FabSwingers.com forum: Cycling Craziness

By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

A cycle group have adapted their pushbikes so that they attach cages to them that are the size and width of cars. Apparently they Intend to cycle around London to prove a point. Tom is not sure what that point is but it sounds like premeditated tomfoolery. The authorities need to get a grip of these free radicals.

This is all over the news

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By *hoirCouple
over a year ago

Clacton/Bury St. Edmunds

"Oh dear, I rear-ended you. Care to share insurance details?"

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

Slightly of subject but simlar does any one know what those sticks are called u atatch to back of bike that come out sideways the passing distance for cars? They fold in when not cycling? I keep looking on Internet but can't find them as don't know what they are called? X

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

66. In the highest code for cyclists

be considerate of the needs of other road users when riding in groups. You can ride two abreast and it can be safer to do so, particularly in larger groups or when accompanying children or less experienced riders. Be aware of drivers behind you and allow them to overtake (for example, by moving into single file or stopping) when you feel it is safe to let them do so

I feel by intentionally taking up more room than is needed they will be breaking the Highway Code by not allowing other drivers and cyclists to safely overtake when they can.

Best of luck to them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I get it is to prove a point but it just seems unnecessary and petty.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hopefully they will be going as fast as cars and not cycling in massive groups 2 or 3 across at 10fuckingmph.

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By *heRazorsEdgeMan
over a year ago

Wales/ All over UK

"66. In the highest code for cyclists

I feel by intentionally taking up more room than is needed they will be breaking the Highway Code by not allowing other drivers and cyclists to safely overtake when they can.

Best of luck to them "

To safely overtake a cyclist you should cross over into the other carriageway completely as if you were passing a car anyway.

If there isn’t the room to do this then it’s not safe to overtake

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"66. In the highest code for cyclists

I feel by intentionally taking up more room than is needed they will be breaking the Highway Code by not allowing other drivers and cyclists to safely overtake when they can.

Best of luck to them

To safely overtake a cyclist you should cross over into the other carriageway completely as if you were passing a car anyway.

If there isn’t the room to do this then it’s not safe to overtake"

Absoulutley this but unfortunately not alot do! Funnily enough lorries tend to and buses x

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By *heRazorsEdgeMan
over a year ago

Wales/ All over UK

"66. In the highest code for cyclists

I feel by intentionally taking up more room than is needed they will be breaking the Highway Code by not allowing other drivers and cyclists to safely overtake when they can.

Best of luck to them "

From the Highway Code section 163

“give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders and horse drawn vehicles at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car (see Rules 211 to 215).”

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"66. In the highest code for cyclists

I feel by intentionally taking up more room than is needed they will be breaking the Highway Code by not allowing other drivers and cyclists to safely overtake when they can.

Best of luck to them

From the Highway Code section 163

“give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders and horse drawn vehicles at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car (see Rules 211 to 215).”"

Does that not mean as much space between you and the cyclist as you would if it was a car?

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

"66. In the highest code for cyclists

I feel by intentionally taking up more room than is needed they will be breaking the Highway Code by not allowing other drivers and cyclists to safely overtake when they can.

Best of luck to them

From the Highway Code section 163

“give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders and horse drawn vehicles at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car (see Rules 211 to 215).”"

Interesting, well maybe they are in the right to do this

Best of luck to them either way. Nothing sounds smarter than trying to piss off people in a motorised metal box while your on a bike. I hope they have helmets and appropriate road wear

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By *heRazorsEdgeMan
over a year ago

Wales/ All over UK

"66. In the highest code for cyclists

I feel by intentionally taking up more room than is needed they will be breaking the Highway Code by not allowing other drivers and cyclists to safely overtake when they can.

Best of luck to them

From the Highway Code section 163

“give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders and horse drawn vehicles at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car (see Rules 211 to 215).”

Does that not mean as much space between you and the cyclist as you would if it was a car? "

No, I’m the next bullet point it mentions at least 1.5 meters at up to 30 mph, and further if travelling faster

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

What the fuck is everyone's beef with cyclist's.

For every bike on the road that's one less car on the road.

Would you go out of your way to be so aggressive towards car or lorry driver's?

What about motorbikes who hardly ever adhere to the speed limit,ride at high speed down the centre of traffic,weave in and out on motorways??

No why not, cyclist's are a soft target.

Litterly

I repeat what I have said before unless you have spent any time on a bike on today's road you should zip it as you have zero idea how dangerous it is and how badly you are treated.

