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"Place your vote for who will lose in the bid for the next PM! A - Rishi Sunak B - Lizz Truss c - Everyone Else" A & C  | |||
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"All the stuffy old tory men are going to go for the Maggie thatcher wannabe… God help the uk economic plan because the magic money tree is going to get one hell of a shake!!! " I think she would want the full on iron lady legacy. I dread to think what she will say or do to light the touch paper, but she will. | |||
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"If Labour can't beat Liz Truss in an election they may as well disband With Starmer I think they may struggle, though. " Tories feel that a woman tory PM will reverse their fortunes, take them back to the future. Ain’t going to happen. | |||
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"If Labour can't beat Liz Truss in an election they may as well disband With Starmer I think they may struggle, though. " The list of Tory PM's that Labour have failed to beat seems to continually grow. I suspect SKS might just end the drought. If he turns out any good or not remains to be seen | |||
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"If Labour can't beat Liz Truss in an election they may as well disband With Starmer I think they may struggle, though. The list of Tory PM's that Labour have failed to beat seems to continually grow. I suspect SKS might just end the drought. If he turns out any good or not remains to be seen" Well it would help labours chances if they don't deliberately sabotage their own chances like they did last time. | |||
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"Place your vote for who will lose in the bid for the next PM! A - Rishi Sunak B - Lizz Truss c - Everyone Else" The old the weak the disenfranchised the poor the disabled our children our grandchildren | |||
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"Place your vote for who will lose in the bid for the next PM! A - Rishi Sunak B - Lizz Truss c - Everyone Else" . My guess is that everyone is a winner. Liz Truss for PM and Rushi will be awarded a senior position. The electorate will be more than happy . The Conservatives still have a 77 seat majority. They are more popular than any other party and just need to hold on to this lead. Even the housebound and disabled are well looked after. There are currently in excess of half a million cars on the mobility scheme . Social care is also there where it is needed. The result is great news for everyone including Boris. The demand for his talent in after dinner speaches will be un stoppable. I cannot see him having two many regrets about having to resign it is simply onwards and upwards to bigger and better things. We have four winners and no losers. | |||
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"All the stuffy old tory men are going to go for the Maggie thatcher wannabe… God help the uk economic plan because the magic money tree is going to get one hell of a shake!!! " I think this plus I'm not sure they are ready to accept someone of Sunaks heritage.. | |||
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"Place your vote for who will lose in the bid for the next PM! A - Rishi Sunak B - Lizz Truss c - Everyone Else The old the weak the disenfranchised the poor the disabled our children our grandchildren " Nailed it. | |||
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"Place your vote for who will lose in the bid for the next PM! A - Rishi Sunak B - Lizz Truss c - Everyone Else. My guess is that everyone is a winner. Liz Truss for PM and Rushi will be awarded a senior position. The electorate will be more than happy . The Conservatives still have a 77 seat majority. They are more popular than any other party and just need to hold on to this lead. Even the housebound and disabled are well looked after. There are currently in excess of half a million cars on the mobility scheme . Social care is also there where it is needed. The result is great news for everyone including Boris. The demand for his talent in after dinner speaches will be un stoppable. I cannot see him having two many regrets about having to resign it is simply onwards and upwards to bigger and better things. We have four winners and no losers. " I've never seen so much utter contempt for the "electorate" in one post. | |||
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"Place your vote for who will lose in the bid for the next PM! A - Rishi Sunak B - Lizz Truss c - Everyone Else. My guess is that everyone is a winner. Liz Truss for PM and Rushi will be awarded a senior position. The electorate will be more than happy . The Conservatives still have a 77 seat majority. They are more popular than any other party and just need to hold on to this lead. Even the housebound and disabled are well looked after. There are currently in excess of half a million cars on the mobility scheme . Social care is also there where it is needed. The result is great news for everyone including Boris. The demand for his talent in after dinner speaches will be un stoppable. I cannot see him having two many regrets about having to resign it is simply onwards and upwards to bigger and better things. We have four winners and no losers. I've never seen so much utter contempt for the "electorate" in one post. "  | |||
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"Place your vote for who will lose in the bid for the next PM! A - Rishi Sunak B - Lizz Truss c - Everyone Else. My guess is that everyone is a winner. Liz Truss for PM and Rushi will be awarded a senior position. The electorate will be more than happy . The Conservatives still have a 77 seat majority. They are more popular than any other party and just need to hold on to this lead. Even the housebound and disabled are well looked after. There are currently in excess of half a million cars on the mobility scheme . Social care is also there where it is needed. The result is great news for everyone including Boris. The demand for his talent in after dinner speaches will be un stoppable. I cannot see him having two many regrets about having to resign it is simply onwards and upwards to bigger and better things. We have four winners and no losers. I've never seen so much utter contempt for the "electorate" in one post. " More delusional than boriski..  | |||
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"Place your vote for who will lose in the bid for the next PM! A - Rishi Sunak B - Lizz Truss c - Everyone Else. My guess is that everyone is a winner. Liz Truss for PM and Rushi will be awarded a senior position. The electorate will be more than happy . The Conservatives still have a 77 seat majority. They are more popular than any other party and just need to hold on to this lead. Even the housebound and disabled are well looked after. There are currently in excess of half a million cars on the mobility scheme . Social care is also there where it is needed. The result is great news for everyone including Boris. The demand for his talent in after dinner speaches will be un stoppable. I cannot see him having two many regrets about having to resign it is simply onwards and upwards to bigger and better things. We have four winners and no losers. " They have a 71 seat working majority You called Sunak a snake last week Boris didn’t want to leave, he was sacked by his own party Is after party speaking ‘bigger and better’ than being PM?  | |||
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"You know how a few months ago everyone was believing everything that bloke Dom Cummings was saying about the parties etc etc… Well he’s now saying Boris will make a comeback and there will be another leadership challenge before 2024 So it must be true, yes? "It's definitely not below the Tories to vote for him again. They know their media influence and billionaire/corporate funding will get them reelected no matter what. | |||
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"I wanted Kemi Badenoch but ain’t gonna happen.Think Sunak will win" I wanted Kemi as well, I think her time will come for sure. | |||
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"I wanted Kemi Badenoch but ain’t gonna happen.Think Sunak will win I wanted Kemi as well, I think her time will come for sure." Blimey. What do you like about her? | |||
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"The amount of people who wanted Kemi Badenoch is genuinely quite concerning, she was the most authoritarian right wing chasing fascism candidate in the race. She got the Britain First endorsement for crying out loud." I don’t believe her to be a fascist but of course you are entitled to your view. I know I’m not a fascist. | |||
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"I wanted Kemi Badenoch but ain’t gonna happen.Think Sunak will win I wanted Kemi as well, I think her time will come for sure. Blimey. What do you like about her? " Does it matter why we like her, you guys have expressed views on the leadership race, I’m not going to question you on it. | |||
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"The amount of people who wanted Kemi Badenoch is genuinely quite concerning, she was the most authoritarian right wing chasing fascism candidate in the race. She got the Britain First endorsement for crying out loud. I don’t believe her to be a fascist but of course you are entitled to your view. I know I’m not a fascist." I didn't say she was a fascist either... She did have the fascist support though (not you) | |||
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"The amount of people who wanted Kemi Badenoch is genuinely quite concerning, she was the most authoritarian right wing chasing fascism candidate in the race. She got the Britain First endorsement for crying out loud. I don’t believe her to be a fascist but of course you are entitled to your view. I know I’m not a fascist. I didn't say she was a fascist either... She did have the fascist support though (not you)" My apologies, as for Britain Firsts’ endorsement, I can’t comment as I’ve not seen a statement from them regarding Kemi. There are occasions where endorsements are unhelpful but I’m sure that the candidates put in that position can March ahead without it dragging them back. | |||
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"The amount of people who wanted Kemi Badenoch is genuinely quite concerning, she was the most authoritarian right wing chasing fascism candidate in the race. She got the Britain First endorsement for crying out loud. I don’t believe her to be a fascist but of course you are entitled to your view. I know I’m not a fascist. I didn't say she was a fascist either... She did have the fascist support though (not you) My apologies, as for Britain Firsts’ endorsement, I can’t comment as I’ve not seen a statement from them regarding Kemi. There are occasions where endorsements are unhelpful but I’m sure that the candidates put in that position can March ahead without it dragging them back." They definitely endorsed her , you can see why | |||
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"The amount of people who wanted Kemi Badenoch is genuinely quite concerning, she was the most authoritarian right wing chasing fascism candidate in the race. She got the Britain First endorsement for crying out loud. I don’t believe her to be a fascist but of course you are entitled to your view. I know I’m not a fascist. I didn't say she was a fascist either... She did have the fascist support though (not you) My apologies, as for Britain Firsts’ endorsement, I can’t comment as I’ve not seen a statement from them regarding Kemi. There are occasions where endorsements are unhelpful but I’m sure that the candidates put in that position can March ahead without it dragging them back. They definitely endorsed her , you can see why " Did they release a statement to explain their endorsement? Only I’m intrigued to see what appealed. | |||
