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"Like the two polarised ends are the only places to stand
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"I Stand in the place where I live. And then think about direction and wonder why I haven't before. " Nicely done | |||
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"Eat the rich! "I could imagine you having a good munch on Boris | |||
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"Eat the rich!
I could imagine you having a good munch on Boris "I would rather starve tbh lol  | |||
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"Make Harry king!! Or if not at least William. Also, we should all get naked and drape ourselves in some union jack bunting. For the queen and all. " Make Meghan Queen too. Imagine the kick offs. | |||
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"Make Harry king!! Or if not at least William. Also, we should all get naked and drape ourselves in some union jack bunting. For the queen and all. Make Meghan Queen too. Imagine the kick offs. " I'm down for this | |||
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"Make Harry king!! Or if not at least William. Also, we should all get naked and drape ourselves in some union jack bunting. For the queen and all. Make Meghan Queen too. Imagine the kick offs. I'm down for this " Stick Pippa’s arse an the back of the £20 note. I might actually care about the royals them. | |||
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"Make Harry king!! Or if not at least William. Also, we should all get naked and drape ourselves in some union jack bunting. For the queen and all. Make Meghan Queen too. Imagine the kick offs. I'm down for this Stick Pippa’s arse an the back of the £20 note. I might actually care about the royals them." Good call. Faces are so last century, let's have various royal body parts instead. | |||
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"Make Harry king!! Or if not at least William. Also, we should all get naked and drape ourselves in some union jack bunting. For the queen and all. Make Meghan Queen too. Imagine the kick offs. I'm down for this Stick Pippa’s arse an the back of the £20 note. I might actually care about the royals them. Good call. Faces are so last century, let's have various royal body parts instead. " Charles’ ears, Harry’s hair, Andrew’s sweat glands. | |||
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"Make Harry king!! Or if not at least William. Also, we should all get naked and drape ourselves in some union jack bunting. For the queen and all. Make Meghan Queen too. Imagine the kick offs. I'm down for this Stick Pippa’s arse an the back of the £20 note. I might actually care about the royals them. Good call. Faces are so last century, let's have various royal body parts instead. Charles’ ears, Harry’s hair, Andrew’s sweat glands." And Pippa's arse? This seems a little unfair. | |||
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"Make Harry king!! Or if not at least William. Also, we should all get naked and drape ourselves in some union jack bunting. For the queen and all. Make Meghan Queen too. Imagine the kick offs. I'm down for this Stick Pippa’s arse an the back of the £20 note. I might actually care about the royals them. Good call. Faces are so last century, let's have various royal body parts instead. Charles’ ears, Harry’s hair, Andrew’s sweat glands. And Pippa's arse? This seems a little unfair. " It’s all their most recognisable features. | |||
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"Make Harry king!! Or if not at least William. Also, we should all get naked and drape ourselves in some union jack bunting. For the queen and all. " It’s what she’d want. There’s probably a royal decree somewhere | |||
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"Make Harry king!! Or if not at least William. Also, we should all get naked and drape ourselves in some union jack bunting. For the queen and all. It’s what she’d want. There’s probably a royal decree somewhere " I'm on it. | |||
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"Make Harry king!! Or if not at least William. Also, we should all get naked and drape ourselves in some union jack bunting. For the queen and all. Make Meghan Queen too. Imagine the kick offs. I'm down for this Stick Pippa’s arse an the back of the £20 note. I might actually care about the royals them." She's as royal as Mike Tindall's brother | |||
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"Make Harry king!! Or if not at least William. Also, we should all get naked and drape ourselves in some union jack bunting. For the queen and all. " Why Harry?? Even if he was legit he is about 6th in line.... and a narcissistic nob! | |||
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"Make Harry king!! Or if not at least William. Also, we should all get naked and drape ourselves in some union jack bunting. For the queen and all. Why Harry?? Even if he was legit he is about 6th in line.... and a narcissistic nob!" Harry is the best royal. | |||
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"Make Harry king!! Or if not at least William. Also, we should all get naked and drape ourselves in some union jack bunting. For the queen and all. Why Harry?? Even if he was legit he is about 6th in line.... and a narcissistic nob!" Quite simply because is fit!!! I think it was a tongue in cheek comment | |||
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"Make Harry king!! Or if not at least William. Also, we should all get naked and drape ourselves in some union jack bunting. For the queen and all. Why Harry?? Even if he was legit he is about 6th in line.... and a narcissistic nob! Quite simply because is fit!!! I think it was a tongue in cheek comment" I was being deadly serious. But yes, I'd do him. | |||
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"Make Harry king!! Or if not at least William. Also, we should all get naked and drape ourselves in some union jack bunting. For the queen and all. Why Harry?? Even if he was legit he is about 6th in line.... and a narcissistic nob! Quite simply because is fit!!! I think it was a tongue in cheek comment I was being deadly serious. But yes, I'd do him. " Had him!!! He’d be a rubbish king but I’d like to see his friends pics !! | |||
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"Make Harry king!! Or if not at least William. Also, we should all get naked and drape ourselves in some union jack bunting. For the queen and all. Why Harry?? Even if he was legit he is about 6th in line.... and a narcissistic nob! Quite simply because is fit!!! I think it was a tongue in cheek comment I was being deadly serious. But yes, I'd do him. " He has quite a big bulge so yes I would have a little grapple too | |||
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"Make Harry king!! Or if not at least William. Also, we should all get naked and drape ourselves in some union jack bunting. For the queen and all. Why Harry?? Even if he was legit he is about 6th in line.... and a narcissistic nob! Quite simply because is fit!!! I think it was a tongue in cheek comment I was being deadly serious. But yes, I'd do him. Had him!!! He’d be a rubbish king but I’d like to see his friends pics !!" He’d be a great king. He’d be doing Piers Morgan’s Life Stories and telling us why his mam told him to stay away from Uncle Andy. | |||
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"Make Harry king!! Or if not at least William. Also, we should all get naked and drape ourselves in some union jack bunting. For the queen and all. Why Harry?? Even if he was legit he is about 6th in line.... and a narcissistic nob! Quite simply because is fit!!! I think it was a tongue in cheek comment I was being deadly serious. But yes, I'd do him. Had him!!! He’d be a rubbish king but I’d like to see his friends pics !! He’d be a great king. He’d be doing Piers Morgan’s Life Stories and telling us why his mam told him to stay away from Uncle Andy." That’s the only piers Morgan episode I’d watch | |||
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"Chop off their heads, sell their piles to some tourist company, give the land back to the people and cut taxes for the poor. Ancient and outdated. " Would the aforementioned piles be preserved in formalin or frozen? | |||
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"I don’t really care either way - the role is a complete figure head now and I do think that they being in more money than they cost due to tourism etc so I would probably keep them an that basis alone. I am curious as to how many of the anti-monarchy group are going to demonstrate their true feelings by NOT taking the holiday off to celebrate? "I'm working. Hope this helps | |||
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"Chop off their heads, sell their piles to some tourist company, give the land back to the people and cut taxes for the poor." If you “sell their piles to some tourist company” how do you also “give the land back to the people”? You can do one or the other. If it is the former then surely the only reason a “tourist” company would by “the piles” is so that they can profit from it - which backs the argument that the royals bring in more than they cost. If you “give the land back” then who pays for its upkeep? | |||
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"Chop off their heads, sell their piles to some tourist company, give the land back to the people and cut taxes for the poor. Ancient and outdated. " Like the Romanov's? | |||
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"Chop off their heads, sell their piles to some tourist company, give the land back to the people and cut taxes for the poor. If you “sell their piles to some tourist company” how do you also “give the land back to the people”? You can do one or the other. If it is the former then surely the only reason a “tourist” company would by “the piles” is so that they can profit from it - which backs the argument that the royals bring in more than they cost. If you “give the land back” then who pays for its upkeep? " The tourist revenue - which still exists in France - will. And in any case it's worth it to get rid of people who believe they were ordained by god to cosplay. They're welcome to their weird kinks, but they can keep it to themselves and stop expecting a handout for it. | |||
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"Was talking about this with my kids yesterday. And with how much she is worth and how much she has on assets etc. It does seem rather mental that they have so much and yet still get tax payers money when there are people who are struggling financially. I think I'd like to see a proper study on how much they cost us, how much tourism they bring in. How much would it fall if they were abolished. I mean I want to go to the palace of Versailles and France don't have a monarchy. If their main function is to be a tourist attraction and to be essentially the government's celebrity then more transparency is required I think. " They don't really get taxpayers money. At least not in the sense that it's money generated in tax by every day tax payers. 100% of the profits of the crown estate are surrendered to the treasury. They then get a certain amount back each year which is periodically reviewed. This is what is often called "taxpayers money" but if I surrendered all my money to the government and they gave me 25% of it back a year, am I really funded by the taxpayer? | |||
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"'Old age and treachery will always beat youth and exuberance.' So that's why younger men prefer older women "I won't complain  | |||
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"Abolish. The royals are one of richest families around. They do not need anymore yet year on year they take millions from taxpayers money. Then cast mind back to Panama papers scandal where the Royal hid millions so as to avoid paying uk tax on it. No reason at all for all the palaces there is. Move all into Buckingham palace close or moth ball the rest. Now folk say they bring revenue to nation it was at its peak when Princess Di was alive. When folk say they serve nation well apart from odd bit of ribbon cutting. Now and this bit is the most crucial thing. The rise in amount of food banks is shameful. Folk are struggling like never before and money Royals take from taxpayers should never come above the poor. Never ever should this occur." ^^^This 100%. | |||
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"Abolish. Leaches, murderers and P**dos the lot of them. " It’s not the lot of them though is it?
