FabSwingers.com forum: Child grooming gangs

By *annaBeStrong OP Man
over a year ago

wokingham

“ More than 1,000 children have been groomed in Telford, with obvious child sexual exploitation ignored by the authorities, an independent inquiry has found.”

What’s your thoughts? Are we so scared of being labelled racist we allow child grooming gangs to operate? Or is something else going on?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"“ More than 1,000 children have been groomed in Telford, with obvious child sexual exploitation ignored by the authorities, an independent inquiry has found.”

What’s your thoughts? Are we so scared of being labelled racist we allow child grooming gangs to operate? Or is something else going on? "

Awful, ‘all’ child abusers should imprisoned for life and castrated

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"“ More than 1,000 children have been groomed in Telford, with obvious child sexual exploitation ignored by the authorities, an independent inquiry has found.”

What’s your thoughts? Are we so scared of being labelled racist we allow child grooming gangs to operate? Or is something else going on? "
both. I'm sure people were afraid of being called racist. I couldn't tell you whether it was a founded fear or not.

But I'd imagine there were also other factors. Over worked, short staffed departments. A culture of not believing victims. Not having a joined up approach to these things.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

According to the Daily Mail - "Exploitation was not investigated because of nervousness about race, because the perpetrators were mainly reported to be Asian men".

So, yeah.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"According to the Daily Mail - "Exploitation was not investigated because of nervousness about race, because the perpetrators were mainly reported to be Asian men".

So, yeah."

Gross incompetence then

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Need to learn from these very clear lessons and it should never happen again.

It would not bother me for sure if such people were castrated.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Need to learn from these very clear lessons and it should never happen again.

It would not bother me for sure if such people were castrated. "

I agree, castrate them ‘all’

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By *igNick1381Man
over a year ago

BRIDGEND

Child abuse is one of, if not the, most heinous crime so no sympathy for the perpetrators

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"“ More than 1,000 children have been groomed in Telford, with obvious child sexual exploitation ignored by the authorities, an independent inquiry has found.”

What’s your thoughts? Are we so scared of being labelled racist we allow child grooming gangs to operate? Or is something else going on? "

We shouldn’t be afraid of calling these vile and heinous acts against children.

Seems a lot of people were also scared of Jimmy Saville also.

He had power and influence, had the coppers in his pocket, people tried to report him and were dismissed as crazy. The media even knew and they were silent.

Something is indeed going on, the victims in Telford and all victims of abuse are often ignored by authorities, in one form or another.

The police and authorities should have done better, instead of hiding behind being labelled as racist.

It seems to be their get out of jail free card, can’t do their job blame the fact they couldn’t do anything because of some perceived sensitive issue. When it is in actual fact is systemic failings in police and social service system that let it continue.

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By *esYesOMGYes!Man
over a year ago

M20

The Daily Mail is not a reliable source.

It’s editorial is so inaccurate that it’s banned from Wikipedia. Even Russia Today is more trusted than that fear farm.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"The Daily Mail is not a reliable source.

It’s editorial is so inaccurate that it’s banned from Wikipedia. Even Russia Today is more trusted than that fear farm."

Good job it’s in the Guardian then.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
over a year ago

Gilfach

"The Daily Mail is not a reliable source."

"Good job it’s in the Guardian then. "

Does the Guardian article include the bit about "Exploitation was not investigated because of nervousness about race, because the perpetrators were mainly reported to be Asian men"?

Can you give us a link?

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By *annaBeStrong OP Man
over a year ago

wokingham

"The Daily Mail is not a reliable source.

Good job it’s in the Guardian then.

Does the Guardian article include the bit about "Exploitation was not investigated because of nervousness about race, because the perpetrators were mainly reported to be Asian men"?

Can you give us a link?"

https://www.iitcse.com/

There’s a link to the report itself

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"The Daily Mail is not a reliable source.

Good job it’s in the Guardian then.

Does the Guardian article include the bit about "Exploitation was not investigated because of nervousness about race, because the perpetrators were mainly reported to be Asian men"?

Can you give us a link?"

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/jul/12/over-1000-children-telford-sexually-exploited-inquiry-finds

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The Daily Mail is not a reliable source.

Good job it’s in the Guardian then.

Does the Guardian article include the bit about "Exploitation was not investigated because of nervousness about race, because the perpetrators were mainly reported to be Asian men"?

Can you give us a link?"

Do you believe this quote to be untrue because it's not from a reliable source?

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

"The Daily Mail is not a reliable source.

Good job it’s in the Guardian then.

Does the Guardian article include the bit about "Exploitation was not investigated because of nervousness about race, because the perpetrators were mainly reported to be Asian men"?

Can you give us a link?

Do you believe this quote to be untrue because it's not from a reliable source?"

It’s the usual “everything in the Mail is lies “ brigade.

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

It was and is mainly girls abused by Asian men in this case. Men from cultures who see women and girls as objects to be used and exploited. These men are paedophile's. Sadly, it is still going on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The Daily Mail is not a reliable source.

Good job it’s in the Guardian then.

Does the Guardian article include the bit about "Exploitation was not investigated because of nervousness about race, because the perpetrators were mainly reported to be Asian men"?

Can you give us a link?

Do you believe this quote to be untrue because it's not from a reliable source?

It’s the usual “everything in the Mail is lies “ brigade. "

Truly vile people, its disgusting that the authorities didn't do anything because of race sensitivity. They should all be sacked.

Its not even a particular religion, its mostly men from a particular small area of Pakistan ( Mirpur, Kashmir ) that seem to be the problem. A community that is prevalent in North England.

A MP,cant remember who talked about this years back. But was forced to apologise for speaking the truth.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
over a year ago

Gilfach

"Can you give us a link?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/jul/12/over-1000-children-telford-sexually-exploited-inquiry-finds"

Thanks. You were absolutely right.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
over a year ago

Gilfach

"Do you believe this quote to be untrue because it's not from a reliable source?"

