thousands of people, mainly young men crossing the channel to come and live here?" tbh, if my concerns were about the number of ppl coming to work here, I'd focus on work visas which are about 10x to 15x the levels of asylums granted. I also think that our aging population demograohic will be welcoming young men to work here soon enough. | |||
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"Why don't we call people who have come here to seek asylum something novel like .... Asylum seekers. If their case is accepted, we can call them refugees. And if rejected, let's call them failed asylum seekers. But hey, ppl can focus on the illegal nature of their entry. If that's everyone's issues, let's stop worrying about Rwanda and breaking points, let's start focussing on how we can make applying for asylum possible in a way that is legally accessible for all. Change the law to allow asylum to be sought in special designated areas abroad. And set up processing centre in France. I imagine everyone hung up on the illegal aspect would be cool with that.
How many are you willing to house?
How many are you willing to stop ?
All of them . I’m penning a stiffly worded letter to my MP at this very moment. That should do the trick.
Why aren’t you on the beaches stopping them arriving? A letter to your MP is a pathetic response, get out there and protect those borders
As I said earlier, I was raised to obey the law and have faith in the police.
you were happy to send Albanians back to France illegally.
Absolutely. Desperate situations call for desperate measures. Can it only be ‘illegal’ when it suits your position?so breaking the law is okay when you are in desperate measures? That's a slight shift.
How desperate do you think someone who is willing to risk their life to cross the channel is ?
And why are we more desperate as a country than them as individuals ?
And just to be clear. The way they enter is illegal. Because for the majority there is no other way. And we have signed a treaty that recognises this, and agrees not to punish those who illegally enter because of this.
But it doesn't appear that you really care about legal or illegal. Because you will break others law when it suits you.
Thats fine. You can be against taking on refugees because you are worried about the strain on infrastructure or any other reason.
But there always seems to be a focus on the legality. Yet many turn to illegal means to counter it.
You assume they are refugees.I assume they are refugees as the vast majority are granted asylum. Why do you believe they are not ?
Because they are economic migrants. They are not seeking refuge. Not one of them! "Not one of them? it isn't possible that one of them has a legitimate claim of asylum? How can that possibly be true when you were just saying that we hardly know how old they are let alone more complicated details? | |||
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"Why don't we call people who have come here to seek asylum something novel like .... Asylum seekers. If their case is accepted, we can call them refugees. And if rejected, let's call them failed asylum seekers. But hey, ppl can focus on the illegal nature of their entry. If that's everyone's issues, let's stop worrying about Rwanda and breaking points, let's start focussing on how we can make applying for asylum possible in a way that is legally accessible for all. Change the law to allow asylum to be sought in special designated areas abroad. And set up processing centre in France. I imagine everyone hung up on the illegal aspect would be cool with that.
How many are you willing to house?
How many are you willing to stop ?
All of them . I’m penning a stiffly worded letter to my MP at this very moment. That should do the trick.
Why aren’t you on the beaches stopping them arriving? A letter to your MP is a pathetic response, get out there and protect those borders
As I said earlier, I was raised to obey the law and have faith in the police.
you were happy to send Albanians back to France illegally.
Absolutely. Desperate situations call for desperate measures. Can it only be ‘illegal’ when it suits your position?so breaking the law is okay when you are in desperate measures? That's a slight shift.
How desperate do you think someone who is willing to risk their life to cross the channel is ?
And why are we more desperate as a country than them as individuals ?
And just to be clear. The way they enter is illegal. Because for the majority there is no other way. And we have signed a treaty that recognises this, and agrees not to punish those who illegally enter because of this.
But it doesn't appear that you really care about legal or illegal. Because you will break others law when it suits you.
Thats fine. You can be against taking on refugees because you are worried about the strain on infrastructure or any other reason.
But there always seems to be a focus on the legality. Yet many turn to illegal means to counter it.
You assume they are refugees.I assume they are refugees as the vast majority are granted asylum. Why do you believe they are not ?
