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"So, last week, Nord Stream 1 came back online at 60% of capacity. In the Press this weekend, UK announced 35% increasemin Gas pressure on the link to the Netherlands can be uses to carry additional Gas to make up the shortfall from Norway. What a surprise, Russia today announce further supply cuts to Germany. They are starving Gas into Europe, why the hell was making up the shortfall all over the Press. The intention was to push 'our' winter requirements into European storage to take back later when needed. That's screwed now, is there no secrets? Why was it allowed in the public domain?" Why would you assume it's the truth ? | |||
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"Considering Russia's cut almost the whole of the EU off today in response. It would be a whopping own goal if it wasn't.. in all the fog and deceptions - I don't honestly believe provoking Russia's shutdown was part of the plan, not least until alternative supply was in place and it isn't. Or, is sacrificing 10's of 1000's of our own from death in the cold the objective to cull off some population part of the plan? Energy now predicted to hit £3900 per household in January." If we started now, today, to get some onshore wind turbine installations built we could probably have a good chunk of the power we need online before the winter starts really biting. It would need cutting through a lot of red tape (but wasn't that we had brexit for?) and the tory party stopping being twats. It would be good for the people of this country, and a good start towards cutting down carbon dioxide emissions. Unfortunately we've got the PM candidates competing to be more right wing, more anti-woke, more anti-green-energy than each other. I guess that the major tory donors have all got their money in gas and oil, not in green energy... So as usual, the ordinary people of the country are disposable, and government policy remains dictated by the investment portfolios of the rich few. | |||
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"What's next, an accidental ship anchor dragging over the Norway-UK or UK-EU pipelines?" Says the man who started a thread to complain about people giving Putin ideas. | |||
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"What's next, an accidental ship anchor dragging over the Norway-UK or UK-EU pipelines? Says the man who started a thread to complain about people giving Putin ideas." Royal Navy has been chasing away Russian shipping, manned and unmanned subs from our underwater infrastructure for years. More so in the last three. It's already in the plan. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jan/08/uk-military-chief-warns-of-russian-threat-to-vital-undersea-cables The head of the UK’s armed forces has warned that Russian submarine activity is threatening underwater cables that are crucial to communication systems around the world. Adm Tony Radakin said undersea cables that transmit internet data are “the world’s real information system”, and added that any attempt to damage them could be considered an “act of war”. | |||
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"Considering Russia's cut almost the whole of the EU off today in response. It would be a whopping own goal if it wasn't.. in all the fog and deceptions - I don't honestly believe provoking Russia's shutdown was part of the plan, not least until alternative supply was in place and it isn't. Or, is sacrificing 10's of 1000's of our own from death in the cold the objective to cull off some population part of the plan? Energy now predicted to hit £3900 per household in January. If we started now, today, to get some onshore wind turbine installations built we could probably have a good chunk of the power we need online before the winter starts really biting. It would need cutting through a lot of red tape (but wasn't that we had brexit for?) and the tory party stopping being twats. It would be good for the people of this country, and a good start towards cutting down carbon dioxide emissions. Unfortunately we've got the PM candidates competing to be more right wing, more anti-woke, more anti-green-energy than each other. I guess that the major tory donors have all got their money in gas and oil, not in green energy... So as usual, the ordinary people of the country are disposable, and government policy remains dictated by the investment portfolios of the rich few." Not a cat in hells chance. They're already dishing fines for cable connections to North Wales from Scotland for being being late. Locating Planning Foundation or anchors Manufacturing Cranes and tugs Assembly Commissioning I used to go jet-skiing around the ones off Colwyn Bay and get chased off by the Security boat for getting too close. 8 miles offshore, they took years to put up. The trains rolling down the hill, it will be in slow motion when it hits. Other than "Welcome Spaces" being creates to keep people alive, as you say, the PM candidates are so busy fuckin themselves over, they haven't realised the ship is sinking. You heard of any other contingency planning? I haven't.. | |||
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"Considering Russia's cut almost the whole of the EU off today in response. It would be a whopping own goal if it wasn't.. in all the fog and deceptions - I don't honestly believe provoking Russia's shutdown was part of the plan, not least until alternative supply was in place and it isn't. Or, is sacrificing 10's of 1000's of our own from death in the cold the objective to cull off some population part of the plan? Energy now predicted to hit £3900 per household in January. If we started now, today, to get some onshore wind turbine installations built we could probably have a good chunk of the power we need online before the winter starts really biting. It would need cutting through a lot of red tape (but wasn't that we had brexit for?) and the tory party stopping being twats. It would be good for the people of this country, and a good start towards cutting down carbon dioxide emissions. Unfortunately we've got the PM candidates competing to be more right wing, more anti-woke, more anti-green-energy than each other. I guess that the major tory donors have all got their money in gas and oil, not in green energy... So as usual, the ordinary people of the country are disposable, and government policy remains dictated by the investment portfolios of the rich few." This rhetoric is misleading - You should read the piece in the Ft.com re. the uk and how it leads the world in wind generated power. Quite extraordinary really. A recent statistic showed that at various points as much as 53% of electricity used in the uk is generated by wind power. DYOR   | |||
