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"I'd like to see the government stop with these pointless attempts to distract from their behaviour and try to recoup some votes and start thinking more logically. They promised in their manifesto to remove VAT on fuel. So do that. They could cut duty of fuel. Instead of a windfall tax which will cut company profits a little in the short term, instead just make them reduce the standing charge back to pre-increase levels. All those actions would mean they wouldn't have to borrow money and would impact budgeting less as increases in prices recently will have already meant higher tax and duty income. But hey. Sensible policies from this lot is an unrealistic expectation. I do like your idea OP. But logistically I think it would be difficult to ensure the money reaches those most in need. A" Where are the clapping hand emojis when you need them? Mrs TMN x | |||
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"I'd like to see the government stop with these pointless attempts to distract from their behaviour and try to recoup some votes and start thinking more logically. They promised in their manifesto to remove VAT on fuel. So do that. They could cut duty of fuel. Instead of a windfall tax which will cut company profits a little in the short term, instead just make them reduce the standing charge back to pre-increase levels. All those actions would mean they wouldn't have to borrow money and would impact budgeting less as increases in prices recently will have already meant higher tax and duty income. But hey. Sensible policies from this lot is an unrealistic expectation. I do like your idea OP. But logistically I think it would be difficult to ensure the money reaches those most in need. A" Absolutely this! The government are just using deflection and duct tape to hide the cracks...Treat the problem at source and really help people | |||
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"Could you donate your £400 to Help the Aged ? " I actually emailed them before posting the idea on here…  | |||
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 its all bullshit if this is democracy you all can keep it | |||
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"£400 will only help soften the blow of the £800 increase of the price cap due in October" dunno wear this 800 figure is coming from its so much more than that in reality | |||
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"Could you donate your £400 to Help the Aged ? I actually emailed them before posting the idea on here… "If they get back let us know | |||
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"I'd like to see the government stop with these pointless attempts to distract from their behaviour and try to recoup some votes and start thinking more logically. They promised in their manifesto to remove VAT on fuel. So do that. They could cut duty of fuel. Instead of a windfall tax which will cut company profits a little in the short term, instead just make them reduce the standing charge back to pre-increase levels. All those actions would mean they wouldn't have to borrow money and would impact budgeting less as increases in prices recently will have already meant higher tax and duty income. But hey. Sensible policies from this lot is an unrealistic expectation. I do like your idea OP. But logistically I think it would be difficult to ensure the money reaches those most in need. A" if only we had done what so many other oil and gas nations did and still do and own part of the companies extracting the hydrocarbons, making profits from no investment. The Norwegian example started at a similar time to our extraction and look how differently its turned out, they have a massive portfolio now generating revenue for the nation and we have a bunch of wealthy shareholders and a load of business that paid no tax for 5 years from the North Sea | |||
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"Could you donate your £400 to Help the Aged ? I actually emailed them before posting the idea on here…
If they get back let us know "Anyone can donate £400 to whatever charity they like, right now. No need to wait for answers. | |||
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"Could you donate your £400 to Help the Aged ? I actually emailed them before posting the idea on here…
If they get back let us know
Anyone can donate £400 to whatever charity they like, right now. No need to wait for answers. "Yes obviously but I would be interested to see if the charity likes the idea, it adds weight and will spread it | |||
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"Could you donate your £400 to Help the Aged ? I actually emailed them before posting the idea on here… "Dont give it to a charity! It wont make it to the ones who need it most. There must be someone local to you who needs it? All you have to do is look. | |||
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"Could you donate your £400 to Help the Aged ? I actually emailed them before posting the idea on here…
Dont give it to a charity! It wont make it to the ones who need it most.