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"The amount of people who wanted Kemi Badenoch is genuinely quite concerning, she was the most authoritarian right wing chasing fascism candidate in the race. She got the Britain First endorsement for crying out loud. I don’t believe her to be a fascist but of course you are entitled to your view. I know I’m not a fascist. I didn't say she was a fascist either... She did have the fascist support though (not you) My apologies, as for Britain Firsts’ endorsement, I can’t comment as I’ve not seen a statement from them regarding Kemi. There are occasions where endorsements are unhelpful but I’m sure that the candidates put in that position can March ahead without it dragging them back. They definitely endorsed her , you can see why Did they release a statement to explain their endorsement? Only I’m intrigued to see what appealed. " If you Google Britain’s first and her name | |||
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"The amount of people who wanted Kemi Badenoch is genuinely quite concerning, she was the most authoritarian right wing chasing fascism candidate in the race. She got the Britain First endorsement for crying out loud. I don’t believe her to be a fascist but of course you are entitled to your view. I know I’m not a fascist. I didn't say she was a fascist either... She did have the fascist support though (not you) My apologies, as for Britain Firsts’ endorsement, I can’t comment as I’ve not seen a statement from them regarding Kemi. There are occasions where endorsements are unhelpful but I’m sure that the candidates put in that position can March ahead without it dragging them back. They definitely endorsed her , you can see why Did they release a statement to explain their endorsement? Only I’m intrigued to see what appealed. If you Google Britain’s first and her name "Will check now, thank you | |||
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"The amount of people who wanted Kemi Badenoch is genuinely quite concerning, she was the most authoritarian right wing chasing fascism candidate in the race. She got the Britain First endorsement for crying out loud." . Maybe people simply respect her because of her hard work and being a mother of three children as well as being an MP. In addition she worked in MacDonslds to fund her education so she will know what hard graft is . She is prepared to stand up to the woke brigade and for family values. That is what people want and why we endorse her . The UK is a right wing country and we need right wing candidates. We cannot br dictated too by a vocal minority. It was disappointing to see her knocked out. It is unlucky that there are two exceptional candidates representing the voice of the right and it was inevitable that only one would make it to the final round. No doubt Liz Truss will award her with a senior cabinet position. | |||
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"The amount of people who wanted Kemi Badenoch is genuinely quite concerning, she was the most authoritarian right wing chasing fascism candidate in the race. She got the Britain First endorsement for crying out loud.. Maybe people simply respect her because of her hard work and being a mother of three children as well as being an MP. In addition she worked in MacDonslds to fund her education so she will know what hard graft is . She is prepared to stand up to the woke brigade and for family values. That is what people want and why we endorse her . The UK is a right wing country and we need right wing candidates. We cannot br dictated too by a vocal minority. It was disappointing to see her knocked out. It is unlucky that there are two exceptional candidates representing the voice of the right and it was inevitable that only one would make it to the final round. No doubt Liz Truss will award her with a senior cabinet position. " They all stabbed Boris in the back, good to see | |||
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"The amount of people who wanted Kemi Badenoch is genuinely quite concerning, she was the most authoritarian right wing chasing fascism candidate in the race. She got the Britain First endorsement for crying out loud. I don’t believe her to be a fascist but of course you are entitled to your view. I know I’m not a fascist. I didn't say she was a fascist either... She did have the fascist support though (not you) My apologies, as for Britain Firsts’ endorsement, I can’t comment as I’ve not seen a statement from them regarding Kemi. There are occasions where endorsements are unhelpful but I’m sure that the candidates put in that position can March ahead without it dragging them back. They definitely endorsed her , you can see why Did they release a statement to explain their endorsement? Only I’m intrigued to see what appealed. If you Google Britain’s first and her name
Will check now, thank you "The suggestion is they went for her because she is “anti-woke” and the others were “liberal, politically correct remainer candidates”. The terminology is harsh and wide of the mark but I can’t see a great deal wrong in their view. I will say Kemi would not have satisfied them as their brand of politics is far off the mainstream reservation, thankfully. | |||
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"The amount of people who wanted Kemi Badenoch is genuinely quite concerning, she was the most authoritarian right wing chasing fascism candidate in the race. She got the Britain First endorsement for crying out loud. I don’t believe her to be a fascist but of course you are entitled to your view. I know I’m not a fascist. I didn't say she was a fascist either... She did have the fascist support though (not you) My apologies, as for Britain Firsts’ endorsement, I can’t comment as I’ve not seen a statement from them regarding Kemi. There are occasions where endorsements are unhelpful but I’m sure that the candidates put in that position can March ahead without it dragging them back. They definitely endorsed her , you can see why Did they release a statement to explain their endorsement? Only I’m intrigued to see what appealed. If you Google Britain’s first and her name
Will check now, thank you
The suggestion is they went for her because she is “anti-woke” and the others were “liberal, politically correct remainer candidates”. The terminology is harsh and wide of the mark but I can’t see a great deal wrong in their view. I will say Kemi would not have satisfied them as their brand of politics is far off the mainstream reservation, thankfully."Possibly, they did endorse her though, | |||
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"The amount of people who wanted Kemi Badenoch is genuinely quite concerning, she was the most authoritarian right wing chasing fascism candidate in the race. She got the Britain First endorsement for crying out loud.. Maybe people simply respect her because of her hard work and being a mother of three children as well as being an MP. In addition she worked in MacDonslds to fund her education so she will know what hard graft is . She is prepared to stand up to the woke brigade and for family values. That is what people want and why we endorse her . The UK is a right wing country and we need right wing candidates. We cannot br dictated too by a vocal minority. It was disappointing to see her knocked out. It is unlucky that there are two exceptional candidates representing the voice of the right and it was inevitable that only one would make it to the final round. No doubt Liz Truss will award her with a senior cabinet position. " I have discovered if I read Hays posts in the voice of Alan Rickman as Alan Bastard things make a lot more sense, well not sense but something... | |||
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"The amount of people who wanted Kemi Badenoch is genuinely quite concerning, she was the most authoritarian right wing chasing fascism candidate in the race. She got the Britain First endorsement for crying out loud.. Maybe people simply respect her because of her hard work and being a mother of three children as well as being an MP. In addition she worked in MacDonslds to fund her education so she will know what hard graft is . She is prepared to stand up to the woke brigade and for family values. That is what people want and why we endorse her . The UK is a right wing country and we need right wing candidates. We cannot br dictated too by a vocal minority. It was disappointing to see her knocked out. It is unlucky that there are two exceptional candidates representing the voice of the right and it was inevitable that only one would make it to the final round. No doubt Liz Truss will award her with a senior cabinet position. " I don’t think we are a right wing country, socially conservative (small c)possibly, but with a near split of conservatism and social democracy, with a healthy dose of libertarianism I hope. | |||
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"The amount of people who wanted Kemi Badenoch is genuinely quite concerning, she was the most authoritarian right wing chasing fascism candidate in the race. She got the Britain First endorsement for crying out loud. I don’t believe her to be a fascist but of course you are entitled to your view. I know I’m not a fascist. I didn't say she was a fascist either... She did have the fascist support though (not you) My apologies, as for Britain Firsts’ endorsement, I can’t comment as I’ve not seen a statement from them regarding Kemi. There are occasions where endorsements are unhelpful but I’m sure that the candidates put in that position can March ahead without it dragging them back. They definitely endorsed her , you can see why Did they release a statement to explain their endorsement? Only I’m intrigued to see what appealed. If you Google Britain’s first and her name
Will check now, thank you
The suggestion is they went for her because she is “anti-woke” and the others were “liberal, politically correct remainer candidates”. The terminology is harsh and wide of the mark but I can’t see a great deal wrong in their view. I will say Kemi would not have satisfied them as their brand of politics is far off the mainstream reservation, thankfully."You do know that the bulk of the Britain First membership are literally also members of the conservative party right? Their not different separate parties. | |||
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"The amount of people who wanted Kemi Badenoch is genuinely quite concerning, she was the most authoritarian right wing chasing fascism candidate in the race. She got the Britain First endorsement for crying out loud. I don’t believe her to be a fascist but of course you are entitled to your view. I know I’m not a fascist. I didn't say she was a fascist either... She did have the fascist support though (not you) My apologies, as for Britain Firsts’ endorsement, I can’t comment as I’ve not seen a statement from them regarding Kemi. There are occasions where endorsements are unhelpful but I’m sure that the candidates put in that position can March ahead without it dragging them back. They definitely endorsed her , you can see why Did they release a statement to explain their endorsement? Only I’m intrigued to see what appealed. If you Google Britain’s first and her name
Will check now, thank you
The suggestion is they went for her because she is “anti-woke” and the others were “liberal, politically correct remainer candidates”. The terminology is harsh and wide of the mark but I can’t see a great deal wrong in their view. I will say Kemi would not have satisfied them as their brand of politics is far off the mainstream reservation, thankfully.
