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"The difficulty is that the EU opened their borders, but didn't want those arriving. The immigrants in theory can settle in the first country that they come too, but none of those countries want them, so they end up in France adjacent to the Channel. Once there, the channel is the solution to the problem that the EU created. The French therefore assist the immigrants to the UK and it then becomes our problem rather than one of the EU. Ingenious really." Nice story. Did you think that up all by yourself? I doubt it. Look at how many refugees/asylum seekers are accepted into other European countries compared to the U.K. The actual facts turn your theory into fantasy pulled straight from the right wing Nationslist chat forums. | |||
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"The difficulty is that the EU opened their borders, but didn't want those arriving. The immigrants in theory can settle in the first country that they come too, but none of those countries want them, so they end up in France adjacent to the Channel. Once there, the channel is the solution to the problem that the EU created. The French therefore assist the immigrants to the UK and it then becomes our problem rather than one of the EU. Ingenious really. Nice story. Did you think that up all by yourself? I doubt it. Look at how many refugees/asylum seekers are accepted into other European countries compared to the U.K. The actual facts turn your theory into fantasy pulled straight from the right wing Nationslist chat forums." I really liked your earlier post but why have you brought ‘right wing’ into it? How does that explain the millions of traditional Labour voters that backed Johnson in Brexit and the last election? | |||
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"The difficulty is that the EU opened their borders, but didn't want those arriving. The immigrants in theory can settle in the first country that they come too, but none of those countries want them, so they end up in France adjacent to the Channel. Once there, the channel is the solution to the problem that the EU created. The French therefore assist the immigrants to the UK and it then becomes our problem rather than one of the EU. Ingenious really. Nice story. Did you think that up all by yourself? I doubt it. Look at how many refugees/asylum seekers are accepted into other European countries compared to the U.K. The actual facts turn your theory into fantasy pulled straight from the right wing Nationslist chat forums. I really liked your earlier post but why have you brought ‘right wing’ into it? How does that explain the millions of traditional Labour voters that backed Johnson in Brexit and the last election? " Just because traditional labour voters voted for it, doesnt mean it isnt a right wing policy Also brexit was not only about immigration | |||
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"The difficulty is that the EU opened their borders, but didn't want those arriving. The immigrants in theory can settle in the first country that they come too, but none of those countries want them, so they end up in France adjacent to the Channel. Once there, the channel is the solution to the problem that the EU created. The French therefore assist the immigrants to the UK and it then becomes our problem rather than one of the EU. Ingenious really. Nice story. Did you think that up all by yourself? I doubt it. Look at how many refugees/asylum seekers are accepted into other European countries compared to the U.K. The actual facts turn your theory into fantasy pulled straight from the right wing Nationslist chat forums. I really liked your earlier post but why have you brought ‘right wing’ into it? How does that explain the millions of traditional Labour voters that backed Johnson in Brexit and the last election? Just because traditional labour voters voted for it, doesnt mean it isnt a right wing policy Also brexit was not only about immigration" Who are these ‘right wingers’? | |||
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"The difficulty is that the EU opened their borders, but didn't want those arriving. The immigrants in theory can settle in the first country that they come too, but none of those countries want them, so they end up in France adjacent to the Channel. Once there, the channel is the solution to the problem that the EU created. The French therefore assist the immigrants to the UK and it then becomes our problem rather than one of the EU. Ingenious really. Nice story. Did you think that up all by yourself? I doubt it. Look at how many refugees/asylum seekers are accepted into other European countries compared to the U.K. The actual facts turn your theory into fantasy pulled straight from the right wing Nationslist chat forums. I really liked your earlier post but why have you brought ‘right wing’ into it? How does that explain the millions of traditional Labour voters that backed Johnson in Brexit and the last election? Just because traditional labour voters voted for it, doesnt mean it isnt a right wing policy Also brexit was not only about immigration Who are these ‘right wingers’? " Mo Salah is a right winger | |||
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"The difficulty is that the EU opened their borders, but didn't want those arriving. The immigrants in theory can settle in the first country that they come too, but none of those countries want them, so they end up in France adjacent to the Channel. Once there, the channel is the solution to the problem that the EU created. The French therefore assist the immigrants to the UK and it then becomes our problem rather than one of the EU. Ingenious really. Nice story. Did you think that up all by yourself? I doubt it. Look at how many refugees/asylum seekers are accepted into other European countries compared to the U.K. The actual facts turn your theory into fantasy pulled straight from the right wing Nationslist chat forums. I really liked your earlier post but why have you brought ‘right wing’ into it? How does that explain the millions of traditional Labour voters that backed Johnson in Brexit and the last election? Just because traditional labour voters voted for it, doesnt mean it isnt a right wing policy Also brexit was not only about immigration Who are these ‘right wingers’? Mo Salah is a right winger" Like it. However, I’m trying to relax before hitting the sack, and you’ve mentioned Salah. How can I sleep now? I can’t get over how Chelsea let him go. | |||
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"The difficulty is that the EU opened their borders, but didn't want those arriving. The immigrants in theory can settle in the first country that they come too, but none of those countries want them, so they end up in France adjacent to the Channel. Once there, the channel is the solution to the problem that the EU created. The French therefore assist the immigrants to the UK and it then becomes our problem rather than one of the EU. Ingenious really. Nice story. Did you think that up all by yourself? I doubt it. Look at how many refugees/asylum seekers are accepted into other European countries compared to the U.K. The actual facts turn your theory into fantasy pulled straight from the right wing Nationslist chat forums. I really liked your earlier post but why have you brought ‘right wing’ into it? How does that explain the millions of traditional Labour voters that backed Johnson in Brexit and the last election? " Because newspapers like the Mail and Express have spent decades demonising foreigners. It is a very sad, but true fact that in the modern world the lower end of the demographic scale in this country has becomes less mobile, less factually informed, more poorly educated and less well off. It’s not hard to tell someone who has nothing that outsiders are to blame for their ills. Tell them long enough and they will believe it. We went through all of this with poison that led to the Brexit vote. | |||
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"The difficulty is that the EU opened their borders, but didn't want those arriving. The immigrants in theory can settle in the first country that they come too, but none of those countries want them, so they end up in France adjacent to the Channel. Once there, the channel is the solution to the problem that the EU created. The French therefore assist the immigrants to the UK and it then becomes our problem rather than one of the EU. Ingenious really. Nice story. Did you think that up all by yourself? I doubt it. Look at how many refugees/asylum seekers are accepted into other European countries compared to the U.K. The actual facts turn your theory into fantasy pulled straight from the right wing Nationslist chat forums. I really liked your earlier post but why have you brought ‘right wing’ into it? How does that explain the millions of traditional Labour voters that backed Johnson in Brexit and the last election? Just because traditional labour voters voted for it, doesnt mean it isnt a right wing policy Also brexit was not only about immigration Who are these ‘right wingers’? " People that vote for right wing politics? There's a wee clue in the name. | |||
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"The difficulty is that the EU opened their borders, but didn't want those arriving. The immigrants in theory can settle in the first country that they come too, but none of those countries want them, so they end up in France adjacent to the Channel. Once there, the channel is the solution to the problem that the EU created. The French therefore assist the immigrants to the UK and it then becomes our problem rather than one of the EU. Ingenious really. Nice story. Did you think that up all by yourself? I doubt it. Look at how many refugees/asylum seekers are accepted into other European countries compared to the U.K. The actual facts turn your theory into fantasy pulled straight from the right wing Nationslist chat forums. I really liked your earlier post but why have you brought ‘right wing’ into it? How does that explain the millions of traditional Labour voters that backed Johnson in Brexit and the last election? Just because traditional labour voters voted for it, doesnt mean it isnt a right wing policy Also brexit was not only about immigration Who are these ‘right wingers’? People that vote for right wing politics? There's a wee clue in the name. " I don't want to put words in OPS mouth, but I think what he's getting at is why is right-wing used as a interchangeable term for racist when being right-wing strictly speaking is an economic position. You could be a right-wing libertarian who believes in absolutely no government interference in the economy and complete faith in a free market and believe that part of that completely free market is open borders. Maybe I'm completely misinterpreting what he's getting at though | |||
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"The difficulty is that the EU opened their borders, but didn't want those arriving. The immigrants in theory can settle in the first country that they come too, but none of those countries want them, so they end up in France adjacent to the Channel. Once there, the channel is the solution to the problem that the EU created. The French therefore assist the immigrants to the UK and it then becomes our problem rather than one of the EU. Ingenious really. Nice story. Did you think that up all by yourself? I doubt it. Look at how many refugees/asylum seekers are accepted into other European countries compared to the U.K. The actual facts turn your theory into fantasy pulled straight from the right wing Nationslist chat forums. I really liked your earlier post but why have you brought ‘right wing’ into it? How does that explain the millions of traditional Labour voters that backed Johnson in Brexit and the last election? Just because traditional labour voters voted for it, doesnt mean it isnt a right wing policy Also brexit was not only about immigration Who are these ‘right wingers’? People that vote for right wing politics? There's a wee clue in the name. " Conservative voters then? | |||
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"The difficulty is that the EU opened their borders, but didn't want those arriving. The immigrants in theory can settle in the first country that they come too, but none of those countries want them, so they end up in France adjacent to the Channel. Once there, the channel is the solution to the problem that the EU created. The French therefore assist the immigrants to the UK and it then becomes our problem rather than one of the EU. Ingenious really. Nice story. Did you think that up all by yourself? I doubt it. Look at how many refugees/asylum seekers are accepted into other European countries compared to the U.K. The actual facts turn your theory into fantasy pulled straight from the right wing Nationslist chat forums. I really liked your earlier post but why have you brought ‘right wing’ into it? How does that explain the millions of traditional Labour voters that backed Johnson in Brexit and the last election? Just because traditional labour voters voted for it, doesnt mean it isnt a right wing policy Also brexit was not only about immigration Who are these ‘right wingers’? People that vote for right wing politics? There's a wee clue in the name. Conservative voters then? " Not gonna lie this feels a lot like a sealioning tactic to bait someone into a gotcha moment of some kind. | |||
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"The difficulty is that the EU opened their borders, but didn't want those arriving. The immigrants in theory can settle in the first country that they come too, but none of those countries want them, so they end up in France adjacent to the Channel. Once there, the channel is the solution to the problem that the EU created. The French therefore assist the immigrants to the UK and it then becomes our problem rather than one of the EU. Ingenious really. Nice story. Did you think that up all by yourself? I doubt it. Look at how many refugees/asylum seekers are accepted into other European countries compared to the U.K. The actual facts turn your theory into fantasy pulled straight from the right wing Nationslist chat forums. I really liked your earlier post but why have you brought ‘right wing’ into it? How does that explain the millions of traditional Labour voters that backed Johnson in Brexit and the last election? Just because traditional labour voters voted for it, doesnt mean it isnt a right wing policy Also brexit was not only about immigration Who are these ‘right wingers’? People that vote for right wing politics? There's a wee clue in the name. Conservative voters then? Not gonna lie this feels a lot like a sealioning tactic to bait someone into a gotcha moment of some kind." No, far from it. That’s not my nature. I’m genuinely puzzled as to who ‘right wingers’ are. I suppose there are a few nutters about, just as there are some people that dislike anyone from abroad. I do find it odd that people on here blame Sun & Mail readers for everything, assuming they are thick (Sun) or elderly and gullible (Mail) people really do exaggerate the influence of newspapers that have a fraction of the readership compared to decades back. Or they are just pulling out a tired old cliche in n the belief it makes them look clever. Mind you, I’m also confused at the almost ‘cult like’ following that Johnson has with otherwise quite bright people. They feel he has been hard done by and ignore the constant lies and bullshit that he spouts. | |||
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"Mexico US borders are inundated with immigrants. Texas governor sent out the national guard with orders to return immigrants to Mexican border. " And why? because Biden has a record HIGH of stopping migrants at the border... It is the GOP trying to rewrite the narrative. | |||
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"Mexico US borders are inundated with immigrants. Texas governor sent out the national guard with orders to return immigrants to Mexican border. " Interesting, so does that mean Americans are xenophobic racists? China has an impact here. They have sucked all of the manufacturing jobs from most of the world. Add to that growing population in warmer countries and it’s a perfect storm . People with little hope and nothing to do. One of the saddest observations is the African guys in French, Spanish, Italian holiday resorts, dodging the police to sell fake goods & trinkets, all made in Asia, mainly China. Nothing made in their own countries. | |||
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"Mexico US borders are inundated with immigrants. Texas governor sent out the national guard with orders to return immigrants to Mexican border. And why? because Biden has a record HIGH of stopping migrants at the border... It is the GOP trying to rewrite the narrative." isn't vetting process warranted yes or no? | |||
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"My heart and mind is open and liberal. At heart I believe in no borders. I am not a right wing Daily Mail reading fascist. I get immigration, I assume most people do? What worries me is tens of thousands of young men moving from another continent, as we are led to believe without documentation. We have no idea if they are great people or just mad or bad. There are many aspects of the multi culti world that I like & enjoy. Should we be concerned of colonisation? Should we worry that the number one baby male name last year was Mohammed? Should we just keep quiet from fear of being branded a racist? Perhaps it’s wrong also to worry that our next PM , just like the outgoing one is not wedded to this country? Economic chancers that will move / settle wherever they feel suits them best. " It's very simple really. Do you feel you should personally be able to move to any country in the world and live and work there ? I do. Which ultimately means not denying others the right to do the same. | |||
