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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago

North West

A Brexit win.

Looks like the French are taking control of their border.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A Brexit win.

Looks like the French are taking control of their border."

O dear, what a mess, why are they blaming the French for doing their job? They have to be careful that they don’t allow any ‘illegal immigrants ‘ into their country

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By *heNerdyFembyWoman
over a year ago

Eastbourne (she/they)

Always funny seeing people getting mad for getting what they asked for...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Always funny seeing people getting mad for getting what they asked for..."

They knew what they were voting for ,

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By *idnight RamblerMan
over a year ago

Pershore

The French were advised of holiday passenger numbers passing through their immigration point at Dover but neglected to resource their kiosks adequately. You might say 'fair enough' it's their business. But then again, are these the people we want to be in an economic alliance with? True colours and all that.

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By *heNerdyFembyWoman
over a year ago

Eastbourne (she/they)

"The French were advised of holiday passenger numbers passing through their immigration point at Dover but neglected to resource their kiosks adequately. You might say 'fair enough' it's their business. But then again, are these the people we want to be in an economic alliance with? True colours and all that. "

We told the French, we didn't wait for them to agree, we just told them, so they should have dropped everything to accommodate us!

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By *idnight RamblerMan
over a year ago

Pershore

The Dover Port Authority shared their summer passenger numbers with their French equivalents for months. The French are just being petulant and difficult - as always. UK holidaymakers would be better advised going somewhere else.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The Dover Port Authority shared their summer passenger numbers with their French equivalents for months. The French are just being petulant and difficult - as always. UK holidaymakers would be better advised going somewhere else."

Where do you suggest they go?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why are we telling the French how to control ‘their own borders’

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By *heNerdyFembyWoman
over a year ago

Eastbourne (she/they)

Did the French say they were willing to accommodate that number?

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By *uddy laneMan
over a year ago

dudley

Did the French say they were willing to accommodate that number?"

The disruption will be similar on the French side when they return.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

I do question peoples awareness to risk..The day after schools break up for summer, do you:

a) set off on you summer holiday

b) wait a 3 or 4 days, to go on holiday

Are you surprised? The airports couldn't cope with the easter rush, now what could possibly go wrong during peak times at the ports?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We told the French, we didn't wait for them to agree, we just told them, so they should have dropped everything to accommodate us!"

We're BRITISH innit. We expect innit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You reap what you sow.

You can always get a private jet, a private yacht , if you have the money that is , the politicians who took us out of the EU will not I assure you be sat in any traffic jam. As far as the French are concerned I am sure they are doing their job, as they see it lol

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

"You reap what you sow.

The politicians gave the British public the choice.

The British public voted to leave the EU fact.

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

"A Brexit win.

Looks like the French are taking control of their border.

O dear, what a mess, why are they blaming the French for doing their job? They have to be careful that they don’t allow any ‘illegal immigrants ‘ into their country "

It's a pity they can't do such a great job on the East of their country isn't it.!

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

Where do you suggest they go? "

Belgium & The Netherlands.

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By *heNerdyFembyWoman
over a year ago

Eastbourne (she/they)

"You reap what you sow.

The politicians gave the British public the choice.

The British public voted to leave the EU fact.

lets completely ignore ALL the lies that Leave told.

Lets ignore the amount of people that changed their mind

lets ignore how all the bad things that were warned about are happening.

Brexit Means Brexit... The ultimate example of how some people would rather cut of their nose to spite their face.

And then the arrogance and audacity to blame others for what they voted for.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You reap what you sow.

The politicians gave the British public the choice.

The British public voted to leave the EU fact.

lets completely ignore ALL the lies that Leave told.

Lets ignore the amount of people that changed their mind

lets ignore how all the bad things that were warned about are happening.

Brexit Means Brexit... The ultimate example of how some people would rather cut of their nose to spite their face.

And then the arrogance and audacity to blame others for what they voted for."

Very true

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Where do you suggest they go?

Belgium & The Netherlands. "

They are in the EU and don’t have good weather and beach’s, try again ,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A Brexit win.

Looks like the French are taking control of their border.

O dear, what a mess, why are they blaming the French for doing their job? They have to be careful that they don’t allow any ‘illegal immigrants ‘ into their country

It's a pity they can't do such a great job on the East of their country isn't it.!"

It is up to the French how they control their borders

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

not sure why the french should be expected to stump up extra cash to police the kent side of the border. the brextremists now have the border that they wanted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You reap what you sow.

The politicians gave the British public the choice.

The British public voted to leave the EU fact.

Correct, that is a fact, now stop moaning and blaming other people for what is happening and take responsibility for your ‘choice’

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"not sure why the french should be expected to stump up extra cash to police the kent side of the border. the brextremists now have the border that they wanted.

Exactly, they now have ‘control’

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Nothing to do with a tunnel "incident" that delayed the French deploying their border force officials then?

Or are the French telling lies?

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

the fact is that it's everything to do with increased security checks and extra layers of red-tape in reality ... just like the brextremists wanted after their little tantrum a couple of years ago

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"You reap what you sow.

The politicians gave the British public the choice.

The British public voted to leave the EU fact.

Are we celebrating that people believed the lies and voted in the interests of a few rich knobs while fucking the rest of us over now?

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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners

Brexit…. The gift that just keeps on giving…..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nothing to do with a tunnel "incident" that delayed the French deploying their border force officials then?

Or are the French telling lies?"

Could be, do you believe everything they say

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"Nothing to do with a tunnel "incident" that delayed the French deploying their border force officials then?

Or are the French telling lies?

Could be, do you believe everything they say

Looks like the French are lying.

Of the 14 rostered for the early shift, only 6 turned up. Nothing to do wth a small technical issue in the Tunnel.

Seems the French authorities are getting rather good at blaming everyone else!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nothing to do with a tunnel "incident" that delayed the French deploying their border force officials then?

Or are the French telling lies?

Could be, do you believe everything they say

Looks like the French are lying.

Of the 14 rostered for the early shift, only 6 turned up. Nothing to do wth a small technical issue in the Tunnel.

Seems the French authorities are getting rather good at blaming everyone else!"

How do you know, one minute it is the euro tunnel problem now it is lack of staff? Here is a fact, why are you relying on the French to solve our self inflicted shit show?

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

it appears that the brextremists are citing natalie elphike's claims, based on wild surmise that it's the fault of the french, as their source

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"it appears that the brextremists are citing natalie elphike's claims, based on wild surmise that it's the fault of the french, as their source

Ha, it is desperate, if it is the fault of the French we are now relying on them to sort out the problem, who holds all the cards

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Shambles. Dug our hole

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

just another chapter in the story of pathetic britain

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"just another chapter in the story of pathetic britain

According to the Brexit nutters a dozen or so French Border guards can create all these problems in Dover, worrying if true

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By *eanoCoolMan
over a year ago

wisbech

"just another chapter in the story of pathetic britain

According to the Brexit nutters a dozen or so French Border guards can create all these problems in Dover, worrying if true "

It appears its what the bbc amongst others are reporting to be the case, so who knows.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

it appears that because port of dover increased the number of border control booths by 50% in recent weeks, that they felt that they had the right to demand that the french stump up the huge extra costs of staffing them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"just another chapter in the story of pathetic britain

According to the Brexit nutters a dozen or so French Border guards can create all these problems in Dover, worrying if true

It appears its what the bbc amongst others are reporting to be the case, so who knows."

