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"So now he is a president with no power who will he try to woo to back him up the left the right or the greens? personally i dont think he will get any help with his plans to raise the retirement age no one will want to be associated with that as they will be tainted for years as the plan is so unpopular. " Didn't effect the popularity of the Tories, people vote for them regardless of the upping of the age to receive state pension. Do you think the French are more clued in than we are, and won't stand for it? | |||
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"So now he is a president with no power who will he try to woo to back him up the left the right or the greens? personally i dont think he will get any help with his plans to raise the retirement age no one will want to be associated with that as they will be tainted for years as the plan is so unpopular. Didn't effect the popularity of the Tories, people vote for them regardless of the upping of the age to receive state pension. Do you think the French are more clued in than we are, and won't stand for it?" By what ive read the raising of retirement age is not popular with the people which is understandable but needs to be done. What im saying is i think the other partys will let him own that one even if they agree so they can use it against him and his party next time. | |||
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"So now he is a president with no power who will he try to woo to back him up the left the right or the greens? personally i dont think he will get any help with his plans to raise the retirement age no one will want to be associated with that as they will be tainted for years as the plan is so unpopular. Didn't effect the popularity of the Tories, people vote for them regardless of the upping of the age to receive state pension. Do you think the French are more clued in than we are, and won't stand for it?By what ive read the raising of retirement age is not popular with the people which is understandable but needs to be done. What im saying is i think the other partys will let him own that one even if they agree so they can use it against him and his party next time." Hopefully the other parties will have the interests of the French people at heart. | |||
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"So now he is a president with no power who will he try to woo to back him up the left the right or the greens? personally i dont think he will get any help with his plans to raise the retirement age no one will want to be associated with that as they will be tainted for years as the plan is so unpopular. Didn't effect the popularity of the Tories, people vote for them regardless of the upping of the age to receive state pension. Do you think the French are more clued in than we are, and won't stand for it?By what ive read the raising of retirement age is not popular with the people which is understandable but needs to be done. What im saying is i think the other partys will let him own that one even if they agree so they can use it against him and his party next time. Hopefully the other parties will have the interests of the French people at heart."  have you no idea how politicians work? | |||
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"So now he is a president with no power who will he try to woo to back him up the left the right or the greens? personally i dont think he will get any help with his plans to raise the retirement age no one will want to be associated with that as they will be tainted for years as the plan is so unpopular. Didn't effect the popularity of the Tories, people vote for them regardless of the upping of the age to receive state pension. Do you think the French are more clued in than we are, and won't stand for it?By what ive read the raising of retirement age is not popular with the people which is understandable but needs to be done. What im saying is i think the other partys will let him own that one even if they agree so they can use it against him and his party next time. Hopefully the other parties will have the interests of the French people at heart." Not sure how raising the retirement age can associated with having the interests of the French people. Now listen up citizens, we are going to make you work for a few more years past the normal retirement age but we think it's for the good of your health.! | |||
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"So now he is a president with no power who will he try to woo to back him up the left the right or the greens? personally i dont think he will get any help with his plans to raise the retirement age no one will want to be associated with that as they will be tainted for years as the plan is so unpopular. Didn't effect the popularity of the Tories, people vote for them regardless of the upping of the age to receive state pension. Do you think the French are more clued in than we are, and won't stand for it?By what ive read the raising of retirement age is not popular with the people which is understandable but needs to be done. What im saying is i think the other partys will let him own that one even if they agree so they can use it against him and his party next time. Hopefully the other parties will have the interests of the French people at heart. Not sure how raising the retirement age can associated with having the interests of the French people. Now listen up citizens, we are going to make you work for a few more years past the normal retirement age but we think it's for the good of your health.!" Uh hu. I'm saying that hopefully they don't. Like the other guy said, the Tories can do it because people blindly vote for them consistently. But Macron will struggle to get through something that's unpopular. Apparently the French voters are more savvy and won't vote for a someone who will fuck them over. | |||
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"So now he is a president with no power who will he try to woo to back him up the left the right or the greens? personally i dont think he will get any help with his plans to raise the retirement age no one will want to be associated with that as they will be tainted for years as the plan is so unpopular. Didn't effect the popularity of the Tories, people vote for them regardless of the upping of the age to receive state pension. Do you think the French are more clued in than we are, and won't stand for it?By what ive read the raising of retirement age is not popular with the people which is understandable but needs to be done. What im saying is i think the other partys will let him own that one even if they agree so they can use it against him and his party next time. Hopefully the other parties will have the interests of the French people at heart. have you no idea how politicians work?"I know how the government here works. Suck as much money and power from ordinary people, syphon it off to their mates, meanwhile not only convince people to vote for them, but also bash anyone who dares to question them. Is it the same in France? | |||
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"So now he is a president with no power who will he try to woo to back him up the left the right or the greens? personally i dont think he will get any help with his plans to raise the retirement age no one will want to be associated with that as they will be tainted for years as the plan is so unpopular. Didn't effect the popularity of the Tories, people vote for them regardless of the upping of the age to receive state pension. Do you think the French are more clued in than we are, and won't stand for it?By what ive read the raising of retirement age is not popular with the people which is understandable but needs to be done. What im saying is i think the other partys will let him own that one even if they agree so they can use it against him and his party next time. Hopefully the other parties will have the interests of the French people at heart. have you no idea how politicians work?