Also I have lost two friends to bad drivers and know many more who have been seriously injured by bad drivers including my son who was nearly killed.

There's far more bad dangerous driver's on the road and that's a fact.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I haven't been to London in many years, but isn't the average road speed usually less than that of a bicycle?

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By *heRazorsEdgeMan
over a year ago

Wales/ All over UK

"What the fuck is everyone's beef with cyclist's.

For every bike on the road that's one less car on the road.

Would you go out of your way to be so aggressive towards car or lorry driver's?

What about motorbikes who hardly ever adhere to the speed limit,ride at high speed down the centre of traffic,weave in and out on motorways??

No why not, cyclist's are a soft target.

Litterly

I repeat what I have said before unless you have spent any time on a bike on today's road you should zip it as you have zero idea how dangerous it is and how badly you are treated.

Also I have lost two friends to bad drivers and know many more who have been seriously injured by bad drivers including my son who was nearly killed.

There's far more bad dangerous driver's on the road and that's a fact."

This

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By *heRazorsEdgeMan
over a year ago

Wales/ All over UK

"66. In the highest code for cyclists

I feel by intentionally taking up more room than is needed they will be breaking the Highway Code by not allowing other drivers and cyclists to safely overtake when they can.

Best of luck to them

From the Highway Code section 163

“give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders and horse drawn vehicles at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car (see Rules 211 to 215).”

Interesting, well maybe they are in the right to do this

Best of luck to them either way. Nothing sounds smarter than trying to piss off people in a motorised metal box while your on a bike. I hope they have helmets and appropriate road wear "

If car drivers are getting pissed off to the point of aggression for having to obey the Highway Code, then they shouldn’t be on the road

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"66. In the highest code for cyclists

I feel by intentionally taking up more room than is needed they will be breaking the Highway Code by not allowing other drivers and cyclists to safely overtake when they can.

Best of luck to them

From the Highway Code section 163

“give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders and horse drawn vehicles at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car (see Rules 211 to 215).”

Does that not mean as much space between you and the cyclist as you would if it was a car?

No, I’m the next bullet point it mentions at least 1.5 meters at up to 30 mph, and further if travelling faster"

How much space are you supposed to leave when overtaking a car?

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

"66. In the highest code for cyclists

I feel by intentionally taking up more room than is needed they will be breaking the Highway Code by not allowing other drivers and cyclists to safely overtake when they can.

Best of luck to them

To safely overtake a cyclist you should cross over into the other carriageway completely as if you were passing a car anyway.

If there isn’t the room to do this then it’s not safe to overtake"

Shame those same rules don't apply to the cyclists.

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By *urious couple22Couple
over a year ago

Derby

To be fair if there the same size as a car they won't be able to filter undertake you at the lights they will find it more difficult to go through red lights and ride on and off the road. They will just ride slower infront of you and maybe wobble all over the road but they do that anyways..

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By *ny1localMan
over a year ago

READING

So many cyclists seem to think the highway code doesn't apply to them, when was the last time anyone saw a cyclist stop at a red traffic light?

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

"66. In the highest code for cyclists

I feel by intentionally taking up more room than is needed they will be breaking the Highway Code by not allowing other drivers and cyclists to safely overtake when they can.

Best of luck to them

From the Highway Code section 163

“give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders and horse drawn vehicles at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car (see Rules 211 to 215).”

Interesting, well maybe they are in the right to do this

Best of luck to them either way. Nothing sounds smarter than trying to piss off people in a motorised metal box while your on a bike. I hope they have helmets and appropriate road wear

If car drivers are getting pissed off to the point of aggression for having to obey the Highway Code, then they shouldn’t be on the road"

Agreed, and I’m sure every cyclist that’s been smooshed but a car they’ve intentionally tried to antagonise would say the same thing if they weren’t breathing through a tube.

I use to road cycle a lot. And I realised very early on that me being “right” was less important than me being alive. So I did my best to not piss off drives, because as a cyclist even if you win morally, you lost physically by being under someone’s tyres

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By *ackandtheunicornCouple
over a year ago

liverpool

I get their point as both a cyclist and driver but I don't think it will accomplish anything.

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By *heRazorsEdgeMan
over a year ago

Wales/ All over UK

"66. In the highest code for cyclists

I feel by intentionally taking up more room than is needed they will be breaking the Highway Code by not allowing other drivers and cyclists to safely overtake when they can.

Best of luck to them

From the Highway Code section 163

“give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders and horse drawn vehicles at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car (see Rules 211 to 215).”