Because they are economic migrants. They are not seeking refuge. Not one of them! "so none are claiming to be refugees? Do you have any evidence for this. Did the leaked report mention this? You think it would ! | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. Which figures are these? Immigration watch Ah. This explains a lot about your confusion and fear around foreigners. No, it’s another false assumption of yours that I have such. Can I ask as I never like to assume, are you perfectly happy with tens of thousands of people, mainly young men crossing the channel to come and live here?" Of course you may ask. And no, I am not afraid of of confused about foreigners. | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. Which figures are these? Immigration watch Ah. This explains a lot about your confusion and fear around foreigners. No, it’s another false assumption of yours that I have such. Can I ask as I never like to assume, are you perfectly happy with tens of thousands of people, mainly young men crossing the channel to come and live here? Of course you may ask. And no, I am not afraid of of confused about foreigners." That wasn’t the question as you well know. None of us on here are afraid or confused of foreigners. | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. Which figures are these? Immigration watch Ah. This explains a lot about your confusion and fear around foreigners. No, it’s another false assumption of yours that I have such. Can I ask as I never like to assume, are you perfectly happy with tens of thousands of people, mainly young men crossing the channel to come and live here? Of course you may ask. And no, I am not afraid of of confused about foreigners. That wasn’t the question as you well know. None of us on here are afraid or confused of foreigners. " Oh, maybe you need to contact the admins. Someone keeps using your account to start new threads posting up that you're confused and afraid of foreigners. | |||
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"Why don't we call people who have come here to seek asylum something novel like .... Asylum seekers. If their case is accepted, we can call them refugees. And if rejected, let's call them failed asylum seekers. But hey, ppl can focus on the illegal nature of their entry. If that's everyone's issues, let's stop worrying about Rwanda and breaking points, let's start focussing on how we can make applying for asylum possible in a way that is legally accessible for all. Change the law to allow asylum to be sought in special designated areas abroad. And set up processing centre in France. I imagine everyone hung up on the illegal aspect would be cool with that.
How many are you willing to house?
How many are you willing to stop ?
All of them . I’m penning a stiffly worded letter to my MP at this very moment. That should do the trick.
Why aren’t you on the beaches stopping them arriving? A letter to your MP is a pathetic response, get out there and protect those borders
As I said earlier, I was raised to obey the law and have faith in the police.
you were happy to send Albanians back to France illegally.
Absolutely. Desperate situations call for desperate measures. Can it only be ‘illegal’ when it suits your position?so breaking the law is okay when you are in desperate measures? That's a slight shift.
How desperate do you think someone who is willing to risk their life to cross the channel is ?
And why are we more desperate as a country than them as individuals ?
And just to be clear. The way they enter is illegal. Because for the majority there is no other way. And we have signed a treaty that recognises this, and agrees not to punish those who illegally enter because of this.
But it doesn't appear that you really care about legal or illegal. Because you will break others law when it suits you.
Thats fine. You can be against taking on refugees because you are worried about the strain on infrastructure or any other reason.
But there always seems to be a focus on the legality. Yet many turn to illegal means to counter it.
You assume they are refugees.I assume they are refugees as the vast majority are granted asylum. Why do you believe they are not ?
Because they are economic migrants. They are not seeking refuge. Not one of them! so none are claiming to be refugees? Do you have any evidence for this.
Did the leaked report mention this? You think it would !
"I don’t know anything of a leaked report. Clearly we are not being given the full facts. Of course they claim to be refugees, they are desperate not daft. | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. Which figures are these? Immigration watch Ah. This explains a lot about your confusion and fear around foreigners. No, it’s another false assumption of yours that I have such. Can I ask as I never like to assume, are you perfectly happy with tens of thousands of people, mainly young men crossing the channel to come and live here? Of course you may ask. And no, I am not afraid of of confused about foreigners. That wasn’t the question as you well know. None of us on here are afraid or confused of foreigners. Oh, maybe you need to contact the admins. Someone keeps using your account to start new threads posting up that you're confused and afraid of foreigners. "No, again another example of your selective reading and assumptions. | |||
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"Why don't we call people who have come here to seek asylum something novel like .... Asylum seekers. If their case is accepted, we can call them refugees. And if rejected, let's call them failed asylum seekers. But hey, ppl can focus on the illegal nature of their entry. If that's everyone's issues, let's stop worrying about Rwanda and breaking points, let's start focussing on how we can make applying for asylum possible in a way that is legally accessible for all. Change the law to allow asylum to be sought in special designated areas abroad. And set up processing centre in France. I imagine everyone hung up on the illegal aspect would be cool with that.