I believe it needs double checking because it comes from an unreliable source. Others have helped me to double check, and it turns out to be true.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The people responsible for ‘letting’ this happen need to be sacked immediately ,

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By *annaBeStrong OP Man
over a year ago

wokingham

"It was and is mainly girls abused by Asian men in this case. Men from cultures who see women and girls as objects to be used and exploited. These men are paedophile's. Sadly, it is still going on. "

Seems to be the conclusion I come to

Abusers can and do come in all shapes and sizes. But if your part of a community that thinks women are objects, is anyone surprised when they treat them like that?

It’s a shame people felt like they couldn’t say anything

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"The people responsible for ‘letting’ this happen need to be sacked immediately ,

Totally agree but as we've seen with the scandals in some of the NHS trusts over the negligence that led to unnecessary deaths what will likely happen is those who failed in their duties and responsibilities will simply move on..

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"“ More than 1,000 children have been groomed in Telford, with obvious child sexual exploitation ignored by the authorities, an independent inquiry has found.”

What’s your thoughts? Are we so scared of being labelled racist we allow child grooming gangs to operate? Or is something else going on? "

Having read the news about this, I suddenly remembered I had watched an interview with a woman who was groomed by a gang in Telford, it all then fell into place.

It is harrowing, listening to how it began, how they trapped her, threatened her. I have the link, but not sure youtube links are allowed.

If you search youtube for ladsbible grooming, you will find it. Very upsetting, and such a brave woman to discuss the horrors so openly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The people responsible for ‘letting’ this happen need to be sacked immediately ,

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sacked is not good enough the8 ever lean and just move on to next council job and same happens again until some are prosecuted nothing will change.

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By *iman2100Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

I struggle to understand what the view of others was amongst the perpetrators of this obscene abuse. To most normal, civilised, human beings child abuse on an industrial scale is inhuman, unimaginable.

How did these, predominately Asian men, grow up with such a poor view of caucasian females that they thought it acceptable to subject them to sexual and physical abuse? Were they never taught right from wrong or do they generally view caucasian females as no better than animals?

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"The Daily Mail is not a reliable source.

Good job it’s in the Guardian then.

Does the Guardian article include the bit about "Exploitation was not investigated because of nervousness about race, because the perpetrators were mainly reported to be Asian men"?

Can you give us a link?

Do you believe this quote to be untrue because it's not from a reliable source?

It’s the usual “everything in the Mail is lies “ brigade.

Truly vile people, its disgusting that the authorities didn't do anything because of race sensitivity. They should all be sacked.

Its not even a particular religion, its mostly men from a particular small area of Pakistan ( Mirpur, Kashmir ) that seem to be the problem. A community that is prevalent in North England.

A MP,cant remember who talked about this years back. But was forced to apologise for speaking the truth. "

This was Ann Cryer, MP for Keighly , back in 2002.

She was approached by a group of mothers, complaining that their daughters were being approached and targeted by older men from Pakistan and Mirpur.

After gathering evidence, she went to the police with a list of some 65 men. The police did little.

The Labour Party, fearful of racist overtures, made her retract her claims and apologise.

We all know the rest.

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By *lder funCouple
over a year ago

tottenham

We must,nt mention they were Asian on here,according to some people here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We must,nt mention they were Asian on here,according to some people here"

No, you can mention that they are Asian, and it is very pertinent. Anybody accusing anyone of racism should be treated as a fuckwit because Asia is a continent, not a race. There are peoples of all different races who inhabit Asia.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We must,nt mention they were Asian on here,according to some people here"

Who said you can’t mention they are ‘Asian’ , however, their ethnicity is irrelevant

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By *lder funCouple
over a year ago

tottenham

Here we go,didn't take long

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Here we go,didn't take long"

Explain why it is relevant ?

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By *lder funCouple
over a year ago

tottenham

I not going to reply ,

As I know what your like,

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By *ldbutrandyMan
over a year ago

West Midlands

"I struggle to understand what the view of others was amongst the perpetrators of this obscene abuse. To most normal, civilised, human beings child abuse on an industrial scale is inhuman, unimaginable.

Not related to child abuse . But to do with my experience of Asian guys attitudes , albeit 40 plus yrs ago.

I worked where there was a 50/50 mix of Indian/Pakistani and English workers.

So , being the same age we all got on well. The Asian guys told us they only looked for white girls as their own kind would not indulge in a tenth of what white girls would. Thats if they were even allowed out with them.

English girls were easy!

The Asians involved in the latest case did it , basically because they were pervs and they were allowed to do so by a police force not allowed to follow up complaints due to the " racism " claims

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

"We must,nt mention they were Asian on here,according to some people here

Who said you can’t mention they are ‘Asian’ , however, their ethnicity is irrelevant "

It's not irrelevant in this case as the powers that be were concerned it would effect Community relationships if they named it. Its also relevant because of the attitude towards women and girls from this particular community.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I not going to reply ,

As I know what your like,"

Your not going to reply because you have no answer, what do

Gary Glitter

Jimmy Saville

Barry Bennel

Stuart Hall

Tim Westwood

Richard Huckle

Fred Talbot

Etc etc all have in common?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We must,nt mention they were Asian on here,according to some people here

Who said you can’t mention they are ‘Asian’ , however, their ethnicity is irrelevant

The authorities are guilty of gross misconduct, just like they were with Saville etc, whoever dismissed these claims should be held accountable

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

"We must,nt mention they were Asian on here,according to some people here

Who said you can’t mention they are ‘Asian’ , however, their ethnicity is irrelevant

The authorities are guilty of gross misconduct, just like they were with Saville etc, whoever dismissed these claims should be held accountable "

