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"Whatever the merits of the Rwanda plan as a deterrent, does anyone truly believe that sending people who have travelled on foot across a continent in search of a better life should be dropped into the middle of Africa with no recourse? To me it just seems, cruel to the point of being inhuman, callous and just simply a disgusting way to treat any other human being irrespective of who they are. Why can’t the United Kingdom simply operate safe asylum routes like every other civilised country in the world?" Where from ? War torn France ? | |||
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"Whatever the merits of the Rwanda plan as a deterrent, does anyone truly believe that sending people who have travelled on foot across a continent in search of a better life should be dropped into the middle of Africa with no recourse? To me it just seems, cruel to the point of being inhuman, callous and just simply a disgusting way to treat any other human being irrespective of who they are. Why can’t the United Kingdom simply operate safe asylum routes like every other civilised country in the world? Where from ? War torn France ?give me a chance to get my bingo card ready... "  | |||
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"They come from France because benefits are higher. " Are they ? I found this The reality is that the refugees who apply for asylum here – usually because of family ties or shared language – don’t have access to any more benefits than in other places. In the UK, the weekly allowance for an adult asylum-seeker £37.75. That is lower than in France where people get £42.84 each week and considerably lower than in Germany where they get £65.63. Maybe it's more generous after being accepted... But how much of payrise would you demand if you had to cross the channel on a dinghy to get it ... | |||
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"Seems the UN and the eu didnt see it as a problem a few years ago has the country got worse now? The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees Filippo Grandi has commended Rwanda for its continued efforts to provide a safe condition for refugees evacuated from Libya. He is in Rwanda for a four-day visit (Apr 24 - 27, 2021) to witness ongoing refugee operations and to discuss challenges faced by the government and partners in a bid to find solutions in refugee management affairs. " You don't get it do you? Syrians, Afghans and others have travelled on foot across Europe looking for a better life than they had. At this point whether they are "true" asylum seekers or what others refer to as economic migrants, its irrelevant. Conceptually, these are people who have made dangerous border crossings and taken great risks BECAUSE the United Kingdom no longer has a single asylum processing centre anywhere in the world. I think in fact we are leading the world in creating an impossible route for asylum seekers to enter the country - even former friends, associates and colleagues in Afghanistan are facing a stonewall of inaction. Their reward for all of their risk, effort and hope is to be dropped into the middle of Africa as far away from the United Kingdom as possible. Anyone who feels comfortable that this is being done in there name cannot possess one iota of compassion for their fellow human beings. Prince Charles has allegedly called it "appalling," but seemingly it appeals greatly to some people. What is it? Is sticking it to brown people going to make their lives better? Does it give them a kind of warm fuzzy glow thinking the glorious empire is once again taking a stick to the savages and putting them in their place? | |||
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"Seems the UN and the eu didnt see it as a problem a few years ago has the country got worse now? The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees Filippo Grandi has commended Rwanda for its continued efforts to provide a safe condition for refugees evacuated from Libya. He is in Rwanda for a four-day visit (Apr 24 - 27, 2021) to witness ongoing refugee operations and to discuss challenges faced by the government and partners in a bid to find solutions in refugee management affairs. " The UN use Rwanda as a transit country not a destination. It aids either the repatriation or a chosen destination of Africans in need. They are not dumped there. | |||
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"They come from France because benefits are higher. Are they ? I found this The reality is that the refugees who apply for asylum here – usually because of family ties or shared language – don’t have access to any more benefits than in other places. In the UK, the weekly allowance for an adult asylum-seeker £37.75. That is lower than in France where people get £42.84 each week and considerably lower than in Germany where they get £65.63. Maybe it's more generous after being accepted... But how much of payrise would you demand if you had to cross the channel on a dinghy to get it ... " They get free housing, education, schools, benefits, etc. so, yes, they have an incentive. | |||
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"They come from France because benefits are higher. Are they ? I found this The reality is that the refugees who apply for asylum here – usually because of family ties or shared language – don’t have access to any more benefits than in other places. In the UK, the weekly allowance for an adult asylum-seeker £37.75. That is lower than in France where people get £42.84 each week and considerably lower than in Germany where they get £65.63. Maybe it's more generous after being accepted... But how much of payrise would you demand if you had to cross the channel on a dinghy to get it ... They get free housing, education, schools, benefits, etc. so, yes, they have an incentive. " do they not get this in France? | |||
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"They come from France because benefits are higher. Are they ? I found this The reality is that the refugees who apply for asylum here – usually because of family ties or shared language – don’t have access to any more benefits than in other places. In the UK, the weekly allowance for an adult asylum-seeker £37.75. That is lower than in France where people get £42.84 each week and considerably lower than in Germany where they get £65.63. Maybe it's more generous after being accepted... But how much of payrise would you demand if you had to cross the channel on a dinghy to get it ... They get free housing, education, schools, benefits, etc. so, yes, they have an incentive. " Maybe give them a tent and a sleeping bag? To share . They are kept in substandard hotels, housing or ex army camps. Luxury. Worth dying for perhaps? | |||
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"They come from France because benefits are higher. Are they ? I found this The reality is that the refugees who apply for asylum here – usually because of family ties or shared language – don’t have access to any more benefits than in other places. In the UK, the weekly allowance for an adult asylum-seeker £37.75. That is lower than in France where people get £42.84 each week and considerably lower than in Germany where they get £65.63. Maybe it's more generous after being accepted... But how much of payrise would you demand if you had to cross the channel on a dinghy to get it ... They get free housing, education, schools, benefits, etc. so, yes, they have an incentive. Maybe give them a tent and a sleeping bag? To share . They are kept in substandard hotels, housing or ex army camps. Luxury. Worth dying for perhaps? " a tent and sleeping bag is more than some veterans get jackal | |||
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"Seems the UN and the eu didnt see it as a problem a few years ago has the country got worse now? The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees Filippo Grandi has commended Rwanda for its continued efforts to provide a safe condition for refugees evacuated from Libya. He is in Rwanda for a four-day visit (Apr 24 - 27, 2021) to witness ongoing refugee operations and to discuss challenges faced by the government and partners in a bid to find solutions in refugee management affairs. You don't get it do you? Syrians, Afghans and others have travelled on foot across Europe looking for a better life than they had. At this point whether they are "true" asylum seekers or what others refer to as economic migrants, its irrelevant. Conceptually, these are people who have made dangerous border crossings and taken great risks BECAUSE the United Kingdom no longer has a single asylum processing centre anywhere in the world. I think in fact we are leading the world in creating an impossible route for asylum seekers to enter the country - even former friends, associates and colleagues in Afghanistan are facing a stonewall of inaction. Their reward for all of their risk, effort and hope is to be dropped into the middle of Africa as far away from the United Kingdom as possible. Anyone who feels comfortable that this is being done in there name cannot possess one iota of compassion for their fellow human beings. Prince Charles has allegedly called it "appalling," but seemingly it appeals greatly to some people. What is it? Is sticking it to brown people going to make their lives better? Does it give them a kind of warm fuzzy glow thinking the glorious empire is once again taking a stick to the savages and putting them in their place?" What a load of boll@x this country does not have enough houses to house the people we have nothing to do with brown people or empires its just reality when people have paid into a system all their lives and their kids cant get an affordable house to live in. | |||
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""What a load of boll@x this country does not have enough houses to house the people we have nothing to do with brown people or empires its just reality when people have paid into a system all their lives and their kids cant get an affordable house to live in."" Whether you have "paid in" to the country or not, where does that sense of entitlement come from ? The State owes you nothing. It's funny, but my friend was very much a "Nanny State this, and Nanny State that", yet he saw no hypocrisy in collecting his state pension, getting free NHS care, and numerous other benefits. It seemed therefore benefits were ok, provided they were for people like him. | |||
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"Seems the UN and the eu didnt see it as a problem a few years ago has the country got worse now? The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees Filippo Grandi has commended Rwanda for its continued efforts to provide a safe condition for refugees evacuated from Libya. He is in Rwanda for a four-day visit (Apr 24 - 27, 2021) to witness ongoing refugee operations and to discuss challenges faced by the government and partners in a bid to find solutions in refugee management affairs. You don't get it do you? Syrians, Afghans and others have travelled on foot across Europe looking for a better life than they had. At this point whether they are "true" asylum seekers or what others refer to as economic migrants, its irrelevant. Conceptually, these are people who have made dangerous border crossings and taken great risks BECAUSE the United Kingdom no longer has a single asylum processing centre anywhere in the world. I think in fact we are leading the world in creating an impossible route for asylum seekers to enter the country - even former friends, associates and colleagues in Afghanistan are facing a stonewall of inaction. Their reward for all of their risk, effort and hope is to be dropped into the middle of Africa as far away from the United Kingdom as possible. Anyone who feels comfortable that this is being done in there name cannot possess one iota of compassion for their fellow human beings. Prince Charles has allegedly called it "appalling," but seemingly it appeals greatly to some people. What is it? Is sticking it to brown people going to make their lives better? Does it give them a kind of warm fuzzy glow thinking the glorious empire is once again taking a stick to the savages and putting them in their place?What a load of boll@x this country does not have enough houses to house the people we have nothing to do with brown people or empires its just reality when people have paid into a system all their lives and their kids cant get an affordable house to live in." It’s astonishing that you think that the arrival of desperate people is somehow related to a lack of housing. There was a presenter on LBC just the other commenting on the underlying sense of racist entitlement that comes from attitudes like that. Governments are responsible for providing the infrastructure in a country. They are the ones who have failed to address the issues with houses, schools, GP’s ( and the NHS generally). Turning your back on people in need is one thing. Dropping them off in the middle of Africa is even worse. | |||
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"Why can’t the United Kingdom simply operate safe asylum routes like every other civilised country in the world?" Can you give us an example of what sort of asylum routes you're thinking of, and a country that operates that scheme. | |||
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"Conceptually, these are people who have made dangerous border crossings and taken great risks BECAUSE the United Kingdom no longer has a single asylum processing centre anywhere in the world." Has the UK ever had asylum processing centres outside of its borders? I don't mean immigration centres, I mean actual asylum centres. | |||