Does that not mean as much space between you and the cyclist as you would if it was a car?

No, I’m the next bullet point it mentions at least 1.5 meters at up to 30 mph, and further if travelling faster

How much space are you supposed to leave when overtaking a car?"

It doesn’t say, but I’d suggest you wouldn’t want to be much closer than 1 - 1.5m anyway.

For reference, standard minimum Lane width on a U.K. road is 3m (2.5m minimum if just for car use)

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By *heRazorsEdgeMan
over a year ago

Wales/ All over UK

"So many cyclists seem to think the highway code doesn't apply to them, when was the last time anyone saw a cyclist stop at a red traffic light? "

This morning, on my drive home from work at 7am

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By *ilfCrumpet9Man
over a year ago

Wirral

The highway code should also stop cyclists and bikes from swerving in and around cars to get to the front especially bikes on motorways in long queues of moving traffic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"66. In the highest code for cyclists

I feel by intentionally taking up more room than is needed they will be breaking the Highway Code by not allowing other drivers and cyclists to safely overtake when they can.

Best of luck to them

From the Highway Code section 163

“give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders and horse drawn vehicles at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car (see Rules 211 to 215).”

Does that not mean as much space between you and the cyclist as you would if it was a car?

No, I’m the next bullet point it mentions at least 1.5 meters at up to 30 mph, and further if travelling faster

How much space are you supposed to leave when overtaking a car?

It doesn’t say, but I’d suggest you wouldn’t want to be much closer than 1 - 1.5m anyway.

For reference, standard minimum Lane width on a U.K. road is 3m (2.5m minimum if just for car use)"

That’s what I was thinking. Most cyclist stay to the left so overtaking isn’t usually a problem.

Making the bike wider just seems unnecessarily antagonistic.

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"66. In the highest code for cyclists

I feel by intentionally taking up more room than is needed they will be breaking the Highway Code by not allowing other drivers and cyclists to safely overtake when they can.

Best of luck to them

From the Highway Code section 163

“give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders and horse drawn vehicles at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car (see Rules 211 to 215).”

Does that not mean as much space between you and the cyclist as you would if it was a car?

No, I’m the next bullet point it mentions at least 1.5 meters at up to 30 mph, and further if travelling faster

How much space are you supposed to leave when overtaking a car?

It doesn’t say, but I’d suggest you wouldn’t want to be much closer than 1 - 1.5m anyway.

For reference, standard minimum Lane width on a U.K. road is 3m (2.5m minimum if just for car use)

That’s what I was thinking. Most cyclist stay to the left so overtaking isn’t usually a problem.

Making the bike wider just seems unnecessarily antagonistic."
and there in lies the rub most cyclist are fine and easy to drive with its just the activist lycra louts that are the problem want us to give tham a nice wide birth when overtaking them but when im sat at the lights indicating left in my truck there they are squeezing into the 12 inch gap between me and the railings and sitting in my blindspot .lights go green and there they are shouting and banging on the side of the truck cos they have put themselves in danger

cant have it both ways but thats what they want its a two way street respect goes both ways .

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By *a LunaWoman
over a year ago

South Wales

They didn’t look very safe. I fear some wobble issues may cause accidents.

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By *amelhunterMan
over a year ago

newcastle

"A cycle group have adapted their pushbikes so that they attach cages to them that are the size and width of cars. Apparently they Intend to cycle around London to prove a point. Tom is not sure what that point is but it sounds like premeditated tomfoolery. The authorities need to get a grip of these free radicals.

This is all over the news "

to ensure any motor vehicle overtaking them does so at the legal distance. too many drivers assume said distance is way closer than it actually is

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By *ryandseeMan
over a year ago

Yorkshire

As in any situation, there are morons in both camps. No need to try and outdo one another especially as there are so many people who drive and aldo ride cycles. Common sense, patience and respect for one another as well as the highway code is all that is needed and perhaps realy low levels of testosterone too

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

Let’s face it, if there were as many good drivers on the roads as good cyclists, there wouldn’t be any accidents.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"So many cyclists seem to think the highway code doesn't apply to them, when was the last time anyone saw a cyclist stop at a red traffic light? "

Same applies to alot of drivers to! And I allways stop at red lights BTW! X

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Pictures of this contraption is all over the news... This must be stopped..

It's cycle madness

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

"So many cyclists seem to think the highway code doesn't apply to them, when was the last time anyone saw a cyclist stop at a red traffic light?