How many are you willing to house?
How many are you willing to stop ?
All of them . I’m penning a stiffly worded letter to my MP at this very moment. That should do the trick.
Why aren’t you on the beaches stopping them arriving? A letter to your MP is a pathetic response, get out there and protect those borders
As I said earlier, I was raised to obey the law and have faith in the police.
you were happy to send Albanians back to France illegally.
Absolutely. Desperate situations call for desperate measures. Can it only be ‘illegal’ when it suits your position?so breaking the law is okay when you are in desperate measures? That's a slight shift.
How desperate do you think someone who is willing to risk their life to cross the channel is ?
And why are we more desperate as a country than them as individuals ?
And just to be clear. The way they enter is illegal. Because for the majority there is no other way. And we have signed a treaty that recognises this, and agrees not to punish those who illegally enter because of this.
But it doesn't appear that you really care about legal or illegal. Because you will break others law when it suits you.
Thats fine. You can be against taking on refugees because you are worried about the strain on infrastructure or any other reason.
But there always seems to be a focus on the legality. Yet many turn to illegal means to counter it.
You assume they are refugees.I assume they are refugees as the vast majority are granted asylum. Why do you believe they are not ?
Because they are economic migrants. They are not seeking refuge. Not one of them!
Not one of them? it isn't possible that one of them has a legitimate claim of asylum?
How can that possibly be true when you were just saying that we hardly know how old they are let alone more complicated details?"Asylum or seeking refuge? | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. Which figures are these? Immigration watch Ah. This explains a lot about your confusion and fear around foreigners. No, it’s another false assumption of yours that I have such. Can I ask as I never like to assume, are you perfectly happy with tens of thousands of people, mainly young men crossing the channel to come and live here?tbh, if my concerns were about the number of ppl coming to work here, I'd focus on work visas which are about 10x to 15x the levels of asylums granted. I also think that our aging population demograohic will be welcoming young men to work here soon enough. " We all accept the need for immigration don’t we? | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. Which figures are these? Immigration watch Ah. This explains a lot about your confusion and fear around foreigners. No, it’s another false assumption of yours that I have such. Can I ask as I never like to assume, are you perfectly happy with tens of thousands of people, mainly young men crossing the channel to come and live here? Of course you may ask. And no, I am not afraid of of confused about foreigners. That wasn’t the question as you well know. None of us on here are afraid or confused of foreigners. Oh, maybe you need to contact the admins. Someone keeps using your account to start new threads posting up that you're confused and afraid of foreigners.
No, again another example of your selective reading and assumptions. "So why do you post every day expressing worry/concern/confusion whatever you want to call it, about foreigners? | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. Which figures are these? Immigration watch Ah. This explains a lot about your confusion and fear around foreigners. No, it’s another false assumption of yours that I have such. Can I ask as I never like to assume, are you perfectly happy with tens of thousands of people, mainly young men crossing the channel to come and live here? Of course you may ask. And no, I am not afraid of of confused about foreigners. That wasn’t the question as you well know. None of us on here are afraid or confused of foreigners. Oh, maybe you need to contact the admins. Someone keeps using your account to start new threads posting up that you're confused and afraid of foreigners. "In fact, if you can’t keep up, please keep out. Or start your own posts. | |||
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"Why don't we call people who have come here to seek asylum something novel like .... Asylum seekers. If their case is accepted, we can call them refugees. And if rejected, let's call them failed asylum seekers. But hey, ppl can focus on the illegal nature of their entry. If that's everyone's issues, let's stop worrying about Rwanda and breaking points, let's start focussing on how we can make applying for asylum possible in a way that is legally accessible for all. Change the law to allow asylum to be sought in special designated areas abroad. And set up processing centre in France. I imagine everyone hung up on the illegal aspect would be cool with that.
How many are you willing to house?
How many are you willing to stop ?