I know how the government here works. Suck as much money and power from ordinary people, syphon it off to their mates, meanwhile not only convince people to vote for them, but also bash anyone who dares to question them.
Is it the same in France?" politicians will say anything they think is popular while they dont have the power to do anything about it if it makes the opposition look bad its the same the world over unless you live in russia,china, n korea etc. | |||
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"So now he is a president with no power who will he try to woo to back him up the left the right or the greens? personally i dont think he will get any help with his plans to raise the retirement age no one will want to be associated with that as they will be tainted for years as the plan is so unpopular. Didn't effect the popularity of the Tories, people vote for them regardless of the upping of the age to receive state pension. Do you think the French are more clued in than we are, and won't stand for it?By what ive read the raising of retirement age is not popular with the people which is understandable but needs to be done. What im saying is i think the other partys will let him own that one even if they agree so they can use it against him and his party next time. Hopefully the other parties will have the interests of the French people at heart. have you no idea how politicians work?
I know how the government here works. Suck as much money and power from ordinary people, syphon it off to their mates, meanwhile not only convince people to vote for them, but also bash anyone who dares to question them.
Is it the same in France? politicians will say anything they think is popular while they dont have the power to do anything about it if it makes the opposition look bad its the same the world over unless you live in russia,china, n korea etc."Right. We're nearly agreeing here. Scary times. | |||
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"So now he is a president with no power who will he try to woo to back him up the left the right or the greens? personally i dont think he will get any help with his plans to raise the retirement age no one will want to be associated with that as they will be tainted for years as the plan is so unpopular. Didn't effect the popularity of the Tories, people vote for them regardless of the upping of the age to receive state pension. Do you think the French are more clued in than we are, and won't stand for it?By what ive read the raising of retirement age is not popular with the people which is understandable but needs to be done. What im saying is i think the other partys will let him own that one even if they agree so they can use it against him and his party next time. Hopefully the other parties will have the interests of the French people at heart. have you no idea how politicians work?
I know how the government here works. Suck as much money and power from ordinary people, syphon it off to their mates, meanwhile not only convince people to vote for them, but also bash anyone who dares to question them.
Is it the same in France? politicians will say anything they think is popular while they dont have the power to do anything about it if it makes the opposition look bad its the same the world over unless you live in russia,china, n korea etc.
Right. We're nearly agreeing here. Scary times.
"I don't see why people can't work beyond retirement age if they are happy to do so. My old boss retired a couple of weeks ago and he was in his seventies. When my father finally retired he was 80. People in general are a lot more healthy and live longer these days than when the rules were first introduced. So extending retirement age is not so controversial imo. | |||
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"So now he is a president with no power who will he try to woo to back him up the left the right or the greens? personally i dont think he will get any help with his plans to raise the retirement age no one will want to be associated with that as they will be tainted for years as the plan is so unpopular. Didn't effect the popularity of the Tories, people vote for them regardless of the upping of the age to receive state pension. Do you think the French are more clued in than we are, and won't stand for it?By what ive read the raising of retirement age is not popular with the people which is understandable but needs to be done. What im saying is i think the other partys will let him own that one even if they agree so they can use it against him and his party next time. Hopefully the other parties will have the interests of the French people at heart. have you no idea how politicians work?
I know how the government here works. Suck as much money and power from ordinary people, syphon it off to their mates, meanwhile not only convince people to vote for them, but also bash anyone who dares to question them.