Same applies to alot of drivers to! And I allways stop at red lights BTW! X"

If there is nothing to worry about at a red light, no danger to me or others then I pedal on. What is the point of stopping ? I am not a number, I am a free man!

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

This is all over the news "

You just love stirring the shit don't you Tom?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So many cyclists seem to think the highway code doesn't apply to them, when was the last time anyone saw a cyclist stop at a red traffic light?

Same applies to alot of drivers to! And I allways stop at red lights BTW! X

If there is nothing to worry about at a red light, no danger to me or others then I pedal on. What is the point of stopping ? I am not a number, I am a free man! "

If there is nobody there when I walk in a shop should I just take what I want? What is the point in paying? I am not a number. I am a free man.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"So many cyclists seem to think the highway code doesn't apply to them, when was the last time anyone saw a cyclist stop at a red traffic light?

Same applies to alot of drivers to! And I allways stop at red lights BTW! X

If there is nothing to worry about at a red light, no danger to me or others then I pedal on. What is the point of stopping ? I am not a number, I am a free man! "

Yes, that's how rules work. Don't fancy paying in the shop? Just steal it! Don't like your neighbour? Just bump them off. You're a free man, after all

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By *ryandseeMan
over a year ago

Yorkshire

This is all over the news

You just love stirring the shit don't you Tom?"

You don't say

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By *lynJMan
over a year ago

Morden

"Pictures of this contraption is all over the news... This must be stopped..

It's cycle madness"

Is it all over the mews?

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol

All road users should be identifiable with a registration either on a plate or a high viz jacket

That way the cyclist who seem to think it’s their right to go through red lights or up on the pavement can be seen and identified and fined

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"To be fair if there the same size as a car they won't be able to filter undertake you at the lights they will find it more difficult to go through red lights and ride on and off the road. They will just ride slower infront of you and maybe wobble all over the road but they do that anyways.. "

Be interesting when they do that.. Jump up on the pavement and then back down on the road maneuver... Or undertaking at the road junctions.. I think it's a long overdue experiment.

Next we just need highways and markings and signposts that actually allow people to observe the highway code... And update it to give those fuckers who zip around on skateboards and escooters some guidance.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"So many cyclists seem to think the highway code doesn't apply to them, when was the last time anyone saw a cyclist stop at a red traffic light?

Same applies to alot of drivers to! And I allways stop at red lights BTW! X

If there is nothing to worry about at a red light, no danger to me or others then I pedal on. What is the point of stopping ? I am not a number, I am a free man! "

That's the way red traffic lights work right? They are optional...or are they?

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By *andybeachWoman
over a year ago

In the middle

I cycle and I drive and honestly I shake my head at the doming of people who just can’t wait 20 seconds to get past safely, these threads are just stirring it up because the snakes and crocodiles are behaving themselves lately

Just have a care all of you that use the road ways whatever you are riding or driving, stop acting like you’re the only ones that matter for fucks sake!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ah. A cyclist bashing thread. I love cycling and I love driving and I manage to get on with both groups of people wether I’m on my bike or in my car.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"So many cyclists seem to think the highway code doesn't apply to them, when was the last time anyone saw a cyclist stop at a red traffic light? "

Much more car drivers jump red lights than cyclists. Happens at every set of lights these days. People seem to think red means go.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"So many cyclists seem to think the highway code doesn't apply to them, when was the last time anyone saw a cyclist stop at a red traffic light?

Same applies to alot of drivers to! And I allways stop at red lights BTW! X

If there is nothing to worry about at a red light, no danger to me or others then I pedal on. What is the point of stopping ? I am not a number, I am a free man! "

Because its the law of the road? Doh! No wonder cyclists get a bad name! X

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

"So many cyclists seem to think the highway code doesn't apply to them, when was the last time anyone saw a cyclist stop at a red traffic light?

Same applies to a lot of drivers to! And I allways stop at red lights BTW! X

If there is nothing to worry about at a red light, no danger to me or others then I pedal on. What is the point of stopping ? I am not a number, I am a free man!

That's the way red traffic lights work right? They are optional...or are they? "

Optional for me. Where is the harm?

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By *KloganMan
over a year ago

Ramsbottom

As a road cyclist I can see both sides of the argument, yes the cycling gets pretty hairy at times but I also get miffed when I see fellow cyclists jumping red lights.. especially at a pedestrian crossing..

As with anything, being considerate to fellow humans always works best.. no need to squeeze down the side of a lorry turning left, just hang back and look forward to getting home safely..

