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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

From a strategic perspective Ukraine is of high value to Russia.

Here is some factoids for you to think about.

Did you know there are proven Gas resources in Ukraine?

Here are the areas

1. Donbas and Kharkiv

2. Crimea and the Azov sea

3. Liyv

Did you know that Western interests in supporting the Ukrainian government isn’t just out of altruism.

He who controls Ukraines natural resources can add additional resource pressure on Europe. So whilst we think that Ukraine is of no real strategic value, and what we do to support Ukraine is good, and if we support militarily, it means that when Ukraine does eventually win, the United Kingdom would probably be at the front of the queue in exploiting those gas reserves.

So the reason why the UK are so up for supporting the Ukrainians is energy. This is why billions of money in military aid is being given.

Who said that this war is something for nothing.

So support Ukraine, because it could help make the Putin regime even weaker.

Because if china are their only customer, the Chinese will dictate terms on their prices and costs of pipelines going east are going to be high.

Russia will lose, and finally we can escape their disruptive influence on our politics.

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By *eanoCoolMan
over a year ago

wisbech


"From a strategic perspective Ukraine is of high value to Russia.

Here is some factoids for you to think about.

Did you know there are proven Gas resources in Ukraine?

Here are the areas

1. Donbas and Kharkiv

2. Crimea and the Azov sea

3. Liyv

Did you know that Western interests in supporting the Ukrainian government isn’t just out of altruism.

He who controls Ukraines natural resources can add additional resource pressure on Europe. So whilst we think that Ukraine is of no real strategic value, and what we do to support Ukraine is good, and if we support militarily, it means that when Ukraine does eventually win, the United Kingdom would probably be at the front of the queue in exploiting those gas reserves.

So the reason why the UK are so up for supporting the Ukrainians is energy. This is why billions of money in military aid is being given.

Who said that this war is something for nothing.

So support Ukraine, because it could help make the Putin regime even weaker.

Because if china are their only customer, the Chinese will dictate terms on their prices and costs of pipelines going east are going to be high.

Russia will lose, and finally we can escape their disruptive influence on our politics.

"

Is this all just your opinion? Or can you back up any of the claims you have made?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

1) Ukraine has energy resources

2) Western countries are helping Ukraine

To claim that 2 is because of 1, you need more evidence. Just establishing motive is not enough.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"From a strategic perspective Ukraine is of high value to Russia.

Here is some factoids for you to think about.

Did you know there are proven Gas resources in Ukraine?

Here are the areas

1. Donbas and Kharkiv

2. Crimea and the Azov sea

3. Liyv

Did you know that Western interests in supporting the Ukrainian government isn’t just out of altruism.

He who controls Ukraines natural resources can add additional resource pressure on Europe. So whilst we think that Ukraine is of no real strategic value, and what we do to support Ukraine is good, and if we support militarily, it means that when Ukraine does eventually win, the United Kingdom would probably be at the front of the queue in exploiting those gas reserves.

So the reason why the UK are so up for supporting the Ukrainians is energy. This is why billions of money in military aid is being given.

Who said that this war is something for nothing.

So support Ukraine, because it could help make the Putin regime even weaker.

Because if china are their only customer, the Chinese will dictate terms on their prices and costs of pipelines going east are going to be high.

Russia will lose, and finally we can escape their disruptive influence on our politics.

Is this all just your opinion? Or can you back up any of the claims you have made? "

Actually yes I can.

I actually hate putting statistics up, because it’s always the usual people whining about numbers yadda yadda yadda.

But I think in this case it’s something useful.

https://www.worldometers.info/gas/ukraine-natural-gas/

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"1) Ukraine has energy resources

2) Western countries are helping Ukraine

To claim that 2 is because of 1, you need more evidence. Just establishing motive is not enough. "

No motive, actual historical events prior to the invasion of crimea in 2014, gas exploratory concessions were provided to shell in the Donbas region, but when Russia invaded the energy companies pulled out because Ukraine was deemed unstable.

