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"I am feeling somewhat positive on the idea of by-passing the national administration and going direct to targeted states … Please present alternative/balanced/negative views please … TIA "What's the latest on importing hormone treated meat and dairy products, or the pharmaceutical industry buying into British healthcare? | |||
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"I am feeling somewhat positive on the idea of by-passing the national administration and going direct to targeted states … Please present alternative/balanced/negative views please … TIA
What's the latest on importing hormone treated meat and dairy products, or the pharmaceutical industry buying into British healthcare?"Why always the rush to go low? | |||
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What's the latest on importing hormone treated meat and dairy products, or the pharmaceutical industry buying into British healthcare?
Why always the rush to go low?"What rush, is there a minimum time before we're allowed to ask questions on these threads? These are important issues for me, so I'm interested in what the latest is. | |||
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"I am feeling somewhat positive on the idea of by-passing the national administration and going direct to targeted states … Please present alternative/balanced/negative views please … TIA
What's the latest on importing hormone treated meat and dairy products, or the pharmaceutical industry buying into British healthcare?
Why always the rush to go low?
What rush, is there a minimum time before we're allowed to ask questions on these threads?
These are important issues for me, so I'm interested in what the latest is."A debating balance would have been to find the pros and cons not just try and attempt a crack at the cons. | |||
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"I am feeling somewhat positive on the idea of by-passing the national administration and going direct to targeted states … Please present alternative/balanced/negative views please … TIA
What's the latest on importing hormone treated meat and dairy products, or the pharmaceutical industry buying into British healthcare?
Why always the rush to go low?
What rush, is there a minimum time before we're allowed to ask questions on these threads?
These are important issues for me, so I'm interested in what the latest is.
A debating balance would have been to find the pros and cons not just try and attempt a crack at the cons."Are you a Mod? | |||
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"I am feeling somewhat positive on the idea of by-passing the national administration and going direct to targeted states … Please present alternative/balanced/negative views please … TIA
What's the latest on importing hormone treated meat and dairy products, or the pharmaceutical industry buying into British healthcare?
Why always the rush to go low?
What rush, is there a minimum time before we're allowed to ask questions on these threads?
These are important issues for me, so I'm interested in what the latest is.
A debating balance would have been to find the pros and cons not just try and attempt a crack at the cons.
Are you a Mod? "pointless question | |||
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"I am feeling somewhat positive on the idea of by-passing the national administration and going direct to targeted states … Please present alternative/balanced/negative views please … TIA
What's the latest on importing hormone treated meat and dairy products, or the pharmaceutical industry buying into British healthcare?
Why always the rush to go low?
What rush, is there a minimum time before we're allowed to ask questions on these threads?
These are important issues for me, so I'm interested in what the latest is."Yes, you have to wait for all the positives to be discussed, then ask for permission to proceed with the negatives, apparently | |||
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"I am feeling somewhat positive on the idea of by-passing the national administration and going direct to targeted states … Please present alternative/balanced/negative views please … TIA
What's the latest on importing hormone treated meat and dairy products, or the pharmaceutical industry buying into British healthcare?
Why always the rush to go low?
What rush, is there a minimum time before we're allowed to ask questions on these threads?
These are important issues for me, so I'm interested in what the latest is.
Yes, you have to wait for all the positives to be discussed, then ask for permission to proceed with the negatives, apparently "And that's how we get the best from all things. Well done  | |||
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"I am feeling somewhat positive on the idea of by-passing the national administration and going direct to targeted states … Please present alternative/balanced/negative views please … TIA
What's the latest on importing hormone treated meat and dairy products, or the pharmaceutical industry buying into British healthcare?
Why always the rush to go low?
What rush, is there a minimum time before we're allowed to ask questions on these threads?
These are important issues for me, so I'm interested in what the latest is.
A debating balance would have been to find the pros and cons not just try and attempt a crack at the cons."So you want me to debate with myself, and ask no questions on any important issues? Maybe you could provide a list of acceptable questions and points, and the timeframe that we're allowed to make them in, and we can follow from there. | |||
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"I am feeling somewhat positive on the idea of by-passing the national administration and going direct to targeted states … Please present alternative/balanced/negative views please … TIA
What's the latest on importing hormone treated meat and dairy products, or the pharmaceutical industry buying into British healthcare?
Why always the rush to go low?
What rush, is there a minimum time before we're allowed to ask questions on these threads?
These are important issues for me, so I'm interested in what the latest is.
Yes, you have to wait for all the positives to be discussed, then ask for permission to proceed with the negatives, apparently
And that's how we get the best from all things. Well done "Then crack on, let’s here your list of positives? | |||
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"I am feeling somewhat positive on the idea of by-passing the national administration and going direct to targeted states … Please present alternative/balanced/negative views please … TIA
Which states? "Talking to 20 - 8 on the brink of signing trade deal. Doesn’t name the 8 states … so it may end up being nothing about nothing . An Ingenious strategy/approach though? | |||
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"I am feeling somewhat positive on the idea of by-passing the national administration and going direct to targeted states … Please present alternative/balanced/negative views please … TIA
What's the latest on importing hormone treated meat and dairy products, or the pharmaceutical industry buying into British healthcare?
Why always the rush to go low?
What rush, is there a minimum time before we're allowed to ask questions on these threads?
These are important issues for me, so I'm interested in what the latest is.
Yes, you have to wait for all the positives to be discussed, then ask for permission to proceed with the negatives, apparently
And that's how we get the best from all things. Well done
Then crack on, let’s here your list of positives? "Nobody has a list yet. The point of the OP is that it is a strategy in discussion. | |||
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"I am feeling somewhat positive on the idea of by-passing the national administration and going direct to targeted states … Please present alternative/balanced/negative views please … TIA
Which states?
Talking to 20 - 8 on the brink of signing trade deal. Doesn’t name the 8 states … so it may end up being nothing about nothing . An Ingenious strategy/approach though? "Texas was mentioned. | |||
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"I am feeling somewhat positive on the idea of by-passing the national administration and going direct to targeted states … Please present alternative/balanced/negative views please … TIA
What's the latest on importing hormone treated meat and dairy products, or the pharmaceutical industry buying into British healthcare?
Why always the rush to go low?
What rush, is there a minimum time before we're allowed to ask questions on these threads?
These are important issues for me, so I'm interested in what the latest is.
Yes, you have to wait for all the positives to be discussed, then ask for permission to proceed with the negatives, apparently
And that's how we get the best from all things. Well done
Then crack on, let’s here your list of positives?
Nobody has a list yet. The point of the OP is that it is a strategy in discussion.
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"I am feeling somewhat positive on the idea of by-passing the national administration and going direct to targeted states … Please present alternative/balanced/negative views please … TIA
Which states?
Talking to 20 - 8 on the brink of signing trade deal. Doesn’t name the 8 states … so it may end up being nothing about nothing . An Ingenious strategy/approach though? "Where did you read about this ? Genuinely intrigued | |||
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"I am feeling somewhat positive on the idea of by-passing the national administration and going direct to targeted states … Please present alternative/balanced/negative views please … TIA
Which states?
Talking to 20 - 8 on the brink of signing trade deal. Doesn’t name the 8 states … so it may end up being nothing about nothing . An Ingenious strategy/approach though?
Where did you read about this ? Genuinely intrigued "I saw it on Reuters. It's in the Mirror, and the Express reported it in amongst a confused wildly inaccurate rant against the EU. | |||
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"I am feeling somewhat positive on the idea of by-passing the national administration and going direct to targeted states … Please present alternative/balanced/negative views please … TIA
Which states?
Talking to 20 - 8 on the brink of signing trade deal. Doesn’t name the 8 states … so it may end up being nothing about nothing . An Ingenious strategy/approach though?
Where did you read about this ? Genuinely intrigued "Pippa Crerar in The Mirror  | |||
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"I am feeling somewhat positive on the idea of by-passing the national administration and going direct to targeted states … Please present alternative/balanced/negative views please … TIA
Which states?
Talking to 20 - 8 on the brink of signing trade deal. Doesn’t name the 8 states … so it may end up being nothing about nothing . An Ingenious strategy/approach though?
Where did you read about this ? Genuinely intrigued
I saw it on Reuters. It's in the Mirror, and the Express reported it in amongst a confused wildly inaccurate rant against the EU. "Just read an article in the institute of export . Penny Mordaunt (minister of state for trade) admitted that any planned agreements would not be legally binding or cut tariffs. Sounds like desperation , anyway, I keep hearing that we don’t need any trade deals with the Americans | |||
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"I am feeling somewhat positive on the idea of by-passing the national administration and going direct to targeted states … Please present alternative/balanced/negative views please … TIA
Which states?
Talking to 20 - 8 on the brink of signing trade deal. Doesn’t name the 8 states … so it may end up being nothing about nothing . An Ingenious strategy/approach though?
Where did you read about this ? Genuinely intrigued
I saw it on Reuters. It's in the Mirror, and the Express reported it in amongst a confused wildly inaccurate rant against the EU.