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"Mexico US borders are inundated with immigrants. Texas governor sent out the national guard with orders to return immigrants to Mexican border. And why? because Biden has a record HIGH of stopping migrants at the border... It is the GOP trying to rewrite the narrative. isn't vetting process warranted yes or no? " Strawman, vetting has nothing to do with Abbot Sending the national guard to return people to the border. | |||
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"The difficulty is that the EU opened their borders, but didn't want those arriving. The immigrants in theory can settle in the first country that they come too, but none of those countries want them, so they end up in France adjacent to the Channel. Once there, the channel is the solution to the problem that the EU created. The French therefore assist the immigrants to the UK and it then becomes our problem rather than one of the EU. Ingenious really. Nice story. Did you think that up all by yourself? I doubt it. Look at how many refugees/asylum seekers are accepted into other European countries compared to the U.K. The actual facts turn your theory into fantasy pulled straight from the right wing Nationslist chat forums. I really liked your earlier post but why have you brought ‘right wing’ into it? How does that explain the millions of traditional Labour voters that backed Johnson in Brexit and the last election? Just because traditional labour voters voted for it, doesnt mean it isnt a right wing policy Also brexit was not only about immigration Who are these ‘right wingers’? People that vote for right wing politics? There's a wee clue in the name. Conservative voters then? " They would be right wing yes. Along with UKIP, BNP, Reform, whatever shite Lawrence fox is peddling these days. The policies are a dead give away, but the language they use is usually pretty decent indicator if their leaning too. If it looks and sounds fascist it usually is. | |||
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"My heart and mind is open and liberal. At heart I believe in no borders. I am not a right wing Daily Mail reading fascist. I get immigration, I assume most people do? What worries me is tens of thousands of young men moving from another continent, as we are led to believe without documentation. We have no idea if they are great people or just mad or bad. There are many aspects of the multi culti world that I like & enjoy. Should we be concerned of colonisation? Should we worry that the number one baby male name last year was Mohammed? Should we just keep quiet from fear of being branded a racist? Perhaps it’s wrong also to worry that our next PM , just like the outgoing one is not wedded to this country? Economic chancers that will move / settle wherever they feel suits them best. It's very simple really. Do you feel you should personally be able to move to any country in the world and live and work there ? I do. Which ultimately means not denying others the right to do the same." In theory and in my heart I do. In reality though? I want to move to France. | |||
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"China has an impact here. They have sucked all of the manufacturing jobs from most of the world." It was western companies which outsourced their manufacturing overseas. Cheaper labour costs and higher ROI. Driven by shareholders. | |||
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"Mexico US borders are inundated with immigrants. Texas governor sent out the national guard with orders to return immigrants to Mexican border. And why? because Biden has a record HIGH of stopping migrants at the border... It is the GOP trying to rewrite the narrative. isn't vetting process warranted yes or no? Strawman, vetting has nothing to do with Abbot Sending the national guard to return people to the border." it's is again I ask is vetting a better process than just letting immigration just happen . | |||
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"Mexico US borders are inundated with immigrants. Texas governor sent out the national guard with orders to return immigrants to Mexican border. And why? because Biden has a record HIGH of stopping migrants at the border... It is the GOP trying to rewrite the narrative. isn't vetting process warranted yes or no? Strawman, vetting has nothing to do with Abbot Sending the national guard to return people to the border. it's is again I ask is vetting a better process than just letting immigration just happen . " Vetting is the immigration that happens right now | |||
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"China has an impact here. They have sucked all of the manufacturing jobs from most of the world. It was western companies which outsourced their manufacturing overseas. Cheaper labour costs and higher ROI. Driven by shareholders. " And? | |||
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"Mexico US borders are inundated with immigrants. Texas governor sent out the national guard with orders to return immigrants to Mexican border. And why? because Biden has a record HIGH of stopping migrants at the border... It is the GOP trying to rewrite the narrative. isn't vetting process warranted yes or no? Strawman, vetting has nothing to do with Abbot Sending the national guard to return people to the border. it's is again I ask is vetting a better process than just letting immigration just happen . Vetting is the immigration that happens right now" Vetting is a valid reason 9/11 ring a bell ? Send them back until you can verify is that so ridiculous? | |||
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"My heart and mind is open and liberal. At heart I believe in no borders. I am not a right wing Daily Mail reading fascist. I get immigration, I assume most people do? What worries me is tens of thousands of young men moving from another continent, as we are led to believe without documentation. We have no idea if they are great people or just mad or bad. There are many aspects of the multi culti world that I like & enjoy. Should we be concerned of colonisation? Should we worry that the number one baby male name last year was Mohammed? Should we just keep quiet from fear of being branded a racist? Perhaps it’s wrong also to worry that our next PM , just like the outgoing one is not wedded to this country? Economic chancers that will move / settle wherever they feel suits them best. " Are you worried about the number one baby male name being Mohammed ? | |||
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"Mexico US borders are inundated with immigrants. Texas governor sent out the national guard with orders to return immigrants to Mexican border. And why? because Biden has a record HIGH of stopping migrants at the border... It is the GOP trying to rewrite the narrative. isn't vetting process warranted yes or no? Strawman, vetting has nothing to do with Abbot Sending the national guard to return people to the border. it's is again I ask is vetting a better process than just letting immigration just happen . Vetting is the immigration that happens right now Vetting is a valid reason 9/11 ring a bell ? Send them back until you can verify is that so ridiculous?" The 9/11 terrorist were from Mexico,  | |||
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"My heart and mind is open and liberal. At heart I believe in no borders. I am not a right wing Daily Mail reading fascist. I get immigration, I assume most people do? What worries me is tens of thousands of young men moving from another continent, as we are led to believe without documentation. We have no idea if they are great people or just mad or bad. There are many aspects of the multi culti world that I like & enjoy. Should we be concerned of colonisation? Should we worry that the number one baby male name last year was Mohammed? Should we just keep quiet from fear of being branded a racist? Perhaps it’s wrong also to worry that our next PM , just like the outgoing one is not wedded to this country? Economic chancers that will move / settle wherever they feel suits them best. Are you worried about the number one baby male name being Mohammed ? " Yes I am. Am I a racist? | |||
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"My heart and mind is open and liberal. At heart I believe in no borders. I am not a right wing Daily Mail reading fascist. I get immigration, I assume most people do? What worries me is tens of thousands of young men moving from another continent, as we are led to believe without documentation. We have no idea if they are great people or just mad or bad. There are many aspects of the multi culti world that I like & enjoy. Should we be concerned of colonisation? Should we worry that the number one baby male name last year was Mohammed? Should we just keep quiet from fear of being branded a racist? Perhaps it’s wrong also to worry that our next PM , just like the outgoing one is not wedded to this country? Economic chancers that will move / settle wherever they feel suits them best. Are you worried about the number one baby male name being Mohammed ? Yes I am. Am I a racist? " Why does it concern you? Have you looked at the reasons why this might be the case? | |||
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"Mexico US borders are inundated with immigrants. Texas governor sent out the national guard with orders to return immigrants to Mexican border. And why? because Biden has a record HIGH of stopping migrants at the border... It is the GOP trying to rewrite the narrative. isn't vetting process warranted yes or no? Strawman, vetting has nothing to do with Abbot Sending the national guard to return people to the border. it's is again I ask is vetting a better process than just letting immigration just happen . Vetting is the immigration that happens right now Vetting is a valid reason 9/11 ring a bell ? Send them back until you can verify is that so ridiculous? The 9/11 terrorist were from Mexico, "Rather be safe then going blindly into a situation like that again. DHS snagged plenty of other foreign nationals coming thru the Mexican border have they not ?. | |||
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"Mexico US borders are inundated with immigrants. Texas governor sent out the national guard with orders to return immigrants to Mexican border. And why? because Biden has a record HIGH of stopping migrants at the border... It is the GOP trying to rewrite the narrative. isn't vetting process warranted yes or no? Strawman, vetting has nothing to do with Abbot Sending the national guard to return people to the border. it's is again I ask is vetting a better process than just letting immigration just happen . Vetting is the immigration that happens right now Vetting is a valid reason 9/11 ring a bell ? Send them back until you can verify is that so ridiculous?" Like I said that's how it works now... And considering that the VAST majority of terrorist threats in the USA come from domestic white supremacist groups. Yeah using terrorism in an immigration argument is a little daft. | |||
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"My heart and mind is open and liberal. At heart I believe in no borders. I am not a right wing Daily Mail reading fascist. I get immigration, I assume most people do? What worries me is tens of thousands of young men moving from another continent, as we are led to believe without documentation. We have no idea if they are great people or just mad or bad. There are many aspects of the multi culti world that I like & enjoy. Should we be concerned of colonisation? Should we worry that the number one baby male name last year was Mohammed? Should we just keep quiet from fear of being branded a racist? Perhaps it’s wrong also to worry that our next PM , just like the outgoing one is not wedded to this country? Economic chancers that will move / settle wherever they feel suits them best. Are you worried about the number one baby male name being Mohammed ? Yes I am. Am I a racist? " if that is genuinely true... Yes. | |||
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"Mexico US borders are inundated with immigrants. Texas governor sent out the national guard with orders to return immigrants to Mexican border. And why? because Biden has a record HIGH of stopping migrants at the border... It is the GOP trying to rewrite the narrative. isn't vetting process warranted yes or no? Strawman, vetting has nothing to do with Abbot Sending the national guard to return people to the border. it's is again I ask is vetting a better process than just letting immigration just happen . Vetting is the immigration that happens right now Vetting is a valid reason 9/11 ring a bell ? Send them back until you can verify is that so ridiculous? The 9/11 terrorist were from Mexico,
Rather be safe then going blindly into a situation like that again. DHS snagged plenty of other foreign nationals coming thru the Mexican border have they not ?."l your assumption of it's just " Mexicans" kind of paints you as a racist. Most are from Venezuela. Soo? Your retort again ? | |||
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"Mexico US borders are inundated with immigrants. Texas governor sent out the national guard with orders to return immigrants to Mexican border. And why? because Biden has a record HIGH of stopping migrants at the border... It is the GOP trying to rewrite the narrative. isn't vetting process warranted yes or no? Strawman, vetting has nothing to do with Abbot Sending the national guard to return people to the border. it's is again I ask is vetting a better process than just letting immigration just happen . Vetting is the immigration that happens right now Vetting is a valid reason 9/11 ring a bell ? Send them back until you can verify is that so ridiculous? The 9/11 terrorist were from Mexico,
Rather be safe then going blindly into a situation like that again. DHS snagged plenty of other foreign nationals coming thru the Mexican border have they not ?."Plenty more Americans get killed every year by other Americans with guns and died on 9/11. If protecting people is your biggest concern then immigration should be way way way down on your list. | |||
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"My heart and mind is open and liberal. At heart I believe in no borders. I am not a right wing Daily Mail reading fascist. I get immigration, I assume most people do? What worries me is tens of thousands of young men moving from another continent, as we are led to believe without documentation. We have no idea if they are great people or just mad or bad. There are many aspects of the multi culti world that I like & enjoy. Should we be concerned of colonisation? Should we worry that the number one baby male name last year was Mohammed? Should we just keep quiet from fear of being branded a racist? Perhaps it’s wrong also to worry that our next PM , just like the outgoing one is not wedded to this country? Economic chancers that will move / settle wherever they feel suits them best. Are you worried about the number one baby male name being Mohammed ? Yes I am. Am I a racist? if that is genuinely true... Yes." Please explain. | |||
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"Mexico US borders are inundated with immigrants. Texas governor sent out the national guard with orders to return immigrants to Mexican border. And why? because Biden has a record HIGH of stopping migrants at the border... It is the GOP trying to rewrite the narrative. isn't vetting process warranted yes or no? Strawman, vetting has nothing to do with Abbot Sending the national guard to return people to the border. it's is again I ask is vetting a better process than just letting immigration just happen . Vetting is the immigration that happens right now Vetting is a valid reason 9/11 ring a bell ? Send them back until you can verify is that so ridiculous? The 9/11 terrorist were from Mexico,
Rather be safe then going blindly into a situation like that again. DHS snagged plenty of other foreign nationals coming thru the Mexican border have they not ?."We’re the 9/11 terrorists Mexican ? | |||
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"Mexico US borders are inundated with immigrants. Texas governor sent out the national guard with orders to return immigrants to Mexican border. And why? because Biden has a record HIGH of stopping migrants at the border... It is the GOP trying to rewrite the narrative. isn't vetting process warranted yes or no? Strawman, vetting has nothing to do with Abbot Sending the national guard to return people to the border. it's is again I ask is vetting a better process than just letting immigration just happen . Vetting is the immigration that happens right now Vetting is a valid reason 9/11 ring a bell ? Send them back until you can verify is that so ridiculous? The 9/11 terrorist were from Mexico,
Rather be safe then going blindly into a situation like that again. DHS snagged plenty of other foreign nationals coming thru the Mexican border have they not ?.