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"Chop off their heads, sell their piles to some tourist company, give the land back to the people and cut taxes for the poor. If you “sell their piles to some tourist company” how do you also “give the land back to the people”? You can do one or the other. If it is the former then surely the only reason a “tourist” company would by “the piles” is so that they can profit from it - which backs the argument that the royals bring in more than they cost. If you “give the land back” then who pays for its upkeep? The tourist revenue - which still exists in France - will. And in any case it's worth it to get rid of people who believe they were ordained by god to cosplay. They're welcome to their weird kinks, but they can keep it to themselves and stop expecting a handout for it."  | |||
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"Chop off their heads, sell their piles to some tourist company, give the land back to the people and cut taxes for the poor. If you “sell their piles to some tourist company” how do you also “give the land back to the people”? You can do one or the other. If it is the former then surely the only reason a “tourist” company would by “the piles” is so that they can profit from it - which backs the argument that the royals bring in more than they cost. If you “give the land back” then who pays for its upkeep? The tourist revenue - which still exists in France - will. And in any case it's worth it to get rid of people who believe they were ordained by god to cosplay. They're welcome to their weird kinks, but they can keep it to themselves and stop expecting a handout for it. "If you're into their kink, that's cool too. You do you. | |||
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"Chop off their heads, sell their piles to some tourist company, give the land back to the people and cut taxes for the poor. If you “sell their piles to some tourist company” how do you also “give the land back to the people”? You can do one or the other. If it is the former then surely the only reason a “tourist” company would by “the piles” is so that they can profit from it - which backs the argument that the royals bring in more than they cost. If you “give the land back” then who pays for its upkeep? The tourist revenue - which still exists in France - will. And in any case it's worth it to get rid of people who believe they were ordained by god to cosplay. They're welcome to their weird kinks, but they can keep it to themselves and stop expecting a handout for it.
If you're into their kink, that's cool too. You do you."You misunderstand my confused face - I am confused because his original point was about money. He didn’t answer my money question but then pivoted to kinks. I am not sure how they are related. | |||
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"Keep, absolutely keep. This country doesn’t have that much appeal these days and the world is fascinated by the monarchy. We do pomp and ceremony so well and people want to see it and watch. Aside from that, they do good work which means a lot to many people and good causes, charities etc. To be the patron of good causes helps people enormously. They have appeal which others would not. Boris certainly wouldn’t have appeal. I think William and Kate will modernise and that’s fine, but whatever your view the Queen has committed herself unwaveringly to a lifetime of service and is respected the world over. It is only here where we groan but then that’s the modern day British society for you. I would not want a President of Head of State type scenario. Politicians should be there to work, to run the country and they already get enough. It would be wide open to even more abuse. I have total respect for the Queen. An incredible woman. " Well said Babs | |||
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 . Cosplay, costing too much, all paedos, comparing the security of the queen to a bunch of twats sitting on the tarmac!
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"Do you reckon the Queen and her fam think empire was a positive or negative thing? That’s my question of today. " do you reckon if I somehow was deemed worthy enough to be in their presence for dinner, they’d wear a racist broach? God I wonder. | |||
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"Abolish. Leaches, murderers and P**dos the lot of them. It’s not the lot of them though is it?
When all is said and done they are a family and all families have good and bad - that’s life. "They're not just a family though, are they. Most families can't pay their way out of a scandal that involves flying children to remote islands. Most families don't have a whole army sworn to defend them. Make them a normal family before treating them like one - if they're meant to represent Britain then they need to be held to higher standards (though let's be fair, we're not talking sky high here). Oh, and if they don't meet those standards then I want to be able to vote them out | |||
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"Loving all the against arguments these past few days . Cosplay, costing too much, all paedos, comparing the security of the queen to a bunch of twats sitting on the tarmac!
Carry on won’t you
"One day intelligence will actually come back to all these people talking non stop bollocks day in/ day out. | |||
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"To all those so adamantly against the Royals...get to bloody work today!!! "Rather bake you a cake | |||
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"Loving all the against arguments these past few days . Cosplay, costing too much, all paedos, comparing the security of the queen to a bunch of twats sitting on the tarmac!
Carry on won’t you
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"Abolish. Leaches, murderers and P**dos the lot of them. It’s not the lot of them though is it?
When all is said and done they are a family and all families have good and bad - that’s life.
They're not just a family though, are they. Most families can't pay their way out of a scandal that involves flying children to remote islands. Most families don't have a whole army sworn to defend them.
Make them a normal family before treating them like one - if they're meant to represent Britain then they need to be held to higher standards (though let's be fair, we're not talking sky high here).
Oh, and if they don't meet those standards then I want to be able to vote them out "Good luck with that. If you ever see a family in a position of responsibility there will be trouble behind the scenes with some of them. The things you mention don’t change the Queen giving a lifetime to service, how the royals generate jobs and funds. Anyway, I’m not here to convince anyone. We all have our opinions but I am waiting to see the day when your average family puts granny Betty out to work at 96 years of age - and then throw into the mix nasty comments made by people constantly. Let’s hope average Granny has a thick skin. | |||
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"Loving all the against arguments these past few days . Cosplay, costing too much, all paedos, comparing the security of the queen to a bunch of twats sitting on the tarmac!
Carry on won’t you
"Maybe, they will be goi g to work in protest or handing the bank holiday pay back I’m sure
But for those that are working (including those on parade), we appreciate it | |||
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"Was talking about this with my kids yesterday. And with how much she is worth and how much she has on assets etc. It does seem rather mental that they have so much and yet still get tax payers money when there are people who are struggling financially. I think I'd like to see a proper study on how much they cost us, how much tourism they bring in. How much would it fall if they were abolished. I mean I want to go to the palace of Versailles and France don't have a monarchy. If their main function is to be a tourist attraction and to be essentially the government's celebrity then more transparency is required I think. They don't really get taxpayers money. At least not in the sense that it's money generated in tax by every day tax payers. 100% of the profits of the crown estate are surrendered to the treasury. They then get a certain amount back each year which is periodically reviewed. This is what is often called "taxpayers money" but if I surrendered all my money to the government and they gave me 25% of it back a year, am I really funded by the taxpayer? " Fair point. I'm neither for or against. Just more clarity of their value for money. For example trooping of the army today I'd watch it regardless if it was for the queen or the forces of the UK (I like a bit of pomp and ceremony). If it was found royalty created more income than if they didn't exist, then it would stop much of the debate. | |||
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"Oh, and if they don't meet those standards then I want to be able to vote them out
Good luck with that. If you ever see a family in a position of responsibility there will be trouble behind the scenes with some of them.
The things you mention don’t change the Queen giving a lifetime to service, how the royals generate jobs and funds.
Anyway, I’m not here to convince anyone. We all have our opinions but I am waiting to see the day when your average family puts granny Betty out to work at 96 years of age - and then throw into the mix nasty comments made by people constantly. Let’s hope average Granny has a thick skin. "We don't need to have a family as head of state though, which solves that problem also: we could just not have a 96 year old working? Not that I feel sorry for her but that's not a necessity (is it even desirable?).
Overall the royal family takes much more than they give, and what they currently give they could continue to give without being heads of state.
I want to see criminals put to justice and tax payers money going to far more important priorities. While the queen gets in the way of that I see no choice but to be a Republican. | |||
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"'Old age and treachery will always beat youth and exuberance.' So that's why younger men prefer older women "What treachery can I bring to bear that will prevent all the younger guys getting all the older women? | |||
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"Oh, and if they don't meet those standards then I want to be able to vote them out
Good luck with that. If you ever see a family in a position of responsibility there will be trouble behind the scenes with some of them.
The things you mention don’t change the Queen giving a lifetime to service, how the royals generate jobs and funds.
Anyway, I’m not here to convince anyone. We all have our opinions but I am waiting to see the day when your average family puts granny Betty out to work at 96 years of age - and then throw into the mix nasty comments made by people constantly. Let’s hope average Granny has a thick skin.
We don't need to have a family as head of state though, which solves that problem also: we could just not have a 96 year old working? Not that I feel sorry for her but that's not a necessity (is it even desirable?).
Overall the royal family takes much more than they give, and what they currently give they could continue to give without being heads of state.
I want to see criminals put to justice and tax payers money going to far more important priorities. While the queen gets in the way of that I see no choice but to be a Republican."A Head of State doesn’t bring any appeal or generate any income of any note. Open to corruption. Look at Boris
As for criminals, every single day there are lawyers getting people off from crimes they have committed. Is it right? No, of course not but that has nothing to do with being part of a royal family. We are just accepting of that because we don’t see it.
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"Loving all the against arguments these past few days . Cosplay, costing too much, all paedos, comparing the security of the queen to a bunch of twats sitting on the tarmac!
Carry on won’t you
Maybe, they will be goi g to work in protest or handing the bank holiday pay back I’m sure
But for those that are working (including those on parade), we appreciate it "As noted, I'm working today. It is interesting that those who disagree with the monarchy are expected to stop talking, per other threads, and not have nice things, in a country with one of the least amount of bank holidays in Europe. I don't want to deprive monarchists of anything. I just think that a monarchy in the 21st century is an offensive institution. You can have your pomp and circumstance - none of it has to go. (Also, I'm volunteering at a jubilee party tomorrow, and biting my tongue, because it's about my community and it makes them happy) | |||
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"Loving all the against arguments these past few days . Cosplay, costing too much, all paedos, comparing the security of the queen to a bunch of twats sitting on the tarmac!
Carry on won’t you
Maybe, they will be goi g to work in protest or handing the bank holiday pay back I’m sure
But for those that are working (including those on parade), we appreciate it
As noted, I'm working today.
It is interesting that those who disagree with the monarchy are expected to stop talking, per other threads, and not have nice things, in a country with one of the least amount of bank holidays in Europe.
I don't want to deprive monarchists of anything. I just think that a monarchy in the 21st century is an offensive institution. You can have your pomp and circumstance - none of it has to go.
