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"Sir Mo Farah is an illegal immigrant. He should be treated without sympathy and sent back to where he came from. Knighthood revoked. Medals returned. No sympathy, right? All illegal immigrants should be treated the same, shouldn't they? Yes, this is all hyperbole. I don't believe that any of this should be done. However, I'm interested to know how those who have the hardest hearts view this situation. Can you be consistent or will you tie yourselves in knots?" He was a kid at the time, the culpability lies elsewhere. As for the knighthood, I’m undecided on that. The medals he won legit, he was brought up through our school system so no problem with him representing Team GB. I hope I have demonstrated my tying of myself in knots to the desired effect. | |||
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"Sir Mo Farah is an illegal immigrant. He should be treated without sympathy and sent back to where he came from. Knighthood revoked. Medals returned. No sympathy, right? All illegal immigrants should be treated the same, shouldn't they? Yes, this is all hyperbole. I don't believe that any of this should be done. However, I'm interested to know how those who have the hardest hearts view this situation. Can you be consistent or will you tie yourselves in knots? He was a kid at the time, the culpability lies elsewhere. As for the knighthood, I’m undecided on that. The medals he won legit, he was brought up through our school system so no problem with him representing Team GB. I hope I have demonstrated my tying of myself in knots to the desired effect." Mr farah did say he was brought to the UK to be chattel by organised and cunning individual/s when he was a young child and it is highly unlikely to be a isolated incident. | |||
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"Sir Mo Farah is an illegal immigrant. He should be treated without sympathy and sent back to where he came from. Knighthood revoked. Medals returned. No sympathy, right? All illegal immigrants should be treated the same, shouldn't they? Yes, this is all hyperbole. I don't believe that any of this should be done. However, I'm interested to know how those who have the hardest hearts view this situation. Can you be consistent or will you tie yourselves in knots? He was a kid at the time, the culpability lies elsewhere. As for the knighthood, I’m undecided on that. The medals he won legit, he was brought up through our school system so no problem with him representing Team GB. I hope I have demonstrated my tying of myself in knots to the desired effect." The children of "illegal immigrants" should be allowed to stay then, or children sent to stay with family here? What about those trafficked to the UK? Should they all stay? His application for British citizenship was made under a false name. Why does our school system make a gold medal legitimate but not a knighthood? You have demonstrated very well. | |||
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"Sir Mo Farah is an illegal immigrant. He should be treated without sympathy and sent back to where he came from. Knighthood revoked. Medals returned. No sympathy, right? All illegal immigrants should be treated the same, shouldn't they? Yes, this is all hyperbole. I don't believe that any of this should be done. However, I'm interested to know how those who have the hardest hearts view this situation. Can you be consistent or will you tie yourselves in knots? He was a kid at the time, the culpability lies elsewhere. As for the knighthood, I’m undecided on that. The medals he won legit, he was brought up through our school system so no problem with him representing Team GB. I hope I have demonstrated my tying of myself in knots to the desired effect. The children of "illegal immigrants" should be allowed to stay then, or children sent to stay with family here? What about those trafficked to the UK? Should they all stay? His application for British citizenship was made under a false name. Why does our school system make a gold medal legitimate but not a knighthood? You have demonstrated very well." A child should remain with their parents if under a certain age wherever that is. As for Sir Mo, he’s no longer a kid. As for the school system, I see that as part of the pathway to citizenship and representing the country in sports, I don’t think the IOC care about his means of entry into the UK and assumed name. | |||
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"They should go to Rwanda. So should he. He'll be fine there." If he is to be sent anywhere, why pay for him a hotel in Rwanda rather than send him back to his mother in Somaliland ? | |||
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"Sir Mo Farah is an illegal immigrant. He should be treated without sympathy and sent back to where he came from. Knighthood revoked. Medals returned. No sympathy, right? All illegal immigrants should be treated the same, shouldn't they? Yes, this is all hyperbole. I don't believe that any of this should be done. However, I'm interested to know how those who have the hardest hearts view this situation. Can you be consistent or will you tie yourselves in knots? He was a kid at the time, the culpability lies elsewhere. As for the knighthood, I’m undecided on that. The medals he won legit, he was brought up through our school system so no problem with him representing Team GB. I hope I have demonstrated my tying of myself in knots to the desired effect. The children of "illegal immigrants" should be allowed to stay then, or children sent to stay with family here? What about those trafficked to the UK? Should they all stay? His application for British citizenship was made under a false name. Why does our school system make a gold medal legitimate but not a knighthood? You have demonstrated very well." But surely it’s not the same as young adults coming here through the wrong Chanel’s ? He was a child and brought here without having any say in it. The currant migrants make their own choice to come here for financial reasons. | |||
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"Sir Mo Farah is an illegal immigrant. He should be treated without sympathy and sent back to where he came from. Knighthood revoked. Medals returned. No sympathy, right? All illegal immigrants should be treated the same, shouldn't they? Yes, this is all hyperbole. I don't believe that any of this should be done. However, I'm interested to know how those who have the hardest hearts view this situation. Can you be consistent or will you tie yourselves in knots? He was a kid at the time, the culpability lies elsewhere. As for the knighthood, I’m undecided on that. The medals he won legit, he was brought up through our school system so no problem with him representing Team GB. I hope I have demonstrated my tying of myself in knots to the desired effect. The children of "illegal immigrants" should be allowed to stay then, or children sent to stay with family here? What about those trafficked to the UK? Should they all stay? His application for British citizenship was made under a false name. Why does our school system make a gold medal legitimate but not a knighthood? You have demonstrated very well. But surely it’s not the same as young adults coming here through the wrong Chanel’s ? He was a child and brought here without having any say in it. The currant migrants make their own choice to come here for financial reasons. " Current migrants, can you expand on this? | |||
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"Sir Mo Farah is an illegal immigrant. He should be treated without sympathy and sent back to where he came from. Knighthood revoked. Medals returned. No sympathy, right? All illegal immigrants should be treated the same, shouldn't they? Yes, this is all hyperbole. I don't believe that any of this should be done. However, I'm interested to know how those who have the hardest hearts view this situation. Can you be consistent or will you tie yourselves in knots? He was a kid at the time, the culpability lies elsewhere. As for the knighthood, I’m undecided on that. The medals he won legit, he was brought up through our school system so no problem with him representing Team GB. I hope I have demonstrated my tying of myself in knots to the desired effect. The children of "illegal immigrants" should be allowed to stay then, or children sent to stay with family here? What about those trafficked to the UK? Should they all stay? His application for British citizenship was made under a false name. Why does our school system make a gold medal legitimate but not a knighthood? You have demonstrated very well. But surely it’s not the same as young adults coming here through the wrong Chanel’s ? He was a child and brought here without having any say in it. The currant migrants make their own choice to come here for financial reasons. " Do you have any evidence to back up that claim? | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"?" Yes, I think we should | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"?" Refer to who as expats? | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"?" That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here." Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. | |||
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"The rhetorical and illustrative of hypocrisy nature of the OP seems lost on some people. When did so many people become so literal "I think we all ‘get’ where the OP is coming from. Not too sure where he’s going though. As ever, he raises a fascinating topic. | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. " Immigrants, by chance? | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. " 
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms.
Now you're starting to get it! "Get what? | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance?" Legal ones with the means to support themselves. | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. " By working? | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms.
Now you're starting to get it!
Get what? "Urg. I thought we'd made a breakthrough. Nevermind. | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? " Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms.
Now you're starting to get it!
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Urg. I thought we'd made a breakthrough.
Nevermind."Please explain as I’m just a thick, bigoted narrow minded racist. | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home." 15 to a bedroom? | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? " I’ve seen it. And makeshift sheds / garages in Hounslow, Slough etc. I’ve also seen many well off Indians in London that openly brag as to how many ‘staff’ they have to wait on and clean for them. | |||
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"However, I'm interested to know how those who have the hardest hearts view this situation." I'll volunteer as owner of one of the hardest of hearts. If I'd spotted him at immigration when he was 8 or 9, I would have had him sent home. If I'd found out when he applied to school at age 11 and with no previous schooling, I'd have had him sent home. If I'd discovered him when his citizenship application came through. I would note that the application was fraudulent, but that wasn't his fault since he was a minor. I would note that he had 6 years of British education, no criminal record, was possessed of a useful talent, and that he met all the citizenship requirements. I would have granted him citizenship. | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? " I know. Shocking isn’t it? | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? I know. Shocking isn’t it? " Very, especially as it is impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom, do you have an anecdote for this situation? | |||
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"However, I'm interested to know how those who have the hardest hearts view this situation. I'll volunteer as owner of one of the hardest of hearts. If I'd spotted him at immigration when he was 8 or 9, I would have had him sent home. If I'd found out when he applied to school at age 11 and with no previous schooling, I'd have had him sent home. If I'd discovered him when his citizenship application came through. I would note that the application was fraudulent, but that wasn't his fault since he was a minor. I would note that he had 6 years of British education, no criminal record, was possessed of a useful talent, and that he met all the citizenship requirements. I would have granted him citizenship." If you had sent him home at 11 Great Britain would have lost its greatest ever athlete, such small margins in life | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? I know. Shocking isn’t it? Very, especially as it is impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom, do you have an anecdote for this situation? " You have heard of shift work and hot bedding I assume? | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? I know. Shocking isn’t it? Very, especially as it is impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom, do you have an anecdote for this situation? You have heard of shift work and hot bedding I assume? " Yes, is that exclusively for immigrants? anyway, 15 in one bedroom? | |||
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"However, I'm interested to know how those who have the hardest hearts view this situation. I'll volunteer as owner of one of the hardest of hearts. If I'd spotted him at immigration when he was 8 or 9, I would have had him sent home. If I'd found out when he applied to school at age 11 and with no previous schooling, I'd have had him sent home. If I'd discovered him when his citizenship application came through. I would note that the application was fraudulent, but that wasn't his fault since he was a minor. I would note that he had 6 years of British education, no criminal record, was possessed of a useful talent, and that he met all the citizenship requirements. I would have granted him citizenship." The only reason he didn’t have a criminal record is because the police weren’t quick enough to catch him. Now, that is a ‘joke’ before everyone jumps in. | |||
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"Had to chuckle. On a swinger site the idea of 15 in one bedroom is a fantasy for many! "Ha, must be a very big ‘bedroom’ | |||
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"15 to a bedroom? " Watch the TV program "Nightmare Tenants, Slum Landlords" on channel 5. Almost every episode sees a landlord reclaim a property, to find that is full of mattresses. The neighbors then tell them that 'dozens' of people are living there. Most often they are East Europeans, with the initial renter also being East European. | |||
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"15 to a bedroom? Watch the TV program "Nightmare Tenants, Slum Landlords" on channel 5. Almost every episode sees a landlord reclaim a property, to find that is full of mattresses. The neighbors then tell them that 'dozens' of people are living there. Most often they are East Europeans, with the initial renter also being East European." 15 in one bedroom? | |||
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"However, I'm interested to know how those who have the hardest hearts view this situation." "I'll volunteer as owner of one of the hardest of hearts. If I'd spotted him at immigration when he was 8 or 9, I would have had him sent home. If I'd found out when he applied to school at age 11 and with no previous schooling, I'd have had him sent home. If I'd discovered him when his citizenship application came through. I would note that the application was fraudulent, but that wasn't his fault since he was a minor. I would note that he had 6 years of British education, no criminal record, was possessed of a useful talent, and that he met all the citizenship requirements. I would have granted him citizenship." "If you had sent him home at 11 Great Britain would have lost its greatest ever athlete, such small margins in life " That's true. But at the time I would have no way of knowing that. All I could see is a small child, with little grasp of English, who is living under a false name, with 2 people that he isn't related to. Sending him home seems like the best option, both to save the UK the expense of putting him into foster care, and to serve the best interests of the child. | |||
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"15 to a bedroom? Watch the TV program "Nightmare Tenants, Slum Landlords" on channel 5. Almost every episode sees a landlord reclaim a property, to find that is full of mattresses. The neighbors then tell them that 'dozens' of people are living there. Most often they are East Europeans, with the initial renter also being East European. 15 in one bedroom? " I shared a room with three brothers, one of them severely asthmatic by the way, it was no fun but encouraged me to leave home as soon as possible. No hot bedding in those days! | |||
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"15 to a bedroom? Watch the TV program "Nightmare Tenants, Slum Landlords" on channel 5. Almost every episode sees a landlord reclaim a property, to find that is full of mattresses. The neighbors then tell them that 'dozens' of people are living there. Most often they are East Europeans, with the initial renter also being East European. 15 in one bedroom? " Of course this is ALWAYS an immigration problem and not a cost of living crisis where affordable housing is simply non-existent for many | |||
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"15 to a bedroom? Watch the TV program "Nightmare Tenants, Slum Landlords" on channel 5. Almost every episode sees a landlord reclaim a property, to find that is full of mattresses. The neighbors then tell them that 'dozens' of people are living there. Most often they are East Europeans, with the initial renter also being East European. 15 in one bedroom? Of course this is ALWAYS an immigration problem and not a cost of living crisis where affordable housing is simply non-existent for many" Probably nothing the government can do about this. But those small number of people fleeing a warzone sure could solve all our problems by not "coming over 'ere". | |||
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"15 to a bedroom? Watch the TV program "Nightmare Tenants, Slum Landlords" on channel 5. Almost every episode sees a landlord reclaim a property, to find that is full of mattresses. The neighbors then tell them that 'dozens' of people are living there. Most often they are East Europeans, with the initial renter also being East European. 15 in one bedroom? I shared a room with three brothers, one of them severely asthmatic by the way, it was no fun but encouraged me to leave home as soon as possible. No hot bedding in those days! " Nice anecdote , so there wasn’t 15 off you in one bedroom? | |||
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"15 to a bedroom? " "Watch the TV program "Nightmare Tenants, Slum Landlords" on channel 5. Almost every episode sees a landlord reclaim a property, to find that is full of mattresses. The neighbors then tell them that 'dozens' of people are living there. Most often they are East Europeans, with the initial renter also being East European." "15 in one bedroom? " Ah. So it's not the idea that people are exploited that you're questioning, it's the number 15 that you're focused on. No, not every episode has exactly 15 people sharing a single room. | |||
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"15 to a bedroom? Watch the TV program "Nightmare Tenants, Slum Landlords" on channel 5. Almost every episode sees a landlord reclaim a property, to find that is full of mattresses. The neighbors then tell them that 'dozens' of people are living there. Most often they are East Europeans, with the initial renter also being East European. 15 in one bedroom? I shared a room with three brothers, one of them severely asthmatic by the way, it was no fun but encouraged me to leave home as soon as possible. No hot bedding in those days! Nice anecdote , so there wasn’t 15 off you in one bedroom? " It felt like it at times. | |||
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"15 to a bedroom? Watch the TV program "Nightmare Tenants, Slum Landlords" on channel 5. Almost every episode sees a landlord reclaim a property, to find that is full of mattresses. The neighbors then tell them that 'dozens' of people are living there. Most often they are East Europeans, with the initial renter also being East European. 15 in one bedroom? Ah. So it's not the idea that people are exploited that you're questioning, it's the number 15 that you're focused on. No, not every episode has exactly 15 people sharing a single room." Yes, I want evidence of the 15 in a bedroom claim, Some Landlords will exploit anyone , regardless of race, age, sex etc these incidents need to be stopped | |||
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"15 to a bedroom? Watch the TV program "Nightmare Tenants, Slum Landlords" on channel 5. Almost every episode sees a landlord reclaim a property, to find that is full of mattresses. The neighbors then tell them that 'dozens' of people are living there. Most often they are East Europeans, with the initial renter also being East European. 15 in one bedroom? I shared a room with three brothers, one of them severely asthmatic by the way, it was no fun but encouraged me to leave home as soon as possible. No hot bedding in those days! Nice anecdote , so there wasn’t 15 off you in one bedroom? It felt like it at times. " When I were a lad sleeping was a luxury , we had to work 24 hour shifts down pit | |||
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"When I were a lad sleeping was a luxury , we had to work 24 hour shifts down pit " Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife | |||
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"When I were a lad sleeping was a luxury , we had to work 24 hour shifts down pit Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife" Never did us any harm | |||
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"When I were a lad sleeping was a luxury , we had to work 24 hour shifts down pit Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife" Been watching an old TV comedy by any chance? | |||
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"Watch the TV program "Nightmare Tenants, Slum Landlords" on channel 5. Almost every episode sees a landlord reclaim a property, to find that is full of mattresses. The neighbors then tell them that 'dozens' of people are living there. Most often they are East Europeans, with the initial renter also being East European." "Of course this is ALWAYS an immigration problem and not a cost of living crisis where affordable housing is simply non-existent for many" I wasn't attempting to make a point about immigration, just addressing the idea that people might live all crammed together in a room. I've only seen a few episodes all the way through, and parts of several more. There might be some examples of British people in the show, but I've not seen them. All the examples of house repossessions I've seen were East Europeans. The show also covers local council investigations which find people crammed into sub-standard accommodation. The ones I've seen were all Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi. I don't see any of this as an immigration problem. The problem is that people with little means are being exploited, by (in every case I've seen) members of their own ethnic group. | |||
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"When I were a lad sleeping was a luxury , we had to work 24 hour shifts down pit Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife Been watching an old TV comedy by any chance? " 
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"15 to a bedroom? Watch the TV program "Nightmare Tenants, Slum Landlords" on channel 5. Almost every episode sees a landlord reclaim a property, to find that is full of mattresses. The neighbors then tell them that 'dozens' of people are living there. Most often they are East Europeans, with the initial renter also being East European. 15 in one bedroom? Ah. So it's not the idea that people are exploited that you're questioning, it's the number 15 that you're focused on. No, not every episode has exactly 15 people sharing a single room. Yes, I want evidence of the 15 in a bedroom claim, Some Landlords will exploit anyone , regardless of race, age, sex etc these incidents need to be stopped " These arrangements do exist, mainly effecting over stayers who arrived legally with the promise of work and end up at the mercy of a the gangs that lured them here in the first place. This setup is not exclusive nationality. The victims of this S Trade are fearful and that is what keeps them trafficked. Desperate people being manipulated by criminals, are victims. In my opinion, the question of how we should support victims of crime, should be the starting point of discussions. | |||
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"When I were a lad sleeping was a luxury , we had to work 24 hour shifts down pit Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife Been watching an old TV comedy by any chance?