Plenty more Americans get killed every year by other Americans with guns and died on 9/11. If protecting people is your biggest concern then immigration should be way way way down on your list.". Lol gun debate it always happens when I speak my mind. If you want that debate I will oblige. This is about immigration is it not ? Start a new thread if that is all you have Is guns. | |||
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"My heart and mind is open and liberal. At heart I believe in no borders. I am not a right wing Daily Mail reading fascist. I get immigration, I assume most people do? What worries me is tens of thousands of young men moving from another continent, as we are led to believe without documentation. We have no idea if they are great people or just mad or bad. There are many aspects of the multi culti world that I like & enjoy. Should we be concerned of colonisation? Should we worry that the number one baby male name last year was Mohammed? Should we just keep quiet from fear of being branded a racist? Perhaps it’s wrong also to worry that our next PM , just like the outgoing one is not wedded to this country? Economic chancers that will move / settle wherever they feel suits them best. Are you worried about the number one baby male name being Mohammed ? Yes I am. Am I a racist? if that is genuinely true... Yes. Please explain." It might help if you explain why it concerns you? | |||
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"My heart and mind is open and liberal. At heart I believe in no borders. I am not a right wing Daily Mail reading fascist. I get immigration, I assume most people do? What worries me is tens of thousands of young men moving from another continent, as we are led to believe without documentation. We have no idea if they are great people or just mad or bad. There are many aspects of the multi culti world that I like & enjoy. Should we be concerned of colonisation? Should we worry that the number one baby male name last year was Mohammed? Should we just keep quiet from fear of being branded a racist? Perhaps it’s wrong also to worry that our next PM , just like the outgoing one is not wedded to this country? Economic chancers that will move / settle wherever they feel suits them best. Are you worried about the number one baby male name being Mohammed ? Yes I am. Am I a racist? if that is genuinely true... Yes." Surely it would be more Islamophobic than racist (not saying you're either OP). Mohammed is a Muslim name and Islam is a religion not a race | |||
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"Mexico US borders are inundated with immigrants. Texas governor sent out the national guard with orders to return immigrants to Mexican border. And why? because Biden has a record HIGH of stopping migrants at the border... It is the GOP trying to rewrite the narrative. isn't vetting process warranted yes or no? Strawman, vetting has nothing to do with Abbot Sending the national guard to return people to the border. it's is again I ask is vetting a better process than just letting immigration just happen . Vetting is the immigration that happens right now Vetting is a valid reason 9/11 ring a bell ? Send them back until you can verify is that so ridiculous? The 9/11 terrorist were from Mexico,
Rather be safe then going blindly into a situation like that again. DHS snagged plenty of other foreign nationals coming thru the Mexican border have they not ?.
Plenty more Americans get killed every year by other Americans with guns and died on 9/11. If protecting people is your biggest concern then immigration should be way way way down on your list.. Lol gun debate it always happens when I speak my mind. If you want that debate I will oblige. This is about immigration is it not ? Start a new thread if that is all you have Is guns."Im Scottish, we don't have guns. We got rid of them the first time someone shot up a school. Its a valid point. You mention immigration as security concern, so why is that element of security and even linked it to 9/11. Why is one type of security more important than the other if it isn't racially motivated? | |||
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"Mexico US borders are inundated with immigrants. Texas governor sent out the national guard with orders to return immigrants to Mexican border. And why? because Biden has a record HIGH of stopping migrants at the border... It is the GOP trying to rewrite the narrative. isn't vetting process warranted yes or no? Strawman, vetting has nothing to do with Abbot Sending the national guard to return people to the border. it's is again I ask is vetting a better process than just letting immigration just happen . Vetting is the immigration that happens right now Vetting is a valid reason 9/11 ring a bell ? Send them back until you can verify is that so ridiculous? The 9/11 terrorist were from Mexico,
Rather be safe then going blindly into a situation like that again. DHS snagged plenty of other foreign nationals coming thru the Mexican border have they not ?.
We’re the 9/11 terrorists Mexican ? "Has DHS and border patrol caught other foreign nationals ? Yes they have. | |||
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"Mexico US borders are inundated with immigrants. Texas governor sent out the national guard with orders to return immigrants to Mexican border. And why? because Biden has a record HIGH of stopping migrants at the border... It is the GOP trying to rewrite the narrative. isn't vetting process warranted yes or no? Strawman, vetting has nothing to do with Abbot Sending the national guard to return people to the border. it's is again I ask is vetting a better process than just letting immigration just happen . Vetting is the immigration that happens right now Vetting is a valid reason 9/11 ring a bell ? Send them back until you can verify is that so ridiculous? The 9/11 terrorist were from Mexico,
Rather be safe then going blindly into a situation like that again. DHS snagged plenty of other foreign nationals coming thru the Mexican border have they not ?.
Plenty more Americans get killed every year by other Americans with guns and died on 9/11. If protecting people is your biggest concern then immigration should be way way way down on your list.. Lol gun debate it always happens when I speak my mind. If you want that debate I will oblige. This is about immigration is it not ? Start a new thread if that is all you have Is guns."You made the argument about American lives, that opens the door to guns in the debate. If you don't want guns in the debate, don't make the argument about american lives. | |||
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"Mexico US borders are inundated with immigrants. Texas governor sent out the national guard with orders to return immigrants to Mexican border. And why? because Biden has a record HIGH of stopping migrants at the border... It is the GOP trying to rewrite the narrative. isn't vetting process warranted yes or no? Strawman, vetting has nothing to do with Abbot Sending the national guard to return people to the border. it's is again I ask is vetting a better process than just letting immigration just happen . Vetting is the immigration that happens right now Vetting is a valid reason 9/11 ring a bell ? Send them back until you can verify is that so ridiculous? The 9/11 terrorist were from Mexico,
Rather be safe then going blindly into a situation like that again. DHS snagged plenty of other foreign nationals coming thru the Mexican border have they not ?.
Plenty more Americans get killed every year by other Americans with guns and died on 9/11. If protecting people is your biggest concern then immigration should be way way way down on your list.. Lol gun debate it always happens when I speak my mind. If you want that debate I will oblige. This is about immigration is it not ? Start a new thread if that is all you have Is guns.
You made the argument about American lives, that opens the door to guns in the debate.
If you don't want guns in the debate, don't make the argument about american lives.". Immigrants are not American citizens now are they? Like I said you want a debate on a separate issue you feel like you have to . Post it otherwise it's a immigration post not a American gun issue now is it? Op stated " immigration" . Yet now it's a American gun issue. Wake up on your ignorance. Blaming someone else. | |||
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"My heart and mind is open and liberal. At heart I believe in no borders. I am not a right wing Daily Mail reading fascist. I get immigration, I assume most people do? What worries me is tens of thousands of young men moving from another continent, as we are led to believe without documentation. We have no idea if they are great people or just mad or bad. There are many aspects of the multi culti world that I like & enjoy. Should we be concerned of colonisation? Should we worry that the number one baby male name last year was Mohammed? Should we just keep quiet from fear of being branded a racist? Perhaps it’s wrong also to worry that our next PM , just like the outgoing one is not wedded to this country? Economic chancers that will move / settle wherever they feel suits them best. Are you worried about the number one baby male name being Mohammed ? Yes I am. Am I a racist? " Concern by itself doesn't make you racist. But the underlying reasons why you're so concerned probably have to do with who you imagine "Mohammed" is, which is getting in to racist territory. If it isn't racist, its just fucking weird to be that concerned with that the most popular baby names are. | |||
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"Mexico US borders are inundated with immigrants. Texas governor sent out the national guard with orders to return immigrants to Mexican border. And why? because Biden has a record HIGH of stopping migrants at the border... It is the GOP trying to rewrite the narrative. isn't vetting process warranted yes or no? Strawman, vetting has nothing to do with Abbot Sending the national guard to return people to the border. it's is again I ask is vetting a better process than just letting immigration just happen . Vetting is the immigration that happens right now Vetting is a valid reason 9/11 ring a bell ? Send them back until you can verify is that so ridiculous? The 9/11 terrorist were from Mexico,
Rather be safe then going blindly into a situation like that again. DHS snagged plenty of other foreign nationals coming thru the Mexican border have they not ?.
Plenty more Americans get killed every year by other Americans with guns and died on 9/11. If protecting people is your biggest concern then immigration should be way way way down on your list.. Lol gun debate it always happens when I speak my mind. If you want that debate I will oblige. This is about immigration is it not ? Start a new thread if that is all you have Is guns.
You made the argument about American lives, that opens the door to guns in the debate.