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"Here’s a suggestion Tell all asylum seekers if they bring a passport or ID to Calais we will let them in safely and if we want to let them stay they can. Seeing as only a very small percentage of applications are refused then less people will risk their lives and we won’t need to threaten anyone who is entitled to stay." That's an interesting idea. I wonder if we would see a flood of applicants, or whether levels would stay as they are. It won't stop the people crossing in small boats though, as it seems that all of those have no passports or other identifying documents. | |||
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"Why can’t the United Kingdom simply operate safe asylum routes like every other civilised country in the world? Can you give us an example of what sort of asylum routes you're thinking of, and a country that operates that scheme." is not running ATM, but I belive cubans can apply for asylum in US while still in Cuba ! | |||
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"Why can’t the United Kingdom simply operate safe asylum routes like every other civilised country in the world?" "Can you give us an example of what sort of asylum routes you're thinking of, and a country that operates that scheme." "is not running ATM, but I belive cubans can apply for asylum in US while still in Cuba !" That's a special immigration scheme, not an asylum scheme. It allows a particular nationality to apply for a residence permit, it's not aimed at helping refugees. | |||
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"Seems the UN and the eu didnt see it as a problem a few years ago has the country got worse now? The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees Filippo Grandi has commended Rwanda for its continued efforts to provide a safe condition for refugees evacuated from Libya. He is in Rwanda for a four-day visit (Apr 24 - 27, 2021) to witness ongoing refugee operations and to discuss challenges faced by the government and partners in a bid to find solutions in refugee management affairs. You don't get it do you? Syrians, Afghans and others have travelled on foot across Europe looking for a better life than they had. At this point whether they are "true" asylum seekers or what others refer to as economic migrants, its irrelevant. Conceptually, these are people who have made dangerous border crossings and taken great risks BECAUSE the United Kingdom no longer has a single asylum processing centre anywhere in the world. I think in fact we are leading the world in creating an impossible route for asylum seekers to enter the country - even former friends, associates and colleagues in Afghanistan are facing a stonewall of inaction. Their reward for all of their risk, effort and hope is to be dropped into the middle of Africa as far away from the United Kingdom as possible. Anyone who feels comfortable that this is being done in there name cannot possess one iota of compassion for their fellow human beings. Prince Charles has allegedly called it "appalling," but seemingly it appeals greatly to some people. What is it? Is sticking it to brown people going to make their lives better? Does it give them a kind of warm fuzzy glow thinking the glorious empire is once again taking a stick to the savages and putting them in their place?" These are the type of people who will blame immigrants for their problems People who are angry (all the time ) people who are insecure, people who are stupid, people who have shit lives | |||
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"Why can’t the United Kingdom simply operate safe asylum routes like every other civilised country in the world? Can you give us an example of what sort of asylum routes you're thinking of, and a country that operates that scheme. is not running ATM, but I belive cubans can apply for asylum in US while still in Cuba ! That's a special immigration scheme, not an asylum scheme. It allows a particular nationality to apply for a residence permit, it's not aimed at helping refugees." is the refugee admission program. It is for one country tho. Tbh, I'm more showing what can be done. Im not defending the statement that most other countries do this. I don't have enough knowledge here. | |||
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"Im not defending the statement that most other countries do this. I don't have enough knowledge here. " Me neither. I'm hoping that the OP will be able to tell us something. | |||
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"Whatever the merits of the Rwanda plan as a deterrent, does anyone truly believe that sending people who have travelled on foot across a continent in search of a better life should be dropped into the middle of Africa with no recourse? To me it just seems, cruel to the point of being inhuman, callous and just simply a disgusting way to treat any other human being irrespective of who they are. Why can’t the United Kingdom simply operate safe asylum routes like every other civilised country in the world?" . Most people support the government policy . Those against it are various charities with a vested interest in the topic plus various lawyers out to line their own pocket . Having passed through various safe countries why would anyone choose to risk their life in a dingy ?. That is their choice , not the fault of the government. Why do some throw their documentation in the sea plus their phones. ? Anyone who spends some of their time helping others will recognise that you cannot help everyone. Those who choose to throw their documentation plus phones into the sea in order to hide their identity are hardly going to be too high on a list of priorities. We should recognise that Priti Patel is the daughter of an immigrant and will have more than sufficient knowledge to treat everyone fairly. There was a article in the press yesterday about life in Rwanda . There were not many complaints from those sent there. | |||
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"Whatever the merits of the Rwanda plan as a deterrent, does anyone truly believe that sending people who have travelled on foot across a continent in search of a better life should be dropped into the middle of Africa with no recourse? To me it just seems, cruel to the point of being inhuman, callous and just simply a disgusting way to treat any other human being irrespective of who they are. Why can’t the United Kingdom simply operate safe asylum routes like every other civilised country in the world?. Most people support the government policy . Those against it are various charities with a vested interest in the topic plus various lawyers out to line their own pocket . Having passed through various safe countries why would anyone choose to risk their life in a dingy ?. That is their choice , not the fault of the government. Why do some throw their documentation in the sea plus their phones. ? Anyone who spends some of their time helping others will recognise that you cannot help everyone. Those who choose to throw their documentation plus phones into the sea in order to hide their identity are hardly going to be too high on a list of priorities. We should recognise that Priti Patel is the daughter of an immigrant and will have more than sufficient knowledge to treat everyone fairly. There was a article in the press yesterday about life in Rwanda . There were not many complaints from those sent there. " I'm guessing you didn't read the telegraph article Sounds like Patel's parents were economic migrants. Non sequitur to that meaning she treats everyone fairly. Can Brits not do that? Bit racisty and doing your own country down Hay  | |||
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"Whatever the merits of the Rwanda plan as a deterrent, does anyone truly believe that sending people who have travelled on foot across a continent in search of a better life should be dropped into the middle of Africa with no recourse? To me it just seems, cruel to the point of being inhuman, callous and just simply a disgusting way to treat any other human being irrespective of who they are. Why can’t the United Kingdom simply operate safe asylum routes like every other civilised country in the world?. Most people support the government policy . Those against it are various charities with a vested interest in the topic plus various lawyers out to line their own pocket . Having passed through various safe countries why would anyone choose to risk their life in a dingy ?. That is their choice , not the fault of the government. Why do some throw their documentation in the sea plus their phones. ? Anyone who spends some of their time helping others will recognise that you cannot help everyone. Those who choose to throw their documentation plus phones into the sea in order to hide their identity are hardly going to be too high on a list of priorities. We should recognise that Priti Patel is the daughter of an immigrant and will have more than sufficient knowledge to treat everyone fairly. There was a article in the press yesterday about life in Rwanda . There were not many complaints from those sent there. " I'm not sure most in this country support the present plans but I have heard a few times that a lot destroy any ID they may have. I also saw the news footage of mobiles being thrown into the sea as they approached the UK. I know the government won the first legal challenge but seems there will be an appeal. I suspect lots of individual cases too saying why a particular person cannot be sent for fear of being harmed | |||
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"Seems the UN and the eu didnt see it as a problem a few years ago has the country got worse now? The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees Filippo Grandi has commended Rwanda for its continued efforts to provide a safe condition for refugees evacuated from Libya. He is in Rwanda for a four-day visit (Apr 24 - 27, 2021) to witness ongoing refugee operations and to discuss challenges faced by the government and partners in a bid to find solutions in refugee management affairs. The UN use Rwanda as a transit country not a destination. It aids either the repatriation or a chosen destination of Africans in need. They are not dumped there. " wouldn't you think they would use a safe country for that? oh wait a minute they do consider it a safe country i forgot the UN high commissioner for refugees commended it.  | |||
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"Complicated topic but will just leave this here... The entire leadership of the Church of England has denounced the Rwanda migrant flights as an “immoral policy that shames Britain”" Did their leadership also say Prince Andrew should be forgiven and restored to full royal privileges? | |||
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"Complicated topic but will just leave this here... The entire leadership of the Church of England has denounced the Rwanda migrant flights as an “immoral policy that shames Britain” Did their leadership also say Prince Andrew should be forgiven and restored to full royal privileges? " You should know by now that only the bits they like are allowed the rest dont count. | |||
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"Whatever the merits of the Rwanda plan as a deterrent, does anyone truly believe that sending people who have travelled on foot across a continent in search of a better life should be dropped into the middle of Africa with no recourse? To me it just seems, cruel to the point of being inhuman, callous and just simply a disgusting way to treat any other human being irrespective of who they are. Why can’t the United Kingdom simply operate safe asylum routes like every other civilised country in the world?. Most people support the government policy . Those against it are various charities with a vested interest in the topic plus various lawyers out to line their own pocket . Having passed through various safe countries why would anyone choose to risk their life in a dingy ?. That is their choice , not the fault of the government. Why do some throw their documentation in the sea plus their phones. ? Anyone who spends some of their time helping others will recognise that you cannot help everyone. Those who choose to throw their documentation plus phones into the sea in order to hide their identity are hardly going to be too high on a list of priorities. We should recognise that Priti Patel is the daughter of an immigrant and will have more than sufficient knowledge to treat everyone fairly. There was a article in the press yesterday about life in Rwanda . There were not many complaints from those sent there. " "The majority" do not support this plan. https://inews.co.uk/opinion/polls-support-rwanda-immigration-plans-1683903 The more they hear about it, the less they like it. | |||