Just read an article in the institute of export . Penny Mordaunt (minister of state for trade) admitted that any planned agreements would not be legally binding or cut tariffs. Sounds like desperation , anyway, I keep hearing that we don’t need any trade deals with the Americans
"Boris is the biggest obstacle at the moment. His rhetoric about not adhering to the GFE has the Americans on edge. I am in favour of a trade deal that doesn't lower our food safety standards, or sell off parts of our NHS to US big Pharma. However I have exactly zero faith in our government to even consider what might be good for British people. This was one of the main objectives of Brexit after all. | |||
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"I am feeling somewhat positive on the idea of by-passing the national administration and going direct to targeted states … Please present alternative/balanced/negative views please … TIA "Can any nation state bypass US tariffs or quotas with a "trade deal" with individual states? Nope. From Reuters: "That negotiation track is not about a bilateral trade deal - something Tai has referred to as an old fashioned tool - but instead aimed at deepening cooperation in areas such as workers' rights, supply chain resilience and the environment" It would seem to be publicity with no benefit, unless someone can indicate what the gain to the UK is... | |||
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"The biggest problem is Joe Biden. He has been brought up to believe that he's Irish, and that England is to blame for almost everything. There will be no trade deal whilst he is in the White House." Not just biden but any democrat,Clinton played a big role in making it happen. But that's not saying even if a republican was in the white house that they would let boris fuck with it either. Maybe trump will run again? | |||
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"I am feeling somewhat positive on the idea of by-passing the national administration and going direct to targeted states … Please present alternative/balanced/negative views please … TIA "It seems a little odd that a country can simply bypass the US national government and do deals with individual states. Without wanting to appear rude, are you sure it's possible. Neat trick if it is as some of the U.S. states are very large. | |||
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"The biggest problem is Joe Biden. He has been brought up to believe that he's Irish, and that England is to blame for almost everything. There will be no trade deal whilst he is in the White House. Not just biden but any democrat,Clinton played a big role in making it happen. But that's not saying even if a republican was in the white house that they would let boris fuck with it either. Maybe trump will run again? " Trade deals tend to slant in favour of the larger state, except for ours where both Australia and New Zealand seem to have got the advantage. With those negotiating skills, how do we think things will work out whoever runs the US? | |||
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"I am feeling somewhat positive on the idea of by-passing the national administration and going direct to targeted states … Please present alternative/balanced/negative views please … TIA
It seems a little odd that a country can simply bypass the US national government and do deals with individual states. Without wanting to appear rude, are you sure it's possible. Neat trick if it is as some of the U.S. states are very large. "They can't. It's not a trade deal of any description. If it were possible any country could have done it at any time. | |||
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"I am feeling somewhat positive on the idea of by-passing the national administration and going direct to targeted states … Please present alternative/balanced/negative views please … TIA
It seems a little odd that a country can simply bypass the US national government and do deals with individual states. Without wanting to appear rude, are you sure it's possible. Neat trick if it is as some of the U.S. states are very large. "I guess the devil is in the detail. This from the trade minister “ The first eight deals we're going to sign represent about 20% of the US economy. This is big stuff - it will reduce costs for business, it will open up new opportunities for UK businesses and make it easier for them to actually provide services and goods to the US." | |||
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"I am feeling somewhat positive on the idea of by-passing the national administration and going direct to targeted states … Please present alternative/balanced/negative views please … TIA "We are forced to go direct it was not a choice. Why do you think you feel positive? | |||
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"I am feeling somewhat positive on the idea of by-passing the national administration and going direct to targeted states … Please present alternative/balanced/negative views please … TIA
It seems a little odd that a country can simply bypass the US national government and do deals with individual states. Without wanting to appear rude, are you sure it's possible. Neat trick if it is as some of the U.S. states are very large.
I guess the devil is in the detail. This from the trade minister “ The first eight deals we're going to sign represent about 20% of the US economy.
This is big stuff - it will reduce costs for business, it will open up new opportunities for UK businesses and make it easier for them to actually provide services and goods to the US."
"How? The 20% figure is just thrown in to sound meaningful. Do individual US states reduces taxes or regulations on UK companies? They can control that should they wish to. How do we reciprocate? I assume any US company can register in any IS state, so do we just throw the doors open to US companies? Sounds like the licence to a US buying spree and then the "alignment" of UK regulations. You know, stuff like 10 days holiday and instant dismissal... Do you have any information to indicate that this is, in fact, positive for the UK? | |||
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"I am feeling somewhat positive on the idea of by-passing the national administration and going direct to targeted states … Please present alternative/balanced/negative views please … TIA
What's the latest on importing hormone treated meat and dairy products, or the pharmaceutical industry buying into British healthcare?
Why always the rush to go low?
What rush, is there a minimum time before we're allowed to ask questions on these threads?
These are important issues for me, so I'm interested in what the latest is.
Yes, you have to wait for all the positives to be discussed, then ask for permission to proceed with the negatives, apparently
And that's how we get the best from all things. Well done
Then crack on, let’s here your list of positives?
Nobody has a list yet. The point of the OP is that it is a strategy in discussion.
"So there’s no list, no legally binding outcome and no prospect of a cut on tariffs. That’s some strategy they have there. I’d hate to see what they class as “winging it!” | |||
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"The biggest problem is Joe Biden. He has been brought up to believe that he's Irish, and that England is to blame for almost everything. There will be no trade deal whilst he is in the White House. Not just biden but any democrat,Clinton played a big role in making it happen. But that's not saying even if a republican was in the white house that they would let boris fuck with it either. Maybe trump will run again? Trade deals tend to slant in favour of the larger state, except for ours where both Australia and New Zealand seem to have got the advantage. With those negotiating skills, how do we think things will work out whoever runs the US?" Exactly. Any country that done a trade deal with US for years now has had to open up their markets for their disgusting food,that's every country. And like you say,you lot have boris negotiating so you can say hello to big pharma too. Also boris has said time and again this won't happen,that alone would make me worry,if I was you | |||
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"The biggest problem is Joe Biden. He has been brought up to believe that he's Irish, and that England is to blame for almost everything. There will be no trade deal whilst he is in the White House. Not just biden but any democrat,Clinton played a big role in making it happen. But that's not saying even if a republican was in the white house that they would let boris fuck with it either. Maybe trump will run again? Trade deals tend to slant in favour of the larger state, except for ours where both Australia and New Zealand seem to have got the advantage. With those negotiating skills, how do we think things will work out whoever runs the US? Exactly. Any country that done a trade deal with US for years now has had to open up their markets for their disgusting food,that's every country. And like you say,you lot have boris negotiating so you can say hello to big pharma too. Also boris has said time and again this won't happen,that alone would make me worry,if I was you" Disgusting food  have you ever been there? | |||
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"The biggest problem is Joe Biden. He has been brought up to believe that he's Irish, and that England is to blame for almost everything. There will be no trade deal whilst he is in the White House. Not just biden but any democrat,Clinton played a big role in making it happen. But that's not saying even if a republican was in the white house that they would let boris fuck with it either. Maybe trump will run again? Trade deals tend to slant in favour of the larger state, except for ours where both Australia and New Zealand seem to have got the advantage. With those negotiating skills, how do we think things will work out whoever runs the US? Exactly. Any country that done a trade deal with US for years now has had to open up their markets for their disgusting food,that's every country. And like you say,you lot have boris negotiating so you can say hello to big pharma too. Also boris has said time and again this won't happen,that alone would make me worry,if I was youDisgusting food have you ever been there?"I lived there. If you can pay for it,there is amazing produce. I'm talking about US food standards,not the wide range of standard of food available on the US market,where you get what you pay for I won't ask you have you been there,but I ask you are you aware of their food standards,like why they chlorinate their chicken,or the amount of pus they accept in milk,or drugs and hormones in their meet? | |||
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"The biggest problem is Joe Biden. He has been brought up to believe that he's Irish, and that England is to blame for almost everything. There will be no trade deal whilst he is in the White House. Not just biden but any democrat,Clinton played a big role in making it happen. But that's not saying even if a republican was in the white house that they would let boris fuck with it either. Maybe trump will run again? Trade deals tend to slant in favour of the larger state, except for ours where both Australia and New Zealand seem to have got the advantage. With those negotiating skills, how do we think things will work out whoever runs the US? Exactly. Any country that done a trade deal with US for years now has had to open up their markets for their disgusting food,that's every country. And like you say,you lot have boris negotiating so you can say hello to big pharma too. Also boris has said time and again this won't happen,that alone would make me worry,if I was youDisgusting food have you ever been there?
I lived there.
If you can pay for it,there is amazing produce.
I'm talking about US food standards,not the wide range of standard of food available on the US market,where you get what you pay for
I won't ask you have you been there,but I ask you are you aware of their food standards,like why they chlorinate their chicken,or the amount of pus they accept in milk,or drugs and hormones in their meet?"US food safety standards are atrocious. | |||
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"The biggest problem is Joe Biden. He has been brought up to believe that he's Irish, and that England is to blame for almost everything. There will be no trade deal whilst he is in the White House. Not just biden but any democrat,Clinton played a big role in making it happen. But that's not saying even if a republican was in the white house that they would let boris fuck with it either. Maybe trump will run again? Trade deals tend to slant in favour of the larger state, except for ours where both Australia and New Zealand seem to have got the advantage. With those negotiating skills, how do we think things will work out whoever runs the US? Exactly. Any country that done a trade deal with US for years now has had to open up their markets for their disgusting food,that's every country. And like you say,you lot have boris negotiating so you can say hello to big pharma too. Also boris has said time and again this won't happen,that alone would make me worry,if I was youDisgusting food have you ever been there?
I lived there.
If you can pay for it,there is amazing produce.
I'm talking about US food standards,not the wide range of standard of food available on the US market,where you get what you pay for
I won't ask you have you been there,but I ask you are you aware of their food standards,like why they chlorinate their chicken,or the amount of pus they accept in milk,or drugs and hormones in their meet?
US food safety standards are atrocious.
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"The biggest problem is Joe Biden. He has been brought up to believe that he's Irish, and that England is to blame for almost everything. There will be no trade deal whilst he is in the White House. Not just biden but any democrat,Clinton played a big role in making it happen. But that's not saying even if a republican was in the white house that they would let boris fuck with it either. Maybe trump will run again? Trade deals tend to slant in favour of the larger state, except for ours where both Australia and New Zealand seem to have got the advantage. With those negotiating skills, how do we think things will work out whoever runs the US? Exactly. Any country that done a trade deal with US for years now has had to open up their markets for their disgusting food,that's every country. And like you say,you lot have boris negotiating so you can say hello to big pharma too. Also boris has said time and again this won't happen,that alone would make me worry,if I was youDisgusting food have you ever been there?
I lived there.
If you can pay for it,there is amazing produce.
I'm talking about US food standards,not the wide range of standard of food available on the US market,where you get what you pay for
I won't ask you have you been there,but I ask you are you aware of their food standards,like why they chlorinate their chicken,or the amount of pus they accept in milk,or drugs and hormones in their meet?"Yes mate i worked out there too and if the beef down in Texas is hormone reared then im all for it. As for chlorinated chicken its washed in chlorine just like EU salad not harmful at all and thats only around 10% of it.Love the way you fall for the chlorine excuse it was a political decision for protectionist reasons nothing else and as for the milk i really haven't looked into it. | |||
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"I am feeling somewhat positive on the idea of by-passing the national administration and going direct to targeted states … Please present alternative/balanced/negative views please … TIA
What's the latest on importing hormone treated meat and dairy products, or the pharmaceutical industry buying into British healthcare?