If you don't want guns in the debate, don't make the argument about american lives.. Immigrants are not American citizens now are they? Like I said you want a debate on a separate issue you feel like you have to . Post it otherwise it's a immigration post not a American gun issue now is it? Op stated " immigration" . Yet now it's a American gun issue. Wake up on your ignorance. Blaming someone else."So you're not actually concerned about Americans dying, so much as the birth country of whos doing the killing? Weird stance. | |||
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"Immigrants are not American citizens now are they? Like I said you want a debate on a separate issue you feel like you have to . Post it otherwise it's a immigration post not a American gun issue now is it? Op stated " immigration" . Yet now it's a American gun issue. Wake up on your ignorance. Blaming someone else." Again you made it about american lives when you brought 9/11 into it. This opens the doors to guns, if you do not like that then don't open the door. You do not to dismiss valid arguments when you don;t like them | |||
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""Left wing" and "Right wing" are the most misused terms in political debates. I have used it myself. Traditionally, right wingers believe in less government intervention in economy and low taxes. Left wingers believe in more government intervention and high tax economy, the extreme version of which is socialism. People with concerns around immigration can be on either side. Denmark's ruling party is left wing but takes a strict stance on immigration. Tories are right wing while also taking a strict stance on immigration. This really annoys me too. People claiming racism is an exclusively Right-Wing or that right-wing and racist are interchangeable terms. A lot of Communist governments, which by default are as left-wing as its possible to be economically, had extremely racist policies " I havent seen anyone claiming that here. If you want to you will find examples on both sides to suit any argument you want to make, but the balance of averages show right wing policies to be far more exclusionary than left policies. That brings racism with it. | |||
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""Left wing" and "Right wing" are the most misused terms in political debates. I have used it myself. Traditionally, right wingers believe in less government intervention in economy and low taxes. Left wingers believe in more government intervention and high tax economy, the extreme version of which is socialism. People with concerns around immigration can be on either side. Denmark's ruling party is left wing but takes a strict stance on immigration. Tories are right wing while also taking a strict stance on immigration. This really annoys me too. People claiming racism is an exclusively Right-Wing or that right-wing and racist are interchangeable terms. A lot of Communist governments, which by default are as left-wing as its possible to be economically, had extremely racist policies " That doesn’t apply in a democratic country | |||
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""Left wing" and "Right wing" are the most misused terms in political debates. I have used it myself. Traditionally, right wingers believe in less government intervention in economy and low taxes. Left wingers believe in more government intervention and high tax economy, the extreme version of which is socialism. People with concerns around immigration can be on either side. Denmark's ruling party is left wing but takes a strict stance on immigration. Tories are right wing while also taking a strict stance on immigration. This really annoys me too. People claiming racism is an exclusively Right-Wing or that right-wing and racist are interchangeable terms. A lot of Communist governments, which by default are as left-wing as its possible to be economically, had extremely racist policies " Agreed. What annoys me even more is that everyone trying to classify themselves and others into one of these groups, mostly thanks to polarised mindsets created by the internet. The moment you take a stance on a single issue, you will be branded a snowflake or bigot by either side. I have been called both, the former when I was criticising the state of gun laws in the US and the latter when I pointed out the problems with a particular religion(I have criticism against all religions except Jainism which has been historically the most peaceful religion) | |||
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""Left wing" and "Right wing" are the most misused terms in political debates. I have used it myself. Traditionally, right wingers believe in less government intervention in economy and low taxes. Left wingers believe in more government intervention and high tax economy, the extreme version of which is socialism. People with concerns around immigration can be on either side. Denmark's ruling party is left wing but takes a strict stance on immigration. Tories are right wing while also taking a strict stance on immigration. This really annoys me too. People claiming racism is an exclusively Right-Wing or that right-wing and racist are interchangeable terms. A lot of Communist governments, which by default are as left-wing as its possible to be economically, had extremely racist policies I havent seen anyone claiming that here. If you want to you will find examples on both sides to suit any argument you want to make, but the balance of averages show right wing policies to be far more exclusionary than left policies. That brings racism with it. " What is a right wing exclusionary policy and where does racism come in to it? | |||
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""Left wing" and "Right wing" are the most misused terms in political debates. I have used it myself. Traditionally, right wingers believe in less government intervention in economy and low taxes. Left wingers believe in more government intervention and high tax economy, the extreme version of which is socialism. People with concerns around immigration can be on either side. Denmark's ruling party is left wing but takes a strict stance on immigration. Tories are right wing while also taking a strict stance on immigration. This really annoys me too. People claiming racism is an exclusively Right-Wing or that right-wing and racist are interchangeable terms. A lot of Communist governments, which by default are as left-wing as its possible to be economically, had extremely racist policies I havent seen anyone claiming that here. If you want to you will find examples on both sides to suit any argument you want to make, but the balance of averages show right wing policies to be far more exclusionary than left policies. That brings racism with it. What is a right wing exclusionary policy and where does racism come in to it? " Idi Amin expelling Asians from Uganda in the 70's. There was a wee right wing guy in germany had an issue with a few ethnic groups in Europe in the late 30's/early 40's. Theresa May created a "Hostile environment" closer to home pretty recently. Theres plenty of them, but u can't teach you anything you don't want to Google for yourself. | |||
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"Well apparently when a a American speaks it's always a gun issues. So what countries take in the most immigrants? All for vetting them maybe we should start sending them over seas to the UK if they not vetted. Hell Biden flying them for free what is a couple extra hours to the UK." Where is your Mexican Wall??  | |||
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"Well apparently when a a American speaks it's always a gun issues. So what countries take in the most immigrants? All for vetting them maybe we should start sending them over seas to the UK if they not vetted. Hell Biden flying them for free what is a couple extra hours to the UK." All legal routes to immigration involve vetting. why are you arguing "should we try what we are already doing?" | |||
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"Well apparently when a a American speaks it's always a gun issues. So what countries take in the most immigrants? All for vetting them maybe we should start sending them over seas to the UK if they not vetted. Hell Biden flying them for free what is a couple extra hours to the UK." When you make the argument about "security" and bring something like 9/11 into it then its easy to get there. Especially when the actual topic is around whether or not opinions are racially motivated. The question wasn't about guns per se, it was about whether the motivation is actually security; protecting American lives, or if the lives don't actually matter just as long as it isn't someone from an other country doing the killing. | |||
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""Left wing" and "Right wing" are the most misused terms in political debates. I have used it myself. Traditionally, right wingers believe in less government intervention in economy and low taxes. Left wingers believe in more government intervention and high tax economy, the extreme version of which is socialism. People with concerns around immigration can be on either side. Denmark's ruling party is left wing but takes a strict stance on immigration. Tories are right wing while also taking a strict stance on immigration. This really annoys me too. People claiming racism is an exclusively Right-Wing or that right-wing and racist are interchangeable terms. A lot of Communist governments, which by default are as left-wing as its possible to be economically, had extremely racist policies I havent seen anyone claiming that here. If you want to you will find examples on both sides to suit any argument you want to make, but the balance of averages show right wing policies to be far more exclusionary than left policies. That brings racism with it. What is a right wing exclusionary policy and where does racism come in to it? Idi Amin expelling Asians from Uganda in the 70's. There was a wee right wing guy in germany had an issue with a few ethnic groups in Europe in the late 30's/early 40's. Theresa May created a "Hostile environment" closer to home pretty recently. Theres plenty of them, but u can't teach you anything you don't want to Google for yourself. " The nazis weren't 'right-wing' though and you're just proving the exact point I made by bringing that up. A lot of the rhetoric they used to demonize the Jews was based on Jews having a disproportionate amount of wealth and how that should be redistributed to the German workers. Right-wing literally just means wanting as little government intervention as possible. The Nazis were the polar opposite of that. Ayn Rand who is one of the biggest 'right-wingers'ever wrote essays on why she hated the nazis, apart from the given fact she was Jewish. The nazis were racist and fascist but as I send thats not an interchangeable term with racist | |||
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""Left wing" and "Right wing" are the most misused terms in political debates. I have used it myself. Traditionally, right wingers believe in less government intervention in economy and low taxes. Left wingers believe in more government intervention and high tax economy, the extreme version of which is socialism. People with concerns around immigration can be on either side. Denmark's ruling party is left wing but takes a strict stance on immigration. Tories are right wing while also taking a strict stance on immigration. This really annoys me too. People claiming racism is an exclusively Right-Wing or that right-wing and racist are interchangeable terms. A lot of Communist governments, which by default are as left-wing as its possible to be economically, had extremely racist policies I havent seen anyone claiming that here. If you want to you will find examples on both sides to suit any argument you want to make, but the balance of averages show right wing policies to be far more exclusionary than left policies. That brings racism with it. What is a right wing exclusionary policy and where does racism come in to it? Idi Amin expelling Asians from Uganda in the 70's. There was a wee right wing guy in germany had an issue with a few ethnic groups in Europe in the late 30's/early 40's. Theresa May created a "Hostile environment" closer to home pretty recently. Theres plenty of them, but u can't teach you anything you don't want to Google for yourself. The nazis weren't 'right-wing' though and you're just proving the exact point I made by bringing that up. A lot of the rhetoric they used to demonize the Jews was based on Jews having a disproportionate amount of wealth and how that should be redistributed to the German workers. Right-wing literally just means wanting as little government intervention as possible. The Nazis were the polar opposite of that. Ayn Rand who is one of the biggest 'right-wingers'ever wrote essays on why she hated the nazis, apart from the given fact she was Jewish. The nazis were racist and fascist but as I send thats not an interchangeable term with racist" Fascism is pretty fucking far right. If youre arguing that nazis weren't fascist or if they weren't far-right then youre just dead wrong. | |||
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"Well apparently when a a American speaks it's always a gun issues. So what countries take in the most immigrants? All for vetting them maybe we should start sending them over seas to the UK if they not vetted. Hell Biden flying them for free what is a couple extra hours to the UK. When you make the argument about "security" and bring something like 9/11 into it then its easy to get there. Especially when the actual topic is around whether or not opinions are racially motivated. The question wasn't about guns per se, it was about whether the motivation is actually security; protecting American lives, or if the lives don't actually matter just as long as it isn't someone from an other country doing the killing. " Guns different thread . Post it in USA forum. I speaking immigration which is a major factor for both countries. Is it not ? Otherwise Op would have mentioned guns instead of immigration policy. | |||
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""Left wing" and "Right wing" are the most misused terms in political debates. I have used it myself. Traditionally, right wingers believe in less government intervention in economy and low taxes. Left wingers believe in more government intervention and high tax economy, the extreme version of which is socialism. People with concerns around immigration can be on either side. Denmark's ruling party is left wing but takes a strict stance on immigration. Tories are right wing while also taking a strict stance on immigration. This really annoys me too. People claiming racism is an exclusively Right-Wing or that right-wing and racist are interchangeable terms. A lot of Communist governments, which by default are as left-wing as its possible to be economically, had extremely racist policies I havent seen anyone claiming that here. If you want to you will find examples on both sides to suit any argument you want to make, but the balance of averages show right wing policies to be far more exclusionary than left policies. That brings racism with it. What is a right wing exclusionary policy and where does racism come in to it? Idi Amin expelling Asians from Uganda in the 70's. There was a wee right wing guy in germany had an issue with a few ethnic groups in Europe in the late 30's/early 40's. Theresa May created a "Hostile environment" closer to home pretty recently. Theres plenty of them, but u can't teach you anything you don't want to Google for yourself. The nazis weren't 'right-wing' though and you're just proving the exact point I made by bringing that up. A lot of the rhetoric they used to demonize the Jews was based on Jews having a disproportionate amount of wealth and how that should be redistributed to the German workers. Right-wing literally just means wanting as little government intervention as possible. The Nazis were the polar opposite of that. Ayn Rand who is one of the biggest 'right-wingers'ever wrote essays on why she hated the nazis, apart from the given fact she was Jewish. The nazis were racist and fascist but as I send thats not an interchangeable term with racist Fascism is pretty fucking far right. If youre arguing that nazis weren't fascist or if they weren't far-right then youre just dead wrong. " You just keep repeating a wrong argument. I'm not denying the Nazis were fascists or racists, but they weren't right-wing. Fascism isn't right-wing, that's the whole fucking point I'm making. You keep using racist and right-wing interchangeably. They're not interchangeable. Right-Wing is a purely economic term. | |||