8 guards not showing up for work (apparently) has caused all this ? Scary that the uk are relying so heavily on these people

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By *eanoCoolMan
over a year ago

wisbech

"it appears that because port of dover increased the number of border control booths by 50% in recent weeks, that they felt that they had the right to demand that the french stump up the huge extra costs of staffing them.

Not seen that, where did you find it? Interesting.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

the irony is that with britain becoming more and more pathetic with each new day, the more desperate that people become to leave, thus exacerbating the problem of queues to leave britain for other more functional countries.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the irony is that with britain becoming more and more pathetic with each new day, the more desperate that people become to leave, thus exacerbating the problem of queues to leave britain for other more functional countries.

True. Why do people who voted for hard borders get upset and blame others when they impose hard borders

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

another irony is that people who voted to put a stop to freedom of movement over the uk border are upset because people are currently unable to freely move across the uk border.

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By *heNerdyFembyWoman
over a year ago

Eastbourne (she/they)

"another irony is that people who voted to put a stop to freedom of movement over the uk border are upset because people are currently unable to freely move across the uk border.

even more so that Dover was one of Brexit's most fervent supporters.

They voted against freedom of movement, and now you cannot move on the roads in Dover.

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

These are holiday makers, not people fleeing the country. Keep it real.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

These are holiday makers, not people fleeing the country. Keep it real."

How do you know?

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

if britain wasn't getting more and more pathetic by the day, i dare say that the so called holiday makers who are currently so desperate to leave in their millions, would rather have a lovely time on a 'staycation' instead of fleeing the shambles that is uk.

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

"just another chapter in the story of pathetic britain

According to the Brexit nutters a dozen or so French Border guards can create all these problems in Dover, worrying if true

It appears its what the bbc amongst others are reporting to be the case, so who knows.

8 guards not showing up for work (apparently) has caused all this ? Scary that the uk are relying so heavily on these people "

It’s ok Truss will get agency in … oh wait no they are French.. damn these clever foreigners.

These sunny uplands are a bit shit.

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By *ampshireharryMan
over a year ago

Ringwood

You seem to be a "remoaning blockhead" nobody is complaining about the choice to leave the EU we are complaining about how the French are causing unnecessary problems.

We as the public voted to join the EEC which was a commercial alliance, somebody, somewhere changed it to a Super-State which we did not vote to join.

If your so buried in your antagonism then bye all means emigrate to your lovely EU. Frankly with your attitude you won't be missed by the majority of the UK population.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You seem to be a "remoaning blockhead" nobody is complaining about the choice to leave the EU we are complaining about how the French are causing unnecessary problems.

We as the public voted to join the EEC which was a commercial alliance, somebody, somewhere changed it to a Super-State which we did not vote to join.

If your so buried in your antagonism then bye all means emigrate to your lovely EU. Frankly with your attitude you won't be missed by the majority of the UK population."

PMSL, I think we have a full house in Brexit Bingo .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You seem to be a "remoaning blockhead" nobody is complaining about the choice to leave the EU we are complaining about how the French are causing unnecessary problems.

We as the public voted to join the EEC which was a commercial alliance, somebody, somewhere changed it to a Super-State which we did not vote to join.

If your so buried in your antagonism then bye all means emigrate to your lovely EU. Frankly with your attitude you won't be missed by the majority of the UK population."

Btw, why are you blaming the French, they are doing exactly what you voted for by providing a hard border

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"You seem to be a "remoaning blockhead" nobody is complaining about the choice to leave the EU we are complaining about how the French are causing unnecessary problems.

We as the public voted to join the EEC which was a commercial alliance, somebody, somewhere changed it to a Super-State which we did not vote to join.

If your so buried in your antagonism then bye all means emigrate to your lovely EU. Frankly with your attitude you won't be missed by the majority of the UK population.

PMSL, I think we have a full house in Brexit Bingo ."

that house is short of a couple of rooms

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You seem to be a "remoaning blockhead" nobody is complaining about the choice to leave the EU we are complaining about how the French are causing unnecessary problems.

We as the public voted to join the EEC which was a commercial alliance, somebody, somewhere changed it to a Super-State which we did not vote to join.

If your so buried in your antagonism then bye all means emigrate to your lovely EU. Frankly with your attitude you won't be missed by the majority of the UK population.

PMSL, I think we have a full house in Brexit Bingo .

that house is short of a couple of rooms"

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"bye all means emigrate to your lovely EU. Frankly with your attitude you won't be missed by the majority of the UK population."

shame that it currently isn't possible to leave the country, owing to the fact that there are huge queues due to the majority of the uk population attempting to also leave this shambles of a country for the lovely EU.

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

If only the UK could come to an agreement where people could travel freely from one country to another, oh wait .......

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

"You seem to be a "remoaning blockhead" nobody is complaining about the choice to leave the EU we are complaining about how the French are causing unnecessary problems.

We as the public voted to join the EEC which was a commercial alliance, somebody, somewhere changed it to a Super-State which we did not vote to join.

If your so buried in your antagonism then bye all means emigrate to your lovely EU. Frankly with your attitude you won't be missed by the majority of the UK population."

I just Googled pompous... Pretty close though

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By *heNerdyFembyWoman
over a year ago

Eastbourne (she/they)

Do Brexiteers think that if the referendum were today that the nation would still vote for Brexit?

That's the impression I get from them and I genuinely cannot fathom how they think this.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"You seem to be a "remoaning blockhead" nobody is complaining about the choice to leave the EU we are complaining about how the French are causing unnecessary problems.

We as the public voted to join the EEC which was a commercial alliance, somebody, somewhere changed it to a Super-State which we did not vote to join.

If your so buried in your antagonism then bye all means emigrate to your lovely EU. Frankly with your attitude you won't be missed by the majority of the UK population."

Should everybody who understands the implications of Brexit leave the UK?

What's left then, a country of confused people who don't know what the EU is or how it works. Yikes.

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By *coptoCouple
over a year ago

Côte d'Azur & Great Yarmouth

Before we settled semi-permanently in France we drove Calais-Dover or Dover-Dunkirk at least a dozen times a year, DFDS multi-booking being the cheapest way to do it (I've still got four trips to use up before the end of the year!)

The French booths at Dover waved you through, the British ones at Calais were more of a pain and on one occasion my daughter who has dual nationality but is as cockney as wot I is was returning to the UK with us on her German passport and the UKBA and they wouldn't let us board a ferry until she'd got a friend in England to take a pic of her UK one and send it to her on her 'phone.

But NOW, of course, every single UK passport has to be stamped on entry to Europe - yes, Belgium and the Netherlands too - and on the way out, to check the 90 day limit.

No wonder there are delays entering France by road, nearly as bad as the queues getting out of our own airports because the passport e-scanners rarely function

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

"bye all means emigrate to your lovely EU. Frankly with your attitude you won't be missed by the majority of the UK population.