I totally agree

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

"I not going to reply ,

As I know what your like,

Your not going to reply because you have no answer, what do

Gary Glitter

Jimmy Saville

Barry Bennel

Stuart Hall

Tim Westwood

Richard Huckle

Fred Talbot

Etc etc all have in common? "

None of them groomed vulnerable young women & girls on an industrial scale?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I not going to reply ,

As I know what your like,

Your not going to reply because you have no answer, what do

Gary Glitter

Jimmy Saville

Barry Bennel

Stuart Hall

Tim Westwood

Richard Huckle

Fred Talbot

Etc etc all have in common? "

What they have in common is that none of them was involved in an Asian r*pe gang in Telford. Take your whataboutery elsewhere.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

From reading certain accounts of victims, it was clear that the criminals were racist themselves. They had repeatedly used words like "white *****" when attacking the victims.

This is one of the things that's hardly spoken about. The attitude towards white and black women is usually pretty bad among Asian conservatives. One of my Indian friend's daughter told us that her classmate's father had instructed her to befriend only other Asian girls and not White/Black girls because they all have "bad character".

And then we had a labour party MP who liked and re-tweeted a tweet that said "R*pe victims must shut up for the sake of diversity". The party suspended everyone who talked about the race of the perpetrators. But this MP who made such a disgusting statement about the victims didn't face any punishment at all. And then they wonder why people aren't voting for their party.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I not going to reply ,

As I know what your like,

Your not going to reply because you have no answer, what do

Gary Glitter

Jimmy Saville

Barry Bennel

Stuart Hall

Tim Westwood

Richard Huckle

Fred Talbot

Etc etc all have in common?

None of them groomed vulnerable young women & girls on an industrial scale?"

They all did it on an industrial scale, I know what they have in common, they are all disgusting , filthy , child abusers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The Daily Mail is not a reliable source.

Good job it’s in the Guardian then.

Does the Guardian article include the bit about "Exploitation was not investigated because of nervousness about race, because the perpetrators were mainly reported to be Asian men"?

Can you give us a link?

Do you believe this quote to be untrue because it's not from a reliable source?

It’s the usual “everything in the Mail is lies “ brigade. "

This was actually a quote from the Independent - the gutter trash news outlet on the other side of the coin from the Daily Mail. Amazing how quickly the stupids came out to challenge it though

That other thread cracked me up - I've never seen "adults" so terrified of the written word - hilarious

Here's a link.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/telford-grooming-gang-children-abused-b2121490.html

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I not going to reply ,

As I know what your like,

Your not going to reply because you have no answer, what do

Gary Glitter

Jimmy Saville

Barry Bennel

Stuart Hall

Tim Westwood

Richard Huckle

Fred Talbot

Etc etc all have in common?

What they have in common is that none of them was involved in an Asian r*pe gang in Telford. Take your whataboutery elsewhere."

Wrong, they all got away with the abuse for years

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I not going to reply ,

As I know what your like,

Your not going to reply because you have no answer, what do

Gary Glitter

Jimmy Saville

Barry Bennel

Stuart Hall

Tim Westwood

Richard Huckle

Fred Talbot

Etc etc all have in common?

None of them groomed vulnerable young women & girls on an industrial scale?

They all did it on an industrial scale, I know what they have in common, they are all disgusting , filthy , child abusers "

"Industrial scale"? Your definition of "industrial" is what exactly? Just another deflecting soundbite. Give it up mate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I not going to reply ,

As I know what your like,

Your not going to reply because you have no answer, what do

Gary Glitter

Jimmy Saville

Barry Bennel

Stuart Hall

Tim Westwood

Richard Huckle

Fred Talbot

Etc etc all have in common?

None of them groomed vulnerable young women & girls on an industrial scale?

They all did it on an industrial scale, I know what they have in common, they are all disgusting , filthy , child abusers

"Industrial scale"? Your definition of "industrial" is what exactly? Just another deflecting soundbite. Give it up mate."

Richard Huckle is the UKs worst child abuser, jimmy Saville abused over 200 people, Barry Bennel over 50 , shall I continue?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I not going to reply ,

As I know what your like,

Your not going to reply because you have no answer, what do

Gary Glitter

Jimmy Saville

Barry Bennel

Stuart Hall

Tim Westwood

Richard Huckle

Fred Talbot

Etc etc all have in common?

What they have in common is that none of them was involved in an Asian r*pe gang in Telford. Take your whataboutery elsewhere.

Wrong, they all got away with the abuse for years

And here is a perfect example of someone who doesn't know right from wrong. Both answers are right, but only one of them fits your agenda of deflection. Nice try though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I not going to reply ,

As I know what your like,

Your not going to reply because you have no answer, what do

Gary Glitter

Jimmy Saville

Barry Bennel

Stuart Hall

Tim Westwood

Richard Huckle

Fred Talbot

Etc etc all have in common?

What they have in common is that none of them was involved in an Asian r*pe gang in Telford. Take your whataboutery elsewhere.

Wrong, they all got away with the abuse for years

And here is a perfect example of someone who doesn't know right from wrong. Both answers are right, but only one of them fits your agenda of deflection. Nice try though

I don’t have an agenda, I shall repeat what I said before, all child abusers should be Castrated and kept in prison for life

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

"I not going to reply ,

As I know what your like,

Your not going to reply because you have no answer, what do

Gary Glitter

Jimmy Saville

Barry Bennel

Stuart Hall

Tim Westwood

Richard Huckle

Fred Talbot

Etc etc all have in common?

What they have in common is that none of them was involved in an Asian r*pe gang in Telford. Take your whataboutery elsewhere.