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"Considering Russia's cut almost the whole of the EU off today in response. It would be a whopping own goal if it wasn't.. in all the fog and deceptions - I don't honestly believe provoking Russia's shutdown was part of the plan, not least until alternative supply was in place and it isn't. Or, is sacrificing 10's of 1000's of our own from death in the cold the objective to cull off some population part of the plan? Energy now predicted to hit £3900 per household in January. If we started now, today, to get some onshore wind turbine installations built we could probably have a good chunk of the power we need online before the winter starts really biting. It would need cutting through a lot of red tape (but wasn't that we had brexit for?) and the tory party stopping being twats. It would be good for the people of this country, and a good start towards cutting down carbon dioxide emissions. Unfortunately we've got the PM candidates competing to be more right wing, more anti-woke, more anti-green-energy than each other. I guess that the major tory donors have all got their money in gas and oil, not in green energy... So as usual, the ordinary people of the country are disposable, and government policy remains dictated by the investment portfolios of the rich few. This rhetoric is misleading - You should read the piece in the Ft.com re. the uk and how it leads the world in wind generated power. Quite extraordinary really. A recent statistic showed that at various points as much as 53% of electricity used in the uk is generated by wind power. DYOR "Not sure where 53% came from.. We are ticking along at 28Gw-34Ww per hour, and I've not seen Gas below 45% for over 6 months I started watching it. 3pm this afternoon it was 47%, Euro womens Semi just ended and currently 57% Gas. Apparently we have 25Gw generation capacity, if it has ever been 53%, it was during a windy winter storm. It's currently as it usually is 10%. Capacity and actual are not the same. Stats n graphs here: https://grid.iamkate.com/ | |||
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"Considering Russia's cut almost the whole of the EU off today in response. It would be a whopping own goal if it wasn't.. in all the fog and deceptions - I don't honestly believe provoking Russia's shutdown was part of the plan, not least until alternative supply was in place and it isn't. Or, is sacrificing 10's of 1000's of our own from death in the cold the objective to cull off some population part of the plan? Energy now predicted to hit £3900 per household in January. If we started now, today, to get some onshore wind turbine installations built we could probably have a good chunk of the power we need online before the winter starts really biting. It would need cutting through a lot of red tape (but wasn't that we had brexit for?) and the tory party stopping being twats. It would be good for the people of this country, and a good start towards cutting down carbon dioxide emissions. Unfortunately we've got the PM candidates competing to be more right wing, more anti-woke, more anti-green-energy than each other. I guess that the major tory donors have all got their money in gas and oil, not in green energy... So as usual, the ordinary people of the country are disposable, and government policy remains dictated by the investment portfolios of the rich few. Not a cat in hells chance. They're already dishing fines for cable connections to North Wales from Scotland for being being late. Locating Planning Foundation or anchors Manufacturing Cranes and tugs Assembly Commissioning I used to go jet-skiing around the ones off Colwyn Bay and get chased off by the Security boat for getting too close. 8 miles offshore, they took years to put up. The trains rolling down the hill, it will be in slow motion when it hits. Other than "Welcome Spaces" being creates to keep people alive, as you say, the PM candidates are so busy fuckin themselves over, they haven't realised the ship is sinking. You heard of any other contingency planning? I haven't.. " All those reasons why I said onshore wind. As you say, building offshore is incredibly harder (and more expensive) than building onshore. I realize that it won't happen, because there is not just zero political will to make it happen, there is active opposition to it. Lots of very rich people are making even more megabucks because of the gas shortages. As with absolutely everything else in this country, the only way that money ever gets spent to improve the lives of the general population is when government is forced into doing it by threat of losing their jobs or losing their lives, and then the barest minimum is done that will suffice to placate the unrest. With onshore wind it could be made to happen, sufficient to at least start making a difference by wintertime. But it will not happen, as quite frankly the government sets zero worth upon the well being of the general population. | |||