There must be someone local to you who needs it? All you have to do is look. "Exactly this^^ | |||
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"A charity already exists. National Energy Action" Yes. I was going to say that. It was mentioned by some expert when the £400 was announced. Don't know if you can be specific about to which specific people it goes to though. | |||
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"A charity already exists. National Energy Action Yes. I was going to say that. It was mentioned by some expert when the £400 was announced. Don't know if you can be specific about to which specific people it goes to though." It'll go towards advising people how to budget better, what benefits to claim, where the local food banks are, oh not to mention paying some fat cats heating bill for both of their properties!! | |||
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"Could you donate your £400 to Help the Aged ? I actually emailed them before posting the idea on here… "Help the Aged has been proved to be a badly run charity that spends a fortune on salaries and administration - please don’t give them any money. | |||
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"Conservative MP Lee Anderson (who told us we can cook meals for 30p) applied on expenses for heating his stables. The claim was refused" Haha that sounds about right. 1 cold baked been on a crumb of bread? | |||
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"Conservative MP Lee Anderson (who told us we can cook meals for 30p) applied on expenses for heating his stables. The claim was refused" The shame of him, disgusting | |||
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"Call me selfish but I'm going on holiday for a fortnight in Dec with mine. Double bonus I won't use any power??" I like your thinking, I'll do that too  | |||
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"Call me selfish but I'm going on holiday for a fortnight in Dec with mine. Double bonus I won't use any power??" Blimey! Where are you going for two weeks for £400?  | |||
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"Could you donate your £400 to Help the Aged ? I actually emailed them before posting the idea on here… "you could go to your local food bank and donate it,there are plenty of ways to give money away and plenty who will take it. | |||
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"Could you donate your £400 to Help the Aged ? I actually emailed them before posting the idea on here… you could go to your local food bank and donate it,there are plenty of ways to give money away and plenty who will take it."Alex Bourne. Maybe we could just all get it transferred directly to his account. | |||
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"Conservative MP Lee Anderson (who told us we can cook meals for 30p) applied on expenses for heating his stables. The claim was refused" This is how things get taken out of context as usual. Mr Anderson said people at a food bank in his Nottinghamshire constituency of Ashfield were being shown how they could cook "cheap and nutritious meals" from scratch on a budget of about 30p a day. That is the food bank saying it. | |||
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"Conservative MP Lee Anderson (who told us we can cook meals for 30p) applied on expenses for heating his stables. The claim was refusedThis is how things get taken out of context as usual. Mr Anderson said people at a food bank in his Nottinghamshire constituency of Ashfield were being shown how they could cook "cheap and nutritious meals" from scratch on a budget of about 30p a day. That is the food bank saying it. "This is what Lee Anderson said to ITV news "The last cooking session we did, which we publicised - where we had four MPs here - we made I think 180 meals for fifty quid, which is 30p each. So there's the real proof, so if people want to come here and have a go and we can teach them then surely they will stand back and say we can cook on a budget and thank you for doing it."I So not 30p a day and he was claiming its possible if you're cooking for 180 in a professional kitchen after being able to buy in bulk and take advantage of the resultant economies of scale. | |||
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"Call me selfish but I'm going on holiday for a fortnight in Dec with mine. Double bonus I won't use any power?? Blimey! Where are you going for two weeks for £400? "My apartment | |||
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"£400 will only help soften the blow of the £800 increase of the price cap due in Octoberdunno wear this 800 figure is coming from its so much more than that in reality " Absolutely.. OFGEM already stated they calculated an 'average family' undervalued, add working at home, kettle, heating, lighting and electricity it becomes way over. | |||
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"£400 will only help soften the blow of the £800 increase of the price cap due in Octoberdunno wear this 800 figure is coming from its so much more than that in reality Absolutely.. OFGEM already stated they calculated an 'average family' undervalued, add working at home, kettle, heating, lighting and electricity it becomes way over." So don’ work from home then. I don’t think many companies are making it mandatory. | |||
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"Good news for Rishi that he gets 3 X £400 as he owns three houses " Do we get that per property? Or is it per person? | |||
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"Good news for Rishi that he gets 3 X £400 as he owns three houses Do we get that per property? Or is it per person? " Per household | |||
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" Do we get that per property? Or is it per person? Per household " Per property. If you rent the landlord gets it not you | |||
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" Do we get that per property? Or is it per person? Per household Per property. If you rent the landlord gets it not you" thank god for that then lol | |||