Possibly, they did endorse her though, "Yes, agreed, they endorsed her no doubt but she could do very little about that other than maybe come out and disavow them (I think Trump had to do something like that when the blasted KKK endorsed him). | |||
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"The amount of people who wanted Kemi Badenoch is genuinely quite concerning, she was the most authoritarian right wing chasing fascism candidate in the race. She got the Britain First endorsement for crying out loud. I don’t believe her to be a fascist but of course you are entitled to your view. I know I’m not a fascist. I didn't say she was a fascist either... She did have the fascist support though (not you) My apologies, as for Britain Firsts’ endorsement, I can’t comment as I’ve not seen a statement from them regarding Kemi. There are occasions where endorsements are unhelpful but I’m sure that the candidates put in that position can March ahead without it dragging them back. They definitely endorsed her , you can see why Did they release a statement to explain their endorsement? Only I’m intrigued to see what appealed. If you Google Britain’s first and her name
Will check now, thank you
The suggestion is they went for her because she is “anti-woke” and the others were “liberal, politically correct remainer candidates”. The terminology is harsh and wide of the mark but I can’t see a great deal wrong in their view. I will say Kemi would not have satisfied them as their brand of politics is far off the mainstream reservation, thankfully.
You do know that the bulk of the Britain First membership are literally also members of the conservative party right?
Their not different separate parties."I’m willing to concede that is a possibility but their fascistic take on things doesn’t affect policy or at least I’m not seeing the party move in that direction. Even people from Britain First are going to have some views that align with the mainstream. They may have 5 views we would all shrink from but may have one or two other views that chime with the mainstream. | |||
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"The amount of people who wanted Kemi Badenoch is genuinely quite concerning, she was the most authoritarian right wing chasing fascism candidate in the race. She got the Britain First endorsement for crying out loud. I don’t believe her to be a fascist but of course you are entitled to your view. I know I’m not a fascist. I didn't say she was a fascist either... She did have the fascist support though (not you) My apologies, as for Britain Firsts’ endorsement, I can’t comment as I’ve not seen a statement from them regarding Kemi. There are occasions where endorsements are unhelpful but I’m sure that the candidates put in that position can March ahead without it dragging them back. They definitely endorsed her , you can see why Did they release a statement to explain their endorsement? Only I’m intrigued to see what appealed. If you Google Britain’s first and her name
Will check now, thank you
The suggestion is they went for her because she is “anti-woke” and the others were “liberal, politically correct remainer candidates”. The terminology is harsh and wide of the mark but I can’t see a great deal wrong in their view. I will say Kemi would not have satisfied them as their brand of politics is far off the mainstream reservation, thankfully.
Possibly, they did endorse her though,
Yes, agreed, they endorsed her no doubt but she could do very little about that other than maybe come out and disavow them (I think Trump had to do something like that when the blasted KKK endorsed him)."She had her chance, as far as I know she didn’t disown them. | |||
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"I wanted Kemi Badenoch but ain’t gonna happen.Think Sunak will win I wanted Kemi as well, I think her time will come for sure." All the charm of a rotting teddy bear by a child's grave | |||
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"(transcribed from a series of tweets) - @iamragesparkle I was at a shitty crustpunk bar once getting an after-work beer. One of those shitholes where the bartenders clearly hate you. So the bartender and I were ignoring one another when someone sits next to me and he immediately says, "no. get out." And the dude next to me says, "hey i'm not doing anything, i'm a paying customer." and the bartender reaches under the counter for a bat or something and says, "out. now." and the dude leaves, kind of yelling. And he was dressed in a punk uniform, I noticed Anyway, I asked what that was about and the bartender was like, "you didn't see his vest but it was all nazi shit. Iron crosses and stuff. You get to recognize them." And i was like, ohok and he continues. "you have to nip it in the bud immediately. These guys come in and it's always a nice, polite one. And you serve them because you don't want to cause a scene. And then they become a regular and after awhile they bring a friend. And that dude is cool too. And then THEY bring friends and the friends bring friends and they stop being cool and then you realize, oh shit, this is a Nazi bar now. And it's too late because they're entrenched and if you try to kick them out, they cause a PROBLEM. So you have to shut them down. And i was like, 'oh damn.' and he said "yeah, you have to ignore their reasonable arguments because their end goal is to be terrible, awful people." And then he went back to ignoring me. But I haven't forgotten that at all. The bar is the Tory party, Britain First are the Facsists..." I get the analogy but I can’t see any mainstream party being hijacked. Conservative, Labour, Lib Dems would all manage to keep any extreme element lurching their party to either the far right or far left. The British public have no appetite for extreme politics. I get your point but I have in all 3 of the main parties protecting their brand. | |||
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"(transcribed from a series of tweets) - @iamragesparkle I was at a shitty crustpunk bar once getting an after-work beer. One of those shitholes where the bartenders clearly hate you. So the bartender and I were ignoring one another when someone sits next to me and he immediately says, "no. get out." And the dude next to me says, "hey i'm not doing anything, i'm a paying customer." and the bartender reaches under the counter for a bat or something and says, "out. now." and the dude leaves, kind of yelling. And he was dressed in a punk uniform, I noticed Anyway, I asked what that was about and the bartender was like, "you didn't see his vest but it was all nazi shit. Iron crosses and stuff. You get to recognize them." And i was like, ohok and he continues. "you have to nip it in the bud immediately. These guys come in and it's always a nice, polite one. And you serve them because you don't want to cause a scene. And then they become a regular and after awhile they bring a friend. And that dude is cool too. And then THEY bring friends and the friends bring friends and they stop being cool and then you realize, oh shit, this is a Nazi bar now. And it's too late because they're entrenched and if you try to kick them out, they cause a PROBLEM. So you have to shut them down. And i was like, 'oh damn.' and he said "yeah, you have to ignore their reasonable arguments because their end goal is to be terrible, awful people." And then he went back to ignoring me. But I haven't forgotten that at all. The bar is the Tory party, Britain First are the Facsists... I get the analogy but I can’t see any mainstream party being hijacked. Conservative, Labour, Lib Dems would all manage to keep any extreme element lurching their party to either the far right or far left. The British public have no appetite for extreme politics. I get your point but I have in all 3 of the main parties protecting their brand." I mean I could say you just haven't seen it. But for the sake of argument lets say they haven't. Like the analogy states it starts of with nice, polite ones. | |||
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"(transcribed from a series of tweets) - @iamragesparkle I was at a shitty crustpunk bar once getting an after-work beer. One of those shitholes where the bartenders clearly hate you. So the bartender and I were ignoring one another when someone sits next to me and he immediately says, "no. get out." And the dude next to me says, "hey i'm not doing anything, i'm a paying customer." and the bartender reaches under the counter for a bat or something and says, "out. now." and the dude leaves, kind of yelling. And he was dressed in a punk uniform, I noticed Anyway, I asked what that was about and the bartender was like, "you didn't see his vest but it was all nazi shit. Iron crosses and stuff. You get to recognize them." And i was like, ohok and he continues. "you have to nip it in the bud immediately. These guys come in and it's always a nice, polite one. And you serve them because you don't want to cause a scene. And then they become a regular and after awhile they bring a friend. And that dude is cool too. And then THEY bring friends and the friends bring friends and they stop being cool and then you realize, oh shit, this is a Nazi bar now. And it's too late because they're entrenched and if you try to kick them out, they cause a PROBLEM. So you have to shut them down. And i was like, 'oh damn.' and he said "yeah, you have to ignore their reasonable arguments because their end goal is to be terrible, awful people." And then he went back to ignoring me. But I haven't forgotten that at all. The bar is the Tory party, Britain First are the Facsists... I get the analogy but I can’t see any mainstream party being hijacked. Conservative, Labour, Lib Dems would all manage to keep any extreme element lurching their party to either the far right or far left. The British public have no appetite for extreme politics. I get your point but I have in all 3 of the main parties protecting their brand. I mean I could say you just haven't seen it. But for the sake of argument lets say they haven't. Like the analogy states it starts of with nice, polite ones." If you had to make a recommendation, would you go as far as any Britain First members/associates being banned from joining any political party membership? | |||