Wrong, they all got away with the abuse for years

And here is a perfect example of someone who doesn't know right from wrong. Both answers are right, but only one of them fits your agenda of deflection. Nice try though

I don’t have an agenda, I shall repeat what I said before, all child abusers should be Castrated and kept in prison for life

Surely that would be against the law, against their human rights?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I not going to reply ,

As I know what your like,

Your not going to reply because you have no answer, what do

Gary Glitter

Jimmy Saville

Barry Bennel

Stuart Hall

Tim Westwood

Richard Huckle

Fred Talbot

Etc etc all have in common?

What they have in common is that none of them was involved in an Asian r*pe gang in Telford. Take your whataboutery elsewhere.

Wrong, they all got away with the abuse for years

And here is a perfect example of someone who doesn't know right from wrong. Both answers are right, but only one of them fits your agenda of deflection. Nice try though

I don’t have an agenda, I shall repeat what I said before, all child abusers should be Castrated and kept in prison for life

Surely that would be against the law, against their human rights? "

I don’t care, what do ‘all’ these disgusting , vile child abuser have in common ?

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"We must,nt mention they were Asian on here,according to some people here

Who said you can’t mention they are ‘Asian’ , however, their ethnicity is irrelevant "

The ethnicity along with culturally held beliefs are important to understand in all of these cases, shying aware from acknowledging this, is what landed these girls in danger, led to their deaths in some tragic cases and fending for themselves, as children.

In the case of Saville, he used his fame, charity work and contacts. He was a rich, famous white man who believed his word would never be taken as a lie, and people he knew would protect him. He used his position to create opportunities that he exploited. That was his profile, he used his ethnicity and the cultural beliefs of those around him to exploit and create untold misery. His profile is understood and one that means people will speak up and not let things slide.

In the case of the Pakistan grooming gangs, they have a belief that white girls are easier to manipulate with alcohol, drugs and that young girls in the Pakistan community are off limits and unresponsive to the way they target their victims, by pretending to be their boyfriend.

There is so much more than what is here!

If we must acknowledge that people and groups have profiles that can be identified and used to protect the most vulnerable people in our society, if we don't we will never resolve or protect. The fear of being branded a racist, or being fearful of challenging the rich and famous, is simply no excuse for professional services not acting in the best interests of these children, especially when they know what is going on.

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By *annaBeStrong OP Man
over a year ago

wokingham

Ethnicity doesn’t matter

But we can’t just pretend culture doesn’t. And it just so happens those certain ethnicities are more like to have a certain cultural upbringing where women are seen as lesser and crimes against them are more common

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

Were these vile individuals- Telford, and don’t forget the other ‘gangs’ Rotherham, Rochdale, born here?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Were these vile individuals- Telford, and don’t forget the other ‘gangs’ Rotherham, Rochdale, born here? "

The majority were, unfortunately these cases or just the tip of the iceberg,

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By *ustintime69Man
over a year ago

Bristol

"Were these vile individuals- Telford, and don’t forget the other ‘gangs’ Rotherham, Rochdale, born here? "

I think you’ll find plenty of paedos, r*pists, murderers and drug dealers were born here too!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Were these vile individuals- Telford, and don’t forget the other ‘gangs’ Rotherham, Rochdale, born here?

I think you’ll find plenty of paedos, r*pists, murderers and drug dealers were born here too!"

Unfortunately, the overwhelming majority were born here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Asia has 60px of the worirls population. There are more Asians than men.

So why are these Asian grooming gangs, not make grooming gangs?

While not as extreme, almost a quarter of the world's population is Muslim. But that brush will be used before "male adult" gangs.

I agree that culture plays a huge part. But why stop at Asian, or Muslim, give that covers such vast and diverse populations.

Even Pakistani isn't really a specific enough term if, as I understand is the case, there are specific regions which are the hot bed for the issues.

The fact that we stop at Asian or Muslim rather than male is as much a reflection on us as anything.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Asia has 60px of the worirls population. There are more Asians than men.

So why are these Asian grooming gangs, not make grooming gangs?

While not as extreme, almost a quarter of the world's population is Muslim. But that brush will be used before "male adult" gangs.

I agree that culture plays a huge part. But why stop at Asian, or Muslim, give that covers such vast and diverse populations.

Even Pakistani isn't really a specific enough term if, as I understand is the case, there are specific regions which are the hot bed for the issues.

The fact that we stop at Asian or Muslim rather than male is as much a reflection on us as anything. "

The same reason why George Floyd case was a race issue of how white police treat black men. Because there is a cultural issue underlying both cases. And I don't see why you take world population for a problem that happened in UK.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The worst thing about this is that some grooming gang members have already finished their sentences and have been allowed to live near the same women they have abused. The women are now having to live through the trauma.

Some of them could be deported. But the deportation attempts failed, thanks to ECHR. One of these guys who was about to be deported willingly gave up Pakistani citizenship and claimed that he doesn't have anywhere to go.

I know some people worship the ECHR because human rights are important. The problem is ECHR was written many years back to help support refugees in terrible situations. It did not consider modern day problems in mind. As of now, most people understand the loopholes and have started exploiting them willingly. World changes. The laws also need to change accordingly.The ECHR needs a serious reform.

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over a year ago

"The worst thing about this is that some grooming gang members have already finished their sentences and have been allowed to live near the same women they have abused. The women are now having to live through the trauma.

Fact is, they outsmarted our government. Their citizenship should have been stripped from the moment they were found guilty.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

"The Daily Mail is not a reliable source.

Good job it’s in the Guardian then.

Does the Guardian article include the bit about "Exploitation was not investigated because of nervousness about race, because the perpetrators were mainly reported to be Asian men"?

Can you give us a link?

Do you believe this quote to be untrue because it's not from a reliable source?

It’s the usual “everything in the Mail is lies “ brigade.