Did sleeping 4 to a bedroom do you any harm? "I think it helped develop me into a well rounded compassionate adult. With three older brothers I learnt at a young age not to get involved in a fight that you can’t win. Apart from preserving my good looks it stood me in good stead through my career. | |||
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"When I were a lad sleeping was a luxury , we had to work 24 hour shifts down pit Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife Been watching an old TV comedy by any chance?
Did sleeping 4 to a bedroom do you any harm?
I think it helped develop me into a well rounded compassionate adult. With three older brothers I learnt at a young age not to get involved in a fight that you can’t win. Apart from preserving my good looks it stood me in good stead through my career. "Exactly | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? I know. Shocking isn’t it? Very, especially as it is impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom, do you have an anecdote for this situation? " I stayed in a hostel dormitory that had capacity to sleep 18 of us. I mean serious debate about immigration to one side to say it's impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom is a strange argument to make | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? I know. Shocking isn’t it? Very, especially as it is impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom, do you have an anecdote for this situation? I stayed in a hostel dormitory that had capacity to sleep 18 of us. I mean serious debate about immigration to one side to say it's impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom is a strange argument to make" I mean on one hand you have army barracks which house 30+. On the other I will admit I think the idea being mentioned was 15 in an area designed for much less, maybe 2 or 3 | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? I know. Shocking isn’t it? Very, especially as it is impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom, do you have an anecdote for this situation? I stayed in a hostel dormitory that had capacity to sleep 18 of us. I mean serious debate about immigration to one side to say it's impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom is a strange argument to make" A dormitory? I am sure you can get 15 people in a very large bedroom, I just don’t think it is that common? Have you ever lived in a house that can house 15 people in one of the bedrooms? | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? I know. Shocking isn’t it? Very, especially as it is impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom, do you have an anecdote for this situation? I stayed in a hostel dormitory that had capacity to sleep 18 of us. I mean serious debate about immigration to one side to say it's impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom is a strange argument to make I mean on one hand you have army barracks which house 30+. On the other I will admit I think the idea being mentioned was 15 in an area designed for much less, maybe 2 or 3" But I think the person posting originally about 15 in one small bedroom probably wasn't far off. They'd just have bunk beds crammed in or mattresses chucked on the floor as they don't give a shit about the occupants | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? I know. Shocking isn’t it? Very, especially as it is impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom, do you have an anecdote for this situation? I stayed in a hostel dormitory that had capacity to sleep 18 of us. I mean serious debate about immigration to one side to say it's impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom is a strange argument to make I mean on one hand you have army barracks which house 30+. On the other I will admit I think the idea being mentioned was 15 in an area designed for much less, maybe 2 or 3 But I think the person posting originally about 15 in one small bedroom probably wasn't far off. They'd just have bunk beds crammed in or mattresses chucked on the floor as they don't give a shit about the occupants" Or not even mattresses for that matter. Just the floor and a sleeping bag. Never witnessed it myself and does sound extreme but I imagine the conditions of a lot of illegal immigrants are extreme and grim and if the person posting said they saw it who I am to say it's a lie? | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? I know. Shocking isn’t it? Very, especially as it is impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom, do you have an anecdote for this situation? I stayed in a hostel dormitory that had capacity to sleep 18 of us. I mean serious debate about immigration to one side to say it's impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom is a strange argument to make I mean on one hand you have army barracks which house 30+. On the other I will admit I think the idea being mentioned was 15 in an area designed for much less, maybe 2 or 3 But I think the person posting originally about 15 in one small bedroom probably wasn't far off. They'd just have bunk beds crammed in or mattresses chucked on the floor as they don't give a shit about the occupants Or not even mattresses for that matter. Just the floor and a sleeping bag. Never witnessed it myself and does sound extreme but I imagine the conditions of a lot of illegal immigrants are extreme and grim and if the person posting said they saw it who I am to say it's a lie? " I was under the impression that the expats arriving by boat were housed in 5 star luxury? | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? I know. Shocking isn’t it? Very, especially as it is impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom, do you have an anecdote for this situation? I stayed in a hostel dormitory that had capacity to sleep 18 of us. I mean serious debate about immigration to one side to say it's impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom is a strange argument to make A dormitory? I am sure you can get 15 people in a very large bedroom, I just don’t think it is that common? Have you ever lived in a house that can house 15 people in one of the bedrooms? " Think of mattresses on the floor right next to each other across the width and length of the room. You may get x sleeping in there at any one time, but those sleeping will be on rotation with work too. Grim and not want they envisaged when they were sold the dream, I'm sure. | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? I know. Shocking isn’t it? Very, especially as it is impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom, do you have an anecdote for this situation? I stayed in a hostel dormitory that had capacity to sleep 18 of us. I mean serious debate about immigration to one side to say it's impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom is a strange argument to make I mean on one hand you have army barracks which house 30+. On the other I will admit I think the idea being mentioned was 15 in an area designed for much less, maybe 2 or 3 But I think the person posting originally about 15 in one small bedroom probably wasn't far off. They'd just have bunk beds crammed in or mattresses chucked on the floor as they don't give a shit about the occupants Or not even mattresses for that matter. Just the floor and a sleeping bag. Never witnessed it myself and does sound extreme but I imagine the conditions of a lot of illegal immigrants are extreme and grim and if the person posting said they saw it who I am to say it's a lie? " Maybe it was just an ‘exaggeration’ to make a point | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? I know. Shocking isn’t it? Very, especially as it is impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom, do you have an anecdote for this situation? I stayed in a hostel dormitory that had capacity to sleep 18 of us. I mean serious debate about immigration to one side to say it's impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom is a strange argument to make I mean on one hand you have army barracks which house 30+. On the other I will admit I think the idea being mentioned was 15 in an area designed for much less, maybe 2 or 3" It’s a horrific thought isn’t it? Can you imagine doing a long shift at Amazon where your every move is monitored, then getting the bus ‘home’ to a bed still warm. Passing billboards promoting the latest Porsche, designer clothes, holidays abroad, the latest technology. Nothing to do until your next shift. Fucking hell! What a life. When I was a grand fromage, I took two guys from the warehouse, one Polish and hard as nails, the other guy was black and to my shame I can’t remember from which country, to Stamford Bridge to watch the mighty Chelsea, back in the days of Drogba. They were mesmerised by the occasion. As the players came out the two guys were it tears, these were both hard men. They loved me for it. I wonder where they are now. The Polish guy hot bedded in Luton and was an innocent part of a theft ring from my company. He told me of the horrors he faced picking fruit in Italy controlled by gang masters. I fucking hate anyone that treats people like animals. | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? I know. Shocking isn’t it? Very, especially as it is impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom, do you have an anecdote for this situation? I stayed in a hostel dormitory that had capacity to sleep 18 of us. I mean serious debate about immigration to one side to say it's impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom is a strange argument to make I mean on one hand you have army barracks which house 30+. On the other I will admit I think the idea being mentioned was 15 in an area designed for much less, maybe 2 or 3 But I think the person posting originally about 15 in one small bedroom probably wasn't far off. They'd just have bunk beds crammed in or mattresses chucked on the floor as they don't give a shit about the occupants Or not even mattresses for that matter. Just the floor and a sleeping bag. Never witnessed it myself and does sound extreme but I imagine the conditions of a lot of illegal immigrants are extreme and grim and if the person posting said they saw it who I am to say it's a lie? Maybe it was just an ‘exaggeration’ to make a point "I mean they were right to the extent there are slum landlords that will pack in the desperate with mattresses everywhere and barely anywhere to move. But I disagree this is an "Immigration" issue. It affects more than just immigrants, and isn't caused by the immigration, merely made worse. | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? I know. Shocking isn’t it? Very, especially as it is impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom, do you have an anecdote for this situation? I stayed in a hostel dormitory that had capacity to sleep 18 of us. I mean serious debate about immigration to one side to say it's impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom is a strange argument to make I mean on one hand you have army barracks which house 30+. On the other I will admit I think the idea being mentioned was 15 in an area designed for much less, maybe 2 or 3 But I think the person posting originally about 15 in one small bedroom probably wasn't far off. They'd just have bunk beds crammed in or mattresses chucked on the floor as they don't give a shit about the occupants Or not even mattresses for that matter. Just the floor and a sleeping bag. Never witnessed it myself and does sound extreme but I imagine the conditions of a lot of illegal immigrants are extreme and grim and if the person posting said they saw it who I am to say it's a lie? I was under the impression that the expats arriving by boat were housed in 5 star luxury?" These types of arrangements are usually overstays, lured here by promises of work and kept in squalled conditions and in fear of the gangs and authorities. No win situation for them | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? I know. Shocking isn’t it? Very, especially as it is impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom, do you have an anecdote for this situation? I stayed in a hostel dormitory that had capacity to sleep 18 of us. I mean serious debate about immigration to one side to say it's impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom is a strange argument to make I mean on one hand you have army barracks which house 30+. On the other I will admit I think the idea being mentioned was 15 in an area designed for much less, maybe 2 or 3 But I think the person posting originally about 15 in one small bedroom probably wasn't far off. They'd just have bunk beds crammed in or mattresses chucked on the floor as they don't give a shit about the occupants Or not even mattresses for that matter. Just the floor and a sleeping bag. Never witnessed it myself and does sound extreme but I imagine the conditions of a lot of illegal immigrants are extreme and grim and if the person posting said they saw it who I am to say it's a lie? Maybe it was just an ‘exaggeration’ to make a point "As horrific as it sounds to us members of the elite. It happens. | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? I know. Shocking isn’t it? Very, especially as it is impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom, do you have an anecdote for this situation? I stayed in a hostel dormitory that had capacity to sleep 18 of us. I mean serious debate about immigration to one side to say it's impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom is a strange argument to make I mean on one hand you have army barracks which house 30+. On the other I will admit I think the idea being mentioned was 15 in an area designed for much less, maybe 2 or 3 It’s a horrific thought isn’t it? Can you imagine doing a long shift at Amazon where your every move is monitored, then getting the bus ‘home’ to a bed still warm. Passing billboards promoting the latest Porsche, designer clothes, holidays abroad, the latest technology. Nothing to do until your next shift. Fucking hell! What a life. When I was a grand fromage, I took two guys from the warehouse, one Polish and hard as nails, the other guy was black and to my shame I can’t remember from which country, to Stamford Bridge to watch the mighty Chelsea, back in the days of Drogba. They were mesmerised by the occasion. As the players came out the two guys were it tears, these were both hard men. They loved me for it. I wonder where they are now. The Polish guy hot bedded in Luton and was an innocent part of a theft ring from my company. He told me of the horrors he faced picking fruit in Italy controlled by gang masters. I fucking hate anyone that treats people like animals. " That's like something from a dystopian novel, but as you say is a sad reality for a lot of people | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? I know. Shocking isn’t it? Very, especially as it is impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom, do you have an anecdote for this situation? I stayed in a hostel dormitory that had capacity to sleep 18 of us. I mean serious debate about immigration to one side to say it's impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom is a strange argument to make I mean on one hand you have army barracks which house 30+. On the other I will admit I think the idea being mentioned was 15 in an area designed for much less, maybe 2 or 3 It’s a horrific thought isn’t it? Can you imagine doing a long shift at Amazon where your every move is monitored, then getting the bus ‘home’ to a bed still warm. Passing billboards promoting the latest Porsche, designer clothes, holidays abroad, the latest technology. Nothing to do until your next shift. Fucking hell! What a life. When I was a grand fromage, I took two guys from the warehouse, one Polish and hard as nails, the other guy was black and to my shame I can’t remember from which country, to Stamford Bridge to watch the mighty Chelsea, back in the days of Drogba. They were mesmerised by the occasion. As the players came out the two guys were it tears, these were both hard men. They loved me for it. I wonder where they are now. The Polish guy hot bedded in Luton and was an innocent part of a theft ring from my company. He told me of the horrors he faced picking fruit in Italy controlled by gang masters. I fucking hate anyone that treats people like animals. That's like something from a dystopian novel, but as you say is a sad reality for a lot of people" It’s a harsh reality that bleeding hearts white liberals cannot comprehend. | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? I know. Shocking isn’t it? Very, especially as it is impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom, do you have an anecdote for this situation? I stayed in a hostel dormitory that had capacity to sleep 18 of us. I mean serious debate about immigration to one side to say it's impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom is a strange argument to make I mean on one hand you have army barracks which house 30+. On the other I will admit I think the idea being mentioned was 15 in an area designed for much less, maybe 2 or 3 It’s a horrific thought isn’t it? Can you imagine doing a long shift at Amazon where your every move is monitored, then getting the bus ‘home’ to a bed still warm. Passing billboards promoting the latest Porsche, designer clothes, holidays abroad, the latest technology. Nothing to do until your next shift. Fucking hell! What a life. When I was a grand fromage, I took two guys from the warehouse, one Polish and hard as nails, the other guy was black and to my shame I can’t remember from which country, to Stamford Bridge to watch the mighty Chelsea, back in the days of Drogba. They were mesmerised by the occasion. As the players came out the two guys were it tears, these were both hard men. They loved me for it. I wonder where they are now. The Polish guy hot bedded in Luton and was an innocent part of a theft ring from my company. He told me of the horrors he faced picking fruit in Italy controlled by gang masters. I fucking hate anyone that treats people like animals. " A big cheese?  | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? I know. Shocking isn’t it? Very, especially as it is impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom, do you have an anecdote for this situation? I stayed in a hostel dormitory that had capacity to sleep 18 of us. I mean serious debate about immigration to one side to say it's impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom is a strange argument to make I mean on one hand you have army barracks which house 30+. On the other I will admit I think the idea being mentioned was 15 in an area designed for much less, maybe 2 or 3 It’s a horrific thought isn’t it? Can you imagine doing a long shift at Amazon where your every move is monitored, then getting the bus ‘home’ to a bed still warm. Passing billboards promoting the latest Porsche, designer clothes, holidays abroad, the latest technology. Nothing to do until your next shift. Fucking hell! What a life. When I was a grand fromage, I took two guys from the warehouse, one Polish and hard as nails, the other guy was black and to my shame I can’t remember from which country, to Stamford Bridge to watch the mighty Chelsea, back in the days of Drogba. They were mesmerised by the occasion. As the players came out the two guys were it tears, these were both hard men. They loved me for it. I wonder where they are now. The Polish guy hot bedded in Luton and was an innocent part of a theft ring from my company. He told me of the horrors he faced picking fruit in Italy controlled by gang masters. I fucking hate anyone that treats people like animals. That's like something from a dystopian novel, but as you say is a sad reality for a lot of people It’s a harsh reality that bleeding hearts white liberals cannot comprehend. " Who do you think are exploiting these people? Landlords? employers ? | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? I know. Shocking isn’t it? Very, especially as it is impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom, do you have an anecdote for this situation? I stayed in a hostel dormitory that had capacity to sleep 18 of us. I mean serious debate about immigration to one side to say it's impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom is a strange argument to make I mean on one hand you have army barracks which house 30+. On the other I will admit I think the idea being mentioned was 15 in an area designed for much less, maybe 2 or 3 It’s a horrific thought isn’t it? Can you imagine doing a long shift at Amazon where your every move is monitored, then getting the bus ‘home’ to a bed still warm. Passing billboards promoting the latest Porsche, designer clothes, holidays abroad, the latest technology. Nothing to do until your next shift. Fucking hell! What a life. When I was a grand fromage, I took two guys from the warehouse, one Polish and hard as nails, the other guy was black and to my shame I can’t remember from which country, to Stamford Bridge to watch the mighty Chelsea, back in the days of Drogba. They were mesmerised by the occasion. As the players came out the two guys were it tears, these were both hard men. They loved me for it. I wonder where they are now. The Polish guy hot bedded in Luton and was an innocent part of a theft ring from my company. He told me of the horrors he faced picking fruit in Italy controlled by gang masters. I fucking hate anyone that treats people like animals. That's like something from a dystopian novel, but as you say is a sad reality for a lot of people It’s a harsh reality that bleeding hearts white liberals cannot comprehend. Who do you think are exploiting these people? Landlords? employers ? " Certainly landlords often from their same community. Employers - the issues in Leicester rumble on. Evil gang masters - mainly East European that operate in East Anglia , Lincolnshire. I repeat - I fucking hate anyone that treats other humans like animals and take advantage. | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? I know. Shocking isn’t it? Very, especially as it is impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom, do you have an anecdote for this situation? I stayed in a hostel dormitory that had capacity to sleep 18 of us. I mean serious debate about immigration to one side to say it's impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom is a strange argument to make I mean on one hand you have army barracks which house 30+. On the other I will admit I think the idea being mentioned was 15 in an area designed for much less, maybe 2 or 3 It’s a horrific thought isn’t it? Can you imagine doing a long shift at Amazon where your every move is monitored, then getting the bus ‘home’ to a bed still warm. Passing billboards promoting the latest Porsche, designer clothes, holidays abroad, the latest technology. Nothing to do until your next shift. Fucking hell! What a life. When I was a grand fromage, I took two guys from the warehouse, one Polish and hard as nails, the other guy was black and to my shame I can’t remember from which country, to Stamford Bridge to watch the mighty Chelsea, back in the days of Drogba. They were mesmerised by the occasion. As the players came out the two guys were it tears, these were both hard men. They loved me for it. I wonder where they are now. The Polish guy hot bedded in Luton and was an innocent part of a theft ring from my company. He told me of the horrors he faced picking fruit in Italy controlled by gang masters. I fucking hate anyone that treats people like animals. A big cheese? "Back in the day. Now I’m just a sad rabid fascist on a swingers website when I should be working. | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? I know. Shocking isn’t it? Very, especially as it is impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom, do you have an anecdote for this situation? I stayed in a hostel dormitory that had capacity to sleep 18 of us. I mean serious debate about immigration to one side to say it's impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom is a strange argument to make I mean on one hand you have army barracks which house 30+. On the other I will admit I think the idea being mentioned was 15 in an area designed for much less, maybe 2 or 3 It’s a horrific thought isn’t it? Can you imagine doing a long shift at Amazon where your every move is monitored, then getting the bus ‘home’ to a bed still warm. Passing billboards promoting the latest Porsche, designer clothes, holidays abroad, the latest technology. Nothing to do until your next shift. Fucking hell! What a life. When I was a grand fromage, I took two guys from the warehouse, one Polish and hard as nails, the other guy was black and to my shame I can’t remember from which country, to Stamford Bridge to watch the mighty Chelsea, back in the days of Drogba. They were mesmerised by the occasion. As the players came out the two guys were it tears, these were both hard men. They loved me for it. I wonder where they are now. The Polish guy hot bedded in Luton and was an innocent part of a theft ring from my company. He told me of the horrors he faced picking fruit in Italy controlled by gang masters. I fucking hate anyone that treats people like animals. A big cheese?