Honestly I was quite surprised, so it leads me to think, why would the UK and the EU and the USA be so happy to pour money into this war for?, without any apparent reason?

Putin being aggressive cannot just be the only reason, all he has been doing is been trying in his countless invasions of other ex soviet countries is to control the energy resources, he has shares in his national energy companies making massive amounts of money.

Call me cynical but the Russian government are considered a kleptocracy, money motivates, this war was inevitable, whilst all the world think it just a bad guy being bad isn’t the whole story. Russia wants to subjugate the west, its only weapon is energy.

The west is attempting to move away from fossil fuels, to be become independent by alternative energy. Who loses? Russia, it cannot dictate terms.

The sad truth is this, those who do not support alternative energy and energy self reliance are playing right into Russia’s hands.

Look at Germany, most of their energy came from Russia, now look at them, practically crippled.

British interest are long term, well beyond this conflict.

The biggest mistake in the Iraq war was that it was framed as an oil grab. That’s why so many people were cynical about the allies attempts to put democracy in.

This hasn’t happened in Ukraine, it’s been framed as a fight for democracy, and quietly no one has mentioned this is also a massive grab for gas resources.

Honestly, I think the British public and the rest of the world would not have been as supportive if they knew what else was going on. But hey ho, when hasn’t the British government withheld information to forward their own agenda?

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By *eanoCoolMan
over a year ago

wisbech


"From a strategic perspective Ukraine is of high value to Russia.

Here is some factoids for you to think about.

Did you know there are proven Gas resources in Ukraine?

Here are the areas

1. Donbas and Kharkiv

2. Crimea and the Azov sea

3. Liyv

Did you know that Western interests in supporting the Ukrainian government isn’t just out of altruism.

He who controls Ukraines natural resources can add additional resource pressure on Europe. So whilst we think that Ukraine is of no real strategic value, and what we do to support Ukraine is good, and if we support militarily, it means that when Ukraine does eventually win, the United Kingdom would probably be at the front of the queue in exploiting those gas reserves.

So the reason why the UK are so up for supporting the Ukrainians is energy. This is why billions of money in military aid is being given.

Who said that this war is something for nothing.

So support Ukraine, because it could help make the Putin regime even weaker.

Because if china are their only customer, the Chinese will dictate terms on their prices and costs of pipelines going east are going to be high.

Russia will lose, and finally we can escape their disruptive influence on our politics.

Is this all just your opinion? Or can you back up any of the claims you have made?

Actually yes I can.

I actually hate putting statistics up, because it’s always the usual people whining about numbers yadda yadda yadda.

But I think in this case it’s something useful.

https://www.worldometers.info/gas/ukraine-natural-gas/

"

This does not validate your claim of the west and the UK specifically only helping Ukraine so that it can get its oil and gas though, only what natural resources the Ukraine has but never mind.

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By *rlandoMan
over a year ago

Lincolnshire

take a bit of time to learn about Ukrainian history first......

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"From a strategic perspective Ukraine is of high value to Russia.

Here is some factoids for you to think about.

Did you know there are proven Gas resources in Ukraine?

Here are the areas

1. Donbas and Kharkiv

2. Crimea and the Azov sea

3. Liyv

Did you know that Western interests in supporting the Ukrainian government isn’t just out of altruism.

He who controls Ukraines natural resources can add additional resource pressure on Europe. So whilst we think that Ukraine is of no real strategic value, and what we do to support Ukraine is good, and if we support militarily, it means that when Ukraine does eventually win, the United Kingdom would probably be at the front of the queue in exploiting those gas reserves.

So the reason why the UK are so up for supporting the Ukrainians is energy. This is why billions of money in military aid is being given.

Who said that this war is something for nothing.

So support Ukraine, because it could help make the Putin regime even weaker.