Let’s buy some dinghies and make our own way across - avoid the queue and the shambles of getting the Schengen admission stamp in our new blue passports

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

"Do Brexiteers think that if the referendum were today that the nation would still vote for Brexit?

That's the impression I get from them and I genuinely cannot fathom how they think this."

Because many are not as wealthy or cultured as us perhaps?

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"bye all means emigrate to your lovely EU. Frankly with your attitude you won't be missed by the majority of the UK population.

Let’s buy some dinghies and make our own way across - avoid the queue and the shambles of getting the Schengen admission stamp in our new blue passports "

i'm sure you have a fantastic return leg of your journey via a lengthy all inclusive trip to rwanda

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By *heNerdyFembyWoman
over a year ago

Eastbourne (she/they)

"bye all means emigrate to your lovely EU. Frankly with your attitude you won't be missed by the majority of the UK population.

Let’s buy some dinghies and make our own way across - avoid the queue and the shambles of getting the Schengen admission stamp in our new blue passports "

Just make sure Priti Patel doesn't see you, you might end up in Rwanda

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"Before we settled semi-permanently in France we drove Calais-Dover or Dover-Dunkirk at least a dozen times a year, DFDS multi-booking being the cheapest way to do it (I've still got four trips to use up before the end of the year!)

But NOW, of course, every single UK passport has to be stamped on entry to Europe - yes, Belgium and the Netherlands too - and on the way out, to check the 90 day limit.

No wonder there are delays entering France by road, nearly as bad as the queues getting out of our own airports because the passport e-scanners rarely function"

excellent post!!!!

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

Will all blow over once the French sort out their staffing issues ..

Storm in a tea cup

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

"Will all blow over once the French sort out their staffing issues ..

Storm in a tea cup "

Why should they ? I don’t understand why people think the French should pay for our stupidity.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Do Brexiteers think that if the referendum were today that the nation would still vote for Brexit?

That's the impression I get from them and I genuinely cannot fathom how they think this.

Because many are not as wealthy or cultured as us perhaps? "

It was the ultra wealthy who benefitted and who don't give a fuck about the implications.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"Will all blow over once the French sort out their staffing issues ..

Storm in a tea cup

Why should they ? I don’t understand why people think the French should pay for our stupidity. "

The don’t. When the queues dissipate, everyone will be happy again

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Will all blow over once the French sort out their staffing issues ..

Storm in a tea cup "

This evening's news report that things are now running freely since the French staffing levels are to where they should have been. The backlog is clearing but will take a bit of time. Seems the french blame euro tunnel who say its not true.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"Will all blow over once the French sort out their staffing issues ..

Storm in a tea cup

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"Will all blow over once the French sort out their staffing issues ..

Storm in a tea cup

that was proven debunked earlier on in the thread

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Will all blow over once the French sort out their staffing issues ..

Storm in a tea cup

that was proven debunked earlier on in the thread

Which bit. The BBC report at 9pm said what was in my post. If they have got it wrong on the news channel then they have also got it wrong on their website which also says the same about who blames who and that the port is flowing freely

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

"bye all means emigrate to your lovely EU. Frankly with your attitude you won't be missed by the majority of the UK population.

Let’s buy some dinghies and make our own way across - avoid the queue and the shambles of getting the Schengen admission stamp in our new blue passports

Just make sure Priti Patel doesn't see you, you might end up in Rwanda"

Result! She’s quite local to me as the MP for Witham. I quite fancy a couple of weeks watching the gorillas.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I look forward to Hay's take on this thread. It should be highly entertaining.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I look forward to Hay's take on this thread. It should be highly entertaining."

He'll be waiting on the daily heil's front page before he can have an opinion

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"I look forward to Hay's take on this thread. It should be highly entertaining."

I predict he will either.

A. Copy and paste a story from the Daily Express from 4 years ago.

B. Will claim this is good news (just as he did with the P&O mass redundancies)

C. Blame Remainers/EU/Labour

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"You seem to be a "remoaning blockhead" nobody is complaining about the choice to leave the EU we are complaining about how the French are causing unnecessary problems.

We as the public voted to join the EEC which was a commercial alliance, somebody, somewhere changed it to a Super-State which we did not vote to join.

If your so buried in your antagonism then bye all means emigrate to your lovely EU. Frankly with your attitude you won't be missed by the majority of the UK population.

PMSL, I think we have a full house in Brexit Bingo ."
nope not quite he hasnt mentioned the french not being that good at protecting theyre borders in 1940 for a full house

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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago

Longridge

Feel free to change as required:

I've started already...

We're all goin' on a summer holiday

No more workin' for a week or two

No fun and laughter on a summer holiday

No more ferries for me or you

For a week or two

We're goin' where the sun shines, brighton

We're goin' where the sea is blue

We've seen it in the movies

Now let's see if thers's queue

Every wee body has a summer holiday

Doin' things they always warned not to

So we're goin' on a summer holiday

To make our nightmares come true

For me and you

We're goin' where the sun shines brightly

We're goin' where the sea is blue

We've seen it in the news

So let's see if it's true

Everybody has a summer holiday

Doin' things they always wanted to

So we're goin' on a summer holiday

To make our dreams come true

For me and you

It's a week of queue

And a dream come true

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By *ayturners turn hayMan
over a year ago

Wellingborugh

It seems very odd that traffic flows through these ports easily most days and then some posters seem to take great delight at people suffering delays. Germany had a problem at an airport last week and on occasions companies have staffing issues .

We probably need to identify why six booth operators failed to turn up for work. ? The good news is that the system works well most days.

There were also delays on occasions pre Brexit

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"It seems very odd that traffic flows through these ports easily most days and then some posters seem to take great delight at people suffering delays. Germany had a problem at an airport last week and on occasions companies have staffing issues .

We probably need to identify why six booth operators failed to turn up for work. ? The good news is that the system works well most days.

There were also delays on occasions pre Brexit "

Woohoo!

Also, we don't take delight in people suffering, we voted against it. You claimed to have voted for it.

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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago

Longridge

Take absolutely no delight whatsoever, I too foresaw it and voted against it.

Commenting here's not going to change anything anyway!!

It's what it is..

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By *ayturners turn hayMan
over a year ago

Wellingborugh

We probably need to identify why six booth operators failed to turn up for work. ? The good news is that the system works well most days.

There were also delays on occasions pre Brexit

Woohoo!

Also, we don't take delight in people suffering, we voted against it. You claimed to have voted for it.

"
Six booth operators failing to turn up for work is hardly anything to do with a referendum . From a practical and common sense perspective, the French could have simply opened the gates, left them unmanned and let all the traffic through. This would have resolved the issue promptly . Staffing issues could be addressed after the event.

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By *heNerdyFembyWoman
over a year ago

Eastbourne (she/they)

We probably need to identify why six booth operators failed to turn up for work. ? The good news is that the system works well most days.

There were also delays on occasions pre Brexit

Woohoo!

Also, we don't take delight in people suffering, we voted against it. You claimed to have voted for it.