All of them . I’m penning a stiffly worded letter to my MP at this very moment. That should do the trick.
Why aren’t you on the beaches stopping them arriving? A letter to your MP is a pathetic response, get out there and protect those borders
As I said earlier, I was raised to obey the law and have faith in the police.
you were happy to send Albanians back to France illegally.
Absolutely. Desperate situations call for desperate measures. Can it only be ‘illegal’ when it suits your position?so breaking the law is okay when you are in desperate measures? That's a slight shift.
How desperate do you think someone who is willing to risk their life to cross the channel is ?
And why are we more desperate as a country than them as individuals ?
And just to be clear. The way they enter is illegal. Because for the majority there is no other way. And we have signed a treaty that recognises this, and agrees not to punish those who illegally enter because of this.
But it doesn't appear that you really care about legal or illegal. Because you will break others law when it suits you.
Thats fine. You can be against taking on refugees because you are worried about the strain on infrastructure or any other reason.
But there always seems to be a focus on the legality. Yet many turn to illegal means to counter it.
You assume they are refugees.I assume they are refugees as the vast majority are granted asylum. Why do you believe they are not ?
Because they are economic migrants. They are not seeking refuge. Not one of them! so none are claiming to be refugees? Do you have any evidence for this.
Did the leaked report mention this? You think it would !
I don’t know anything of a leaked report. Clearly we are not being given the full facts. Of course they claim to be refugees, they are desperate not daft."the 40pc in your original post comes from a leaked report. Leaked by none other than Richard Tice. Did you just read a headline before starting this thread ? | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. Which figures are these? Immigration watch Ah. This explains a lot about your confusion and fear around foreigners. No, it’s another false assumption of yours that I have such. Can I ask as I never like to assume, are you perfectly happy with tens of thousands of people, mainly young men crossing the channel to come and live here? Of course you may ask. And no, I am not afraid of of confused about foreigners. That wasn’t the question as you well know. None of us on here are afraid or confused of foreigners. Oh, maybe you need to contact the admins. Someone keeps using your account to start new threads posting up that you're confused and afraid of foreigners.
No, again another example of your selective reading and assumptions.
So why do you post every day expressing worry/concern/confusion whatever you want to call it, about foreigners?"I post what should be legitimate concerns to all that have the best interests of the UK at heart. If one of the stories happened to be about young Englishmen getting pissed up and starting trouble abroad, I would be very critical of such bad behaviour as it damages our reputation. | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. Which figures are these? Immigration watch Ah. This explains a lot about your confusion and fear around foreigners. No, it’s another false assumption of yours that I have such. Can I ask as I never like to assume, are you perfectly happy with tens of thousands of people, mainly young men crossing the channel to come and live here?tbh, if my concerns were about the number of ppl coming to work here, I'd focus on work visas which are about 10x to 15x the levels of asylums granted. I also think that our aging population demograohic will be welcoming young men to work here soon enough. We all accept the need for immigration don’t we? " I have no idea. Do we? I lose track of your position. Can you confirm you accept the need for immigration? | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. Which figures are these? Immigration watch Ah. This explains a lot about your confusion and fear around foreigners. No, it’s another false assumption of yours that I have such. Can I ask as I never like to assume, are you perfectly happy with tens of thousands of people, mainly young men crossing the channel to come and live here? Of course you may ask. And no, I am not afraid of of confused about foreigners. That wasn’t the question as you well know. None of us on here are afraid or confused of foreigners. Oh, maybe you need to contact the admins. Someone keeps using your account to start new threads posting up that you're confused and afraid of foreigners.
No, again another example of your selective reading and assumptions.