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"Considering Russia's cut almost the whole of the EU off today in response. It would be a whopping own goal if it wasn't.. in all the fog and deceptions - I don't honestly believe provoking Russia's shutdown was part of the plan, not least until alternative supply was in place and it isn't. Or, is sacrificing 10's of 1000's of our own from death in the cold the objective to cull off some population part of the plan? Energy now predicted to hit £3900 per household in January. If we started now, today, to get some onshore wind turbine installations built we could probably have a good chunk of the power we need online before the winter starts really biting. It would need cutting through a lot of red tape (but wasn't that we had brexit for?) and the tory party stopping being twats. It would be good for the people of this country, and a good start towards cutting down carbon dioxide emissions. Unfortunately we've got the PM candidates competing to be more right wing, more anti-woke, more anti-green-energy than each other. I guess that the major tory donors have all got their money in gas and oil, not in green energy... So as usual, the ordinary people of the country are disposable, and government policy remains dictated by the investment portfolios of the rich few. This rhetoric is misleading - You should read the piece in the Ft.com re. the uk and how it leads the world in wind generated power. Quite extraordinary really. A recent statistic showed that at various points as much as 53% of electricity used in the uk is generated by wind power. DYOR "Cornwall is self-sufficient in energy from green sources. Hundreds of onshore wind turbines, and hundreds of onshore solar farms. These things can be installed relatively quickly. And they are exactly the things that the PM candidates have totally ruled out allowing to be built. Instead stating that they intend to solve the current energy crisis by building more nuclear plants - which even if foundations were being dug today, would not start generating a single watt of power for at least 20 years. | |||
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"Considering Russia's cut almost the whole of the EU off today in response. It would be a whopping own goal if it wasn't.. in all the fog and deceptions - I don't honestly believe provoking Russia's shutdown was part of the plan, not least until alternative supply was in place and it isn't. Or, is sacrificing 10's of 1000's of our own from death in the cold the objective to cull off some population part of the plan? Energy now predicted to hit £3900 per household in January. If we started now, today, to get some onshore wind turbine installations built we could probably have a good chunk of the power we need online before the winter starts really biting. It would need cutting through a lot of red tape (but wasn't that we had brexit for?) and the tory party stopping being twats. It would be good for the people of this country, and a good start towards cutting down carbon dioxide emissions. Unfortunately we've got the PM candidates competing to be more right wing, more anti-woke, more anti-green-energy than each other. I guess that the major tory donors have all got their money in gas and oil, not in green energy... So as usual, the ordinary people of the country are disposable, and government policy remains dictated by the investment portfolios of the rich few. This rhetoric is misleading - You should read the piece in the Ft.com re. the uk and how it leads the world in wind generated power. Quite extraordinary really. A recent statistic showed that at various points as much as 53% of electricity used in the uk is generated by wind power. DYOR
Cornwall is self-sufficient in energy from green sources. Hundreds of onshore wind turbines, and hundreds of onshore solar farms. These things can be installed relatively quickly. And they are exactly the things that the PM candidates have totally ruled out allowing to be built. Instead stating that they intend to solve the current energy crisis by building more nuclear plants - which even if foundations were being dug today, would not start generating a single watt of power for at least 20 years."Is Cornwall going Off Grid? Disconnected at the Tamar. We'll see what happens after October, there isn't that many turbines down there for the demand. What they going to do on a calm and cloudy day? Far from sufficient. This was published on Cornwall.gov website on 14th June 22: Increasing the amount of renewable energy generated in Cornwall Since 2009 we have increased the amount of electricity we can generate from 90 to over 800 megawatts. That means around 40% of Cornwall's electricity now comes from renewable sources. Cornwall's new smart-grid wind turbine is generating enough energy to power over 1,400 Cornish homes. That 40% will also include Solar which stops during the night!! Pull the plug, it'll mean more for the rest if the country. | |||
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"Considering Russia's cut almost the whole of the EU off today in response. It would be a whopping own goal if it wasn't.. in all the fog and deceptions - I don't honestly believe provoking Russia's shutdown was part of the plan, not least until alternative supply was in place and it isn't. Or, is sacrificing 10's of 1000's of our own from death in the cold the objective to cull off some population part of the plan? Energy now predicted to hit £3900 per household in January. If we started now, today, to get some onshore wind turbine installations built we could probably have a good chunk of the power we need online before the winter starts really biting. It would need cutting through a lot of red tape (but wasn't that we had brexit for?) and the tory party stopping being twats. It would be good for the people of this country, and a good start towards cutting down carbon dioxide emissions. Unfortunately we've got the PM candidates competing to be more right wing, more anti-woke, more anti-green-energy than each other. I guess that the major tory donors have all got their money in gas and oil, not in green energy... So as usual, the ordinary people of the country are disposable, and government policy remains dictated by the investment portfolios of the rich few. This rhetoric is misleading - You should read the piece in the Ft.com re. the uk and how it leads the world in wind generated power. Quite extraordinary really. A recent statistic showed that at various points as much as 53% of electricity used in the uk is generated by wind power. DYOR
Cornwall is self-sufficient in energy from green sources. Hundreds of onshore wind turbines, and hundreds of onshore solar farms. These things can be installed relatively quickly. And they are exactly the things that the PM candidates have totally ruled out allowing to be built. Instead stating that they intend to solve the current energy crisis by building more nuclear plants - which even if foundations were being dug today, would not start generating a single watt of power for at least 20 years.
