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"“Where is this stupidity coming from?” One guess . . . . . . . The Cabinet Ministers. That’s right, our glorious, amazing, talented, not in the least corrupt or avoiding taxes, intelligent, talented crop of Ministers running our country!" Spot on.. sheer stupidity. I don't like annual MOT but at least we know vehicles are safe. Maybe just reduce the cost 50%, if the issue is cost of living. Oh, they wouldn't do that.. | |||
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"Italy, France, Portugal have a biennial MOT's so not that unusual. " Also Germany. In Spain it is every 2 years until the car is 10 years old then it is annually. Personally I think the Spanish have got it about right. I don't think modern cars need it every year while they are still quite young. But as they get older then there is an argument for it. The current system in the UK goes back decades to the days when at 10 years old most cars were clapped out old bangers nearly ready for the scrap yard. These days a 10 year old car is still relatively young. | |||
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"“Where is this stupidity coming from?” One guess . . . . . . . The Cabinet Ministers. That’s right, our glorious, amazing, talented, not in the least corrupt or avoiding taxes, intelligent, talented crop of Ministers running our country! Spot on.. sheer stupidity. I don't like annual MOT but at least we know vehicles are safe. Maybe just reduce the cost 50%, if the issue is cost of living. Oh, they wouldn't do that.." Good point, decrease the cost, keep the garages busy , make sure the cars are safe | |||
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"Italy, France, Portugal have a biennial MOT's so not that unusual. Also Germany. In Spain it is every 2 years until the car is 10 years old then it is annually. Personally I think the Spanish have got it about right. I don't think modern cars need it every year while they are still quite young. But as they get older then there is an argument for it. The current system in the UK goes back decades to the days when at 10 years old most cars were clapped out old bangers nearly ready for the scrap yard. These days a 10 year old car is still relatively young." Can't agree.. 1 to 3 yrs- no MOT 3 to 5 - every 2 years 5+ - every year. 10 years is not young for a car. Coastal areas, cars suffer excessive corrosion, especially underneath. Salt used over winter corrodes cheaper manufactured suspension components. Roads are full of pot holes and suspension, especially control arms, ball joints and bushes wear quicker. With experience working in garages, most cars need substantial at work 5 to 10 years - 50,000 to 100,000 miles. | |||
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"Italy, France, Portugal have a biennial MOT's so not that unusual. Also Germany. In Spain it is every 2 years until the car is 10 years old then it is annually. Personally I think the Spanish have got it about right. I don't think modern cars need it every year while they are still quite young. But as they get older then there is an argument for it. The current system in the UK goes back decades to the days when at 10 years old most cars were clapped out old bangers nearly ready for the scrap yard. These days a 10 year old car is still relatively young. Can't agree.. 1 to 3 yrs- no MOT 3 to 5 - every 2 years 5+ - every year. 10 years is not young for a car. Coastal areas, cars suffer excessive corrosion, especially underneath. Salt used over winter corrodes cheaper manufactured suspension components. Roads are full of pot holes and suspension, especially control arms, ball joints and bushes wear quicker. With experience working in garages, most cars need substantial at work 5 to 10 years - 50,000 to 100,000 miles." You should see the pot holes in Spain 
Not sure about your coastal car theory either.
As someone who lived on the coast and was 25 years in the motor trade I saw it the other way around.
While salt air isn't perfect it seemed to do a lot less harm (corrosion) to the underside of cars than the grit from roads on higher ground that were gritted a lot more often.
Besides the days of cars needing welding work for MOT are almost gone. Fitting new sills on an 8-10 year old car was almost standard in the 70's. These days it's almost unheard of.
In Germany our business has a fleet of 16 cars of varying ages, youngest being almost new to our 14 year old Fiat Punto.
When that last went for TUV (MOT) I looked under it myself and it was as clean as a whistle, even the brake pipes were in decent nick.