Why always the rush to go low?
What rush, is there a minimum time before we're allowed to ask questions on these threads?
These are important issues for me, so I'm interested in what the latest is.
A debating balance would have been to find the pros and cons not just try and attempt a crack at the cons."it’s standard on here to look only for the cons it’s just there nature half empty | |||
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"The biggest problem is Joe Biden. He has been brought up to believe that he's Irish, and that England is to blame for almost everything. There will be no trade deal whilst he is in the White House. Not just biden but any democrat,Clinton played a big role in making it happen. But that's not saying even if a republican was in the white house that they would let boris fuck with it either. Maybe trump will run again? Trade deals tend to slant in favour of the larger state, except for ours where both Australia and New Zealand seem to have got the advantage. With those negotiating skills, how do we think things will work out whoever runs the US? Exactly. Any country that done a trade deal with US for years now has had to open up their markets for their disgusting food,that's every country. And like you say,you lot have boris negotiating so you can say hello to big pharma too. Also boris has said time and again this won't happen,that alone would make me worry,if I was youDisgusting food have you ever been there?
I lived there.
If you can pay for it,there is amazing produce.
I'm talking about US food standards,not the wide range of standard of food available on the US market,where you get what you pay for
I won't ask you have you been there,but I ask you are you aware of their food standards,like why they chlorinate their chicken,or the amount of pus they accept in milk,or drugs and hormones in their meet?
US food safety standards are atrocious.
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"The biggest problem is Joe Biden. He has been brought up to believe that he's Irish, and that England is to blame for almost everything. There will be no trade deal whilst he is in the White House. Not just biden but any democrat,Clinton played a big role in making it happen. But that's not saying even if a republican was in the white house that they would let boris fuck with it either. Maybe trump will run again? Trade deals tend to slant in favour of the larger state, except for ours where both Australia and New Zealand seem to have got the advantage. With those negotiating skills, how do we think things will work out whoever runs the US? Exactly. Any country that done a trade deal with US for years now has had to open up their markets for their disgusting food,that's every country. And like you say,you lot have boris negotiating so you can say hello to big pharma too. Also boris has said time and again this won't happen,that alone would make me worry,if I was youDisgusting food have you ever been there?
I lived there.
If you can pay for it,there is amazing produce.
I'm talking about US food standards,not the wide range of standard of food available on the US market,where you get what you pay for
I won't ask you have you been there,but I ask you are you aware of their food standards,like why they chlorinate their chicken,or the amount of pus they accept in milk,or drugs and hormones in their meet?Yes mate i worked out there too and if the beef down in Texas is hormone reared then im all for it. As for chlorinated chicken its washed in chlorine just like EU salad not harmful at all and thats only around 10% of it.Love the way you fall for the chlorine excuse it was a political decision for protectionist reasons nothing else and as for the milk i really haven't looked into it. "The chlorinated chicken is about animal welfare. They don’t have to clean out the animals if they chlorinate them before processing. They therefore live in their own shit. Lettuce and cucumber don’t shit! It’s just a cleaning process for safety. Not to be compared with a live animal in any way. US beef is “ mostly” reared in stock yards with feed over grass. They are also hormone fed to increase the amount of weight gain quicker so basically Frankenstein stuff. The USA has horrendous food poisoning record which from memory is around five to seven times as bad as ours. I don’t want any of that in my country. Feel free to go on holiday and eat away. | |||
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"The biggest problem is Joe Biden. He has been brought up to believe that he's Irish, and that England is to blame for almost everything. There will be no trade deal whilst he is in the White House. Not just biden but any democrat,Clinton played a big role in making it happen. But that's not saying even if a republican was in the white house that they would let boris fuck with it either. Maybe trump will run again? Trade deals tend to slant in favour of the larger state, except for ours where both Australia and New Zealand seem to have got the advantage. With those negotiating skills, how do we think things will work out whoever runs the US? Exactly. Any country that done a trade deal with US for years now has had to open up their markets for their disgusting food,that's every country. And like you say,you lot have boris negotiating so you can say hello to big pharma too. Also boris has said time and again this won't happen,that alone would make me worry,if I was youDisgusting food have you ever been there?
I lived there.
If you can pay for it,there is amazing produce.
I'm talking about US food standards,not the wide range of standard of food available on the US market,where you get what you pay for
I won't ask you have you been there,but I ask you are you aware of their food standards,like why they chlorinate their chicken,or the amount of pus they accept in milk,or drugs and hormones in their meet?Yes mate i worked out there too and if the beef down in Texas is hormone reared then im all for it. As for chlorinated chicken its washed in chlorine just like EU salad not harmful at all and thats only around 10% of it.Love the way you fall for the chlorine excuse it was a political decision for protectionist reasons nothing else and as for the milk i really haven't looked into it.
The chlorinated chicken is about animal welfare. They don’t have to clean out the animals if they chlorinate them before processing. They therefore live in their own shit. Lettuce and cucumber don’t shit! It’s just a cleaning process for safety. Not to be compared with a live animal in any way.
US beef is “ mostly” reared in stock yards with feed over grass. They are also hormone fed to increase the amount of weight gain quicker so basically Frankenstein stuff.
The USA has horrendous food poisoning record which from memory is around five to seven times as bad as ours. I don’t want any of that in my country.
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"The biggest problem is Joe Biden. He has been brought up to believe that he's Irish, and that England is to blame for almost everything. There will be no trade deal whilst he is in the White House. Not just biden but any democrat,Clinton played a big role in making it happen. But that's not saying even if a republican was in the white house that they would let boris fuck with it either. Maybe trump will run again? Trade deals tend to slant in favour of the larger state, except for ours where both Australia and New Zealand seem to have got the advantage. With those negotiating skills, how do we think things will work out whoever runs the US? Exactly. Any country that done a trade deal with US for years now has had to open up their markets for their disgusting food,that's every country. And like you say,you lot have boris negotiating so you can say hello to big pharma too. Also boris has said time and again this won't happen,that alone would make me worry,if I was youDisgusting food have you ever been there?
I lived there.
If you can pay for it,there is amazing produce.
I'm talking about US food standards,not the wide range of standard of food available on the US market,where you get what you pay for
I won't ask you have you been there,but I ask you are you aware of their food standards,like why they chlorinate their chicken,or the amount of pus they accept in milk,or drugs and hormones in their meet?Yes mate i worked out there too and if the beef down in Texas is hormone reared then im all for it. As for chlorinated chicken its washed in chlorine just like EU salad not harmful at all and thats only around 10% of it.Love the way you fall for the chlorine excuse it was a political decision for protectionist reasons nothing else and as for the milk i really haven't looked into it.
The chlorinated chicken is about animal welfare. They don’t have to clean out the animals if they chlorinate them before processing. They therefore live in their own shit. Lettuce and cucumber don’t shit! It’s just a cleaning process for safety. Not to be compared with a live animal in any way.
US beef is “ mostly” reared in stock yards with feed over grass. They are also hormone fed to increase the amount of weight gain quicker so basically Frankenstein stuff.
The USA has horrendous food poisoning record which from memory is around five to seven times as bad as ours. I don’t want any of that in my country.
Feel free to go on holiday and eat away. "I will mate i wont be starving myself, im surprised there are so many Americans going by these posts | |||
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"The biggest problem is Joe Biden. He has been brought up to believe that he's Irish, and that England is to blame for almost everything. There will be no trade deal whilst he is in the White House. Not just biden but any democrat,Clinton played a big role in making it happen. But that's not saying even if a republican was in the white house that they would let boris fuck with it either. Maybe trump will run again? Trade deals tend to slant in favour of the larger state, except for ours where both Australia and New Zealand seem to have got the advantage. With those negotiating skills, how do we think things will work out whoever runs the US? Exactly. Any country that done a trade deal with US for years now has had to open up their markets for their disgusting food,that's every country. And like you say,you lot have boris negotiating so you can say hello to big pharma too. Also boris has said time and again this won't happen,that alone would make me worry,if I was youDisgusting food have you ever been there?
I lived there.
If you can pay for it,there is amazing produce.
I'm talking about US food standards,not the wide range of standard of food available on the US market,where you get what you pay for
I won't ask you have you been there,but I ask you are you aware of their food standards,like why they chlorinate their chicken,or the amount of pus they accept in milk,or drugs and hormones in their meet?Yes mate i worked out there too and if the beef down in Texas is hormone reared then im all for it. As for chlorinated chicken its washed in chlorine just like EU salad not harmful at all and thats only around 10% of it.Love the way you fall for the chlorine excuse it was a political decision for protectionist reasons nothing else and as for the milk i really haven't looked into it.
The chlorinated chicken is about animal welfare. They don’t have to clean out the animals if they chlorinate them before processing. They therefore live in their own shit. Lettuce and cucumber don’t shit! It’s just a cleaning process for safety. Not to be compared with a live animal in any way.
US beef is “ mostly” reared in stock yards with feed over grass. They are also hormone fed to increase the amount of weight gain quicker so basically Frankenstein stuff.
The USA has horrendous food poisoning record which from memory is around five to seven times as bad as ours. I don’t want any of that in my country.
Feel free to go on holiday and eat away. is it worse than in Asia and Africa ?"It is worse than our standards. It doesn't matter how it compares to anywhere else. If a trade deal with any country requires a reduction in our food safety standards and leads to more illness is that acceptable? | |||
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"I am feeling somewhat positive on the idea of by-passing the national administration and going direct to targeted states … Please present alternative/balanced/negative views please … TIA
What's the latest on importing hormone treated meat and dairy products, or the pharmaceutical industry buying into British healthcare?
Why always the rush to go low?
What rush, is there a minimum time before we're allowed to ask questions on these threads?
These are important issues for me, so I'm interested in what the latest is.