Because if china are their only customer, the Chinese will dictate terms on their prices and costs of pipelines going east are going to be high.

Russia will lose, and finally we can escape their disruptive influence on our politics.

Is this all just your opinion? Or can you back up any of the claims you have made?

Actually yes I can.

I actually hate putting statistics up, because it’s always the usual people whining about numbers yadda yadda yadda.

But I think in this case it’s something useful.

https://www.worldometers.info/gas/ukraine-natural-gas/

This does not validate your claim of the west and the UK specifically only helping Ukraine so that it can get its oil and gas though, only what natural resources the Ukraine has but never mind."

Not going to argue it, your life not mine. I just think it’s interesting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"From a strategic perspective Ukraine is of high value to Russia.

Here is some factoids for you to think about.

Did you know there are proven Gas resources in Ukraine?

Here are the areas

1. Donbas and Kharkiv

2. Crimea and the Azov sea

3. Liyv

Did you know that Western interests in supporting the Ukrainian government isn’t just out of altruism.

He who controls Ukraines natural resources can add additional resource pressure on Europe. So whilst we think that Ukraine is of no real strategic value, and what we do to support Ukraine is good, and if we support militarily, it means that when Ukraine does eventually win, the United Kingdom would probably be at the front of the queue in exploiting those gas reserves.

So the reason why the UK are so up for supporting the Ukrainians is energy. This is why billions of money in military aid is being given.

Who said that this war is something for nothing.

So support Ukraine, because it could help make the Putin regime even weaker.

Because if china are their only customer, the Chinese will dictate terms on their prices and costs of pipelines going east are going to be high.

Russia will lose, and finally we can escape their disruptive influence on our politics.

"

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Russia already has huge natural energy resources, look at the size of Russia.

The area you are talking about is in the possession of Russian forces and will never be given up.

The UK are not fighting in the Ukraine if they were then it would be a disaster for this country. Ukraine has little allegiance to Britain anyway outside of zekensky wanting billions of pounds of British tax payers money.

Russia is going to win the fight in ukraine. Nothing will alter this. If you think Ukraine will win then you are living in a dream world and have no idea whatsoever about the reality of The situation.

In future think before you post total nonsense.

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford


"From a strategic perspective Ukraine is of high value to Russia.

Here is some factoids for you to think about.

Did you know there are proven Gas resources in Ukraine?

Here are the areas

1. Donbas and Kharkiv

2. Crimea and the Azov sea

3. Liyv

Did you know that Western interests in supporting the Ukrainian government isn’t just out of altruism.

He who controls Ukraines natural resources can add additional resource pressure on Europe. So whilst we think that Ukraine is of no real strategic value, and what we do to support Ukraine is good, and if we support militarily, it means that when Ukraine does eventually win, the United Kingdom would probably be at the front of the queue in exploiting those gas reserves.

So the reason why the UK are so up for supporting the Ukrainians is energy. This is why billions of money in military aid is being given.

Who said that this war is something for nothing.

So support Ukraine, because it could help make the Putin regime even weaker.

Because if china are their only customer, the Chinese will dictate terms on their prices and costs of pipelines going east are going to be high.

Russia will lose, and finally we can escape their disruptive influence on our politics.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Russia already has huge natural energy resources, look at the size of Russia.

The area you are talking about is in the possession of Russian forces and will never be given up.

The UK are not fighting in the Ukraine if they were then it would be a disaster for this country. Ukraine has little allegiance to Britain anyway outside of zekensky wanting billions of pounds of British tax payers money.

Russia is going to win the fight in ukraine. Nothing will alter this. If you think Ukraine will win then you are living in a dream world and have no idea whatsoever about the reality of The situation.

In future think before you post total nonsense. "

Oh do go away.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"From a strategic perspective Ukraine is of high value to Russia.

Here is some factoids for you to think about.

Did you know there are proven Gas resources in Ukraine?