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? I know. Shocking isn’t it? Very, especially as it is impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom, do you have an anecdote for this situation? I stayed in a hostel dormitory that had capacity to sleep 18 of us. I mean serious debate about immigration to one side to say it's impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom is a strange argument to make I mean on one hand you have army barracks which house 30+. On the other I will admit I think the idea being mentioned was 15 in an area designed for much less, maybe 2 or 3 It’s a horrific thought isn’t it? Can you imagine doing a long shift at Amazon where your every move is monitored, then getting the bus ‘home’ to a bed still warm. Passing billboards promoting the latest Porsche, designer clothes, holidays abroad, the latest technology. Nothing to do until your next shift. Fucking hell! What a life. When I was a grand fromage, I took two guys from the warehouse, one Polish and hard as nails, the other guy was black and to my shame I can’t remember from which country, to Stamford Bridge to watch the mighty Chelsea, back in the days of Drogba. They were mesmerised by the occasion. As the players came out the two guys were it tears, these were both hard men. They loved me for it. I wonder where they are now. The Polish guy hot bedded in Luton and was an innocent part of a theft ring from my company. He told me of the horrors he faced picking fruit in Italy controlled by gang masters. I fucking hate anyone that treats people like animals. That's like something from a dystopian novel, but as you say is a sad reality for a lot of people It’s a harsh reality that bleeding hearts white liberals cannot comprehend. " But isn't it generally more the right-wing that pushes the narrative that illegal immigrants are housed in luxury whilst British citizens are homeless or claim they get 50k in benefits upon arrival? | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? I know. Shocking isn’t it? Very, especially as it is impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom, do you have an anecdote for this situation? I stayed in a hostel dormitory that had capacity to sleep 18 of us. I mean serious debate about immigration to one side to say it's impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom is a strange argument to make I mean on one hand you have army barracks which house 30+. On the other I will admit I think the idea being mentioned was 15 in an area designed for much less, maybe 2 or 3 It’s a horrific thought isn’t it? Can you imagine doing a long shift at Amazon where your every move is monitored, then getting the bus ‘home’ to a bed still warm. Passing billboards promoting the latest Porsche, designer clothes, holidays abroad, the latest technology. Nothing to do until your next shift. Fucking hell! What a life. When I was a grand fromage, I took two guys from the warehouse, one Polish and hard as nails, the other guy was black and to my shame I can’t remember from which country, to Stamford Bridge to watch the mighty Chelsea, back in the days of Drogba. They were mesmerised by the occasion. As the players came out the two guys were it tears, these were both hard men. They loved me for it. I wonder where they are now. The Polish guy hot bedded in Luton and was an innocent part of a theft ring from my company. He told me of the horrors he faced picking fruit in Italy controlled by gang masters. I fucking hate anyone that treats people like animals. That's like something from a dystopian novel, but as you say is a sad reality for a lot of people It’s a harsh reality that bleeding hearts white liberals cannot comprehend. Who do you think are exploiting these people? Landlords? employers ? Certainly landlords often from their same community. Employers - the issues in Leicester rumble on. Evil gang masters - mainly East European that operate in East Anglia , Lincolnshire. I repeat - I fucking hate anyone that treats other humans like animals and take advantage. " I want to clarify something that I keep hearing, why aren’t these expats living in a luxury hotel with free phones and amazing hand outs? | |||
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"However, I'm interested to know how those who have the hardest hearts view this situation. I'll volunteer as owner of one of the hardest of hearts. If I'd spotted him at immigration when he was 8 or 9, I would have had him sent home. If I'd found out when he applied to school at age 11 and with no previous schooling, I'd have had him sent home. If I'd discovered him when his citizenship application came through. I would note that the application was fraudulent, but that wasn't his fault since he was a minor. I would note that he had 6 years of British education, no criminal record, was possessed of a useful talent, and that he met all the citizenship requirements. I would have granted him citizenship." So as long as someone attends school in the UK and are "useful" based on an arbitrary assessment then they can stay? Then why not let all "illegal" immigrants remain for 6 years of education and see if they are "useful"? They are, after all, only units of labour and needn't be thought of as human beings. The majority of "illegal" immigrants are granted asylum and ultimately leave to stay yet there is a huge amount of money being spent to prevent them from being able to. Mo Farah is an illegal immigration who no longer is of "use". Deport him to Rwanda. It sends a very strong statement which appears to be the only purpose of the exercise. We should deport one of our national heroes to prove that "illegal" immigrants bring no value to our country and are unwanted. | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? I know. Shocking isn’t it? Very, especially as it is impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom, do you have an anecdote for this situation? I stayed in a hostel dormitory that had capacity to sleep 18 of us. I mean serious debate about immigration to one side to say it's impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom is a strange argument to make I mean on one hand you have army barracks which house 30+. On the other I will admit I think the idea being mentioned was 15 in an area designed for much less, maybe 2 or 3 It’s a horrific thought isn’t it? Can you imagine doing a long shift at Amazon where your every move is monitored, then getting the bus ‘home’ to a bed still warm. Passing billboards promoting the latest Porsche, designer clothes, holidays abroad, the latest technology. Nothing to do until your next shift. Fucking hell! What a life. When I was a grand fromage, I took two guys from the warehouse, one Polish and hard as nails, the other guy was black and to my shame I can’t remember from which country, to Stamford Bridge to watch the mighty Chelsea, back in the days of Drogba. They were mesmerised by the occasion. As the players came out the two guys were it tears, these were both hard men. They loved me for it. I wonder where they are now. The Polish guy hot bedded in Luton and was an innocent part of a theft ring from my company. He told me of the horrors he faced picking fruit in Italy controlled by gang masters. I fucking hate anyone that treats people like animals. That's like something from a dystopian novel, but as you say is a sad reality for a lot of people It’s a harsh reality that bleeding hearts white liberals cannot comprehend. But isn't it generally more the right-wing that pushes the narrative that illegal immigrants are housed in luxury whilst British citizens are homeless or claim they get 50k in benefits upon arrival? " I’ve never seen that. Not reading the right papers perhaps? | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? I know. Shocking isn’t it? Very, especially as it is impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom, do you have an anecdote for this situation? I stayed in a hostel dormitory that had capacity to sleep 18 of us. I mean serious debate about immigration to one side to say it's impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom is a strange argument to make I mean on one hand you have army barracks which house 30+. On the other I will admit I think the idea being mentioned was 15 in an area designed for much less, maybe 2 or 3 It’s a horrific thought isn’t it? Can you imagine doing a long shift at Amazon where your every move is monitored, then getting the bus ‘home’ to a bed still warm. Passing billboards promoting the latest Porsche, designer clothes, holidays abroad, the latest technology. Nothing to do until your next shift. Fucking hell! What a life. When I was a grand fromage, I took two guys from the warehouse, one Polish and hard as nails, the other guy was black and to my shame I can’t remember from which country, to Stamford Bridge to watch the mighty Chelsea, back in the days of Drogba. They were mesmerised by the occasion. As the players came out the two guys were it tears, these were both hard men. They loved me for it. I wonder where they are now. The Polish guy hot bedded in Luton and was an innocent part of a theft ring from my company. He told me of the horrors he faced picking fruit in Italy controlled by gang masters. I fucking hate anyone that treats people like animals. That's like something from a dystopian novel, but as you say is a sad reality for a lot of people It’s a harsh reality that bleeding hearts white liberals cannot comprehend. Who do you think are exploiting these people? Landlords? employers ? Certainly landlords often from their same community. Employers - the issues in Leicester rumble on. Evil gang masters - mainly East European that operate in East Anglia , Lincolnshire. I repeat - I fucking hate anyone that treats other humans like animals and take advantage. I want to clarify something that I keep hearing, why aren’t these expats living in a luxury hotel with free phones and amazing hand outs? " Which expats? I’m confused | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? I know. Shocking isn’t it? Very, especially as it is impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom, do you have an anecdote for this situation? I stayed in a hostel dormitory that had capacity to sleep 18 of us. I mean serious debate about immigration to one side to say it's impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom is a strange argument to make I mean on one hand you have army barracks which house 30+. On the other I will admit I think the idea being mentioned was 15 in an area designed for much less, maybe 2 or 3 It’s a horrific thought isn’t it? Can you imagine doing a long shift at Amazon where your every move is monitored, then getting the bus ‘home’ to a bed still warm. Passing billboards promoting the latest Porsche, designer clothes, holidays abroad, the latest technology. Nothing to do until your next shift. Fucking hell! What a life. When I was a grand fromage, I took two guys from the warehouse, one Polish and hard as nails, the other guy was black and to my shame I can’t remember from which country, to Stamford Bridge to watch the mighty Chelsea, back in the days of Drogba. They were mesmerised by the occasion. As the players came out the two guys were it tears, these were both hard men. They loved me for it. I wonder where they are now. The Polish guy hot bedded in Luton and was an innocent part of a theft ring from my company. He told me of the horrors he faced picking fruit in Italy controlled by gang masters. I fucking hate anyone that treats people like animals. That's like something from a dystopian novel, but as you say is a sad reality for a lot of people It’s a harsh reality that bleeding hearts white liberals cannot comprehend. Who do you think are exploiting these people? Landlords? employers ? Certainly landlords often from their same community. Employers - the issues in Leicester rumble on. Evil gang masters - mainly East European that operate in East Anglia , Lincolnshire. I repeat - I fucking hate anyone that treats other humans like animals and take advantage. I want to clarify something that I keep hearing, why aren’t these expats living in a luxury hotel with free phones and amazing hand outs? Which expats? I’m confused " The ones that are sleeping 15 to a room. | |||
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"However, I'm interested to know how those who have the hardest hearts view this situation. I'll volunteer as owner of one of the hardest of hearts. If I'd spotted him at immigration when he was 8 or 9, I would have had him sent home. If I'd found out when he applied to school at age 11 and with no previous schooling, I'd have had him sent home. If I'd discovered him when his citizenship application came through. I would note that the application was fraudulent, but that wasn't his fault since he was a minor. I would note that he had 6 years of British education, no criminal record, was possessed of a useful talent, and that he met all the citizenship requirements. I would have granted him citizenship. So as long as someone attends school in the UK and are "useful" based on an arbitrary assessment then they can stay? Then why not let all "illegal" immigrants remain for 6 years of education and see if they are "useful"? They are, after all, only units of labour and needn't be thought of as human beings. The majority of "illegal" immigrants are granted asylum and ultimately leave to stay yet there is a huge amount of money being spent to prevent them from being able to. Mo Farah is an illegal immigration who no longer is of "use". Deport him to Rwanda. It sends a very strong statement which appears to be the only purpose of the exercise. We should deport one of our national heroes to prove that "illegal" immigrants bring no value to our country and are unwanted." Crikey. I had you down as one of the good guys. Don’t tell me now you want anyone to go to Rwanda, least of all the lovely Mo. | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? I know. Shocking isn’t it? Very, especially as it is impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom, do you have an anecdote for this situation? I stayed in a hostel dormitory that had capacity to sleep 18 of us. I mean serious debate about immigration to one side to say it's impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom is a strange argument to make I mean on one hand you have army barracks which house 30+. On the other I will admit I think the idea being mentioned was 15 in an area designed for much less, maybe 2 or 3 It’s a horrific thought isn’t it? Can you imagine doing a long shift at Amazon where your every move is monitored, then getting the bus ‘home’ to a bed still warm. Passing billboards promoting the latest Porsche, designer clothes, holidays abroad, the latest technology. Nothing to do until your next shift. Fucking hell! What a life. When I was a grand fromage, I took two guys from the warehouse, one Polish and hard as nails, the other guy was black and to my shame I can’t remember from which country, to Stamford Bridge to watch the mighty Chelsea, back in the days of Drogba. They were mesmerised by the occasion. As the players came out the two guys were it tears, these were both hard men. They loved me for it. I wonder where they are now. The Polish guy hot bedded in Luton and was an innocent part of a theft ring from my company. He told me of the horrors he faced picking fruit in Italy controlled by gang masters. I fucking hate anyone that treats people like animals. That's like something from a dystopian novel, but as you say is a sad reality for a lot of people It’s a harsh reality that bleeding hearts white liberals cannot comprehend. But isn't it generally more the right-wing that pushes the narrative that illegal immigrants are housed in luxury whilst British citizens are homeless or claim they get 50k in benefits upon arrival? I’ve never seen that. Not reading the right papers perhaps? " You've never seen the Daily Express or Daily Mail headlines about a family of illegal immigrants being given massive houses or massive amounts of benefits? Or just their headlines about how much the tax payer spends on illegal immigrants benefits. There's loads of them | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? I know. Shocking isn’t it? Very, especially as it is impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom, do you have an anecdote for this situation? I stayed in a hostel dormitory that had capacity to sleep 18 of us. I mean serious debate about immigration to one side to say it's impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom is a strange argument to make I mean on one hand you have army barracks which house 30+. On the other I will admit I think the idea being mentioned was 15 in an area designed for much less, maybe 2 or 3 It’s a horrific thought isn’t it? Can you imagine doing a long shift at Amazon where your every move is monitored, then getting the bus ‘home’ to a bed still warm. Passing billboards promoting the latest Porsche, designer clothes, holidays abroad, the latest technology. Nothing to do until your next shift. Fucking hell! What a life. When I was a grand fromage, I took two guys from the warehouse, one Polish and hard as nails, the other guy was black and to my shame I can’t remember from which country, to Stamford Bridge to watch the mighty Chelsea, back in the days of Drogba. They were mesmerised by the occasion. As the players came out the two guys were it tears, these were both hard men. They loved me for it. I wonder where they are now. The Polish guy hot bedded in Luton and was an innocent part of a theft ring from my company. He told me of the horrors he faced picking fruit in Italy controlled by gang masters. I fucking hate anyone that treats people like animals. That's like something from a dystopian novel, but as you say is a sad reality for a lot of people It’s a harsh reality that bleeding hearts white liberals cannot comprehend. Who do you think are exploiting these people? Landlords? employers ? Certainly landlords often from their same community. Employers - the issues in Leicester rumble on. Evil gang masters - mainly East European that operate in East Anglia , Lincolnshire. I repeat - I fucking hate anyone that treats other humans like animals and take advantage. I want to clarify something that I keep hearing, why aren’t these expats living in a luxury hotel with free phones and amazing hand outs? Which expats? I’m confused The ones that are sleeping 15 to a room. " They need someone to visit them. Fill out the necessary forms. See what they identify as . Then shower them with gifts. For the record, I’ve never made any reference free phones or benefits. Do I qualify? | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? I know. Shocking isn’t it? Very, especially as it is impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom, do you have an anecdote for this situation? I stayed in a hostel dormitory that had capacity to sleep 18 of us. I mean serious debate about immigration to one side to say it's impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom is a strange argument to make I mean on one hand you have army barracks which house 30+. On the other I will admit I think the idea being mentioned was 15 in an area designed for much less, maybe 2 or 3 It’s a horrific thought isn’t it? Can you imagine doing a long shift at Amazon where your every move is monitored, then getting the bus ‘home’ to a bed still warm. Passing billboards promoting the latest Porsche, designer clothes, holidays abroad, the latest technology. Nothing to do until your next shift. Fucking hell! What a life. When I was a grand fromage, I took two guys from the warehouse, one Polish and hard as nails, the other guy was black and to my shame I can’t remember from which country, to Stamford Bridge to watch the mighty Chelsea, back in the days of Drogba. They were mesmerised by the occasion. As the players came out the two guys were it tears, these were both hard men. They loved me for it. I wonder where they are now. The Polish guy hot bedded in Luton and was an innocent part of a theft ring from my company. He told me of the horrors he faced picking fruit in Italy controlled by gang masters. I fucking hate anyone that treats people like animals. That's like something from a dystopian novel, but as you say is a sad reality for a lot