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"Do we get that per property? Or is it per person?" "Per household" "Per property. If you rent the landlord gets it not you" It's granted per domestic electricity connection. So if you pay an electricity bill, you get the grant. Landlords will not be able to take it away from tenants. | |||
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"Seems like a bit of an illusion to me.. giving every household £400 is publicity at no / very little cost to the exchequer. By October, the average energy bill will have increased by almost £1,600, from under £1,300 to £2,800. 25% of that increase is green taxes and VAT...so about £400. All they're doing is giving you your own money back...and getting praise for it while you'll still be net £100 a month worse off after the payout." Any reason why we shouldn't just scrap HS2 and use the £100bn in other areas? | |||
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"Do we get that per property? Or is it per person? Per household Per property. If you rent the landlord gets it not you It's granted per domestic electricity connection. So if you pay an electricity bill, you get the grant. Landlords will not be able to take it away from tenants." Unless electricity is included in the rent- suppose that doesn't happen either! | |||
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"So if you pay an electricity bill, you get the grant. Landlords will not be able to take it away from tenants." "Unless electricity is included in the rent- suppose that doesn't happen either!" Lots of people pay for electricity as an element of their rent. However, section 44(4) of the Electricity Act 1989, as amended by the Utilities Act 2000 prevents landlords from charging more for electricity than they pay for it. Any landlord that can't show that they have passed on the £400 saving to their tenants is liable to end up in court. | |||
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"Seems like a bit of an illusion to me.. giving every household £400 is publicity at no / very little cost to the exchequer. By October, the average energy bill will have increased by almost £1,600, from under £1,300 to £2,800. 25% of that increase is green taxes and VAT...so about £400. All they're doing is giving you your own money back...and getting praise for it while you'll still be net £100 a month worse off after the payout. Any reason why we shouldn't just scrap HS2 and use the £100bn in other areas?" That doesn’t work as we need the rail capacity more than ever due to the lack of truck drivers and road capacity . Decades of under investment resulting in a perfect storm. Smart motorways to save on building new capacity what terrible deadly joke. A lot of this lies with that moron Prescott . He stopped the investment and others of various parties followed suit. | |||
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"So if you pay an electricity bill, you get the grant. Landlords will not be able to take it away from tenants. Unless electricity is included in the rent- suppose that doesn't happen either! Lots of people pay for electricity as an element of their rent. However, section 44(4) of the Electricity Act 1989, as amended by the Utilities Act 2000 prevents landlords from charging more for electricity than they pay for it. Any landlord that can't show that they have passed on the £400 saving to their tenants is liable to end up in court." Then the Section 21 notice arrives for thrratening or taking it to court. I've used the Utilities Act many times on holiday lettings such as apartments or chalets in Scotland where electricity is being sold at a profit. Most back down when questioned, once I took to court. | |||
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"I've used the Utilities Act many times on holiday lettings such as apartments or chalets in Scotland where electricity is being sold at a profit. Most back down when questioned, once I took to court." Section 44 of the Utilities Act 1989 only applies to residential properties. I'm interested to hear how you applied it to a holiday letting, which should be a commercial transaction. | |||
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"OFGEM 2005 - 11782-resaleupdateoct05_3-2.pdf Covers holiday and student rental. Was charged 35p/kw when import rate was 4.5p/kw at the time (remember those days). They could not prove reasonable 'transmission' costs, backed down and refunded also paying costs. Was a very expensive Highlands weekend in January where power cost as much as the rent itself considering hot water, space and storage heating was all electric. " Ah, yes. I always forget that Scottish law is different. That's a ridiculous mark up. They should be ashamed. Well done you for sorting them out. | |||
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"You seem very quick to try and prove me a fool? Twice now." Not at all. When you first posted that you had used the act against holiday let owners, I was intrigued. As I say the Act places this rule under consumer protection measures, so it doesn't apply to businesses. I was unaware that holiday lets come under the consumer protection umbrella. Then you said "Scottish Law covered it", and I just believed you, without reading the OfGem document. So I agree with you, you're right to say that it is UK law, and you're right to say that it covers holiday lets. "Since then, anytime I rent somewhere with more than 5% uplift, I ask for a breakdown as to how they get to their figures ..." Does this happen a lot? I've not used holiday lets and I was unaware that they made separate charges for electricity. I've definitely never heard of a hotel doing it. I can't even imagine how they could do that. | |||
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"I would like to see a charity start a scheme where those of us that don’t need the government grant can donate it to families in need. Personally I would like it to go to pensioners who have no way of increasing their earnings to keep up with the cost of living. Anyone agree? Have an idea how to start a campaign like this?" Just to let you know that pensioners will get the 400 per household…. Plus an extra 300 … plus the normal winter fuel payment They aren’t doing too badly under what was announced | |||
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