A debating balance would have been to find the pros and cons not just try and attempt a crack at the cons.it’s standard on here to look only for the cons it’s just there nature half empty "It's all very well complaining about being negative, but no positives have been provided except by me. State taxes could be reduced on UK companies in some way, perhaps. How would we reciprocate of any US company can register in any US state? What are the pros of "trade deals" with individual US states that do not alter tariffs or quotas? | |||
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"The biggest problem is Joe Biden. He has been brought up to believe that he's Irish, and that England is to blame for almost everything. There will be no trade deal whilst he is in the White House. Not just biden but any democrat,Clinton played a big role in making it happen. But that's not saying even if a republican was in the white house that they would let boris fuck with it either. Maybe trump will run again? Trade deals tend to slant in favour of the larger state, except for ours where both Australia and New Zealand seem to have got the advantage. With those negotiating skills, how do we think things will work out whoever runs the US? Exactly. Any country that done a trade deal with US for years now has had to open up their markets for their disgusting food,that's every country. And like you say,you lot have boris negotiating so you can say hello to big pharma too. Also boris has said time and again this won't happen,that alone would make me worry,if I was youDisgusting food have you ever been there?
I lived there.
If you can pay for it,there is amazing produce.
I'm talking about US food standards,not the wide range of standard of food available on the US market,where you get what you pay for
I won't ask you have you been there,but I ask you are you aware of their food standards,like why they chlorinate their chicken,or the amount of pus they accept in milk,or drugs and hormones in their meet?Yes mate i worked out there too and if the beef down in Texas is hormone reared then im all for it. As for chlorinated chicken its washed in chlorine just like EU salad not harmful at all and thats only around 10% of it.Love the way you fall for the chlorine excuse it was a political decision for protectionist reasons nothing else and as for the milk i really haven't looked into it.
The chlorinated chicken is about animal welfare. They don’t have to clean out the animals if they chlorinate them before processing. They therefore live in their own shit. Lettuce and cucumber don’t shit! It’s just a cleaning process for safety. Not to be compared with a live animal in any way.
US beef is “ mostly” reared in stock yards with feed over grass. They are also hormone fed to increase the amount of weight gain quicker so basically Frankenstein stuff.
The USA has horrendous food poisoning record which from memory is around five to seven times as bad as ours. I don’t want any of that in my country.
Feel free to go on holiday and eat away. is it worse than in Asia and Africa ?
It is worse than our standards. It doesn't matter how it compares to anywhere else.
If a trade deal with any country requires a reduction in our food safety standards and leads to more illness is that acceptable?"Of course not but does anyone have any proof that we will be importing sub standard food? if so can you point me to the link and not just speculations actual proof. | |||
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"The biggest problem is Joe Biden. He has been brought up to believe that he's Irish, and that England is to blame for almost everything. There will be no trade deal whilst he is in the White House. Not just biden but any democrat,Clinton played a big role in making it happen. But that's not saying even if a republican was in the white house that they would let boris fuck with it either. Maybe trump will run again? Trade deals tend to slant in favour of the larger state, except for ours where both Australia and New Zealand seem to have got the advantage. With those negotiating skills, how do we think things will work out whoever runs the US? Exactly. Any country that done a trade deal with US for years now has had to open up their markets for their disgusting food,that's every country. And like you say,you lot have boris negotiating so you can say hello to big pharma too. Also boris has said time and again this won't happen,that alone would make me worry,if I was youDisgusting food have you ever been there?
I lived there.
If you can pay for it,there is amazing produce.
I'm talking about US food standards,not the wide range of standard of food available on the US market,where you get what you pay for
I won't ask you have you been there,but I ask you are you aware of their food standards,like why they chlorinate their chicken,or the amount of pus they accept in milk,or drugs and hormones in their meet?Yes mate i worked out there too and if the beef down in Texas is hormone reared then im all for it. As for chlorinated chicken its washed in chlorine just like EU salad not harmful at all and thats only around 10% of it.Love the way you fall for the chlorine excuse it was a political decision for protectionist reasons nothing else and as for the milk i really haven't looked into it.
The chlorinated chicken is about animal welfare. They don’t have to clean out the animals if they chlorinate them before processing. They therefore live in their own shit. Lettuce and cucumber don’t shit! It’s just a cleaning process for safety. Not to be compared with a live animal in any way.
US beef is “ mostly” reared in stock yards with feed over grass. They are also hormone fed to increase the amount of weight gain quicker so basically Frankenstein stuff.
The USA has horrendous food poisoning record which from memory is around five to seven times as bad as ours. I don’t want any of that in my country.
Feel free to go on holiday and eat away. is it worse than in Asia and Africa ?
It is worse than our standards. It doesn't matter how it compares to anywhere else.
If a trade deal with any country requires a reduction in our food safety standards and leads to more illness is that acceptable?Of course not but does anyone have any proof that we will be importing sub standard food? if so can you point me to the link and not just speculations actual proof."Nope. This is speculative, like the rest of the thread. The precedent to date is that this is what happens. This you can look up with other US trade agreements. What will make the UK the exception? What do we have that the US want so badly that they will cave on what is such a significant point to so many US politicians who would have to pass this legislation? | |||
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"The biggest problem is Joe Biden. He has been brought up to believe that he's Irish, and that England is to blame for almost everything. There will be no trade deal whilst he is in the White House. Not just biden but any democrat,Clinton played a big role in making it happen. But that's not saying even if a republican was in the white house that they would let boris fuck with it either. Maybe trump will run again? Trade deals tend to slant in favour of the larger state, except for ours where both Australia and New Zealand seem to have got the advantage. With those negotiating skills, how do we think things will work out whoever runs the US? Exactly. Any country that done a trade deal with US for years now has had to open up their markets for their disgusting food,that's every country. And like you say,you lot have boris negotiating so you can say hello to big pharma too. Also boris has said time and again this won't happen,that alone would make me worry,if I was youDisgusting food have you ever been there?
I lived there.
If you can pay for it,there is amazing produce.
I'm talking about US food standards,not the wide range of standard of food available on the US market,where you get what you pay for
I won't ask you have you been there,but I ask you are you aware of their food standards,like why they chlorinate their chicken,or the amount of pus they accept in milk,or drugs and hormones in their meet?Yes mate i worked out there too and if the beef down in Texas is hormone reared then im all for it. As for chlorinated chicken its washed in chlorine just like EU salad not harmful at all and thats only around 10% of it.Love the way you fall for the chlorine excuse it was a political decision for protectionist reasons nothing else and as for the milk i really haven't looked into it.
The chlorinated chicken is about animal welfare. They don’t have to clean out the animals if they chlorinate them before processing. They therefore live in their own shit. Lettuce and cucumber don’t shit! It’s just a cleaning process for safety. Not to be compared with a live animal in any way.
US beef is “ mostly” reared in stock yards with feed over grass. They are also hormone fed to increase the amount of weight gain quicker so basically Frankenstein stuff.
The USA has horrendous food poisoning record which from memory is around five to seven times as bad as ours. I don’t want any of that in my country.
Feel free to go on holiday and eat away. is it worse than in Asia and Africa ?
It is worse than our standards. It doesn't matter how it compares to anywhere else.
If a trade deal with any country requires a reduction in our food safety standards and leads to more illness is that acceptable?Of course not but does anyone have any proof that we will be importing sub standard food? if so can you point me to the link and not just speculations actual proof.
Nope. This is speculative, like the rest of the thread.
The precedent to date is that this is what happens. This you can look up with other US trade agreements. What will make the UK the exception? What do we have that the US want so badly that they will cave on what is such a significant point to so many US politicians who would have to pass this legislation?"Exactly just another thread like the ones before we left the eu speculative, did the planes stop flying, long queues at holiday destinations and numerous other claims by doomsday prophets? nope.  | |||
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"The biggest problem is Joe Biden. He has been brought up to believe that he's Irish, and that England is to blame for almost everything. There will be no trade deal whilst he is in the White House. Not just biden but any democrat,Clinton played a big role in making it happen. But that's not saying even if a republican was in the white house that they would let boris fuck with it either. Maybe trump will run again? Trade deals tend to slant in favour of the larger state, except for ours where both Australia and New Zealand seem to have got the advantage. With those negotiating skills, how do we think things will work out whoever runs the US? Exactly. Any country that done a trade deal with US for years now has had to open up their markets for their disgusting food,that's every country. And like you say,you lot have boris negotiating so you can say hello to big pharma too. Also boris has said time and again this won't happen,that alone would make me worry,if I was youDisgusting food have you ever been there?
I lived there.
If you can pay for it,there is amazing produce.
I'm talking about US food standards,not the wide range of standard of food available on the US market,where you get what you pay for
I won't ask you have you been there,but I ask you are you aware of their food standards,like why they chlorinate their chicken,or the amount of pus they accept in milk,or drugs and hormones in their meet?
US food safety standards are atrocious.
is it worse than most other countries I’d think not "You should read up on it. It's fucking horrific. | |||
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"The biggest problem is Joe Biden. He has been brought up to believe that he's Irish, and that England is to blame for almost everything. There will be no trade deal whilst he is in the White House. Not just biden but any democrat,Clinton played a big role in making it happen. But that's not saying even if a republican was in the white house that they would let boris fuck with it either. Maybe trump will run again? Trade deals tend to slant in favour of the larger state, except for ours where both Australia and New Zealand seem to have got the advantage. With those negotiating skills, how do we think things will work out whoever runs the US? Exactly. Any country that done a trade deal with US for years now has had to open up their markets for their disgusting food,that's every country. And like you say,you lot have boris negotiating so you can say hello to big pharma too. Also boris has said time and again this won't happen,that alone would make me worry,if I was youDisgusting food have you ever been there?
I lived there.
If you can pay for it,there is amazing produce.
