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"Simple?" Most of us manage it without any thought. So yeah, simple. | |||
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"So mental health issues, kids in the car, violent threatening gun-wielding cops surrounding his vehicle….not a factor? " So, I’ve got mental health issues, I’ve got a gun, I’m going to pop the kids in the car, put on a ski mask in the middle of summer. What could possibly go wrong? | |||
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"So mental health issues, kids in the car, violent threatening gun-wielding cops surrounding his vehicle….not a factor? So, I’ve got mental health issues, I’ve got a gun, I’m going to pop the kids in the car, put on a ski mask in the middle of summer. What could possibly go wrong? " I think the fact that he was shot over 60 times and was unarmed says something. Factor in that the latest shooter was randomly shooting into a crowd which included children with a automatic rifle, and was just arrested says loads to me. | |||
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"So mental health issues, kids in the car, violent threatening gun-wielding cops surrounding his vehicle….not a factor? So, I’ve got mental health issues, I’ve got a gun, I’m going to pop the kids in the car, put on a ski mask in the middle of summer. What could possibly go wrong? I think the fact that he was shot over 60 times and was unarmed says something. Factor in that the latest shooter was randomly shooting into a crowd which included children with a automatic rifle, and was just arrested says loads to me. " I think your intentionally using misleading language to prove your point “Unarmed” specifically. He had a weapon in the car, and used it. The police didn’t know he left it in the car when he exited. Your use of the word “unarmed” tried to paint the narrative that he either never had a weapon, or that the police somehow knew, magically, that he didn’t have the weapon on him | |||
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"So mental health issues, kids in the car, violent threatening gun-wielding cops surrounding his vehicle….not a factor? So, I’ve got mental health issues, I’ve got a gun, I’m going to pop the kids in the car, put on a ski mask in the middle of summer. What could possibly go wrong? I think the fact that he was shot over 60 times and was unarmed says something. Factor in that the latest shooter was randomly shooting into a crowd which included children with a automatic rifle, and was just arrested says loads to me. I think your intentionally using misleading language to prove your point “Unarmed” specifically. He had a weapon in the car, and used it. The police didn’t know he left it in the car when he exited. Your use of the word “unarmed” tried to paint the narrative that he either never had a weapon, or that the police somehow knew, magically, that he didn’t have the weapon on him" At the point of the shooting he was unarmed as his gun was in his car, in the USA every person has the right to bear arms as long as they have no criminal record and are mentally sound so having a gun in his car is not a reason to shoot him 60+ times, he fired his gun once as only one casing has been found. The other guy actually shot and killed sorry murdered 6 people with an automatic rifle he actually thought "I am going out today with my rifle and randomly shoot people" usually such people shoot themselves after the event as they believe the police will shoot them anyway. I am clueless as to how you can justify such an action, but I am not asking for you to educate me as its plain to me that there is something strange about the two recent incidents which one was multiple murders for no reason which is apparent. | |||
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"I am clueless as to how you can justify such an action, but I am not asking for you to educate me as its plain to me that there is something strange about the two recent incidents which one was multiple murders for no reason which is apparent." I think the answer is the name of this thread. Just my opinion... But kinda backed up by the entire history of policing | |||
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"I think the fact that he was shot over 60 times and was unarmed says something. Factor in that the latest shooter was randomly shooting into a crowd which included children with a automatic rifle, and was just arrested says loads to me. " The difference appears to be that the first guy had fired a shot at the police and was suspected to be carrying a gun, while the second guy left his weapon at the scene and was arrested several hours later when the police went to his house. | |||
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"I think the fact that he was shot over 60 times and was unarmed says something. Factor in that the latest shooter was randomly shooting into a crowd which included children with a automatic rifle, and was just arrested says loads to me. The difference appears to be that the first guy had fired a shot at the police and was suspected to be carrying a gun, while the second guy left his weapon at the scene and was arrested several hours later when the police went to his house." Basically this. But people want to see issues and draw conclusions that don’t exist And that’s not to say there isn’t issues. But this comparison is a poor one for showing it | |||