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"Well apparently when a a American speaks it's always a gun issues. So what countries take in the most immigrants? All for vetting them maybe we should start sending them over seas to the UK if they not vetted. Hell Biden flying them for free what is a couple extra hours to the UK. When you make the argument about "security" and bring something like 9/11 into it then its easy to get there. Especially when the actual topic is around whether or not opinions are racially motivated. The question wasn't about guns per se, it was about whether the motivation is actually security; protecting American lives, or if the lives don't actually matter just as long as it isn't someone from an other country doing the killing. Guns different thread . Post it in USA forum. I speaking immigration which is a major factor for both countries. Is it not ? Otherwise Op would have mentioned guns instead of immigration policy. " You mentioned security and terrorism. If youre not able to keep "on topic" then why does everyone else need to meet your standard? You can talk about things as part of a discussion on something else. Its normal and is pretty much how regular conversation works. Just because you don't want it to apply here doesn't make it so. | |||
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""Left wing" and "Right wing" are the most misused terms in political debates. I have used it myself. Traditionally, right wingers believe in less government intervention in economy and low taxes. Left wingers believe in more government intervention and high tax economy, the extreme version of which is socialism. People with concerns around immigration can be on either side. Denmark's ruling party is left wing but takes a strict stance on immigration. Tories are right wing while also taking a strict stance on immigration. This really annoys me too. People claiming racism is an exclusively Right-Wing or that right-wing and racist are interchangeable terms. A lot of Communist governments, which by default are as left-wing as its possible to be economically, had extremely racist policies I havent seen anyone claiming that here. If you want to you will find examples on both sides to suit any argument you want to make, but the balance of averages show right wing policies to be far more exclusionary than left policies. That brings racism with it. What is a right wing exclusionary policy and where does racism come in to it? Idi Amin expelling Asians from Uganda in the 70's. There was a wee right wing guy in germany had an issue with a few ethnic groups in Europe in the late 30's/early 40's. Theresa May created a "Hostile environment" closer to home pretty recently. Theres plenty of them, but u can't teach you anything you don't want to Google for yourself. The nazis weren't 'right-wing' though and you're just proving the exact point I made by bringing that up. A lot of the rhetoric they used to demonize the Jews was based on Jews having a disproportionate amount of wealth and how that should be redistributed to the German workers. Right-wing literally just means wanting as little government intervention as possible. The Nazis were the polar opposite of that. Ayn Rand who is one of the biggest 'right-wingers'ever wrote essays on why she hated the nazis, apart from the given fact she was Jewish. The nazis were racist and fascist but as I send thats not an interchangeable term with racist Fascism is pretty fucking far right. If youre arguing that nazis weren't fascist or if they weren't far-right then youre just dead wrong. You just keep repeating a wrong argument. I'm not denying the Nazis were fascists or racists, but they weren't right-wing. Fascism isn't right-wing, that's the whole fucking point I'm making. You keep using racist and right-wing interchangeably. They're not interchangeable. Right-Wing is a purely economic term. " Right and left wing aren't purely economic terms by any stretch of the imagination and by any definition. | |||
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""Left wing" and "Right wing" are the most misused terms in political debates. I have used it myself. Traditionally, right wingers believe in less government intervention in economy and low taxes. Left wingers believe in more government intervention and high tax economy, the extreme version of which is socialism. People with concerns around immigration can be on either side. Denmark's ruling party is left wing but takes a strict stance on immigration. Tories are right wing while also taking a strict stance on immigration. This really annoys me too. People claiming racism is an exclusively Right-Wing or that right-wing and racist are interchangeable terms. A lot of Communist governments, which by default are as left-wing as its possible to be economically, had extremely racist policies I havent seen anyone claiming that here. If you want to you will find examples on both sides to suit any argument you want to make, but the balance of averages show right wing policies to be far more exclusionary than left policies. That brings racism with it. What is a right wing exclusionary policy and where does racism come in to it? Idi Amin expelling Asians from Uganda in the 70's. There was a wee right wing guy in germany had an issue with a few ethnic groups in Europe in the late 30's/early 40's. Theresa May created a "Hostile environment" closer to home pretty recently. Theres plenty of them, but u can't teach you anything you don't want to Google for yourself. The nazis weren't 'right-wing' though and you're just proving the exact point I made by bringing that up. A lot of the rhetoric they used to demonize the Jews was based on Jews having a disproportionate amount of wealth and how that should be redistributed to the German workers. Right-wing literally just means wanting as little government intervention as possible. The Nazis were the polar opposite of that. Ayn Rand who is one of the biggest 'right-wingers'ever wrote essays on why she hated the nazis, apart from the given fact she was Jewish. The nazis were racist and fascist but as I send thats not an interchangeable term with racist" Simply not True, the Nazi's were fascists which by definition is Far Right Wing. | |||
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"Well apparently when a a American speaks it's always a gun issues. So what countries take in the most immigrants? All for vetting them maybe we should start sending them over seas to the UK if they not vetted. Hell Biden flying them for free what is a couple extra hours to the UK. When you make the argument about "security" and bring something like 9/11 into it then its easy to get there. Especially when the actual topic is around whether or not opinions are racially motivated. The question wasn't about guns per se, it was about whether the motivation is actually security; protecting American lives, or if the lives don't actually matter just as long as it isn't someone from an other country doing the killing. Guns different thread . Post it in USA forum. I speaking immigration which is a major factor for both countries. Is it not ? Otherwise Op would have mentioned guns instead of immigration policy. You mentioned security and terrorism. If youre not able to keep "on topic" then why does everyone else need to meet your standard? You can talk about things as part of a discussion on something else. Its normal and is pretty much how regular conversation works. Just because you don't want it to apply here doesn't make it so. " Did I say you have to meet my standard ? I got jumped for guns in a immigration thread.All I asked is if it wouldn't it be more prudent to vet people so you don't have a tragedy. Do if you want the " gun' debate take it to the USA forums is that not fair? | |||
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""Left wing" and "Right wing" are the most misused terms in political debates. I have used it myself. Traditionally, right wingers believe in less government intervention in economy and low taxes. Left wingers believe in more government intervention and high tax economy, the extreme version of which is socialism. People with concerns around immigration can be on either side. Denmark's ruling party is left wing but takes a strict stance on immigration. Tories are right wing while also taking a strict stance on immigration. This really annoys me too. People claiming racism is an exclusively Right-Wing or that right-wing and racist are interchangeable terms. A lot of Communist governments, which by default are as left-wing as its possible to be economically, had extremely racist policies I havent seen anyone claiming that here. If you want to you will find examples on both sides to suit any argument you want to make, but the balance of averages show right wing policies to be far more exclusionary than left policies. That brings racism with it. " That's the result of how political alignment has been shaped across population. There are two areas of debate when it comes to immigration - economic issues of how to sustain social welfare with refugees coming in and social issues around how to assimilate them culturally. Right wing conservatives are more concerned about the social issues. So right wing political parties stuck to that stance. Left wing political parties should logically be concerned about the economic issues. But most left wing parties commited political suicide by not talking about that. They took a pro-immigration stance to attract middle class liberals and lost working class people in the process. Denmark Social Democrats are one of the very few left wing parties who were shrewd enough to understand this and take the right stance. | |||
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"Well apparently when a a American speaks it's always a gun issues. So what countries take in the most immigrants? All for vetting them maybe we should start sending them over seas to the UK if they not vetted. Hell Biden flying them for free what is a couple extra hours to the UK. When you make the argument about "security" and bring something like 9/11 into it then its easy to get there. Especially when the actual topic is around whether or not opinions are racially motivated. The question wasn't about guns per se, it was about whether the motivation is actually security; protecting American lives, or if the lives don't actually matter just as long as it isn't someone from an other country doing the killing. Guns different thread . Post it in USA forum. I speaking immigration which is a major factor for both countries. Is it not ? Otherwise Op would have mentioned guns instead of immigration policy. You mentioned security and terrorism. If youre not able to keep "on topic" then why does everyone else need to meet your standard? You can talk about things as part of a discussion on something else. Its normal and is pretty much how regular conversation works. Just because you don't want it to apply here doesn't make it so. Did I say you have to meet my standard ? I got jumped for guns in a immigration thread.All I asked is if it wouldn't it be more prudent to vet people so you don't have a tragedy. Do if you want the " gun' debate take it to the USA forums is that not fair?" I think that's maybe the problem, Nobody "jumped" you. Nobody made any commends about you personally but it feels a wee bit like mentioning it has made you take it personally? For what it's worth, assuming that economic migrants are more likely to be dangerous to anyone has been proven to be wrong over and over again, so believing it in 2022 is probably a wee bit racist. America, "the great experiment" is as im sure you know an entire nation bourne of immigrants. A few hundred years is all that separates you and them. | |||
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""Left wing" and "Right wing" are the most misused terms in political debates. I have used it myself. Traditionally, right wingers believe in less government intervention in economy and low taxes. Left wingers believe in more government intervention and high tax economy, the extreme version of which is socialism. People with concerns around immigration can be on either side. Denmark's ruling party is left wing but takes a strict stance on immigration. Tories are right wing while also taking a strict stance on immigration. This really annoys me too. People claiming racism is an exclusively Right-Wing or that right-wing and racist are interchangeable terms. A lot of Communist governments, which by default are as left-wing as its possible to be economically, had extremely racist policies I havent seen anyone claiming that here. If you want to you will find examples on both sides to suit any argument you want to make, but the balance of averages show right wing policies to be far more exclusionary than left policies. That brings racism with it. What is a right wing exclusionary policy and where does racism come in to it? Idi Amin expelling Asians from Uganda in the 70's. There was a wee right wing guy in germany had an issue with a few ethnic groups in Europe in the late 30's/early 40's. Theresa May created a "Hostile environment" closer to home pretty recently. Theres plenty of them, but u can't teach you anything you don't want to Google for yourself. The nazis weren't 'right-wing' though and you're just proving the exact point I made by bringing that up. A lot of the rhetoric they used to demonize the Jews was based on Jews having a disproportionate amount of wealth and how that should be redistributed to the German workers. Right-wing literally just means wanting as little government intervention as possible. The Nazis were the polar opposite of that. Ayn Rand who is one of the biggest 'right-wingers'ever wrote essays on why she hated the nazis, apart from the given fact she was Jewish. The nazis were racist and fascist but as I send thats not an interchangeable term with racist Simply not True, the Nazi's were fascists which by definition is Far Right Wing." How so there was Republicans in the US that went against that ideal . Until they were destroyed . So is that right wing in your eye against Nazi idealistic behavior? What is right again? | |||
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""Left wing" and "Right wing" are the most misused terms in political debates. I have used it myself. Traditionally, right wingers believe in less government intervention in economy and low taxes. Left wingers believe in more government intervention and high tax economy, the extreme version of which is socialism. People with concerns around immigration can be on either side. Denmark's ruling party is left wing but takes a strict stance on immigration. Tories are right wing while also taking a strict stance on immigration. This really annoys me too. People claiming racism is an exclusively Right-Wing or that right-wing and racist are interchangeable terms. A lot of Communist governments, which by default are as left-wing as its possible to be economically, had extremely racist policies I havent seen anyone claiming that here. If you want to you will find examples on both sides to suit any argument you want to make, but the balance of averages show right wing policies to be far more exclusionary than left policies. That brings racism with it. That's the result of how political alignment has been shaped across population. There are two areas of debate when it comes to immigration - economic issues of how to sustain social welfare with refugees coming in and social issues around how to assimilate them culturally. Right wing conservatives are more concerned about the social issues. So right wing political parties stuck to that stance. Left wing political parties should logically be concerned about the economic issues. But most left wing parties commited political suicide by not talking about that. They took a pro-immigration stance to attract middle class liberals and lost working class people in the process. Denmark Social Democrats are one of the very few left wing parties who were shrewd enough to understand this and take the right stance." All valid points, based on economic reasons . How do you square any of this with the OPs concern that Mohammed is the most popular boys name in Britain | |||