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"I wanted Kemi Badenoch but ain’t gonna happen.Think Sunak will win I wanted Kemi as well, I think her time will come for sure. All the charm of a rotting teddy bear by a child's grave " Ok then | |||
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"(transcribed from a series of tweets) - @iamragesparkle I was at a shitty crustpunk bar once getting an after-work beer. One of those shitholes where the bartenders clearly hate you. So the bartender and I were ignoring one another when someone sits next to me and he immediately says, "no. get out." And the dude next to me says, "hey i'm not doing anything, i'm a paying customer." and the bartender reaches under the counter for a bat or something and says, "out. now." and the dude leaves, kind of yelling. And he was dressed in a punk uniform, I noticed Anyway, I asked what that was about and the bartender was like, "you didn't see his vest but it was all nazi shit. Iron crosses and stuff. You get to recognize them." And i was like, ohok and he continues. "you have to nip it in the bud immediately. These guys come in and it's always a nice, polite one. And you serve them because you don't want to cause a scene. And then they become a regular and after awhile they bring a friend. And that dude is cool too. And then THEY bring friends and the friends bring friends and they stop being cool and then you realize, oh shit, this is a Nazi bar now. And it's too late because they're entrenched and if you try to kick them out, they cause a PROBLEM. So you have to shut them down. And i was like, 'oh damn.' and he said "yeah, you have to ignore their reasonable arguments because their end goal is to be terrible, awful people." And then he went back to ignoring me. But I haven't forgotten that at all. The bar is the Tory party, Britain First are the Facsists... I get the analogy but I can’t see any mainstream party being hijacked. Conservative, Labour, Lib Dems would all manage to keep any extreme element lurching their party to either the far right or far left. The British public have no appetite for extreme politics. I get your point but I have in all 3 of the main parties protecting their brand. I mean I could say you just haven't seen it. But for the sake of argument lets say they haven't. Like the analogy states it starts of with nice, polite ones. If you had to make a recommendation, would you go as far as any Britain First members/associates being banned from joining any political party membership?" It isn't unprecedented. Labour excluded the votes of many new members at their leadership election which crowned Starmer. The party is entitled to set what rules it wishes for membership. I do think people who support Britain First are dangerous people and should be kept away from any form of systemic power. | |||
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"Maybe people simply respect her because of her hard work and being a mother of three children as well as being an MP. In addition she worked in MacDonslds to fund her education so she will know what hard graft is . " A rich man's Angela Raynor then | |||
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"(transcribed from a series of tweets) - @iamragesparkle I was at a shitty crustpunk bar once getting an after-work beer. One of those shitholes where the bartenders clearly hate you. So the bartender and I were ignoring one another when someone sits next to me and he immediately says, "no. get out." And the dude next to me says, "hey i'm not doing anything, i'm a paying customer." and the bartender reaches under the counter for a bat or something and says, "out. now." and the dude leaves, kind of yelling. And he was dressed in a punk uniform, I noticed Anyway, I asked what that was about and the bartender was like, "you didn't see his vest but it was all nazi shit. Iron crosses and stuff. You get to recognize them." And i was like, ohok and he continues. "you have to nip it in the bud immediately. These guys come in and it's always a nice, polite one. And you serve them because you don't want to cause a scene. And then they become a regular and after awhile they bring a friend. And that dude is cool too. And then THEY bring friends and the friends bring friends and they stop being cool and then you realize, oh shit, this is a Nazi bar now. And it's too late because they're entrenched and if you try to kick them out, they cause a PROBLEM. So you have to shut them down. And i was like, 'oh damn.' and he said "yeah, you have to ignore their reasonable arguments because their end goal is to be terrible, awful people." And then he went back to ignoring me. But I haven't forgotten that at all. The bar is the Tory party, Britain First are the Facsists... I get the analogy but I can’t see any mainstream party being hijacked. Conservative, Labour, Lib Dems would all manage to keep any extreme element lurching their party to either the far right or far left. The British public have no appetite for extreme politics. I get your point but I have in all 3 of the main parties protecting their brand. I mean I could say you just haven't seen it. But for the sake of argument lets say they haven't. Like the analogy states it starts of with nice, polite ones. If you had to make a recommendation, would you go as far as any Britain First members/associates being banned from joining any political party membership? It isn't unprecedented. Labour excluded the votes of many new members at their leadership election which crowned Starmer. The party is entitled to set what rules it wishes for membership. I do think people who support Britain First are dangerous people and should be kept away from any form of systemic power." I hear you and applaud Labour tightening controls, can only hope the Conservatives do the same if beds be unless these characters can be rehabilitated. | |||
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"(transcribed from a series of tweets) - @iamragesparkle I was at a shitty crustpunk bar once getting an after-work beer. One of those shitholes where the bartenders clearly hate you. So the bartender and I were ignoring one another when someone sits next to me and he immediately says, "no. get out." And the dude next to me says, "hey i'm not doing anything, i'm a paying customer." and the bartender reaches under the counter for a bat or something and says, "out. now." and the dude leaves, kind of yelling. And he was dressed in a punk uniform, I noticed Anyway, I asked what that was about and the bartender was like, "you didn't see his vest but it was all nazi shit. Iron crosses and stuff. You get to recognize them." And i was like, ohok and he continues. "you have to nip it in the bud immediately. These guys come in and it's always a nice, polite one. And you serve them because you don't want to cause a scene. And then they become a regular and after awhile they bring a friend. And that dude is cool too. And then THEY bring friends and the friends bring friends and they stop being cool and then you realize, oh shit, this is a Nazi bar now. And it's too late because they're entrenched and if you try to kick them out, they cause a PROBLEM. So you have to shut them down. And i was like, 'oh damn.' and he said "yeah, you have to ignore their reasonable arguments because their end goal is to be terrible, awful people." And then he went back to ignoring me. But I haven't forgotten that at all. The bar is the Tory party, Britain First are the Facsists... I get the analogy but I can’t see any mainstream party being hijacked. Conservative, Labour, Lib Dems would all manage to keep any extreme element lurching their party to either the far right or far left. The British public have no appetite for extreme politics. I get your point but I have in all 3 of the main parties protecting their brand. I mean I could say you just haven't seen it. But for the sake of argument lets say they haven't. Like the analogy states it starts of with nice, polite ones. If you had to make a recommendation, would you go as far as any Britain First members/associates being banned from joining any political party membership? It isn't unprecedented. Labour excluded the votes of many new members at their leadership election which crowned Starmer. The party is entitled to set what rules it wishes for membership. I do think people who support Britain First are dangerous people and should be kept away from any form of systemic power. I hear you and applaud Labour tightening controls, can only hope the Conservatives do the same if beds be unless these characters can be rehabilitated." *if needs be | |||