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"Seems the UN and the eu didnt see it as a problem a few years ago has the country got worse now? The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees Filippo Grandi has commended Rwanda for its continued efforts to provide a safe condition for refugees evacuated from Libya. He is in Rwanda for a four-day visit (Apr 24 - 27, 2021) to witness ongoing refugee operations and to discuss challenges faced by the government and partners in a bid to find solutions in refugee management affairs. You don't get it do you? Syrians, Afghans and others have travelled on foot across Europe looking for a better life than they had. At this point whether they are "true" asylum seekers or what others refer to as economic migrants, its irrelevant. Conceptually, these are people who have made dangerous border crossings and taken great risks BECAUSE the United Kingdom no longer has a single asylum processing centre anywhere in the world. I think in fact we are leading the world in creating an impossible route for asylum seekers to enter the country - even former friends, associates and colleagues in Afghanistan are facing a stonewall of inaction. Their reward for all of their risk, effort and hope is to be dropped into the middle of Africa as far away from the United Kingdom as possible. Anyone who feels comfortable that this is being done in there name cannot possess one iota of compassion for their fellow human beings. Prince Charles has allegedly called it "appalling," but seemingly it appeals greatly to some people. What is it? Is sticking it to brown people going to make their lives better? Does it give them a kind of warm fuzzy glow thinking the glorious empire is once again taking a stick to the savages and putting them in their place?What a load of boll@x this country does not have enough houses to house the people we have nothing to do with brown people or empires its just reality when people have paid into a system all their lives and their kids cant get an affordable house to live in." The country does have enough housing. Much of it is empty and used as holiday homes, holiday let's or empty as property speculation. There is no incentive for properties to be built for affordable accommodation with such high property values. None of this is caused by immigration or the even tinier proportion of those seeking asylum from war or persecution, many of whom have family to go to. | |||
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"Paragraph 16 of UK / Rwanda plan is worth looking at" Under paragraph 16 of the agreement, the UK has agreed to resettle a portion of Rwanda’s ‘most vulnerable refugees’. What proportion? Will this cost us more than those we deport? Are we deporting "vulnerable" or "less vulnerable" people? Interesting point. | |||
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"Seems the UN and the eu didnt see it as a problem a few years ago has the country got worse now? The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees Filippo Grandi has commended Rwanda for its continued efforts to provide a safe condition for refugees evacuated from Libya. He is in Rwanda for a four-day visit (Apr 24 - 27, 2021) to witness ongoing refugee operations and to discuss challenges faced by the government and partners in a bid to find solutions in refugee management affairs. You don't get it do you? Syrians, Afghans and others have travelled on foot across Europe looking for a better life than they had. At this point whether they are "true" asylum seekers or what others refer to as economic migrants, its irrelevant. Conceptually, these are people who have made dangerous border crossings and taken great risks BECAUSE the United Kingdom no longer has a single asylum processing centre anywhere in the world. I think in fact we are leading the world in creating an impossible route for asylum seekers to enter the country - even former friends, associates and colleagues in Afghanistan are facing a stonewall of inaction. Their reward for all of their risk, effort and hope is to be dropped into the middle of Africa as far away from the United Kingdom as possible. Anyone who feels comfortable that this is being done in there name cannot possess one iota of compassion for their fellow human beings. Prince Charles has allegedly called it "appalling," but seemingly it appeals greatly to some people. What is it? Is sticking it to brown people going to make their lives better? Does it give them a kind of warm fuzzy glow thinking the glorious empire is once again taking a stick to the savages and putting them in their place?What a load of boll@x this country does not have enough houses to house the people we have nothing to do with brown people or empires its just reality when people have paid into a system all their lives and their kids cant get an affordable house to live in. The country does have enough housing. Much of it is empty and used as holiday homes, holiday let's or empty as property speculation. There is no incentive for properties to be built for affordable accommodation with such high property values. None of this is caused by immigration or the even tinier proportion of those seeking asylum from war or persecution, many of whom have family to go to." So what are you saying anyone who has worked hard maybe bought a second home as a pension plan should give it up for illegal immigrants. Its not all rich people who own second homes its everyday people who have invested their hard earned cash wisely.  | |||
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"Here’s a suggestion Tell all asylum seekers if they bring a passport or ID to Calais we will let them in safely and if we want to let them stay they can. Seeing as only a very small percentage of applications are refused then less people will risk their lives and we won’t need to threaten anyone who is entitled to stay. That's an interesting idea. I wonder if we would see a flood of applicants, or whether levels would stay as they are. It won't stop the people crossing in small boats though, as it seems that all of those have no passports or other identifying documents." It will reduce as they will see that France will have to do even though they wanted the U.K. it stoped most taking the risk don’t you agree? They do have passports they are taken by the smugglers as security and if they manage to keep them it’s harder to deport without a country to deport . | |||
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"Legally available housing is certainly in short supply, especially in our area. We still have two hotels full of Afghans awaiting on permanent housing, many months after they arrived. Despite this county being amongst the best for welcoming migrants, they could well still be there for months, if not years. " Any yet there are over 600k empty homes in the U.K. If they were allowed to work they would be out of the hotel and contributing. | |||
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"Seems the UN and the eu didnt see it as a problem a few years ago has the country got worse now? The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees Filippo Grandi has commended Rwanda for its continued efforts to provide a safe condition for refugees evacuated from Libya. He is in Rwanda for a four-day visit (Apr 24 - 27, 2021) to witness ongoing refugee operations and to discuss challenges faced by the government and partners in a bid to find solutions in refugee management affairs. You don't get it do you? Syrians, Afghans and others have travelled on foot across Europe looking for a better life than they had. At this point whether they are "true" asylum seekers or what others refer to as economic migrants, its irrelevant. Conceptually, these are people who have made dangerous border crossings and taken great risks BECAUSE the United Kingdom no longer has a single asylum processing centre anywhere in the world. I think in fact we are leading the world in creating an impossible route for asylum seekers to enter the country - even former friends, associates and colleagues in Afghanistan are facing a stonewall of inaction. Their reward for all of their risk, effort and hope is to be dropped into the middle of Africa as far away from the United Kingdom as possible. Anyone who feels comfortable that this is being done in there name cannot possess one iota of compassion for their fellow human beings. Prince Charles has allegedly called it "appalling," but seemingly it appeals greatly to some people. What is it? Is sticking it to brown people going to make their lives better? Does it give them a kind of warm fuzzy glow thinking the glorious empire is once again taking a stick to the savages and putting them in their place?What a load of boll@x this country does not have enough houses to house the people we have nothing to do with brown people or empires its just reality when people have paid into a system all their lives and their kids cant get an affordable house to live in. The country does have enough housing. Much of it is empty and used as holiday homes, holiday let's or empty as property speculation. There is no incentive for properties to be built for affordable accommodation with such high property values. None of this is caused by immigration or the even tinier proportion of those seeking asylum from war or persecution, many of whom have family to go to.So what are you saying anyone who has worked hard maybe bought a second home as a pension plan should give it up for illegal immigrants. Its not all rich people who own second homes its everyday people who have invested their hard earned cash wisely. "i read it as saying there are enough homes, but we as a country are comfortable with allowing these to be second homes/empty etc. No one is saying ppl have to give them up. Just that the lack of space argument doesn't hold. As noted earlier, this decision also affects Brits. | |||
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"Seems the UN and the eu didnt see it as a problem a few years ago has the country got worse now? The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees Filippo Grandi has commended Rwanda for its continued efforts to provide a safe condition for refugees evacuated from Libya. He is in Rwanda for a four-day visit (Apr 24 - 27, 2021) to witness ongoing refugee operations and to discuss challenges faced by the government and partners in a bid to find solutions in refugee management affairs. You don't get it do you? Syrians, Afghans and others have travelled on foot across Europe looking for a better life than they had. At this point whether they are "true" asylum seekers or what others refer to as economic migrants, its irrelevant. Conceptually, these are people who have made dangerous border crossings and taken great risks BECAUSE the United Kingdom no longer has a single asylum processing centre anywhere in the world. I think in fact we are leading the world in creating an impossible route for asylum seekers to enter the country - even former friends, associates and colleagues in Afghanistan are facing a stonewall of inaction. Their reward for all of their risk, effort and hope is to be dropped into the middle of Africa as far away from the United Kingdom as possible. Anyone who feels comfortable that this is being done in there name cannot possess one iota of compassion for their fellow human beings. Prince Charles has allegedly called it "appalling," but seemingly it appeals greatly to some people. What is it? Is sticking it to brown people going to make their lives better? Does it give them a kind of warm fuzzy glow thinking the glorious empire is once again taking a stick to the savages and putting them in their place?What a load of boll@x this country does not have enough houses to house the people we have nothing to do with brown people or empires its just reality when people have paid into a system all their lives and their kids cant get an affordable house to live in. The country does have enough housing. Much of it is empty and used as holiday homes, holiday let's or empty as property speculation. There is no incentive for properties to be built for affordable accommodation with such high property values. None of this is caused by immigration or the even tinier proportion of those seeking asylum from war or persecution, many of whom have family to go to.So what are you saying anyone who has worked hard maybe bought a second home as a pension plan should give it up for illegal immigrants. Its not all rich people who own second homes its everyday people who have invested their hard earned cash wisely. "No. I'm saying don't blame a tiny number of people for housing shortage that we have failed to address for a generation and for which our own policies exacerbate far more. | |||
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"Legally available housing is certainly in short supply, especially in our area. We still have two hotels full of Afghans awaiting on permanent housing, many months after they arrived. Despite this county being amongst the best for welcoming migrants, they could well still be there for months, if not years. Any yet there are over 600k empty homes in the U.K. If they were allowed to work they would be out of the hotel and contributing. " Then that would require a very strategic law change, one that would be resisted all the way down. | |||
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"Legally available housing is certainly in short supply, especially in our area. We still have two hotels full of Afghans awaiting on permanent housing, many months after they arrived. Despite this county being amongst the best for welcoming migrants, they could well still be there for months, if not years. Any yet there are over 600k empty homes in the U.K. If they were allowed to work they would be out of the hotel and contributing. " And living where? | |||
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"All other routes to applying for asylum have been stopped yet 81% of those seeking asylum are granted it. 25% arrive across the the channel (of 62% total who arrive by irregular means) of those seeking asylum ." We've been through these statistics at length in other threads. You know that they aren't true. Why do you keep repeating them? "All spending on refugees amounts to 0.15% of UK spending which does not account for money paid back into the system once refugees are able to work." Or to put that another way, immigrants, being 0.05% of the population, account for 0.15% of UK spending. That makes them 3 times more expensive than UK citizens. "The new refugees policy is expected to double that spending through prevention and deportation." Tom Pursglove, a minister at the Home Office, says that the plan will save money. Where do you get your "expected to double" from? | |||