of people It’s a harsh reality that bleeding hearts white liberals cannot comprehend. But isn't it generally more the right-wing that pushes the narrative that illegal immigrants are housed in luxury whilst British citizens are homeless or claim they get 50k in benefits upon arrival? I’ve never seen that. Not reading the right papers perhaps? You've never seen the Daily Express or Daily Mail headlines about a family of illegal immigrants being given massive houses or massive amounts of benefits? Or just their headlines about how much the tax payer spends on illegal immigrants benefits. There's loads of them " Not newspapers that I take. I may have been exposed to headlines as I pass the newspaper rack in my local M&S food store but it doesn’t impact on my views or thoughts. | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? I know. Shocking isn’t it? Very, especially as it is impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom, do you have an anecdote for this situation? I stayed in a hostel dormitory that had capacity to sleep 18 of us. I mean serious debate about immigration to one side to say it's impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom is a strange argument to make I mean on one hand you have army barracks which house 30+. On the other I will admit I think the idea being mentioned was 15 in an area designed for much less, maybe 2 or 3 It’s a horrific thought isn’t it? Can you imagine doing a long shift at Amazon where your every move is monitored, then getting the bus ‘home’ to a bed still warm. Passing billboards promoting the latest Porsche, designer clothes, holidays abroad, the latest technology. Nothing to do until your next shift. Fucking hell! What a life. When I was a grand fromage, I took two guys from the warehouse, one Polish and hard as nails, the other guy was black and to my shame I can’t remember from which country, to Stamford Bridge to watch the mighty Chelsea, back in the days of Drogba. They were mesmerised by the occasion. As the players came out the two guys were it tears, these were both hard men. They loved me for it. I wonder where they are now. The Polish guy hot bedded in Luton and was an innocent part of a theft ring from my company. He told me of the horrors he faced picking fruit in Italy controlled by gang masters. I fucking hate anyone that treats people like animals. That's like something from a dystopian novel, but as you say is a sad reality for a lot of people It’s a harsh reality that bleeding hearts white liberals cannot comprehend. But isn't it generally more the right-wing that pushes the narrative that illegal immigrants are housed in luxury whilst British citizens are homeless or claim they get 50k in benefits upon arrival? I’ve never seen that. Not reading the right papers perhaps? You've never seen the Daily Express or Daily Mail headlines about a family of illegal immigrants being given massive houses or massive amounts of benefits? Or just their headlines about how much the tax payer spends on illegal immigrants benefits. There's loads of them Not newspapers that I take. I may have been exposed to headlines as I pass the newspaper rack in my local M&S food store but it doesn’t impact on my views or thoughts." But you said bleeding heart white liberals can't comprehend that harsh reality. Surely accepting that reality would only be of benefit to the general liberal argument , accepting more migrants so less have to come here illegally, and giving them more support and respect when they come here. It's surely more a Conservative position not to accept these harsh realities as they can then say they don't know what people are complaining about and the illegal immigrants are just financial chancers? | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? I know. Shocking isn’t it? Very, especially as it is impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom, do you have an anecdote for this situation? I stayed in a hostel dormitory that had capacity to sleep 18 of us. I mean serious debate about immigration to one side to say it's impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom is a strange argument to make I mean on one hand you have army barracks which house 30+. On the other I will admit I think the idea being mentioned was 15 in an area designed for much less, maybe 2 or 3 It’s a horrific thought isn’t it? Can you imagine doing a long shift at Amazon where your every move is monitored, then getting the bus ‘home’ to a bed still warm. Passing billboards promoting the latest Porsche, designer clothes, holidays abroad, the latest technology. Nothing to do until your next shift. Fucking hell! What a life. When I was a grand fromage, I took two guys from the warehouse, one Polish and hard as nails, the other guy was black and to my shame I can’t remember from which country, to Stamford Bridge to watch the mighty Chelsea, back in the days of Drogba. They were mesmerised by the occasion. As the players came out the two guys were it tears, these were both hard men. They loved me for it. I wonder where they are now. The Polish guy hot bedded in Luton and was an innocent part of a theft ring from my company. He told me of the horrors he faced picking fruit in Italy controlled by gang masters. I fucking hate anyone that treats people like animals. That's like something from a dystopian novel, but as you say is a sad reality for a lot of people It’s a harsh reality that bleeding hearts white liberals cannot comprehend. Who do you think are exploiting these people? Landlords? employers ? Certainly landlords often from their same community. Employers - the issues in Leicester rumble on. Evil gang masters - mainly East European that operate in East Anglia , Lincolnshire. I repeat - I fucking hate anyone that treats other humans like animals and take advantage. I want to clarify something that I keep hearing, why aren’t these expats living in a luxury hotel with free phones and amazing hand outs? Which expats? I’m confused The ones that are sleeping 15 to a room. They need someone to visit them. Fill out the necessary forms. See what they identify as . Then shower them with gifts. For the record, I’ve never made any reference free phones or benefits. Do I qualify? " I see, so they don’t get free phones, luxury hotel rooms and amazing hand outs but have to work hard to survive and pay taxes | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? I know. Shocking isn’t it? Very, especially as it is impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom, do you have an anecdote for this situation? I stayed in a hostel dormitory that had capacity to sleep 18 of us. I mean serious debate about immigration to one side to say it's impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom is a strange argument to make I mean on one hand you have army barracks which house 30+. On the other I will admit I think the idea being mentioned was 15 in an area designed for much less, maybe 2 or 3 It’s a horrific thought isn’t it? Can you imagine doing a long shift at Amazon where your every move is monitored, then getting the bus ‘home’ to a bed still warm. Passing billboards promoting the latest Porsche, designer clothes, holidays abroad, the latest technology. Nothing to do until your next shift. Fucking hell! What a life. When I was a grand fromage, I took two guys from the warehouse, one Polish and hard as nails, the other guy was black and to my shame I can’t remember from which country, to Stamford Bridge to watch the mighty Chelsea, back in the days of Drogba. They were mesmerised by the occasion. As the players came out the two guys were it tears, these were both hard men. They loved me for it. I wonder where they are now. The Polish guy hot bedded in Luton and was an innocent part of a theft ring from my company. He told me of the horrors he faced picking fruit in Italy controlled by gang masters. I fucking hate anyone that treats people like animals. That's like something from a dystopian novel, but as you say is a sad reality for a lot of people It’s a harsh reality that bleeding hearts white liberals cannot comprehend. But isn't it generally more the right-wing that pushes the narrative that illegal immigrants are housed in luxury whilst British citizens are homeless or claim they get 50k in benefits upon arrival? I’ve never seen that. Not reading the right papers perhaps? You've never seen the Daily Express or Daily Mail headlines about a family of illegal immigrants being given massive houses or massive amounts of benefits? Or just their headlines about how much the tax payer spends on illegal immigrants benefits. There's loads of them Not newspapers that I take. I may have been exposed to headlines as I pass the newspaper rack in my local M&S food store but it doesn’t impact on my views or thoughts. But you said bleeding heart white liberals can't comprehend that harsh reality. Surely accepting that reality would only be of benefit to the general liberal argument , accepting more migrants so less have to come here illegally, and giving them more support and respect when they come here. It's surely more a Conservative position not to accept these harsh realities as they can then say they don't know what people are complaining about and the illegal immigrants are just financial chancers?" Can I put you down to house one or a couple of young men of who you know nothing? | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? I know. Shocking isn’t it? Very, especially as it is impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom, do you have an anecdote for this situation? I stayed in a hostel dormitory that had capacity to sleep 18 of us. I mean serious debate about immigration to one side to say it's impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom is a strange argument to make I mean on one hand you have army barracks which house 30+. On the other I will admit I think the idea being mentioned was 15 in an area designed for much less, maybe 2 or 3 It’s a horrific thought isn’t it? Can you imagine doing a long shift at Amazon where your every move is monitored, then getting the bus ‘home’ to a bed still warm. Passing billboards promoting the latest Porsche, designer clothes, holidays abroad, the latest technology. Nothing to do until your next shift. Fucking hell! What a life. When I was a grand fromage, I took two guys from the warehouse, one Polish and hard as nails, the other guy was black and to my shame I can’t remember from which country, to Stamford Bridge to watch the mighty Chelsea, back in the days of Drogba. They were mesmerised by the occasion. As the players came out the two guys were it tears, these were both hard men. They loved me for it. I wonder where they are now. The Polish guy hot bedded in Luton and was an innocent part of a theft ring from my company. He told me of the horrors he faced picking fruit in Italy controlled by gang masters. I fucking hate anyone that treats people like animals. That's like something from a dystopian novel, but as you say is a sad reality for a lot of people It’s a harsh reality that bleeding hearts white liberals cannot comprehend. Who do you think are exploiting these people? Landlords? employers ? Certainly landlords often from their same community. Employers - the issues in Leicester rumble on. Evil gang masters - mainly East European that operate in East Anglia , Lincolnshire. I repeat - I fucking hate anyone that treats other humans like animals and take advantage. I want to clarify something that I keep hearing, why aren’t these expats living in a luxury hotel with free phones and amazing hand outs? Which expats? I’m confused The ones that are sleeping 15 to a room. They need someone to visit them. Fill out the necessary forms. See what they identify as . Then shower them with gifts. For the record, I’ve never made any reference free phones or benefits. Do I qualify? I see, so they don’t get free phones, luxury hotel rooms and amazing hand outs but have to work hard to survive and pay taxes "I’ve never claimed they do. | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? I know. Shocking isn’t it? Very, especially as it is impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom, do you have an anecdote for this situation? I stayed in a hostel dormitory that had capacity to sleep 18 of us. I mean serious debate about immigration to one side to say it's impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom is a strange argument to make I mean on one hand you have army barracks which house 30+. On the other I will admit I think the idea being mentioned was 15 in an area designed for much less, maybe 2 or 3 It’s a horrific thought isn’t it? Can you imagine doing a long shift at Amazon where your every move is monitored, then getting the bus ‘home’ to a bed still warm. Passing billboards promoting the latest Porsche, designer clothes, holidays abroad, the latest technology. Nothing to do until your next shift. Fucking hell! What a life. When I was a grand fromage, I took two guys from the warehouse, one Polish and hard as nails, the other guy was black and to my shame I can’t remember from which country, to Stamford Bridge to watch the mighty Chelsea, back in the days of Drogba. They were mesmerised by the occasion. As the players came out the two guys were it tears, these were both hard men. They loved me for it. I wonder where they are now. The Polish guy hot bedded in Luton and was an innocent part of a theft ring from my company. He told me of the horrors he faced picking fruit in Italy controlled by gang masters. I fucking hate anyone that treats people like animals. That's like something from a dystopian novel, but as you say is a sad reality for a lot of people It’s a harsh reality that bleeding hearts white liberals cannot comprehend. Who do you think are exploiting these people? Landlords? employers ? Certainly landlords often from their same community. Employers - the issues in Leicester rumble on. Evil gang masters - mainly East European that operate in East Anglia , Lincolnshire. I repeat - I fucking hate anyone that treats other humans like animals and take advantage. I want to clarify something that I keep hearing, why aren’t these expats living in a luxury hotel with free phones and amazing hand outs? Which expats? I’m confused The ones that are sleeping 15 to a room. They need someone to visit them. Fill out the necessary forms. See what they identify as . Then shower them with gifts. For the record, I’ve never made any reference free phones or benefits. Do I qualify? I see, so they don’t get free phones, luxury hotel rooms and amazing hand outs but have to work hard to survive and pay taxes
I’ve never claimed they do. "So they are hard working and benefit the economy?we need more of these expats asap | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? I know. Shocking isn’t it? Very, especially as it is impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom, do you have an anecdote for this situation? I stayed in a hostel dormitory that had capacity to sleep 18 of us. I mean serious debate about immigration to one side to say it's impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom is a strange argument to make I mean on one hand you have army barracks which house 30+. On the other I will admit I think the idea being mentioned was 15 in an area designed for much less, maybe 2 or 3 It’s a horrific thought isn’t it? Can you imagine doing a long shift at Amazon where your every move is monitored, then getting the bus ‘home’ to a bed still warm. Passing billboards promoting the latest Porsche, designer clothes, holidays abroad, the latest technology. Nothing to do until your next shift. Fucking hell! What a life. When I was a grand fromage, I took two guys from the warehouse, one Polish and hard as nails, the other guy was black and to my shame I can’t remember from which country, to Stamford Bridge to watch the mighty Chelsea, back in the days of Drogba. They were mesmerised by the occasion. As the players came out the two guys were it tears, these were both hard men. They loved me for it. I wonder where they are now. The Polish guy hot bedded in Luton and was an innocent part of a theft ring from my company. He told me of the horrors he faced picking fruit in Italy controlled by gang masters. I fucking hate anyone that treats people like animals. That's like something from a dystopian novel, but as you say is a sad reality for a lot of people It’s a harsh reality that bleeding hearts white liberals cannot comprehend. But isn't it generally more the right-wing that pushes the narrative that illegal immigrants are housed in luxury whilst British citizens are homeless or claim they get 50k in benefits upon arrival? I’ve never seen that. Not reading the right papers perhaps? You've never seen the Daily Express or Daily Mail headlines about a family of illegal immigrants being given massive houses or massive amounts of benefits? Or just their headlines about how much the tax payer spends on illegal immigrants benefits. There's loads of them Not newspapers that I take. I may have been exposed to headlines as I pass the newspaper rack in my local M&S food store but it doesn’t impact on my views or thoughts. But you said bleeding heart white liberals can't comprehend that harsh reality. Surely accepting that reality would only be of benefit to the general liberal argument , accepting more migrants so less have to come here illegally, and giving them more support and respect when they come here. It's surely more a Conservative position not to accept these harsh realities as they can then say they don't know what people are complaining about and the illegal immigrants are just financial chancers? Can I put you down to house one or a couple of young men of who you know nothing? " They are wage earners, they are paying fir their accommodation | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? I know. Shocking isn’t it? Very, especially as it is impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom, do you have an anecdote for this situation? I stayed in a hostel dormitory that had capacity to sleep 18 of us. I mean serious debate about immigration to one side to say it's impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom is a strange argument to make I mean on one hand you have army barracks which house 30+. On the other I will admit I think the idea being mentioned was 15 in an area designed for much less, maybe 2 or 3 It’s a horrific thought isn’t it? Can you imagine doing a long shift at Amazon where your every move is monitored, then getting the bus ‘home’ to a bed still warm. Passing billboards promoting the latest Porsche, designer clothes, holidays abroad, the latest technology. Nothing to do until your next shift. Fucking hell! What a life. When I was a grand fromage, I took two guys from the warehouse, one Polish and hard as nails, the other guy was black and to my shame I can’t remember from which country, to Stamford Bridge to watch the mighty Chelsea, back in the days of Drogba. They were mesmerised by the occasion. As the players came out the two guys were it tears, these were both hard men. They loved me for it. I wonder where they are now. The Polish guy hot bedded in Luton and was an innocent part of a theft ring from my company. He told me of the horrors he faced picking fruit in Italy controlled by gang masters. I fucking hate anyone that treats people like animals. That's like something from a dystopian novel, but as you say is a sad reality for a lot of people It’s a harsh reality that bleeding hearts white liberals cannot comprehend. But isn't it generally more the right-wing that pushes the narrative that illegal immigrants are housed in luxury whilst British citizens are homeless or claim they get 50k in benefits upon arrival? I’ve never seen that. Not reading the right papers perhaps? You've never seen the Daily Express or Daily Mail headlines about a family of illegal immigrants being given massive houses or massive amounts of benefits? Or just their headlines about how much the tax payer spends on illegal immigrants benefits. There's loads of them Not newspapers that I take. I may have been exposed to headlines as I pass the newspaper rack in my local M&S food store but it doesn’t impact on my views or thoughts. But you said bleeding heart white liberals can't comprehend that harsh reality. Surely accepting that reality would