I'm talking about US food standards,not the wide range of standard of food available on the US market,where you get what you pay for
I won't ask you have you been there,but I ask you are you aware of their food standards,like why they chlorinate their chicken,or the amount of pus they accept in milk,or drugs and hormones in their meet?Yes mate i worked out there too and if the beef down in Texas is hormone reared then im all for it. As for chlorinated chicken its washed in chlorine just like EU salad not harmful at all and thats only around 10% of it.Love the way you fall for the chlorine excuse it was a political decision for protectionist reasons nothing else and as for the milk i really haven't looked into it. "Totally wrong The problem isn't in the chlorine wash itself,it's in the bad standards of disease control of the chickens life that that chlorine wash is trying,and failing,to wash away. As in they are often diseased chicken washing in chlorine But if you are happy with u.s. food standards that's up to you,it is you who will be eating it | |||
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"The biggest problem is Joe Biden. He has been brought up to believe that he's Irish, and that England is to blame for almost everything. There will be no trade deal whilst he is in the White House. Not just biden but any democrat,Clinton played a big role in making it happen. But that's not saying even if a republican was in the white house that they would let boris fuck with it either. Maybe trump will run again? Trade deals tend to slant in favour of the larger state, except for ours where both Australia and New Zealand seem to have got the advantage. With those negotiating skills, how do we think things will work out whoever runs the US? Exactly. Any country that done a trade deal with US for years now has had to open up their markets for their disgusting food,that's every country. And like you say,you lot have boris negotiating so you can say hello to big pharma too. Also boris has said time and again this won't happen,that alone would make me worry,if I was youDisgusting food have you ever been there?
I lived there.
If you can pay for it,there is amazing produce.
I'm talking about US food standards,not the wide range of standard of food available on the US market,where you get what you pay for
I won't ask you have you been there,but I ask you are you aware of their food standards,like why they chlorinate their chicken,or the amount of pus they accept in milk,or drugs and hormones in their meet?Yes mate i worked out there too and if the beef down in Texas is hormone reared then im all for it. As for chlorinated chicken its washed in chlorine just like EU salad not harmful at all and thats only around 10% of it.Love the way you fall for the chlorine excuse it was a political decision for protectionist reasons nothing else and as for the milk i really haven't looked into it.
Totally wrong
The problem isn't in the chlorine wash itself,it's in the bad standards of disease control of the chickens life that that chlorine wash is trying,and failing,to wash away.
As in they are often diseased chicken washing in chlorine
But if you are happy with u.s. food standards that's up to you,it is you who will be eating it "There are a few problems. He might be interested in eating shit quality food that's dangerous to his health, but others who aren't, won't have a choice. To keep British producers competitive, they will have to use the same growth hormones and severely reduce their standards. Which presumably means we won't be able to export any food produce to the EU. Lose/lose. Unless you like shit quality food and think brexit is a good idea despite the reality of brexit. | |||
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"The biggest problem is Joe Biden. He has been brought up to believe that he's Irish, and that England is to blame for almost everything. There will be no trade deal whilst he is in the White House. Not just biden but any democrat,Clinton played a big role in making it happen. But that's not saying even if a republican was in the white house that they would let boris fuck with it either. Maybe trump will run again? Trade deals tend to slant in favour of the larger state, except for ours where both Australia and New Zealand seem to have got the advantage. With those negotiating skills, how do we think things will work out whoever runs the US? Exactly. Any country that done a trade deal with US for years now has had to open up their markets for their disgusting food,that's every country. And like you say,you lot have boris negotiating so you can say hello to big pharma too. Also boris has said time and again this won't happen,that alone would make me worry,if I was youDisgusting food have you ever been there?
I lived there.
If you can pay for it,there is amazing produce.
I'm talking about US food standards,not the wide range of standard of food available on the US market,where you get what you pay for
I won't ask you have you been there,but I ask you are you aware of their food standards,like why they chlorinate their chicken,or the amount of pus they accept in milk,or drugs and hormones in their meet?Yes mate i worked out there too and if the beef down in Texas is hormone reared then im all for it. As for chlorinated chicken its washed in chlorine just like EU salad not harmful at all and thats only around 10% of it.Love the way you fall for the chlorine excuse it was a political decision for protectionist reasons nothing else and as for the milk i really haven't looked into it.
The chlorinated chicken is about animal welfare. They don’t have to clean out the animals if they chlorinate them before processing. They therefore live in their own shit. Lettuce and cucumber don’t shit! It’s just a cleaning process for safety. Not to be compared with a live animal in any way.
US beef is “ mostly” reared in stock yards with feed over grass. They are also hormone fed to increase the amount of weight gain quicker so basically Frankenstein stuff.
The USA has horrendous food poisoning record which from memory is around five to seven times as bad as ours. I don’t want any of that in my country.
Feel free to go on holiday and eat away. is it worse than in Asia and Africa ?
It is worse than our standards. It doesn't matter how it compares to anywhere else.
If a trade deal with any country requires a reduction in our food safety standards and leads to more illness is that acceptable?Of course not but does anyone have any proof that we will be importing sub standard food? if so can you point me to the link and not just speculations actual proof.
Nope. This is speculative, like the rest of the thread.
The precedent to date is that this is what happens. This you can look up with other US trade agreements. What will make the UK the exception? What do we have that the US want so badly that they will cave on what is such a significant point to so many US politicians who would have to pass this legislation?Exactly just another thread like the ones before we left the eu speculative, did the planes stop flying, long queues at holiday destinations and numerous other claims by doomsday prophets? nope. "Did we hold all the cards? , was it the easiest deal in history ? did the NHS get an extra £350 million a week, did it stop migrants crossing the channel ? Nope | |||
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"The biggest problem is Joe Biden. He has been brought up to believe that he's Irish, and that England is to blame for almost everything. There will be no trade deal whilst he is in the White House. Not just biden but any democrat,Clinton played a big role in making it happen. But that's not saying even if a republican was in the white house that they would let boris fuck with it either. Maybe trump will run again? Trade deals tend to slant in favour of the larger state, except for ours where both Australia and New Zealand seem to have got the advantage. With those negotiating skills, how do we think things will work out whoever runs the US? Exactly. Any country that done a trade deal with US for years now has had to open up their markets for their disgusting food,that's every country. And like you say,you lot have boris negotiating so you can say hello to big pharma too. Also boris has said time and again this won't happen,that alone would make me worry,if I was youDisgusting food have you ever been there?
I lived there.
If you can pay for it,there is amazing produce.
I'm talking about US food standards,not the wide range of standard of food available on the US market,where you get what you pay for
I won't ask you have you been there,but I ask you are you aware of their food standards,like why they chlorinate their chicken,or the amount of pus they accept in milk,or drugs and hormones in their meet?Yes mate i worked out there too and if the beef down in Texas is hormone reared then im all for it. As for chlorinated chicken its washed in chlorine just like EU salad not harmful at all and thats only around 10% of it.Love the way you fall for the chlorine excuse it was a political decision for protectionist reasons nothing else and as for the milk i really haven't looked into it.
The chlorinated chicken is about animal welfare. They don’t have to clean out the animals if they chlorinate them before processing. They therefore live in their own shit. Lettuce and cucumber don’t shit! It’s just a cleaning process for safety. Not to be compared with a live animal in any way.
US beef is “ mostly” reared in stock yards with feed over grass. They are also hormone fed to increase the amount of weight gain quicker so basically Frankenstein stuff.
The USA has horrendous food poisoning record which from memory is around five to seven times as bad as ours. I don’t want any of that in my country.
Feel free to go on holiday and eat away. is it worse than in Asia and Africa ?
It is worse than our standards. It doesn't matter how it compares to anywhere else.
If a trade deal with any country requires a reduction in our food safety standards and leads to more illness is that acceptable?Of course not but does anyone have any proof that we will be importing sub standard food? if so can you point me to the link and not just speculations actual proof.
Nope. This is speculative, like the rest of the thread.
The precedent to date is that this is what happens. This you can look up with other US trade agreements. What will make the UK the exception? What do we have that the US want so badly that they will cave on what is such a significant point to so many US politicians who would have to pass this legislation?Exactly just another thread like the ones before we left the eu speculative, did the planes stop flying, long queues at holiday destinations and numerous other claims by doomsday prophets? nope. "Actually, a lot of the concerns over Brexit have come to pass for both UK importers and exporters. All of the regulations haven't even been put in place. The UK still has an open inward border with the EU. However, nobody has been able to explain what the benefit of this "trade deal" with individual US states is. Is our trade policy based on speculation? | |||
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"The biggest problem is Joe Biden. He has been brought up to believe that he's Irish, and that England is to blame for almost everything. There will be no trade deal whilst he is in the White House. Not just biden but any democrat,Clinton played a big role in making it happen. But that's not saying even if a republican was in the white house that they would let boris fuck with it either. Maybe trump will run again? Trade deals tend to slant in favour of the larger state, except for ours where both Australia and New Zealand seem to have got the advantage. With those negotiating skills, how do we think things will work out whoever runs the US? Exactly. Any country that done a trade deal with US for years now has had to open up their markets for their disgusting food,that's every country. And like you say,you lot have boris negotiating so you can say hello to big pharma too. Also boris has said time and again this won't happen,that alone would make me worry,if I was youDisgusting food have you ever been there?
I lived there.
If you can pay for it,there is amazing produce.
I'm talking about US food standards,not the wide range of standard of food available on the US market,where you get what you pay for
I won't ask you have you been there,but I ask you are you aware of their food standards,like why they chlorinate their chicken,or the amount of pus they accept in milk,or drugs and hormones in their meet?Yes mate i worked out there too and if the beef down in Texas is hormone reared then im all for it. As for chlorinated chicken its washed in chlorine just like EU salad not harmful at all and thats only around 10% of it.Love the way you fall for the chlorine excuse it was a political decision for protectionist reasons nothing else and as for the milk i really haven't looked into it.
Totally wrong
The problem isn't in the chlorine wash itself,it's in the bad standards of disease control of the chickens life that that chlorine wash is trying,and failing,to wash away.
As in they are often diseased chicken washing in chlorine
But if you are happy with u.s. food standards that's up to you,it is you who will be eating it
There are a few problems.
He might be interested in eating shit quality food that's dangerous to his health, but others who aren't, won't have a choice.
To keep British producers competitive, they will have to use the same growth hormones and severely reduce their standards. Which presumably means we won't be able to export any food produce to the EU.