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"I think the fact that he was shot over 60 times and was unarmed says something. Factor in that the latest shooter was randomly shooting into a crowd which included children with a automatic rifle, and was just arrested says loads to me. The difference appears to be that the first guy had fired a shot at the police and was suspected to be carrying a gun, while the second guy left his weapon at the scene and was arrested several hours later when the police went to his house." He was arrested after a brief chase, yes a car chase after shooting 6 people dead, yes dead they are gone forever, the other fired once at the police all still breathing and after a brief chase was shot 60+ times. please have the right facts when discussing or debating. im outta here. drops mic. | |||
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"I think the fact that he was shot over 60 times and was unarmed says something. Factor in that the latest shooter was randomly shooting into a crowd which included children with a automatic rifle, and was just arrested says loads to me. The difference appears to be that the first guy had fired a shot at the police and was suspected to be carrying a gun, while the second guy left his weapon at the scene and was arrested several hours later when the police went to his house. He was arrested after a brief chase, yes a car chase after shooting 6 people dead, yes dead they are gone forever, the other fired once at the police all still breathing and after a brief chase was shot 60+ times. please have the right facts when discussing or debating. im outta here. drops mic." Probably for the best because your basing your opinion on emotion instead of logic | |||
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"The difference appears to be that the first guy had fired a shot at the police and was suspected to be carrying a gun, while the second guy left his weapon at the scene and was arrested several hours later when the police went to his house." "He was arrested after a brief chase ..." The latest seems to be that the police went to his house and camped out there. He was spotted in his car, and the police tried to stop him. There then followed "a brief pursuit", after which he got out of his car and surrendered. To make my previous post a bit more clear, the difference is that one bloke was shot after firing at police and then running away - the other was stopped 8 hours after his offence and, while he initially drove away, he subsequently surrendered to police who had had time to organise a method of capturing him. I'm not attempting to defend police in the US from accusations of racism, but I am saying that the circumstances of these 2 police actions were very different. | |||
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"Which one of those two criminals opened fire on the police?" At the police? No confirmation either did. While police were in the vicinity... both (allegedly) [this post has been an opinion] | |||
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"Which one of those two criminals opened fire on the police? At the police? No confirmation either did. While police were in the vicinity... both (allegedly) [this post has been an opinion]" I made a post a few up from here, along with another poster we mentioned that events and motives are different in the majority of cases. It would be interesting to see your response to my post above or the other posters, both are similar and should open the dialogue. | |||
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"Which one of those two criminals opened fire on the police? At the police? No confirmation either did. While police were in the vicinity... both (allegedly) [this post has been an opinion] I made a post a few up from here, along with another poster we mentioned that events and motives are different in the majority of cases. It would be interesting to see your response to my post above or the other posters, both are similar and should open the dialogue. " Like you I respond to the posts I feel like responding to, had I felt like responding to yours I would have. If you want my opinion, I think your post held some truth to it, but given the same evidence I believe entirely other conclusions can be reached, in addition to yours. Including a conclusion which coincides with the statement that there are double standards in policing in the US. Just like the civil rights lawyer said. [this has been an opinion] | |||
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"Which one of those two criminals opened fire on the police? At the police? No confirmation either did. While police were in the vicinity... both (allegedly) [this post has been an opinion] I made a post a few up from here, along with another poster we mentioned that events and motives are different in the majority of cases. It would be interesting to see your response to my post above or the other posters, both are similar and should open the dialogue. Like you I respond to the posts I feel like responding to, had I felt like responding to yours I would have. If you want my opinion, I think your post held some truth to it, but given the same evidence I believe entirely other conclusions can be reached, in addition to yours. Including a conclusion which coincides with the statement that there are double standards in policing in the US. Just like the civil rights lawyer said. [this has been an opinion]" No reason to be harsh, I wasn't sure if you had read either mine or the other posters comments, especially when you have been so vocal in accusing the police in the US of purposefully killing black people. | |||