only be of benefit to the general liberal argument , accepting more migrants so less have to come here illegally, and giving them more support and respect when they come here. It's surely more a Conservative position not to accept these harsh realities as they can then say they don't know what people are complaining about and the illegal immigrants are just financial chancers? Can I put you down to house one or a couple of young men of who you know nothing? They are wage earners, they are paying fir their accommodation" Not on minimum wage they’re not. | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? I know. Shocking isn’t it? Very, especially as it is impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom, do you have an anecdote for this situation? I stayed in a hostel dormitory that had capacity to sleep 18 of us. I mean serious debate about immigration to one side to say it's impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom is a strange argument to make I mean on one hand you have army barracks which house 30+. On the other I will admit I think the idea being mentioned was 15 in an area designed for much less, maybe 2 or 3 It’s a horrific thought isn’t it? Can you imagine doing a long shift at Amazon where your every move is monitored, then getting the bus ‘home’ to a bed still warm. Passing billboards promoting the latest Porsche, designer clothes, holidays abroad, the latest technology. Nothing to do until your next shift. Fucking hell! What a life. When I was a grand fromage, I took two guys from the warehouse, one Polish and hard as nails, the other guy was black and to my shame I can’t remember from which country, to Stamford Bridge to watch the mighty Chelsea, back in the days of Drogba. They were mesmerised by the occasion. As the players came out the two guys were it tears, these were both hard men. They loved me for it. I wonder where they are now. The Polish guy hot bedded in Luton and was an innocent part of a theft ring from my company. He told me of the horrors he faced picking fruit in Italy controlled by gang masters. I fucking hate anyone that treats people like animals. That's like something from a dystopian novel, but as you say is a sad reality for a lot of people It’s a harsh reality that bleeding hearts white liberals cannot comprehend. But isn't it generally more the right-wing that pushes the narrative that illegal immigrants are housed in luxury whilst British citizens are homeless or claim they get 50k in benefits upon arrival? I’ve never seen that. Not reading the right papers perhaps? You've never seen the Daily Express or Daily Mail headlines about a family of illegal immigrants being given massive houses or massive amounts of benefits? Or just their headlines about how much the tax payer spends on illegal immigrants benefits. There's loads of them Not newspapers that I take. I may have been exposed to headlines as I pass the newspaper rack in my local M&S food store but it doesn’t impact on my views or thoughts. But you said bleeding heart white liberals can't comprehend that harsh reality. Surely accepting that reality would only be of benefit to the general liberal argument , accepting more migrants so less have to come here illegally, and giving them more support and respect when they come here. It's surely more a Conservative position not to accept these harsh realities as they can then say they don't know what people are complaining about and the illegal immigrants are just financial chancers? Can I put you down to house one or a couple of young men of who you know nothing? They are wage earners, they are paying fir their accommodation Not on minimum wage they’re not." 40 hour week, £370 ? How much is a room with 15 other people? £50 ? | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? I know. Shocking isn’t it? Very, especially as it is impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom, do you have an anecdote for this situation? I stayed in a hostel dormitory that had capacity to sleep 18 of us. I mean serious debate about immigration to one side to say it's impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom is a strange argument to make I mean on one hand you have army barracks which house 30+. On the other I will admit I think the idea being mentioned was 15 in an area designed for much less, maybe 2 or 3 It’s a horrific thought isn’t it? Can you imagine doing a long shift at Amazon where your every move is monitored, then getting the bus ‘home’ to a bed still warm. Passing billboards promoting the latest Porsche, designer clothes, holidays abroad, the latest technology. Nothing to do until your next shift. Fucking hell! What a life. When I was a grand fromage, I took two guys from the warehouse, one Polish and hard as nails, the other guy was black and to my shame I can’t remember from which country, to Stamford Bridge to watch the mighty Chelsea, back in the days of Drogba. They were mesmerised by the occasion. As the players came out the two guys were it tears, these were both hard men. They loved me for it. I wonder where they are now. The Polish guy hot bedded in Luton and was an innocent part of a theft ring from my company. He told me of the horrors he faced picking fruit in Italy controlled by gang masters. I fucking hate anyone that treats people like animals. That's like something from a dystopian novel, but as you say is a sad reality for a lot of people It’s a harsh reality that bleeding hearts white liberals cannot comprehend. But isn't it generally more the right-wing that pushes the narrative that illegal immigrants are housed in luxury whilst British citizens are homeless or claim they get 50k in benefits upon arrival? I’ve never seen that. Not reading the right papers perhaps? You've never seen the Daily Express or Daily Mail headlines about a family of illegal immigrants being given massive houses or massive amounts of benefits? Or just their headlines about how much the tax payer spends on illegal immigrants benefits. There's loads of them Not newspapers that I take. I may have been exposed to headlines as I pass the newspaper rack in my local M&S food store but it doesn’t impact on my views or thoughts. But you said bleeding heart white liberals can't comprehend that harsh reality. Surely accepting that reality would only be of benefit to the general liberal argument , accepting more migrants so less have to come here illegally, and giving them more support and respect when they come here. It's surely more a Conservative position not to accept these harsh realities as they can then say they don't know what people are complaining about and the illegal immigrants are just financial chancers? Can I put you down to house one or a couple of young men of who you know nothing? They are wage earners, they are paying fir their accommodation Not on minimum wage they’re not. 40 hour week, £370 ? How much is a room with 15 other people? £50 ? " Stop being so naughty. I know you don’t approve of people living in less than agreeable circumstances/ conditions. | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? I know. Shocking isn’t it? Very, especially as it is impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom, do you have an anecdote for this situation? I stayed in a hostel dormitory that had capacity to sleep 18 of us. I mean serious debate about immigration to one side to say it's impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom is a strange argument to make I mean on one hand you have army barracks which house 30+. On the other I will admit I think the idea being mentioned was 15 in an area designed for much less, maybe 2 or 3 It’s a horrific thought isn’t it? Can you imagine doing a long shift at Amazon where your every move is monitored, then getting the bus ‘home’ to a bed still warm. Passing billboards promoting the latest Porsche, designer clothes, holidays abroad, the latest technology. Nothing to do until your next shift. Fucking hell! What a life. When I was a grand fromage, I took two guys from the warehouse, one Polish and hard as nails, the other guy was black and to my shame I can’t remember from which country, to Stamford Bridge to watch the mighty Chelsea, back in the days of Drogba. They were mesmerised by the occasion. As the players came out the two guys were it tears, these were both hard men. They loved me for it. I wonder where they are now. The Polish guy hot bedded in Luton and was an innocent part of a theft ring from my company. He told me of the horrors he faced picking fruit in Italy controlled by gang masters. I fucking hate anyone that treats people like animals. That's like something from a dystopian novel, but as you say is a sad reality for a lot of people It’s a harsh reality that bleeding hearts white liberals cannot comprehend. But isn't it generally more the right-wing that pushes the narrative that illegal immigrants are housed in luxury whilst British citizens are homeless or claim they get 50k in benefits upon arrival? I’ve never seen that. Not reading the right papers perhaps? You've never seen the Daily Express or Daily Mail headlines about a family of illegal immigrants being given massive houses or massive amounts of benefits? Or just their headlines about how much the tax payer spends on illegal immigrants benefits. There's loads of them Not newspapers that I take. I may have been exposed to headlines as I pass the newspaper rack in my local M&S food store but it doesn’t impact on my views or thoughts. But you said bleeding heart white liberals can't comprehend that harsh reality. Surely accepting that reality would only be of benefit to the general liberal argument , accepting more migrants so less have to come here illegally, and giving them more support and respect when they come here. It's surely more a Conservative position not to accept these harsh realities as they can then say they don't know what people are complaining about and the illegal immigrants are just financial chancers? Can I put you down to house one or a couple of young men of who you know nothing? They are wage earners, they are paying fir their accommodation Not on minimum wage they’re not. 40 hour week, £370 ? How much is a room with 15 other people? £50 ? Stop being so naughty. I know you don’t approve of people living in less than agreeable circumstances/ conditions. " You said it made you a ‘more rounded ‘ person? | |||
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"However, I'm interested to know how those who have the hardest hearts view this situation." "I'll volunteer as owner of one of the hardest of hearts. If I'd spotted him at immigration when he was 8 or 9, I would have had him sent home. If I'd found out when he applied to school at age 11 and with no previous schooling, I'd have had him sent home. If I'd discovered him when his citizenship application came through. I would note that the application was fraudulent, but that wasn't his fault since he was a minor. I would note that he had 6 years of British education, no criminal record, was possessed of a useful talent, and that he met all the citizenship requirements. I would have granted him citizenship." "So as long as someone attends school in the UK and are "useful" based on an arbitrary assessment then they can stay?" That's rather a warped way of interpreting what I said. The basic idea is: If someone arrives here illegally, send them back. If someone is discovered here having entered illegally, and they are not integrated into society, send them back. If someone has applied for and received British citizenship, has integrated into society and been a good citizen, and then several years later they are found to have come here illegally, let them stay. What purpose is served by deporting someone that has proved themselves to be a useful member of society? "Then why not let all "illegal" immigrants remain for 6 years of education and see if they are "useful"?" Because some of them might pass that test, but some of them won't. Given that they acted illegally to get here in the first place, I would suggest that they might be the sort of person that doesn't have full respect for law and order. "Mo Farah is an illegal immigration who no longer is of "use"." I would say that he is very much of use. He's currently teaching us all about child sl@very, and illegal immigration. He also acts as an inspiration to many, and does some good work for charity. "We should deport one of our national heroes to prove that "illegal" immigrants bring no value to our country and are unwanted." Seems a bit harsh to me. | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? I know. Shocking isn’t it? Very, especially as it is impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom, do you have an anecdote for this situation? I stayed in a hostel dormitory that had capacity to sleep 18 of us. I mean serious debate about immigration to one side to say it's impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom is a strange argument to make I mean on one hand you have army barracks which house 30+. On the other I will admit I think the idea being mentioned was 15 in an area designed for much less, maybe 2 or 3 It’s a horrific thought isn’t it? Can you imagine doing a long shift at Amazon where your every move is monitored, then getting the bus ‘home’ to a bed still warm. Passing billboards promoting the latest Porsche, designer clothes, holidays abroad, the latest technology. Nothing to do until your next shift. Fucking hell! What a life. When I was a grand fromage, I took two guys from the warehouse, one Polish and hard as nails, the other guy was black and to my shame I can’t remember from which country, to Stamford Bridge to watch the mighty Chelsea, back in the days of Drogba. They were mesmerised by the occasion. As the players came out the two guys were it tears, these were both hard men. They loved me for it. I wonder where they are now. The Polish guy hot bedded in Luton and was an innocent part of a theft ring from my company. He told me of the horrors he faced picking fruit in Italy controlled by gang masters. I fucking hate anyone that treats people like animals. That's like something from a dystopian novel, but as you say is a sad reality for a lot of people It’s a harsh reality that bleeding hearts white liberals cannot comprehend. But isn't it generally more the right-wing that pushes the narrative that illegal immigrants are housed in luxury whilst British citizens are homeless or claim they get 50k in benefits upon arrival? I’ve never seen that. Not reading the right papers perhaps? You've never seen the Daily Express or Daily Mail headlines about a family of illegal immigrants being given massive houses or massive amounts of benefits? Or just their headlines about how much the tax payer spends on illegal immigrants benefits. There's loads of them Not newspapers that I take. I may have been exposed to headlines as I pass the newspaper rack in my local M&S food store but it doesn’t impact on my views or thoughts. But you said bleeding heart white liberals can't comprehend that harsh reality. Surely accepting that reality would only be of benefit to the general liberal argument , accepting more migrants so less have to come here illegally, and giving them more support and respect when they come here. It's surely more a Conservative position not to accept these harsh realities as they can then say they don't know what people are complaining about and the illegal immigrants are just financial chancers? Can I put you down to house one or a couple of young men of who you know nothing? They are wage earners, they are paying fir their accommodation Not on minimum wage they’re not. 40 hour week, £370 ? How much is a room with 15 other people? £50 ? Stop being so naughty. I know you don’t approve of people living in less than agreeable circumstances/ conditions. You said it made you a ‘more rounded ‘ person? " But I was a child and didn’t know any different. I did used to look longingly through the gates and along the gravel drive to the big houses on the road from my estate to the river where I used to play. ‘One day’ I thought to myself. | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? I know. Shocking isn’t it? Very, especially as it is impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom, do you have an anecdote for this situation? I stayed in a hostel dormitory that had capacity to sleep 18 of us. I mean serious debate about immigration to one side to say it's impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom is a strange argument to make I mean on one hand you have army barracks which house 30+. On the other I will admit I think the idea being mentioned was 15 in an area designed for much less, maybe 2 or 3 It’s a horrific thought isn’t it? Can you imagine doing a long shift at Amazon where your every move is monitored, then getting the bus ‘home’ to a bed still warm. Passing billboards promoting the latest Porsche, designer clothes, holidays abroad, the latest technology. Nothing to do until your next shift. Fucking hell! What a life. When I was a grand fromage, I took two guys from the warehouse, one Polish and hard as nails, the other guy was black and to my shame I can’t remember from which country, to Stamford Bridge to watch the mighty Chelsea, back in the days of Drogba. They were mesmerised by the occasion. As the players came out the two guys were it tears, these were both hard men. They loved me for it. I wonder where they are now. The Polish guy hot bedded in Luton and was an innocent part of a theft ring from my company. He told me of the horrors he faced picking fruit in Italy controlled by gang masters. I fucking hate anyone that treats people like animals. That's like something from a dystopian novel, but as you say is a sad reality for a lot of people It’s a harsh reality that bleeding hearts white liberals cannot comprehend. But isn't it generally more the right-wing that pushes the narrative that illegal immigrants are housed in luxury whilst British citizens are homeless or claim they get 50k in benefits upon arrival? I’ve never seen that. Not reading the right papers perhaps? You've never seen the Daily Express or Daily Mail headlines about a family of illegal immigrants being given massive houses or massive amounts of benefits? Or just their headlines about how much the tax payer spends on illegal immigrants benefits. There's loads of them Not newspapers that I take. I may have been exposed to headlines as I pass the newspaper rack in my local M&S food store but it doesn’t impact on my views or thoughts. But you said bleeding heart white liberals can't comprehend that harsh reality. Surely accepting that reality would only be of benefit to the general liberal argument , accepting more migrants so less have to come here illegally, and giving them more support and respect when they come here. It's surely more a Conservative position not to accept these harsh realities as they can then say they don't know what people are complaining about and the illegal immigrants are just financial chancers? Can I put you down to house one or a couple of young men of who you know nothing? They are wage earners, they are paying fir their accommodation Not on minimum wage they’re not. 40 hour week, £370 ? How much is a room with 15 other people? £50 ? Stop being so naughty. I know you don’t approve of people living in less than agreeable circumstances/ conditions. You said it made you a ‘more rounded ‘ person? But I was a child and didn’t know any different. I did used to look longingly through the gates and along the gravel drive to the big houses on the road from my estate to the river where I used to play. ‘One day’ I thought to myself. " Did you ever end up living in one of these houses ? It is good to have aspirations, | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? I know. Shocking isn’t it? Very, especially as it is impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom, do you have an anecdote for this situation? I stayed in a hostel dormitory that had capacity to sleep 18 of us. I mean serious debate about immigration to one side to say it's impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom is a strange argument to make I mean on one hand you have army barracks which house 30+. On the other I will admit I think the idea being mentioned was 15 in an area designed for much less, maybe 2 or 3 It’s