Truly vile people, its disgusting that the authorities didn't do anything because of race sensitivity. They should all be sacked.

Its not even a particular religion, its mostly men from a particular small area of Pakistan ( Mirpur, Kashmir ) that seem to be the problem. A community that is prevalent in North England.

A MP,cant remember who talked about this years back. But was forced to apologise for speaking the truth. "

It was Sarah Champion, I believe.

Labour MP for Rotherham, on the front bench ( can't remember what position), and sacked from the front bench as soon as she spoke out about it.

Another Labour MP, Naz Shah, Bradford West, retweeted that the Rotherham grooming gang victims should shut their mouths for the sake of diversity.....she is now shadow minister for crime reduction.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

"Here we go,didn't take long

Explain why it is relevant ? "

Maybe because report after report cites asian grooming gangs and cultural differences?

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

"I not going to reply ,

As I know what your like,

Your not going to reply because you have no answer, what do

Gary Glitter

Jimmy Saville

Barry Bennel

Stuart Hall

Tim Westwood

Richard Huckle

Fred Talbot

Etc etc all have in common? "

Not members of grooming gangs?

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

"I not going to reply ,

As I know what your like,

Your not going to reply because you have no answer, what do

Gary Glitter

Jimmy Saville

Barry Bennel

Stuart Hall

Tim Westwood

Richard Huckle

Fred Talbot

Etc etc all have in common?

None of them groomed vulnerable young women & girls on an industrial scale?

They all did it on an industrial scale, I know what they have in common, they are all disgusting , filthy , child abusers

"Industrial scale"? Your definition of "industrial" is what exactly? Just another deflecting soundbite. Give it up mate.

Richard Huckle is the UKs worst child abuser, jimmy Saville abused over 200 people, Barry Bennel over 50 , shall I continue? "

Telford grooming gang over 1,000

Rotherham over 1,500

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over a year ago

"Need to learn from these very clear lessons and it should never happen again.

It would not bother me for sure if such people were castrated.

I agree, castrate them ‘all’ "

All and evèryone of those types.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We must,nt mention they were Asian on here,according to some people here

Who said you can’t mention they are ‘Asian’ , however, their ethnicity is irrelevant

The authorities are guilty of gross misconduct, just like they were with Saville etc, whoever dismissed these claims should be held accountable

I totally agree"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fact is, they outsmarted our government. Their citizenship should have been stripped from the moment they were found guilty.

This one particularly didn't. But the guy was married and had kids. ECHR has clauses to protect them from deportation for the reason that it "disproportionately affects their family life"

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over a year ago

"The Daily Mail is not a reliable source.

Good job it’s in the Guardian then.

Does the Guardian article include the bit about "Exploitation was not investigated because of nervousness about race, because the perpetrators were mainly reported to be Asian men"?

Can you give us a link?

Do you believe this quote to be untrue because it's not from a reliable source?

It’s the usual “everything in the Mail is lies “ brigade.

Truly vile people, its disgusting that the authorities didn't do anything because of race sensitivity. They should all be sacked.

Its not even a particular religion, its mostly men from a particular small area of Pakistan ( Mirpur, Kashmir ) that seem to be the problem. A community that is prevalent in North England.

A MP,cant remember who talked about this years back. But was forced to apologise for speaking the truth.

It was Sarah Champion, I believe.

Labour MP for Rotherham, on the front bench ( can't remember what position), and sacked from the front bench as soon as she spoke out about it.

Another Labour MP, Naz Shah, Bradford West, retweeted that the Rotherham grooming gang victims should shut their mouths for the sake of diversity.....she is now shadow minister for crime reduction."

Correct. I have seen the dark side of identity politics in many countries. But this thing what the labour party did ranks as one of the worst.

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By *iman2100Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"The Daily Mail is not a reliable source.

Good job it’s in the Guardian then.

Does the Guardian article include the bit about "Exploitation was not investigated because of nervousness about race, because the perpetrators were mainly reported to be Asian men"?

Can you give us a link?

Do you believe this quote to be untrue because it's not from a reliable source?

It’s the usual “everything in the Mail is lies “ brigade.

Truly vile people, its disgusting that the authorities didn't do anything because of race sensitivity. They should all be sacked.

Its not even a particular religion, its mostly men from a particular small area of Pakistan ( Mirpur, Kashmir ) that seem to be the problem. A community that is prevalent in North England.

A MP,cant remember who talked about this years back. But was forced to apologise for speaking the truth.

It was Sarah Champion, I believe.

Labour MP for Rotherham, on the front bench ( can't remember what position), and sacked from the front bench as soon as she spoke out about it.

Another Labour MP, Naz Shah, Bradford West, retweeted that the Rotherham grooming gang victims should shut their mouths for the sake of diversity.....she is now shadow minister for crime reduction.

Correct. I have seen the dark side of identity politics in many countries. But this thing what the labour party did ranks as one of the worst."

Do you have a lawyer? Be prepared after reading what happened to Leave.eu in the article below.

https://news.sky.com/story/leave-eu-apologises-to-labour-mp-naz-shah-for-calling-her-grooming-gang-apologist-12086617

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over a year ago

"The Daily Mail is not a reliable source.

Good job it’s in the Guardian then.

Does the Guardian article include the bit about "Exploitation was not investigated because of nervousness about race, because the perpetrators were mainly reported to be Asian men"?

Can you give us a link?

Do you believe this quote to be untrue because it's not from a reliable source?

It’s the usual “everything in the Mail is lies “ brigade.

Truly vile people, its disgusting that the authorities didn't do anything because of race sensitivity. They should all be sacked.

Its not even a particular religion, its mostly men from a particular small area of Pakistan ( Mirpur, Kashmir ) that seem to be the problem. A community that is prevalent in North England.

A MP,cant remember who talked about this years back. But was forced to apologise for speaking the truth.