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"Which one of those two criminals opened fire on the police? At the police? No confirmation either did. While police were in the vicinity... both (allegedly) [this post has been an opinion] I made a post a few up from here, along with another poster we mentioned that events and motives are different in the majority of cases. It would be interesting to see your response to my post above or the other posters, both are similar and should open the dialogue. Like you I respond to the posts I feel like responding to, had I felt like responding to yours I would have. If you want my opinion, I think your post held some truth to it, but given the same evidence I believe entirely other conclusions can be reached, in addition to yours. Including a conclusion which coincides with the statement that there are double standards in policing in the US. Just like the civil rights lawyer said. [this has been an opinion]" So you saying police can identify a suspect race under a ski mask in the dark? The "Racial equation" gets thrown out the window with that fact. | |||
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"What I truly do not understand is how hard people will argue for what amounts to "Yup, it is Right that that person is dead" Makes me truly lose faith in humanity. [this has been an opinion]" so you would rather perpetrators shoot at law enforcement first to justify a officer involved shooting. Here is a novel idea..show your hands and don't escalate the situation. | |||
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"What I truly do not understand is how hard people will argue for what amounts to "Yup, it is Right that that person is dead" Makes me truly lose faith in humanity. [this has been an opinion] so you would rather perpetrators shoot at law enforcement first to justify a officer involved shooting. Here is a novel idea..show your hands and don't escalate the situation." You are acting like those are the only two options. Do I think that trained police officers in body armour should confirm there is a threat before emptying 60 bullets into them? I don't think that is unreasonable. There are a myriad of de-escalation techniques that could have been employed, they tried one, then they went to shooting. [this has been an opinion] | |||
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"What I truly do not understand is how hard people will argue for what amounts to "Yup, it is Right that that person is dead" Makes me truly lose faith in humanity. [this has been an opinion] so you would rather perpetrators shoot at law enforcement first to justify a officer involved shooting. Here is a novel idea..show your hands and don't escalate the situation. You are acting like those are the only two options. Do I think that trained police officers in body armour should confirm there is a threat before emptying 60 bullets into them? I don't think that is unreasonable. There are a myriad of de-escalation techniques that could have been employed, they tried one, then they went to shooting. [this has been an opinion]" do you know how Many calibers can go straight through body armor? | |||
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"What I truly do not understand is how hard people will argue for what amounts to "Yup, it is Right that that person is dead" Makes me truly lose faith in humanity. [this has been an opinion] so you would rather perpetrators shoot at law enforcement first to justify a officer involved shooting. Here is a novel idea..show your hands and don't escalate the situation. You are acting like those are the only two options. Do I think that trained police officers in body armour should confirm there is a threat before emptying 60 bullets into them? I don't think that is unreasonable. There are a myriad of de-escalation techniques that could have been employed, they tried one, then they went to shooting. [this has been an opinion] do you know how Many calibers can go straight through body armor? " Why would we? We don’t have free access to guns so for most of us it’s not a concern | |||
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"What I truly do not understand is how hard people will argue for what amounts to "Yup, it is Right that that person is dead" Makes me truly lose faith in humanity. [this has been an opinion] so you would rather perpetrators shoot at law enforcement first to justify a officer involved shooting. Here is a novel idea..show your hands and don't escalate the situation. You are acting like those are the only two options. Do I think that trained police officers in body armour should confirm there is a threat before emptying 60 bullets into them? I don't think that is unreasonable. There are a myriad of de-escalation techniques that could have been employed, they tried one, then they went to shooting. [this has been an opinion] do you know how Many calibers can go straight through body armor? " I know a lot more can go through no body armour like the person they shot, with no clear threat. [this has been an opinion] | |||
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"What I truly do not understand is how hard people will argue for what amounts to "Yup, it is Right that that person is dead" Makes me truly lose faith in humanity. [this has been an opinion] so you would rather perpetrators shoot at law enforcement first to justify a officer involved shooting. Here is a novel idea..show your hands and don't escalate the situation. You are acting like those are the only two options. Do I think that trained police officers in body armour should confirm there is a threat before emptying 60 bullets into them? I don't think that is unreasonable. There are a myriad of de-escalation techniques that could have been employed, they tried one, then they went to shooting. [this has been an opinion] do you know how Many calibers can go straight through body armor? I know a lot more can go through no body armour like the person they shot, with no clear threat. [this has been an opinion] " So in your analogy police should be shot first. | |||
