FabSwingers.com forum: Freeview - Small issue

By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

So, OFCOM, cashed in on selling Radio Spectrum to EE to increase 5G coverage around the UK, further encroaching the frequencies used by UK Terrestrial TV (Freeview).

Were people told that a consequence of this was the loss of BBC4 HD, BBC News HD, and numerous other channels that were on this closing Matrix Channel.

Seems that there isn't enough available bandwidth to support more HD channels on Freeview, so unless some of the titty shaking, ass Twerking channels are removed, there is no more capacity for new channels and increased availability of HD.

Was there any point in us buying HD TVs? Yes, they say we can move to Streaming but when you hear that watching a film on Netflix consumes as much energy (server, routers, repeaters) as boiling a kettle. This is not only restricting viewing of those offline or on limited bandwidth, it is also destroying the Climate.

They pulled that one off quietly?

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

I wasn't aware that 5G frequency bands are anywhere near the frequencies used for terrestrial TV broadcasting.

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

"I wasn't aware that 5G frequency bands are anywhere near the frequencies used for terrestrial TV broadcasting."

They're not

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

"I wasn't aware that 5G frequency bands are anywhere near the frequencies used for terrestrial TV broadcasting."

They shut some old analogue channels to clear bandwidth for 4g, 5g is being squeezed in the same space.

Was a big issue in some areas needing free aerial exchanges for those with lower resonance at 4g and incorporate 4g filters to stop TV interference. There is talk of 5g filters now on many areas.

UHF frequencies travel better in buildings and open space, hence cramming the spectrum.

So what's going on?

Following digital switchover, the UHF TV broadcast band is in the process of being reorganised so another chunk of the spectrum can be auctioned to telecoms companies planning to offer 5G services.

Some UHF spectrum (frequencies around 800MHz) has already gone – to 4G back in 2013 – but telecoms is encroaching still further into one-time TV territory.

An auction for the UHF spectrum currently being cleared is took place last year or year prior and EE won it – the lower frequencies (700MHz or so) could be better for providing mobile broadband in rural areas.

EE operates 2G, 3G, 4G and 5G radio access technologies on a range of bands. 2G uses 1800MHz (Band 3), 3G 2100MHz (Band 1), 4G 800MHz (Band 20), 1800MHz (Band 3), 2100MHz (Band 1), 2600MHz (Band 7) while 5G is on 700MHz (Band 28), 1800MHz (Band 3), 2100MHz (Band 1) and 3500MHz (NR Band 78).

Then again, what the fcuk do I know?

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By *vbride1963TV/TS
over a year ago

E.K . Glasgow

"I wasn't aware that 5G frequency bands are anywhere near the frequencies used for terrestrial TV broadcasting.

I wasn't aware that 5G frequency bands are anywhere near the frequencies used for terrestrial TV broadcasting.

They shut some old analogue channels to clear bandwidth for 4g, 5g is being squeezed in the same space.

Was a big issue in some areas needing free aerial exchanges for those with lower resonance at 4g and incorporate 4g filters to stop TV interference. There is talk of 5g filters now on many areas.

UHF frequencies travel better in buildings and open space, hence cramming the spectrum.

So what's going on?

Following digital switchover, the UHF TV broadcast band is in the process of being reorganised so another chunk of the spectrum can be auctioned to telecoms companies planning to offer 5G services.

Some UHF spectrum (frequencies around 800MHz) has already gone – to 4G back in 2013 – but telecoms is encroaching still further into one-time TV territory.

Then again, what the fcuk do I know?

All those numbers make my brain hertz .

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

COM7 Closure Implications:

The temporary terrestrial (Freeview) multiplex COM7 is set to close in June, to allow for the frequencies to be used for mobile phone networks. The frequency is one of those in the 700 MHz band that has now largely been cleared for 5G mobile phone use, with the closure of COM7 to complete the process.

This will mean some Freeview viewers will lose some channels. I say some, as COM7 currently broadcasts to a limited area, and by using the DVB-T2 transmission method is only available those with compatible equipment (usually branded Freeview HD or Freeview Play).

COM7 currently broadcasts a mix of HD (high definition) and standard definition channels, largely HD simulcasts and plus 1 timeshifts. However, Freesports, Now 80s, That’s TV (UK version), ‘pop-up’ temporary service That’s Music, Forces TV, and the recently moved Together TV are all ‘unique’ to this multiplex.

In total, some viewers may lose up to 15 channels, on the assumption that no channels will be re-accommodated on other multiplexes.

Exact changes are yet to be revealed (or at least to reach me), so the exact number of closures may change. There is not enough spare capacity to accommodate all services on other multiplexes, so at least some will close.

BBC have no plans to reinstate BBC4 HD, therefore an iPlayer only chanel. RT's vacated slot will be offered to tender.