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"Legally available housing is certainly in short supply, especially in our area. We still have two hotels full of Afghans awaiting on permanent housing, many months after they arrived. Despite this county being amongst the best for welcoming migrants, they could well still be there for months, if not years. Any yet there are over 600k empty homes in the U.K. If they were allowed to work they would be out of the hotel and contributing. Then that would require a very strategic law change, one that would be resisted all the way down." Yes the protectionism that the right wing fervently oppose being broken down. What a quandary. We need workers and here we are making this the most anti immigration country on the planet outside of North Korea. | |||
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"All other routes to applying for asylum have been stopped yet 81% of those seeking asylum are granted it. 25% arrive across the the channel (of 62% total who arrive by irregular means) of those seeking asylum . We've been through these statistics at length in other threads. You know that they aren't true. Why do you keep repeating them? All spending on refugees amounts to 0.15% of UK spending which does not account for money paid back into the system once refugees are able to work. Or to put that another way, immigrants, being 0.05% of the population, account for 0.15% of UK spending. That makes them 3 times more expensive than UK citizens. The new refugees policy is expected to double that spending through prevention and deportation. Tom Pursglove, a minister at the Home Office, says that the plan will save money. Where do you get your "expected to double" from?" Don’t want to sit in the middle of your argument but not sure I can agree with this point. 70m population 40 m workers 500k immigrants a year Where do we get 0.05 % of the population ? | |||
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"They do have passports they are taken by the smugglers as security and if they manage to keep them it’s harder to deport without a country to deport . " It's often claimed in these forums that they don't have ID, and that they are forced to use small boats for that reason. My post was an attempt at humour, which clearly failed to meet its mark. | |||
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"Legally available housing is certainly in short supply, especially in our area. We still have two hotels full of Afghans awaiting on permanent housing, many months after they arrived. Despite this county being amongst the best for welcoming migrants, they could well still be there for months, if not years. Any yet there are over 600k empty homes in the U.K. If they were allowed to work they would be out of the hotel and contributing. Then that would require a very strategic law change, one that would be resisted all the way down. Yes the protectionism that the right wing fervently oppose being broken down. What a quandary. We need workers and here we are making this the most anti immigration country on the planet outside of North Korea. " Land and property are still a very good investment for many. It would take a huge seachange to change that. I remember the days when Tescos used to buy up land, just to stop other supermarkets getting access to it! | |||
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"All other routes to applying for asylum have been stopped yet 81% of those seeking asylum are granted it. 25% arrive across the the channel (of 62% total who arrive by irregular means) of those seeking asylum . We've been through these statistics at length in other threads. You know that they aren't true. Why do you keep repeating them? All spending on refugees amounts to 0.15% of UK spending which does not account for money paid back into the system once refugees are able to work. Or to put that another way, immigrants, being 0.05% of the population, account for 0.15% of UK spending. That makes them 3 times more expensive than UK citizens. The new refugees policy is expected to double that spending through prevention and deportation. Tom Pursglove, a minister at the Home Office, says that the plan will save money. Where do you get your "expected to double" from?" You can query data all you want, but if you are unable to provide anything to support your position and opinion then you add nothing. The information that I have used is from the University of Oxford Migration Observatory. Take it up with them if you feel that you know better. The increase in cost quoted is for the new asylum policy, not just the Rwanda part: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/asylum-cost-bill-priti-patel-home-office-channel-uk-b2013315.html In fact, according to The Times there will be no financial saving from the Rwanda: 'Tom Pursglove, the minister for tackling illegal immigration, told the home affairs select committee that the cost would be “akin” to the amount of public money it costs the Home Office to process and accommodate each asylum seeker in the UK.' https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sending-migrants-to-rwanda-will-cost-same-as-housing-them-in-uk-v7qpl6bxm Most of the cost is in the long processing delays and Government legal fees in contesting sound decisions. Also the fact that those under review cannot work atlnd pay their own way. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/priti-patel-immigration-legal-costs-b2078689.html However, if you can provide any actual data to actually support any of your opinions, that could be interesting. | |||
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"They do have passports they are taken by the smugglers as security and if they manage to keep them it’s harder to deport without a country to deport . It's often claimed in these forums that they don't have ID, and that they are forced to use small boats for that reason. My post was an attempt at humour, which clearly failed to meet its mark." My apologies if I miss read the insinuation. | |||
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"Don’t want to sit in the middle of your argument but not sure I can agree with this point. 70m population 40 m workers 500k immigrants a year Where do we get 0.05 % of the population ?" The government figure for immigrants includes everyone coming into this country, like students, people joining relatives, people moving here from commonwealth countries, etc. We were talking just about asylum seekers. There were 37,562 asylum applications last year. | |||
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"The new refugees policy is expected to double that spending through prevention and deportation." "Where do you get your "expected to double" from?" "The increase in cost quoted is for the new asylum policy, not just the Rwanda part:" So in a thread about the Rwanda plan, you post "The new refugees policy is expected to double that spending through prevention and deportation", and you fail to mention that the 'new plan' you are talking about is one which hasn't finished being written yet. Don't you think that might be slightly misleading? | |||
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"Don’t want to sit in the middle of your argument but not sure I can agree with this point. 70m population 40 m workers 500k immigrants a year Where do we get 0.05 % of the population ? The government figure for immigrants includes everyone coming into this country, like students, people joining relatives, people moving here from commonwealth countries, etc. We were talking just about asylum seekers. There were 37,562 asylum applications last year." there are c 125k cases ongoing as at June 2021. If suggest that's a better number to use as it atkwa something like 2+ years ATM to review. | |||
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"The new refugees policy is expected to double that spending through prevention and deportation. Where do you get your "expected to double" from? The increase in cost quoted is for the new asylum policy, not just the Rwanda part: So in a thread about the Rwanda plan, you post "The new refugees policy is expected to double that spending through prevention and deportation", and you fail to mention that the 'new plan' you are talking about is one which hasn't finished being written yet. Don't you think that might be slightly misleading?" Not anymore than the Rwanda scheme having no cost associated with it other than an initial upfront payment. Even your chosen Government minister said that it would be akin to current costs, not less. That's true, right? Again, what actual data do you have available to support your position other than opinion? In fact, what is your position on refugees and those seeking asylum in the UK? | |||
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"Not anymore than the Rwanda scheme having no cost associated with it other than an initial upfront payment." I don't believe that I, or anyone else in this thread, has said that there would be no cost to the Rwanda plan. "Even your chosen Government minister said that it would be akin to current costs, not less. That's true, right?" Yes, the person that I randomly picked agrees that your suggestion of 'doubling costs' was incorrect. "Again, what actual data do you have available to support your position other than opinion?" I've supported my posts with numerous facts and links to government websites in past threads. Which position would you like me to support with facts here? | |||
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"there are c 125k cases ongoing as at June 2021. If suggest that's a better number to use as it atkwa something like 2+ years ATM to review. You could use that number, but then you'd have to work out how long each case has been in the system, and figure out the proportion of government spending over all those years. Not an easy task. I believe that the most difficult asylum cases can take over 5 years." why would we need to do that ? We are looking at ratio of tax spend pa on asylum seekers versus asylum seekers as a percentage of population. The spend is on all asylum seekers not just new ones. | |||
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"Not anymore than the Rwanda scheme having no cost associated with it other than an initial upfront payment. I don't believe that I, or anyone else in this thread, has said that there would be no cost to the Rwanda plan. Even your chosen Government minister said that it would be akin to current costs, not less. That's true, right? Yes, the person that I randomly picked agrees that your suggestion of 'doubling costs' was incorrect. Again, what actual data do you have available to support your position other than opinion? I've supported my posts with numerous facts and links to government websites in past threads. Which position would you like me to support with facts here?" You, personally, have been expressing concern at the amount being spent, as have others. There is no financial benefit despite your suggestion that Tom Pulsgrove said as much. He did not. Correct? I did not state that the Rwanda part of the bill doubled costs. I provided the link to the projected costs for the new policy proposal. You are unable or unwilling to assess those. I would not as I would not feel able to until I spent some time understanding them more thoroughly. On a brief overview, I saw no howlers. However, there is also no figure given on the cost of this process other than the upfront payment. That is also correct, isn't it? You have not provided "facts". You have done your own calculations based on information provided to you. What is your position on refugee and asylum claimants and the deportations to Rwanda? | |||
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"We are looking at ratio of tax spend pa on asylum seekers versus asylum seekers as a percentage of population. The spend is on all asylum seekers not just new ones. " I can see your point, that might be a better way to look at things. The majority of asylum cases are granted at first application. It would be interesting to find out how much of the cost is focussed on these long-running cases, and how many of those cases are eventually accepted. | |||
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"We are looking at ratio of tax spend pa on asylum seekers versus asylum seekers as a percentage of population. The spend is on all asylum seekers not just new ones. I can see your point, that might be a better way to look at things. The majority of asylum cases are granted at first application. It would be interesting to find out how much of the cost is focussed on these long-running cases, and how many of those cases are eventually accepted." True. Why not find out, and share? I did provide a link on some of those costs earlier. Could be a useful starting point. | |||
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"I did provide a link on some of those costs earlier. Could be a useful starting point." I don't see that link. Perhaps it was in another thread. | |||
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"I did provide a link on some of those costs earlier. Could be a useful starting point. I don't see that link. Perhaps it was in another thread." Above in response to your calculation on how much the asylum process "cost" compared to a "normal" person in the UK. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/priti-patel-immigration-legal-costs-b2078689.html Also note that this does not account for what successful applicants will pay back into the economy when they start work or what could be saved if they were allowed to work whilst waiting for a decision. | |||