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"What I truly do not understand is how hard people will argue for what amounts to "Yup, it is Right that that person is dead" Makes me truly lose faith in humanity. [this has been an opinion] so you would rather perpetrators shoot at law enforcement first to justify a officer involved shooting. Here is a novel idea..show your hands and don't escalate the situation. You are acting like those are the only two options. Do I think that trained police officers in body armour should confirm there is a threat before emptying 60 bullets into them? I don't think that is unreasonable. There are a myriad of de-escalation techniques that could have been employed, they tried one, then they went to shooting. [this has been an opinion] do you know how Many calibers can go straight through body armor? I know a lot more can go through no body armour like the person they shot, with no clear threat. [this has been an opinion] So in your analogy police should be shot first." Again with the only two options. [this has been an opinion] | |||
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"What I truly do not understand is how hard people will argue for what amounts to "Yup, it is Right that that person is dead" Makes me truly lose faith in humanity. [this has been an opinion] so you would rather perpetrators shoot at law enforcement first to justify a officer involved shooting. Here is a novel idea..show your hands and don't escalate the situation. You are acting like those are the only two options. Do I think that trained police officers in body armour should confirm there is a threat before emptying 60 bullets into them? I don't think that is unreasonable. There are a myriad of de-escalation techniques that could have been employed, they tried one, then they went to shooting. [this has been an opinion] do you know how Many calibers can go straight through body armor? I know a lot more can go through no body armour like the person they shot, with no clear threat. [this has been an opinion] So in your analogy police should be shot first. Again with the only two options. [this has been an opinion]" Initial stop- option one - suspect fled. Gun fire heard on body cams and traffic cams. Suspect exits vehicle "with a ski mask" officers yell show your hands.13 of them. Suspect still didn't comply. Taser deployed still suspect did not comply. How many options do law enforcement need again? When a gun is involved? Again I ask can you identify a person in a car in a ski mask in the middle of the night?  | |||
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"What I truly do not understand is how hard people will argue for what amounts to "Yup, it is Right that that person is dead" Makes me truly lose faith in humanity. [this has been an opinion] so you would rather perpetrators shoot at law enforcement first to justify a officer involved shooting. Here is a novel idea..show your hands and don't escalate the situation. You are acting like those are the only two options. Do I think that trained police officers in body armour should confirm there is a threat before emptying 60 bullets into them? I don't think that is unreasonable. There are a myriad of de-escalation techniques that could have been employed, they tried one, then they went to shooting. [this has been an opinion] do you know how Many calibers can go straight through body armor? I know a lot more can go through no body armour like the person they shot, with no clear threat. [this has been an opinion] So in your analogy police should be shot first. Again with the only two options. [this has been an opinion] Initial stop- option one - suspect fled. Gun fire heard on body cams and traffic cams. Suspect exits vehicle "with a ski mask" officers yell show your hands.13 of them. Suspect still didn't comply. Taser deployed still suspect did not comply. How many options do law enforcement need again? When a gun is involved? Again I ask can you identify a person in a car in a ski mask in the middle of the night? "Carry on supporting the death of a man. Nothing I will say will change your unwavering support of a corrupt institution whose job is less dangerous than a delivery driver. They could have and should have done better. And if they couldn't do better they shouldn't be on the job. [this has been an opinion] | |||
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"What I truly do not understand is how hard people will argue for what amounts to "Yup, it is Right that that person is dead" Makes me truly lose faith in humanity. [this has been an opinion] so you would rather perpetrators shoot at law enforcement first to justify a officer involved shooting. Here is a novel idea..show your hands and don't escalate the situation. You are acting like those are the only two options. Do I think that trained police officers in body armour should confirm there is a threat before emptying 60 bullets into them? I don't think that is unreasonable. There are a myriad of de-escalation techniques that could have been employed, they tried one, then they went to shooting. [this has been an opinion] do you know how Many calibers can go straight through body armor? I know a lot more can go through no body armour like the person they shot, with no clear threat. [this has been an opinion] So in your analogy police should be shot first. Again with the only two options. [this has been an opinion] Initial stop- option one - suspect fled. Gun fire heard on body cams and traffic cams. Suspect exits vehicle "with a ski mask" officers yell show your hands.13 of them. Suspect still didn't comply. Taser deployed still suspect did not comply. How many options do law enforcement need again? When a gun is involved? Again I ask can you identify a person in a car in a ski mask in the middle of the night?