It was Sarah Champion, I believe.

Labour MP for Rotherham, on the front bench ( can't remember what position), and sacked from the front bench as soon as she spoke out about it.

Another Labour MP, Naz Shah, Bradford West, retweeted that the Rotherham grooming gang victims should shut their mouths for the sake of diversity.....she is now shadow minister for crime reduction.

Correct. I have seen the dark side of identity politics in many countries. But this thing what the labour party did ranks as one of the worst.

Do you have a lawyer? Be prepared after reading what happened to Leave.eu in the article below.

https://news.sky.com/story/leave-eu-apologises-to-labour-mp-naz-shah-for-calling-her-grooming-gang-apologist-12086617"

I came across this news when it happened and I definitely found it weird. Politicians get called so many things some with factual basis and some without them. Not sure how this specific case resulted in a massive payout.

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By *uperStagandDoeCouple
over a year ago

South Wilts

I fear nothing much has changed. In 20 odd years.

Ghislaine Maxwell Was convicted of trafficking women from what I can see, but yet had no clients, how can you be convicted of trafficking to nobody.

Who were the clients of these gangs?

Is the timing of this horrific story just a diversion from something far more sinister? Can’t help but remember a story a while back saying that 54 MPs are being investigated for some sort of sexual offences. Where did that go?

I would like to think that this investigation of how these horrendous crimes were allowed to occur, will be used to prevent similar things happening in the future.

And those found out will face their day in court, even if you are rich enough to be able to pay off alleged victims with whom you have never met, because a) you don’t sweat and b) you have the means to pay millions of pounds in hush money.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"“ More than 1,000 children have been groomed in Telford, with obvious child sexual exploitation ignored by the authorities, an independent inquiry has found.”

What’s your thoughts? Are we so scared of being labelled racist we allow child grooming gangs to operate? Or is something else going on? "
this thread will go same way as the others on this subject wait for the jimmy savile and most abusers are white men some on here are already putting ALL in there posts lol

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over a year ago

Fact is, they outsmarted our government. Their citizenship should have been stripped from the moment they were found guilty.

This one particularly didn't. But the guy was married and had kids. ECHR has clauses to protect them from deportation for the reason that it "disproportionately affects their family life""
I thought it was about not making someone stateless that it got dropped. I suspect that the HO made a call without giving reasons...

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over a year ago

"“ More than 1,000 children have been groomed in Telford, with obvious child sexual exploitation ignored by the authorities, an independent inquiry has found.”

What’s your thoughts? Are we so scared of being labelled racist we allow child grooming gangs to operate? Or is something else going on? this thread will go same way as the others on this subject wait for the jimmy savile and most abusers are white men some on here are already putting ALL in there posts lol"

What are your thoughts on the OP ?

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"Here we go,didn't take long

Explain why it is relevant ? "
because it’s sexually and racially motivated attacks as almost all the victims are white

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over a year ago

"Here we go,didn't take long

Explain why it is relevant ? because it’s sexually and racially motivated attacks as almost all the victims are white "

I agree, statistics prove that most victims of child abuse in this country are white

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"Here we go,didn't take long

Explain why it is relevant ? because it’s sexually and racially motivated attacks as almost all the victims are white

I agree, statistics prove that most victims of child abuse in this country are white "
and here he is lol

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over a year ago

"Here we go,didn't take long

Explain why it is relevant ? because it’s sexually and racially motivated attacks as almost all the victims are white

I agree, statistics prove that most victims of child abuse in this country are white and here he is lol"

No offence mate but you can’t argue with facts , have you read the OP? What are your thoughts on it?

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over a year ago

"Here we go,didn't take long

Explain why it is relevant ? because it’s sexually and racially motivated attacks as almost all the victims are white "
that doesn't mean you need to use a race based label. And if you do, use one that helps add as much information as it can.

For a country that has spent the last few years distancing itself from its neighbours and embarcing its own identity, we certainly love grouping vast numbers of people into one label.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"Here we go,didn't take long

Explain why it is relevant ? because it’s sexually and racially motivated attacks as almost all the victims are white

I agree, statistics prove that most victims of child abuse in this country are white and here he is lol

No offence mate but you can’t argue with facts , have you read the OP? What are your thoughts on it? "
I think he’s pretty much spot on authority’s have been to scared to be labelled with the race card that’s why thousands of mainly white kids have been abused by massive gangs for decades it’s fucking disgusting mate

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over a year ago

"Here we go,didn't take long

Explain why it is relevant ? because it’s sexually and racially motivated attacks as almost all the victims are white

I agree, statistics prove that most victims of child abuse in this country are white and here he is lol

No offence mate but you can’t argue with facts , have you read the OP? What are your thoughts on it? I think he’s pretty much spot on authority’s have been to scared to be labelled with the race card that’s why thousands of mainly white kids have been abused by massive gangs for decades it’s fucking disgusting mate "
the fear of being labelled is part of the reason. Is anyone arguing that ?

But there were also huge huge failings that contributed.

The findings as so much more than just "scared if being labelled". The recent one has hundreds and hundreds of pages. Yet has been simplified into one headline on one element.

Given the vitriol aimed at the police normally, I am surprised at the free pass they get (from what I have skimmed so far it was teachers and similar who feared the racist label, not the police)

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over a year ago

"Here we go,didn't take long

Explain why it is relevant ? because it’s sexually and racially motivated attacks as almost all the victims are white

I agree, statistics prove that most victims of child abuse in this country are white and here he is lol

I agree, the authorities and the police let those children down, no excuses , they failed

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Here we go,didn't take long

Explain why it is relevant ? because it’s sexually and racially motivated attacks as almost all the victims are white

I agree, statistics prove that most victims of child abuse in this country are white and here he is lol

I agree, the authorities and the police let those children down, no excuses , they failed "

Did the parents also let them down?