Six booth operators failing to turn up for work is hardly anything to do with a referendum . From a practical and common sense perspective, the French could have simply opened the gates, left them unmanned and let all the traffic through. This would have resolved the issue promptly . Staffing issues could be addressed after the event. "

But Hay, all 6 booths were operational... all day

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By *heNerdyFembyWoman
over a year ago

Eastbourne (she/they)

Food for Thought:

IF the French were responsible for yesterday's issue at the border, how does that stack up with the Brexit claim of "taking back control"?

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

We probably need to identify why six booth operators failed to turn up for work. ? The good news is that the system works well most days.

There were also delays on occasions pre Brexit

Woohoo!

Also, we don't take delight in people suffering, we voted against it. You claimed to have voted for it.

Wait a minute Hay are you saying the French should have an open border to a country that is not part of the EU? That they should not control their border? Or is that only the case when people are travelling into the UK? English exceptionalism at its very best!

I think brexiteers need to make their mind up!

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

We probably need to identify why six booth operators failed to turn up for work. ? The good news is that the system works well most days.

There were also delays on occasions pre Brexit

Woohoo!

Also, we don't take delight in people suffering, we voted against it. You claimed to have voted for it.

What? I thought one of the main drivers behind brexit was closing borders. Not opening them.

You need to get your parody posts in order.

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

We probably need to identify why six booth operators failed to turn up for work. ? The good news is that the system works well most days.

There were also delays on occasions pre Brexit

Woohoo!

Also, we don't take delight in people suffering, we voted against it. You claimed to have voted for it.

According to the BBC there was supposed to be 14 booths manned but for a long time but only 6 were actually manned hence the delays. Not sure if they are still squabbling over what caused the staff not to turn up on time but no one disputes that. Guy in charge of Dover was spitting feathers as he made sure his side was prepared. Problem they have now is that although when properly staffed the booths work well, there is a huge backlog affecting the weekend.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

if we had a government at the moment then they would be in a better position to sort out our border problems .... but we don't currently have a government. instead we a group of people acting like children having very public spat about who want's be incharge of a shambles, so there is no chance of them sorting out the border problems which they have caused.

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By *ayturners turn hayMan
over a year ago

Wellingborugh

We probably need to identify why six booth operators failed to turn up for work. ? The good news is that the system works well most days.

There were also delays on occasions pre Brexit

Woohoo!

Also, we don't take delight in people suffering, we voted against it. You claimed to have voted for it.

I think brexiteers need to make their mind up!"
. They are two completely different scenarios. Opening the booths was an action to alleviate a short term problem of staff failing to turn up. It has nothing to do with Englisg exceptionalism . The issue to be addressed is why staff failed to turn up.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

We probably need to identify why six booth operators failed to turn up for work. ? The good news is that the system works well most days.

There were also delays on occasions pre Brexit

Woohoo!

Also, we don't take delight in people suffering, we voted against it. You claimed to have voted for it.

as was previously debunked. the port of dover increased the number of booths to forteen. they then assumed they have the right to demand that the french stump up the extra cost of manning those booths. for decades the port managed with the same amount of staff carrying out checks with no problems, but now however, due to brexit there are more rigorous checks to be made which take far longer, and therein lies the problems caused by brexit. it's that simple

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

We probably need to identify why six booth operators failed to turn up for work. ? The good news is that the system works well most days.

There were also delays on occasions pre Brexit

Woohoo!

Also, we don't take delight in people suffering, we voted against it. You claimed to have voted for it.

Again what I have posted is what the BBC reported

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

We probably need to identify why six booth operators failed to turn up for work. ? The good news is that the system works well most days.

There were also delays on occasions pre Brexit

Woohoo!

Also, we don't take delight in people suffering, we voted against it. You claimed to have voted for it.

Again what I have posted is what the BBC reported"

again that was proven debunked earlier on in the thread

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This article is pretty telling ....

https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2022-07-20/port-of-dover-installs-more-border-control-booths-in-attempt-to-reduce-delays

It reads as though the deals were only just struck ... And booths only just installed ....

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"This article is pretty telling ....

https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2022-07-20/port-of-dover-installs-more-border-control-booths-in-attempt-to-reduce-delays

It reads as though the deals were only just struck ... And booths only just installed ....

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

it appears that the new and extended vetinary checks on the huge volume of pets crossing the frontier with their holidaying owners is causing a greater part of the delays.

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

What happened to the ‘oven ready deal’?

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By *ayturners turn hayMan
over a year ago

Wellingborugh

It seems obvious what has gone wrong . The article is self explanatory

Port of Dover officials could hardly believe their eyes when they saw the French border police staffing plans for the first weekend of British summer holidays.

“About 48 hours ago they dropped their resourcing plans for the weekend. And it's just completely and utterly inadequate,” a source says. “This is the first opportunity for everyone to get away since Covid. We've all been working collectively and collaboratively together.

“A significant amount of investment has been put in from our side. We put in all their IT and connectivity that they've requested in order to be able to facilitate all of this.

“And they just haven't turned up.”

The scenes in and around Dover on Friday were beyond the worst nightmare of port officials, and they did not pull any punches when blaming the Police Aux Frontieres (PAF) for a brutal start to the summer.

“Woefully inadequate French border resource ruins start to the summer getaway,” was how the port summed up the debacle.

Children were spotted running up and down the M20 as a six-hour queue quickly built up. Pets sweltered and the elderly complained of feeling carsick. Some people trapped in cars even stopped drinking water because they were desperate to go to the lavatory.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"What happened to the ‘oven ready deal’? "

Someone forgot to turn the oven on

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

"What happened to the ‘oven ready deal’?

Someone forgot to turn the oven on "

I’m starting to wonder if there ever was an oven.

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

"It seems obvious what has gone wrong . The article is self explanatory

Port of Dover officials could hardly believe their eyes when they saw the French border police staffing plans for the first weekend of British summer holidays.

“A significant amount of investment has been put in from our side. We put in all their IT and connectivity that they've requested in order to be able to facilitate all of this.

“And they just haven't turned up.”

“Woefully inadequate French border resource ruins start to the summer getaway,” was how the port summed up the debacle.

Meanwhile, all those responsible for this debacle ( on both sides) will jet off without any hassle to their villas .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can’t believe this is even on a “Swinging” site but get fed up with all those remoaners who constantly say we didn’t know what we voted for? Remoaners certainly didn’t know what they were voting for. Only reason I heard was free travel into the EU would stop. Well guess what it hasn’t. I have traveled a few times into Europe and guess what? No issues. The French couldn’t organise a piss up that’s why there borders are a mess. Nothing to do with Brexit but everything to do with piss poor organisation.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Can’t believe this is even on a “Swinging” site but get fed up with all those remoaners who constantly say we didn’t know what we voted for? Remoaners certainly didn’t know what they were voting for. Only reason I heard was free travel into the EU would stop. Well guess what it hasn’t. I have traveled a few times into Europe and guess what? No issues. The French couldn’t organise a piss up that’s why there borders are a mess. Nothing to do with Brexit but everything to do with piss poor organisation. "

I know this is a parody post. But some people are genuinely this confused about removing the freedom of movement between the UK and the EU. And some people genuinely don't understand any of the benefits we had as a member of the EU.