Carry on supporting the death of a man.
Nothing I will say will change your unwavering support of a corrupt institution whose job is less dangerous than a delivery driver.
They could have and should have done better. And if they couldn't do better they shouldn't be on the job.
[this has been an opinion]"And your complicit train of thought is exactly what is wrong here.  | |||
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"What I truly do not understand is how hard people will argue for what amounts to "Yup, it is Right that that person is dead" Makes me truly lose faith in humanity. [this has been an opinion] so you would rather perpetrators shoot at law enforcement first to justify a officer involved shooting. Here is a novel idea..show your hands and don't escalate the situation. You are acting like those are the only two options. Do I think that trained police officers in body armour should confirm there is a threat before emptying 60 bullets into them? I don't think that is unreasonable. There are a myriad of de-escalation techniques that could have been employed, they tried one, then they went to shooting. [this has been an opinion] do you know how Many calibers can go straight through body armor? I know a lot more can go through no body armour like the person they shot, with no clear threat. [this has been an opinion] So in your analogy police should be shot first. Again with the only two options. [this has been an opinion] Initial stop- option one - suspect fled. Gun fire heard on body cams and traffic cams. Suspect exits vehicle "with a ski mask" officers yell show your hands.13 of them. Suspect still didn't comply. Taser deployed still suspect did not comply. How many options do law enforcement need again? When a gun is involved? Again I ask can you identify a person in a car in a ski mask in the middle of the night?
Carry on supporting the death of a man.
Nothing I will say will change your unwavering support of a corrupt institution whose job is less dangerous than a delivery driver.
They could have and should have done better. And if they couldn't do better they shouldn't be on the job.
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The comment "whose job is less dangerous than a delivery driver", is really out of touch.
Delivery drivers are not asked to drive into life threatening situations da after day. They are most likely to be appreciated than hated by people who actually need them.
"According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), a delivery driver is at a higher risk of injury and death than a construction worker or police officer. It may not serve your narrative, but it is the finding of the US government. Google will find you the citations. [this has been an opinion] | |||
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"What I truly do not understand is how hard people will argue for what amounts to "Yup, it is Right that that person is dead" Makes me truly lose faith in humanity. [this has been an opinion] so you would rather perpetrators shoot at law enforcement first to justify a officer involved shooting. Here is a novel idea..show your hands and don't escalate the situation. You are acting like those are the only two options. Do I think that trained police officers in body armour should confirm there is a threat before emptying 60 bullets into them? I don't think that is unreasonable. There are a myriad of de-escalation techniques that could have been employed, they tried one, then they went to shooting. [this has been an opinion] do you know how Many calibers can go straight through body armor? I know a lot more can go through no body armour like the person they shot, with no clear threat. [this has been an opinion] So in your analogy police should be shot first. Again with the only two options. [this has been an opinion] Initial stop- option one - suspect fled. Gun fire heard on body cams and traffic cams. Suspect exits vehicle "with a ski mask" officers yell show your hands.13 of them. Suspect still didn't comply. Taser deployed still suspect did not comply. How many options do law enforcement need again? When a gun is involved? Again I ask can you identify a person in a car in a ski mask in the middle of the night?
Carry on supporting the death of a man.
Nothing I will say will change your unwavering support of a corrupt institution whose job is less dangerous than a delivery driver.