Is Cornwall going Off Grid? Disconnected at the Tamar.
We'll see what happens after October, there isn't that many turbines down there for the demand.
What they going to do on a calm and cloudy day? Far from sufficient.
This was published on Cornwall.gov website on 14th June 22:
Increasing the amount of renewable energy generated in Cornwall
Since 2009 we have increased the amount of electricity we can generate from 90 to over 800 megawatts. That means around 40% of Cornwall's electricity now comes from renewable sources. Cornwall's new smart-grid wind turbine is generating enough energy to power over 1,400 Cornish homes.
That 40% will also include Solar which stops during the night!!
Pull the plug, it'll mean more for the rest if the country.
"The point is that the only technology that is currently available, that it is in any way possible to quickly install, in order to do anything whatsover to help in the current energy crisis is onshore wind and solar. Refusing to even consider these is to actively force that come winter energy prices will spiral and a huge section of the country's population will suffer, without even attempting to mitigate even slightly. Even if only 10% of required energy provision could be installed by winter, that is 10% more than will actually happen. Even if it was only 1%, that would be 1% more than will actually happen. Even if it's only 1% of requirement, and it only generates for 50% of the day, that is 50% of 1% more than the zero that will actually happen. The government is currently saying "no, even whatever minimum it could be possible to do to help you this winter, we are going to actively prevent that happening". | |||
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"Well.. Got some bad news, with Solar and Battery components on back order of up to 3 months, building a mega offshore windfall comparable to the last 12 years, multiplied by three and done in the next three months. That train left a long time ago, years of both Labour and Conservative failures have left this country's population exposed to high energy prices, the risk of power outages or rationing. I don't disagree but your ask is completely impossible. This was coming in October, November, December, January, February then March. We knew Putin was bullshitting and about to invade, we also knew energy would be a weapon. How many times have we had the threat 'Putin will shut off the gas", reality check, its happening - now.. 2006 - Tony Blair "we need to reduce our reliance on countries for fossil fuels". What did he do all those years as Prime Minister? Absolutely nothing, Nuclear was kicked down the road so many times, he set a deal with EDF that is going to be ridiculous p/kw and guaranteed the amount and prices. Toshiba pulled out, Osborne went tonguing China's ass while ignoring human rights, deal ultimately cancelled through security concerns. That leaves us with dickie Johnson and his 15 power stations, in 10 to 15 years. Only one problem, we need them in 12 weeks? At least those that survive the next few winters can look forward to 2030. Viable tidal was junked, domestic Solar had buckets of cold water thrown on it, Martin Lewis still claims that generating your own power isn't worth it. Even straight Solar with no batteries saving 35% is going to save £1500 per year. "We could have had it all", but now we face a winters of cold, hunger and people loosing their houses. All because a bunch of short sighted pricks fell for that so-called 'Clean, cheap, Russian gas". Buckle up, your in for the ride of your life. I remember Winter of '74 - candles, smokey paraffin heaters, Tilly lamps and crappy tungsten torches. At least torches have got better!" A lot of what you say is true. However I would pick you up on a couple of things. If anyone fell for "clean cheap Russian gas" it was the EU most notably Germany. Not Britain. Merkel was warned for 15 years that she was exposing Europe to gas black mail, but she completely ignored it. Here in Germany they are really shitting themselves about what is likely to happen this coming winter. While I agree that successive Labour and Conservative governments have left the country exposed by kicking the can down the road for years when it comes to building power stations. The real folly is thinking that solar and wind are viable replacements. Maybe in the long term they will be but, as you rightly say, we need it in 12 weeks not 12 years. The sad thing is that the real short/medium term answer is lying under Britain's feet. I've read various estimates ranging from 100-300 years worth of shale gas that could be on stream a damn site quicker than building thousands of new windmills and/or solar farms. Also new gas fired power station can be up and running years ahead of nuclear. I know that the green lobby will read the above and shout "HERESY" but maybe when the lights actually do go out (which is very likely this winter) they will think again. I would just add that this is 2022. Leap forward another few years when maybe half the cars on the road are electric. The evening power surge when everyone plugs them in for charging will make the Coronation St kettle surge look like a drop in the ocean. BTW! I've still got my Tilley lamp. | |||