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"I wanted Kemi Badenoch but ain’t gonna happen.Think Sunak will win I wanted Kemi as well, I think her time will come for sure. Blimey. What do you like about her? Does it matter why we like her, you guys have expressed views on the leadership race, I’m not going to question you on it." You can question me on anything you like. I'm just curious why someone would like her. To me, her views seem mainly based on hate and causing division. So you, presumably see something different. | |||
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"And if Truss wins, a poor village somewhere will miss out on gaining the greatest village idiot in history." I Dunno Johnson will get released back into the wild... | |||
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"And if Truss wins, a poor village somewhere will miss out on gaining the greatest village idiot in history. I Dunno Johnson will get released back into the wild..." He's not an idiot. He's simply arrogant, lazy, uncaring, corrupt, without any morals whatsoever, a liar and a bastard. Truss, however, is as thick as a cowpat pie the height of the Shard. (And she'd prob try to eat it if you told her it was actually chocolate + it'd make her look like Thatcher somehow.) | |||
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"And if Truss wins, a poor village somewhere will miss out on gaining the greatest village idiot in history. I Dunno Johnson will get released back into the wild... He's not an idiot. He's simply arrogant, lazy, uncaring, corrupt, without any morals whatsoever, a liar and a bastard. Truss, however, is as thick as a cowpat pie the height of the Shard. (And she'd prob try to eat it if you told her it was actually chocolate + it'd make her look like Thatcher somehow.)" Honestly in all seriousness, I refuse to underestimate the intelligence or callousness of any of the Tory party | |||
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"And if Truss wins, a poor village somewhere will miss out on gaining the greatest village idiot in history. I Dunno Johnson will get released back into the wild... He's not an idiot. He's simply arrogant, lazy, uncaring, corrupt, without any morals whatsoever, a liar and a bastard. Truss, however, is as thick as a cowpat pie the height of the Shard. (And she'd prob try to eat it if you told her it was actually chocolate + it'd make her look like Thatcher somehow.) Honestly in all seriousness, I refuse to underestimate the intelligence or callousness of any of the Tory party" I'd never underestimate Truss's callousness. But it's v hard to watch various clips of Truss + not conclude she is astonishingly dim. | |||
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"A few Truss highlights: Pork markets. Look it up. It's painful + hilarious. I especially like the delay after she speaks before scattered applause starts. As if the audience are trying to figure out if they are actually meant to clap this shit. Her pretending to be outraged about cheese in the same mad speech. Equally painful + hilarious. I recommend a vid clip. Her painful facial expressions add so much to it. The time she managed to accidentally sit in the lap of another MP when trying to sit in her own seat. She then looked confused + wandered round a bit before finding a seat without a lap to place her rear on. To much amusement around the Commons. The time she so recently launched her leadership campaign via a speech. At the end of which, she failed to find her way out of the fucking room. A guy had to show her how to get out. Some leadership skills, eh? And her most recent clanger. On twitter, she tweeted she was promising to "hit the ground from day one." And they're just the Liz moments that jumpt to mind as I'm writing this..." . Hello. Probably just as well most people judge others on what they achieve in life and not on a few minor faults. Aa long as she wind the contest who cares about the issues referred to - they are completely irrelevant. | |||
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"The amount of people who wanted Kemi Badenoch is genuinely quite concerning, she was the most authoritarian right wing chasing fascism candidate in the race. She got the Britain First endorsement for crying out loud." This. She played to the far-right wing extremists and lapped it up. Truly awful person. I really do get the feeling some people want to live in an even more dystopian authoritarian state. The same people who complain about "Nanny State", seem to want even more "Nannying", because that how authoritarian governments maintain their control. I can hear them now : "It's ok, they can control the little people. They need it. So long as they don't control me..." | |||
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"A few Truss highlights: Pork markets. Look it up. It's painful + hilarious. I especially like the delay after she speaks before scattered applause starts. As if the audience are trying to figure out if they are actually meant to clap this shit. Her pretending to be outraged about cheese in the same mad speech. Equally painful + hilarious. I recommend a vid clip. Her painful facial expressions add so much to it. The time she managed to accidentally sit in the lap of another MP when trying to sit in her own seat. She then looked confused + wandered round a bit before finding a seat without a lap to place her rear on. To much amusement around the Commons. The time she so recently launched her leadership campaign via a speech. At the end of which, she failed to find her way out of the fucking room. A guy had to show her how to get out. Some leadership skills, eh? And her most recent clanger. On twitter, she tweeted she was promising to "hit the ground from day one." And they're just the Liz moments that jumpt to mind as I'm writing this.... Hello. Probably just as well most people judge others on what they achieve in life and not on a few minor faults. Aa long as she wind the contest who cares about the issues referred to - they are completely irrelevant. " lol it's the way you tell em, Pat. | |||
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"A few Truss highlights: Pork markets. Look it up. It's painful + hilarious. I especially like the delay after she speaks before scattered applause starts. As if the audience are trying to figure out if they are actually meant to clap this shit. Her pretending to be outraged about cheese in the same mad speech. Equally painful + hilarious. I recommend a vid clip. Her painful facial expressions add so much to it. The time she managed to accidentally sit in the lap of another MP when trying to sit in her own seat. She then looked confused + wandered round a bit before finding a seat without a lap to place her rear on. To much amusement around the Commons. The time she so recently launched her leadership campaign via a speech. At the end of which, she failed to find her way out of the fucking room. A guy had to show her how to get out. Some leadership skills, eh? And her most recent clanger. On twitter, she tweeted she was promising to "hit the ground from day one." And they're just the Liz moments that jumpt to mind as I'm writing this.... Hello. Probably just as well most people judge others on what they achieve in life and not on a few minor faults. Aa long as she wind the contest who cares about the issues referred to - they are completely irrelevant. " Hello there, Truss is as thick as shit , | |||
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"I wanted Kemi Badenoch but ain’t gonna happen.Think Sunak will win I wanted Kemi as well, I think her time will come for sure. Blimey. What do you like about her? Does it matter why we like her, you guys have expressed views on the leadership race, I’m not going to question you on it. You can question me on anything you like. I'm just curious why someone would like her. To me, her views seem mainly based on hate and causing division. So you, presumably see something different." I like her inclination for small government/state and her tackling of for want of a better term culture wars. Her stance on CRT has impressed me, she isn’t in favour of teaching that white privilege exists. | |||
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"I wanted Kemi Badenoch but ain’t gonna happen.Think Sunak will win I wanted Kemi as well, I think her time will come for sure. Blimey. What do you like about her? Does it matter why we like her, you guys have expressed views on the leadership race, I’m not going to question you on it. You can question me on anything you like. I'm just curious why someone would like her. To me, her views seem mainly based on hate and causing division. So you, presumably see something different. I like her inclination for small government/state and her tackling of for want of a better term culture wars. Her stance on CRT has impressed me, she isn’t in favour of teaching that white privilege exists. " But CRT isn't taught anywhere except at the university level, and White privilege DOES exist. You like here because she either denies or wants to legislate against reality? | |||