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""Left wing" and "Right wing" are the most misused terms in political debates. I have used it myself. Traditionally, right wingers believe in less government intervention in economy and low taxes. Left wingers believe in more government intervention and high tax economy, the extreme version of which is socialism. People with concerns around immigration can be on either side. Denmark's ruling party is left wing but takes a strict stance on immigration. Tories are right wing while also taking a strict stance on immigration. This really annoys me too. People claiming racism is an exclusively Right-Wing or that right-wing and racist are interchangeable terms. A lot of Communist governments, which by default are as left-wing as its possible to be economically, had extremely racist policies I havent seen anyone claiming that here. If you want to you will find examples on both sides to suit any argument you want to make, but the balance of averages show right wing policies to be far more exclusionary than left policies. That brings racism with it. What is a right wing exclusionary policy and where does racism come in to it? Idi Amin expelling Asians from Uganda in the 70's. There was a wee right wing guy in germany had an issue with a few ethnic groups in Europe in the late 30's/early 40's. Theresa May created a "Hostile environment" closer to home pretty recently. Theres plenty of them, but u can't teach you anything you don't want to Google for yourself. The nazis weren't 'right-wing' though and you're just proving the exact point I made by bringing that up. A lot of the rhetoric they used to demonize the Jews was based on Jews having a disproportionate amount of wealth and how that should be redistributed to the German workers. Right-wing literally just means wanting as little government intervention as possible. The Nazis were the polar opposite of that. Ayn Rand who is one of the biggest 'right-wingers'ever wrote essays on why she hated the nazis, apart from the given fact she was Jewish. The nazis were racist and fascist but as I send thats not an interchangeable term with racist Simply not True, the Nazi's were fascists which by definition is Far Right Wing. How so there was Republicans in the US that went against that ideal . Until they were destroyed . So is that right wing in your eye against Nazi idealistic behavior? What is right again?" Two people can be right wing and not like each other, even oppose each other. There is no rule that all people of the same political leaning have to like each other... | |||
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""Left wing" and "Right wing" are the most misused terms in political debates. I have used it myself. Traditionally, right wingers believe in less government intervention in economy and low taxes. Left wingers believe in more government intervention and high tax economy, the extreme version of which is socialism. People with concerns around immigration can be on either side. Denmark's ruling party is left wing but takes a strict stance on immigration. Tories are right wing while also taking a strict stance on immigration. This really annoys me too. People claiming racism is an exclusively Right-Wing or that right-wing and racist are interchangeable terms. A lot of Communist governments, which by default are as left-wing as its possible to be economically, had extremely racist policies I havent seen anyone claiming that here. If you want to you will find examples on both sides to suit any argument you want to make, but the balance of averages show right wing policies to be far more exclusionary than left policies. That brings racism with it. That's the result of how political alignment has been shaped across population. There are two areas of debate when it comes to immigration - economic issues of how to sustain social welfare with refugees coming in and social issues around how to assimilate them culturally. Right wing conservatives are more concerned about the social issues. So right wing political parties stuck to that stance. Left wing political parties should logically be concerned about the economic issues. But most left wing parties commited political suicide by not talking about that. They took a pro-immigration stance to attract middle class liberals and lost working class people in the process. Denmark Social Democrats are one of the very few left wing parties who were shrewd enough to understand this and take the right stance. All valid points, based on economic reasons . How do you square any of this with the OPs concern that Mohammed is the most popular boys name in Britain " His issue is obviously with cultural clashes. Whether he is right wing or left wing depends on his economic views. | |||
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""Left wing" and "Right wing" are the most misused terms in political debates. I have used it myself. Traditionally, right wingers believe in less government intervention in economy and low taxes. Left wingers believe in more government intervention and high tax economy, the extreme version of which is socialism. People with concerns around immigration can be on either side. Denmark's ruling party is left wing but takes a strict stance on immigration. Tories are right wing while also taking a strict stance on immigration. This really annoys me too. People claiming racism is an exclusively Right-Wing or that right-wing and racist are interchangeable terms. A lot of Communist governments, which by default are as left-wing as its possible to be economically, had extremely racist policies I havent seen anyone claiming that here. If you want to you will find examples on both sides to suit any argument you want to make, but the balance of averages show right wing policies to be far more exclusionary than left policies. That brings racism with it. That's the result of how political alignment has been shaped across population. There are two areas of debate when it comes to immigration - economic issues of how to sustain social welfare with refugees coming in and social issues around how to assimilate them culturally. Right wing conservatives are more concerned about the social issues. So right wing political parties stuck to that stance. Left wing political parties should logically be concerned about the economic issues. But most left wing parties commited political suicide by not talking about that. They took a pro-immigration stance to attract middle class liberals and lost working class people in the process. Denmark Social Democrats are one of the very few left wing parties who were shrewd enough to understand this and take the right stance. All valid points, based on economic reasons . How do you square any of this with the OPs concern that Mohammed is the most popular boys name in Britain His issue is obviously with cultural clashes. Whether he is right wing or left wing depends on his economic views. " Left/Right is not just about economics | |||
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""Left wing" and "Right wing" are the most misused terms in political debates. I have used it myself. Traditionally, right wingers believe in less government intervention in economy and low taxes. Left wingers believe in more government intervention and high tax economy, the extreme version of which is socialism. People with concerns around immigration can be on either side. Denmark's ruling party is left wing but takes a strict stance on immigration. Tories are right wing while also taking a strict stance on immigration. This really annoys me too. People claiming racism is an exclusively Right-Wing or that right-wing and racist are interchangeable terms. A lot of Communist governments, which by default are as left-wing as its possible to be economically, had extremely racist policies I havent seen anyone claiming that here. If you want to you will find examples on both sides to suit any argument you want to make, but the balance of averages show right wing policies to be far more exclusionary than left policies. That brings racism with it. That's the result of how political alignment has been shaped across population. There are two areas of debate when it comes to immigration - economic issues of how to sustain social welfare with refugees coming in and social issues around how to assimilate them culturally. Right wing conservatives are more concerned about the social issues. So right wing political parties stuck to that stance. Left wing political parties should logically be concerned about the economic issues. But most left wing parties commited political suicide by not talking about that. They took a pro-immigration stance to attract middle class liberals and lost working class people in the process. Denmark Social Democrats are one of the very few left wing parties who were shrewd enough to understand this and take the right stance. All valid points, based on economic reasons . How do you square any of this with the OPs concern that Mohammed is the most popular boys name in Britain His issue is obviously with cultural clashes. Whether he is right wing or left wing depends on his economic views. " Theres considerably more to whether something is left or right leaning than economics. Unless this is a joke based on the nonsense on this thread already? | |||
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"So as to the OPs original statement .. don't be fools you never know what is coming and that intent by a open immigration policy. Protect your own to the best of your ability. Strangers miles away or kilometers away have 0 influence on you. Until a election. Then everyone goes ballistic. Take it from me. Family friends are more important than a collective mindset. Because who do rely on someone staring you wrong 3000 miles away or you inner circle. Choices immigration is a serious threat. " Eh?  | |||
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""Left wing" and "Right wing" are the most misused terms in political debates. I have used it myself. Traditionally, right wingers believe in less government intervention in economy and low taxes. Left wingers believe in more government intervention and high tax economy, the extreme version of which is socialism. People with concerns around immigration can be on either side. Denmark's ruling party is left wing but takes a strict stance on immigration. Tories are right wing while also taking a strict stance on immigration. This really annoys me too. People claiming racism is an exclusively Right-Wing or that right-wing and racist are interchangeable terms. A lot of Communist governments, which by default are as left-wing as its possible to be economically, had extremely racist policies I havent seen anyone claiming that here. If you want to you will find examples on both sides to suit any argument you want to make, but the balance of averages show right wing policies to be far more exclusionary than left policies. That brings racism with it. That's the result of how political alignment has been shaped across population. There are two areas of debate when it comes to immigration - economic issues of how to sustain social welfare with refugees coming in and social issues around how to assimilate them culturally. Right wing conservatives are more concerned about the social issues. So right wing political parties stuck to that stance. Left wing political parties should logically be concerned about the economic issues. But most left wing parties commited political suicide by not talking about that. They took a pro-immigration stance to attract middle class liberals and lost working class people in the process. Denmark Social Democrats are one of the very few left wing parties who were shrewd enough to understand this and take the right stance. All valid points, based on economic reasons . How do you square any of this with the OPs concern that Mohammed is the most popular boys name in Britain His issue is obviously with cultural clashes. Whether he is right wing or left wing depends on his economic views. " I don’t agree, his opinion on these ‘cultural clashes’ will also help determine if he is right or left wing | |||
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"So as to the OPs original statement .. don't be fools you never know what is coming and that intent by a open immigration policy. Protect your own to the best of your ability. Strangers miles away or kilometers away have 0 influence on you. Until a election. Then everyone goes ballistic. Take it from me. Family friends are more important than a collective mindset. Because who do rely on someone staring you wrong 3000 miles away or you inner circle. Choices immigration is a serious threat. Eh? eh what ? Explain? Is expected better from you "‘Staring you wrong 3000 miles away’ , eh? | |||
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"So as to the OPs original statement .. don't be fools you never know what is coming and that intent by a open immigration policy. Protect your own to the best of your ability. Strangers miles away or kilometers away have 0 influence on you. Until a election. Then everyone goes ballistic. Take it from me. Family friends are more important than a collective mindset. Because who do rely on someone staring you wrong 3000 miles away or you inner circle. Choices immigration is a serious threat. Eh? eh what ? Explain? Is expected better from you
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"So as to the OPs original statement .. don't be fools you never know what is coming and that intent by a open immigration policy. Protect your own to the best of your ability. Strangers miles away or kilometers away have 0 influence on you. Until a election. Then everyone goes ballistic. Take it from me. Family friends are more important than a collective mindset. Because who do rely on someone staring you wrong 3000 miles away or you inner circle. Choices immigration is a serious threat. Eh? eh what ? Explain? Is expected better from you "Isnt it still early evening in America? How are you this d*unk already?!? | |||
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"So as to the OPs original statement .. don't be fools you never know what is coming and that intent by a open immigration policy. Protect your own to the best of your ability. Strangers miles away or kilometers away have 0 influence on you. Until a election. Then everyone goes ballistic. Take it from me. Family friends are more important than a collective mindset. Because who do rely on someone staring you wrong 3000 miles away or you inner circle. Choices immigration is a serious threat. Eh? eh what ? Explain? Is expected better from you
‘Staring you wrong 3000 miles away’ , eh?
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"So as to the OPs original statement .. don't be fools you never know what is coming and that intent by a open immigration policy. Protect your own to the best of your ability. Strangers miles away or kilometers away have 0 influence on you. Until a election. Then everyone goes ballistic. Take it from me. Family friends are more important than a collective mindset. Because who do rely on someone staring you wrong 3000 miles away or you inner circle. Choices immigration is a serious threat. Eh? eh what ? Explain? Is expected better from you
Isnt it still early evening in America? How are you this d*unk already?!?"Be fair it is Friday, so an early start isn't strange and it is almost 9pm on the east coast | |||
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"So as to the OPs original statement .. don't be fools you never know what is coming and that intent by a open immigration policy. Protect your own to the best of your ability. Strangers miles away or kilometers away have 0 influence on you. Until a election. Then everyone goes ballistic. Take it from me. Family friends are more important than a collective mindset. Because who do rely on someone staring you wrong 3000 miles away or you inner circle. Choices immigration is a serious threat. Eh? eh what ? Explain? Is expected better from you
‘Staring you wrong 3000 miles away’ , eh?