(Also, I'm volunteering at a jubilee party tomorrow, and biting my tongue, because it's about my community and it makes them happy)"We have a shockingly poor allocation of bank holidays, that will be the government to blame there. I think after times of great challenges and difficulties it wouldn’t hurt people to embrace a bit of happiness and a day off. Whether people agree with the system or not we have a lady that has committed her life to service and it hurts absolutely nobody to acknowledge it. The conversation just sinks to name calling them as scroungers and paedos etc. Today is about the Queen, it’s an achievement which will go down in history. I accept others points of view if they keep it civil but I don’t agree with some of the comments on here. | |||
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"A president would be democratically elected by the citizens and not be head of the church. In a so called democracy let us remember that the monarch cannot be a Catholic. A president could be of any religion or none. This country which boasts democracy, openness and equality has a law preventing a Catholic becoming the monarch. Time that the UK grew up." But in many countries a head of state still needs to be affiliated to a religion. | |||
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"A president would be democratically elected by the citizens and not be head of the church. In a so called democracy let us remember that the monarch cannot be a Catholic. A president could be of any religion or none. This country which boasts democracy, openness and equality has a law preventing a Catholic becoming the monarch. Time that the UK grew up." Here you go … More than half of the countries with religion-related restrictions on their heads of state (17) maintain that the office must be held by a Muslim. In Jordan, for example, the heir to the throne must be a Muslim child of Muslim parents. In Tunisia, any Muslim male or female voter born in the country may qualify as a candidate for president. Malaysia, Pakistan and Mauritania also restrict their heads of state to Muslim citizens. For information purposes - not to get into a debate about religion. | |||
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"A president would be democratically elected by the citizens and not be head of the church. In a so called democracy let us remember that the monarch cannot be a Catholic. A president could be of any religion or none. This country which boasts democracy, openness and equality has a law preventing a Catholic becoming the monarch. Time that the UK grew up. Here you go … More than half of the countries with religion-related restrictions on their heads of state (17) maintain that the office must be held by a Muslim. In Jordan, for example, the heir to the throne must be a Muslim child of Muslim parents. In Tunisia, any Muslim male or female voter born in the country may qualify as a candidate for president. Malaysia, Pakistan and Mauritania also restrict their heads of state to Muslim citizens. For information purposes - not to get into a debate about religion. " Right but that doesn't mean we'd need to copy them. | |||
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"A president would be democratically elected by the citizens and not be head of the church. In a so called democracy let us remember that the monarch cannot be a Catholic. A president could be of any religion or none. This country which boasts democracy, openness and equality has a law preventing a Catholic becoming the monarch. Time that the UK grew up. Here you go … More than half of the countries with religion-related restrictions on their heads of state (17) maintain that the office must be held by a Muslim. In Jordan, for example, the heir to the throne must be a Muslim child of Muslim parents. In Tunisia, any Muslim male or female voter born in the country may qualify as a candidate for president. Malaysia, Pakistan and Mauritania also restrict their heads of state to Muslim citizens. For information purposes - not to get into a debate about religion. Right but that doesn't mean we'd need to copy them." Oh dear I don’t think there’s any copying going on. Take religion out of the equation as a requirement and people will still hold their religious beliefs. It changes nothing. | |||
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But those beliefs are largely non-religious nowadays anyway."You don’t know that. | |||
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But those beliefs are largely non-religious nowadays anyway.
You don’t know that. "I really do 49% irreligious. Only 17% are Anglican, too. | |||
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"Loving all the against arguments these past few days . Cosplay, costing too much, all paedos, comparing the security of the queen to a bunch of twats sitting on the tarmac!
Carry on won’t you
Maybe, they will be goi g to work in protest or handing the bank holiday pay back I’m sure
But for those that are working (including those on parade), we appreciate it
As noted, I'm working today.
It is interesting that those who disagree with the monarchy are expected to stop talking, per other threads, and not have nice things, in a country with one of the least amount of bank holidays in Europe.
I don't want to deprive monarchists of anything. I just think that a monarchy in the 21st century is an offensive institution. You can have your pomp and circumstance - none of it has to go.
(Also, I'm volunteering at a jubilee party tomorrow, and biting my tongue, because it's about my community and it makes them happy)
We have a shockingly poor allocation of bank holidays, that will be the government to blame there.
I think after times of great challenges and difficulties it wouldn’t hurt people to embrace a bit of happiness and a day off.
Whether people agree with the system or not we have a lady that has committed her life to service and it hurts absolutely nobody to acknowledge it. The conversation just sinks to name calling them as scroungers and paedos etc. Today is about the Queen, it’s an achievement which will go down in history.
I accept others points of view if they keep it civil but I don’t agree with some of the comments on here. "I respect her as much as I respect Elizabeth Smith from Oldham. I don't want her executed or treated badly or anything, I just find the institution absurd and offensive in this day and age. If I could wave a wand I'd give the Queen ten times the state pension, Charles and his siblings five times (except Andrew, he can have double). As the law often equates the property of the government with the property of the Queen with the property of the government, make it the property of the government and use the proceeds to fund education and health. | |||
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But those beliefs are largely non-religious nowadays anyway.
You don’t know that.
I really do 49% irreligious. Only 17% are Anglican, too."I think thats the percentage that are not affiliated with a religion but that doesn’t mean they don’t have religious beliefs. | |||
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"Loving all the against arguments these past few days . Cosplay, costing too much, all paedos, comparing the security of the queen to a bunch of twats sitting on the tarmac!
Carry on won’t you
Maybe, they will be goi g to work in protest or handing the bank holiday pay back I’m sure
But for those that are working (including those on parade), we appreciate it
As noted, I'm working today.
It is interesting that those who disagree with the monarchy are expected to stop talking, per other threads, and not have nice things, in a country with one of the least amount of bank holidays in Europe.
I don't want to deprive monarchists of anything. I just think that a monarchy in the 21st century is an offensive institution. You can have your pomp and circumstance - none of it has to go.
(Also, I'm volunteering at a jubilee party tomorrow, and biting my tongue, because it's about my community and it makes them happy)
We have a shockingly poor allocation of bank holidays, that will be the government to blame there.
I think after times of great challenges and difficulties it wouldn’t hurt people to embrace a bit of happiness and a day off.
Whether people agree with the system or not we have a lady that has committed her life to service and it hurts absolutely nobody to acknowledge it. The conversation just sinks to name calling them as scroungers and paedos etc. Today is about the Queen, it’s an achievement which will go down in history.
I accept others points of view if they keep it civil but I don’t agree with some of the comments on here.
I respect her as much as I respect Elizabeth Smith from Oldham. I don't want her executed or treated badly or anything, I just find the institution absurd and offensive in this day and age.
If I could wave a wand I'd give the Queen ten times the state pension, Charles and his siblings five times (except Andrew, he can have double). As the law often equates the property of the government with the property of the Queen with the property of the government, make it the property of the government and use the proceeds to fund education and health. "Wealth is a whole other issue. I would rather not pay politicians for two homes, exorbitant expense claims and privilege for which they do very little. That money could be used for education and health. I would also prefer them not to lie but they were elected by the public so here we are. The tax payer barely contributes towards the Royal family and they generate a massive income and provide many jobs. We are not alone in having a monarchy and I think it works well. On this one we disagree Swing, but that’s okay | |||
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"Loving all the against arguments these past few days . Cosplay, costing too much, all paedos, comparing the security of the queen to a bunch of twats sitting on the tarmac!
Carry on won’t you
Maybe, they will be goi g to work in protest or handing the bank holiday pay back I’m sure
But for those that are working (including those on parade), we appreciate it
As noted, I'm working today.
It is interesting that those who disagree with the monarchy are expected to stop talking, per other threads, and not have nice things, in a country with one of the least amount of bank holidays in Europe.
I don't want to deprive monarchists of anything. I just think that a monarchy in the 21st century is an offensive institution. You can have your pomp and circumstance - none of it has to go.
(Also, I'm volunteering at a jubilee party tomorrow, and biting my tongue, because it's about my community and it makes them happy)
We have a shockingly poor allocation of bank holidays, that will be the government to blame there.
I think after times of great challenges and difficulties it wouldn’t hurt people to embrace a bit of happiness and a day off.
Whether people agree with the system or not we have a lady that has committed her life to service and it hurts absolutely nobody to acknowledge it. The conversation just sinks to name calling them as scroungers and paedos etc. Today is about the Queen, it’s an achievement which will go down in history.
I accept others points of view if they keep it civil but I don’t agree with some of the comments on here.
I respect her as much as I respect Elizabeth Smith from Oldham. I don't want her executed or treated badly or anything, I just find the institution absurd and offensive in this day and age.
If I could wave a wand I'd give the Queen ten times the state pension, Charles and his siblings five times (except Andrew, he can have double). As the law often equates the property of the government with the property of the Queen with the property of the government, make it the property of the government and use the proceeds to fund education and health.
Wealth is a whole other issue. I would rather not pay politicians for two homes, exorbitant expense claims and privilege for which they do very little. That money could be used for education and health. I would also prefer them not to lie but they were elected by the public so here we are.
The tax payer barely contributes towards the Royal family and they generate a massive income and provide many jobs. We are not alone in having a monarchy and I think it works well. On this one we disagree Swing, but that’s okay "It is ok that we disagree, and I'm debating, not slamming you as a person. I'd also change the bullshit politicians get up to, my magic wand reforms are not exclusive to the monarchy. I'd probably make expenses much more limited and approved of only (and in line with industry). Ban second jobs, limit conflict of interest jobs for ten years, automatic dismissal for MPs found guilty of a crime (including paying penalty notices), independent and constitutionally protected election board and anti corruption watchdog. But as this thread isn't about how I'd unfuck parliament, I hadn't addressed that. Even if the royals return 500x on investment, I would abolish them. Because the idea that we should grovel to someone because their mother was inseminated by a particular penis is reprehensible. | |||
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"Loving all the against arguments these past few days . Cosplay, costing too much, all paedos, comparing the security of the queen to a bunch of twats sitting on the tarmac!