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"Above in response to your calculation on how much the asylum process "cost" compared to a "normal" person in the UK. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/priti-patel-immigration-legal-costs-b2078689.html" Ah. I was thinking it might be something more official. That article just quotes some figures with no clues as to where they came from. It also only quotes figures for lost cases, with no context on figures for won cases, or statistics on how many cases are won/lost. Sadly I suspect that the figures we're looking for just don't exist. The Home Office isn't helping when its factsheet (https://homeofficemedia.blog.gov.uk/2022/04/14/factsheet-cost-of-asylum-system/) states that the asylum system costs £1.5bn a year, but it also says that housing costs for refugees are 4.7mn per day, which adds up to £1.7bn. | |||
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"Above in response to your calculation on how much the asylum process "cost" compared to a "normal" person in the UK. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/priti-patel-immigration-legal-costs-b2078689.html Ah. I was thinking it might be something more official. That article just quotes some figures with no clues as to where they came from. It also only quotes figures for lost cases, with no context on figures for won cases, or statistics on how many cases are won/lost. Sadly I suspect that the figures we're looking for just don't exist. The Home Office isn't helping when its factsheet (https://homeofficemedia.blog.gov.uk/2022/04/14/factsheet-cost-of-asylum-system/) states that the asylum system costs £1.5bn a year, but it also says that housing costs for refugees are 4.7mn per day, which adds up to £1.7bn." So, what is your actual position on the proposed refugee policy, or do you just wish to argue details? Home Office costs on this matter appear to be opaque. Perhaps to avoid scrutiny. The article linked sheds some light on the matter. There was no denial issued, which is interesting. Perhaps you could send in some freedom of information requests if you wish to find out more? | |||
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"Above in response to your calculation on how much the asylum process "cost" compared to a "normal" person in the UK. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/priti-patel-immigration-legal-costs-b2078689.html Ah. I was thinking it might be something more official. That article just quotes some figures with no clues as to where they came from. It also only quotes figures for lost cases, with no context on figures for won cases, or statistics on how many cases are won/lost. Sadly I suspect that the figures we're looking for just don't exist. The Home Office isn't helping when its factsheet (https://homeofficemedia.blog.gov.uk/2022/04/14/factsheet-cost-of-asylum-system/) states that the asylum system costs £1.5bn a year, but it also says that housing costs for refugees are 4.7mn per day, which adds up to £1.7bn." the difference will be (I'd guess) a historic number versus the current run rate. Given the spike in applicants, the run rate will be higher. It's crazy how much we are spending on housing. That's piss poor spending on HMG part. | |||
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"Above in response to your calculation on how much the asylum process "cost" compared to a "normal" person in the UK. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/priti-patel-immigration-legal-costs-b2078689.html Ah. I was thinking it might be something more official. That article just quotes some figures with no clues as to where they came from. It also only quotes figures for lost cases, with no context on figures for won cases, or statistics on how many cases are won/lost. Sadly I suspect that the figures we're looking for just don't exist. The Home Office isn't helping when its factsheet (https://homeofficemedia.blog.gov.uk/2022/04/14/factsheet-cost-of-asylum-system/) states that the asylum system costs £1.5bn a year, but it also says that housing costs for refugees are 4.7mn per day, which adds up to £1.7bn.the difference will be (I'd guess) a historic number versus the current run rate. Given the spike in applicants, the run rate will be higher. It's crazy how much we are spending on housing. That's piss poor spending on HMG part. " so how would you house them and at what cost? | |||
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"Above in response to your calculation on how much the asylum process "cost" compared to a "normal" person in the UK. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/priti-patel-immigration-legal-costs-b2078689.html Ah. I was thinking it might be something more official. That article just quotes some figures with no clues as to where they came from. It also only quotes figures for lost cases, with no context on figures for won cases, or statistics on how many cases are won/lost. Sadly I suspect that the figures we're looking for just don't exist. The Home Office isn't helping when its factsheet (https://homeofficemedia.blog.gov.uk/2022/04/14/factsheet-cost-of-asylum-system/) states that the asylum system costs £1.5bn a year, but it also says that housing costs for refugees are 4.7mn per day, which adds up to £1.7bn.the difference will be (I'd guess) a historic number versus the current run rate. Given the spike in applicants, the run rate will be higher. It's crazy how much we are spending on housing. That's piss poor spending on HMG part. so how would you house them and at what cost?" ah wait, my maths was rubbish. I used the asylum seekers in a year to get a number at 4k pm pp. That's not right is it. We have c 86k in the stysem so it's more like £1.6k pm. I don't know how many rooms and beds I could buy for 120m but I reckon it would go quite far if I build sensibly. And can get reused each year. | |||
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"So, what is your actual position on the proposed refugee policy, or do you just wish to argue details?" Assuming that you mean the new Nationality and Borders bill, it hasn't been published yet, so I have no opinion on it. "The article linked sheds some light on the matter." The article sheds no light on the matter. It states some figures for legal fees on lost cases, but it gives no context, so it's impossible to tell if those numbers are large or insignificant. Originally you said "The increase in cost quoted is for the new asylum policy, not just the Rwanda part" and then gave a link to the Independent article. Since you have now clarified that the 'new asylum policy' that you're talking about is the not yet implemented Nationality and Borders bill, that article sheds no light whatsoever. "There was no denial issued, which is interesting." Do you think that the Home Office issues a denial for every newspaper story with incorrect facts? | |||
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"Above in response to your calculation on how much the asylum process "cost" compared to a "normal" person in the UK. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/priti-patel-immigration-legal-costs-b2078689.html Ah. I was thinking it might be something more official. That article just quotes some figures with no clues as to where they came from. It also only quotes figures for lost cases, with no context on figures for won cases, or statistics on how many cases are won/lost. Sadly I suspect that the figures we're looking for just don't exist. The Home Office isn't helping when its factsheet (https://homeofficemedia.blog.gov.uk/2022/04/14/factsheet-cost-of-asylum-system/) states that the asylum system costs £1.5bn a year, but it also says that housing costs for refugees are 4.7mn per day, which adds up to £1.7bn.the difference will be (I'd guess) a historic number versus the current run rate. Given the spike in applicants, the run rate will be higher. It's crazy how much we are spending on housing. That's piss poor spending on HMG part. " I guess we could find a few fields and fill them with tents like Turkey that would work out cheaper. | |||
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These are the people who actually deal with the situation day to day, so yes, it is interesting to get an idea of where they stand.
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No refugees at all in the UK. Nobody granted asylum?
How is the current system organised with respect to the UK granting asylum?"I would make it a rule anyone paying a smuggler to get them in the country is banned from claiming asylum that would put an end to people trafficking immediately.After all thats what the government is trying to stop. | |||
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"Invariably the migrants first point of contact has been France, which for the most part offers a token patrol to deter migrant crossing the channel, surely France should take the lions share of resposibility for the well being of the people. Incidentally the temporary centre/Hotel looks very comfortable.no hardship there,where they will be assessed.Sound common sense in my opinion" I always wonder why, in mainland Europe, migrants are not offered a safe passage to Ireland and then on to NI where they can legally claim asylum. This makes much more sense that breaking up migrant camps in Calais and transporting them throughout France to have them return to Calais over time and attempt to cross the channel in dinghies. This would help to save lives and respect the UK Goverment position of allowing migrants to claim asylum on British territory so surely a win-win situation. | |||
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"... housing costs for refugees are 4.7mn per day It's crazy how much we are spending on housing. That's piss poor spending on HMG part. That's civil service inertia for you. During the CoViD restrictions there were lots of hotels lying empty, and lots of immigrants needing housing. Someone had the idea of housing the immigrants in the unused hotels. Brilliant. Problem solved. But now that the CoViD crisis has abated, hotels are back to charging full price, and no one in government wants to draw attention to the costs. Maybe if the immigration and border force didn’t have so few staff we wouldn’t have a two year back log. Those hotels are full due to U.K. government delays. The small amount of boat people are not the cause for 120k people waiting are they. The family and dependants immigration service is suspended since mid March due to not enough staff to cope with the Ukraine crisis. Remember there is also a plan to cut 91,000 more jobs. Our Brexit import checks still can’t be done because yet again we still don’t have enough border staff six years later from when Gove said we all needed to be ready and the government was ready, I think we all know where boarder force civil servants stand when their own union tries to overturn the government decision to fly them out.
These are the people who actually deal with the situation day to day, so yes, it is interesting to get an idea of where they stand.
What's your ideal solution?
No refugees at all in the UK. Nobody granted asylum?
How is the current system organised with respect to the UK granting asylum?I would make it a rule anyone paying a smuggler to get them in the country is banned from claiming asylum that would put an end to people trafficking immediately.After all thats what the government is trying to stop. "Is it? So the aim is not to save lives and prosecute people smugglers? It's to punish those clearly desperate to reach the UK? That's being done anyway, except the law, which applies to everyone except our government, is still applied pretty even handedly in this country. Although you seem to take some exception to that with respect to refugees. What route is available for anybody take to obtain asylum in the UK? Immediately? Really? Is it ending as we write? Why wouldn't assessing asylum applications at source end smuggling just as efficiently, with less danger to anyone and similar if not lower cost? | |||
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"... housing costs for refugees are 4.7mn per day It's crazy how much we are spending on housing. That's piss poor spending on HMG part. That's civil service inertia for you. During the CoViD restrictions there were lots of hotels lying empty, and lots of immigrants needing housing. Someone had the idea of housing the immigrants in the unused hotels. Brilliant. Problem solved. But now that the CoViD crisis has abated, hotels are back to charging full price, and no one in government wants to draw attention to the costs. Maybe if the immigration and border force didn’t have so few staff we wouldn’t have a two year back log. Those hotels are full due to U.K. government delays. The small amount of boat people are not the cause for 120k people waiting are they. The family and dependants immigration service is suspended since mid March due to not enough staff to cope with the Ukraine crisis. Remember there is also a plan to cut 91,000 more jobs. Our Brexit import checks still can’t be done because yet again we still don’t have enough border staff six years later from when Gove said we all needed to be ready and the government was ready, I think we all know where boarder force civil servants stand when their own union tries to overturn the government decision to fly them out.
These are the people who actually deal with the situation day to day, so yes, it is interesting to get an idea of where they stand.
What's your ideal solution?
No refugees at all in the UK. Nobody granted asylum?