Lose/lose. Unless you like shit quality food and think brexit is a good idea despite the reality of brexit. "do you consider the food standards of countries before you holiday there ? Personally it never crossed my mind | |||
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"The biggest problem is Joe Biden. He has been brought up to believe that he's Irish, and that England is to blame for almost everything. There will be no trade deal whilst he is in the White House. Not just biden but any democrat,Clinton played a big role in making it happen. But that's not saying even if a republican was in the white house that they would let boris fuck with it either. Maybe trump will run again? Trade deals tend to slant in favour of the larger state, except for ours where both Australia and New Zealand seem to have got the advantage. With those negotiating skills, how do we think things will work out whoever runs the US? Exactly. Any country that done a trade deal with US for years now has had to open up their markets for their disgusting food,that's every country. And like you say,you lot have boris negotiating so you can say hello to big pharma too. Also boris has said time and again this won't happen,that alone would make me worry,if I was youDisgusting food have you ever been there?
I lived there.
If you can pay for it,there is amazing produce.
I'm talking about US food standards,not the wide range of standard of food available on the US market,where you get what you pay for
I won't ask you have you been there,but I ask you are you aware of their food standards,like why they chlorinate their chicken,or the amount of pus they accept in milk,or drugs and hormones in their meet?Yes mate i worked out there too and if the beef down in Texas is hormone reared then im all for it. As for chlorinated chicken its washed in chlorine just like EU salad not harmful at all and thats only around 10% of it.Love the way you fall for the chlorine excuse it was a political decision for protectionist reasons nothing else and as for the milk i really haven't looked into it.
The chlorinated chicken is about animal welfare. They don’t have to clean out the animals if they chlorinate them before processing. They therefore live in their own shit. Lettuce and cucumber don’t shit! It’s just a cleaning process for safety. Not to be compared with a live animal in any way.
US beef is “ mostly” reared in stock yards with feed over grass. They are also hormone fed to increase the amount of weight gain quicker so basically Frankenstein stuff.
The USA has horrendous food poisoning record which from memory is around five to seven times as bad as ours. I don’t want any of that in my country.
Feel free to go on holiday and eat away. is it worse than in Asia and Africa ?"No. But we don’t aspire to African or asian standards for anything much do we? So what’s the point? | |||
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"The biggest problem is Joe Biden. He has been brought up to believe that he's Irish, and that England is to blame for almost everything. There will be no trade deal whilst he is in the White House. Not just biden but any democrat,Clinton played a big role in making it happen. But that's not saying even if a republican was in the white house that they would let boris fuck with it either. Maybe trump will run again? Trade deals tend to slant in favour of the larger state, except for ours where both Australia and New Zealand seem to have got the advantage. With those negotiating skills, how do we think things will work out whoever runs the US? Exactly. Any country that done a trade deal with US for years now has had to open up their markets for their disgusting food,that's every country. And like you say,you lot have boris negotiating so you can say hello to big pharma too. Also boris has said time and again this won't happen,that alone would make me worry,if I was youDisgusting food have you ever been there?
I lived there.
If you can pay for it,there is amazing produce.
I'm talking about US food standards,not the wide range of standard of food available on the US market,where you get what you pay for
I won't ask you have you been there,but I ask you are you aware of their food standards,like why they chlorinate their chicken,or the amount of pus they accept in milk,or drugs and hormones in their meet?Yes mate i worked out there too and if the beef down in Texas is hormone reared then im all for it. As for chlorinated chicken its washed in chlorine just like EU salad not harmful at all and thats only around 10% of it.Love the way you fall for the chlorine excuse it was a political decision for protectionist reasons nothing else and as for the milk i really haven't looked into it.
The chlorinated chicken is about animal welfare. They don’t have to clean out the animals if they chlorinate them before processing. They therefore live in their own shit. Lettuce and cucumber don’t shit! It’s just a cleaning process for safety. Not to be compared with a live animal in any way.
US beef is “ mostly” reared in stock yards with feed over grass. They are also hormone fed to increase the amount of weight gain quicker so basically Frankenstein stuff.
The USA has horrendous food poisoning record which from memory is around five to seven times as bad as ours. I don’t want any of that in my country.
Feel free to go on holiday and eat away. I will mate i wont be starving myself, im surprised there are so many Americans going by these posts "Sadly a large number die due to food poisoning and a very large number end up in hospital. In some states they are trying to clamp down but historically it’s on the individual to prove the food’s unsafe not for the company producing to prove it is safe. . That is slowly changing but corporate America pays the politicians so don’t hold your breath . Btw would you rather wait for the imports to start before you agree its a bad thing or would you rather our government simply stated they will not be allowed. Something that is sadly missing in any concrete way. Even Reece Mogg had to agree the imports from Australia will be their standards not ours as we won’t be checking. Not good is it. Hormones are used in Australia food. Not chlorine chicken as far as I know. | |||
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"The biggest problem is Joe Biden. He has been brought up to believe that he's Irish, and that England is to blame for almost everything. There will be no trade deal whilst he is in the White House. Not just biden but any democrat,Clinton played a big role in making it happen. But that's not saying even if a republican was in the white house that they would let boris fuck with it either. Maybe trump will run again? Trade deals tend to slant in favour of the larger state, except for ours where both Australia and New Zealand seem to have got the advantage. With those negotiating skills, how do we think things will work out whoever runs the US? Exactly. Any country that done a trade deal with US for years now has had to open up their markets for their disgusting food,that's every country. And like you say,you lot have boris negotiating so you can say hello to big pharma too. Also boris has said time and again this won't happen,that alone would make me worry,if I was youDisgusting food have you ever been there?
I lived there.
If you can pay for it,there is amazing produce.
I'm talking about US food standards,not the wide range of standard of food available on the US market,where you get what you pay for
I won't ask you have you been there,but I ask you are you aware of their food standards,like why they chlorinate their chicken,or the amount of pus they accept in milk,or drugs and hormones in their meet?Yes mate i worked out there too and if the beef down in Texas is hormone reared then im all for it. As for chlorinated chicken its washed in chlorine just like EU salad not harmful at all and thats only around 10% of it.Love the way you fall for the chlorine excuse it was a political decision for protectionist reasons nothing else and as for the milk i really haven't looked into it.
Totally wrong
The problem isn't in the chlorine wash itself,it's in the bad standards of disease control of the chickens life that that chlorine wash is trying,and failing,to wash away.
As in they are often diseased chicken washing in chlorine
But if you are happy with u.s. food standards that's up to you,it is you who will be eating it
There are a few problems.
He might be interested in eating shit quality food that's dangerous to his health, but others who aren't, won't have a choice.
To keep British producers competitive, they will have to use the same growth hormones and severely reduce their standards. Which presumably means we won't be able to export any food produce to the EU.
Lose/lose. Unless you like shit quality food and think brexit is a good idea despite the reality of brexit. do you consider the food standards of countries before you holiday there ? Personally it never crossed my mind "You might want to think a bit before eating street food in some places as there are no standards . You just take your chances | |||
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" Is our trade policy based on speculation?" Surely old chap you recognise that our entire economy is based on speculation! Remember the banks that were too big to fail? | |||
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"Rolling Rock, blooming lovely but so hard to obtain, so yes please on a deal on it. Really struggling on anything else. What is rolling rock?" Beer, and it's one of the US best brews. | |||
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"The biggest problem is Joe Biden. He has been brought up to believe that he's Irish, and that England is to blame for almost everything. There will be no trade deal whilst he is in the White House. Not just biden but any democrat,Clinton played a big role in making it happen. But that's not saying even if a republican was in the white house that they would let boris fuck with it either. Maybe trump will run again? Trade deals tend to slant in favour of the larger state, except for ours where both Australia and New Zealand seem to have got the advantage. With those negotiating skills, how do we think things will work out whoever runs the US? Exactly. Any country that done a trade deal with US for years now has had to open up their markets for their disgusting food,that's every country. And like you say,you lot have boris negotiating so you can say hello to big pharma too. Also boris has said time and again this won't happen,that alone would make me worry,if I was youDisgusting food have you ever been there?
I lived there.
If you can pay for it,there is amazing produce.
I'm talking about US food standards,not the wide range of standard of food available on the US market,where you get what you pay for
I won't ask you have you been there,but I ask you are you aware of their food standards,like why they chlorinate their chicken,or the amount of pus they accept in milk,or drugs and hormones in their meet?Yes mate i worked out there too and if the beef down in Texas is hormone reared then im all for it. As for chlorinated chicken its washed in chlorine just like EU salad not harmful at all and thats only around 10% of it.Love the way you fall for the chlorine excuse it was a political decision for protectionist reasons nothing else and as for the milk i really haven't looked into it.
Totally wrong
The problem isn't in the chlorine wash itself,it's in the bad standards of disease control of the chickens life that that chlorine wash is trying,and failing,to wash away.
As in they are often diseased chicken washing in chlorine
But if you are happy with u.s. food standards that's up to you,it is you who will be eating it
There are a few problems.
He might be interested in eating shit quality food that's dangerous to his health, but others who aren't, won't have a choice.
To keep British producers competitive, they will have to use the same growth hormones and severely reduce their standards. Which presumably means we won't be able to export any food produce to the EU.
Lose/lose. Unless you like shit quality food and think brexit is a good idea despite the reality of brexit. do you consider the food standards of countries before you holiday there ? Personally it never crossed my mind
You might want to think a bit before eating street food in some places as there are no standards . You just take your chances "exactly that doesn’t stop millions of tourists visiting these countries same with the USA but never miss a chance of a good old winge about the USA eh lol | |||
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"The biggest problem is Joe Biden. He has been brought up to believe that he's Irish, and that England is to blame for almost everything. There will be no trade deal whilst he is in the White House. Not just biden but any democrat,Clinton played a big role in making it happen. But that's not saying even if a republican was in the white house that they would let boris fuck with it either. Maybe trump will run again? Trade deals tend to slant in favour of the larger state, except for ours where both Australia and New Zealand seem to have got the advantage. With those negotiating skills, how do we think things will work out whoever runs the US? Exactly. Any country that done a trade deal with US for years now has had to open up their markets for their disgusting food,that's every country. And like you say,you lot have boris negotiating so you can say hello to big pharma too. Also boris has said time and again this won't happen,that alone would make me worry,if I was youDisgusting food have you ever been there?
I lived there.
If you can pay for it,there is amazing produce.