Your satire is closer to home than you might think.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It seems obvious what has gone wrong . The article is self explanatory

Port of Dover officials could hardly believe their eyes when they saw the French border police staffing plans for the first weekend of British summer holidays.

“A significant amount of investment has been put in from our side. We put in all their IT and connectivity that they've requested in order to be able to facilitate all of this.

“And they just haven't turned up.”

“Woefully inadequate French border resource ruins start to the summer getaway,” was how the port summed up the debacle.

The quote is confusing. Were they expecting nine or ten and a load didn't turn up. (Which aligns with the French claim of Chunnel issues)

Or was the resourcing plan four?

Also, were they fully manned on Friday ? The source talks about Thursday morning and evening.

And finally, did we used to have to need visas and financial checks ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Another Brexit bingo full house

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It seems obvious what has gone wrong . The article is self explanatory

Port of Dover officials could hardly believe their eyes when they saw the French border police staffing plans for the first weekend of British summer holidays.

“A significant amount of investment has been put in from our side. We put in all their IT and connectivity that they've requested in order to be able to facilitate all of this.

“And they just haven't turned up.”

“Woefully inadequate French border resource ruins start to the summer getaway,” was how the port summed up the debacle.

And half dozen French men not turning up for work (apparently ) causes all this

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

it's come to light that the conservative and unionist government rejected the planned £33m investment needed to upscale frontier booths back in the spring. this forced the port of dover to rush the construction of a few more booths in a desperate attempt to meet the 22nd july holidays. the attempt failed as it hasn't met the full costs of becoming operational in time. then as is standard the conservative and unionist government are left desperately attempting and failing to blame others for their gross ineptitude over the matter. they will probably try to blame french border police at dover for the desperate situation at UK airports later this afternoon.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Brexit, the slowly rotting corpse of a mangy pup sold as a championship winning animal festering in the corner..

Didn't even get past the first corner before it collapsed in abject failure and the owner still blames everyone else instead of accepting their own responsibility..

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

and as shambolic britain disappears round the u-bend, there is a government shaped hole filled with retarded far-righties engaged in squabbling, petty bickering and self-indulgent cults of personality.

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By *eachcplCouple
over a year ago

blackpool/preston/normandy france

As the politicians keep saying, 17 million people voted for Brexit. Now they are going to have to live with the consequences. The only reason to feel sorry is for those who voted to remain and are now being punished by the consequences.

What part of "you are not in the club anymore" do brexiteers not understand. You voted to leave so you no longer have the right to free movement within the EU. The French are quite within their rights to stop and check and search every person wanting to enter France from the UK because you are now not part of the EU. It doesn't matter how many border officials the French have working at Dover. It is their choice and decision and no amount of complaining and issuing useless statements by Liz Truss is going to change it. All she is doing is jumping on the bandwagon for her polictical campaign.

This is the reality of Brexit that you were lied to about by the brexiteers. Get used to it as France protects it's borders and residents

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By *uddy laneMan
over a year ago

dudley

"As the politicians keep saying, 17 million people voted for Brexit. Now they are going to have to live with the consequences. The only reason to feel sorry is for those who voted to remain and are now being punished by the consequences.

This is the reality of Brexit that you were lied to about by the brexiteers. Get used to it as France protects it's borders and residents "

People have not got a clue how parliamentary democracy works.

Suck it up and revile a system that has been created not for your benefit but for people who want authority and power.

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By *eachcplCouple
over a year ago

blackpool/preston/normandy france

A brexit created by politicians who started out being pro remain then suddenly changed sides because they thought it would get them more publicity.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

weak government along with brextremist ideology has lead to the country's ports being Doverwhelmed .... all of which was predicted but dismissed by lunatic leavers.

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

Tell that to Peel and ABP ports with all their empty customs check facilities costing hundreds of millions still standing empty due to lack of action or staff from our government .. Also why are we delaying for a third year the checks on imports? I’ll tell you . It’s because we couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery and they don’t have the staff and daren’t clog up trade anymore that’s it is already.

Why should the French spend more money on extra staff because of our stupidity? We wanted this and it was our choice so tough shit basically.

I voted for continued seamless travel through 27 countries as it was good for my business.

You voted to put up borders and checks . You have exactly what you voted for. So tell your fellow Brexiteers to stop complaining.

The rabid Brexiteer MP in Dover says they should create large lorry parks to stop the trucks going through the ports . She says they are hurting the economy and causing delays.

Absolute imbecile representing Dover. The trucks are the economy FFS .

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

"It seems obvious what has gone wrong . The article is self explanatory

Port of Dover officials could hardly believe their eyes when they saw the French border police staffing plans for the first weekend of British summer holidays.

“A significant amount of investment has been put in from our side. We put in all their IT and connectivity that they've requested in order to be able to facilitate all of this.

“And they just haven't turned up.”

“Woefully inadequate French border resource ruins start to the summer getaway,” was how the port summed up the debacle.

And half dozen French men not turning up for work (apparently ) causes all this

Very very special French people . They didn’t need Napoleon they just needed six border guys to have a lie in and the U.K. us fucked!!

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

The rabid Brexiteer MP in Dover says they should create large lorry parks to stop the trucks going through the ports . She says they are hurting the economy and causing delays.

Absolute imbecile representing Dover. The trucks are the economy FFS .

when the elphicke fail is so strong .... there is always double face palm

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

it's now apparent that despite fully staffed frontier booths, the queues and delays are no different to yesterday .... the port is still Doverwhelmed on account of the extra checks due to brexit.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
over a year ago

Gilfach

"Also why are we delaying for a third year the checks on imports? I’ll tell you . It’s because we couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery and they don’t have the staff and daren’t clog up trade anymore than it is already."

Or is it because the checks on imports would cost money and serve no purpose whatsoever.

Why would we bother to check imports from the EU?

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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago

Longridge

We probably need to identify why six booth operators failed to turn up for work. ? The good news is that the system works well most days.

There were also delays on occasions pre Brexit

Woohoo!

Also, we don't take delight in people suffering, we voted against it. You claimed to have voted for it.

I think brexiteers need to make their mind up!"

Why should they..

Just like Boris, they want their cake and eat it.. let them eat cake as this is how it's going to be from now on.

It's no different to the port checks of the 80s, France, like the UK has the right to protect and ensure its Borders are not being abused.

We withdrew from the Schengen Agreement by default. What else did people expect?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is the reality of Brexit that you were lied to about by the brexiteers. Get used to it as France protects it's borders and residents "

It was the FACT that France DID NOT protect its borders that we voted to leave. How come when you claim France have the right to protect but when Britain wants to protect them you remoaners want free open borders?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I see Hay didn't disappoint with his comedy stylings, as usual.

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By *ayturners turn hayMan
over a year ago

Wellingborugh

It looks like some posters on here might spend too much time on the internet and fail to see what is happening in the real world. Prior to Brexit you always had to show a passport, the only difference now is that a passport is stamped . Passports were always opened and checked. Stamping a passport is hardly going to cause extra delays.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It looks like some posters on here might spend too much time on the internet and fail to see what is happening in the real world. Prior to Brexit you always had to show a passport, the only difference now is that a passport is stamped . Passports were always opened and checked. Stamping a passport is hardly going to cause extra delays. "

Hello there, yes it does, it needs stamping and checking so people from the UK don’t stay for longer than they are now allowed to. Even if these checks only take an extra 30 seconds (it will probably take longer) 30secs x 10,000 (the number of people passing through Dover) is 300,000 seconds , 5000 mins, 83 hours

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

do you think the piss poor performance of airports, travel agents and airlines, changed peoples travel plans?