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"The UK is a right wing country and we need right wing candidates. We cannot br dictated too by a vocal minority." The UK isn't a country. It's a union of four countries - a smaller, less effective and prosperous version of the EU, in every way that matters. England is the only right wing country in the UK. Well, considered to be right wing, at least. It's not as racist, misogynist and homophobic as it used to be. A "vocal minority"? Do you mean people who do not vote Conservative? I'd remind you that over 50% of UK voters did not assent to the current government, in the last UK GE. You seem to be advocating leaving the centre ground of your Party behind, as if it has no place in UK politics. Clearly, by your own words, you disagree that the Conservative Party is - or, at least, should be - a "broad church", as they love to claim they are. No. For you, it's right wing only, England first. That sort of attitude really isn't going to preserve the UK. Thankfully. | |||
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"(transcribed from a series of tweets) - @iamragesparkle I was at a shitty crustpunk bar once getting an after-work beer. One of those shitholes where the bartenders clearly hate you. So the bartender and I were ignoring one another when someone sits next to me and he immediately says, "no. get out." And the dude next to me says, "hey i'm not doing anything, i'm a paying customer." and the bartender reaches under the counter for a bat or something and says, "out. now." and the dude leaves, kind of yelling. And he was dressed in a punk uniform, I noticed Anyway, I asked what that was about and the bartender was like, "you didn't see his vest but it was all nazi shit. Iron crosses and stuff. You get to recognize them." And i was like, ohok and he continues. "you have to nip it in the bud immediately. These guys come in and it's always a nice, polite one. And you serve them because you don't want to cause a scene. And then they become a regular and after awhile they bring a friend. And that dude is cool too. And then THEY bring friends and the friends bring friends and they stop being cool and then you realize, oh shit, this is a Nazi bar now. And it's too late because they're entrenched and if you try to kick them out, they cause a PROBLEM. So you have to shut them down. And i was like, 'oh damn.' and he said "yeah, you have to ignore their reasonable arguments because their end goal is to be terrible, awful people." And then he went back to ignoring me. But I haven't forgotten that at all. The bar is the Tory party, Britain First are the Facsists... I get the analogy but I can’t see any mainstream party being hijacked. Conservative, Labour, Lib Dems would all manage to keep any extreme element lurching their party to either the far right or far left. The British public have no appetite for extreme politics. I get your point but I have in all 3 of the main parties protecting their brand." Farage and UKIP didn't have to hijack the Tory Party. They just scared the shit out of them and that Etonian fuckwit, Cameron, caved in - and Brexit happened. Thatcher would have told Farage to fuck off - because she understood (and Cameron didn't) that, under FPTP, four million votes (UK wide) only gets you two MPs in Westminster. Hate her or hate her. She wasn't the sort of fucking moron who currently seeks to step into her shoes now. | |||
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"Place your vote for who will lose in the bid for the next PM! A - Rishi Sunak B - Lizz Truss c - Everyone Else. My guess is that everyone is a winner. Liz Truss for PM and Rushi will be awarded a senior position. The electorate will be more than happy . The Conservatives still have a 77 seat majority. They are more popular than any other party and just need to hold on to this lead. Even the housebound and disabled are well looked after. There are currently in excess of half a million cars on the mobility scheme . Social care is also there where it is needed. The result is great news for everyone including Boris. The demand for his talent in after dinner speaches will be un stoppable. I cannot see him having two many regrets about having to resign it is simply onwards and upwards to bigger and better things. We have four winners and no losers. They have a 71 seat working majority You called Sunak a snake last week Boris didn’t want to leave, he was sacked by his own party Is after party speaking ‘bigger and better’ than being PM? "PM earns £180k per year.. Tony Blair gets £250k each time he opens his mouth. | |||
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"I wanted Kemi Badenoch but ain’t gonna happen.Think Sunak will win I wanted Kemi as well, I think her time will come for sure. Blimey. What do you like about her? Does it matter why we like her, you guys have expressed views on the leadership race, I’m not going to question you on it. You can question me on anything you like. I'm just curious why someone would like her. To me, her views seem mainly based on hate and causing division. So you, presumably see something different. I like her inclination for small government/state and her tackling of for want of a better term culture wars. Her stance on CRT has impressed me, she isn’t in favour of teaching that white privilege exists. " Thank you for answering. She appears to be fueling culture wars, and denying that white privilege exists seems bonkers to me. But I appreciate you taking the time to answer. | |||
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"Place your vote for who will lose in the bid for the next PM! A - Rishi Sunak B - Lizz Truss c - Everyone Else. My guess is that everyone is a winner. Liz Truss for PM and Rushi will be awarded a senior position. The electorate will be more than happy . The Conservatives still have a 77 seat majority. They are more popular than any other party and just need to hold on to this lead. Even the housebound and disabled are well looked after. There are currently in excess of half a million cars on the mobility scheme . Social care is also there where it is needed. The result is great news for everyone including Boris. The demand for his talent in after dinner speaches will be un stoppable. I cannot see him having two many regrets about having to resign it is simply onwards and upwards to bigger and better things. We have four winners and no losers. They have a 71 seat working majority You called Sunak a snake last week Boris didn’t want to leave, he was sacked by his own party Is after party speaking ‘bigger and better’ than being PM?
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Tony Blair gets £250k each time he opens his mouth."True, but like I said, Boris didn’t want to leave the job as PM, he was sacked, | |||
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"Place your vote for who will lose in the bid for the next PM! A - Rishi Sunak B - Lizz Truss c - Everyone Else. My guess is that everyone is a winner. Liz Truss for PM and Rushi will be awarded a senior position. The electorate will be more than happy . The Conservatives still have a 77 seat majority. They are more popular than any other party and just need to hold on to this lead. Even the housebound and disabled are well looked after. There are currently in excess of half a million cars on the mobility scheme . Social care is also there where it is needed. The result is great news for everyone including Boris. The demand for his talent in after dinner speaches will be un stoppable. I cannot see him having two many regrets about having to resign it is simply onwards and upwards to bigger and better things. We have four winners and no losers. They have a 71 seat working majority You called Sunak a snake last week Boris didn’t want to leave, he was sacked by his own party Is after party speaking ‘bigger and better’ than being PM?
PM earns £180k per year..
Tony Blair gets £250k each time he opens his mouth.
True, but like I said, Boris didn’t want to leave the job as PM, he was sacked, "Not quite true .. but we are where we are
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"Place your vote for who will lose in the bid for the next PM! A - Rishi Sunak B - Lizz Truss c - Everyone Else. My guess is that everyone is a winner. Liz Truss for PM and Rushi will be awarded a senior position. The electorate will be more than happy . The Conservatives still have a 77 seat majority. They are more popular than any other party and just need to hold on to this lead. Even the housebound and disabled are well looked after. There are currently in excess of half a million cars on the mobility scheme . Social care is also there where it is needed. The result is great news for everyone including Boris. The demand for his talent in after dinner speaches will be un stoppable. I cannot see him having two many regrets about having to resign it is simply onwards and upwards to bigger and better things. We have four winners and no losers. They have a 71 seat working majority You called Sunak a snake last week Boris didn’t want to leave, he was sacked by his own party Is after party speaking ‘bigger and better’ than being PM?
PM earns £180k per year..
Tony Blair gets £250k each time he opens his mouth.