a horrific thought isn’t it? Can you imagine doing a long shift at Amazon where your every move is monitored, then getting the bus ‘home’ to a bed still warm. Passing billboards promoting the latest Porsche, designer clothes, holidays abroad, the latest technology. Nothing to do until your next shift. Fucking hell! What a life. When I was a grand fromage, I took two guys from the warehouse, one Polish and hard as nails, the other guy was black and to my shame I can’t remember from which country, to Stamford Bridge to watch the mighty Chelsea, back in the days of Drogba. They were mesmerised by the occasion. As the players came out the two guys were it tears, these were both hard men. They loved me for it. I wonder where they are now. The Polish guy hot bedded in Luton and was an innocent part of a theft ring from my company. He told me of the horrors he faced picking fruit in Italy controlled by gang masters. I fucking hate anyone that treats people like animals. That's like something from a dystopian novel, but as you say is a sad reality for a lot of people It’s a harsh reality that bleeding hearts white liberals cannot comprehend. But isn't it generally more the right-wing that pushes the narrative that illegal immigrants are housed in luxury whilst British citizens are homeless or claim they get 50k in benefits upon arrival? I’ve never seen that. Not reading the right papers perhaps? You've never seen the Daily Express or Daily Mail headlines about a family of illegal immigrants being given massive houses or massive amounts of benefits? Or just their headlines about how much the tax payer spends on illegal immigrants benefits. There's loads of them Not newspapers that I take. I may have been exposed to headlines as I pass the newspaper rack in my local M&S food store but it doesn’t impact on my views or thoughts. But you said bleeding heart white liberals can't comprehend that harsh reality. Surely accepting that reality would only be of benefit to the general liberal argument , accepting more migrants so less have to come here illegally, and giving them more support and respect when they come here. It's surely more a Conservative position not to accept these harsh realities as they can then say they don't know what people are complaining about and the illegal immigrants are just financial chancers? Can I put you down to house one or a couple of young men of who you know nothing? They are wage earners, they are paying fir their accommodation Not on minimum wage they’re not. 40 hour week, £370 ? How much is a room with 15 other people? £50 ? Stop being so naughty. I know you don’t approve of people living in less than agreeable circumstances/ conditions. You said it made you a ‘more rounded ‘ person? But I was a child and didn’t know any different. I did used to look longingly through the gates and along the gravel drive to the big houses on the road from my estate to the river where I used to play. ‘One day’ I thought to myself. Did you ever end up living in one of these houses ? It is good to have aspirations," Not quite and not that area, ( Laleham) a lovely place In Cambridgeshire though that was a perfect place to raise two boys. Actually, one impact of my upbringing, on any ‘lads’ trip - golf etc, I hated sharing rooms. Single supplements - worth every penny. | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? I know. Shocking isn’t it? Very, especially as it is impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom, do you have an anecdote for this situation? I stayed in a hostel dormitory that had capacity to sleep 18 of us. I mean serious debate about immigration to one side to say it's impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom is a strange argument to make I mean on one hand you have army barracks which house 30+. On the other I will admit I think the idea being mentioned was 15 in an area designed for much less, maybe 2 or 3 It’s a horrific thought isn’t it? Can you imagine doing a long shift at Amazon where your every move is monitored, then getting the bus ‘home’ to a bed still warm. Passing billboards promoting the latest Porsche, designer clothes, holidays abroad, the latest technology. Nothing to do until your next shift. Fucking hell! What a life. When I was a grand fromage, I took two guys from the warehouse, one Polish and hard as nails, the other guy was black and to my shame I can’t remember from which country, to Stamford Bridge to watch the mighty Chelsea, back in the days of Drogba. They were mesmerised by the occasion. As the players came out the two guys were it tears, these were both hard men. They loved me for it. I wonder where they are now. The Polish guy hot bedded in Luton and was an innocent part of a theft ring from my company. He told me of the horrors he faced picking fruit in Italy controlled by gang masters. I fucking hate anyone that treats people like animals. That's like something from a dystopian novel, but as you say is a sad reality for a lot of people It’s a harsh reality that bleeding hearts white liberals cannot comprehend. But isn't it generally more the right-wing that pushes the narrative that illegal immigrants are housed in luxury whilst British citizens are homeless or claim they get 50k in benefits upon arrival? I’ve never seen that. Not reading the right papers perhaps? You've never seen the Daily Express or Daily Mail headlines about a family of illegal immigrants being given massive houses or massive amounts of benefits? Or just their headlines about how much the tax payer spends on illegal immigrants benefits. There's loads of them Not newspapers that I take. I may have been exposed to headlines as I pass the newspaper rack in my local M&S food store but it doesn’t impact on my views or thoughts. But you said bleeding heart white liberals can't comprehend that harsh reality. Surely accepting that reality would only be of benefit to the general liberal argument , accepting more migrants so less have to come here illegally, and giving them more support and respect when they come here. It's surely more a Conservative position not to accept these harsh realities as they can then say they don't know what people are complaining about and the illegal immigrants are just financial chancers? Can I put you down to house one or a couple of young men of who you know nothing? They are wage earners, they are paying fir their accommodation Not on minimum wage they’re not. 40 hour week, £370 ? How much is a room with 15 other people? £50 ? Stop being so naughty. I know you don’t approve of people living in less than agreeable circumstances/ conditions. You said it made you a ‘more rounded ‘ person? But I was a child and didn’t know any different. I did used to look longingly through the gates and along the gravel drive to the big houses on the road from my estate to the river where I used to play. ‘One day’ I thought to myself. Did you ever end up living in one of these houses ? It is good to have aspirations, Not quite and not that area, ( Laleham) a lovely place In Cambridgeshire though that was a perfect place to raise two boys. Actually, one impact of my upbringing, on any ‘lads’ trip - golf etc, I hated sharing rooms. Single supplements - worth every penny." I no am glad to hear that sharing a room with so many people didn’t hold you back, maybe these expats can do the same | |||
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"Can't we all just refer to them as "expats"? That's only for British people who arrive as immigrants in other countries. Not for brown people arriving here. Wrong. It’s a person who lives outside their native country. Nothing to do with Brits and certainly nothing to do with colour. While the Brits in Benidorm may refer to themselves as ‘expats’ I would think the locals have some other choice Spanish terms. Immigrants, by chance? Legal ones with the means to support themselves. By working? Mainly retired, some running business and indeed many by working . Not taken advantage of and not living 15 to a bedroom & hot bedding. Living a good life in most cases. If not, they come home. 15 to a bedroom? I know. Shocking isn’t it? Very, especially as it is impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom, do you have an anecdote for this situation? I stayed in a hostel dormitory that had capacity to sleep 18 of us. I mean serious debate about immigration to one side to say it's impossible to get 15 people in a bedroom is a strange argument to make I mean on one hand you have army barracks which house 30+. On the other I will admit I think the idea being mentioned was 15 in an area designed for much less, maybe 2 or 3 It’s a horrific thought isn’t it? Can you imagine doing a long shift at Amazon where your every move is monitored, then getting the bus ‘home’ to a bed still warm. Passing billboards promoting the latest Porsche, designer clothes, holidays abroad, the latest technology. Nothing to do until your next shift. Fucking hell! What a life. When I was a grand fromage, I took two guys from the warehouse, one Polish and hard as nails, the other guy was black and to my shame I can’t remember from which country, to Stamford Bridge to watch the mighty Chelsea, back in the days of Drogba. They were mesmerised by the occasion. As the players came out the two guys were it tears, these were both hard men. They loved me for it. I wonder where they are now. The Polish guy hot bedded in Luton and was an innocent part of a theft ring from my company. He told me of the horrors he faced picking fruit in Italy controlled by gang masters. I fucking hate anyone that treats people like animals. That's like something from a dystopian novel, but as you say is a sad reality for a lot of people It’s a harsh reality that bleeding hearts white liberals cannot comprehend. But isn't it generally more the right-wing that pushes the narrative that illegal immigrants are housed in luxury whilst British citizens are homeless or claim they get 50k in benefits upon arrival? I’ve never seen that. Not reading the right papers perhaps? You've never seen the Daily Express or Daily Mail headlines about a family of illegal immigrants being given massive houses or massive amounts of benefits? Or just their headlines about how much the tax payer spends on illegal immigrants benefits. There's loads of them Not newspapers that I take. I may have been exposed to headlines as I pass the newspaper rack in my local M&S food store but it doesn’t impact on my views or thoughts. But you said bleeding heart white liberals can't comprehend that harsh reality. Surely accepting that reality would only be of benefit to the general liberal argument , accepting more migrants so less have to come here illegally, and giving them more support and respect when they come here. It's surely more a Conservative position not to accept these harsh realities as they can then say they don't know what people are complaining about and the illegal immigrants are just financial chancers? Can I put you down to house one or a couple of young men of who you know nothing? They are wage earners, they are paying fir their accommodation Not on minimum wage they’re not. 40 hour week, £370 ? How much is a room with 15 other people? £50 ? Stop being so naughty. I know you don’t approve of people living in less than agreeable circumstances/ conditions. You said it made you a ‘more rounded ‘ person? But I was a child and didn’t know any different. I did used to look longingly through the gates and along the gravel drive to the big houses on the road from my estate to the river where I used to play. ‘One day’ I thought to myself. Did you ever end up living in one of these houses ? It is good to have aspirations," Aspirations are indeed vital. | |||
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"However, I'm interested to know how those who have the hardest hearts view this situation. I'll volunteer as owner of one of the hardest of hearts. If I'd spotted him at immigration when he was 8 or 9, I would have had him sent home. If I'd found out when he applied to school at age 11 and with no previous schooling, I'd have had him sent home. If I'd discovered him when his citizenship application came through. I would note that the application was fraudulent, but that wasn't his fault since he was a minor. I would note that he had 6 years of British education, no criminal record, was possessed of a useful talent, and that he met all the citizenship requirements. I would have granted him citizenship. So as long as someone attends school in the UK and are "useful" based on an arbitrary assessment then they can stay? That's rather a warped way of interpreting what I said. The basic idea is: If someone arrives here illegally, send them back. If someone is discovered here having entered illegally, and they are not integrated into society, send them back. If someone has applied for and received British citizenship, has integrated into society and been a good citizen, and then several years later they are found to have come here illegally, let them stay. What purpose is served by deporting someone that has proved themselves to be a useful member of society? Then why not let all "illegal" immigrants remain for 6 years of education and see if they are "useful"? Because some of them might pass that test, but some of them won't. Given that they acted illegally to get here in the first place, I would suggest that they might be the sort of person that doesn't have full respect for law and order. Mo Farah is an illegal immigration who no longer is of "use". I would say that he is very much of use. He's currently teaching us all about child sl@very, and illegal immigration. He also acts as an inspiration to many, and does some good work for charity. We should deport one of our national heroes to prove that "illegal" immigrants bring no value to our country and are unwanted. Seems a bit harsh to me." So all completely arbitrary and subjective. It is almost impossible to be a refugee or looking for asylum and have any legal method of reaching the UK. Individuals or families, regardless of need. Yet if someone does manage to get here they are far more likely than not to be granted asylum. They are not lying about their circumstances. However, as a country we find them so objectionable that we would rather deport them to Rwanda as they are of no "use" to us. As a "message" to deter others. If you do arrive "illegally" and lie about it long enough then you get away with it. Interesting. What have you "learned" about "illegal" immigration? | |||
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"When I were a lad sleeping was a luxury , we had to work 24 hour shifts down pit Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife Been watching an old TV comedy by any chance? " Oh I thought it was the leadership debate being quoted and their appreciation through their own experiences of the working classes lifestyles. Sorry my mistake | |||
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"However, I'm interested to know how those who have the hardest hearts view this situation." "I'll volunteer as owner of one of the hardest of hearts. If I'd spotted him at immigration when he was 8 or 9, I would have had him sent home. If I'd found out when he applied to school at age 11 and with no previous schooling, I'd have had him sent home. If I'd discovered him when his citizenship application came through. I would note that the application was fraudulent, but that wasn't his fault since he was a minor. I would note that he had 6 years of British education, no criminal record, was possessed of a useful talent, and that he met all the citizenship requirements. I would have granted him citizenship." "So as long as someone attends school in the UK and are "useful" based on an arbitrary assessment then they can stay?" "That's rather a warped way of interpreting what I said. The basic idea is: If someone arrives here illegally, send them back. If someone is discovered here having entered illegally, and they are not integrated into society, send them back. If someone has applied for and received British citizenship, has integrated into society and been a good citizen, and then several years later they are found to have come here illegally, let them stay. What purpose is served by deporting someone that has proved themselves to be a useful member of society?" "Then why not let all "illegal" immigrants remain for 6 years of education and see if they are "useful"?" "Because some of them might pass that test, but some of them won't. Given that they acted illegally to get here in the first place, I would suggest that they might be the sort of person that doesn't have full respect for law and order." "Mo Farah is an illegal immigration who no longer is of "use"." "I would say that he is very much of use. He's currently teaching us all about child sl@very, and illegal immigration. He also acts as an inspiration to many, and does some good work for charity." "So all completely arbitrary and subjective." Not arbitrary or subjective at all. If an immigrant can show that they are likely to benefit the country, they should be allowed in. If they can't show that, they should be turned away. "It is almost impossible to be a refugee or looking for asylum and have any legal method of reaching the UK." We've already had this discussion. If they have identity documents, they can just get on a ferry. "However, as a country we find them so objectionable that we would rather deport them to Rwanda as they are of no "use" to us." I wouldn't say that we find them objectionable. We just don't want to let people in if they are going to be a drain on society. The customs officers aren't turning people away purely on the basis that they don't like them. "If you do arrive "illegally" and lie about it long enough then you get away with it. Interesting." Think of it as like a statute of limitations. There's simply no point in deporting nice people if they have been here making friends and paying their taxes for years. "What have you "learned" about "illegal" immigration?" From Mo Farah? I've learned that it was surprisingly easy to smuggle children into the country even as recently as the 90s. I've also learned that child forced labour existed that recently. Beforehand I would have said that we'd stamped it out ages ago. | |||