Everyone has a right to be safe.. it’s also everyone’s right to be annoyed if someone is doing something daft. We’re all going somewhere.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

It's about some guy riding around London on a bicycle but with a massive cage around the bicycle.. what's going on here guys ?

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By *lynJMan
over a year ago

Morden

"It's about some guy riding around London on a bicycle but with a massive cage around the bicycle.. what's going on here guys ?"

So now it's only one guy. In the original post, you said group.

What's going on here guys?

It's all over the thread.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The problem isn't either the driver or the cyclist. It is the infrastructure! In this modern world bikes and cars should not be on the same highway. Simply put it's too dangerous!

When the two need to mix, the most damaging entity needs to give way!! It's really that simple.

Europe and especially Holland has made huge inroads to this concept and guess what? People cycle everywhere there - embarrassingly as a 30 year old fit man I got overtaken by a 90 year old woman on her way to the shops FFS

We need to radically rethink our infrastructure and start to enable non vehicular transportation systems as the current model isn't working well

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

"So many cyclists seem to think the highway code doesn't apply to them, when was the last time anyone saw a cyclist stop at a red traffic light? "

Today, I stopped at a red light when out on the bike.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

Cyclists wearing frames shaped like cars are taking to the streets of London to demonstrate that vehicles are “hogging” roads.

This is the idea behind it, it highlights that if cars were swapped for bikes it would free up space on the roads and relieve congestion.

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"Cyclists wearing frames shaped like cars are taking to the streets of London to demonstrate that vehicles are “hogging” roads.

This is the idea behind it, it highlights that if cars were swapped for bikes it would free up space on the roads and relieve congestion. "
wonder what will happen if said frame damages another vehicle hope they are suitably insured

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is all over the news

You just love stirring the shit don't you Tom?"

We all have a purpose in life..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't have issues with most cyclists. Been one myself. Here in Glasgow, the council has been spending tons of money converting main roads outside the city centre to have bike lanes.

But there seems to have been no research done where they were needed. So you have some like one near me, ive only seen one cyclist on it in the 4 years since it was built.

So this nice boulevard road 2 lanes in each direction now converted to a full 1 lane each direction which is hardly used. Also add to that they built those bus stops that jut out, so you have to wait behind the buses stopping there. Then there are the cyclists who despite there being cycle lanes continue to not use them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As a road cyclist I can see both sides of the argument, yes the cycling gets pretty hairy at times but I also get miffed when I see fellow cyclists jumping red lights.. especially at a pedestrian crossing..

As with anything, being considerate to fellow humans always works best.. no need to squeeze down the side of a lorry turning left, just hang back and look forward to getting home safely..

Everyone has a right to be safe.. it’s also everyone’s right to be annoyed if someone is doing something daft. We’re all going somewhere.

Couldn’t agree more. I ride defensively but considerately when I’m out on my bike. When I’m in my car I give space to cyclists. In fact there’s only two categories of road users that I don’t have time for. Bus drivers and taxi drivers.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

As with anything, being considerate to fellow humans always works best.. no need to squeeze down the side of a lorry turning left, just hang back and look forward to getting home safely..

Everyone has a right to be safe.. it’s also everyone’s right to be annoyed if someone is doing something daft. We’re all going somewhere.

Bus drivers round here are very respectful of cyclists I find x

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

I preferred it when they stuck to the pavement there a bloody nuisance

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Tom is not sure what that point is"

This pretty much every thread you start right?

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
over a year ago

Gilfach

"The highway code should also stop cyclists and bikes from swerving in and around cars to get to the front especially bikes on motorways in long queues of moving traffic "

The Highway Code explicitly states that motorcyclists are allowed to filter to the front in slow moving traffic (rule 88).

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

As with anything, being considerate to fellow humans always works best.. no need to squeeze down the side of a lorry turning left, just hang back and look forward to getting home safely..

Everyone has a right to be safe.. it’s also everyone’s right to be annoyed if someone is doing something daft. We’re all going somewhere.

What's wrong with bus drivers?.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"I preferred it when they stuck to the pavement there a bloody nuisance "

Never ride on pavement! And cars are a bloody nuisance! X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Tom is not sure what that point is

This pretty much every thread you start right?"