Carry on won’t you
Maybe, they will be goi g to work in protest or handing the bank holiday pay back I’m sure
But for those that are working (including those on parade), we appreciate it
As noted, I'm working today.
It is interesting that those who disagree with the monarchy are expected to stop talking, per other threads, and not have nice things, in a country with one of the least amount of bank holidays in Europe.
I don't want to deprive monarchists of anything. I just think that a monarchy in the 21st century is an offensive institution. You can have your pomp and circumstance - none of it has to go.
(Also, I'm volunteering at a jubilee party tomorrow, and biting my tongue, because it's about my community and it makes them happy)
We have a shockingly poor allocation of bank holidays, that will be the government to blame there.
I think after times of great challenges and difficulties it wouldn’t hurt people to embrace a bit of happiness and a day off.
Whether people agree with the system or not we have a lady that has committed her life to service and it hurts absolutely nobody to acknowledge it. The conversation just sinks to name calling them as scroungers and paedos etc. Today is about the Queen, it’s an achievement which will go down in history.
I accept others points of view if they keep it civil but I don’t agree with some of the comments on here.
I respect her as much as I respect Elizabeth Smith from Oldham. I don't want her executed or treated badly or anything, I just find the institution absurd and offensive in this day and age.
If I could wave a wand I'd give the Queen ten times the state pension, Charles and his siblings five times (except Andrew, he can have double). As the law often equates the property of the government with the property of the Queen with the property of the government, make it the property of the government and use the proceeds to fund education and health.
Wealth is a whole other issue. I would rather not pay politicians for two homes, exorbitant expense claims and privilege for which they do very little. That money could be used for education and health. I would also prefer them not to lie but they were elected by the public so here we are.
The tax payer barely contributes towards the Royal family and they generate a massive income and provide many jobs. We are not alone in having a monarchy and I think it works well. On this one we disagree Swing, but that’s okay
It is ok that we disagree, and I'm debating, not slamming you as a person.
I'd also change the bullshit politicians get up to, my magic wand reforms are not exclusive to the monarchy. I'd probably make expenses much more limited and approved of only (and in line with industry). Ban second jobs, limit conflict of interest jobs for ten years, automatic dismissal for MPs found guilty of a crime (including paying penalty notices), independent and constitutionally protected election board and anti corruption watchdog.
But as this thread isn't about how I'd unfuck parliament, I hadn't addressed that.
Even if the royals return 500x on investment, I would abolish them. Because the idea that we should grovel to someone because their mother was inseminated by a particular penis is reprehensible."I so agree | |||
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"Loving all the against arguments these past few days . Cosplay, costing too much, all paedos, comparing the security of the queen to a bunch of twats sitting on the tarmac!
Carry on won’t you
Maybe, they will be goi g to work in protest or handing the bank holiday pay back I’m sure
But for those that are working (including those on parade), we appreciate it
As noted, I'm working today.
It is interesting that those who disagree with the monarchy are expected to stop talking, per other threads, and not have nice things, in a country with one of the least amount of bank holidays in Europe.
I don't want to deprive monarchists of anything. I just think that a monarchy in the 21st century is an offensive institution. You can have your pomp and circumstance - none of it has to go.
(Also, I'm volunteering at a jubilee party tomorrow, and biting my tongue, because it's about my community and it makes them happy)
We have a shockingly poor allocation of bank holidays, that will be the government to blame there.
I think after times of great challenges and difficulties it wouldn’t hurt people to embrace a bit of happiness and a day off.
Whether people agree with the system or not we have a lady that has committed her life to service and it hurts absolutely nobody to acknowledge it. The conversation just sinks to name calling them as scroungers and paedos etc. Today is about the Queen, it’s an achievement which will go down in history.
I accept others points of view if they keep it civil but I don’t agree with some of the comments on here.
I respect her as much as I respect Elizabeth Smith from Oldham. I don't want her executed or treated badly or anything, I just find the institution absurd and offensive in this day and age.
If I could wave a wand I'd give the Queen ten times the state pension, Charles and his siblings five times (except Andrew, he can have double). As the law often equates the property of the government with the property of the Queen with the property of the government, make it the property of the government and use the proceeds to fund education and health.
Wealth is a whole other issue. I would rather not pay politicians for two homes, exorbitant expense claims and privilege for which they do very little. That money could be used for education and health. I would also prefer them not to lie but they were elected by the public so here we are.
The tax payer barely contributes towards the Royal family and they generate a massive income and provide many jobs. We are not alone in having a monarchy and I think it works well. On this one we disagree Swing, but that’s okay
It is ok that we disagree, and I'm debating, not slamming you as a person.
I'd also change the bullshit politicians get up to, my magic wand reforms are not exclusive to the monarchy. I'd probably make expenses much more limited and approved of only (and in line with industry). Ban second jobs, limit conflict of interest jobs for ten years, automatic dismissal for MPs found guilty of a crime (including paying penalty notices), independent and constitutionally protected election board and anti corruption watchdog.
But as this thread isn't about how I'd unfuck parliament, I hadn't addressed that.
Even if the royals return 500x on investment, I would abolish them. Because the idea that we should grovel to someone because their mother was inseminated by a particular penis is reprehensible."Who's forcing you to "grovel" to the Queen? | |||
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"Loving all the against arguments these past few days . Cosplay, costing too much, all paedos, comparing the security of the queen to a bunch of twats sitting on the tarmac!
Carry on won’t you
Maybe, they will be goi g to work in protest or handing the bank holiday pay back I’m sure
But for those that are working (including those on parade), we appreciate it
As noted, I'm working today.
It is interesting that those who disagree with the monarchy are expected to stop talking, per other threads, and not have nice things, in a country with one of the least amount of bank holidays in Europe.
I don't want to deprive monarchists of anything. I just think that a monarchy in the 21st century is an offensive institution. You can have your pomp and circumstance - none of it has to go.
(Also, I'm volunteering at a jubilee party tomorrow, and biting my tongue, because it's about my community and it makes them happy)
We have a shockingly poor allocation of bank holidays, that will be the government to blame there.
I think after times of great challenges and difficulties it wouldn’t hurt people to embrace a bit of happiness and a day off.
Whether people agree with the system or not we have a lady that has committed her life to service and it hurts absolutely nobody to acknowledge it. The conversation just sinks to name calling them as scroungers and paedos etc. Today is about the Queen, it’s an achievement which will go down in history.
I accept others points of view if they keep it civil but I don’t agree with some of the comments on here.
I respect her as much as I respect Elizabeth Smith from Oldham. I don't want her executed or treated badly or anything, I just find the institution absurd and offensive in this day and age.
If I could wave a wand I'd give the Queen ten times the state pension, Charles and his siblings five times (except Andrew, he can have double). As the law often equates the property of the government with the property of the Queen with the property of the government, make it the property of the government and use the proceeds to fund education and health.
Wealth is a whole other issue. I would rather not pay politicians for two homes, exorbitant expense claims and privilege for which they do very little. That money could be used for education and health. I would also prefer them not to lie but they were elected by the public so here we are.
The tax payer barely contributes towards the Royal family and they generate a massive income and provide many jobs. We are not alone in having a monarchy and I think it works well. On this one we disagree Swing, but that’s okay
It is ok that we disagree, and I'm debating, not slamming you as a person.
I'd also change the bullshit politicians get up to, my magic wand reforms are not exclusive to the monarchy. I'd probably make expenses much more limited and approved of only (and in line with industry). Ban second jobs, limit conflict of interest jobs for ten years, automatic dismissal for MPs found guilty of a crime (including paying penalty notices), independent and constitutionally protected election board and anti corruption watchdog.
But as this thread isn't about how I'd unfuck parliament, I hadn't addressed that.
Even if the royals return 500x on investment, I would abolish them. Because the idea that we should grovel to someone because their mother was inseminated by a particular penis is reprehensible.
Who's forcing you to "grovel" to the Queen?"No one. And I don't. But the institution is offensive on its face. (What do I do about it? On the one occasion I was vetted and invited to meet a member of royalty, I declined. As have members of my family) | |||
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" Even if the royals return 500x on investment, I would abolish them. Because the idea that we should grovel to someone because their mother was inseminated by a particular penis is reprehensible." I have met the Queen and Prince Edward on separate occasions and I didn’t have to grovel, an aide ran through a few things and that was it, they were perfectly lovely, chatty and interesting. She wasn’t born to be Queen but she has still devoted her life to it. I would not abolish the monarchy. Do I see scope for modernisation and reduction? Yes, I do but that doesn’t diminish the rest of it for me. | |||
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"Oh dear I don’t think there’s any copying going on. Take religion out of the equation as a requirement and people will still hold their religious beliefs. It changes nothing.
But those beliefs are largely non-religious nowadays anyway.
You don’t know that.
I really do 49% irreligious. Only 17% are Anglican, too.
I think thats the percentage that are not affiliated with a religion but that doesn’t mean they don’t have religious beliefs. "No, it's people that do not hold religious beliefs, the definition of irreligious. | |||
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" Even if the royals return 500x on investment, I would abolish them. Because the idea that we should grovel to someone because their mother was inseminated by a particular penis is reprehensible. I have met the Queen and Prince Edward on separate occasions and I didn’t have to grovel, an aide ran through a few things and that was it, they were perfectly lovely, chatty and interesting. She wasn’t born to be Queen but she has still devoted her life to it. I would not abolish the monarchy. Do I see scope for modernisation and reduction? Yes, I do but that doesn’t diminish the rest of it for me. " Ok. I respect your right to your opinion. (And I hope I've never said or implied anything about you as a person for holding an opinion different to mine. My gripe is the institution, not its supporters) I was once invited to meet royalty and I politely declined, as have several members of my family. (My father did shake hands with the Queen when he was in primary school, I believe. He wasn't given a choice ) | |||
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" Even if the royals return 500x on investment, I would abolish them. Because the idea that we should grovel to someone because their mother was inseminated by a particular penis is reprehensible. I have met the Queen and Prince Edward on separate occasions and I didn’t have to grovel, an aide ran through a few things and that was it, they were perfectly lovely, chatty and interesting. She wasn’t born to be Queen but she has still devoted her life to it. I would not abolish the monarchy. Do I see scope for modernisation and reduction? Yes, I do but that doesn’t diminish the rest of it for me. Ok. I respect your right to your opinion. (And I hope I've never said or implied anything about you as a person for holding an opinion different to mine. My gripe is the institution, not its supporters) I was once invited to meet royalty and I politely declined, as have several members of my family. (My father did shake hands with the Queen when he was in primary school, I believe. He wasn't given a choice )"No you haven’t Swing we have differing view points and we are both okay with that.