So why do you post every day expressing worry/concern/confusion whatever you want to call it, about foreigners?"Every day? Another incorrect assumption | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. Which figures are these? Immigration watch Ah. This explains a lot about your confusion and fear around foreigners. No, it’s another false assumption of yours that I have such. Can I ask as I never like to assume, are you perfectly happy with tens of thousands of people, mainly young men crossing the channel to come and live here?tbh, if my concerns were about the number of ppl coming to work here, I'd focus on work visas which are about 10x to 15x the levels of asylums granted. I also think that our aging population demograohic will be welcoming young men to work here soon enough. We all accept the need for immigration don’t we? I have no idea. Do we? I lose track of your position. Can you confirm you accept the need for immigration? " Of course I do. Good grief! | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. Which figures are these? Immigration watch Ah. This explains a lot about your confusion and fear around foreigners. No, it’s another false assumption of yours that I have such. Can I ask as I never like to assume, are you perfectly happy with tens of thousands of people, mainly young men crossing the channel to come and live here?tbh, if my concerns were about the number of ppl coming to work here, I'd focus on work visas which are about 10x to 15x the levels of asylums granted. I also think that our aging population demograohic will be welcoming young men to work here soon enough. We all accept the need for immigration don’t we? I have no idea. Do we? I lose track of your position. Can you confirm you accept the need for immigration? Of course I do. Good grief! "
So we shouldn't be concerned about people coming here to work then. And we need to be making plans for more people coming here to work, give there is a need.
If we agree that, then is the concern the type of person coming in to work.
(I am of course, adopting your position in assuming they are only coming here to work and not seeking asylum). | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. Which figures are these? Immigration watch Ah. This explains a lot about your confusion and fear around foreigners. No, it’s another false assumption of yours that I have such. Can I ask as I never like to assume, are you perfectly happy with tens of thousands of people, mainly young men crossing the channel to come and live here? Of course you may ask. And no, I am not afraid of of confused about foreigners. That wasn’t the question as you well know. None of us on here are afraid or confused of foreigners. Oh, maybe you need to contact the admins. Someone keeps using your account to start new threads posting up that you're confused and afraid of foreigners.
No, again another example of your selective reading and assumptions.
So why do you post every day expressing worry/concern/confusion whatever you want to call it, about foreigners?
Every day? Another incorrect assumption "I don't monitor your posts. It was a guess. How often do you post up expressing confusion and/or fear about foreigners then? | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. Which figures are these? Immigration watch Ah. This explains a lot about your confusion and fear around foreigners. No, it’s another false assumption of yours that I have such. Can I ask as I never like to assume, are you perfectly happy with tens of thousands of people, mainly young men crossing the channel to come and live here?tbh, if my concerns were about the number of ppl coming to work here, I'd focus on work visas which are about 10x to 15x the levels of asylums granted. I also think that our aging population demograohic will be welcoming young men to work here soon enough. We all accept the need for immigration don’t we? I have no idea. Do we? I lose track of your position. Can you confirm you accept the need for immigration? Of course I do. Good grief!
So we shouldn't be concerned about people coming here to work then. And we need to be making plans for more people coming here to work, give there is a need.
If we agree that, then is the concern the type of person coming in to work.
(I am of course, adopting your position in assuming they are only coming here to work and not seeking asylum). "Absolutely we should be concerned as to the type and who they are. The uncontrolled EU immigration led to disaster. Let’s avoid stuff like that. | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. Which figures are these? Immigration watch Ah. This explains a lot about your confusion and fear around foreigners. No, it’s another false assumption of yours that I have such. Can I ask as I never like to assume, are you perfectly happy with tens of thousands of people, mainly young men crossing the channel to come and live here?tbh, if my concerns were about the number of ppl coming to work here, I'd focus on work visas which are about 10x to 15x the levels of asylums granted. I also think that our aging population demograohic will be welcoming young men to work here soon enough. We all accept the need for immigration don’t we? I have no idea. Do we? I lose track of your position. Can you confirm you accept the need for immigration? Of course I do. Good grief!
So we shouldn't be concerned about people coming here to work then. And we need to be making plans for more people coming here to work, give there is a need.
If we agree that, then is the concern the type of person coming in to work.
(I am of course, adopting your position in assuming they are only coming here to work and not seeking asylum).
Absolutely we should be concerned as to the type and who they are. The uncontrolled EU immigration led to disaster. Let’s avoid stuff like that."Disaster? how? | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. Which figures are these? Immigration watch Ah. This explains a lot about your confusion and fear around foreigners. No, it’s another false assumption of yours that I have such. Can I ask as I never like to assume, are you perfectly happy with tens of thousands of people, mainly young men crossing the channel to come and live here?tbh, if my concerns were about the number of ppl coming to work here, I'd focus on work visas which are about 10x to 15x the levels of asylums granted. I also think that our aging population demograohic will be welcoming young men to work here soon enough. We all accept the need for immigration don’t we? I have no idea. Do we? I lose track of your position. Can you confirm you accept the need for immigration? Of course I do. Good grief!