Unfortunately Tom is easily confused

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"I preferred it when they stuck to the pavement there a bloody nuisance

Never ride on pavement! And cars are a bloody nuisance! X"
but the road tax car drivers is ok then lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I preferred it when they stuck to the pavement there a bloody nuisance

Never ride on pavement! And cars are a bloody nuisance! X but the road tax car drivers is ok then lol"

There is no such thing as ‘road tax’

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"I preferred it when they stuck to the pavement there a bloody nuisance

Never ride on pavement! And cars are a bloody nuisance! X but the road tax car drivers is ok then lol

There is no such thing as ‘road tax’ "
aw well done bugger lugs lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I preferred it when they stuck to the pavement there a bloody nuisance

Never ride on pavement! And cars are a bloody nuisance! X but the road tax car drivers is ok then lol

There is no such thing as ‘road tax’ aw well done bugger lugs lol"

Glad to help

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

Huge help where would I be without ya

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"I preferred it when they stuck to the pavement there a bloody nuisance

Never ride on pavement! And cars are a bloody nuisance! X but the road tax car drivers is ok then lol"

As someone said no such thing! We all pay to use the roads! All it needs is respect from all road users! X

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By *uddy laneMan
over a year ago

dudley

When are they going to get booked for undercutting other road users.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"When are they going to get booked for undercutting other road users."

I know right? Bloody cars! X

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"I preferred it when they stuck to the pavement there a bloody nuisance

Never ride on pavement! And cars are a bloody nuisance! X but the road tax car drivers is ok then lol

As someone said no such thing! We all pay to use the roads! All it needs is respect from all road users! X"
we pay car tax do you pay cycle tax no you don’t

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By *enny PR9TV/TS
over a year ago

Southport

"I preferred it when they stuck to the pavement there a bloody nuisance

Never ride on pavement! And cars are a bloody nuisance! X but the road tax car drivers is ok then lol

As someone said no such thing! We all pay to use the roads! All it needs is respect from all road users! X we pay car tax do you pay cycle tax no you don’t "

I pay all the cycle tax that is demanded of me.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"I preferred it when they stuck to the pavement there a bloody nuisance

Never ride on pavement! And cars are a bloody nuisance! X but the road tax car drivers is ok then lol

As someone said no such thing! We all pay to use the roads! All it needs is respect from all road users! X we pay car tax do you pay cycle tax no you don’t

I pay all the cycle tax that is demanded of me."
so nothing then we’ll done you

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By *enny PR9TV/TS
over a year ago

Southport

"I preferred it when they stuck to the pavement there a bloody nuisance

Never ride on pavement! And cars are a bloody nuisance! X but the road tax car drivers is ok then lol

As someone said no such thing! We all pay to use the roads! All it needs is respect from all road users! X we pay car tax do you pay cycle tax no you don’t

I pay all the cycle tax that is demanded of me.so nothing then we’ll done you "

I knew you'd see it my way.

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

This is all over the news "

If they make their bikes as wide as a car will this nite slow them down to the same pace as a car through London

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"I preferred it when they stuck to the pavement there a bloody nuisance

Never ride on pavement! And cars are a bloody nuisance! X but the road tax car drivers is ok then lol

As someone said no such thing! We all pay to use the roads! All it needs is respect from all road users! X we pay car tax do you pay cycle tax no you don’t "

Um nope u don't no such thing!

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"I preferred it when they stuck to the pavement there a bloody nuisance

Never ride on pavement! And cars are a bloody nuisance! X but the road tax car drivers is ok then lol

As someone said no such thing! We all pay to use the roads! All it needs is respect from all road users! X we pay car tax do you pay cycle tax no you don’t

Um nope u don't no such thing!"
we’ll get on pavements then like used to in 70/80s lol

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"I preferred it when they stuck to the pavement there a bloody nuisance

Never ride on pavement! And cars are a bloody nuisance! X but the road tax car drivers is ok then lol

As someone said no such thing! We all pay to use the roads! All it needs is respect from all road users! X we pay car tax do you pay cycle tax no you don’t

Um nope u don't no such thing!we’ll get on pavements then like used to in 70/80s lol"

Nope I never did! And as I say pay some as u! X

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

In the 70/80s I don’t think I ever rode a bike on a road lol

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By *uddy laneMan
over a year ago

dudley

The safest place is the pavement for children to learn to ride a bike not the horse road, I remember the day my stabiliser came off my budgie.

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By *TMA that man againMan
over a year ago

worester

"Hopefully they will be going as fast as cars and not cycling in massive groups 2 or 3 across at 10fuckingmph. "

In London! Surely you mean you hope they slow down to the speed of cars? The average speed for horse drawn in Victorian london was faster than it is for cars now!!