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"Loving all the against arguments these past few days . Cosplay, costing too much, all paedos, comparing the security of the queen to a bunch of twats sitting on the tarmac!
Carry on won’t you
Maybe, they will be goi g to work in protest or handing the bank holiday pay back I’m sure
But for those that are working (including those on parade), we appreciate it
As noted, I'm working today.
It is interesting that those who disagree with the monarchy are expected to stop talking, per other threads, and not have nice things, in a country with one of the least amount of bank holidays in Europe.
I don't want to deprive monarchists of anything. I just think that a monarchy in the 21st century is an offensive institution. You can have your pomp and circumstance - none of it has to go.
(Also, I'm volunteering at a jubilee party tomorrow, and biting my tongue, because it's about my community and it makes them happy)
We have a shockingly poor allocation of bank holidays, that will be the government to blame there.
I think after times of great challenges and difficulties it wouldn’t hurt people to embrace a bit of happiness and a day off.
Whether people agree with the system or not we have a lady that has committed her life to service and it hurts absolutely nobody to acknowledge it. The conversation just sinks to name calling them as scroungers and paedos etc. Today is about the Queen, it’s an achievement which will go down in history.
I accept others points of view if they keep it civil but I don’t agree with some of the comments on here.
I respect her as much as I respect Elizabeth Smith from Oldham. I don't want her executed or treated badly or anything, I just find the institution absurd and offensive in this day and age.
If I could wave a wand I'd give the Queen ten times the state pension, Charles and his siblings five times (except Andrew, he can have double). As the law often equates the property of the government with the property of the Queen with the property of the government, make it the property of the government and use the proceeds to fund education and health.
Wealth is a whole other issue. I would rather not pay politicians for two homes, exorbitant expense claims and privilege for which they do very little. That money could be used for education and health. I would also prefer them not to lie but they were elected by the public so here we are.
The tax payer barely contributes towards the Royal family and they generate a massive income and provide many jobs. We are not alone in having a monarchy and I think it works well. On this one we disagree Swing, but that’s okay
It is ok that we disagree, and I'm debating, not slamming you as a person.
I'd also change the bullshit politicians get up to, my magic wand reforms are not exclusive to the monarchy. I'd probably make expenses much more limited and approved of only (and in line with industry). Ban second jobs, limit conflict of interest jobs for ten years, automatic dismissal for MPs found guilty of a crime (including paying penalty notices), independent and constitutionally protected election board and anti corruption watchdog.
But as this thread isn't about how I'd unfuck parliament, I hadn't addressed that.
Even if the royals return 500x on investment, I would abolish them. Because the idea that we should grovel to someone because their mother was inseminated by a particular penis is reprehensible.
Who's forcing you to "grovel" to the Queen?
No one. And I don't.
But the institution is offensive on its face.
(What do I do about it? On the one occasion I was vetted and invited to meet a member of royalty, I declined. As have members of my family)"The institution is not offensive, it's just offensive to you. Different things. | |||
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"Loving all the against arguments these past few days . Cosplay, costing too much, all paedos, comparing the security of the queen to a bunch of twats sitting on the tarmac!
Carry on won’t you
Maybe, they will be goi g to work in protest or handing the bank holiday pay back I’m sure
But for those that are working (including those on parade), we appreciate it
As noted, I'm working today.
It is interesting that those who disagree with the monarchy are expected to stop talking, per other threads, and not have nice things, in a country with one of the least amount of bank holidays in Europe.
I don't want to deprive monarchists of anything. I just think that a monarchy in the 21st century is an offensive institution. You can have your pomp and circumstance - none of it has to go.
(Also, I'm volunteering at a jubilee party tomorrow, and biting my tongue, because it's about my community and it makes them happy)
We have a shockingly poor allocation of bank holidays, that will be the government to blame there.
I think after times of great challenges and difficulties it wouldn’t hurt people to embrace a bit of happiness and a day off.
Whether people agree with the system or not we have a lady that has committed her life to service and it hurts absolutely nobody to acknowledge it. The conversation just sinks to name calling them as scroungers and paedos etc. Today is about the Queen, it’s an achievement which will go down in history.
I accept others points of view if they keep it civil but I don’t agree with some of the comments on here.
I respect her as much as I respect Elizabeth Smith from Oldham. I don't want her executed or treated badly or anything, I just find the institution absurd and offensive in this day and age.
If I could wave a wand I'd give the Queen ten times the state pension, Charles and his siblings five times (except Andrew, he can have double). As the law often equates the property of the government with the property of the Queen with the property of the government, make it the property of the government and use the proceeds to fund education and health.
Wealth is a whole other issue. I would rather not pay politicians for two homes, exorbitant expense claims and privilege for which they do very little. That money could be used for education and health. I would also prefer them not to lie but they were elected by the public so here we are.
The tax payer barely contributes towards the Royal family and they generate a massive income and provide many jobs. We are not alone in having a monarchy and I think it works well. On this one we disagree Swing, but that’s okay
It is ok that we disagree, and I'm debating, not slamming you as a person.
I'd also change the bullshit politicians get up to, my magic wand reforms are not exclusive to the monarchy. I'd probably make expenses much more limited and approved of only (and in line with industry). Ban second jobs, limit conflict of interest jobs for ten years, automatic dismissal for MPs found guilty of a crime (including paying penalty notices), independent and constitutionally protected election board and anti corruption watchdog.
But as this thread isn't about how I'd unfuck parliament, I hadn't addressed that.
Even if the royals return 500x on investment, I would abolish them. Because the idea that we should grovel to someone because their mother was inseminated by a particular penis is reprehensible.
Who's forcing you to "grovel" to the Queen?
No one. And I don't.
But the institution is offensive on its face.
(What do I do about it? On the one occasion I was vetted and invited to meet a member of royalty, I declined. As have members of my family)
The institution is not offensive, it's just offensive to you. Different things."Ok, if you believe that it's not offensive that people get to prance around pretending to work, in unimaginable luxury, because they were born into a particular family, while children in this country go hungry... Then our values are not even in the same solar system. Value is earned, not bestowed at birth. Except if you're in that particular family, because reasons. | |||
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"Loving all the against arguments these past few days . Cosplay, costing too much, all paedos, comparing the security of the queen to a bunch of twats sitting on the tarmac!
Carry on won’t you
Maybe, they will be goi g to work in protest or handing the bank holiday pay back I’m sure
But for those that are working (including those on parade), we appreciate it
As noted, I'm working today.
It is interesting that those who disagree with the monarchy are expected to stop talking, per other threads, and not have nice things, in a country with one of the least amount of bank holidays in Europe.
I don't want to deprive monarchists of anything. I just think that a monarchy in the 21st century is an offensive institution. You can have your pomp and circumstance - none of it has to go.
(Also, I'm volunteering at a jubilee party tomorrow, and biting my tongue, because it's about my community and it makes them happy)
We have a shockingly poor allocation of bank holidays, that will be the government to blame there.
I think after times of great challenges and difficulties it wouldn’t hurt people to embrace a bit of happiness and a day off.
Whether people agree with the system or not we have a lady that has committed her life to service and it hurts absolutely nobody to acknowledge it. The conversation just sinks to name calling them as scroungers and paedos etc. Today is about the Queen, it’s an achievement which will go down in history.
I accept others points of view if they keep it civil but I don’t agree with some of the comments on here.
I respect her as much as I respect Elizabeth Smith from Oldham. I don't want her executed or treated badly or anything, I just find the institution absurd and offensive in this day and age.
If I could wave a wand I'd give the Queen ten times the state pension, Charles and his siblings five times (except Andrew, he can have double). As the law often equates the property of the government with the property of the Queen with the property of the government, make it the property of the government and use the proceeds to fund education and health.
Wealth is a whole other issue. I would rather not pay politicians for two homes, exorbitant expense claims and privilege for which they do very little. That money could be used for education and health. I would also prefer them not to lie but they were elected by the public so here we are.
The tax payer barely contributes towards the Royal family and they generate a massive income and provide many jobs. We are not alone in having a monarchy and I think it works well. On this one we disagree Swing, but that’s okay
It is ok that we disagree, and I'm debating, not slamming you as a person.
I'd also change the bullshit politicians get up to, my magic wand reforms are not exclusive to the monarchy. I'd probably make expenses much more limited and approved of only (and in line with industry). Ban second jobs, limit conflict of interest jobs for ten years, automatic dismissal for MPs found guilty of a crime (including paying penalty notices), independent and constitutionally protected election board and anti corruption watchdog.
But as this thread isn't about how I'd unfuck parliament, I hadn't addressed that.
Even if the royals return 500x on investment, I would abolish them. Because the idea that we should grovel to someone because their mother was inseminated by a particular penis is reprehensible.
Who's forcing you to "grovel" to the Queen?
No one. And I don't.
But the institution is offensive on its face.
(What do I do about it? On the one occasion I was vetted and invited to meet a member of royalty, I declined. As have members of my family)
The institution is not offensive, it's just offensive to you. Different things.
Ok, if you believe that it's not offensive that people get to prance around pretending to work, in unimaginable luxury, because they were born into a particular family, while children in this country go hungry... Then our values are not even in the same solar system.