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"However, I'm interested to know how those who have the hardest hearts view this situation. I'll volunteer as owner of one of the hardest of hearts. If I'd spotted him at immigration when he was 8 or 9, I would have had him sent home. If I'd found out when he applied to school at age 11 and with no previous schooling, I'd have had him sent home. If I'd discovered him when his citizenship application came through. I would note that the application was fraudulent, but that wasn't his fault since he was a minor. I would note that he had 6 years of British education, no criminal record, was possessed of a useful talent, and that he met all the citizenship requirements. I would have granted him citizenship. So as long as someone attends school in the UK and are "useful" based on an arbitrary assessment then they can stay? That's rather a warped way of interpreting what I said. The basic idea is: If someone arrives here illegally, send them back. If someone is discovered here having entered illegally, and they are not integrated into society, send them back. If someone has applied for and received British citizenship, has integrated into society and been a good citizen, and then several years later they are found to have come here illegally, let them stay. What purpose is served by deporting someone that has proved themselves to be a useful member of society? Then why not let all "illegal" immigrants remain for 6 years of education and see if they are "useful"? Because some of them might pass that test, but some of them won't. Given that they acted illegally to get here in the first place, I would suggest that they might be the sort of person that doesn't have full respect for law and order. Mo Farah is an illegal immigration who no longer is of "use". I would say that he is very much of use. He's currently teaching us all about child sl@very, and illegal immigration. He also acts as an inspiration to many, and does some good work for charity. So all completely arbitrary and subjective. Not arbitrary or subjective at all. If an immigrant can show that they are likely to benefit the country, they should be allowed in. If they can't show that, they should be turned away. It is almost impossible to be a refugee or looking for asylum and have any legal method of reaching the UK. We've already had this discussion. If they have identity documents, they can just get on a ferry. However, as a country we find them so objectionable that we would rather deport them to Rwanda as they are of no "use" to us. I wouldn't say that we find them objectionable. We just don't want to let people in if they are going to be a drain on society. The customs officers aren't turning people away purely on the basis that they don't like them. If you do arrive "illegally" and lie about it long enough then you get away with it. Interesting. Think of it as like a statute of limitations. There's simply no point in deporting nice people if they have been here making friends and paying their taxes for years. What have you "learned" about "illegal" immigration? From Mo Farah? I've learned that it was surprisingly easy to smuggle children into the country even as recently as the 90s. I've also learned that child forced labour existed that recently. Beforehand I would have said that we'd stamped it out ages ago." "Illegal" immigrants who can demonstrate an arbitrarily decided "value" can stay? Some have "value" so some have "no value"? Language is interesting. How do refugees get identity documents and "get on a ferry" from Somalia or Syria? Sir Mohammed Farah would have been turned away as a "drain on society". Apparently so would Preeti Patel's parents as legal immigrants. Nice people who arrived in the 1950s and there children have been deported after decades living here as part of our "hostile environment". You didn't learn that it is impossible to know who is "of use" and who is "nice" purely from looking at them and how they are legally defined? You didn't learn that individuals and countries can benefit greatly from being more kind and gracious? Again, interesting what lessons different people take. | |||
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"However, I'm interested to know how those who have the hardest hearts view this situation. I'll volunteer as owner of one of the hardest of hearts. If I'd spotted him at immigration when he was 8 or 9, I would have had him sent home. If I'd found out when he applied to school at age 11 and with no previous schooling, I'd have had him sent home. If I'd discovered him when his citizenship application came through. I would note that the application was fraudulent, but that wasn't his fault since he was a minor. I would note that he had 6 years of British education, no criminal record, was possessed of a useful talent, and that he met all the citizenship requirements. I would have granted him citizenship. If you had sent him home at 11 Great Britain would have lost its greatest ever athlete, such small margins in life " Greatest ever athlete ? A bit ott there i think. | |||
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"However, I'm interested to know how those who have the hardest hearts view this situation. I'll volunteer as owner of one of the hardest of hearts. If I'd spotted him at immigration when he was 8 or 9, I would have had him sent home. If I'd found out when he applied to school at age 11 and with no previous schooling, I'd have had him sent home. If I'd discovered him when his citizenship application came through. I would note that the application was fraudulent, but that wasn't his fault since he was a minor. I would note that he had 6 years of British education, no criminal record, was possessed of a useful talent, and that he met all the citizenship requirements. I would have granted him citizenship. So as long as someone attends school in the UK and are "useful" based on an arbitrary assessment then they can stay? That's rather a warped way of interpreting what I said. The basic idea is: If someone arrives here illegally, send them back. If someone is discovered here having entered illegally, and they are not integrated into society, send them back. If someone has applied for and received British citizenship, has integrated into society and been a good citizen, and then several years later they are found to have come here illegally, let them stay. What purpose is served by deporting someone that has proved themselves to be a useful member of society? Then why not let all "illegal" immigrants remain for 6 years of education and see if they are "useful"? Because some of them might pass that test, but some of them won't. Given that they acted illegally to get here in the first place, I would suggest that they might be the sort of person that doesn't have full respect for law and order. Mo Farah is an illegal immigration who no longer is of "use". I would say that he is very much of use. He's currently teaching us all about child sl@very, and illegal immigration. He also acts as an inspiration to many, and does some good work for charity. So all completely arbitrary and subjective. Not arbitrary or subjective at all. If an immigrant can show that they are likely to benefit the country, they should be allowed in. If they can't show that, they should be turned away. It is almost impossible to be a refugee or looking for asylum and have any legal method of reaching the UK. We've already had this discussion. If they have identity documents, they can just get on a ferry. However, as a country we find them so objectionable that we would rather deport them to Rwanda as they are of no "use" to us. I wouldn't say that we find them objectionable. We just don't want to let people in if they are going to be a drain on society. The customs officers aren't turning people away purely on the basis that they don't like them. If you do arrive "illegally" and lie about it long enough then you get away with it. Interesting. Think of it as like a statute of limitations. There's simply no point in deporting nice people if they have been here making friends and paying their taxes for years. What have you "learned" about "illegal" immigration? From Mo Farah? I've learned that it was surprisingly easy to smuggle children into the country even as recently as the 90s. I've also learned that child forced labour existed that recently. Beforehand I would have said that we'd stamped it out ages ago. "Illegal" immigrants who can demonstrate an arbitrarily decided "value" can stay? Some have "value" so some have "no value"? Language is interesting. How do refugees get identity documents and "get on a ferry" from Somalia or Syria? Sir Mohammed Farah would have been turned away as a "drain on society". Apparently so would Preeti Patel's parents as legal immigrants. Nice people who arrived in the 1950s and there children have been deported after decades living here as part of our "hostile environment". You didn't learn that it is impossible to know who is "of use" and who is "nice" purely from looking at them and how they are legally defined? You didn't learn that individuals and countries can benefit greatly from being more kind and gracious? Again, interesting what lessons different people take." language is interesting. I selaw the person you respond to use some language like if. Which you seem to have ignored as binary. If someone can't demonstrate they may add value isn't the same as saying all immigrants can't. Now I dont support some of their views here. They have drawn their lines a lot further right than me. But I can see how they are drawing their lines. I knew when the Mo story came up, it would be used this way. In the same way that any criminal activity from a refugee is used to show the down side of a policy. The forum would not accept a single person to dictate policy. The same rule should apply here. | |||
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"However, I'm interested to know how those who have the hardest hearts view this situation. I'll volunteer as owner of one of the hardest of hearts. If I'd spotted him at immigration when he was 8 or 9, I would have had him sent home. If I'd found out when he applied to school at age 11 and with no previous schooling, I'd have had him sent home. If I'd discovered him when his citizenship application came through. I would note that the application was fraudulent, but that wasn't his fault since he was a minor. I would note that he had 6 years of British education, no criminal record, was possessed of a useful talent, and that he met all the citizenship requirements. I would have granted him citizenship. If you had sent him home at 11 Great Britain would have lost its greatest ever athlete, such small margins in life Greatest ever athlete ? A bit ott there i think." I ment in track and field | |||
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"However, I'm interested to know how those who have the hardest hearts view this situation. I'll volunteer as owner of one of the hardest of hearts. If I'd spotted him at immigration when he was 8 or 9, I would have had him sent home. If I'd found out when he applied to school at age 11 and with no previous schooling, I'd have had him sent home. If I'd discovered him when his citizenship application came through. I would note that the application was fraudulent, but that wasn't his fault since he was a minor. I would note that he had 6 years of British education, no criminal record, was possessed of a useful talent, and that he met all the citizenship requirements. I would have granted him citizenship. So as long as someone attends school in the UK and are "useful" based on an arbitrary assessment then they can stay? That's rather a warped way of interpreting what I said. The basic idea is: If someone arrives here illegally, send them back. If someone is discovered here having entered illegally, and they are not integrated into society, send them back. If someone has applied for and received British citizenship, has integrated into society and been a good citizen, and then several years later they are found to have come here illegally, let them stay. What purpose is served by deporting someone that has proved themselves to be a useful member of society? Then why not let all "illegal" immigrants remain for 6 years of education and see if they are "useful"? Because some of them might pass that test, but some of them won't. Given that they acted illegally to get here in the first place, I would suggest that they might be the sort of person that doesn't have full respect for law and order. Mo Farah is an illegal immigration who no longer is of "use". I would say that he is very much of use. He's currently teaching us all about child sl@very, and illegal immigration. He also acts as an inspiration to many, and does some good work for charity. So all completely arbitrary and subjective. Not arbitrary or subjective at all. If an immigrant can show that they are likely to benefit the country, they should be allowed in. If they can't show that, they should be turned away. It is almost impossible to be a refugee or looking for asylum and have any legal method of reaching the UK. We've already had this discussion. If they have identity documents, they can just get on a ferry. However, as a country we find them so objectionable that we would rather deport them to Rwanda as they are of no "use" to us. I wouldn't say that we find them objectionable. We just don't want to let people in if they are going to be a drain on society. The customs officers aren't turning people away purely on the basis that they don't like them. If you do arrive "illegally" and lie about it long enough then you get away with it. Interesting. Think of it as like a statute of limitations. There's simply no point in deporting nice people if they have been here making friends and paying their taxes for years. What have you "learned" about "illegal" immigration? From Mo Farah? I've learned that it was surprisingly easy to smuggle children into the country even as recently as the 90s. I've also learned that child forced labour existed that recently. Beforehand I would have said that we'd stamped it out ages ago. "Illegal" immigrants who can demonstrate an arbitrarily decided "value" can stay? Some have "value" so some have "no value"? Language is interesting. How do refugees get identity documents and "get on a ferry" from Somalia or Syria? Sir Mohammed Farah would have been turned away as a "drain on society". Apparently so would Preeti Patel's parents as legal immigrants. Nice people who arrived in the 1950s and there children have been deported after decades living here as part of our "hostile environment". You didn't learn that it is impossible to know who is "of use" and who is "nice" purely from looking at them and how they are legally defined? You didn't learn that individuals and countries can benefit greatly from being more kind and gracious? Again, interesting what lessons different people take.language is interesting. I selaw the person you respond to use some language like if. Which you seem to have ignored as binary. If someone can't demonstrate they may add value isn't the same as saying all immigrants can't. Now I dont support some of their views here. They have drawn their lines a lot further right than me. But I can see how they are drawing their lines. I knew when the Mo story came up, it would be used this way. In the same way that any criminal activity from a refugee is used to show the down side of a policy. The forum would not accept a single person to dictate policy. The same rule should apply here. " Not sure about your first line. My point was that it is apparently acceptable for an "illegal" immigrant to remain in the UK if they can prove themselves to be "useful". We do not, actually, provide that opportunity. This could also be done with far less drama if we had legitimate routes for those under threat to apply for asylum from where they are. The whole point of the thread is that "illegal" is surely "illegal". Apparently, it is not for some. I do not see how they are drawing their lines except in an arbitrary way which does not even align with government policy. | |||
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""Illegal" immigrants who can demonstrate an arbitrarily decided "value" can stay?" Again, it's not arbitrarily decided. The vast majority of immigrants to the UK are let in because they have a secured employment here. They come in under the work visa scheme. Show that you have a job - you can come in. In Mo Farah's case is the other way round. He has been here for years and has shown no objectionable tendencies. What would be the purpose of sending him back to his country of origin? "Some have "value" so some have "no value"?" Yes, some have value (to the UK), some have no value (to the UK). "How do refugees get identity documents and "get on a ferry" from Somalia or Syria?" If they don't have any form of ID, then they can't even legally leave their own country, let alone travel through all the other countries between their home and the UK. "Sir Mohammed Farah would have been turned away as a "drain on society". Apparently so would Preeti Patel's parents as legal immigrants." That's true, and in the case of Mo Farah the UK would have been the poorer for it. People might argue over whether Priti Patel is a benefit or not. The path the UK has chosen over the past 2 decades is to 'keep the bad people out'. That means turning down some applications that would probably have been OK, they might even have been good, but they didn't get accepted for fear of terrorism. No one wants to the the minister that opened up immigration, and allowed in a terrorist. The papers already print front page stories when a person does a bad thing, and it turns out that they were known to the authorities. "Why didn't they do something" they all cry. "Nice people who arrived in the 1950s and there children have been deported after decades living here as part of our "hostile environment"." No, only bad people have been deported (and sometimes their children). It shouldn't have happened, but bureaucratic failures on both sides led to a very unfortunate situation. But that has nothing to do with Mo Farah, or allowing immigrants in. "You didn't learn that it is impossible to know who is "of use" and who is "nice" purely from looking at them and how they are legally defined? You didn't learn that individuals and countries can benefit greatly from being more kind and gracious?" I didn't learn either of those things, because I already knew them. Did you learn that Britain is a very tolerant and accepting country, since no one at all called for Mo Farah to be deported, not even the raving nutters of this forum? | |||
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"The whole point of the thread is that "illegal" is surely "illegal". Apparently, it is not for some." Again, it's a statute of limitations issue. If he'd arrived here last week, I'd have him sent home. If he'd arrived last year, I'd have him sent home. But after more than 2 decades, it's too late to correct the issue. I don't know what the actual statute of limitations is for immigration issues, but I'll bet that it's less than 20 years. | |||
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""Illegal" immigrants who can demonstrate an arbitrarily decided "value" can stay? Again, it's not arbitrarily decided. The vast majority of immigrants to the UK are let in because they have a secured employment here. They come in under the work visa scheme. Show that you have a job - you can come in. In Mo Farah's case is the other way round. He has been here for years and has shown no objectionable tendencies. What would be the purpose of sending him back to his country of origin? Some have "value" so some have "no value"? Yes, some have value (to the UK), some have no value (to the UK). How do refugees get identity documents and "get on a ferry" from Somalia or Syria? If they don't have any form of ID, then they can't even legally leave their own country, let alone travel through all the other countries between their home and the UK. Sir Mohammed Farah would have been turned away as a "drain on society". Apparently so would Preeti Patel's parents as legal immigrants. That's true, and in the case of Mo Farah the UK would have been the poorer for it. People might argue over whether Priti Patel is a benefit or not. The path the UK has chosen over the past 2 decades is to 'keep the bad people out'. That means turning down some applications that would probably have been OK, they might even have been good, but they didn't get accepted for fear of terrorism. No one wants to the the minister that opened up immigration, and allowed in a terrorist. The papers already print front page stories when a person does a bad thing, and it turns out that they were known to the authorities. "Why didn't they do something" they all cry. Nice people who arrived in the 1950s and there children have been deported after decades living here as part of our "hostile environment". No, only bad people have been deported (and sometimes their children). It shouldn't have happened, but bureaucratic failures on both sides led to a very unfortunate situation. But that has nothing to do with Mo Farah, or allowing immigrants in. You didn't learn that it is impossible to know who is "of use" and who is "nice" purely from looking at them and how they are legally defined? You didn't learn that individuals and countries can benefit greatly from being more kind and gracious? I didn't learn either of those things, because I already knew them. Did you learn that Britain is a very tolerant and accepting country, since no one at all called for Mo Farah to be deported, not even the raving nutters of this forum?" There are very few countries that require passport inspection to leave unless they properly record the passage of foreign nationals. The UK does not. Most countries only monitor foreign nationals entering. The point is that with no practical mechanism for legal asylum "illegal" asylum becomes the only route. You cause your own problem which you can use for political gain. This is about "illegal" immigration. This is ultimately the prevention of refugees or those seeking asylum from reaching our country because the majority who do have valid reasons for doing so according to both national and international law. They are not viewed, even in your dehumanising terms, as to there "value" to the UK. They are assumed to have no value and are treated as such. The UK's policy has not been that with respect to refugees and asylum claimants. It has been to keep them all out. Once again the majority are not "bad people" because their applications are granted. They are not only good people but also bring valuable skills and talents which could have been brought here more cheaply if a legal route existed. Not only bad people have been deported. The Still unresolved Windrush scandal demonstrates as well as the fact that the majority of UK attempted deportations are incorrectly attempted. Again, the Windrush deportations were enforced (illegally) decades later. No "statute of limitations" exists in UK law for the majority of matters. Unlawful forced deportation enforced by a government is a problem caused by "both sides"? Sounds like victim-blaming. | |||