How is the current system organised with respect to the UK granting asylum?I would make it a rule anyone paying a smuggler to get them in the country is banned from claiming asylum that would put an end to people trafficking immediately.After all thats what the government is trying to stop.
Is it? So the aim is not to save lives and prosecute people smugglers? It's to punish those clearly desperate to reach the UK? That's being done anyway, except the law, which applies to everyone except our government, is still applied pretty even handedly in this country. Although you seem to take some exception to that with respect to refugees.
What route is available for anybody take to obtain asylum in the UK?
Immediately? Really? Is it ending as we write?
Why wouldn't assessing asylum applications at source end smuggling just as efficiently, with less danger to anyone and similar if not lower cost?"if you can afford to pay a smuggler £1000,s I’m sure you can get a plane ticket arrive in the uk and claim asylum the legal way. These people paying to enter illegally are not doing the genuine people any favours | |||
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"the whole thing is a very clever win win for the tories if they successfully deport "asylum seekers " to Rawanda its a feather in thier cap as they can say they are dealing with the refugee crisis if they are prevented from sending anyone to Rawanda due to legal chalenges its those dastardly "lefty lawyers " getting in the way and stoping them either way they win with there core voters and many waiverers " Lefty lawyers They are in it for the money and reputation so they can make even more money nothing more its what they do. Lawyers and barristers will work for anyone who pays them its their job.These are the same rich people that some seem to despise on here. | |||
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"... housing costs for refugees are 4.7mn per day It's crazy how much we are spending on housing. That's piss poor spending on HMG part. That's civil service inertia for you. During the CoViD restrictions there were lots of hotels lying empty, and lots of immigrants needing housing. Someone had the idea of housing the immigrants in the unused hotels. Brilliant. Problem solved. But now that the CoViD crisis has abated, hotels are back to charging full price, and no one in government wants to draw attention to the costs. Maybe if the immigration and border force didn’t have so few staff we wouldn’t have a two year back log. Those hotels are full due to U.K. government delays. The small amount of boat people are not the cause for 120k people waiting are they. The family and dependants immigration service is suspended since mid March due to not enough staff to cope with the Ukraine crisis. Remember there is also a plan to cut 91,000 more jobs. Our Brexit import checks still can’t be done because yet again we still don’t have enough border staff six years later from when Gove said we all needed to be ready and the government was ready, I think we all know where boarder force civil servants stand when their own union tries to overturn the government decision to fly them out. "Possibly the border force civil servants are not murderous racist bastards and do not want anything to do with enforcing illegal orders that will very likely result in the deaths of people, many of whom are just fleeing the results of England carrying out wars in their countries. At the Nurenburg trials the phrase "I was just following orders" was heard a lot. It is not legal to follow an order that you know is illegal. It is not moral to follow an order that you know is immoral. It is not Christian to follow an order that you know is unchristian. I love my country. I have nothing but hatred and contempt for the vile and evil minority that have over the last twenty years corrupted everything that is good in this country, with each government sinking lower than the previous, until we are now all drowning in the seemingly unstoppable torrent of pure wickedness that originates in 10 Downing Street and eats at all aspects of society like a cancer. I only hope that all those who originate or support this thoroughly iniquitous policy will one day find themselves on the receiving end of a similar level of mercy. Oh, and can I please ask that all those who are inhuman enough to support Johnson, Patel, Truss and their like, block my profile. it will save me the bother of blocking your profiles myself. | |||
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"... housing costs for refugees are 4.7mn per day It's crazy how much we are spending on housing. That's piss poor spending on HMG part. That's civil service inertia for you. During the CoViD restrictions there were lots of hotels lying empty, and lots of immigrants needing housing. Someone had the idea of housing the immigrants in the unused hotels. Brilliant. Problem solved. But now that the CoViD crisis has abated, hotels are back to charging full price, and no one in government wants to draw attention to the costs. Maybe if the immigration and border force didn’t have so few staff we wouldn’t have a two year back log. Those hotels are full due to U.K. government delays. The small amount of boat people are not the cause for 120k people waiting are they. The family and dependants immigration service is suspended since mid March due to not enough staff to cope with the Ukraine crisis. Remember there is also a plan to cut 91,000 more jobs. Our Brexit import checks still can’t be done because yet again we still don’t have enough border staff six years later from when Gove said we all needed to be ready and the government was ready, I think we all know where boarder force civil servants stand when their own union tries to overturn the government decision to fly them out.
Possibly the border force civil servants are not murderous racist bastards and do not want anything to do with enforcing illegal orders that will very likely result in the deaths of people, many of whom are just fleeing the results of England carrying out wars in their countries. At the Nurenburg trials the phrase "I was just following orders" was heard a lot. It is not legal to follow an order that you know is illegal. It is not moral to follow an order that you know is immoral. It is not Christian to follow an order that you know is unchristian.
I love my country. I have nothing but hatred and contempt for the vile and evil minority that have over the last twenty years corrupted everything that is good in this country, with each government sinking lower than the previous, until we are now all drowning in the seemingly unstoppable torrent of pure wickedness that originates in 10 Downing Street and eats at all aspects of society like a cancer.
I only hope that all those who originate or support this thoroughly iniquitous policy will one day find themselves on the receiving end of a similar level of mercy.
Oh, and can I please ask that all those who are inhuman enough to support Johnson, Patel, Truss and their like, block my profile. it will save me the bother of blocking your profiles myself.
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I bet they think the ECHR and the EU are the same "You are a disgrace. You know nothing about law, only about circumnavigation to appease. | |||
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"the whole thing is a very clever win win for the tories if they successfully deport "asylum seekers " to Rawanda its a feather in thier cap as they can say they are dealing with the refugee crisis if they are prevented from sending anyone to Rawanda due to legal chalenges its those dastardly "lefty lawyers " getting in the way and stoping them either way they win with there core voters and many waiverers Lefty lawyers They are in it for the money and reputation so they can make even more money nothing more its what they do. Lawyers and barristers will work for anyone who pays them its their job.These are the same rich people that some seem to despise on here. "Hmm have you read about proposals to remove the U.K. from the European court of human rights? When that leads to something affecting you personally will you be looking for a “leftie” lawyer or just a lawyer who wants to protect your rights? Those lawyers are right now fighting to stop the trend of this government to break the laws of this country and dismantle centuries of struggle to protect us all. Boris has made it clear he wants the government to have the last say over the courts in certain legal rulings. Be careful what you wish for. Don’t forget the right from wrong in this legal fight. | |||
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"The cynic in me says that the government will use this as a reason to leave the ECHR if thats possible. The ECHR which was created by Churchill "Does that stop the UK leaving? I would not be surprised if there was international or law reasons that the UK can't leave but did not expect it was due to who created it | |||
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"The cynic in me says that the government will use this as a reason to leave the ECHR if thats possible. The ECHR which was created by Churchill
Does that stop the UK leaving? I would not be surprised if there was international or law reasons that the UK can't leave but did not expect it was due to who created it"No, but Spaffers hero is Churchill, I doubt he would be stupid enough to leave the ECHR | |||
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Does that stop the UK leaving? I would not be surprised if there was international or law reasons that the UK can't leave but did not expect it was due to who created it
No, but Spaffers hero is Churchill, I doubt he would be stupid enough to leave the ECHR"You have more faith than me then | |||
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Is it possible for the UK to leave it then? That's what I wish to know as I mentioned I think the government may use this as a reason. Might be totally wrong but just my suspicion"they can. But echr is part of good Friday agreement so I think that would be a reason for pausing .... Especially after the sing and dance with the NI protocol. | |||
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Does that stop the UK leaving? I would not be surprised if there was international or law reasons that the UK can't leave but did not expect it was due to who created it
No, but Spaffers hero is Churchill, I doubt he would be stupid enough to leave the ECHR
You have more faith than me then"Ha, tbh I am probably being naive, it would have to get voted through parliament , I think enough of the Boris ‘rebels ‘ would vote against it | |||
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Is it possible for the UK to leave it then? That's what I wish to know as I mentioned I think the government may use this as a reason. Might be totally wrong but just my suspicionthey can. But echr is part of good Friday agreement so I think that would be a reason for pausing .... Especially after the sing and dance with the NI protocol. "So possible but perhaps unlikely. BBC news said Boris has mentioned a law change maybe required for this. I assumed it was in relation to the echr but from what you say it is maybe something else | |||
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Is it possible for the UK to leave it then? That's what I wish to know as I mentioned I think the government may use this as a reason. Might be totally wrong but just my suspicionthey can. But echr is part of good Friday agreement so I think that would be a reason for pausing .... Especially after the sing and dance with the NI protocol.
So possible but perhaps unlikely. BBC news said Boris has mentioned a law change maybe required for this. I assumed it was in relation to the echr but from what you say it is maybe something else"He will try anything to get this through, I am sure they will end up taking a few to Rwanda but it won’t be many, another government fuck up | |||
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"... housing costs for refugees are 4.7mn per day It's crazy how much we are spending on housing. That's piss poor spending on HMG part. That's civil service inertia for you. During the CoViD restrictions there were lots of hotels lying empty, and lots of immigrants needing housing. Someone had the idea of housing the immigrants in the unused hotels. Brilliant. Problem solved. But now that the CoViD crisis has abated, hotels are back to charging full price, and no one in government wants to draw attention to the costs. Maybe if the immigration and border force didn’t have so few staff we wouldn’t have a two year back log. Those hotels are full due to U.K. government delays. The small amount of boat people are not the cause for 120k people waiting are they. The family and dependants immigration service is suspended since mid March due to not enough staff to cope with the Ukraine crisis. Remember there is also a plan to cut 91,000 more jobs. Our Brexit import checks still can’t be done because yet again we still don’t have enough border staff six years later from when Gove said we all needed to be ready and the government was ready, I think we all know where boarder force civil servants stand when their own union tries to overturn the government decision to fly them out.
These are the people who actually deal with the situation day to day, so yes, it is interesting to get an idea of where they stand.
What's your ideal solution?
No refugees at all in the UK. Nobody granted asylum?