I'm talking about US food standards,not the wide range of standard of food available on the US market,where you get what you pay for
I won't ask you have you been there,but I ask you are you aware of their food standards,like why they chlorinate their chicken,or the amount of pus they accept in milk,or drugs and hormones in their meet?Yes mate i worked out there too and if the beef down in Texas is hormone reared then im all for it. As for chlorinated chicken its washed in chlorine just like EU salad not harmful at all and thats only around 10% of it.Love the way you fall for the chlorine excuse it was a political decision for protectionist reasons nothing else and as for the milk i really haven't looked into it.
The chlorinated chicken is about animal welfare. They don’t have to clean out the animals if they chlorinate them before processing. They therefore live in their own shit. Lettuce and cucumber don’t shit! It’s just a cleaning process for safety. Not to be compared with a live animal in any way.
US beef is “ mostly” reared in stock yards with feed over grass. They are also hormone fed to increase the amount of weight gain quicker so basically Frankenstein stuff.
The USA has horrendous food poisoning record which from memory is around five to seven times as bad as ours. I don’t want any of that in my country.
Feel free to go on holiday and eat away. is it worse than in Asia and Africa ?
It is worse than our standards. It doesn't matter how it compares to anywhere else.
If a trade deal with any country requires a reduction in our food safety standards and leads to more illness is that acceptable?Of course not but does anyone have any proof that we will be importing sub standard food? if so can you point me to the link and not just speculations actual proof.
Nope. This is speculative, like the rest of the thread.
The precedent to date is that this is what happens. This you can look up with other US trade agreements. What will make the UK the exception? What do we have that the US want so badly that they will cave on what is such a significant point to so many US politicians who would have to pass this legislation?Exactly just another thread like the ones before we left the eu speculative, did the planes stop flying, long queues at holiday destinations and numerous other claims by doomsday prophets? nope.
Actually, a lot of the concerns over Brexit have come to pass for both UK importers and exporters. All of the regulations haven't even been put in place. The UK still has an open inward border with the EU.
However, nobody has been able to explain what the benefit of this "trade deal" with individual US states is.
Is our trade policy based on speculation?"Probably because no one has seen the details but as usual the doom and gloom mongers jump on the bandwagon " sub standard food, chlorinated chicken" when in reality as you pointed out yourself its all speculation. How can anyone give any benefits when they dont have the details? but that does not seem to bother the doom mongers they just keep posting the same old crap when in reality they have not got a clue either. | |||
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"The biggest problem is Joe Biden. He has been brought up to believe that he's Irish, and that England is to blame for almost everything. There will be no trade deal whilst he is in the White House. Not just biden but any democrat,Clinton played a big role in making it happen. But that's not saying even if a republican was in the white house that they would let boris fuck with it either. Maybe trump will run again? Trade deals tend to slant in favour of the larger state, except for ours where both Australia and New Zealand seem to have got the advantage. With those negotiating skills, how do we think things will work out whoever runs the US? Exactly. Any country that done a trade deal with US for years now has had to open up their markets for their disgusting food,that's every country. And like you say,you lot have boris negotiating so you can say hello to big pharma too. Also boris has said time and again this won't happen,that alone would make me worry,if I was youDisgusting food have you ever been there?
I lived there.
If you can pay for it,there is amazing produce.
I'm talking about US food standards,not the wide range of standard of food available on the US market,where you get what you pay for
I won't ask you have you been there,but I ask you are you aware of their food standards,like why they chlorinate their chicken,or the amount of pus they accept in milk,or drugs and hormones in their meet?Yes mate i worked out there too and if the beef down in Texas is hormone reared then im all for it. As for chlorinated chicken its washed in chlorine just like EU salad not harmful at all and thats only around 10% of it.Love the way you fall for the chlorine excuse it was a political decision for protectionist reasons nothing else and as for the milk i really haven't looked into it.
Totally wrong
The problem isn't in the chlorine wash itself,it's in the bad standards of disease control of the chickens life that that chlorine wash is trying,and failing,to wash away.
As in they are often diseased chicken washing in chlorine
But if you are happy with u.s. food standards that's up to you,it is you who will be eating it
There are a few problems.
He might be interested in eating shit quality food that's dangerous to his health, but others who aren't, won't have a choice.
To keep British producers competitive, they will have to use the same growth hormones and severely reduce their standards. Which presumably means we won't be able to export any food produce to the EU.
Lose/lose. Unless you like shit quality food and think brexit is a good idea despite the reality of brexit. do you consider the food standards of countries before you holiday there ? Personally it never crossed my mind
You might want to think a bit before eating street food in some places as there are no standards . You just take your chances exactly that doesn’t stop millions of tourists visiting these countries same with the USA but never miss a chance of a good old winge about the USA eh lol"Amazing country apart from the gun owning madness oh and chronic racism but eating for a couple of weeks is unlikely to hurt you long term. Eating their dodgy food long term is a different issue. | |||
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"The biggest problem is Joe Biden. He has been brought up to believe that he's Irish, and that England is to blame for almost everything. There will be no trade deal whilst he is in the White House. Not just biden but any democrat,Clinton played a big role in making it happen. But that's not saying even if a republican was in the white house that they would let boris fuck with it either. Maybe trump will run again? Trade deals tend to slant in favour of the larger state, except for ours where both Australia and New Zealand seem to have got the advantage. With those negotiating skills, how do we think things will work out whoever runs the US? Exactly. Any country that done a trade deal with US for years now has had to open up their markets for their disgusting food,that's every country. And like you say,you lot have boris negotiating so you can say hello to big pharma too. Also boris has said time and again this won't happen,that alone would make me worry,if I was youDisgusting food have you ever been there?
I lived there.
If you can pay for it,there is amazing produce.
I'm talking about US food standards,not the wide range of standard of food available on the US market,where you get what you pay for
I won't ask you have you been there,but I ask you are you aware of their food standards,like why they chlorinate their chicken,or the amount of pus they accept in milk,or drugs and hormones in their meet?Yes mate i worked out there too and if the beef down in Texas is hormone reared then im all for it. As for chlorinated chicken its washed in chlorine just like EU salad not harmful at all and thats only around 10% of it.Love the way you fall for the chlorine excuse it was a political decision for protectionist reasons nothing else and as for the milk i really haven't looked into it.
Totally wrong
The problem isn't in the chlorine wash itself,it's in the bad standards of disease control of the chickens life that that chlorine wash is trying,and failing,to wash away.
As in they are often diseased chicken washing in chlorine
But if you are happy with u.s. food standards that's up to you,it is you who will be eating it
There are a few problems.
He might be interested in eating shit quality food that's dangerous to his health, but others who aren't, won't have a choice.
To keep British producers competitive, they will have to use the same growth hormones and severely reduce their standards. Which presumably means we won't be able to export any food produce to the EU.
Lose/lose. Unless you like shit quality food and think brexit is a good idea despite the reality of brexit. do you consider the food standards of countries before you holiday there ? Personally it never crossed my mind
You might want to think a bit before eating street food in some places as there are no standards . You just take your chances exactly that doesn’t stop millions of tourists visiting these countries same with the USA but never miss a chance of a good old winge about the USA eh lol"So we should lower our food safety standards to match those of a country with higher illness due to poor food hygiene? They have less holiday and maternity leave and lower employment protections too. Yet millions of us travel there. Should we lower our standards to match those too? Is that a whinge or is comparing visiting to adopting the same standards at home a completely different thing? | |||
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"The biggest problem is Joe Biden. He has been brought up to believe that he's Irish, and that England is to blame for almost everything. There will be no trade deal whilst he is in the White House. Not just biden but any democrat,Clinton played a big role in making it happen. But that's not saying even if a republican was in the white house that they would let boris fuck with it either. Maybe trump will run again? Trade deals tend to slant in favour of the larger state, except for ours where both Australia and New Zealand seem to have got the advantage. With those negotiating skills, how do we think things will work out whoever runs the US? Exactly. Any country that done a trade deal with US for years now has had to open up their markets for their disgusting food,that's every country. And like you say,you lot have boris negotiating so you can say hello to big pharma too. Also boris has said time and again this won't happen,that alone would make me worry,if I was youDisgusting food have you ever been there?
I lived there.
If you can pay for it,there is amazing produce.
I'm talking about US food standards,not the wide range of standard of food available on the US market,where you get what you pay for
I won't ask you have you been there,but I ask you are you aware of their food standards,like why they chlorinate their chicken,or the amount of pus they accept in milk,or drugs and hormones in their meet?Yes mate i worked out there too and if the beef down in Texas is hormone reared then im all for it. As for chlorinated chicken its washed in chlorine just like EU salad not harmful at all and thats only around 10% of it.Love the way you fall for the chlorine excuse it was a political decision for protectionist reasons nothing else and as for the milk i really haven't looked into it.
The chlorinated chicken is about animal welfare. They don’t have to clean out the animals if they chlorinate them before processing. They therefore live in their own shit. Lettuce and cucumber don’t shit! It’s just a cleaning process for safety. Not to be compared with a live animal in any way.
US beef is “ mostly” reared in stock yards with feed over grass. They are also hormone fed to increase the amount of weight gain quicker so basically Frankenstein stuff.
The USA has horrendous food poisoning record which from memory is around five to seven times as bad as ours. I don’t want any of that in my country.
Feel free to go on holiday and eat away. is it worse than in Asia and Africa ?
It is worse than our standards. It doesn't matter how it compares to anywhere else.
If a trade deal with any country requires a reduction in our food safety standards and leads to more illness is that acceptable?Of course not but does anyone have any proof that we will be importing sub standard food? if so can you point me to the link and not just speculations actual proof.
Nope. This is speculative, like the rest of the thread.
The precedent to date is that this is what happens. This you can look up with other US trade agreements. What will make the UK the exception? What do we have that the US want so badly that they will cave on what is such a significant point to so many US politicians who would have to pass this legislation?Exactly just another thread like the ones before we left the eu speculative, did the planes stop flying, long queues at holiday destinations and numerous other claims by doomsday prophets? nope.
Actually, a lot of the concerns over Brexit have come to pass for both UK importers and exporters. All of the regulations haven't even been put in place. The UK still has an open inward border with the EU.
However, nobody has been able to explain what the benefit of this "trade deal" with individual US states is.
Is our trade policy based on speculation?Probably because no one has seen the details but as usual the doom and gloom mongers jump on the bandwagon " sub standard food, chlorinated chicken" when in reality as you pointed out yourself its all speculation.