They could have and should have done better. And if they couldn't do better they shouldn't be on the job.
[this has been an opinion]"The comment "whose job is less dangerous than a delivery driver", is really out of touch. Delivery drivers are not asked to drive into life threatening situations da after day. They are most likely to be appreciated, not like the police who are hated by people who are committing crime, most of the time. | |||
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"What I truly do not understand is how hard people will argue for what amounts to "Yup, it is Right that that person is dead" Makes me truly lose faith in humanity. [this has been an opinion] so you would rather perpetrators shoot at law enforcement first to justify a officer involved shooting. Here is a novel idea..show your hands and don't escalate the situation. You are acting like those are the only two options. Do I think that trained police officers in body armour should confirm there is a threat before emptying 60 bullets into them? I don't think that is unreasonable. There are a myriad of de-escalation techniques that could have been employed, they tried one, then they went to shooting. [this has been an opinion] do you know how Many calibers can go straight through body armor? I know a lot more can go through no body armour like the person they shot, with no clear threat. [this has been an opinion] So in your analogy police should be shot first. Again with the only two options. [this has been an opinion] Initial stop- option one - suspect fled. Gun fire heard on body cams and traffic cams. Suspect exits vehicle "with a ski mask" officers yell show your hands.13 of them. Suspect still didn't comply. Taser deployed still suspect did not comply. How many options do law enforcement need again? When a gun is involved? Again I ask can you identify a person in a car in a ski mask in the middle of the night?
Carry on supporting the death of a man.
Nothing I will say will change your unwavering support of a corrupt institution whose job is less dangerous than a delivery driver.
They could have and should have done better. And if they couldn't do better they shouldn't be on the job.
[this has been an opinion]
The comment "whose job is less dangerous than a delivery driver", is really out of touch.
Delivery drivers are not asked to drive into life threatening situations da after day. They are most likely to be appreciated than hated by people who actually need them.
According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), a delivery driver is at a higher risk of injury and death than a construction worker or police officer.
It may not serve your narrative, but it is the finding of the US government.
Google will find you the citations.
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"And your complicit train of thought is exactly what is wrong here. "Ad Hominem [this has been an opinion] | |||
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"Because he fled, he was shot, not the first country to do it. I believe India introduced a similar idea just over 20 years ago. First year was a big statistic, but now not surprisingly hardly double figures. If the cop says stay where you, simple, stay where you are, the alternative hurts. " Comply or Die may have been made legal, does not make it moral or right. [this has been an opinion] | |||
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"Because he fled, he was shot, not the first country to do it. I believe India introduced a similar idea just over 20 years ago. First year was a big statistic, but now not surprisingly hardly double figures. If the cop says stay where you, simple, stay where you are, the alternative hurts. Comply or Die may have been made legal, does not make it moral or right. [this has been an opinion]" Imagine you are have been instructed by the US police in Ohio to comply, lie down and do not move. Do you run? Do you turn around as though brandishing a gun? What do you advise is the best course of action and why? | |||
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"Because he fled, he was shot, not the first country to do it. I believe India introduced a similar idea just over 20 years ago. First year was a big statistic, but now not surprisingly hardly double figures. If the cop says stay where you, simple, stay where you are, the alternative hurts. Comply or Die may have been made legal, does not make it moral or right. [this has been an opinion]" And a police officer has to comply to getting shot is morally right in your thought process. | |||
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"Do you turn around as though brandishing a gun?" That sentence is doing a lot of heavy lifting given the actual video evidence. [this has been an opinion] | |||
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"Do you turn around as though brandishing a gun? That sentence is doing a lot of heavy lifting given the actual video evidence. [this has been an opinion]" You get my point though? So what would be your advice in that situation? | |||
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"Because he fled, he was shot, not the first country to do it. I believe India introduced a similar idea just over 20 years ago. First year was a big statistic, but now not surprisingly hardly double figures. If the cop says stay where you, simple, stay where you are, the alternative hurts. Comply or Die may have been made legal, does not make it moral or right. [this has been an opinion] And a police officer has to comply to getting shot is morally right in your thought process." Again you reply stating there are only two options. [this has been an opinion] | |||