So we shouldn't be concerned about people coming here to work then. And we need to be making plans for more people coming here to work, give there is a need.
If we agree that, then is the concern the type of person coming in to work.
(I am of course, adopting your position in assuming they are only coming here to work and not seeking asylum).
Absolutely we should be concerned as to the type and who they are. The uncontrolled EU immigration led to disaster. Let’s avoid stuff like that."what is the right type ? | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. Which figures are these? Immigration watch Ah. This explains a lot about your confusion and fear around foreigners. No, it’s another false assumption of yours that I have such. Can I ask as I never like to assume, are you perfectly happy with tens of thousands of people, mainly young men crossing the channel to come and live here?tbh, if my concerns were about the number of ppl coming to work here, I'd focus on work visas which are about 10x to 15x the levels of asylums granted. I also think that our aging population demograohic will be welcoming young men to work here soon enough. We all accept the need for immigration don’t we? I have no idea. Do we? I lose track of your position. Can you confirm you accept the need for immigration? Of course I do. Good grief!
So we shouldn't be concerned about people coming here to work then. And we need to be making plans for more people coming here to work, give there is a need.
If we agree that, then is the concern the type of person coming in to work.
(I am of course, adopting your position in assuming they are only coming here to work and not seeking asylum).
Absolutely we should be concerned as to the type and who they are. The uncontrolled EU immigration led to disaster. Let’s avoid stuff like that.
Disaster? how?"Foreign people being in the UK legally working and contributing to the economy is a "disaster" if you're confused. | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. Which figures are these? Immigration watch Ah. This explains a lot about your confusion and fear around foreigners. No, it’s another false assumption of yours that I have such. Can I ask as I never like to assume, are you perfectly happy with tens of thousands of people, mainly young men crossing the channel to come and live here?tbh, if my concerns were about the number of ppl coming to work here, I'd focus on work visas which are about 10x to 15x the levels of asylums granted. I also think that our aging population demograohic will be welcoming young men to work here soon enough. We all accept the need for immigration don’t we? I have no idea. Do we? I lose track of your position. Can you confirm you accept the need for immigration? Of course I do. Good grief!
So we shouldn't be concerned about people coming here to work then. And we need to be making plans for more people coming here to work, give there is a need.
If we agree that, then is the concern the type of person coming in to work.
(I am of course, adopting your position in assuming they are only coming here to work and not seeking asylum).
Absolutely we should be concerned as to the type and who they are. The uncontrolled EU immigration led to disaster. Let’s avoid stuff like that.
Disaster? how?"Brexit! | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. Which figures are these? Immigration watch Ah. This explains a lot about your confusion and fear around foreigners. No, it’s another false assumption of yours that I have such. Can I ask as I never like to assume, are you perfectly happy with tens of thousands of people, mainly young men crossing the channel to come and live here?tbh, if my concerns were about the number of ppl coming to work here, I'd focus on work visas which are about 10x to 15x the levels of asylums granted. I also think that our aging population demograohic will be welcoming young men to work here soon enough. We all accept the need for immigration don’t we? I have no idea. Do we? I lose track of your position. Can you confirm you accept the need for immigration? Of course I do. Good grief!
So we shouldn't be concerned about people coming here to work then. And we need to be making plans for more people coming here to work, give there is a need.
If we agree that, then is the concern the type of person coming in to work.
(I am of course, adopting your position in assuming they are only coming here to work and not seeking asylum).
Absolutely we should be concerned as to the type and who they are. The uncontrolled EU immigration led to disaster. Let’s avoid stuff like that.
Disaster? how?