How is the current system organised with respect to the UK granting asylum?I would make it a rule anyone paying a smuggler to get them in the country is banned from claiming asylum that would put an end to people trafficking immediately.After all thats what the government is trying to stop.
Is it? So the aim is not to save lives and prosecute people smugglers? It's to punish those clearly desperate to reach the UK? That's being done anyway, except the law, which applies to everyone except our government, is still applied pretty even handedly in this country. Although you seem to take some exception to that with respect to refugees.
What route is available for anybody take to obtain asylum in the UK?
Immediately? Really? Is it ending as we write?
Why wouldn't assessing asylum applications at source end smuggling just as efficiently, with less danger to anyone and similar if not lower cost?if you can afford to pay a smuggler £1000,s I’m sure you can get a plane ticket arrive in the uk and claim asylum the legal way. These people paying to enter illegally are not doing the genuine people any favours "Really? What makes you so "sure"? How do you get a visa or a passport in a conflict zone? What are the visa requirements? Why do the majority arriving by irregular means get granted asylum after assessment? Why wouldn't assessing asylum applications at source end smuggling just as efficiently, with less danger to anyone and similar if not lower cost? | |||
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"the whole thing is a very clever win win for the tories if they successfully deport "asylum seekers " to Rawanda its a feather in thier cap as they can say they are dealing with the refugee crisis if they are prevented from sending anyone to Rawanda due to legal chalenges its those dastardly "lefty lawyers " getting in the way and stoping them either way they win with there core voters and many waiverers Lefty lawyers They are in it for the money and reputation so they can make even more money nothing more its what they do. Lawyers and barristers will work for anyone who pays them its their job.These are the same rich people that some seem to despise on here. "How much money are they "in it" for? How much do they earn from legal aid? Who spends more? The Government or asylum lawyers? Are you saying that the law is not being applied correctly or it is just "wrong" in your opinion? What case law and or legal logic is your opinion based on? | |||
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"the whole thing is a very clever win win for the tories if they successfully deport "asylum seekers " to Rawanda its a feather in thier cap as they can say they are dealing with the refugee crisis if they are prevented from sending anyone to Rawanda due to legal chalenges its those dastardly "lefty lawyers " getting in the way and stoping them either way they win with there core voters and many waiverers These people have lost cases and appeals with no further right if appeal. The judges aren't Tories. How much more definitive do you need" Have they lost cases and appeals? What information do you have to back that assertion? | |||
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That's not what I asked yes should do but it's not,it fiction,that's why I also chucked in the dingy, so what would you do if you found them In your place ?"It fiction ? | |||
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"Except that much of what you have added has been actually misleading, hasn't it, or is that not possible? Fell free to point out anything I have said that has been misleading or factually inaccurate. I'm happy to apologise when I make a mistake." One example? You: "Tom Pursglove, a minister at the Home Office, says that the plan will save money." In fact, according to The Times he said that there will be no financial saving from the Rwanda: 'Tom Pursglove, the minister for tackling illegal immigration, told the home affairs select committee that the cost would be “akin” to the amount of public money it costs the Home Office to process and accommodate each asylum seeker in the UK.' | |||
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"... housing costs for refugees are 4.7mn per day It's crazy how much we are spending on housing. That's piss poor spending on HMG part. That's civil service inertia for you. During the CoViD restrictions there were lots of hotels lying empty, and lots of immigrants needing housing. Someone had the idea of housing the immigrants in the unused hotels. Brilliant. Problem solved. But now that the CoViD crisis has abated, hotels are back to charging full price, and no one in government wants to draw attention to the costs. Maybe if the immigration and border force didn’t have so few staff we wouldn’t have a two year back log. Those hotels are full due to U.K. government delays. The small amount of boat people are not the cause for 120k people waiting are they. The family and dependants immigration service is suspended since mid March due to not enough staff to cope with the Ukraine crisis. Remember there is also a plan to cut 91,000 more jobs. Our Brexit import checks still can’t be done because yet again we still don’t have enough border staff six years later from when Gove said we all needed to be ready and the government was ready, I think we all know where boarder force civil servants stand when their own union tries to overturn the government decision to fly them out.
Possibly the border force civil servants are not murderous racist bastards and do not want anything to do with enforcing illegal orders that will very likely result in the deaths of people, many of whom are just fleeing the results of England carrying out wars in their countries. At the Nurenburg trials the phrase "I was just following orders" was heard a lot. It is not legal to follow an order that you know is illegal. It is not moral to follow an order that you know is immoral. It is not Christian to follow an order that you know is unchristian.
I love my country. I have nothing but hatred and contempt for the vile and evil minority that have over the last twenty years corrupted everything that is good in this country, with each government sinking lower than the previous, until we are now all drowning in the seemingly unstoppable torrent of pure wickedness that originates in 10 Downing Street and eats at all aspects of society like a cancer.
I only hope that all those who originate or support this thoroughly iniquitous policy will one day find themselves on the receiving end of a similar level of mercy.
Oh, and can I please ask that all those who are inhuman enough to support Johnson, Patel, Truss and their like, block my profile. it will save me the bother of blocking your profiles myself.
maybe if they cannot do the job they are employed by the british public to do they should just quit. "They have proven that they can't, bit Johnson will not quit ever, will he? They're your team, not mine. | |||
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That's not what I asked yes should do but it's not,it fiction,that's why I also chucked in the dingy, so what would you do if you found them In your place ?
It fiction ? "Don't mean you can't answer unless you are scared to and show your true colours,a none answer ill take it you would rightly phone the police to get then removed. | |||
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That's not what I asked yes should do but it's not,it fiction,that's why I also chucked in the dingy, so what would you do if you found them In your place ?
It fiction ?
Don't mean you can't answer unless you are scared to and show your true colours,a none answer ill take it you would rightly phone the police to get then removed. "Hahaha, what sort of house do I live in? And where are these people from ? Btw, what is in my fridge? | |||
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That's not what I asked yes should do but it's not,it fiction,that's why I also chucked in the dingy, so what would you do if you found them In your place ?
It fiction ?
Don't mean you can't answer unless you are scared to and show your true colours,a none answer ill take it you would rightly phone the police to get then removed.
Hahaha, what sort of house do I live in? And where are these people from ? Btw, what is in my fridge? "You live in one that's been entered,no idea where they come from and no idea what's in your fridge. | |||
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That's not what I asked yes should do but it's not,it fiction,that's why I also chucked in the dingy, so what would you do if you found them In your place ?
It fiction ?
Don't mean you can't answer unless you are scared to and show your true colours,a none answer ill take it you would rightly phone the police to get then removed.
Hahaha, what sort of house do I live in? And where are these people from ? Btw, what is in my fridge?
You live in one that's been entered,no idea where they come from and no idea what's in your fridge. "Ah, a bit vague, my house is 50 miles from the coast, why have they come in a dinghy? | |||
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Is it possible for the UK to leave it then? That's what I wish to know as I mentioned I think the government may use this as a reason. Might be totally wrong but just my suspicion"It would further complicate the Brexit agreements with the EU as the ECHR is in both the trade and law enforcement agreements. You are correct that leaving the ECHR and any Human Rights legislation is something some parts of the Conservative party are very keen on for some reason. More to shore up BoJos position for a few years rather than something that will actually be acted on. He is picking fights to do just this. | |||
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That's not what I asked yes should do but it's not,it fiction,that's why I also chucked in the dingy, so what would you do if you found them In your place ?
It fiction ?
Don't mean you can't answer unless you are scared to and show your true colours,a none answer ill take it you would rightly phone the police to get then removed.
Hahaha, what sort of house do I live in? And where are these people from ? Btw, what is in my fridge?
You live in one that's been entered,no idea where they come from and no idea what's in your fridge.
Ah, a bit vague, my house is 50 miles from the coast, why have they come in a dinghy? "Ship canal..? | |||
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That's not what I asked yes should do but it's not,it fiction,that's why I also chucked in the dingy, so what would you do if you found them In your place ?
It fiction ?
Don't mean you can't answer unless you are scared to and show your true colours,a none answer ill take it you would rightly phone the police to get then removed.
Hahaha, what sort of house do I live in? And where are these people from ? Btw, what is in my fridge?
You live in one that's been entered,no idea where they come from and no idea what's in your fridge.
Ah, a bit vague, my house is 50 miles from the coast, why have they come in a dinghy? "It's OK you have answered my question by not answering and not seeing why I mentioned the dinghy,case now closed. | |||
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That's not what I asked yes should do but it's not,it fiction,that's why I also chucked in the dingy, so what would you do if you found them In your place ?
It fiction ?
Don't mean you can't answer unless you are scared to and show your true colours,a none answer ill take it you would rightly phone the police to get then removed.
Hahaha, what sort of house do I live in? And where are these people from ? Btw, what is in my fridge?
You live in one that's been entered,no idea where they come from and no idea what's in your fridge.
Ah, a bit vague, my house is 50 miles from the coast, why have they come in a dinghy?
Ship canal..? "Possibly, although I am a good 3 miles from any accessible water way, seems odd they travelled on the roads using a dinghy | |||
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That's not what I asked yes should do but it's not,it fiction,that's why I also chucked in the dingy, so what would you do if you found them In your place ?
It fiction ?
Don't mean you can't answer unless you are scared to and show your true colours,a none answer ill take it you would rightly phone the police to get then removed.
Hahaha, what sort of house do I live in? And where are these people from ? Btw, what is in my fridge?
You live in one that's been entered,no idea where they come from and no idea what's in your fridge.
Ah, a bit vague, my house is 50 miles from the coast, why have they come in a dinghy?
It's OK you have answered my question by not answering and not seeing why I mentioned the dinghy,case now closed. "The dinghy is confusing, does it have wheels and can it be driven on a road | |||
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That's not what I asked yes should do but it's not,it fiction,that's why I also chucked in the dingy, so what would you do if you found them In your place ?
It fiction ?
Don't mean you can't answer unless you are scared to and show your true colours,a none answer ill take it you would rightly phone the police to get then removed.
Hahaha, what sort of house do I live in? And where are these people from ? Btw, what is in my fridge?
You live in one that's been entered,no idea where they come from and no idea what's in your fridge.