Is it the same in France? politicians will say anything they think is popular while they dont have the power to do anything about it if it makes the opposition look bad its the same the world over unless you live in russia,china, n korea etc.
Right. We're nearly agreeing here. Scary times.
I don't see why people can't work beyond retirement age if they are happy to do so. My old boss retired a couple of weeks ago and he was in his seventies. When my father finally retired he was 80.
People in general are a lot more healthy and live longer these days than when the rules were first introduced. So extending retirement age is not so controversial imo."I agree also back in the 60,s you could leave school at 15 and most people got a job when they did.Now many more are leaving at 17 or 18 then going on to further education and so not paying in to the system until much later in life. | |||
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"So now he is a president with no power who will he try to woo to back him up the left the right or the greens? personally i dont think he will get any help with his plans to raise the retirement age no one will want to be associated with that as they will be tainted for years as the plan is so unpopular. Didn't effect the popularity of the Tories, people vote for them regardless of the upping of the age to receive state pension. Do you think the French are more clued in than we are, and won't stand for it?By what ive read the raising of retirement age is not popular with the people which is understandable but needs to be done. What im saying is i think the other partys will let him own that one even if they agree so they can use it against him and his party next time. Hopefully the other parties will have the interests of the French people at heart. have you no idea how politicians work?
I know how the government here works. Suck as much money and power from ordinary people, syphon it off to their mates, meanwhile not only convince people to vote for them, but also bash anyone who dares to question them.
Is it the same in France? politicians will say anything they think is popular while they dont have the power to do anything about it if it makes the opposition look bad its the same the world over unless you live in russia,china, n korea etc.
Right. We're nearly agreeing here. Scary times.
I don't see why people can't work beyond retirement age if they are happy to do so. My old boss retired a couple of weeks ago and he was in his seventies. When my father finally retired he was 80.
People in general are a lot more healthy and live longer these days than when the rules were first introduced. So extending retirement age is not so controversial imo."That's not what you said a few posts ago. You said it wouldn't be in the interests of French people | |||
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"So now he is a president with no power who will he try to woo to back him up the left the right or the greens? personally i dont think he will get any help with his plans to raise the retirement age no one will want to be associated with that as they will be tainted for years as the plan is so unpopular. Didn't effect the popularity of the Tories, people vote for them regardless of the upping of the age to receive state pension. Do you think the French are more clued in than we are, and won't stand for it?By what ive read the raising of retirement age is not popular with the people which is understandable but needs to be done. What im saying is i think the other partys will let him own that one even if they agree so they can use it against him and his party next time. Hopefully the other parties will have the interests of the French people at heart. have you no idea how politicians work?
I know how the government here works. Suck as much money and power from ordinary people, syphon it off to their mates, meanwhile not only convince people to vote for them, but also bash anyone who dares to question them.
Is it the same in France? politicians will say anything they think is popular while they dont have the power to do anything about it if it makes the opposition look bad its the same the world over unless you live in russia,china, n korea etc.
Right. We're nearly agreeing here. Scary times.
I don't see why people can't work beyond retirement age if they are happy to do so. My old boss retired a couple of weeks ago and he was in his seventies. When my father finally retired he was 80.
People in general are a lot more healthy and live longer these days than when the rules were first introduced. So extending retirement age is not so controversial imo.
That's not what you said a few posts ago. You said it wouldn't be in the interests of French people
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"So now he is a president with no power who will he try to woo to back him up the left the right or the greens? personally i dont think he will get any help with his plans to raise the retirement age no one will want to be associated with that as they will be tainted for years as the plan is so unpopular. Didn't effect the popularity of the Tories, people vote for them regardless of the upping of the age to receive state pension. Do you think the French are more clued in than we are, and won't stand for it?By what ive read the raising of retirement age is not popular with the people which is understandable but needs to be done. What im saying is i think the other partys will let him own that one even if they agree so they can use it against him and his party next time. Hopefully the other parties will have the interests of the French people at heart. have you no idea how politicians work?
I know how the government here works. Suck as much money and power from ordinary people, syphon it off to their mates, meanwhile not only convince people to vote for them, but also bash anyone who dares to question them.
Is it the same in France? politicians will say anything they think is popular while they dont have the power to do anything about it if it makes the opposition look bad its the same the world over unless you live in russia,china, n korea etc.