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over a year ago

"Here we go,didn't take long

Explain why it is relevant ? because it’s sexually and racially motivated attacks as almost all the victims are white

I agree, statistics prove that most victims of child abuse in this country are white and here he is lol

I agree, the authorities and the police let those children down, no excuses , they failed

Did the parents also let them down?"

Possibly.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"Here we go,didn't take long

Explain why it is relevant ? because it’s sexually and racially motivated attacks as almost all the victims are white

I agree, statistics prove that most victims of child abuse in this country are white and here he is lol

I agree, the authorities and the police let those children down, no excuses , they failed

Did the parents also let them down?"
ffs don’t dare try to blame the parents instead of the perverted fucking rank twats who formed groups and trafficked these young kids all over the U.K. the fault lies with the gangs they are perverted racist cunts

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

"Here we go,didn't take long

Explain why it is relevant ? because it’s sexually and racially motivated attacks as almost all the victims are white

I agree, statistics prove that most victims of child abuse in this country are white and here he is lol

I agree, the authorities and the police let those children down, no excuses , they failed

Did the parents also let them down?"

That’s been on my mind but I didn’t want it to appear as a let off for real villains. Society or social issues perhaps?

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Here we go,didn't take long

Explain why it is relevant ? because it’s sexually and racially motivated attacks as almost all the victims are white

I agree, statistics prove that most victims of child abuse in this country are white and here he is lol

I agree, the authorities and the police let those children down, no excuses , they failed

Did the parents also let them down?

That’s been on my mind but I didn’t want it to appear as a let off for real villains. Society or social issues perhaps? "

It must be on everyones mind, well anyone that would notice something wasn't right with their children, I would have thought?

Not taking anything away from what happened here, but as no organisation wanted to say the obvious for fear of being labelled a racist, then surely this question is valid?

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Here we go,didn't take long

Explain why it is relevant ? because it’s sexually and racially motivated attacks as almost all the victims are white

I agree, statistics prove that most victims of child abuse in this country are white and here he is lol

I agree, the authorities and the police let those children down, no excuses , they failed

Did the parents also let them down?ffs don’t dare try to blame the parents instead of the perverted fucking rank twats who formed groups and trafficked these young kids all over the U.K. the fault lies with the gangs they are perverted racist cunts "

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over a year ago

"The Daily Mail is not a reliable source.

Good job it’s in the Guardian then.

Does the Guardian article include the bit about "Exploitation was not investigated because of nervousness about race, because the perpetrators were mainly reported to be Asian men"?

Can you give us a link?

Do you believe this quote to be untrue because it's not from a reliable source?

It’s the usual “everything in the Mail is lies “ brigade.

Truly vile people, its disgusting that the authorities didn't do anything because of race sensitivity. They should all be sacked.

Its not even a particular religion, its mostly men from a particular small area of Pakistan ( Mirpur, Kashmir ) that seem to be the problem. A community that is prevalent in North England.

A MP,cant remember who talked about this years back. But was forced to apologise for speaking the truth.

This was Ann Cryer, MP for Keighly , back in 2002.

She was approached by a group of mothers, complaining that their daughters were being approached and targeted by older men from Pakistan and Mirpur.

After gathering evidence, she went to the police with a list of some 65 men. The police did little.

The Labour Party, fearful of racist overtures, made her retract her claims and apologise.

We all know the rest.

Thank you for that. Its a disgrace to have to apologise for telling the truth.

Especially when this is a well known fact in so many Asian communities.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"Here we go,didn't take long

Explain why it is relevant ? because it’s sexually and racially motivated attacks as almost all the victims are white

I agree, statistics prove that most victims of child abuse in this country are white and here he is lol

I agree, the authorities and the police let those children down, no excuses , they failed

Did the parents also let them down?

That’s been on my mind but I didn’t want it to appear as a let off for real villains. Society or social issues perhaps?

It must be on everyones mind, well anyone that would notice something wasn't right with their children, I would have thought?

Not taking anything away from what happened here, but as no organisation wanted to say the obvious for fear of being labelled a racist, then surely this question is valid?"
what about the wives and family and friends of the Asian grooming gangs should they not of noticed something was wrong with there men then is that not a valid question rather than blaming the victims and there family why not blame the pervs and there families?

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"Here we go,didn't take long

Explain why it is relevant ? because it’s sexually and racially motivated attacks as almost all the victims are white

I agree, statistics prove that most victims of child abuse in this country are white and here he is lol

I agree, the authorities and the police let those children down, no excuses , they failed

You need to calm yourself down fella and think before you shout. I wasn't removing blame, I was asking whether there was some blame for lack of intervention from their parents. I would hope a parent would notice something was wrong with their child, drinking, being plied with drugs, surely that would be noticed? "
do you know where your kids are all the time ? Teenagers drink and have sex it’s the sign of the times but been trafficked and r@ped of gangs of men should not be ask how there own community family and friends didn’t know what these men where upto

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Here we go,didn't take long

Explain why it is relevant ? because it’s sexually and racially motivated attacks as almost all the victims are white

I agree, statistics prove that most victims of child abuse in this country are white and here he is lol

I agree, the authorities and the police let those children down, no excuses , they failed

You need to calm yourself down fella and think before you shout. I wasn't removing blame, I was asking whether there was some blame for lack of intervention from their parents. I would hope a parent would notice something was wrong with their child, drinking, being plied with drugs, surely that would be noticed? do you know where your kids are all the time ? Teenagers drink and have sex it’s the sign of the times but been trafficked and r@ped of gangs of men should not be ask how there own community family and friends didn’t know what these men where upto "

I agree that the families of the gang members should have be doing more, they would know that something wasn't right.