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

Gone are the days listening into analogue phonecalls with a Scanner.

Even more fun was the Analogue Panasonic F1 handset, where inserting a 2p coin to short out the socket on the bottom to put it in engineering mode where it could scan, then drop into a call to make it a 3 way conversation - Dianagate.

That really screwed some heads up, especially with Unique identifiers of other Handsets on the same Cell, could use them as Walkie Talkies without paying for the call. Cloning car kits and handheld so that were all on the same 0831 number.

Those were the days, listening to police, phone calls and lots of other interesting stuff, number stations in the Eastern Bloc. First RTTY new agency message decoded was tennis player getting stabbed around '91.

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

Thanks for all those details of the bands. Very interesting, my knowledge was well in arrears but I have never been in the business although having an interest in the technology. A friend passes 'Land Mobile' on to me and there certainly have been some changes over the decades.

Interesting days going back even before analogue cellular, right back to the days of operator connected car phone systems.

I would not be surprised if broadcast TV becomes a thing of the past. It uses a lot of power for a start. I've always been amused that the 'them mobile mobile phone masks[sic] will damage my baby' brigade never seem to worry about the radiation levels at Crystal Palace, which I don't. More and more people watch TV via the internet nowadays, either hard wired or via mobile devices.

One thing is certain. If the digital infrastructure goes tits up during troubled times which are sometimes frighteningly near, more than a few organisations will wish they had kept some simple schemes available and under their own control.

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By *exy_HornyCouple
over a year ago

Leigh

We don't understand why Freeview has any SD channels, nor do we understand the wasted bandwidth on +1 channels.

All channels should be HD only and the poor quality rubbish should be dropped.

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

Cos granny is happy with her SD TV and refuses to have it taken away..

I took Panasonic to Court over an issue on FreeSat when ITV HD went regional.

I lot of other brands also affected but gave away free digiboxes to compensate.

Panasonic took the hard line, eventually lying and bullshitting in Court and after a 6 minute hearing, got 75% of the cost of the Plasma TV refunded.

The TV tuner chip wasn't fully DVD-S2 compliant on MUX and impossible to substitute an alternative component, so blew them out the water in Court. Many others followed using my evidence after 10 months being fobbed off.

Curious if the loss of Freeview features leads to more claims, as from the outset, they claimed all TVs would be backward compatible, and recently many list EPG features.

I use the plasma as just a screen now as films are better than on any LCD, plus at 350watts, it keeps the room warm.

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

Titty shaking channels should be removed immediately to free room.

35 channels of porn for free on my FireStick!!

Scanning mobile phone bands on 800mhz to 900mhz late at night was always entertaining. Whispers of two people having an affair and then passing landline phone numbers to 'call when partner was out' tomorrow. Could never resist calling the numbers while they were still on the phone and listening to them shit themselves as house phone was ringing.

One night, we called a number, where a guys wife walked in and caught him on the phone at 2am. He didn't get chance to hang up and wasn't pleasant listening!!

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke.

The most recent white paper is set to increase exposure of UK derived TV output with regard to ensuring that streaming services ensure that if they stream in the UK BBC ITV C4 SC4 etc etc are on the front page of any Netflix - Disney+ Roku service.

Plus Smart TV providers and Consoles )(PS. XBox etc) will come under the same legislation - they will have to provide the apps built in or downloadable. If downloadable, they will have to make that a 'prominent available feature on the front page'.

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By *exy_HornyCouple
over a year ago

Leigh

"Cos granny is happy with her SD TV and refuses to have it taken away..

Aren't all TVs some sort of HD compatible since the analogue signal was turned off?

Even if they aren't, why should the majority be made to suffer for the sake of a few luddites?

SD TV is unwatchable when scaled up on our big 4K screen so we are restricted to the ever decreasing number of HD channels, or streaming.

Then, when iPlayer offers UHD streaming for a live program it only works sometimes. It is as if the BBC can only support a limited number of UHD connections. The choice of UHD programming is also poor.

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

No.. is straight answer.

HD Ready was a marketing con, it meant the TV was fitted with an SD 720 lines tuner, where connection of an external box such as SKY or HD Freeview tuner, the TV displayed Full HD 1080.

Freeview stated years ago that no 4K will ever be supported, now we know why but each version, SD, HD and 4K needs it's in Channel allocation and thus, bandwidth.

SD and HD channels are transmitted on the same frequency (Multiplex or MUX), but only an HD TV Tuner can decode the HD component of the signal.

Freeview was screwed from the outset as BBC would need 3 allocations per Channel and each broadcaster has to pay 'rent' on each. Since the collapse of ITV Digital and subsequent failures of privatisation of the system to Freeview. It should have been left in national hands as a resource for the population that private companies can't make obsolete as has been the case numerous times already.

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