Value is earned, not bestowed at birth. Except if you're in that particular family, because reasons."Yeah, it's known as "inheritance" and it happens across society. When your parents kick or kicked the bucket, I'll bet a pound to a pinch of shit that you won't be donating any of it to starving children. | |||
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"Loving all the against arguments these past few days . Cosplay, costing too much, all paedos, comparing the security of the queen to a bunch of twats sitting on the tarmac!
Carry on won’t you
Maybe, they will be goi g to work in protest or handing the bank holiday pay back I’m sure
But for those that are working (including those on parade), we appreciate it
As noted, I'm working today.
It is interesting that those who disagree with the monarchy are expected to stop talking, per other threads, and not have nice things, in a country with one of the least amount of bank holidays in Europe.
I don't want to deprive monarchists of anything. I just think that a monarchy in the 21st century is an offensive institution. You can have your pomp and circumstance - none of it has to go.
(Also, I'm volunteering at a jubilee party tomorrow, and biting my tongue, because it's about my community and it makes them happy)
We have a shockingly poor allocation of bank holidays, that will be the government to blame there.
I think after times of great challenges and difficulties it wouldn’t hurt people to embrace a bit of happiness and a day off.
Whether people agree with the system or not we have a lady that has committed her life to service and it hurts absolutely nobody to acknowledge it. The conversation just sinks to name calling them as scroungers and paedos etc. Today is about the Queen, it’s an achievement which will go down in history.
I accept others points of view if they keep it civil but I don’t agree with some of the comments on here.
I respect her as much as I respect Elizabeth Smith from Oldham. I don't want her executed or treated badly or anything, I just find the institution absurd and offensive in this day and age.
If I could wave a wand I'd give the Queen ten times the state pension, Charles and his siblings five times (except Andrew, he can have double). As the law often equates the property of the government with the property of the Queen with the property of the government, make it the property of the government and use the proceeds to fund education and health.
Wealth is a whole other issue. I would rather not pay politicians for two homes, exorbitant expense claims and privilege for which they do very little. That money could be used for education and health. I would also prefer them not to lie but they were elected by the public so here we are.
The tax payer barely contributes towards the Royal family and they generate a massive income and provide many jobs. We are not alone in having a monarchy and I think it works well. On this one we disagree Swing, but that’s okay
It is ok that we disagree, and I'm debating, not slamming you as a person.
I'd also change the bullshit politicians get up to, my magic wand reforms are not exclusive to the monarchy. I'd probably make expenses much more limited and approved of only (and in line with industry). Ban second jobs, limit conflict of interest jobs for ten years, automatic dismissal for MPs found guilty of a crime (including paying penalty notices), independent and constitutionally protected election board and anti corruption watchdog.
But as this thread isn't about how I'd unfuck parliament, I hadn't addressed that.
Even if the royals return 500x on investment, I would abolish them. Because the idea that we should grovel to someone because their mother was inseminated by a particular penis is reprehensible.
Who's forcing you to "grovel" to the Queen?
No one. And I don't.
But the institution is offensive on its face.
(What do I do about it? On the one occasion I was vetted and invited to meet a member of royalty, I declined. As have members of my family)
The institution is not offensive, it's just offensive to you. Different things.
Ok, if you believe that it's not offensive that people get to prance around pretending to work, in unimaginable luxury, because they were born into a particular family, while children in this country go hungry... Then our values are not even in the same solar system.
Value is earned, not bestowed at birth. Except if you're in that particular family, because reasons.
Yeah, it's known as "inheritance" and it happens across society. When your parents kick or kicked the bucket, I'll bet a pound to a pinch of shit that you won't be donating any of it to starving children."Charming. I regularly donate to charity and am a longtime volunteer. My parents are alive, thank you for asking, and also give generously to charity. Your bet would be incorrect. But because I'm a regular person, my charity work is virtue signalling, while the royals are fawned over for the same thing. Funny how that works
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"Loving all the against arguments these past few days . Cosplay, costing too much, all paedos, comparing the security of the queen to a bunch of twats sitting on the tarmac!
Carry on won’t you
Maybe, they will be goi g to work in protest or handing the bank holiday pay back I’m sure
But for those that are working (including those on parade), we appreciate it
As noted, I'm working today.
It is interesting that those who disagree with the monarchy are expected to stop talking, per other threads, and not have nice things, in a country with one of the least amount of bank holidays in Europe.
I don't want to deprive monarchists of anything. I just think that a monarchy in the 21st century is an offensive institution. You can have your pomp and circumstance - none of it has to go.
(Also, I'm volunteering at a jubilee party tomorrow, and biting my tongue, because it's about my community and it makes them happy)
We have a shockingly poor allocation of bank holidays, that will be the government to blame there.
I think after times of great challenges and difficulties it wouldn’t hurt people to embrace a bit of happiness and a day off.
Whether people agree with the system or not we have a lady that has committed her life to service and it hurts absolutely nobody to acknowledge it. The conversation just sinks to name calling them as scroungers and paedos etc. Today is about the Queen, it’s an achievement which will go down in history.
I accept others points of view if they keep it civil but I don’t agree with some of the comments on here.
I respect her as much as I respect Elizabeth Smith from Oldham. I don't want her executed or treated badly or anything, I just find the institution absurd and offensive in this day and age.
If I could wave a wand I'd give the Queen ten times the state pension, Charles and his siblings five times (except Andrew, he can have double). As the law often equates the property of the government with the property of the Queen with the property of the government, make it the property of the government and use the proceeds to fund education and health.
Wealth is a whole other issue. I would rather not pay politicians for two homes, exorbitant expense claims and privilege for which they do very little. That money could be used for education and health. I would also prefer them not to lie but they were elected by the public so here we are.
The tax payer barely contributes towards the Royal family and they generate a massive income and provide many jobs. We are not alone in having a monarchy and I think it works well. On this one we disagree Swing, but that’s okay
It is ok that we disagree, and I'm debating, not slamming you as a person.
I'd also change the bullshit politicians get up to, my magic wand reforms are not exclusive to the monarchy. I'd probably make expenses much more limited and approved of only (and in line with industry). Ban second jobs, limit conflict of interest jobs for ten years, automatic dismissal for MPs found guilty of a crime (including paying penalty notices), independent and constitutionally protected election board and anti corruption watchdog.
But as this thread isn't about how I'd unfuck parliament, I hadn't addressed that.
Even if the royals return 500x on investment, I would abolish them. Because the idea that we should grovel to someone because their mother was inseminated by a particular penis is reprehensible.
Who's forcing you to "grovel" to the Queen?
No one. And I don't.
But the institution is offensive on its face.
(What do I do about it? On the one occasion I was vetted and invited to meet a member of royalty, I declined. As have members of my family)
The institution is not offensive, it's just offensive to you. Different things.
Ok, if you believe that it's not offensive that people get to prance around pretending to work, in unimaginable luxury, because they were born into a particular family, while children in this country go hungry... Then our values are not even in the same solar system.
Value is earned, not bestowed at birth. Except if you're in that particular family, because reasons.
Yeah, it's known as "inheritance" and it happens across society. When your parents kick or kicked the bucket, I'll bet a pound to a pinch of shit that you won't be donating any of it to starving children.
Charming.
I regularly donate to charity and am a longtime volunteer. My parents are alive, thank you for asking, and also give generously to charity.
Your bet would be incorrect.
But because I'm a regular person, my charity work is virtue signalling, while the royals are fawned over for the same thing. Funny how that works
My inheritance will come from my parents' work and investments (minus their charitable giving). The inheritance of the royals comes from the absurd idea that they were ordained by God to rule."Lets not start a God debate..?? | |||
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"Yeah, it's known as "inheritance" and it happens across society. When your parents kick or kicked the bucket, I'll bet a pound to a pinch of shit that you won't be donating any of it to starving children." Bold of you to assume everyone else has an inheritance due. Waiting on a payday are we? Where I come from you work for what you get, you don't wait for your parents to die while you sit about leeching off their estate. If my parents had anything for us to inherit (and they don't) I'd be embarrassed to accept it and, yeh, I'd probably donate it to people in need. | |||
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"Loving all the against arguments these past few days . Cosplay, costing too much, all paedos, comparing the security of the queen to a bunch of twats sitting on the tarmac!
Carry on won’t you
Maybe, they will be goi g to work in protest or handing the bank holiday pay back I’m sure
But for those that are working (including those on parade), we appreciate it
As noted, I'm working today.
It is interesting that those who disagree with the monarchy are expected to stop talking, per other threads, and not have nice things, in a country with one of the least amount of bank holidays in Europe.
I don't want to deprive monarchists of anything. I just think that a monarchy in the 21st century is an offensive institution. You can have your pomp and circumstance - none of it has to go.
(Also, I'm volunteering at a jubilee party tomorrow, and biting my tongue, because it's about my community and it makes them happy)
We have a shockingly poor allocation of bank holidays, that will be the government to blame there.
I think after times of great challenges and difficulties it wouldn’t hurt people to embrace a bit of happiness and a day off.
Whether people agree with the system or not we have a lady that has committed her life to service and it hurts absolutely nobody to acknowledge it. The conversation just sinks to name calling them as scroungers and paedos etc. Today is about the Queen, it’s an achievement which will go down in history.
I accept others points of view if they keep it civil but I don’t agree with some of the comments on here.
I respect her as much as I respect Elizabeth Smith from Oldham. I don't want her executed or treated badly or anything, I just find the institution absurd and offensive in this day and age.
If I could wave a wand I'd give the Queen ten times the state pension, Charles and his siblings five times (except Andrew, he can have double). As the law often equates the property of the government with the property of the Queen with the property of the government, make it the property of the government and use the proceeds to fund education and health.
Wealth is a whole other issue. I would rather not pay politicians for two homes, exorbitant expense claims and privilege for which they do very little. That money could be used for education and health. I would also prefer them not to lie but they were elected by the public so here we are.