Ah, a bit vague, my house is 50 miles from the coast, why have they come in a dinghy?
Ship canal..?
Possibly, although I am a good 3 miles from any accessible water way, seems odd they travelled on the roads using a dinghy "I'm staggered that Mrs Patel's police forces didn't get suspicious of 2 or is it 3 people carrying a dingy.. All very bizarre.. | |||
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That's not what I asked yes should do but it's not,it fiction,that's why I also chucked in the dingy, so what would you do if you found them In your place ?
It fiction ?
Don't mean you can't answer unless you are scared to and show your true colours,a none answer ill take it you would rightly phone the police to get then removed.
Hahaha, what sort of house do I live in? And where are these people from ? Btw, what is in my fridge?
You live in one that's been entered,no idea where they come from and no idea what's in your fridge.
Ah, a bit vague, my house is 50 miles from the coast, why have they come in a dinghy?
Ship canal..?
Possibly, although I am a good 3 miles from any accessible water way, seems odd they travelled on the roads using a dinghy
I'm staggered that Mrs Patel's police forces didn't get suspicious of 2 or is it 3 people carrying a dingy..
All very bizarre.. "Yep, but it is fiction, maybe it was a special dinghy and the people in my home were actually friends and family arranging a surprise party , | |||
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That's not what I asked yes should do but it's not,it fiction,that's why I also chucked in the dingy, so what would you do if you found them In your place ?
It fiction ?
Don't mean you can't answer unless you are scared to and show your true colours,a none answer ill take it you would rightly phone the police to get then removed.
Hahaha, what sort of house do I live in? And where are these people from ? Btw, what is in my fridge?
You live in one that's been entered,no idea where they come from and no idea what's in your fridge.
Ah, a bit vague, my house is 50 miles from the coast, why have they come in a dinghy?
Ship canal..?
Possibly, although I am a good 3 miles from any accessible water way, seems odd they travelled on the roads using a dinghy
I'm staggered that Mrs Patel's police forces didn't get suspicious of 2 or is it 3 people carrying a dingy..
All very bizarre..
Yep, but it is fiction, maybe it was a special dinghy and the people in my home were actually friends and family arranging a surprise party , "That sounds more realistic, wonder why they closed the case..? A surprise perhaps.. | |||
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That's not what I asked yes should do but it's not,it fiction,that's why I also chucked in the dingy, so what would you do if you found them In your place ?
It fiction ?
Don't mean you can't answer unless you are scared to and show your true colours,a none answer ill take it you would rightly phone the police to get then removed.
Hahaha, what sort of house do I live in? And where are these people from ? Btw, what is in my fridge?
You live in one that's been entered,no idea where they come from and no idea what's in your fridge.
Ah, a bit vague, my house is 50 miles from the coast, why have they come in a dinghy?
Ship canal..?
Possibly, although I am a good 3 miles from any accessible water way, seems odd they travelled on the roads using a dinghy
I'm staggered that Mrs Patel's police forces didn't get suspicious of 2 or is it 3 people carrying a dingy..
All very bizarre..
Yep, but it is fiction, maybe it was a special dinghy and the people in my home were actually friends and family arranging a surprise party ,
That sounds more realistic, wonder why they closed the case..?
A surprise perhaps.."Yeah, it is a very confusing story though, I think Dula is obviously very upset and confused about tonight’s flight being cancelled, I know how much he was looking forward to it | |||
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"So you go to work and forget to shut the front door in your rush, (most of us have done it)you come home in the evening and find a dingy on your front lawn, 2 or 3 people in side enjoying you booze and what's in the fridge,what you going to do ? Hahahaha, Not going to answer then ? Easy answer, don’t be thick and lock your door
That's not what I asked yes should do but it's not,it fiction,that's why I also chucked in the dingy, so what would you do if you found them In your place ?
It fiction ?
Don't mean you can't answer unless you are scared to and show your true colours,a none answer ill take it you would rightly phone the police to get then removed.
Hahaha, what sort of house do I live in? And where are these people from ? Btw, what is in my fridge?
You live in one that's been entered,no idea where they come from and no idea what's in your fridge.
Ah, a bit vague, my house is 50 miles from the coast, why have they come in a dinghy?
Ship canal..?
Possibly, although I am a good 3 miles from any accessible water way, seems odd they travelled on the roads using a dinghy
I'm staggered that Mrs Patel's police forces didn't get suspicious of 2 or is it 3 people carrying a dingy..
All very bizarre..
Yep, but it is fiction, maybe it was a special dinghy and the people in my home were actually friends and family arranging a surprise party ,
That sounds more realistic, wonder why they closed the case..?
A surprise perhaps..
Yeah, it is a very confusing story though, I think Dula is obviously very upset and confused about tonight’s flight being cancelled, I know how much he was looking forward to it "I think there will be in certain quarters the sigh of deflation as the climactic take off was delayed.. Some sort of plane fetish.. | |||
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"So you go to work and forget to shut the front door in your rush, (most of us have done it)you come home in the evening and find a dingy on your front lawn, 2 or 3 people in side enjoying you booze and what's in the fridge,what you going to do ? Hahahaha, Not going to answer then ? Easy answer, don’t be thick and lock your door
That's not what I asked yes should do but it's not,it fiction,that's why I also chucked in the dingy, so what would you do if you found them In your place ?
It fiction ?
Don't mean you can't answer unless you are scared to and show your true colours,a none answer ill take it you would rightly phone the police to get then removed.
Hahaha, what sort of house do I live in? And where are these people from ? Btw, what is in my fridge?
You live in one that's been entered,no idea where they come from and no idea what's in your fridge.
Ah, a bit vague, my house is 50 miles from the coast, why have they come in a dinghy?
Ship canal..?
Possibly, although I am a good 3 miles from any accessible water way, seems odd they travelled on the roads using a dinghy
I'm staggered that Mrs Patel's police forces didn't get suspicious of 2 or is it 3 people carrying a dingy..
All very bizarre..
Yep, but it is fiction, maybe it was a special dinghy and the people in my home were actually friends and family arranging a surprise party ,
That sounds more realistic, wonder why they closed the case..?
A surprise perhaps..
Yeah, it is a very confusing story though, I think Dula is obviously very upset and confused about tonight’s flight being cancelled, I know how much he was looking forward to it
I think there will be in certain quarters the sigh of deflation as the climactic take off was delayed..
Some sort of plane fetish.."True, I am sure there will be other planes with migrants on them soon to get excited over, | |||
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"To be or not to be, 3 men in my garden in a dinghy. "One has to be called Bob.. | |||
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"To be or not to be, 3 men in my garden in a dinghy. "Ha, raiding the fridge and drinking booze in my kitchen , | |||
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"So you go to work and forget to shut the front door in your rush, (most of us have done it)you come home in the evening and find a dingy on your front lawn, 2 or 3 people in side enjoying you booze and what's in the fridge,what you going to do ? Hahahaha, Not going to answer then ? Easy answer, don’t be thick and lock your door
That's not what I asked yes should do but it's not,it fiction,that's why I also chucked in the dingy, so what would you do if you found them In your place ?
It fiction ?
Don't mean you can't answer unless you are scared to and show your true colours,a none answer ill take it you would rightly phone the police to get then removed.
Hahaha, what sort of house do I live in? And where are these people from ? Btw, what is in my fridge?
You live in one that's been entered,no idea where they come from and no idea what's in your fridge.
Ah, a bit vague, my house is 50 miles from the coast, why have they come in a dinghy?
Ship canal..?
Possibly, although I am a good 3 miles from any accessible water way, seems odd they travelled on the roads using a dinghy
I'm staggered that Mrs Patel's police forces didn't get suspicious of 2 or is it 3 people carrying a dingy..
All very bizarre..
Yep, but it is fiction, maybe it was a special dinghy and the people in my home were actually friends and family arranging a surprise party ,
That sounds more realistic, wonder why they closed the case..?
A surprise perhaps..
Yeah, it is a very confusing story though, I think Dula is obviously very upset and confused about tonight’s flight being cancelled, I know how much he was looking forward to it
I think there will be in certain quarters the sigh of deflation as the climactic take off was delayed..
Some sort of plane fetish..
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"OK it's to complicated for you all,I'll make it simple as I can. You come home from work 4 people outside your door,you walk up to go in,one says can we come in we have nowhere to stay?" Do I know these people? | |||
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"Bottom line is if anyone entered your property illegally you would phone the police,be scared as you don't them or where they come from but the do gooders want the boat people to stay,its full on hypocrisy. Are you afraid of refugees? Are they trying to avoid the authorities on arrival in the UK or finding them in order to apply for asylum? Should any refugees be able to apply for asylum in the UK? How do they get here to apply for it? Yes iam scared of them " All of them ? Even the white ones? | |||
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"Bottom line is if anyone entered your property illegally you would phone the police,be scared as you don't them or where they come from but the do gooders want the boat people to stay,its full on hypocrisy. Are you afraid of refugees? Are they trying to avoid the authorities on arrival in the UK or finding them in order to apply for asylum? Should any refugees be able to apply for asylum in the UK? How do they get here to apply for it? Yes iam scared of them " Why are you afraid of refugees? | |||
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"Bottom line is if anyone entered your property illegally you would phone the police,be scared as you don't them or where they come from but the do gooders want the boat people to stay,its full on hypocrisy. Are you afraid of refugees? Are they trying to avoid the authorities on arrival in the UK or finding them in order to apply for asylum? Should any refugees be able to apply for asylum in the UK? How do they get here to apply for it? Yes iam scared of them All of them ? Even the white ones? " You just can't answer the question can you I never mentioned colour or race,as I said case closed as far as I'm concerned.. | |||
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"OK it's to complicated for you all,I'll make it simple as I can. You come home from work 4 people outside your door,you walk up to go in,one says can we come in we have nowhere to stay?" I would help them find the homeless shelter or Council offices responsible. Government has put a process in place to help people in difficult circumstances. I wouldn't expect to put up individual homeless people or unemployed or seriously ill people in my home either. It's a bad simile that you are using. | |||
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