Are we seeing the same scenarios play out at the ports, over booked and not enough capacity?

Regardless of brexit, the guards would still have been needed to be in place, it is not just europeans crossing the channel..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is the reality of Brexit that you were lied to about by the brexiteers. Get used to it as France protects it's borders and residents

You are getting confused again, you voted to leave the EU, you voted for a hard border, France is enforcing this hard border and you are blaming the French, do you really know what you voted for

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Tell the people say in the queues that pat, pretty sure they'll agree and all their frustrations will vanish..

On the other hand tell some of the thousands of truck drivers that too, pretty sure they won't be as understanding..

Them who see the reality of the economic self harm that brexit is..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

This is the reality of Brexit that you were lied to about by the brexiteers. Get used to it as France protects it's borders and residents

You are getting confused again, you voted to leave the EU, you voted for a hard border, France is enforcing this hard border and you are blaming the French, do you really know what you voted for

But, but they need us more than we need them..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is the reality of Brexit that you were lied to about by the brexiteers. Get used to it as France protects it's borders and residents

You are getting confused again, you voted to leave the EU, you voted for a hard border, France is enforcing this hard border and you are blaming the French, do you really know what you voted for

But, but they need us more than we need them..

Ha, Yes of course, 6 French men have brought diver to a standstill, is this what control looks like

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

This is the reality of Brexit that you were lied to about by the brexiteers. Get used to it as France protects it's borders and residents

Lol. I very much enjoyed this.

I can't tell if you're taking the piss, of genuinely this confused.

Either way, I'd like to hear more from you.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

Tell the people say in the queues that pat, pretty sure they'll agree and all their frustrations will vanish..

On the other hand tell some of the thousands of truck drivers that too, pretty sure they won't be as understanding..

Them who see the reality of the economic self harm that brexit is.."

Isn't this related to one of the genuine brexit benefits though?

Increased business for sex workers in Kent with all the truck drivers waiting in the mega truck parks while they wait.

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By *ayturners turn hayMan
over a year ago

Wellingborugh

Tell the people say in the queues that pat, pretty sure they'll agree and all their frustrations will vanish..

On the other hand tell some of the thousands of truck drivers that too, pretty sure they won't be as understanding..

Them who see the reality of the economic self harm that brexit is.."
I think you will find that a lot of truck drivers ,especially those involved in international haulage are very patriotic. With years of experience behind then they will have experienced delays in the past and simply accepted that these things happen on occasion. The issue appears to be employees failing to turn up for work , not the actual stamping of passports.

The French authorities were aware quite some time ago of the estimated traffic flow. In thuis case it would have been good to put in place a contingency plan. The booths could simply been left open and traffic waved through unto the queue cleared.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Tell the people say in the queues that pat, pretty sure they'll agree and all their frustrations will vanish..

On the other hand tell some of the thousands of truck drivers that too, pretty sure they won't be as understanding..

Them who see the reality of the economic self harm that brexit is..

Isn't this related to one of the genuine brexit benefits though?

Increased business for sex workers in Kent with all the truck drivers waiting in the mega truck parks while they wait."

It's possible or it could be what was meant by the sunny uplands..

Maybe Boris forgot to say 'you might well be sat in your car/truck with plenty of time to view the sunny uplands'..

Another brexit conundrum..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Tell the people say in the queues that pat, pretty sure they'll agree and all their frustrations will vanish..

On the other hand tell some of the thousands of truck drivers that too, pretty sure they won't be as understanding..

Them who see the reality of the economic self harm that brexit is.. I think you will find that a lot of truck drivers ,especially those involved in international haulage are very patriotic. With years of experience behind then they will have experienced delays in the past and simply accepted that these things happen on occasion. The issue appears to be employees failing to turn up for work , not the actual stamping of passports.

Patriotism hasn't got anything to do with it, stop waffling..

It's a mess today as it was yesterday and the booths are fully staffed today, it's been pointed out to you already ..

It was entirely predictable and predicted but you and others chose to swallow the complete flim flam by the likes of Boris and farage rather than use logic..

Own it..

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

We probably need to identify why six booth operators failed to turn up for work. ? The good news is that the system works well most days.

There were also delays on occasions pre Brexit

Woohoo!

Also, we don't take delight in people suffering, we voted against it. You claimed to have voted for it.

I think brexiteers need to make their mind up!. They are two completely different scenarios. Opening the booths was an action to alleviate a short term problem of staff failing to turn up. It has nothing to do with Englisg exceptionalism . The issue to be addressed is why staff failed to turn up. "

So you advocate the UK doing the same thing? Opening up our border with no checks as a short term measure to alleviate long queues?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Or is it because the checks on imports would cost money and serve no purpose whatsoever.

Why would we bother to check imports from the EU?"
don't WTO rules mean you need to check all countries stuff equally... ?

Unless in a CU. But that sounds a bit BINO right ?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

In thuis case it would have been good to put in place a contingency plan. The booths could simply been left open and traffic waved through unto the queue cleared. "

This is the best ever thing you've ever written Pat..

It's so brilliant I can't think why other countries haven't ever done it..

Or banks, or shops lol..

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By *ayturners turn hayMan
over a year ago

Wellingborugh

Tell the people say in the queues that pat, pretty sure they'll agree and all their frustrations will vanish..

On the other hand tell some of the thousands of truck drivers that too, pretty sure they won't be as understanding..

Patriotism hasn't got anything to do with it, stop waffling..

It's a mess today as it was yesterday and the booths are fully staffed today, it's been pointed out to you already ..

It was entirely predictable and predicted but you and others chose to swallow the complete flim flam by the likes of Boris and farage rather than use logic..

Own it.."
Even if the booths are fully manned the backlog still has to be cleared. You hardly base your judgement on a situation based on what happened in one day.The authorities were aware of predicted traffic volumes in advance.

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By *ayturners turn hayMan
over a year ago

Wellingborugh

It looks like we have a solution.

Atamai has huge potential for all aspects of future border management. Including trade, seamless immigration/ passport control, customs facilitations and border security. Using state of the art technology. Watch this space!

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Tell the people say in the queues that pat, pretty sure they'll agree and all their frustrations will vanish..

On the other hand tell some of the thousands of truck drivers that too, pretty sure they won't be as understanding..

Patriotism hasn't got anything to do with it, stop waffling..

It's a mess today as it was yesterday and the booths are fully staffed today, it's been pointed out to you already ..

It was entirely predictable and predicted but you and others chose to swallow the complete flim flam by the likes of Boris and farage rather than use logic..

Own it.. Even if the booths are fully manned the backlog still has to be cleared. You hardly base your judgement on a situation based on what happened in one day.The authorities were aware of predicted traffic volumes in advance. "

Yes..