The tax payer barely contributes towards the Royal family and they generate a massive income and provide many jobs. We are not alone in having a monarchy and I think it works well. On this one we disagree Swing, but that’s okay
It is ok that we disagree, and I'm debating, not slamming you as a person.
I'd also change the bullshit politicians get up to, my magic wand reforms are not exclusive to the monarchy. I'd probably make expenses much more limited and approved of only (and in line with industry). Ban second jobs, limit conflict of interest jobs for ten years, automatic dismissal for MPs found guilty of a crime (including paying penalty notices), independent and constitutionally protected election board and anti corruption watchdog.
But as this thread isn't about how I'd unfuck parliament, I hadn't addressed that.
Even if the royals return 500x on investment, I would abolish them. Because the idea that we should grovel to someone because their mother was inseminated by a particular penis is reprehensible.
Who's forcing you to "grovel" to the Queen?
No one. And I don't.
But the institution is offensive on its face.
(What do I do about it? On the one occasion I was vetted and invited to meet a member of royalty, I declined. As have members of my family)
The institution is not offensive, it's just offensive to you. Different things.
Ok, if you believe that it's not offensive that people get to prance around pretending to work, in unimaginable luxury, because they were born into a particular family, while children in this country go hungry... Then our values are not even in the same solar system.
Value is earned, not bestowed at birth. Except if you're in that particular family, because reasons.
Yeah, it's known as "inheritance" and it happens across society. When your parents kick or kicked the bucket, I'll bet a pound to a pinch of shit that you won't be donating any of it to starving children.
Charming.
I regularly donate to charity and am a longtime volunteer. My parents are alive, thank you for asking, and also give generously to charity.
Your bet would be incorrect.
But because I'm a regular person, my charity work is virtue signalling, while the royals are fawned over for the same thing. Funny how that works
My inheritance will come from my parents' work and investments (minus their charitable giving). The inheritance of the royals comes from the absurd idea that they were ordained by God to rule.
Lets not start a God debate..??"On what other basis does the monarchy claim legitimacy? I am speaking to historical facts, not the theology behind them. | |||
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"Yeah, it's known as "inheritance" and it happens across society. When your parents kick or kicked the bucket, I'll bet a pound to a pinch of shit that you won't be donating any of it to starving children. Bold of you to assume everyone else has an inheritance due. Waiting on a payday are we? Where I come from you work for what you get, you don't wait for your parents to die while you sit about leeching off their estate. If my parents had anything for us to inherit (and they don't) I'd be embarrassed to accept it and, yeh, I'd probably donate it to people in need." I expect I'll get an inheritance, but I recognise how fortunate I am and I'll use part of it to further my 30+ years of charitable giving, fundraising, and volunteering. (Yes, I'm 36) As my parents always have, as my grandparents did, and my great-great-grandparents did before them. Without expecting anything in return other than a thank you. | |||
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"Abolish. The royals are one of richest families around. They do not need anymore yet year on year they take millions from taxpayers money. Then cast mind back to Panama papers scandal where the Royal hid millions so as to avoid paying uk tax on it. No reason at all for all the palaces there is. Move all into Buckingham palace close or moth ball the rest. Now folk say they bring revenue to nation it was at its peak when Princess Di was alive. When folk say they serve nation well apart from odd bit of ribbon cutting. Now and this bit is the most crucial thing. The rise in amount of food banks is shameful. Folk are struggling like never before and money Royals take from taxpayers should never come above the poor. Never ever should this occur." this is exactly where I stand great post | |||
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"Was talking about this with my kids yesterday. And with how much she is worth and how much she has on assets etc. It does seem rather mental that they have so much and yet still get tax payers money when there are people who are struggling financially. I think I'd like to see a proper study on how much they cost us, how much tourism they bring in. How much would it fall if they were abolished. I mean I want to go to the palace of Versailles and France don't have a monarchy. If their main function is to be a tourist attraction and to be essentially the government's celebrity then more transparency is required I think. " It might be an idea to look into the full story of the funding. People only hear about the last part where the monarch receives the royal Grant or civil list. Look at how that money gets to the government in the first place. | |||
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"Loving all the against arguments these past few days . Cosplay, costing too much, all paedos, comparing the security of the queen to a bunch of twats sitting on the tarmac!
Carry on won’t you
Maybe, they will be goi g to work in protest or handing the bank holiday pay back I’m sure
But for those that are working (including those on parade), we appreciate it
As noted, I'm working today.
It is interesting that those who disagree with the monarchy are expected to stop talking, per other threads, and not have nice things, in a country with one of the least amount of bank holidays in Europe.
I don't want to deprive monarchists of anything. I just think that a monarchy in the 21st century is an offensive institution. You can have your pomp and circumstance - none of it has to go.
(Also, I'm volunteering at a jubilee party tomorrow, and biting my tongue, because it's about my community and it makes them happy)
We have a shockingly poor allocation of bank holidays, that will be the government to blame there.
I think after times of great challenges and difficulties it wouldn’t hurt people to embrace a bit of happiness and a day off.
Whether people agree with the system or not we have a lady that has committed her life to service and it hurts absolutely nobody to acknowledge it. The conversation just sinks to name calling them as scroungers and paedos etc. Today is about the Queen, it’s an achievement which will go down in history.
I accept others points of view if they keep it civil but I don’t agree with some of the comments on here.
I respect her as much as I respect Elizabeth Smith from Oldham. I don't want her executed or treated badly or anything, I just find the institution absurd and offensive in this day and age.
If I could wave a wand I'd give the Queen ten times the state pension, Charles and his siblings five times (except Andrew, he can have double). As the law often equates the property of the government with the property of the Queen with the property of the government, make it the property of the government and use the proceeds to fund education and health.
Wealth is a whole other issue. I would rather not pay politicians for two homes, exorbitant expense claims and privilege for which they do very little. That money could be used for education and health. I would also prefer them not to lie but they were elected by the public so here we are.
The tax payer barely contributes towards the Royal family and they generate a massive income and provide many jobs. We are not alone in having a monarchy and I think it works well. On this one we disagree Swing, but that’s okay
It is ok that we disagree, and I'm debating, not slamming you as a person.
I'd also change the bullshit politicians get up to, my magic wand reforms are not exclusive to the monarchy. I'd probably make expenses much more limited and approved of only (and in line with industry). Ban second jobs, limit conflict of interest jobs for ten years, automatic dismissal for MPs found guilty of a crime (including paying penalty notices), independent and constitutionally protected election board and anti corruption watchdog.
But as this thread isn't about how I'd unfuck parliament, I hadn't addressed that.
Even if the royals return 500x on investment, I would abolish them. Because the idea that we should grovel to someone because their mother was inseminated by a particular penis is reprehensible.
Who's forcing you to "grovel" to the Queen?
No one. And I don't.
But the institution is offensive on its face.
(What do I do about it? On the one occasion I was vetted and invited to meet a member of royalty, I declined. As have members of my family)
The institution is not offensive, it's just offensive to you. Different things.
Ok, if you believe that it's not offensive that people get to prance around pretending to work, in unimaginable luxury, because they were born into a particular family, while children in this country go hungry... Then our values are not even in the same solar system.
Value is earned, not bestowed at birth. Except if you're in that particular family, because reasons.
Yeah, it's known as "inheritance" and it happens across society. When your parents kick or kicked the bucket, I'll bet a pound to a pinch of shit that you won't be donating any of it to starving children."do the royals pay IHT? They've had privalage in the past. Least we can have a level playing field today ... | |||
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"Was talking about this with my kids yesterday. And with how much she is worth and how much she has on assets etc. It does seem rather mental that they have so much and yet still get tax payers money when there are people who are struggling financially. I think I'd like to see a proper study on how much they cost us, how much tourism they bring in. How much would it fall if they were abolished. I mean I want to go to the palace of Versailles and France don't have a monarchy. If their main function is to be a tourist attraction and to be essentially the government's celebrity then more transparency is required I think. It might be an idea to look into the full story of the funding. People only hear about the last part where the monarch receives the royal Grant or civil list. Look at how that money gets to the government in the first place. " Which is why I'd like more transparency on their value for money. The difference for example in revenue of say the tower of London, if we did or didn't have a monarchy. Maybe I don't fully understand the tax part of the monarchy, which a few have jumped on. But nobody can answer the main question of how much money do they actually bring in Vs if they were abolished. | |||
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"In answer to the last question, we pay a fortune every year as taxpayers to one of the richest families in the world, it's ridiculous. But on the question of whether we would bring in more or less money if we abolished the monarchy, you don't have to look too far. The French abolished their monarchy. They opened up the Royal Palaces. Buckingham Palace is something like the 50th most visited attraction in Britain. The Louvre is the number one visited attraction in the world. Hands down we'd bring in more money if we abolished them, took thr art collection into public hands and opened up all the palaces. No question." How much does the tax payer give them? Have you looked into where that money comes from in the first place? | |||
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"In answer to the last question, we pay a fortune every year as taxpayers to one of the richest families in the world, it's ridiculous. But on the question of whether we would bring in more or less money if we abolished the monarchy, you don't have to look too far. The French abolished their monarchy. They opened up the Royal Palaces. Buckingham Palace is something like the 50th most visited attraction in Britain. The Louvre is the number one visited attraction in the world. Hands down we'd bring in more money if we abolished them, took thr art collection into public hands and opened up all the palaces. No question. How much does the tax payer give them? Have you looked into where that money comes from in the first place?" £87.5m last year alone. From us, to them. The country is rife with food banks. More and more children in poverty. It's ludicrous. | |||
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"In answer to the last question, we pay a fortune every year as taxpayers to one of the richest families in the world, it's ridiculous. But on the question of whether we would bring in more or less money if we abolished the monarchy, you don't have to look too far. The French abolished their monarchy. They opened up the Royal Palaces. Buckingham Palace is something like the 50th most visited attraction in Britain. The Louvre is the number one visited attraction in the world. Hands down we'd bring in more money if we abolished them, took thr art collection into public hands and opened up all the palaces. No question. How much does the tax payer give them? Have you looked into where that money comes from in the first place? £87.5m last year alone. From us, to them. The country is rife with food banks. More and more children in poverty. It's ludicrous." No. The Royals main income is @25% of the total of the money from the Crown Estate. The other 75% goes to HM Treasury, ie, the country. | |||
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"In answer to the last question, we pay a fortune every year as taxpayers to one of the richest families in the world, it's ridiculous. But on the question of whether we would bring in more or less money if we abolished the monarchy, you don't have to look too far. The French abolished their monarchy. They opened up the Royal Palaces. Buckingham Palace is something like the 50th most visited attraction in Britain. The Louvre is the number one visited attraction in the world. Hands down we'd bring in more money if we abolished them, took thr art collection into public hands and opened up all the palaces. No question. How much does the tax payer give them? Have you looked into where that money comes from in the first place? £87.5m last year alone. From us, to them. The country is rife with food banks. More and more children in poverty. It's ludicrous." That's half the question answered but what about the other part of the question - where does the money come from in the first place. This is the part of the cycle that is not mentioned much | |||
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"£87.5m last year alone. From us, to them. The country is rife with food banks. More and more children in poverty. It's ludicrous. No. The Royals main income is @25% of the total of the money from the Crown Estate. The other 75% goes to HM Treasury, ie, the country. " The Crown Estate isn't hers though, so we're just giving her money for.. sentimental reasons? We don't need to abolish the monarchy to spend that money more meaningfully (but it might help). | |||
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"And where did they get this from? Centuries of theft, exploitation, oppression etc etc etc. Take it from them and we still make that money. We just don't hand loads of it over to parasites." How did any long standing institution of wealth gain it's assets? Would you prefer to divide up the assets of a nation per head of population, see how that works out? | |||
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"ffs the ignorance in here is unbelievable. Look up Crown Estate. Property owned by the monarch but run independently (since 1760). 2021 figures valued it at £15.2billion, net income was £269.3million, 25% of which goes to the Crown out of which they have to run the firm, the rest to the country. Never mind the other revenue they bring indirectly, in retail and hospitality and industry." You can't complain about ignorance while displaying ignorance it's not her private property, she has no right to it. It's owned by the state, as represented by the living monarch. The current settlement is just a political choice.