Here are the areas

1. Donbas and Kharkiv

2. Crimea and the Azov sea

3. Liyv

Did you know that Western interests in supporting the Ukrainian government isn’t just out of altruism.

He who controls Ukraines natural resources can add additional resource pressure on Europe. So whilst we think that Ukraine is of no real strategic value, and what we do to support Ukraine is good, and if we support militarily, it means that when Ukraine does eventually win, the United Kingdom would probably be at the front of the queue in exploiting those gas reserves.

So the reason why the UK are so up for supporting the Ukrainians is energy. This is why billions of money in military aid is being given.

Who said that this war is something for nothing.

So support Ukraine, because it could help make the Putin regime even weaker.

Because if china are their only customer, the Chinese will dictate terms on their prices and costs of pipelines going east are going to be high.

Russia will lose, and finally we can escape their disruptive influence on our politics.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Russia already has huge natural energy resources, look at the size of Russia.

The area you are talking about is in the possession of Russian forces and will never be given up.

The UK are not fighting in the Ukraine if they were then it would be a disaster for this country. Ukraine has little allegiance to Britain anyway outside of zekensky wanting billions of pounds of British tax payers money.

Russia is going to win the fight in ukraine. Nothing will alter this. If you think Ukraine will win then you are living in a dream world and have no idea whatsoever about the reality of The situation.

In future think before you post total nonsense. "

More drivel

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"From a strategic perspective Ukraine is of high value to Russia.

Here is some factoids for you to think about.

Did you know there are proven Gas resources in Ukraine?

Here are the areas

1. Donbas and Kharkiv

2. Crimea and the Azov sea

3. Liyv

Did you know that Western interests in supporting the Ukrainian government isn’t just out of altruism.

He who controls Ukraines natural resources can add additional resource pressure on Europe. So whilst we think that Ukraine is of no real strategic value, and what we do to support Ukraine is good, and if we support militarily, it means that when Ukraine does eventually win, the United Kingdom would probably be at the front of the queue in exploiting those gas reserves.

So the reason why the UK are so up for supporting the Ukrainians is energy. This is why billions of money in military aid is being given.

Who said that this war is something for nothing.

So support Ukraine, because it could help make the Putin regime even weaker.

Because if china are their only customer, the Chinese will dictate terms on their prices and costs of pipelines going east are going to be high.

Russia will lose, and finally we can escape their disruptive influence on our politics.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Russia already has huge natural energy resources, look at the size of Russia.

The area you are talking about is in the possession of Russian forces and will never be given up.

The UK are not fighting in the Ukraine if they were then it would be a disaster for this country. Ukraine has little allegiance to Britain anyway outside of zekensky wanting billions of pounds of British tax payers money.

Russia is going to win the fight in ukraine. Nothing will alter this. If you think Ukraine will win then you are living in a dream world and have no idea whatsoever about the reality of The situation.

In future think before you post total nonsense.

More drivel "

If you are not going to contribute anything meaningful to any discussion then don't bother. You are just cluttering the topic up with irrelevant and juvenile remarks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"From a strategic perspective Ukraine is of high value to Russia.

Here is some factoids for you to think about.

Did you know there are proven Gas resources in Ukraine?

Here are the areas

1. Donbas and Kharkiv

2. Crimea and the Azov sea

3. Liyv

Did you know that Western interests in supporting the Ukrainian government isn’t just out of altruism.

He who controls Ukraines natural resources can add additional resource pressure on Europe. So whilst we think that Ukraine is of no real strategic value, and what we do to support Ukraine is good, and if we support militarily, it means that when Ukraine does eventually win, the United Kingdom would probably be at the front of the queue in exploiting those gas reserves.

So the reason why the UK are so up for supporting the Ukrainians is energy. This is why billions of money in military aid is being given.

Who said that this war is something for nothing.

So support Ukraine, because it could help make the Putin regime even weaker.