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""Illegal" immigrants who can demonstrate an arbitrarily decided "value" can stay? Again, it's not arbitrarily decided. The vast majority of immigrants to the UK are let in because they have a secured employment here. They come in under the work visa scheme. Show that you have a job - you can come in. In Mo Farah's case is the other way round. He has been here for years and has shown no objectionable tendencies. What would be the purpose of sending him back to his country of origin? Some have "value" so some have "no value"? Yes, some have value (to the UK), some have no value (to the UK). How do refugees get identity documents and "get on a ferry" from Somalia or Syria? If they don't have any form of ID, then they can't even legally leave their own country, let alone travel through all the other countries between their home and the UK. Sir Mohammed Farah would have been turned away as a "drain on society". Apparently so would Preeti Patel's parents as legal immigrants. That's true, and in the case of Mo Farah the UK would have been the poorer for it. People might argue over whether Priti Patel is a benefit or not. The path the UK has chosen over the past 2 decades is to 'keep the bad people out'. That means turning down some applications that would probably have been OK, they might even have been good, but they didn't get accepted for fear of terrorism. No one wants to the the minister that opened up immigration, and allowed in a terrorist. The papers already print front page stories when a person does a bad thing, and it turns out that they were known to the authorities. "Why didn't they do something" they all cry. Nice people who arrived in the 1950s and there children have been deported after decades living here as part of our "hostile environment". No, only bad people have been deported (and sometimes their children). It shouldn't have happened, but bureaucratic failures on both sides led to a very unfortunate situation. But that has nothing to do with Mo Farah, or allowing immigrants in. You didn't learn that it is impossible to know who is "of use" and who is "nice" purely from looking at them and how they are legally defined? You didn't learn that individuals and countries can benefit greatly from being more kind and gracious? I didn't learn either of those things, because I already knew them. Did you learn that Britain is a very tolerant and accepting country, since no one at all called for Mo Farah to be deported, not even the raving nutters of this forum?" Well said. Sadly some can never accept that the UK is not the nasty racist infested land that the portray. | |||
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"There are very few countries that require passport inspection to leave unless they properly record the passage of foreign nationals. The UK does not. Most countries only monitor foreign nationals entering." Correct, but your hypothetical ID-less person is going to have to enter another country in order to leave his own, isn't he. "The point is that with no practical mechanism for legal asylum "illegal" asylum becomes the only route." That's rather like saying that without the financial means to purchase a Porsche, the only route they have is to steal one. There is of course the option of not having one at all. Your ID-less refugee could stay where they are, or they could fight to change the system in their country, or they could claim asylum in some other country that they can walk into. Assuming that your ID-less refugee meets the criteria for asylum, the Convention gives them the right to claim it in a safe country. It does not give them the right to specify which country. "This is about "illegal" immigration. This is ultimately the prevention of refugees or those seeking asylum from reaching our country because the majority who do have valid reasons for doing so according to both national and international law." you seem to be misunderstanding the asylum system. Asylum is a system which allows persecuted people to escape their home country. The Convention lays out the minimum rules under which a state *must* accept an asylum claim. For instance, if a gay Saudi Arabian asks for asylum here, the UK *must* grant it, because he faces the death penalty back at home. The granting of asylum means that a person has a good reason not to be sent back to their home country. It does not mean that they have a good reason to be here in the UK, that's not a consideration of the asylum system. "They are not viewed, even in your dehumanising terms, as to there "value" to the UK. They are assumed to have no value and are treated as such." No assumption or assessment of their value to the UK is made. The criteria for asylum are those laid out in the Convention. If they meet the criteria, we cannot send them back to their home country. "Once again the majority are not "bad people" because their applications are granted." Again, the granting of asylum does not mean that they are not a bad person. Even known criminals have to be accepted if they meet the criteria (there are exceptions for war crimes, and a few other things). The UK grants these people asylum because it is required to, not because we have evaluated them and decided they are worthy recipients of our largesse. "Unlawful forced deportation enforced by a government is a problem caused by "both sides"? Sounds like victim-blaming." I was stating that based on what I was told by someone with first-hand experience of it. Doing some investigation it seems that he may have been mistaken. I need to get back to him and find out what the real story is. Having said all that, you started this thread to see what people thought about Mo Farah. You seem to have dragged the conversation away from that issue. | |||
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"There are very few countries that require passport inspection to leave unless they properly record the passage of foreign nationals. The UK does not. Most countries only monitor foreign nationals entering. Correct, but your hypothetical ID-less person is going to have to enter another country in order to leave his own, isn't he. The point is that with no practical mechanism for legal asylum "illegal" asylum becomes the only route. That's rather like saying that without the financial means to purchase a Porsche, the only route they have is to steal one. There is of course the option of not having one at all. Your ID-less refugee could stay where they are, or they could fight to change the system in their country, or they could claim asylum in some other country that they can walk into. Assuming that your ID-less refugee meets the criteria for asylum, the Convention gives them the right to claim it in a safe country. It does not give them the right to specify which country. This is about "illegal" immigration. This is ultimately the prevention of refugees or those seeking asylum from reaching our country because the majority who do have valid reasons for doing so according to both national and international law. you seem to be misunderstanding the asylum system. Asylum is a system which allows persecuted people to escape their home country. The Convention lays out the minimum rules under which a state *must* accept an asylum claim. For instance, if a gay Saudi Arabian asks for asylum here, the UK *must* grant it, because he faces the death penalty back at home. The granting of asylum means that a person has a good reason not to be sent back to their home country. It does not mean that they have a good reason to be here in the UK, that's not a consideration of the asylum system. They are not viewed, even in your dehumanising terms, as to there "value" to the UK. They are assumed to have no value and are treated as such. No assumption or assessment of their value to the UK is made. The criteria for asylum are those laid out in the Convention. If they meet the criteria, we cannot send them back to their home country. Once again the majority are not "bad people" because their applications are granted. Again, the granting of asylum does not mean that they are not a bad person. Even known criminals have to be accepted if they meet the criteria (there are exceptions for war crimes, and a few other things). The UK grants these people asylum because it is required to, not because we have evaluated them and decided they are worthy recipients of our largesse. Unlawful forced deportation enforced by a government is a problem caused by "both sides"? Sounds like victim-blaming. I was stating that based on what I was told by someone with first-hand experience of it. Doing some investigation it seems that he may have been mistaken. I need to get back to him and find out what the real story is. Having said all that, you started this thread to see what people thought about Mo Farah. You seem to have dragged the conversation away from that issue." Much of the world have long, un-policed land borders. Your view may be coloured by your personal experience of travel to and from an island nation. Actually, you are completely incorrect about having to claim asylum in the first country of entry. It's been simply made up so as to absolve ourselves of responsibility. You can argue it out with the UNHCR who were set up with a mandate of the Refugee Convention. Your simile is meaningless. And your expectation that refugees should do something about changing their situation clearly comes from the position of privilege of someone living in a safe, wealthy country who has never experienced the threat of conflict and arbitrary violence. Quite. If you really want to continue to make legalistic claims to sound clever, then refugees do not need to have a "good reason" to specifically be in the UK to claim asylum. They simply can. Those that choose the UK do in large part because they have family connections or speak the language and can consequently assimilate better into society. As you are well aware. However, the outcome (and intent) of UK policy in this area is to close every possible legal avenue to allow those seeking refuge to physically reach the UK. Also making every effort to make the process difficult if they do. Preventing people from travelling to the UK to obtain asylum is not synonymous with "keeping bad people out". Well done in managing to agree that policy on this matter diverges from your wish to judge people on how "useful" they are to the country. Your statement based on heresay (gossip) was incorrect. You were wrong. Fine. No, I started this thread to see how consistent people's views were on "illegal" immigration. The outcome is that those who have the strongest views on strict enforcement on immigration apply completely arbitrary criteria to what is and is not acceptable to them personally. | |||
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"Much of the world have long, un-policed land borders." That's true, but is crossing them without showing ID legal? We were talking about legal methods only. "Actually, you are completely incorrect about having to claim asylum in the first country of entry." I didn't say anything about first country of entry. "... refugees do not need to have a "good reason" to specifically be in the UK to claim asylum. They simply can." You were the one that brought up the idea that asylum seekers have "valid reasons" to be here. I didn't disagree, I just said that their reasons, good or bad, were not relevant to an asylum claim. "However, the outcome (and intent) of UK policy in this area is to close every possible legal avenue to allow those seeking refuge to physically reach the UK. Also making every effort to make the process difficult if they do." Yes, that's what I said earlier. The imperative is to keep bad people out and, since we don't have mind-reading machines, that means keeping out everyone that doesn't already have a job, or family here. "No, I started this thread to see how consistent people's views were on "illegal" immigration. The outcome is that those who have the strongest views on strict enforcement on immigration apply completely arbitrary criteria to what is and is not acceptable to them personally." It seems to me that the outcome is that you will ignore whatever anyone says if they don't agree with you. | |||
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"Much of the world have long, un-policed land borders. That's true, but is crossing them without showing ID legal? We were talking about legal methods only. Actually, you are completely incorrect about having to claim asylum in the first country of entry. I didn't say anything about first country of entry. ... refugees do not need to have a "good reason" to specifically be in the UK to claim asylum. They simply can. You were the one that brought up the idea that asylum seekers have "valid reasons" to be here. I didn't disagree, I just said that their reasons, good or bad, were not relevant to an asylum claim. However, the outcome (and intent) of UK policy in this area is to close every possible legal avenue to allow those seeking refuge to physically reach the UK. Also making every effort to make the process difficult if they do. Yes, that's what I said earlier. The imperative is to keep bad people out and, since we don't have mind-reading machines, that means keeping out everyone that doesn't already have a job, or family here. No, I started this thread to see how consistent people's views were on "illegal" immigration. The outcome is that those who have the strongest views on strict enforcement on immigration apply completely arbitrary criteria to what is and is not acceptable to them personally. It seems to me that the outcome is that you will ignore whatever anyone says if they don't agree with you." That’s his style I’m afraid. Doesn’t make for the best of debates. | |||
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"Much of the world have long, un-policed land borders. That's true, but is crossing them without showing ID legal? We were talking about legal methods only. Actually, you are completely incorrect about having to claim asylum in the first country of entry. I didn't say anything about first country of entry. ... refugees do not need to have a "good reason" to specifically be in the UK to claim asylum. They simply can. You were the one that brought up the idea that asylum seekers have "valid reasons" to be here. I didn't disagree, I just said that their reasons, good or bad, were not relevant to an asylum claim. However, the outcome (and intent) of UK policy in this area is to close every possible legal avenue to allow those seeking refuge to physically reach the UK. Also making every effort to make the process difficult if they do. Yes, that's what I said earlier. The imperative is to keep bad people out and, since we don't have mind-reading machines, that means keeping out everyone that doesn't already have a job, or family here. No, I started this thread to see how consistent people's views were on "illegal" immigration. The outcome is that those who have the strongest views on strict enforcement on immigration apply completely arbitrary criteria to what is and is not acceptable to them personally. It seems to me that the outcome is that you will ignore whatever anyone says if they don't agree with you." No. I have been discussing "illegal" immigration. You have been mixing the topic of managed immigration in for no apparent reason. You brought up being "useful" in that context. Managed immigrants are no less likely to be "bad" people than refugees, unless you have some data to suggest otherwise. Consequently your "imperative to keep bad people out" is meaningless. It is just a vulnerable group to blame and be seen to be "tough on". It's bullying for political benefit. Your criteria for accepting or denying an immigrant or refugee are based purely on their utility and prejudice against an already victimised group. That is who you are and it is clearly not going to change. You have demonstrated this throughout your posting. That was the purpose of the thread. | |||
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"Much of the world have long, un-policed land borders. That's true, but is crossing them without showing ID legal? We were talking about legal methods only. Actually, you are completely incorrect about having to claim asylum in the first country of entry. I didn't say anything about first country of entry. ... refugees do not need to have a "good reason" to specifically be in the UK to claim asylum. They simply can. You were the one that brought up the idea that asylum seekers have "valid reasons" to be here. I didn't disagree, I just said that their reasons, good or bad, were not relevant to an asylum claim. However, the outcome (and intent) of UK policy in this area is to close every possible legal avenue to allow those seeking refuge to physically reach the UK. Also making every effort to make the process difficult if they do. Yes, that's what I said earlier. The imperative is to keep bad people out and, since we don't have mind-reading machines, that means keeping out everyone that doesn't already have a job, or family here. No, I started this thread to see how consistent people's views were on "illegal" immigration. The outcome is that those who have the strongest views on strict enforcement on immigration apply completely arbitrary criteria to what is and is not acceptable to them personally. It seems to me that the outcome is that you will ignore whatever anyone says if they don't agree with you. That’s his style I’m afraid. Doesn’t make for the best of debates." You have contributed nothing of any interest except for whistling from the sidelines, but thanks for coming | |||
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"Much of the world have long, un-policed land borders. That's true, but is crossing them without showing ID legal? We were talking about legal methods only. Actually, you are completely incorrect about having to claim asylum in the first country of entry. I didn't say anything about first country of entry. ... refugees do not need to have a "good reason" to specifically be in the UK to claim asylum. They simply can. You were the one that brought up the idea that asylum seekers have "valid reasons" to be here. I didn't disagree, I just said that their reasons, good or bad, were not relevant to an asylum claim. However, the outcome (and intent) of UK policy in this area is to close every possible legal avenue to allow those seeking refuge to physically reach the UK. Also making every effort to make the process difficult if they do. Yes, that's what I said earlier. The imperative is to keep bad people out and, since we don't have mind-reading machines, that means keeping out everyone that doesn't already have a job, or family here. No, I started this thread to see how consistent people's views were on "illegal" immigration. The outcome is that those who have the strongest views on strict enforcement on immigration apply completely arbitrary criteria to what is and is not acceptable to them personally. It seems to me that the outcome is that you will ignore whatever anyone says if they don't agree with you. That’s his style I’m afraid. Doesn’t make for the best of debates. You have contributed nothing of any interest except for whistling from the sidelines, but thanks for coming "Out of interest - is your profile name just a wind up, in line with your posts / comments? | |||
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