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"Do you turn around as though brandishing a gun? That sentence is doing a lot of heavy lifting given the actual video evidence. [this has been an opinion] You get my point though? So what would be your advice in that situation? " We aren't talking about me though. I would likely act differently than he did, but that in no way legitimizes or makes it right that he was killed. This is what aboutism and nothing more. [this has been an opinion] | |||
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"Thankfully here in the UK we are not so exposed to guns. None (very few) of us have any idea how we would act or react." When I'm walking through London and I see a firearms officer, I know exactly how I would act if he said lie down, or any other instruction to keep still, clue, it wouldn't be run | |||
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"Do you turn around as though brandishing a gun? That sentence is doing a lot of heavy lifting given the actual video evidence. [this has been an opinion] You get my point though? So what would be your advice in that situation? We aren't talking about me though. I would likely act differently than he did, but that in no way legitimizes or makes it right that he was killed. This is what aboutism and nothing more. [this has been an opinion]" You are avoiding the obvious to protect your point of view. The answer is clearly to follow instruction to avoid unnecessary conflict or misunderstanding that could escalate the situation further. | |||
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"Thankfully here in the UK we are not so exposed to guns. None (very few) of us have any idea how we would act or react. When I'm walking through London and I see a firearms officer, I know exactly how I would act if he said lie down, or any other instruction to keep still, clue, it wouldn't be run" If you did... It would be unlikely that Armed officer would shoot you without seeing an actual weapon. If he did there would be a massive multi-pronged inquiry on the matter. Like the one with Jermaine Baker where while it was deemed lawful by the courts it resulted in the MET being criticised for multiple failings. The Police can always do Better, and will only do that if they are forced by Public Outcry and pressure on those they answer to. [this has been an opinion] | |||
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"Do you turn around as though brandishing a gun? That sentence is doing a lot of heavy lifting given the actual video evidence. [this has been an opinion] You get my point though? So what would be your advice in that situation? We aren't talking about me though. I would likely act differently than he did, but that in no way legitimizes or makes it right that he was killed. This is what aboutism and nothing more. [this has been an opinion] You are avoiding the obvious to protect your point of view. The answer is clearly to follow instruction to avoid unnecessary conflict or misunderstanding that could escalate the situation further. " Again Comply or Die may be legal, doesn't make it right. [this has been an opinion] | |||
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"Do you turn around as though brandishing a gun? That sentence is doing a lot of heavy lifting given the actual video evidence. [this has been an opinion] You get my point though? So what would be your advice in that situation? We aren't talking about me though. I would likely act differently than he did, but that in no way legitimizes or makes it right that he was killed. This is what aboutism and nothing more. [this has been an opinion] You are avoiding the obvious to protect your point of view. The answer is clearly to follow instruction to avoid unnecessary conflict or misunderstanding that could escalate the situation further. Again Comply or Die may be legal, doesn't make it right. [this has been an opinion]" It does in a gun culture but you won't understand that. | |||
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"Do you turn around as though brandishing a gun? That sentence is doing a lot of heavy lifting given the actual video evidence. [this has been an opinion] You get my point though? So what would be your advice in that situation? We aren't talking about me though. I would likely act differently than he did, but that in no way legitimizes or makes it right that he was killed. This is what aboutism and nothing more. [this has been an opinion] You are avoiding the obvious to protect your point of view. The answer is clearly to follow instruction to avoid unnecessary conflict or misunderstanding that could escalate the situation further. Again Comply or Die may be legal, doesn't make it right. [this has been an opinion] It does in a gun culture but you won't understand that." Authoritarianism is ok cos we fetishize guns! ok... [this has been an opinion] | |||