Because if china are their only customer, the Chinese will dictate terms on their prices and costs of pipelines going east are going to be high.

Russia will lose, and finally we can escape their disruptive influence on our politics.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Russia already has huge natural energy resources, look at the size of Russia.

The area you are talking about is in the possession of Russian forces and will never be given up.

The UK are not fighting in the Ukraine if they were then it would be a disaster for this country. Ukraine has little allegiance to Britain anyway outside of zekensky wanting billions of pounds of British tax payers money.

Russia is going to win the fight in ukraine. Nothing will alter this. If you think Ukraine will win then you are living in a dream world and have no idea whatsoever about the reality of The situation.

In future think before you post total nonsense.

More drivel

If you are not going to contribute anything meaningful to any discussion then don't bother. You are just cluttering the topic up with irrelevant and juvenile remarks. "

Are you getting paid to write this?

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford


"From a strategic perspective Ukraine is of high value to Russia.

Here is some factoids for you to think about.

Did you know there are proven Gas resources in Ukraine?

Here are the areas

1. Donbas and Kharkiv

2. Crimea and the Azov sea

3. Liyv

Did you know that Western interests in supporting the Ukrainian government isn’t just out of altruism.

He who controls Ukraines natural resources can add additional resource pressure on Europe. So whilst we think that Ukraine is of no real strategic value, and what we do to support Ukraine is good, and if we support militarily, it means that when Ukraine does eventually win, the United Kingdom would probably be at the front of the queue in exploiting those gas reserves.

So the reason why the UK are so up for supporting the Ukrainians is energy. This is why billions of money in military aid is being given.

Who said that this war is something for nothing.

So support Ukraine, because it could help make the Putin regime even weaker.

Because if china are their only customer, the Chinese will dictate terms on their prices and costs of pipelines going east are going to be high.

Russia will lose, and finally we can escape their disruptive influence on our politics.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Russia already has huge natural energy resources, look at the size of Russia.

The area you are talking about is in the possession of Russian forces and will never be given up.

The UK are not fighting in the Ukraine if they were then it would be a disaster for this country. Ukraine has little allegiance to Britain anyway outside of zekensky wanting billions of pounds of British tax payers money.

Russia is going to win the fight in ukraine. Nothing will alter this. If you think Ukraine will win then you are living in a dream world and have no idea whatsoever about the reality of The situation.

In future think before you post total nonsense.

More drivel

If you are not going to contribute anything meaningful to any discussion then don't bother. You are just cluttering the topic up with irrelevant and juvenile remarks.

Are you getting paid to write this?"

Assuming they are, in this case at least, Putin isn’t getting much value for money.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"From a strategic perspective Ukraine is of high value to Russia.

Here is some factoids for you to think about.

Did you know there are proven Gas resources in Ukraine?

Here are the areas

1. Donbas and Kharkiv

2. Crimea and the Azov sea

3. Liyv

Did you know that Western interests in supporting the Ukrainian government isn’t just out of altruism.

He who controls Ukraines natural resources can add additional resource pressure on Europe. So whilst we think that Ukraine is of no real strategic value, and what we do to support Ukraine is good, and if we support militarily, it means that when Ukraine does eventually win, the United Kingdom would probably be at the front of the queue in exploiting those gas reserves.

So the reason why the UK are so up for supporting the Ukrainians is energy. This is why billions of money in military aid is being given.

Who said that this war is something for nothing.

So support Ukraine, because it could help make the Putin regime even weaker.

Because if china are their only customer, the Chinese will dictate terms on their prices and costs of pipelines going east are going to be high.

Russia will lose, and finally we can escape their disruptive influence on our politics.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Russia already has huge natural energy resources, look at the size of Russia.

The area you are talking about is in the possession of Russian forces and will never be given up.

The UK are not fighting in the Ukraine if they were then it would be a disaster for this country. Ukraine has little allegiance to Britain anyway outside of zekensky wanting billions of pounds of British tax payers money.