Foreign people being in the UK legally working and contributing to the economy is a "disaster" if you're confused."Wide of the mark - again. Please keep out as you have nothing to contribute | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. Which figures are these? Immigration watch Ah. This explains a lot about your confusion and fear around foreigners. No, it’s another false assumption of yours that I have such. Can I ask as I never like to assume, are you perfectly happy with tens of thousands of people, mainly young men crossing the channel to come and live here?tbh, if my concerns were about the number of ppl coming to work here, I'd focus on work visas which are about 10x to 15x the levels of asylums granted. I also think that our aging population demograohic will be welcoming young men to work here soon enough. We all accept the need for immigration don’t we? I have no idea. Do we? I lose track of your position. Can you confirm you accept the need for immigration? Of course I do. Good grief!
So we shouldn't be concerned about people coming here to work then. And we need to be making plans for more people coming here to work, give there is a need.
If we agree that, then is the concern the type of person coming in to work.
(I am of course, adopting your position in assuming they are only coming here to work and not seeking asylum).
Absolutely we should be concerned as to the type and who they are. The uncontrolled EU immigration led to disaster. Let’s avoid stuff like that.what is the right type ? "Do you really need to ask? | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. Which figures are these? Immigration watch Ah. This explains a lot about your confusion and fear around foreigners. No, it’s another false assumption of yours that I have such. Can I ask as I never like to assume, are you perfectly happy with tens of thousands of people, mainly young men crossing the channel to come and live here?tbh, if my concerns were about the number of ppl coming to work here, I'd focus on work visas which are about 10x to 15x the levels of asylums granted. I also think that our aging population demograohic will be welcoming young men to work here soon enough. We all accept the need for immigration don’t we? I have no idea. Do we? I lose track of your position. Can you confirm you accept the need for immigration? Of course I do. Good grief!
So we shouldn't be concerned about people coming here to work then. And we need to be making plans for more people coming here to work, give there is a need.
If we agree that, then is the concern the type of person coming in to work.
(I am of course, adopting your position in assuming they are only coming here to work and not seeking asylum).
Absolutely we should be concerned as to the type and who they are. The uncontrolled EU immigration led to disaster. Let’s avoid stuff like that.
Disaster? how? Brexit! "You are blaming immigrants for Brexit? | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. Which figures are these? Immigration watch Ah. This explains a lot about your confusion and fear around foreigners. No, it’s another false assumption of yours that I have such. Can I ask as I never like to assume, are you perfectly happy with tens of thousands of people, mainly young men crossing the channel to come and live here?tbh, if my concerns were about the number of ppl coming to work here, I'd focus on work visas which are about 10x to 15x the levels of asylums granted. I also think that our aging population demograohic will be welcoming young men to work here soon enough. We all accept the need for immigration don’t we? I have no idea. Do we? I lose track of your position. Can you confirm you accept the need for immigration? Of course I do. Good grief!
So we shouldn't be concerned about people coming here to work then. And we need to be making plans for more people coming here to work, give there is a need.
If we agree that, then is the concern the type of person coming in to work.
(I am of course, adopting your position in assuming they are only coming here to work and not seeking asylum).
Absolutely we should be concerned as to the type and who they are. The uncontrolled EU immigration led to disaster. Let’s avoid stuff like that.
Disaster? how?
Foreign people being in the UK legally working and contributing to the economy is a "disaster" if you're confused.
Wide of the mark - again. Please keep out as you have nothing to contribute "I however welcome your input Johnny! | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. Which figures are these? Immigration watch Ah. This explains a lot about your confusion and fear around foreigners. No, it’s another false assumption of yours that I have such. Can I ask as I never like to assume, are you perfectly happy with tens of thousands of people, mainly young men crossing the channel to come and live here?tbh, if my concerns were about the number of ppl coming to work here, I'd focus on work visas which are about 10x to 15x the levels of asylums granted. I also think that our aging population demograohic will be welcoming young men to work here soon enough. We all accept the need for immigration don’t we? I have no idea. Do we? I lose track of your position. Can you confirm you accept the need for immigration? Of course I do. Good grief!
So we shouldn't be concerned about people coming here to work then. And we need to be making plans for more people coming here to work, give there is a need.
If we agree that, then is the concern the type of person coming in to work.
(I am of course, adopting your position in assuming they are only coming here to work and not seeking asylum).