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By *ackandtheunicornCouple
over a year ago

liverpool

"I preferred it when they stuck to the pavement there a bloody nuisance

Never ride on pavement! And cars are a bloody nuisance! X but the road tax car drivers is ok then lol

As someone said no such thing! We all pay to use the roads! All it needs is respect from all road users! X we pay car tax do you pay cycle tax no you don’t "

You don't pay car tax. There's no such thing. You pay VED which is a tax on emissions and has nothing to do with the roads, which is why a large proportion of cars pay no tax.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is all over the news "

Do you drive in London regularly? Does it make a difference to you? When are the problems of London become an Essex problem? When did the county of Essex become a London Borough?

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By *lynJMan
over a year ago

Morden

This is all over the news

Do you drive in London regularly? Does it make a difference to you? When are the problems of London become an Essex problem? When did the county of Essex become a London Borough? "

Parts of Essex are London boroughs too. Similarly, parts of Surrey and Kent fall under the London Assembly.

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By *itzi999Woman
over a year ago

Slough

Vast amounts of London have cycle lanes (either painted or have lanes with barriers) already - namely because there were so many accidents.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"I preferred it when they stuck to the pavement there a bloody nuisance

Never ride on pavement! And cars are a bloody nuisance! X but the road tax car drivers is ok then lol

As someone said no such thing! We all pay to use the roads! All it needs is respect from all road users! X we pay car tax do you pay cycle tax no you don’t

You don't pay car tax. There's no such thing. You pay VED which is a tax on emissions and has nothing to do with the roads, which is why a large proportion of cars pay no tax. "

https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-tax

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
over a year ago

Gilfach

"You don't pay car tax. There's no such thing. You pay VED which is a tax on emissions and has nothing to do with the roads, which is why a large proportion of cars pay no tax. "

Way back in history, road users used to pay Road Fund tax. This was indeed a tax that was used to improve roads. That stopped in 1937 when Vehicle Excise Duty was introduced. The money from VED went straight into central funds. At various points governments have said that they are going to hypothecate VED (i.e. ringfence it all for roads), but it's never been done.

In 2001 the level of VED was changed to reflect the vehicles emissions. This wasn't to raise money for green measures, it was just to encourage people to move to less polluting cars. The money still went to central funds.

So, yes you do pay "car tax", it's the common name for VED. Even the government uses the phrase "car tax" on official sites (https://www.gov.uk/update-company-car-details), and car tax is not a tax on emissions, it's just a general tax.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You don't pay car tax. There's no such thing. You pay VED which is a tax on emissions and has nothing to do with the roads, which is why a large proportion of cars pay no tax.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
over a year ago

Gilfach

"being that person ... Your link is for "company car tax". Don't think that's the same thing..."

You mean an accurate and correct person? That's the best type in my opinion.

How about https://www.gov.uk/financial-help-disabled/vehicles-and-transport

Oh, but that only applies if you're disabled. In that case try the current vehicle tax rate guidance - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/rates-of-vehicle-tax-v149

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"being that person ... Your link is for "company car tax". Don't think that's the same thing...

You mean an accurate and correct person? That's the best type in my opinion.

How about https://www.gov.uk/financial-help-disabled/vehicles-and-transport

Oh, but that only applies if you're disabled. In that case try the current vehicle tax rate guidance - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/rates-of-vehicle-tax-v149

Or this one..

https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-tax

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

Every cycling post eventually gets around to ‘road tax’, and someone then always point out its not road tax it’s VED. Can we not accept that ‘road tax’ is just a common term and we all know what it means?

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
over a year ago

Gilfach

"Or this one..

https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-tax"

I don't see the words "car tax" on that page.

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By *ustintime69Man
over a year ago

Bristol

I have two vehicles that I pay road tax and local residents and citywide permits for. I also cycle daily for exercise and in the past 18 months I have been cut up by non indicating drivers (most of this has been at traffic lights) on more than a dozen occasions, been forced off the road by a vehicle driving on the wrong side of the road because they thought it was one way, and only yesterday a bloke pulled out onto a roundabout just in front of me because he was blissfully unaware that I was going around the roundabout. I probably cycle about 150 miles a week and it pisses me off mightily that drivers pay so little attention to sharing the road with other users but I expect no better with our car culture.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Every cycling post eventually gets around to ‘road tax’, and someone then always point out its not road tax it’s VED. Can we not accept that ‘road tax’ is just a common term and we all know what it means? "

I think we know what it means.