Russia is going to win the fight in ukraine. Nothing will alter this. If you think Ukraine will win then you are living in a dream world and have no idea whatsoever about the reality of The situation.

In future think before you post total nonsense. "

Sounds like a polite back off, quite sinister indeed, I wonder if this a sleight of hand trick.

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon


"From a strategic perspective Ukraine is of high value to Russia.

Here is some factoids for you to think about.

Did you know there are proven Gas resources in Ukraine?

Here are the areas

1. Donbas and Kharkiv

2. Crimea and the Azov sea

3. Liyv

Did you know that Western interests in supporting the Ukrainian government isn’t just out of altruism.

He who controls Ukraines natural resources can add additional resource pressure on Europe. So whilst we think that Ukraine is of no real strategic value, and what we do to support Ukraine is good, and if we support militarily, it means that when Ukraine does eventually win, the United Kingdom would probably be at the front of the queue in exploiting those gas reserves.

So the reason why the UK are so up for supporting the Ukrainians is energy. This is why billions of money in military aid is being given.

Who said that this war is something for nothing.

So support Ukraine, because it could help make the Putin regime even weaker.

Because if china are their only customer, the Chinese will dictate terms on their prices and costs of pipelines going east are going to be high.

Russia will lose, and finally we can escape their disruptive influence on our politics.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Russia already has huge natural energy resources, look at the size of Russia.

The area you are talking about is in the possession of Russian forces and will never be given up.

The UK are not fighting in the Ukraine if they were then it would be a disaster for this country. Ukraine has little allegiance to Britain anyway outside of zekensky wanting billions of pounds of British tax payers money.

Russia is going to win the fight in ukraine. Nothing will alter this. If you think Ukraine will win then you are living in a dream world and have no idea whatsoever about the reality of The situation.

In future think before you post total nonsense. "

I’ve no doubt that back in March you would have predicted a “much magnificent victory “ in days. What went wrong ?

How are the tractor production figures today comrade?

What Putin fears is a successful democracy on his doorstep. A chance for Russians to see how they’ve been shafted by boring thuggish thieves.

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By *eanoCoolMan
over a year ago

wisbech


"take a bit of time to learn about Ukrainian history first......"

Ukraine has a very interesting history but its history still does not validate the claim made above. Its history helps to explain where the ops ideas come from but it is not factual proof of the ops claims.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"From a strategic perspective Ukraine is of high value to Russia.

Here is some factoids for you to think about.

Did you know there are proven Gas resources in Ukraine?

Here are the areas

1. Donbas and Kharkiv

2. Crimea and the Azov sea

3. Liyv

Did you know that Western interests in supporting the Ukrainian government isn’t just out of altruism.

He who controls Ukraines natural resources can add additional resource pressure on Europe. So whilst we think that Ukraine is of no real strategic value, and what we do to support Ukraine is good, and if we support militarily, it means that when Ukraine does eventually win, the United Kingdom would probably be at the front of the queue in exploiting those gas reserves.

So the reason why the UK are so up for supporting the Ukrainians is energy. This is why billions of money in military aid is being given.

Who said that this war is something for nothing.

So support Ukraine, because it could help make the Putin regime even weaker.

Because if china are their only customer, the Chinese will dictate terms on their prices and costs of pipelines going east are going to be high.

Russia will lose, and finally we can escape their disruptive influence on our politics.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Russia already has huge natural energy resources, look at the size of Russia.

The area you are talking about is in the possession of Russian forces and will never be given up.

The UK are not fighting in the Ukraine if they were then it would be a disaster for this country. Ukraine has little allegiance to Britain anyway outside of zekensky wanting billions of pounds of British tax payers money.

Russia is going to win the fight in ukraine. Nothing will alter this. If you think Ukraine will win then you are living in a dream world and have no idea whatsoever about the reality of The situation.