As for whether it would make money without the queen - well, it's just a property company, so it doesn't really matter at all what sort of government we have. It's not like people are renting land from crown estates because "it's the queen".
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"And where did they get this from? Centuries of theft, exploitation, oppression etc etc etc. Take it from them and we still make that money. We just don't hand loads of it over to parasites. How did any long standing institution of wealth gain it's assets? Would you prefer to divide up the assets of a nation per head of population, see how that works out?" Yes I would | |||
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"ffs the ignorance in here is unbelievable. Look up Crown Estate. Property owned by the monarch but run independently (since 1760). 2021 figures valued it at £15.2billion, net income was £269.3million, 25% of which goes to the Crown out of which they have to run the firm, the rest to the country. Never mind the other revenue they bring indirectly, in retail and hospitality and industry. You can't complain about ignorance while displaying ignorance it's not her private property, she has no right to it. It's owned by the state, as represented by the living monarch. The current settlement is just a political choice.
As for whether it would make money without the queen - well, it's just a property company, so it doesn't really matter at all what sort of government we have. It's not like people are renting land from crown estates because "it's the queen".
All this information is publicly available and just a Google away."Which is exactly why I said look it up.. | |||
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"And where did they get this from? Centuries of theft, exploitation, oppression etc etc etc. Take it from them and we still make that money. We just don't hand loads of it over to parasites. How did any long standing institution of wealth gain it's assets? Would you prefer to divide up the assets of a nation per head of population, see how that works out? Yes I would" And as the population increases, does that mean everyone has to continually give up part of their share so everyone is continually equal? How does that work as a nation, regardless of your form of government? | |||
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"ffs the ignorance in here is unbelievable. Look up Crown Estate. Property owned by the monarch but run independently (since 1760). 2021 figures valued it at £15.2billion, net income was £269.3million, 25% of which goes to the Crown out of which they have to run the firm, the rest to the country. Never mind the other revenue they bring indirectly, in retail and hospitality and industry. You can't complain about ignorance while displaying ignorance it's not her private property, she has no right to it. It's owned by the state, as represented by the living monarch. The current settlement is just a political choice.
As for whether it would make money without the queen - well, it's just a property company, so it doesn't really matter at all what sort of government we have. It's not like people are renting land from crown estates because "it's the queen".
All this information is publicly available and just a Google away.
Which is exactly why I said look it up.."I did, and you're talking out of your ass | |||
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"ffs the ignorance in here is unbelievable. Look up Crown Estate. Property owned by the monarch but run independently (since 1760). 2021 figures valued it at £15.2billion, net income was £269.3million, 25% of which goes to the Crown out of which they have to run the firm, the rest to the country. Never mind the other revenue they bring indirectly, in retail and hospitality and industry. You can't complain about ignorance while displaying ignorance it's not her private property, she has no right to it. It's owned by the state, as represented by the living monarch. The current settlement is just a political choice.
As for whether it would make money without the queen - well, it's just a property company, so it doesn't really matter at all what sort of government we have. It's not like people are renting land from crown estates because "it's the queen".
All this information is publicly available and just a Google away.
Which is exactly why I said look it up..
I did, and you're talking out of your ass "How so? | |||
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"From taxation." No but reading down the tread I see you now have the answer. Like it or not, think th st they should own it or not will not chase the facts. Incidentally the perceive is normally 15 % and will revert back to that in a few years time | |||
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"ffs the ignorance in here is unbelievable. Look up Crown Estate. Property owned by the monarch but run independently (since 1760). 2021 figures valued it at £15.2billion, net income was £269.3million, 25% of which goes to the Crown out of which they have to run the firm, the rest to the country. Never mind the other revenue they bring indirectly, in retail and hospitality and industry." Absolutely | |||
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"It's amazing the number of people who will happily submit to bootlicking obedience and subservience to royalty without even the use of force. Just programmed to it from birth by the media and those around them. You see images of the deification of leaders in places like North Korea and think, well yes, we have it here too. " It's not about obedience or subservience. The monarch cannot compel me or anyone else to do anything. It hasn't worked that way for about 300years! It's about a belief in a institution that represents our national identity, and goes beyond the individuals within it, some of whom we know are clearly absolute cocks. It is not without flaws, but it provides a constant for us, regardless of the political crap ebbing back and forth. Compare it with societies that have no benign monarchy. They basically end up as dictatorships (like North Korea) or polarised between two main political parties, like the US. | |||
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"The Queen should be the last." its an out of date institution, we need to look forward as a country not back. | |||
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"From taxation. No but reading down the tread I see you now have the answer. Like it or not, think th st they should own it or not will not chase the facts. Incidentally the perceive is normally 15 % and will revert back to that in a few years time" She doesn't fucking own any of it! The Queen has private property, and the crown estate doesn't form part of that. Jesus, it's like pulling teeth! | |||
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"ffs the ignorance in here is unbelievable. Look up Crown Estate. Property owned by the monarch but run independently (since 1760). 2021 figures valued it at £15.2billion, net income was £269.3million, 25% of which goes to the Crown out of which they have to run the firm, the rest to the country. Never mind the other revenue they bring indirectly, in retail and hospitality and industry." have to run the firm pmsl so they should the money they all have and your right they are a bastard firm like | |||
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"From taxation. No but reading down the tread I see you now have the answer. Like it or not, think th st they should own it or not will not chase the facts. Incidentally the perceive is normally 15 % and will revert back to that in a few years time She doesn't fucking own any of it! The Queen has private property, and the crown estate doesn't form part of that. Jesus, it's like pulling teeth!" The crown estate belongs to the reigning monarch. Currently our present queen. When she passes on then it goes to her successor. | |||
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"From taxation. No but reading down the tread I see you now have the answer. Like it or not, think th st they should own it or not will not chase the facts. Incidentally the perceive is normally 15 % and will revert back to that in a few years time She doesn't fucking own any of it! The Queen has private property, and the crown estate doesn't form part of that. Jesus, it's like pulling teeth! The crown estate belongs to the reigning monarch. Currently our present queen. When she passes on then it goes to her successor. " Like pulling teeth isn’t it | |||
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"God Save the Queen " Who is God and who are they saving the Queen from...? | |||
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"God Save the Queen Who is God and who are they saving the Queen from...?" All opinions respected | |||
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"It’s the godawful deference, subservience and idolising of them that just sticks in my craw! That and the fact that anyone with a right wing bent calls you a traitor for not being a lickspittle. Don’t get me wrong in that I think the Queen has been a paragon of virtue and hard work but some of the shit associated with the royal family is truly unpleasant. So no matter how good they are at turning a profit for the Crown Estate they still skew society in favour of the elites and perpetuate an antiquated vision of the not so United Kingdom that was used against Remainers by selfish Brexiteers! " well done for bringing brexit into I wondered how long it would take ffs | |||
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"The French got it right! Get sharpening the guillotine." Good Lord no  | |||
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"It’s the godawful deference, subservience and idolising of them that just sticks in my craw! That and the fact that anyone with a right wing bent calls you a traitor for not being a lickspittle. Don’t get me wrong in that I think the Queen has been a paragon of virtue and hard work but some of the shit associated with the royal family is truly unpleasant. So no matter how good they are at turning a profit for the Crown Estate they still skew society in favour of the elites and perpetuate an antiquated vision of the not so United Kingdom that was used against Remainers by selfish Brexiteers! well done for bringing brexit into I wondered how long it would take ffs" | |||
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