It doesn't give car drivers extra rights over cyclists. Or mean cyclists should kiss your driving gloves for paying for the roads they cycle on.

Tho if contribution to tax does give you extra road rights, maybe that explains BMW drivers ....

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Am I right in thinking that if everybody was driving an electric car that absolutely no body would be paying any sort of tax associated with that vehicle or the roads.. ?

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

"Am I right in thinking that if everybody was driving an electric car that absolutely no body would be paying any sort of tax associated with that vehicle or the roads.. ?"

They will bring in a charge per mile.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
over a year ago

Gilfach

"Am I right in thinking that if everybody was driving an electric car that absolutely no body would be paying any sort of tax associated with that vehicle or the roads.. ?"

I doubt it. The change to rates of VED based on emissions was to encourage people to move away from polluting vehicles. Once that move has been made I expect that they'll put VED back to being a flat charge again.

Of course, roads are built and maintained with central funds, so your income tax can be considered as paying for the roads.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Am I right in thinking that if everybody was driving an electric car that absolutely no body would be paying any sort of tax associated with that vehicle"

Believe so, as it stands.

" or the roads.. ?"

There isn't today. It all goes into a central tax pot and then money for roads is taken from that pot.

At least based on the above.

So could raise taxes elsewhere. Or find a way of taxing electric cars.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is all over the news

Do you drive in London regularly? Does it make a difference to you? When are the problems of London become an Essex problem? When did the county of Essex become a London Borough?

Parts of Essex are London boroughs too. Similarly, parts of Surrey and Kent fall under the London Assembly."

Like you said Parts only, not the whole county, last time I checked Chelmsford isn’t part of the 32 boroughs plus the city of London . So again why is it an Essex problem for? Typical Essex, thinks it can dictate opinions on other parts of the country, just like it’s dumbass MP’s.

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By *lynJMan
over a year ago

Morden

This is all over the news

Do you drive in London regularly? Does it make a difference to you? When are the problems of London become an Essex problem? When did the county of Essex become a London Borough?

Parts of Essex are London boroughs too. Similarly, parts of Surrey and Kent fall under the London Assembly.

Similarly, why are you, who lives in Gloucestershire, worried about Tom's interest in the article? Tom might commute into London for work. Who knows or cares.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

This is all over the news

Do you drive in London regularly? Does it make a difference to you? When are the problems of London become an Essex problem? When did the county of Essex become a London Borough?

Parts of Essex are London boroughs too. Similarly, parts of Surrey and Kent fall under the London Assembly.

Similarly, why are you, who lives in Gloucestershire, worried about Tom's interest in the article? Tom might commute into London for work. Who knows or cares."

Long Live Tom.. Thank You Peoples

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is all over the news

Do you drive in London regularly? Does it make a difference to you? When are the problems of London become an Essex problem? When did the county of Essex become a London Borough?

Parts of Essex are London boroughs too. Similarly, parts of Surrey and Kent fall under the London Assembly.

Similarly, why are you, who lives in Gloucestershire, worried about Tom's interest in the article? Tom might commute into London for work. Who knows or cares.

Long Live Tom.. Thank You Peoples"

Person Tommy, person…

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is all over the news

Do you drive in London regularly? Does it make a difference to you? When are the problems of London become an Essex problem? When did the county of Essex become a London Borough?

Parts of Essex are London boroughs too. Similarly, parts of Surrey and Kent fall under the London Assembly.

Similarly, why are you, who lives in Gloucestershire, worried about Tom's interest in the article? Tom might commute into London for work. Who knows or cares."

Its always odd when the majority of the Russian Bots tend to use profiles of men in their 60’s or above?, very odd isn’t it. I think Putin thinks it’s a good tactic, target an already angry demographic and get them to do his bidding, very sneaky indeed.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

"I preferred it when they stuck to the pavement there a bloody nuisance

Never ride on pavement! And cars are a bloody nuisance! X but the road tax car drivers is ok then lol

As someone said no such thing! We all pay to use the roads! All it needs is respect from all road users! X we pay car tax do you pay cycle tax no you don’t "

Actually, you pay to poison the atmosphere. The tax you pax on the emissions that come out of your exhaust.

If you get the hump at cyvlists not paying vehicle excise duty, don't look into electric cars not pay it

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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners

The way the law and Highway Code are framed is that pedestrians, horse rides and cyclists use the public highway (with the exception of motorways) by right.

Whilst users of motorised vehicles can only use it by license. Which can be withdrawn or revoked at any point.

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