In future think before you post total nonsense.

I’ve no doubt that back in March you would have predicted a “much magnificent victory “ in days. What went wrong ?

How are the tractor production figures today comrade?

What Putin fears is a successful democracy on his doorstep. A chance for Russians to see how they’ve been shafted by boring thuggish thieves."

I've told you before, put your Sun newspaper down or better still throw it in the bin.

I've tried my best to educate you on the facts re Ukraine. I can only assume you are unwilling to learn about the situation and just go back to your personal Russiaphobia, xenophobia and repeating headlines from The Sun newspaper.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Russia exposed it's military weaknesses by invading Ukraine. No combat arms maneuvers what so ever. Static lines just like WW1. Trench and artillery fighting. That leads to a prolonged war.

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon


"From a strategic perspective Ukraine is of high value to Russia.

Here is some factoids for you to think about.

Did you know there are proven Gas resources in Ukraine?

Here are the areas

1. Donbas and Kharkiv

2. Crimea and the Azov sea

3. Liyv

Did you know that Western interests in supporting the Ukrainian government isn’t just out of altruism.

He who controls Ukraines natural resources can add additional resource pressure on Europe. So whilst we think that Ukraine is of no real strategic value, and what we do to support Ukraine is good, and if we support militarily, it means that when Ukraine does eventually win, the United Kingdom would probably be at the front of the queue in exploiting those gas reserves.

So the reason why the UK are so up for supporting the Ukrainians is energy. This is why billions of money in military aid is being given.

Who said that this war is something for nothing.

So support Ukraine, because it could help make the Putin regime even weaker.

Because if china are their only customer, the Chinese will dictate terms on their prices and costs of pipelines going east are going to be high.

Russia will lose, and finally we can escape their disruptive influence on our politics.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Russia already has huge natural energy resources, look at the size of Russia.

The area you are talking about is in the possession of Russian forces and will never be given up.

The UK are not fighting in the Ukraine if they were then it would be a disaster for this country. Ukraine has little allegiance to Britain anyway outside of zekensky wanting billions of pounds of British tax payers money.

Russia is going to win the fight in ukraine. Nothing will alter this. If you think Ukraine will win then you are living in a dream world and have no idea whatsoever about the reality of The situation.

In future think before you post total nonsense.

I’ve no doubt that back in March you would have predicted a “much magnificent victory “ in days. What went wrong ?

How are the tractor production figures today comrade?

What Putin fears is a successful democracy on his doorstep. A chance for Russians to see how they’ve been shafted by boring thuggish thieves.

I've told you before, put your Sun newspaper down or better still throw it in the bin.

I've tried my best to educate you on the facts re Ukraine. I can only assume you are unwilling to learn about the situation and just go back to your personal Russiaphobia, xenophobia and repeating headlines from The Sun newspaper.

"

Calm down fella . Make a nice cup of tea - Mr Poo tin will give you his special recipe.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"take a bit of time to learn about Ukrainian history first......

Ukraine has a very interesting history but its history still does not validate the claim made above. Its history helps to explain where the ops ideas come from but it is not factual proof of the ops claims."

So in the words of Vicky pollard, umm yeah, but no, but yeah, but no, but yeah?

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By *rlandoMan
over a year ago

Lincolnshire


"take a bit of time to learn about Ukrainian history first......

Ukraine has a very interesting history but its history still does not validate the claim made above. Its history helps to explain where the ops ideas come from but it is not factual proof of the ops claims.

So in the words of Vicky pollard, umm yeah, but no, but yeah, but no, but yeah?"

you need to put your tin foil hat back on and take a lay down ... or look instead from the Ukrainian viewpoint ,

which you dont know anything ..

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By *eanoCoolMan
over a year ago

wisbech


"take a bit of time to learn about Ukrainian history first......

Ukraine has a very interesting history but its history still does not validate the claim made above. Its history helps to explain where the ops ideas come from but it is not factual proof of the ops claims.