True, but like I said, Boris didn’t want to leave the job as PM, he was sacked,
Not quite true .. but we are where we are
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"I wanted Kemi Badenoch but ain’t gonna happen.Think Sunak will win I wanted Kemi as well, I think her time will come for sure. Blimey. What do you like about her? Does it matter why we like her, you guys have expressed views on the leadership race, I’m not going to question you on it. You can question me on anything you like. I'm just curious why someone would like her. To me, her views seem mainly based on hate and causing division. So you, presumably see something different. I like her inclination for small government/state and her tackling of for want of a better term culture wars. Her stance on CRT has impressed me, she isn’t in favour of teaching that white privilege exists. Thank you for answering. She appears to be fueling culture wars, and denying that white privilege exists seems bonkers to me. But I appreciate you taking the time to answer." Thank you in return | |||
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"I wanted Kemi Badenoch but ain’t gonna happen.Think Sunak will win I wanted Kemi as well, I think her time will come for sure. Blimey. What do you like about her? Does it matter why we like her, you guys have expressed views on the leadership race, I’m not going to question you on it. You can question me on anything you like. I'm just curious why someone would like her. To me, her views seem mainly based on hate and causing division. So you, presumably see something different. I like her inclination for small government/state and her tackling of for want of a better term culture wars. Her stance on CRT has impressed me, she isn’t in favour of teaching that white privilege exists. But CRT isn't taught anywhere except at the university level, and White privilege DOES exist. You like here because she either denies or wants to legislate against reality?" A debate for a separate thread I reckon as there would be much to discuss and should generate a lot of traction on here as there will be many different viewpoints | |||
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"I'd remind you that over 50% of UK voters did not assent to the current government, in the last UK GE." Since you've phrased it in that unusual way, I'm going to disagree. The current government got 46.3% of the vote, and 32.7% of the voting populace didn't exercise their privilege. Those that don't vote are clearly happy to allow the rest of us to choose for them. That means that a whopping 63.9% of the population gave their assent to the current government. If you'd prefer a smaller number, you could accurately say that only 31.2% of the populace 'actively support' the Tories. | |||
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"I wanted Kemi Badenoch but ain’t gonna happen.Think Sunak will win I wanted Kemi as well, I think her time will come for sure. Blimey. What do you like about her? Does it matter why we like her, you guys have expressed views on the leadership race, I’m not going to question you on it. You can question me on anything you like. I'm just curious why someone would like her. To me, her views seem mainly based on hate and causing division. So you, presumably see something different. I like her inclination for small government/state and her tackling of for want of a better term culture wars. Her stance on CRT has impressed me, she isn’t in favour of teaching that white privilege exists. Thank you for answering. She appears to be fueling culture wars, and denying that white privilege exists seems bonkers to me. But I appreciate you taking the time to answer." What are the benefits of ‘white privilege? And why is it only spoken of by some white people and those of a black African heritage? | |||
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"I wanted Kemi Badenoch but ain’t gonna happen.Think Sunak will win I wanted Kemi as well, I think her time will come for sure. Blimey. What do you like about her? Does it matter why we like her, you guys have expressed views on the leadership race, I’m not going to question you on it. You can question me on anything you like. I'm just curious why someone would like her. To me, her views seem mainly based on hate and causing division. So you, presumably see something different. I like her inclination for small government/state and her tackling of for want of a better term culture wars. Her stance on CRT has impressed me, she isn’t in favour of teaching that white privilege exists. Thank you for answering. She appears to be fueling culture wars, and denying that white privilege exists seems bonkers to me. But I appreciate you taking the time to answer. What are the benefits of ‘white privilege? And why is it only spoken of by some white people and those of a black African heritage? " There's a good book called Natives, written by Akala. That will give you a good overview. And I can't speculate on your speculation about who does or doesn't talk about it based on their ethnicity. | |||
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"I wanted Kemi Badenoch but ain’t gonna happen.Think Sunak will win I wanted Kemi as well, I think her time will come for sure. Blimey. What do you like about her? Does it matter why we like her, you guys have expressed views on the leadership race, I’m not going to question you on it. You can question me on anything you like. I'm just curious why someone would like her. To me, her views seem mainly based on hate and causing division. So you, presumably see something different. I like her inclination for small government/state and her tackling of for want of a better term culture wars. Her stance on CRT has impressed me, she isn’t in favour of teaching that white privilege exists. Thank you for answering. She appears to be fueling culture wars, and denying that white privilege exists seems bonkers to me. But I appreciate you taking the time to answer. What are the benefits of ‘white privilege? And why is it only spoken of by some white people and those of a black African heritage? There's a good book called Natives, written by Akala. That will give you a good overview. And I can't speculate on your speculation about who does or doesn't talk about it based on their ethnicity. "99p on Kindle. Sounds like the author is of part Jamaican heritage. Not clear if he has African heritage .... | |||
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"If SKS was somehow parachuted in for the next two years, i wonder what big differences there would be. (This isn't "labour are as bad as the Tories" angle. But "Brexit and COVID may prevent other changes being made regardless or rosette colour"" Honestly I think it would be better because of the things that Labour WOULDN'T do. Tories have been systematically defunding the NHS, Awarding huge contracts at over the odds values to their corporate backers, they have been trying to strip away from human rights laws. Why I say X years of labour doing nothing is better than X years of the Tories. | |||
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"Now we are certain of a couple of things. We will have either our third female PM or our first non white PM. We won't have Boris much longer. So who out of the 3 represents Labour's best chance of winning the next GE" Realistically, none. I don't think Labour have any chance. | |||
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"If SKS was somehow parachuted in for the next two years, i wonder what big differences there would be. (This isn't "labour are as bad as the Tories" angle. But "Brexit and COVID may prevent other changes being made regardless or rosette colour" Honestly I think it would be better because of the things that Labour WOULDN'T do. Tories have been systematically defunding the NHS, Awarding huge contracts at over the odds values to their corporate backers, they have been trying to strip away from human rights laws. Why I say X years of labour doing nothing is better than X years of the Tories." A reasonable point. Not doing anything is better than doing active harm. The trouble Labour have, is that since Blair, they can't win an election without pretending to be Tories. It's the way FPTP works and enough voters in England liking it that they don't even have to be in the majority, they can still have a Tory government if they want one. So, the choice is full fat Tory, or diet Tory. Starmer knows that. So do the Tories. So do the Scots - which is why we reject them every time there's an election. I suppose, in some weird reality, the LibDems could become "England's SNP" - but not in the one we inhabit. | |||
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"Now we are certain of a couple of things. We will have either our third female PM or our first non white PM. We won't have Boris much longer. So who out of the 3 represents Labour's best chance of winning the next GE Realistically, none. I don't think Labour have any chance." I understand your point though I would think that Labour have a pretty decent chance personally. After Boris and all the antics, we will have either truss or sunak. Neither seem capable to me though of course how they get on is yet to be seen. I notice today that starmer seems to be taking another step towards Tory light by basically saying that nationalisation of key sectors is not in his thinking. He says it will not be what many in Labour want to hear but that's his vision. | |||
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"Now we are certain of a couple of things. We will have either our third female PM or our first non white PM. We won't have Boris much longer. So who out of the 3 represents Labour's best chance of winning the next GE Realistically, none. I don't think Labour have any chance. I understand your point though I would think that Labour have a pretty decent chance personally. After Boris and all the antics, we will have either truss or sunak. Neither seem capable to me though of course how they get on is yet to be seen. I notice today that starmer seems to be taking another step towards Tory light by basically saying that nationalisation of key sectors is not in his thinking. He says it will not be what many in Labour want to hear but that's his vision. " That will definitely not attract my vote, but it might do it for the centre right undecided people. I'd like to see a proper alternative, instead of a "we're basically the same, but slightly less shit as the Tories". If Labour win the next GE on that kind of promise, I don't see anything to celebrate. | |||
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"Now we are certain of a couple of things. We will have either our third female PM or our first non white PM. We won't have Boris much longer. So who out of the 3 represents Labour's best chance of winning the next GE Realistically, none. I don't think Labour have any chance. I understand your point though I would think that Labour have a pretty decent chance personally. After Boris and all the antics, we will have either truss or sunak. Neither seem capable to me though of course how they get on is yet to be seen. I notice today that starmer seems to be taking another step towards Tory light by basically saying that nationalisation of key sectors is not in his thinking. He says it will not be what many in Labour want to hear but that's his vision. That will definitely not attract my vote, but it might do it for the centre right undecided people. I'd like to see a proper alternative, instead of a "we're basically the same, but slightly less shit as the Tories". If Labour win the next GE on that kind of promise, I don't see anything to celebrate. " I see Labour having the Same issue as the Democrats in the states. They have a populace which overwhelmingly supports centreist/centre left policies, but refuse to court that vote because of some perception that they have to win the vote on the right. screw the vote from the right... go for the votes where the majority population lives. | |||