I have never blamed the victims, I'm blaming everyone around them, including their parents, if those parents had even the slightest worry something wasn't right.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"Here we go,didn't take long

Explain why it is relevant ? because it’s sexually and racially motivated attacks as almost all the victims are white

I agree, statistics prove that most victims of child abuse in this country are white and here he is lol

I agree, the authorities and the police let those children down, no excuses , they failed

You need to calm yourself down fella and think before you shout. I wasn't removing blame, I was asking whether there was some blame for lack of intervention from their parents. I would hope a parent would notice something was wrong with their child, drinking, being plied with drugs, surely that would be noticed? do you know where your kids are all the time ? Teenagers drink and have sex it’s the sign of the times but been trafficked and r@ped of gangs of men should not be ask how there own community family and friends didn’t know what these men where upto

I agree that the families of the gang members should have be doing more, they would know that something wasn't right.

I have never blamed the victims, I'm blaming everyone around them, including their parents, if those parents had even the slightest worry something wasn't right.

I'm also not interested in that nonsense that kids go out drinking, having sex and not coming home, as a reason for parents not knowing or realising that their children (still at school) were not acting like normal kids and doing something about it."
if you think teenagers don’t drink and have sex mate then you don’t know what normal is I doubt there’s anyone on fab that didn’t do atleast one of them as a teenager it’s not the victims fault mate it’s the perverted grooming gangs there organised and clever at what they do been doing it for decades

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Here we go,didn't take long

Explain why it is relevant ? because it’s sexually and racially motivated attacks as almost all the victims are white

I agree, statistics prove that most victims of child abuse in this country are white and here he is lol

I agree, the authorities and the police let those children down, no excuses , they failed

You need to calm yourself down fella and think before you shout. I wasn't removing blame, I was asking whether there was some blame for lack of intervention from their parents. I would hope a parent would notice something was wrong with their child, drinking, being plied with drugs, surely that would be noticed? do you know where your kids are all the time ? Teenagers drink and have sex it’s the sign of the times but been trafficked and r@ped of gangs of men should not be ask how there own community family and friends didn’t know what these men where upto

I agree that the families of the gang members should have be doing more, they would know that something wasn't right.

I have never blamed the victims, I'm blaming everyone around them, including their parents, if those parents had even the slightest worry something wasn't right.

I'm also not interested in that nonsense that kids go out drinking, having sex and not coming home, as a reason for parents not knowing or realising that their children (still at school) were not acting like normal kids and doing something about it.if you think teenagers don’t drink and have sex mate then you don’t know what normal is I doubt there’s anyone on fab that didn’t do atleast one of them as a teenager it’s not the victims fault mate it’s the perverted grooming gangs there organised and clever at what they do been doing it for decades "

I'm not denying that a teenager have a drink or have sex. What I am saying is, if a teenager is doing that all of the time, there is a problem. If a teenager stops acting like a normal teenager there is a problem. As a parent, I would want to know what was going on and do something about it.

Would you not want to know why your child was getting d*unk, taking drugs and not coming home at night, or would you seriously put it down to them being a teenager and let them get on with it?

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"Here we go,didn't take long

Explain why it is relevant ? because it’s sexually and racially motivated attacks as almost all the victims are white

I agree, statistics prove that most victims of child abuse in this country are white and here he is lol

I agree, the authorities and the police let those children down, no excuses , they failed

You need to calm yourself down fella and think before you shout. I wasn't removing blame, I was asking whether there was some blame for lack of intervention from their parents. I would hope a parent would notice something was wrong with their child, drinking, being plied with drugs, surely that would be noticed? do you know where your kids are all the time ? Teenagers drink and have sex it’s the sign of the times but been trafficked and r@ped of gangs of men should not be ask how there own community family and friends didn’t know what these men where upto

I agree that the families of the gang members should have be doing more, they would know that something wasn't right.

I have never blamed the victims, I'm blaming everyone around them, including their parents, if those parents had even the slightest worry something wasn't right.

I'm also not interested in that nonsense that kids go out drinking, having sex and not coming home, as a reason for parents not knowing or realising that their children (still at school) were not acting like normal kids and doing something about it.if you think teenagers don’t drink and have sex mate then you don’t know what normal is I doubt there’s anyone on fab that didn’t do atleast one of them as a teenager it’s not the victims fault mate it’s the perverted grooming gangs there organised and clever at what they do been doing it for decades

Would you not want to know why your child was getting d*unk, taking drugs and not coming home at night, or would you seriously put it down to them being a teenager and let them get on with it?

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ofcorse I’d want to know specially if they stayed out all night but I’m not sure how many or if any stayed out all night I’m saying it’s not there parents fault that there gangs of organised Asian men praying on there kids we should never try to blame anyone apart from the perpetrators of my house was burgled I wouldn’t expect someone to blame me for not haveing a dog the only blame is the scum doing this no one else mate

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"Here we go,didn't take long

Explain why it is relevant ? because it’s sexually and racially motivated attacks as almost all the victims are white

I agree, statistics prove that most victims of child abuse in this country are white and here he is lol

I agree, the authorities and the police let those children down, no excuses , they failed

Did the parents also let them down?

That’s been on my mind but I didn’t want it to appear as a let off for real villains. Society or social issues perhaps?

It must be on everyones mind, well anyone that would notice something wasn't right with their children, I would have thought?

Not taking anything away from what happened here, but as no organisation wanted to say the obvious for fear of being labelled a racist, then surely this question is valid? what about the wives and family and friends of the Asian grooming gangs should they not of noticed something was wrong with there men then is that not a valid question rather than blaming the victims and there family why not blame the pervs and there families?"

I assume you hold all perpetrators to the same standards?

For example. Royalty. Hold the family of Prince Andrew to account for the paedophilia and child sexual abuse. Hold his mother to account?