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""Left wing" and "Right wing" are the most misused terms in political debates. I have used it myself. Traditionally, right wingers believe in less government intervention in economy and low taxes. Left wingers believe in more government intervention and high tax economy, the extreme version of which is socialism. People with concerns around immigration can be on either side. Denmark's ruling party is left wing but takes a strict stance on immigration. Tories are right wing while also taking a strict stance on immigration. This really annoys me too. People claiming racism is an exclusively Right-Wing or that right-wing and racist are interchangeable terms. A lot of Communist governments, which by default are as left-wing as its possible to be economically, had extremely racist policies I havent seen anyone claiming that here. If you want to you will find examples on both sides to suit any argument you want to make, but the balance of averages show right wing policies to be far more exclusionary than left policies. That brings racism with it. That's the result of how political alignment has been shaped across population. There are two areas of debate when it comes to immigration - economic issues of how to sustain social welfare with refugees coming in and social issues around how to assimilate them culturally. Right wing conservatives are more concerned about the social issues. So right wing political parties stuck to that stance. Left wing political parties should logically be concerned about the economic issues. But most left wing parties commited political suicide by not talking about that. They took a pro-immigration stance to attract middle class liberals and lost working class people in the process. Denmark Social Democrats are one of the very few left wing parties who were shrewd enough to understand this and take the right stance. All valid points, based on economic reasons . How do you square any of this with the OPs concern that Mohammed is the most popular boys name in Britain His issue is obviously with cultural clashes. Whether he is right wing or left wing depends on his economic views. Left/Right is not just about economics" Left/Right has always been about economics. The commonly agreed upon graph has two axes - left-right axe based on economic views and authoritarian/liberal based on social views. It's the political debaters on the internet who seem to attach left/right to social issues. There are right wing libertarians who are socially liberals and left wing authoritarians who are socially conservative. | |||
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"So as to the OPs original statement .. don't be fools you never know what is coming and that intent by a open immigration policy. Protect your own to the best of your ability. Strangers miles away or kilometers away have 0 influence on you. Until a election. Then everyone goes ballistic. Take it from me. Family friends are more important than a collective mindset. Because who do rely on someone staring you wrong 3000 miles away or you inner circle. Choices immigration is a serious threat. Eh? eh what ? Explain? Is expected better from you
Isnt it still early evening in America? How are you this d*unk already?!?
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‘Staring you wrong 3000 miles away’ , eh?
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""Left wing" and "Right wing" are the most misused terms in political debates. I have used it myself. Traditionally, right wingers believe in less government intervention in economy and low taxes. Left wingers believe in more government intervention and high tax economy, the extreme version of which is socialism. People with concerns around immigration can be on either side. Denmark's ruling party is left wing but takes a strict stance on immigration. Tories are right wing while also taking a strict stance on immigration. This really annoys me too. People claiming racism is an exclusively Right-Wing or that right-wing and racist are interchangeable terms. A lot of Communist governments, which by default are as left-wing as its possible to be economically, had extremely racist policies I havent seen anyone claiming that here. If you want to you will find examples on both sides to suit any argument you want to make, but the balance of averages show right wing policies to be far more exclusionary than left policies. That brings racism with it. That's the result of how political alignment has been shaped across population. There are two areas of debate when it comes to immigration - economic issues of how to sustain social welfare with refugees coming in and social issues around how to assimilate them culturally. Right wing conservatives are more concerned about the social issues. So right wing political parties stuck to that stance. Left wing political parties should logically be concerned about the economic issues. But most left wing parties commited political suicide by not talking about that. They took a pro-immigration stance to attract middle class liberals and lost working class people in the process. Denmark Social Democrats are one of the very few left wing parties who were shrewd enough to understand this and take the right stance. All valid points, based on economic reasons . How do you square any of this with the OPs concern that Mohammed is the most popular boys name in Britain His issue is obviously with cultural clashes. Whether he is right wing or left wing depends on his economic views. Theres considerably more to whether something is left or right leaning than economics. Unless this is a joke based on the nonsense on this thread already? " Left/Right definition itself came from 19th century politics where pro-socialists sat on the left side of the parliament and pro-free market politicians sat on the right. It's very recently that some people started attaching left wing to liberal social outlook and right wing to Conservative social outlook. Then where do right libertarians belong? They believe that a government should not intervene either in economic matters of in social matters. They believe in complete individual freedom for everyone. | |||
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""Left wing" and "Right wing" are the most misused terms in political debates. I have used it myself. Traditionally, right wingers believe in less government intervention in economy and low taxes. Left wingers believe in more government intervention and high tax economy, the extreme version of which is socialism. People with concerns around immigration can be on either side. Denmark's ruling party is left wing but takes a strict stance on immigration. Tories are right wing while also taking a strict stance on immigration. This really annoys me too. People claiming racism is an exclusively Right-Wing or that right-wing and racist are interchangeable terms. A lot of Communist governments, which by default are as left-wing as its possible to be economically, had extremely racist policies I havent seen anyone claiming that here. If you want to you will find examples on both sides to suit any argument you want to make, but the balance of averages show right wing policies to be far more exclusionary than left policies. That brings racism with it. That's the result of how political alignment has been shaped across population. There are two areas of debate when it comes to immigration - economic issues of how to sustain social welfare with refugees coming in and social issues around how to assimilate them culturally. Right wing conservatives are more concerned about the social issues. So right wing political parties stuck to that stance. Left wing political parties should logically be concerned about the economic issues. But most left wing parties commited political suicide by not talking about that. They took a pro-immigration stance to attract middle class liberals and lost working class people in the process. Denmark Social Democrats are one of the very few left wing parties who were shrewd enough to understand this and take the right stance. All valid points, based on economic reasons . How do you square any of this with the OPs concern that Mohammed is the most popular boys name in Britain His issue is obviously with cultural clashes. Whether he is right wing or left wing depends on his economic views. Left/Right is not just about economics Left/Right has always been about economics. The commonly agreed upon graph has two axes - left-right axe based on economic views and authoritarian/liberal based on social views. It's the political debaters on the internet who seem to attach left/right to social issues. There are right wing libertarians who are socially liberals and left wing authoritarians who are socially conservative." Simply not true. They are political ideologies, not economic ones. Each have what are considered left or right economic principles, but the terms themselves don't exclusively define economic policies. | |||
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"So as to the OPs original statement .. don't be fools you never know what is coming and that intent by a open immigration policy. Protect your own to the best of your ability. Strangers miles away or kilometers away have 0 influence on you. Until a election. Then everyone goes ballistic. Take it from me. Family friends are more important than a collective mindset. Because who do rely on someone staring you wrong 3000 miles away or you inner circle. Choices immigration is a serious threat. Eh? eh what ? Explain? Is expected better from you
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Ah, is she referring to Trump in Mar a Lago don't give to shits about trump but keep going your embarrassing yourself."funny how you assumed that.yiur ridiculous entitled behavior is hilarious keep going . Again is this not a immigration thread or the I need to put the "American " in their place thread? You choose the latter why is that ? Just like many others . Here is a hint . We all global are we not? Your ignorance is astounding to prove your agenda. | |||
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"The original thread was pretty bonkers anyway." Tbf to the OP, I am really worried that Harry is no longer in the top ten of new born babies names, scary times | |||
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"The original thread was pretty bonkers anyway. Tbf to the OP, I am really worried that Harry is no longer in the top ten of new born babies names, scary times " Won't somebody think of all the wee baby Gary's who will never be born! | |||
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"The original thread was pretty bonkers anyway." no it wasn't immigrants is sustainable in the UK in your opinion? 50 million? | |||
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"The original thread was pretty bonkers anyway. Tbf to the OP, I am really worried that Harry is no longer in the top ten of new born babies names, scary times We're gonna run out of Quentins soon completely at this rate, too. dear God..." And the name Boris will become extinct, the country is fucked  | |||
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"The original thread was pretty bonkers anyway. no it wasn't immigrants is sustainable in the UK in your opinion? 50 million? " Reread the 1st post. It said basically: I'm not racist, but should we worry about babies called Mohammed. Seems pretty bonkers to me. That or an article in waiting for the Mail. | |||
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"The original thread was pretty bonkers anyway. Tbf to the OP, I am really worried that Harry is no longer in the top ten of new born babies names, scary times We're gonna run out of Quentins soon completely at this rate, too. dear God... And the name Boris will become extinct, the country is fucked "Fear not! Johnson will make sure there are plenty of kids named Boris after their father. | |||
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"The original thread was pretty bonkers anyway. no it wasn't immigrants is sustainable in the UK in your opinion? 50 million? Reread the 1st post. It said basically: I'm not racist, but should we worry about babies called Mohammed. Seems pretty bonkers to me. That or an article in waiting for the Mail." A much shorter version would have been the classic "im not racist, but..." | |||
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60 million, btw, what is the most popular baby boys name in America? "Bet in certain states it's Trump | |||
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"The original thread was pretty bonkers anyway. no it wasn't immigrants is sustainable in the UK in your opinion? 50 million? 55 million doubt it you can't sustain in the winter now can you without foreign aid where are these poor souls going to acclimate into your flats and housing again ? So you have the resources to support 50 mill ? Highly doubtful on your statement.
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60 million, btw, what is the most popular baby boys name in America?
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60 million, btw, what is the most popular baby boys name in America?
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"The original thread was pretty bonkers anyway. no it wasn't immigrants is sustainable in the UK in your opinion? 50 million? 55 million doubt it you can't sustain in the winter now can you without foreign aid where are these poor souls going to acclimate into your flats and housing again ? So you have the resources to support 50 mill ? Highly doubtful on your statement.
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in 2021 it was Liam & Olivia
Liam? That surprises me, not sure what name I was expecting though,
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60 million, btw, what is the most popular baby boys name in America?