So in the words of Vicky pollard, umm yeah, but no, but yeah, but no, but yeah?"

No idea what you are talking about, the last post I made was not in reply to your self either and vicky pollard won't be able to validate your claim either but never mind.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ukraine has the right to exist just like any other nation. If you think that Russia has claims on her... You are wrong.

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By *rlandoMan
over a year ago

Lincolnshire


"Ukraine has the right to exist just like any other nation. If you think that Russia has claims on her... You are wrong. "

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"take a bit of time to learn about Ukrainian history first......

Ukraine has a very interesting history but its history still does not validate the claim made above. Its history helps to explain where the ops ideas come from but it is not factual proof of the ops claims.

So in the words of Vicky pollard, umm yeah, but no, but yeah, but no, but yeah?

you need to put your tin foil hat back on and take a lay down ... or look instead from the Ukrainian viewpoint ,

which you dont know anything .."

its not really worth the time and effort to convince you, mainly because your full jug, there is really nothing more you can learn as you know the entire world and everything inside it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"take a bit of time to learn about Ukrainian history first......

Ukraine has a very interesting history but its history still does not validate the claim made above. Its history helps to explain where the ops ideas come from but it is not factual proof of the ops claims.

So in the words of Vicky pollard, umm yeah, but no, but yeah, but no, but yeah?

No idea what you are talking about, the last post I made was not in reply to your self either and vicky pollard won't be able to validate your claim either but never mind."

Of course you don't,you do you ok

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Ukraine has the right to exist just like any other nation. If you think that Russia has claims on her... You are wrong. "

It does, it does, but the aftermath is different, I hope the UK gets its money back, and we get first dibs on the Gas resources, once Russia loses.

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By *uddy laneMan
over a year ago

dudley


"Ukraine has the right to exist just like any other nation. If you think that Russia has claims on her... You are wrong.

It does, it does, but the aftermath is different, I hope the UK gets its money back, and we get first dibs on the Gas resources, once Russia loses. "

People need to remember Mr putin has threatened nukes will fly and a few teeth been knocked out.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Ukraine has the right to exist just like any other nation. If you think that Russia has claims on her... You are wrong.

It does, it does, but the aftermath is different, I hope the UK gets its money back, and we get first dibs on the Gas resources, once Russia loses.

People need to remember Mr putin has threatened nukes will fly and a few teeth been knocked out."

Turing the world into an irradiated wasteland is not good business, how do you make money when most of the consumers are charred skeletons?

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol


"Ukraine has the right to exist just like any other nation. If you think that Russia has claims on her... You are wrong.

It does, it does, but the aftermath is different, I hope the UK gets its money back, and we get first dibs on the Gas resources, once Russia loses.

People need to remember Mr putin has threatened nukes will fly and a few teeth been knocked out."

Looking at his track record with munitions I would be surprised if half his nukes still work

Still there’s fek all any of us can do about it so I don’t waste a lot of time worrying about it

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford


"Ukraine has the right to exist just like any other nation. If you think that Russia has claims on her... You are wrong.

It does, it does, but the aftermath is different, I hope the UK gets its money back, and we get first dibs on the Gas resources, once Russia loses.

People need to remember Mr putin has threatened nukes will fly and a few teeth been knocked out.

Looking at his track record with munitions I would be surprised if half his nukes still work

Still there’s fek all any of us can do about it so I don’t waste a lot of time worrying about it "

Sadly half would be more than enough

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ukraine has the right to exist just like any other nation. If you think that Russia has claims on her... You are wrong.

It does, it does, but the aftermath is different, I hope the UK gets its money back, and we get first dibs on the Gas resources, once Russia loses.

People need to remember Mr putin has threatened nukes will fly and a few teeth been knocked out."

Putin is just like china with pelosi visiting same bluster different countries. All talk and posturing.

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