Tis the reality of brexit pat, masked by the pandemic but now in all its utter and complete twaddle of this country going backwards on a jingoistic act of self harm..

Surprised you haven't suggested people are not allowed to travel to Europe..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It looks like we have a solution.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"It looks like we have a solution.

Is spunking even more public money on pointless tech another brexit benefit?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"It looks like we have a solution.

Is spunking even more public money on pointless tech another brexit benefit?"

Call me an old dinosaur who is to tech what Boris is to honesty but such things surely could have been considered by those who sold this con as a means to facilitate ease of movement post brexit..

Or is that too simple ..

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"It looks like we have a solution.

Is spunking even more public money on pointless tech another brexit benefit?

Call me an old dinosaur who is to tech what Boris is to honesty but such things surely could have been considered by those who sold this con as a means to facilitate ease of movement post brexit..

Or is that too simple ..

I think probably those that sold the brexit con, don't give two shits about the mess left for the British public.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"It looks like we have a solution.

Is spunking even more public money on pointless tech another brexit benefit?

Call me an old dinosaur who is to tech what Boris is to honesty but such things surely could have been considered by those who sold this con as a means to facilitate ease of movement post brexit..

Or is that too simple ..

I think probably those that sold the brexit con, don't give two shits about the mess left for the British public.

There is that yes ..

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

Classic gaslighting. Nope not true. As part of the EU there was a fast track through both passport control and customs (remember the blue lane) with random checks but majority waved through.

Examining a passport (scanned into a computer using the machine readable strip to cross check against database for warning flags) and then stamping it takes significantly more time than waving through!

Stop being so disingenuous and stick to the satire Hay!

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By *ayturners turn hayMan
over a year ago

Wellingborugh

Classic gaslighting. Nope not true. As part of the EU there was a fast track through both passport control and customs (remember the blue lane) with random checks but majority waved through.

Stop being so disingenuous and stick to the satire Hay! "
. Surely you are just referring to the choice of lanes and the actually physical capacity of the lanes . I have travelled many times and never once have been just waved through. On every single occasion a passport was scanned and checked. Are you saying it was official policy to wave people through or were officials just taking the easy option ?

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By *heNerdyFembyWoman
over a year ago

Eastbourne (she/they)

Classic gaslighting. Nope not true. As part of the EU there was a fast track through both passport control and customs (remember the blue lane) with random checks but majority waved through.

Stop being so disingenuous and stick to the satire Hay! . Surely you are just referring to the choice of lanes and the actually physical capacity of the lanes . I have travelled many times and never once have been just waved through. On every single occasion a passport was scanned and checked. Are you saying it was official policy to wave people through or were officials just taking the easy option ? "

When i last went to France (pre-brexit) all we had to do was hold up the passports in our hand so they could see we each had one and we were waived through. we didnt even come to a complete stop.

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

We probably need to identify why six booth operators failed to turn up for work. ? The good news is that the system works well most days.

There were also delays on occasions pre Brexit

Woohoo!

Also, we don't take delight in people suffering, we voted against it. You claimed to have voted for it.

Again what I have posted is what the BBC reported

again that was proven debunked earlier on in the thread

Damm the BBC for telling lies. I should have known the only place for the true story was the fab forums

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To counter whatever bollocks Hay has likely now said:

Two years ago, our gov rejected a £33 million proposal for more passport booths at dover, leaving queues more likely. And this was for French gov passport checks at dover, dooming travellers to delays on the border post Brexit.

Anyway, back to Hay's madness.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"To counter whatever bollocks Hay has likely now said:

Anyway, back to Hay's madness."

He often copies and pastes from the Daily Express.

The DE have a poll going in which their readership are voting for something else, definitely not brexit, probably foreigners, are to blame. Maybe this will come up next from him.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

Classic gaslighting. Nope not true. As part of the EU there was a fast track through both passport control and customs (remember the blue lane) with random checks but majority waved through.

Nope. You are just completely wrong. Again!

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

We probably need to identify why six booth operators failed to turn up for work. ? The good news is that the system works well most days.

There were also delays on occasions pre Brexit

Woohoo!

Also, we don't take delight in people suffering, we voted against it. You claimed to have voted for it.

Again what I have posted is what the BBC reported

again that was proven debunked earlier on in the thread

Damm the BBC for telling lies. I should have known the only place for the true story was the fab forums"

or you could read the information provided on port of dover's own website instead

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By *ayturners turn hayMan
over a year ago

Wellingborugh

Classic gaslighting. Nope not true. As part of the EU there was a fast track through both passport control and customs (remember the blue lane) with random checks but majority waved through.

Nope. You are just completely wrong. Again!"
. Your reply is a little confusing . You appear to be saying that custom officials turned a blind eye to the rules in the past but will not do so now. In which case the problem s have little to do with passport checks which in any event were always required. The issue relates to staff failing to turn up for work and clearing the resultant backlog.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hay never disappoints. I look forward to when his routine makes it onto tv.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

things will be worse when the biometric checks start at the ports. getting every passenger out of a vehicle to use the biometric scanners will add significantly more time to the process than we are already seeing now that uk travellers no longer have the right to be waived across the border without having to stop.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Classic gaslighting. Nope not true. As part of the EU there was a fast track through both passport control and customs (remember the blue lane) with random checks but majority waved through.

Nope. You are just completely wrong. Again!. Your reply is a little confusing . You appear to be saying that custom officials turned a blind eye to the rules in the past but will not do so now. In which case the problem s have little to do with passport checks which in any event were always required. The issue relates to staff failing to turn up for work and clearing the resultant backlog. "

So 6 missing French border guards have caused all these problems? Brought Dover to a standstill, is that what taking back control of our borders looks like

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By *uddy laneMan
over a year ago

dudley

Classic gaslighting. Nope not true. As part of the EU there was a fast track through both passport control and customs (remember the blue lane) with random checks but majority waved through.

So 6 missing French border guards have caused all these problems? Brought Dover to a standstill, is that what taking back control of our borders looks like

By the government's own celebrated response to the people crossing the english channel is to process and accommodate rather than let them carry on with their journey to holyhead for people smugglers to send them on their way in an inflatable to their final destination of the isle of man or ireland.

a country that does not control it's borders is not a country in my estimation were the french allow such activities to happen the UK thankfully does not.

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

Port of Dovers own numbers.

Average time for a car to pass through usually waved through 30 seconds. . I can vouch for this with hundreds of transits under my belt.

Today to just stamp the passports average time one minute thirty seconds. 30 times as long.

Now with the agreement passenger cars should also have their reasons for travel, their destination , their financial status ie cash to pay for their stay and their return ticket plans all physically checked.

The French are presently doing us a favour but not imposing the full rules we signed up,for.

Dover would grind to a halt if they did.

Aren’t we lucky the French are so pragmatic over our stupidity. Liz truss spouting off about it’s all the fault of the French may persuade them to be more formal and stick to the new rules.

Go Liz. The further the better please.

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

Or is it because the checks on imports would cost money and serve no purpose whatsoever.

Why would we bother to check imports from the EU?"

You put some good arguments on here so I’m assuming this is sarcastic as you will obviously realise the damage to U.K. producers if we don’t.