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Liam? That surprises me, not sure what name I was expecting though,
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"OMG. For anybody still quibbling over what right wing is: just look it up. You'll see right wing politics is about more than just economics. Or you know maybe do some more detailed reading on the terms rather than relying on wikipedia You literally said that the Nazis weren't right wing.... Pipe down and stop embarrassing yourself. https://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2 Read this then come back to me" Also look up: were Nazis right wing + do bears shit in the woods? | |||
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"OMG. For anybody still quibbling over what right wing is: just look it up. You'll see right wing politics is about more than just economics. Or you know maybe do some more detailed reading on the terms rather than relying on wikipedia You literally said that the Nazis weren't right wing.... Pipe down and stop embarrassing yourself. https://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2 Read this then come back to me" As mentioned there are multiple models of how political theories work, this is one of them. Secondly this page would still have the Nazi's on the right. Top Right more specifically. | |||
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"OMG. For anybody still quibbling over what right wing is: just look it up. You'll see right wing politics is about more than just economics. Or you know maybe do some more detailed reading on the terms rather than relying on wikipedia You literally said that the Nazis weren't right wing.... Pipe down and stop embarrassing yourself. https://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2 Read this then come back to me" Im back, cheers for the invite. 1) therea nothing on that website that supports your argument that nazis weren't far right. Or that left/right is purely an economic spectrum. 2) Jesus fuckibg christ! Posting a link to a website isn't any sort of recourse. Form your own thoughts, use your words. Read something an create an original opinion based on it. I cant promise you won't still look like a fucking idiot but at least you'll be original. And if you can't be clever then surely that's worth something. | |||
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"It's fascinating this thread has basically gone from: is it racist to worry about babies called Mohammed? to Were Nazis right wing? Next ridiculous step I can see coming: were Nazis racist?" Is water actually wet? I guess it depends on whether you use a very narrow definition of "wet" which support my own beliefs irrespective of all other factors. | |||
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"It's fascinating this thread has basically gone from: is it racist to worry about babies called Mohammed? to Were Nazis right wing? Next ridiculous step I can see coming: were Nazis racist?" They were left wing liberals who just happened to murder millions of Jewish people because of their economic policies | |||
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"OMG. For anybody still quibbling over what right wing is: just look it up. You'll see right wing politics is about more than just economics. Or you know maybe do some more detailed reading on the terms rather than relying on wikipedia You literally said that the Nazis weren't right wing.... Pipe down and stop embarrassing yourself. https://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2 Read this then come back to me Im back, cheers for the invite. 1)Or that left/right is purely an economic" Literally the first paragraph supports that point. You're the one quoting Wikipedia as source | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 09/07/22 01:21:48]" Do you mean the bit specifically about Frances national front? The bit that says even thought they had policies that leant one way, they were traditionally another? Is that the bit that completely undermines your point that you think proves it? Or the bit where it says using economics is widely and wrongly used to describe social attributes? For fuck sake pal youre playing a blinder tonight. | |||
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"OMG. For anybody still quibbling over what right wing is: just look it up. You'll see right wing politics is about more than just economics. Or you know maybe do some more detailed reading on the terms rather than relying on wikipedia You literally said that the Nazis weren't right wing.... Pipe down and stop embarrassing yourself. https://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2 Read this then come back to me Im back, cheers for the invite. 1)Or that left/right is purely an economic Literally the first paragraph supports that point. You're the one quoting Wikipedia as source" Guess you missed where I said that is one model of many. and that one is a pretty new one, hardly the standard | |||
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"OMG. For anybody still quibbling over what right wing is: just look it up. You'll see right wing politics is about more than just economics. Or you know maybe do some more detailed reading on the terms rather than relying on wikipedia You literally said that the Nazis weren't right wing.... Pipe down and stop embarrassing yourself. https://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2 Read this then come back to me Im back, cheers for the invite. 1)Or that left/right is purely an economic Literally the first paragraph supports that point. You're the one quoting Wikipedia as source" Youve talked about Wikipedia twice now, nobody else has. Also, How do you butcher a quote this badly? Its one fucking button. | |||
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"@JosephSamuel90 im sure youre a perfectly decent guy apart all the nazi apologising and what not, but I simply am not interested in you in that way and will kindly ask you to keep out if my inbox. If you want to carry on telling me how left wing Hitler was ill gladly talk about it here "He messaged me too lol | |||
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"My mums parents are both Jewish. So don't call me a nazi apologist" And my mum drives a fiat, but that doesn't make me Italian - whats your point? I would have thought that should mean you had a better understand than most on what is a universally understood fact, but I guess not. | |||
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"@JosephSamuel90 im sure youre a perfectly decent guy apart all the nazi apologising and what not, but I simply am not interested in you in that way and will kindly ask you to keep out if my inbox. If you want to carry on telling me how left wing Hitler was ill gladly talk about it here "At what point did I 'apologise'for the nazis? My grandma was in the holocaust so take that sentence out your fucking mouth. I simply said I don't believe they were right-wing as right-wing is an economic term. Maybe I was wrong about them actually being right-wing economically, but the first point I made still stands. Right and left wing are not cover all terms, they're simply economic terms, as it states in the first fucking paragraph of the link I sent you. | |||
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"@JosephSamuel90 im sure youre a perfectly decent guy apart all the nazi apologising and what not, but I simply am not interested in you in that way and will kindly ask you to keep out if my inbox. If you want to carry on telling me how left wing Hitler was ill gladly talk about it here
At what point did I 'apologise'for the nazis? My grandma was in the holocaust so take that sentence out your fucking mouth. I simply said I don't believe they were right-wing as right-wing is an economic term. Maybe I was wrong about them actually being right-wing economically, but the first point I made still stands. Right and left wing are not cover all terms, they're simply economic terms, as it states in the first fucking paragraph of the link I sent you. "Id argue that claiming they were anything other than fundamentally right wing is going down a scary white-washing and historically wrong path. There be apologetic stances. There are skinheads all over the world who can't wait to tell you how misunderstood Hitler was. Getting it right is really fucking important for exactly that reason. Arguing left/right politics as a purely economic spectrum is dead wrong and you won't find anyone who knows what they're talking about who agrees with you. | |||
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"@JosephSamuel90 im sure youre a perfectly decent guy apart all the nazi apologising and what not, but I simply am not interested in you in that way and will kindly ask you to keep out if my inbox. If you want to carry on telling me how left wing Hitler was ill gladly talk about it here
He messaged me too lol
Honestly you 2 are like pathetic little weasels on a school playground. I've sent you a link to an extremely respected political website compiled by people with a much more vast political knowledge then yourself, that is used by academics in serious works, that proves the point I was making about left and right being economic not social terms but you dismissed it and called me a nazi apologist"You are trying to take the moral high ground by arguing the only thing right wing about the nazis was their economic policies. Your grandmother would be ashamed mate. | |||
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"Joseph this is clearly a v emotive subject for you for v good reasons. It's terrible for anybody to have lost family in such a way. You have my sympathy. But it's very odd you're so insistent that Nazis were not right wing. As far as I can tell you're basing that argument on cherry picked information. Also, please consider stepping away from this thread. It seems to be upsetting you. " I've admitted I was wrong that nazis weren't right-wing economically. My point still stands that left and right are fundamentally economic terms and as I say the website I provided a link to proves that. If your apology is sincere rather than just sarcy I genuinely accept that and accept you personally didn't call me a nazi apologists. But the other guy can go fuck himself | |||
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" Your grandmother would be ashamed mate." Classy comment | |||
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" Your grandmother would be ashamed mate. Classy comment " I stand by it. Anyone who went through the holocaust, or anyone with any common decency, would be appalled to hear someone argue the nazis were anything other than far right fascists. What good do you think youre doing by trying to present anything other than that? | |||
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" Your grandmother would be ashamed mate. Classy comment I stand by it. Anyone who went through the holocaust, or anyone with any common decency, would be appalled to hear someone argue the nazis were anything other than far right fascists. What good do you think youre doing by trying to present anything other than that? " I've presented my argument about 20 times already. I've already conceded they were right-wing economically now. But the main point I was making was that left and right are not blanket terms. They are economic terms. Stalin was as far left as you can be, because economically he was a communist. He still imposed a lot of racist and anti Semitic policies. Does that mean he was right-wing? No because the thing that defines someone as left or right is economics. Whether they're socially conservative, anti-immigration, pro gay marriage etc, is not a left or right issue, it's social conservative vs social liberal issue, or an authoritarian vs liberal issue. How hard is that to understand? | |||
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" Your grandmother would be ashamed mate. Classy comment I stand by it. Anyone who went through the holocaust, or anyone with any common decency, would be appalled to hear someone argue the nazis were anything other than far right fascists. What good do you think youre doing by trying to present anything other than that? I've presented my argument about 20 times already. I've already conceded they were right-wing economically now. But the main point I was making was that left and right are not blanket terms. They are economic terms. Stalin was as far left as you can be, because economically he was a communist. He still imposed a lot of racist and anti Semitic policies. Does that mean he was right-wing? No because the thing that defines someone as left or right is economics. Whether they're socially conservative, anti-immigration, pro gay marriage etc, is not a left or right issue, it's social conservative vs social liberal issue, or an authoritarian vs liberal issue. How hard is that to understand?" Nazi Germany was for the most part a capitalist economy. They were on a war footing for a lot of their time in power obviously, but that alone should be enough to help understand that left/right fundamentally isn't a economic issue. Its just plain wrong arguing that it is, but you carry on doing so. Its such a bizarre argument and makes no sense when faced with the overwhelming evidence of every other fact you could have about what make up the political spectrum. | |||
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" Your grandmother would be ashamed mate. Classy comment I stand by it. Anyone who went through the holocaust, or anyone with any common decency, would be appalled to hear someone argue the nazis were anything other than far right fascists. What good do you think youre doing by trying to present anything other than that? I've presented my argument about 20 times already. I've already conceded they were right-wing economically now. But the main point I was making was that left and right are not blanket terms. They are economic terms. Stalin was as far left as you can be, because economically he was a communist. He still imposed a lot of racist and anti Semitic policies. Does that mean he was right-wing? No because the thing that defines someone as left or right is economics. Whether they're socially conservative, anti-immigration, pro gay marriage etc, is not a left or right issue, it's social conservative vs social liberal issue, or an authoritarian vs liberal issue. How hard is that to understand? Nazi Germany was for the most part a capitalist economy. They were on a war footing for a lot of their time in power obviously, but that alone should be enough to help understand that left/right fundamentally isn't a economic issue. Its just plain wrong arguing that it is, but you carry on doing so. Its such a bizarre argument and makes no sense when faced with the overwhelming evidence of every other fact you could have about what make up the political spectrum. " You just keep repeating yourself, I've countered your point and presented my evidence. There's obviously no getting through to you. Go have an iron Bru and a wank over Nicola Sturgeon now because this argument is done | |||
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" Your grandmother would be ashamed mate. Classy comment I stand by it. Anyone who went through the holocaust, or anyone with any common decency, would be appalled to hear someone argue the nazis were anything other than far right fascists. What good do you think youre doing by trying to present anything other than that? I've presented my argument about 20 times already. I've already conceded they were right-wing economically now. But the main point I was making was that left and right are not blanket terms. They are economic terms. Stalin was as far left as you can be, because economically he was a communist. He still imposed a lot of racist and anti Semitic policies. Does that mean he was right-wing? No because the thing that defines someone as left or right is economics. Whether they're socially conservative, anti-immigration, pro gay marriage etc, is not a left or right issue, it's social conservative vs social liberal issue, or an authoritarian vs liberal issue. How hard is that to understand? Nazi Germany was for the most part a capitalist economy. They were on a war footing for a lot of their time in power obviously, but that alone should be enough to help understand that left/right fundamentally isn't a economic issue. Its just plain wrong arguing that it is, but you carry on doing so. Its such a bizarre argument and makes no sense when faced with the overwhelming evidence of every other fact you could have about what make up the political spectrum. You just keep repeating yourself, I've countered your point and presented my evidence. There's obviously no getting through to you. Go have an iron Bru and a wank over Nicola Sturgeon now because this argument is done" You presented a counter argument, you did not counter the argument, there is a difference | |||
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" Your grandmother would be ashamed mate. Classy comment I stand by it. Anyone who went through the holocaust, or anyone with any common decency, would be appalled to hear someone argue the nazis were anything other than far right fascists. What good do you think youre doing by trying to present anything other than that? I've presented my argument about 20 times already. I've already conceded they were right-wing economically now. But the main point I was making was that left and right are not blanket terms. They are economic terms. Stalin was as far left as you can be, because economically he was a communist. He still imposed a lot of racist and anti Semitic policies. Does that mean he was right-wing? No because the thing that defines someone as left or right is economics. Whether they're socially conservative, anti-immigration, pro gay marriage etc, is not a left or right issue, it's social conservative vs social liberal issue, or an authoritarian vs liberal issue. How hard is that to understand? Nazi Germany was for the most part a capitalist economy. They were on a war footing for a lot of their time in power obviously, but that alone should be enough to help understand that left/right fundamentally isn't a economic issue. Its just plain wrong arguing that it is, but you carry on doing so. Its such a bizarre argument and makes no sense when faced with the overwhelming evidence of every other fact you could have about what make up the political spectrum. You just keep repeating yourself, I've countered your point and presented my evidence. There's obviously no getting through to you. Go have an iron Bru and a wank over Nicola Sturgeon now because this argument is done" What were you saying about classy comments earlier? 
Look, you said a stupid thing and you embarrassed yourself. Instead of understanding where you went wrong you doubled down on the ignorance and dug in deep to a wrong idea.
Theres no measure by which you could consider the nazis to be anything other than right wing. The Right/left wing political spectrum is made up of a million different things, not just economics, which I guess is the biggest point youve missed. Saying it over and over again doesnt make it so, no matter how hard you want it to be.
As an aside to this; For someone who claims to understand the trials of a persecuted people better than most, you sure went to the cultural stereotypes as an insult really fucking fast. Take a long hard look in the mirror mate, maybe neat time you won't make yourself look so disgusting.
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