Right. We're nearly agreeing here. Scary times.
I don't see why people can't work beyond retirement age if they are happy to do so. My old boss retired a couple of weeks ago and he was in his seventies. When my father finally retired he was 80.
People in general are a lot more healthy and live longer these days than when the rules were first introduced. So extending retirement age is not so controversial imo.
That's not what you said a few posts ago. You said it wouldn't be in the interests of French people
"Where did i say that????? think you are getting me mixed up mate i said i can see it needs to be done but i can also see why the french people would resist it.  | |||
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"So now he is a president with no power who will he try to woo to back him up the left the right or the greens? personally i dont think he will get any help with his plans to raise the retirement age no one will want to be associated with that as they will be tainted for years as the plan is so unpopular. Didn't effect the popularity of the Tories, people vote for them regardless of the upping of the age to receive state pension. Do you think the French are more clued in than we are, and won't stand for it?By what ive read the raising of retirement age is not popular with the people which is understandable but needs to be done. What im saying is i think the other partys will let him own that one even if they agree so they can use it against him and his party next time. Hopefully the other parties will have the interests of the French people at heart. have you no idea how politicians work?
I know how the government here works. Suck as much money and power from ordinary people, syphon it off to their mates, meanwhile not only convince people to vote for them, but also bash anyone who dares to question them.
Is it the same in France? politicians will say anything they think is popular while they dont have the power to do anything about it if it makes the opposition look bad its the same the world over unless you live in russia,china, n korea etc.
Right. We're nearly agreeing here. Scary times.
I don't see why people can't work beyond retirement age if they are happy to do so. My old boss retired a couple of weeks ago and he was in his seventies. When my father finally retired he was 80.
People in general are a lot more healthy and live longer these days than when the rules were first introduced. So extending retirement age is not so controversial imo."I *think* you are missing the point? This is about the age at which you become entitled to state pension. Nobody has to retire and plenty of people continue working past state pension age (just have a wander around M&S). It obviously depends what type of work you do. State pensions are basically a pyramid (Ponzi?) scheme that depends on having enough young workers paying tax to support the retired population. The first world countries have a crisis with generally negative native population growth and an increasingly older population (people living longer and therefore drawing a pension for longer). Unpopular as it is with some people, that is one of the reasons Govts have encouraged/welcomed immigration, to ensure there are enough young people entering the workforce to pay for the pensions of, ironically, the old people who in many cases are anti immigrants (not just asylum seekers crossing the channel). | |||
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"Why does he have to chose? Each problem he faces could be assisted by either side. Blinkered indoctrination of a political viewpoint is what leads to poor government. Brexit is hurting this country but the cabinet won’t have it even mentioned . That’s an example of poor blinkered government. So rather than address the problem they ignore it as it gets worse. The point I’m making is about poor government doctrine not Brexit so not trying to go there. " So you think he can rule that way? mate you are living in dreamland he will need to give something to get something and he cannot swing left and right it doesn't make sense.Why do you think governments form coalitions you cannot rule with a minority. | |||
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"So now he is a president with no power who will he try to woo to back him up the left the right or the greens? personally i dont think he will get any help with his plans to raise the retirement age no one will want to be associated with that as they will be tainted for years as the plan is so unpopular. Didn't effect the popularity of the Tories, people vote for them regardless of the upping of the age to receive state pension. Do you think the French are more clued in than we are, and won't stand for it?By what ive read the raising of retirement age is not popular with the people which is understandable but needs to be done. What im saying is i think the other partys will let him own that one even if they agree so they can use it against him and his party next time. Hopefully the other parties will have the interests of the French people at heart. Not sure how raising the retirement age can associated with having the interests of the French people. Now listen up citizens, we are going to make you work for a few more years past the normal retirement age but we think it's for the good of your health.!" And those in employment will need to pay more for the privilege. The idea looks good on paper. | |||
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"Retirement age is based on incorrect projections that expected consistent life expectancy growth. Life expectancy hasn't increased in the West for many years now. Everybody who has worked their life should be able to get a not means tested state pension at 65. Who are the people who are saying the state pension age must be raised?" life expectancy hasnt grown much over the last ten years... But since 1980 it's gone up 10 years. And for those who reach 65 it's gone up 5 It's not a huge amount in years ... But it is abou 40pc increase... So costly !! | |||
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