Never mind the security problems we are risking.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

when the EES is rolled out and the visa system starts then less people will have the right to travel so the queues will be shorter. especially when right to refuse those with a criminal record starts to be enforced.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The French have always been troublesome with the border long before Brexit. Some people need to learn to move on.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"The French have always been troublesome with the border long before Brexit. Some people need to learn to move on."

The French should move on from their own boarder?!?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The French should move on from their own boarder?!?"

No, move from blaming every little thing on Brexit. This is a little thing, unless of course a person plans to travel to France by car on the Ferries.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"The French should move on from their own boarder?!?

No, move from blaming every little thing on Brexit. This is a little thing, unless of course a person plans to travel to France by car on the Ferries."

Oh I see.

Brexit has contributed to making these people's holiday a misery.

Far from the biggest problem caused by brexit. But it's in the news right now, so people will talk about it.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
over a year ago

Gilfach

"Why would we bother to check imports from the EU?"

"I’m assuming this is sarcastic as you will obviously realise the damage to U.K. producers if we don’t.

Never mind the security problems we are risking."

No sarcasm here, it's a genuine question.

We already have the required customs declaration framework in place, so we can control what comes in. The main thing that's missing is the safety, security, and health check paperwork. We were also intending to introduce Sanitary and Phytosanitary checks, along with some restrictions / quotas on chilled meat.

The EU is a heavily regulated trading block, with standards that are broadly in line with ours. We can trust that anything reaching our shores from the EU meets those standards.

What benefit do we gain from checking all that extra paperwork, SPS checks, and restricting chilled meat imports?

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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Why would we bother to check imports from the EU?

I’m assuming this is sarcastic as you will obviously realise the damage to U.K. producers if we don’t.

Never mind the security problems we are risking.

No sarcasm here, it's a genuine question.

The EU is a heavily regulated trading block, with standards that are broadly in line with ours. We can trust that anything reaching our shores from the EU meets those standards.

What benefit do we gain from checking all that extra paperwork, SPS checks, and restricting chilled meat imports?"

Smuggling is the risk.

A border that is not enforced benefits smugglers and it would not take long for fraudsters to start dumping sub-standard, re-branded or just rubbish produce into the U.K.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It was once easy to travel to france, now it isn’t.

Let’s accept it’s just the way things are and the door swings both ways.

This constant cakeism that some people have is trully remarkable. You’d expect one we left we will enjoy the same relationship? Have any of you been through a divorce?

So change our habits, plan extra time to travel, read guidance and rules, and hopefully people will be better prepared when going to the continent.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

Classic gaslighting. Nope not true. As part of the EU there was a fast track through both passport control and customs (remember the blue lane) with random checks but majority waved through.

Nothing confusing in my reply at all. If that was an attempt at patronising it failed. Customs and Passport Control are two different things as you know.

I am sure we are all frequent travellers. Some of us for business as well as pleasure. Passport checks when travelling into EU countries when the UK was in the EU were minimal and quick. Often random checks but often waved through with a simple hold up the passport as you walk past. Saying otherwise is patently untrue and is classic gaslighting.

Increased time for passport checks on entering the EU going forward IS a direct result of Brexit. That is inarguable. You get what you voted for. Welcome to third country status.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Classic gaslighting. Nope not true. As part of the EU there was a fast track through both passport control and customs (remember the blue lane) with random checks but majority waved through.

Nothing confusing in my reply at all. If that was an attempt at patronising it failed. Customs and Passport Control are two different things as you know.

Increased time for passport checks on entering the EU going forward IS a direct result of Brexit. That is inarguable. You get what you voted for. Welcome to third country status."

All that is very true. Its not helped by a vast reduction of ferry routes to the continent, which has now made Dover a bottleneck.

I did notice that the E-passport gates were still available to UK citizens when I transited through Amsterdam last month.

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By *idnight RamblerMan
over a year ago

Pershore

Since France benefits immensely from tourism, wouldn't an investment in some plywood passport booths make sense? But this is the EU I guess.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"Since France benefits immensely from tourism, wouldn't an investment in some plywood passport booths make sense? But this is the EU I guess."

Or we could scrap the 2003 agreement, and push the French border back into mainland France.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
over a year ago

Gilfach

"Passport checks when travelling into EU countries when the UK was in the EU were minimal and quick. Often random checks but often waved through with a simple hold up the passport as you walk past. Saying otherwise is patently untrue and is classic gaslighting."

Can I suggest that it might just be different experiences. I used to travel to Germany a lot, always by plane. Every time I had to queue up and present my passport for a full inspection, as did the German citizens I was travelling with.

Where was it that you just held up your passport as you walked through?

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By *ayturners turn hayMan
over a year ago

Wellingborugh

Classic gaslighting. Nope not true. As part of the EU there was a fast track through both passport control and customs (remember the blue lane) with random checks but majority waved through.

Nothing confusing in my reply at all. If that was an attempt at patronising it failed. Customs and Passport Control are two different things as you know.

Increased time for passport checks on entering the EU going forward IS a direct result of Brexit. That is inarguable. You get what you voted for. Welcome to third country status."
. However you have not really addressed the key issue. When people were waved through was this official policy or were officials trying to make their job easier ? . If waving through happened in the past and was acceptable which you appear to implying , there is no reason why it cannot happen now.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Classic gaslighting. Nope not true. As part of the EU there was a fast track through both passport control and customs (remember the blue lane) with random checks but majority waved through.

Nothing confusing in my reply at all. If that was an attempt at patronising it failed. Customs and Passport Control are two different things as you know.

Increased time for passport checks on entering the EU going forward IS a direct result of Brexit. That is inarguable. You get what you voted for. Welcome to third country status.. However you have not really addressed the key issue. When people were waved through was this official policy or were officials trying to make their job easier ? . If waving through happened in the past and was acceptable which you appear to implying , there is no reason why it cannot happen now. "

Except you now need a passport stamp. Which is somewhat baffling in this digital age.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The French have always been troublesome with the border long before Brexit. Some people need to learn to move on."

Unfortunately they can’t, they can’t move anywhere because they are stuck in a 6 hour queue. Admittedly this isn’t the end of the world, but these ‘little things’ keep adding up, roaming charges, weak pound to euro, long queues at pass port control etc, it wouldn’t be too bad if they were offset by any Brexit benefits

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

Classic gaslighting. Nope not true. As part of the EU there was a fast track through both passport control and customs (remember the blue lane) with random checks but majority waved through.

Nothing confusing in my reply at all. If that was an attempt at patronising it failed. Customs and Passport Control are two different things as you know.

You understand that we've left the EU right? So we're no longer able to avail of the same freedom of movement we once had. We're now entering the EU, from a non-EU country.

This is literally what it means to leave the EU. IE, we are no longer a member.

Sheesh!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Classic gaslighting. Nope not true. As part of the EU there was a fast track through both passport control and customs (remember the blue lane) with random checks but majority waved through.

Nothing confusing in my reply at all. If that was an attempt at patronising it failed. Customs and Passport Control are two different things as you know.

Well give our new status time to sink in, then it might, but we need to be nice to our neighbours before that happens, and not act like child throwing their toys out of the pram.

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