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"Now we are certain of a couple of things. We will have either our third female PM or our first non white PM. We won't have Boris much longer. So who out of the 3 represents Labour's best chance of winning the next GE Realistically, none. I don't think Labour have any chance. I understand your point though I would think that Labour have a pretty decent chance personally. After Boris and all the antics, we will have either truss or sunak. Neither seem capable to me though of course how they get on is yet to be seen. I notice today that starmer seems to be taking another step towards Tory light by basically saying that nationalisation of key sectors is not in his thinking. He says it will not be what many in Labour want to hear but that's his vision. That will definitely not attract my vote, but it might do it for the centre right undecided people. I'd like to see a proper alternative, instead of a "we're basically the same, but slightly less shit as the Tories". If Labour win the next GE on that kind of promise, I don't see anything to celebrate. " I agree it will not be cause for celebration but I think rightly or wrongly it represents their best chance of deposing the current lot. From what little Labour have revealed, I think this is the general direction. He could end up with more of a fight from his own party than the Tories though | |||
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"Now we are certain of a couple of things. We will have either our third female PM or our first non white PM. We won't have Boris much longer. So who out of the 3 represents Labour's best chance of winning the next GE Realistically, none. I don't think Labour have any chance. I understand your point though I would think that Labour have a pretty decent chance personally. After Boris and all the antics, we will have either truss or sunak. Neither seem capable to me though of course how they get on is yet to be seen. I notice today that starmer seems to be taking another step towards Tory light by basically saying that nationalisation of key sectors is not in his thinking. He says it will not be what many in Labour want to hear but that's his vision. That will definitely not attract my vote, but it might do it for the centre right undecided people. I'd like to see a proper alternative, instead of a "we're basically the same, but slightly less shit as the Tories". If Labour win the next GE on that kind of promise, I don't see anything to celebrate. I agree it will not be cause for celebration but I think rightly or wrongly it represents their best chance of deposing the current lot. From what little Labour have revealed, I think this is the general direction. He could end up with more of a fight from his own party than the Tories though" I agree. It will likely be their best chance. | |||
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"Conservative voters will never accept a man of Asian origins as their leader. ... It's simply a media exercise to even include him " A media exercise that also felt the need to include Kemi Badenoch, Suella Braverman, Rehman Chishti, Sajid Javid, and Nadhim Zahawi alongside Rishi Sunak? Crikey, they must have been really sure that the inherent racism of the membership would allow Liz Truss to walk it. | |||
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"Conservative voters will never accept a man of Asian origins as their leader. ... It's simply a media exercise to even include him A media exercise that also felt the need to include Kemi Badenoch, Suella Braverman, Rehman Chishti, Sajid Javid, and Nadhim Zahawi alongside Rishi Sunak? Crikey, they must have been really sure that the inherent racism of the membership would allow Liz Truss to walk it." Clearly yes. Liz truss is the only acceptable establishment candidate. The others were merely window dressing. The only real rival was penny Mordaunt. | |||
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"Conservative voters will never accept a man of Asian origins as their leader. ... It's simply a media exercise to even include him A media exercise that also felt the need to include Kemi Badenoch, Suella Braverman, Rehman Chishti, Sajid Javid, and Nadhim Zahawi alongside Rishi Sunak? Crikey, they must have been really sure that the inherent racism of the membership would allow Liz Truss to walk it." I can see why the Right wing papers especially the daily fail don’t want Sunak winning. It’s about control, he can simply ignore them, he’s less in their pockets, he’s his own man. Unfortunately they need someone to control, truss the ventriloquists dummy is perfect, easily malleable, can push through their agenda, which is tax cuts for big business. She has no real power base so she will be dependent on the papers to keep her in. So the papers fire up their base, they can bring in every dirty tactic to get Truss in, and they will play every card to get what they want. So can understand that truss is going in because she is going to be a stooge of the papers. So on the positive side, it’s going to lead to a failure at the GE, and welcome a Labour Party which will actually get back to the actual situation under control. | |||
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"Now we are certain of a couple of things. We will have either our third female PM or our first non white PM. We won't have Boris much longer. So who out of the 3 represents Labour's best chance of winning the next GE Realistically, none. I don't think Labour have any chance. I understand your point though I would think that Labour have a pretty decent chance personally. After Boris and all the antics, we will have either truss or sunak. Neither seem capable to me though of course how they get on is yet to be seen. I notice today that starmer seems to be taking another step towards Tory light by basically saying that nationalisation of key sectors is not in his thinking. He says it will not be what many in Labour want to hear but that's his vision. That will definitely not attract my vote, but it might do it for the centre right undecided people. I'd like to see a proper alternative, instead of a "we're basically the same, but slightly less shit as the Tories". If Labour win the next GE on that kind of promise, I don't see anything to celebrate. I see Labour having the Same issue as the Democrats in the states. They have a populace which overwhelmingly supports centreist/centre left policies, but refuse to court that vote because of some perception that they have to win the vote on the right. screw the vote from the right... go for the votes where the majority population lives." Unfortunately, that approach doesn't work in the UK because of the FPTP electoral system. Over 56% of UK voters didn't vote for Boris and his kind, in December 2019. They gained an 80 seat majority despite their unpopularity. Labour can't manage a result like that without the sort of vote they used to get in Scotland - until Blair, Brown, McConnell (Google him LOL) et al fucked it all up. There's no chance of that vote coming back to Labour as long as they remain Tory-lite; which they really must do, to have any chance of forming the next UK government - minority though it will have to be. IF they manage that, they'll actually be in a decent position because they'll be able to say "I fucking dare you" to the SNP and LibDems, any time either of them even think about opposing their proposed laws - because they'll have to align with the Tories to do so. However, to actually manage it, they'll have to rely on a Truss government being so fatally divided (we already know it will be incompetently led) for two years, that it can't win the next UK GE. | |||
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"I'd remind you that over 50% of UK voters did not assent to the current government, in the last UK GE. Since you've phrased it in that unusual way, I'm going to disagree. The current government got 46.3% of the vote, and 32.7% of the voting populace didn't exercise their privilege. Those that don't vote are clearly happy to allow the rest of us to choose for them. That means that a whopping 63.9% of the population gave their assent to the current government. If you'd prefer a smaller number, you could accurately say that only 31.2% of the populace 'actively support' the Tories." Feel free to disagree and to interpret the maths however you like. But you, like the Tories, are not entitled to assume that everyone who doesn't vote is happy to let the rest of us choose for them; particularly when many of them know that, in a UK GE, FPTP disenfranchises them, simply due to where they live. Therefore, they don't waste their time voting. That applies as much to a Tory voter in central Scotland as it does to a Labour voter in the Home Counties. And, by the way, there's nothing unusual about stating a fact as a fact. Your interpretation of that fact involves a massive degree of unreliable assumption. Sadly, these days, that's not unusual either. LOL | |||
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"Conservative voters will never accept a man of Asian origins as their leader. ... It's simply a media exercise to even include him A media exercise that also felt the need to include Kemi Badenoch, Suella Braverman, Rehman Chishti, Sajid Javid, and Nadhim Zahawi alongside Rishi Sunak? Crikey, they must have been really sure that the inherent racism of the membership would allow Liz Truss to walk it." There were plenty of Asian Conservatives meeting Rishi at our local hustings on Saturday. | |||
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"Over 56% of UK voters didn't vote for Boris and his kind, in December 2019. They gained an 80 seat majority despite their unpopularity." It was 53.7% of the voters that didn't vote for Boris. Given that the Tories got more votes than any other party, you can't really describe them as unpopular. Disliked if you want, despised, or even hated, but not unpopular. | |||
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"But you, like the Tories, are not entitled to assume that everyone who doesn't vote is happy to let the rest of us choose for them" Well I'm glad you've come to that realisation. I'm sure that you will no longer be posting things like "I'd remind you that over 50% of UK voters did not assent to the current government", because that would be making an assumption about the intentions of non-voters, wouldn't it. "... particularly when many of them know that, in a UK GE, FPTP disenfranchises them, simply due to where they live. Therefore, they don't waste their time voting." Then those people are fools. Imagine if everyone had voted. The result would probably have been the same, but there would have been a lot more disenfranchised votes. After doing all the counting it would be widely reported that the government had an 80 seat majority, but that Labor had got a lot more votes than the Tories did. This would spark huge debate, and more calls for proportional representation. If you don't like the current system, get out there and do things to change it. | |||
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