Absolutely we should be concerned as to the type and who they are. The uncontrolled EU immigration led to disaster. Let’s avoid stuff like that.what is the right type ?
Do you really need to ask? "yes. I'm trying to understand your position. | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. Which figures are these? Immigration watch Ah. This explains a lot about your confusion and fear around foreigners. No, it’s another false assumption of yours that I have such. Can I ask as I never like to assume, are you perfectly happy with tens of thousands of people, mainly young men crossing the channel to come and live here?tbh, if my concerns were about the number of ppl coming to work here, I'd focus on work visas which are about 10x to 15x the levels of asylums granted. I also think that our aging population demograohic will be welcoming young men to work here soon enough. We all accept the need for immigration don’t we? I have no idea. Do we? I lose track of your position. Can you confirm you accept the need for immigration? Of course I do. Good grief!
So we shouldn't be concerned about people coming here to work then. And we need to be making plans for more people coming here to work, give there is a need.
If we agree that, then is the concern the type of person coming in to work.
(I am of course, adopting your position in assuming they are only coming here to work and not seeking asylum).
Absolutely we should be concerned as to the type and who they are. The uncontrolled EU immigration led to disaster. Let’s avoid stuff like that.
Disaster? how? Brexit!
You are blaming immigrants for Brexit? "Absolutely | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. Which figures are these? Immigration watch Ah. This explains a lot about your confusion and fear around foreigners. No, it’s another false assumption of yours that I have such. Can I ask as I never like to assume, are you perfectly happy with tens of thousands of people, mainly young men crossing the channel to come and live here?tbh, if my concerns were about the number of ppl coming to work here, I'd focus on work visas which are about 10x to 15x the levels of asylums granted. I also think that our aging population demograohic will be welcoming young men to work here soon enough. We all accept the need for immigration don’t we? I have no idea. Do we? I lose track of your position. Can you confirm you accept the need for immigration? Of course I do. Good grief!
So we shouldn't be concerned about people coming here to work then. And we need to be making plans for more people coming here to work, give there is a need.
If we agree that, then is the concern the type of person coming in to work.
(I am of course, adopting your position in assuming they are only coming here to work and not seeking asylum).
Absolutely we should be concerned as to the type and who they are. The uncontrolled EU immigration led to disaster. Let’s avoid stuff like that.
Disaster? how?
Foreign people being in the UK legally working and contributing to the economy is a "disaster" if you're confused.
Wide of the mark - again. Please keep out as you have nothing to contribute
I however welcome your input Johnny!"There is no ‘input’ | |||
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"Figures show that 40% of illegal migrants crossing the channel are Albanian. Which figures are these? Immigration watch Ah. This explains a lot about your confusion and fear around foreigners. No, it’s another false assumption of yours that I have such. Can I ask as I never like to assume, are you perfectly happy with tens of thousands of people, mainly young men crossing the channel to come and live here?tbh, if my concerns were about the number of ppl coming to work here, I'd focus on work visas which are about 10x to 15x the levels of asylums granted. I also think that our aging population demograohic will be welcoming young men to work here soon enough. We all accept the need for immigration don’t we? I have no idea. Do we? I lose track of your position. Can you confirm you accept the need for immigration? Of course I do. Good grief!
So we shouldn't be concerned about people coming here to work then. And we need to be making plans for more people coming here to work, give there is a need.
If we agree that, then is the concern the type of person coming in to work.
(I am of course, adopting your position in assuming they are only coming here to work and not seeking asylum).
Absolutely we should be concerned as to the type and who they are. The uncontrolled EU immigration led to disaster. Let’s avoid stuff like that.
Disaster? how? Brexit!
You are blaming immigrants for Brexit? "The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price. | |||
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"Absolutely we should be concerned as to the type and who they are. The uncontrolled EU immigration led to disaster. Let’s avoid stuff like that. Disaster? how? Brexit! You are blaming immigrants for Brexit? The impact on the indigenous population of uncontrolled mass immigration. They weren’t listened to or were written off as racists when they were nothing of the sort. They saw their chance to make a point in 2016. We all pay the price." What absolute nonsense. | |||
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