In Spain our 2 cars are from 2005 and 2009. Both started life (and spent some time) in snowy salty Germany. The older one (Mercedes C class) still has its original exhaust. | |||
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"One of the differences in France and (i think) Germany is that you go to an actual test centre not a garage so there is no chance of any "yeah you're gonna need new brakes/suspension/ad finitum, mate" You just get a result and a list of recommendations, you then choose where to go if any work is needed. You are required to keep your vehicle in a road worthy condition, so even if you have a current control technique, you can still get pulled and done by the gendarmarie if they arent happy with something" Yes that is pretty much the same in Germany. Testers sometimes do days out at selected garages but most are done at the test centre. Garages using the MOT to tout for business was always a problem in the UK. | |||
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"Is it honestly right to extend the time period of a proper safety check of a vehicle to every 24 from 12 months? The state of many vehicles on the roads today, lights out, damages, bald tyres and now they talk of 2 years for MOTS. I dread MOT but at least I know the car has been checked by a qualified mechanic once a year and any serious defects reported and fixed before there is chance it can kill someone. I also know most other vehicles I share the road with has, or should have been checked for roadworthy condition. Where is this stupidity coming from? If there is to be any changes, it should not be allowed to use the same MOT station 3 years in a row to stop 'dodgy tickets'." Do not under any circumstances believe MOT testers are qualified mechanics. They are not. A month ago at a station I witnessed a tester tell a woman the test on her car was abandoned due to a brake pipe rupturing and leaking fluid. This moron then told her it was ok to drive home as long as she “ didn’t use the brakes too much”. Testing should be more regular in my opinion and test centres should be Government owned to stop cowboy outfits quoting unnecessary work. | |||
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"Italy, France, Portugal have a biennial MOT's so not that unusual. Also Germany. In Spain it is every 2 years until the car is 10 years old then it is annually. Personally I think the Spanish have got it about right. I don't think modern cars need it every year while they are still quite young. But as they get older then there is an argument for it. The current system in the UK goes back decades to the days when at 10 years old most cars were clapped out old bangers nearly ready for the scrap yard. These days a 10 year old car is still relatively young. Can't agree.. 1 to 3 yrs- no MOT 3 to 5 - every 2 years 5+ - every year. 10 years is not young for a car. Coastal areas, cars suffer excessive corrosion, especially underneath. Salt used over winter corrodes cheaper manufactured suspension components. Roads are full of pot holes and suspension, especially control arms, ball joints and bushes wear quicker. With experience working in garages, most cars need substantial at work 5 to 10 years - 50,000 to 100,000 miles." I don’t think I am too far off your suggestion… do the mot at 3,5 and 7… then annually after that Lots of cars come with 7-8 year warranty anyway…. So that would cover that | |||
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"Italy, France, Portugal have a biennial MOT's so not that unusual. Also Germany. In Spain it is every 2 years until the car is 10 years old then it is annually. Personally I think the Spanish have got it about right. I don't think modern cars need it every year while they are still quite young. But as they get older then there is an argument for it. The current system in the UK goes back decades to the days when at 10 years old most cars were clapped out old bangers nearly ready for the scrap yard. These days a 10 year old car is still relatively young. Can't agree.. 1 to 3 yrs- no MOT 3 to 5 - every 2 years 5+ - every year. 10 years is not young for a car. Coastal areas, cars suffer excessive corrosion, especially underneath. Salt used over winter corrodes cheaper manufactured suspension components. Roads are full of pot holes and suspension, especially control arms, ball joints and bushes wear quicker. With experience working in garages, most cars need substantial at work 5 to 10 years - 50,000 to 100,000 miles. I don’t think I am too far off your suggestion… do the mot at 3,5 and 7… then annually after that Lots of cars come with 7-8 year warranty anyway…. So that would cover that " Not for wear and tear it wont. | |||
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"Italy, France, Portugal have a biennial MOT's so not that unusual. " So why is it a problem for the UK to do the same thing or have these other countries got it wrong | |||
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"Italy, France, Portugal have a biennial MOT's so not that unusual. So why is it a problem for the UK to do the same thing or have these other countries got it wrong" If its not broke dont mend it | |||
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"Italy, France, Portugal have a biennial MOT's so not that unusual. " So JRM can’t even claim this as a Brexit Bonus? He must be gutted  | |||
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"My car is a 1 litre petrol 2003 model and done 182,000 miles i had my front shock absorbers changed a month ago and mechanic told me the orginal 1s were still on car since it was built and only just needed changing " Not same for every car, hence need for regular qualified mechanic to check every year. I've had cars at 200k with little done but others with ball joints wearing, wishbones cracked. Is it not worth £40 a year for peace of mind? If cost of living argument is avoiding necessary repair bills, then that's morally wrong and dangerous. An MOT is a check of vital components of a vehicle and anything highlighted is safety to occupants or other road users. | |||
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"Italy, France, Portugal have a biennial MOT's so not that unusual. Also Germany. In Spain it is every 2 years until the car is 10 years old then it is annually. Personally I think the Spanish have got it about right. I don't think modern cars need it every year while they are still quite young. But as they get older then there is an argument for it. The current system in the UK goes back decades to the days when at 10 years old most cars were clapped out old bangers nearly ready for the scrap yard. These days a 10 year old car is still relatively young." sounds good to me | |||
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"One of the differences in France and (i think) Germany is that you go to an actual test centre not a garage so there is no chance of any "yeah you're gonna need new brakes/suspension/ad finitum, mate" You just get a result and a list of recommendations, you then choose where to go if any work is needed." I believe most councils here offer this as well  | |||
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"Italy, France, Portugal have a biennial MOT's so not that unusual. So why is it a problem for the UK to do the same thing or have these other countries got it wrong" Those countries are in the EU; for plenty in these forums, that's wrong enough. Leaving the EU just to adopt EU regulations on vehicle safety? LOL Maybe a change might work. I'm not sure. Two things might complicate it - more people are going to hold onto older cars because they can't afford to replace them. And how is the used EV market going to go? Lots of people on low incomes might get priced out of driving altogether; that would impact the economy. I think it's maybe going to take more than a biennial MoT. | |||
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