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"If the UK is not addicted to Gas, not necessarily Russian, but exposed to the same market forces. Then will have they been he'll bent on building gas fired power stations over the last 15yrs. Look carefully at large industrial estates for a plot with discreet markings where further investigation it is a "booster" gas fired plant. The UK is littered with them. If we haven't fallen for gas, then why was 70% of the UKs electricity from gas at 10pm last, 65% at 2am this morning and 53% right now at 14:30 today. Although, it may not be direct Russian gas, but as Russian gas has flooded markets for years, holding the prices low to which we are now suffering. Find me a day when less than 40% is not from gas, I'll accept we have no addiction to it. No other energy input is higher or equal to gas. Look at the graphs in the link I posted earlier.." Industry needs gas the general public do not need to use it really. UK industry will always use gas at an uncompetitive price compared to china. | |||
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"If the UK is not addicted to Gas, not necessarily Russian, but exposed to the same market forces. Then will have they been he'll bent on building gas fired power stations over the last 15yrs. Look carefully at large industrial estates for a plot with discreet markings where further investigation it is a "booster" gas fired plant. The UK is littered with them. If we haven't fallen for gas, then why was 70% of the UKs electricity from gas at 10pm last, 65% at 2am this morning and 53% right now at 14:30 today. Although, it may not be direct Russian gas, but as Russian gas has flooded markets for years, holding the prices low to which we are now suffering. Find me a day when less than 40% is not from gas, I'll accept we have no addiction to it. No other energy input is higher or equal to gas. Look at the graphs in the link I posted earlier.." No argument on that. Of course Britain uses lots of gas. However, thankfully, Britain still produces much of its own. Compared to other EU countries Britain imports a very small percentage of what it uses. And very little of that comes from Russia. If shale gas was exploited properly Britain could not only be self sufficient but a net exporter. It would be a win win result. Not only for Britain's balance of payments, and helping to reduce the world gas price. But would be a poke in the eye for Putin's plan to weaponise gas. Like it or not, in the short/medium term, Britain and the rest of Europe will need a shit load of the stuff. Just a question of where it comes from. | |||
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"If the UK is not addicted to Gas, not necessarily Russian, but exposed to the same market forces. Then will have they been he'll bent on building gas fired power stations over the last 15yrs. Look carefully at large industrial estates for a plot with discreet markings where further investigation it is a "booster" gas fired plant. The UK is littered with them. If we haven't fallen for gas, then why was 70% of the UKs electricity from gas at 10pm last, 65% at 2am this morning and 53% right now at 14:30 today. Although, it may not be direct Russian gas, but as Russian gas has flooded markets for years, holding the prices low to which we are now suffering. Find me a day when less than 40% is not from gas, I'll accept we have no addiction to it. No other energy input is higher or equal to gas. Look at the graphs in the link I posted earlier.. No argument on that. Of course Britain uses lots of gas. However, thankfully, Britain still produces much of its own. Compared to other EU countries Britain imports a very small percentage of what it uses. And very little of that comes from Russia. If shale gas was exploited properly Britain could not only be self sufficient but a net exporter. It would be a win win result. Not only for Britain's balance of payments, and helping to reduce the world gas price. But would be a poke in the eye for Putin's plan to weaponise gas. Like it or not, in the short/medium term, Britain and the rest of Europe will need a shit load of the stuff. Just a question of where it comes from." 40% of our gas comes from Norway daily. Rest is from LNG imports with remaining from our offshore gas. Two weeks ago Norway was about to shut off supply due to strike action. We nearly woke up to a disaster. "The Norwegian government has stepped in to end a strike that had threatened supplies of gas to Britain. Norwegian gas supplies to the UK could be shut off this weekend if a dispute over pay for oil and gas workers escalates, a pipeline operator has warned. The European gas crisis has intensified after one of Norway’s biggest operators was forced to shut three oil and gas fields after workers went on strike. UK gas prices reached three-month highs on Tuesday as the energy company Equinor said that the fields on Norway’s continental shelf, which produce the equivalent of 89,000 barrels of oil a day, would suspend production. Norway’s oil workers’ union, Lederne, said the strike would extend to three further sites, affecting 333,000 oil equivalent barrels a day, including 264,000 in natural gas." | |||
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