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"Do you turn around as though brandishing a gun? That sentence is doing a lot of heavy lifting given the actual video evidence. [this has been an opinion] You get my point though? So what would be your advice in that situation? We aren't talking about me though. I would likely act differently than he did, but that in no way legitimizes or makes it right that he was killed. This is what aboutism and nothing more. [this has been an opinion] You are avoiding the obvious to protect your point of view. The answer is clearly to follow instruction to avoid unnecessary conflict or misunderstanding that could escalate the situation further. Again Comply or Die may be legal, doesn't make it right. [this has been an opinion] It does in a gun culture but you won't understand that. Authoritarianism is ok cos we fetishize guns! ok... [this has been an opinion]" You no argument  | |||
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"Do you turn around as though brandishing a gun? That sentence is doing a lot of heavy lifting given the actual video evidence. [this has been an opinion] You get my point though? So what would be your advice in that situation? We aren't talking about me though. I would likely act differently than he did, but that in no way legitimizes or makes it right that he was killed. This is what aboutism and nothing more. [this has been an opinion] You are avoiding the obvious to protect your point of view. The answer is clearly to follow instruction to avoid unnecessary conflict or misunderstanding that could escalate the situation further. Again Comply or Die may be legal, doesn't make it right. [this has been an opinion] It does in a gun culture but you won't understand that. Authoritarianism is ok cos we fetishize guns! ok... [this has been an opinion] You no argument "Every bit as much an argument as what I was replying to. Cos I literally reworded what you said. [this has been an opinion] | |||
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"According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), a delivery driver is at a higher risk of injury and death than a construction worker or police officer. [this has been an opinion]" Up to now I've been reading your tag "this has been an opinion" as meaning "there are no facts in this post". Have I misunderstood you? | |||
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"According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), a delivery driver is at a higher risk of injury and death than a construction worker or police officer. [this has been an opinion] Up to now I've been reading your tag "this has been an opinion" as meaning "there are no facts in this post". Have I misunderstood you?" I stand by what I say, but when I don't explicitly state it is an opinion (even if that opinion is backed by data) then I have had people attacking me for presenting opinion as fact, even if I don't claim it as fact... so that is why I added it. [this has been an opinion] | |||
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"I am a bit mystified as to why this thread is on the UK politics forum as the OP is from the USA. "I am British... Living on the south Coast. Also isn't this just the Politics Forum, not a UK specific politics forum? | |||
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"I am a bit mystified as to why this thread is on the UK politics forum as the OP is from the USA.
I am British... Living on the south Coast.
Also isn't this just the Politics Forum, not a UK specific politics forum?"Apologies I meant the Larksville resident who seems to be bringing a lot of American Beef to the forum  | |||
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"I am a bit mystified as to why this thread is on the UK politics forum as the OP is from the USA.
I am British... Living on the south Coast.
Also isn't this just the Politics Forum, not a UK specific politics forum?
Apologies I meant the Larksville resident who seems to be bringing a lot of American Beef to the forum "Oh right, I know who you mean | |||
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"Because he fled, he was shot, not the first country to do it. I believe India introduced a similar idea just over 20 years ago. First year was a big statistic, but now not surprisingly hardly double figures. If the cop says stay where you, simple, stay where you are, the alternative hurts. Comply or Die may have been made legal, does not make it moral or right. [this has been an opinion] Imagine you are have been instructed by the US police in Ohio to comply, lie down and do not move. Do you run? Do you turn around as though brandishing a gun? What do you advise is the best course of action and why?" Having been on the end of a US cops gun, strangely you become all ears and comply. Not unusual, at night US cops will approach the occupants of a car with gun drawn. | |||
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"On another similar thread. I pointed out that around this time in another state . 3 police officers were killed and others injured. From reports I have read. They officers were trying to issue an arrest warrant at persons home without warning. When he opened fire on them. It appears the officers were not suspecting any problems ? Yes a white male . This is opposite to what some are saying about US police on this thread. ? " The same racism drives both They saw a black man and assumed a threat, he died for it They saw a white man and didn't see a threat and they suffered for it. The same core fundamental problem underlay both. Most people when railing against the racism just want the police to apply their training and experience the same regardless of the skin of the suspect. Ideally in a fashion which results in the least dead people. (On both sides) Thats my view anyway | |||
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