How can anyone give any benefits when they dont have the details? but that does not seem to bother the doom mongers they just keep posting the same old crap when in reality they have not got a clue either."We read the promises of no hormone food and yet the same people signed the deal with Australia allowing hormone treated meat. Based on the lack of restrictions already agreed I think it’s safe to assume the deals with America will follow Australia and allow food produced below our standards to be imported. Like I said above would you rather wait and see and then react after the event ? So in effect is that gun the known killer is holding loaded ? No idea so let’s wait until he shoots us before we try to stop him. Not really the best approach is it! | |||
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"The biggest problem is Joe Biden. He has been brought up to believe that he's Irish, and that England is to blame for almost everything. There will be no trade deal whilst he is in the White House. Not just biden but any democrat,Clinton played a big role in making it happen. But that's not saying even if a republican was in the white house that they would let boris fuck with it either. Maybe trump will run again? Trade deals tend to slant in favour of the larger state, except for ours where both Australia and New Zealand seem to have got the advantage. With those negotiating skills, how do we think things will work out whoever runs the US? Exactly. Any country that done a trade deal with US for years now has had to open up their markets for their disgusting food,that's every country. And like you say,you lot have boris negotiating so you can say hello to big pharma too. Also boris has said time and again this won't happen,that alone would make me worry,if I was youDisgusting food have you ever been there?
I lived there.
If you can pay for it,there is amazing produce.
I'm talking about US food standards,not the wide range of standard of food available on the US market,where you get what you pay for
I won't ask you have you been there,but I ask you are you aware of their food standards,like why they chlorinate their chicken,or the amount of pus they accept in milk,or drugs and hormones in their meet?Yes mate i worked out there too and if the beef down in Texas is hormone reared then im all for it. As for chlorinated chicken its washed in chlorine just like EU salad not harmful at all and thats only around 10% of it.Love the way you fall for the chlorine excuse it was a political decision for protectionist reasons nothing else and as for the milk i really haven't looked into it.
The chlorinated chicken is about animal welfare. They don’t have to clean out the animals if they chlorinate them before processing. They therefore live in their own shit. Lettuce and cucumber don’t shit! It’s just a cleaning process for safety. Not to be compared with a live animal in any way.
US beef is “ mostly” reared in stock yards with feed over grass. They are also hormone fed to increase the amount of weight gain quicker so basically Frankenstein stuff.
The USA has horrendous food poisoning record which from memory is around five to seven times as bad as ours. I don’t want any of that in my country.
Feel free to go on holiday and eat away. is it worse than in Asia and Africa ?
It is worse than our standards. It doesn't matter how it compares to anywhere else.
If a trade deal with any country requires a reduction in our food safety standards and leads to more illness is that acceptable?Of course not but does anyone have any proof that we will be importing sub standard food? if so can you point me to the link and not just speculations actual proof.
Nope. This is speculative, like the rest of the thread.
The precedent to date is that this is what happens. This you can look up with other US trade agreements. What will make the UK the exception? What do we have that the US want so badly that they will cave on what is such a significant point to so many US politicians who would have to pass this legislation?Exactly just another thread like the ones before we left the eu speculative, did the planes stop flying, long queues at holiday destinations and numerous other claims by doomsday prophets? nope.
Actually, a lot of the concerns over Brexit have come to pass for both UK importers and exporters. All of the regulations haven't even been put in place. The UK still has an open inward border with the EU.
However, nobody has been able to explain what the benefit of this "trade deal" with individual US states is.
Is our trade policy based on speculation?Probably because no one has seen the details but as usual the doom and gloom mongers jump on the bandwagon " sub standard food, chlorinated chicken" when in reality as you pointed out yourself its all speculation.
How can anyone give any benefits when they dont have the details? but that does not seem to bother the doom mongers they just keep posting the same old crap when in reality they have not got a clue either."So what is there to feel positive about as the OP suggested? You're saying nobody knows anything, yet the government is publicising it as a good thing. Why is it a good thing? | |||
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"The biggest problem is Joe Biden. He has been brought up to believe that he's Irish, and that England is to blame for almost everything. There will be no trade deal whilst he is in the White House. Not just biden but any democrat,Clinton played a big role in making it happen. But that's not saying even if a republican was in the white house that they would let boris fuck with it either. Maybe trump will run again? Trade deals tend to slant in favour of the larger state, except for ours where both Australia and New Zealand seem to have got the advantage. With those negotiating skills, how do we think things will work out whoever runs the US? Exactly. Any country that done a trade deal with US for years now has had to open up their markets for their disgusting food,that's every country. And like you say,you lot have boris negotiating so you can say hello to big pharma too. Also boris has said time and again this won't happen,that alone would make me worry,if I was youDisgusting food have you ever been there?
I lived there.
If you can pay for it,there is amazing produce.
I'm talking about US food standards,not the wide range of standard of food available on the US market,where you get what you pay for
I won't ask you have you been there,but I ask you are you aware of their food standards,like why they chlorinate their chicken,or the amount of pus they accept in milk,or drugs and hormones in their meet?Yes mate i worked out there too and if the beef down in Texas is hormone reared then im all for it. As for chlorinated chicken its washed in chlorine just like EU salad not harmful at all and thats only around 10% of it.Love the way you fall for the chlorine excuse it was a political decision for protectionist reasons nothing else and as for the milk i really haven't looked into it.
Totally wrong
The problem isn't in the chlorine wash itself,it's in the bad standards of disease control of the chickens life that that chlorine wash is trying,and failing,to wash away.
As in they are often diseased chicken washing in chlorine
But if you are happy with u.s. food standards that's up to you,it is you who will be eating it
There are a few problems.
He might be interested in eating shit quality food that's dangerous to his health, but others who aren't, won't have a choice.
To keep British producers competitive, they will have to use the same growth hormones and severely reduce their standards. Which presumably means we won't be able to export any food produce to the EU.
Lose/lose. Unless you like shit quality food and think brexit is a good idea despite the reality of brexit. do you consider the food standards of countries before you holiday there ? Personally it never crossed my mind
You might want to think a bit before eating street food in some places as there are no standards . You just take your chances exactly that doesn’t stop millions of tourists visiting these countries same with the USA but never miss a chance of a good old winge about the USA eh lol
So we should lower our food safety standards to match those of a country with higher illness due to poor food hygiene?
They have less holiday and maternity leave and lower employment protections too. Yet millions of us travel there. Should we lower our standards to match those too?
Is that a whinge or is comparing visiting to adopting the same standards at home a completely different thing?"The thing is no one has said adopt lower standards as far as i can see, people are as the man said are whinging for the sake of it and what they perceive is going to happen not what is or has happened. | |||
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"The biggest problem is Joe Biden. He has been brought up to believe that he's Irish, and that England is to blame for almost everything. There will be no trade deal whilst he is in the White House. Not just biden but any democrat,Clinton played a big role in making it happen. But that's not saying even if a republican was in the white house that they would let boris fuck with it either. Maybe trump will run again? Trade deals tend to slant in favour of the larger state, except for ours where both Australia and New Zealand seem to have got the advantage. With those negotiating skills, how do we think things will work out whoever runs the US? Exactly. Any country that done a trade deal with US for years now has had to open up their markets for their disgusting food,that's every country. And like you say,you lot have boris negotiating so you can say hello to big pharma too. Also boris has said time and again this won't happen,that alone would make me worry,if I was youDisgusting food have you ever been there?
I lived there.
If you can pay for it,there is amazing produce.
I'm talking about US food standards,not the wide range of standard of food available on the US market,where you get what you pay for
I won't ask you have you been there,but I ask you are you aware of their food standards,like why they chlorinate their chicken,or the amount of pus they accept in milk,or drugs and hormones in their meet?Yes mate i worked out there too and if the beef down in Texas is hormone reared then im all for it. As for chlorinated chicken its washed in chlorine just like EU salad not harmful at all and thats only around 10% of it.Love the way you fall for the chlorine excuse it was a political decision for protectionist reasons nothing else and as for the milk i really haven't looked into it.
Totally wrong
The problem isn't in the chlorine wash itself,it's in the bad standards of disease control of the chickens life that that chlorine wash is trying,and failing,to wash away.
As in they are often diseased chicken washing in chlorine
But if you are happy with u.s. food standards that's up to you,it is you who will be eating it
There are a few problems.
He might be interested in eating shit quality food that's dangerous to his health, but others who aren't, won't have a choice.
To keep British producers competitive, they will have to use the same growth hormones and severely reduce their standards. Which presumably means we won't be able to export any food produce to the EU.
Lose/lose. Unless you like shit quality food and think brexit is a good idea despite the reality of brexit. do you consider the food standards of countries before you holiday there ? Personally it never crossed my mind
You might want to think a bit before eating street food in some places as there are no standards . You just take your chances exactly that doesn’t stop millions of tourists visiting these countries same with the USA but never miss a chance of a good old winge about the USA eh lol
So we should lower our food safety standards to match those of a country with higher illness due to poor food hygiene?
They have less holiday and maternity leave and lower employment protections too. Yet millions of us travel there. Should we lower our standards to match those too?
Is that a whinge or is comparing visiting to adopting the same standards at home a completely different thing?The thing is no one has said adopt lower standards as far as i can see, people are as the man said are whinging for the sake of it and what they perceive is going to happen not what is or has happened."But it has happened with New Zealand and Australia so why would you expect different? Are you crossing your fingers ? | |||
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And as pointed out, it will make it increasingly hard for UK farmers to compete on price forcing them to either go very high end niche (although without country of origin that may be hard) or dramatically lower standards.
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"The USA have previously indicated that they would insist on country of origin removed from packaging so consumers could not easily choose to avoid meat from the USA. This cheap meat will also find its way into ready meals, sandwiches, cafes, take aways, canteens and school dinners. Yum yum
And as pointed out, it will make it increasingly hard for UK farmers to compete on price forcing them to either go very high end niche (although without country of origin that may be hard) or dramatically lower standards.
"I will ask again have you any proof that the uk has agreed to this are we importing sub standard food from the usa? | |||
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"The USA have previously indicated that they would insist on country of origin removed from packaging so consumers could not easily choose to avoid meat from the USA. This cheap meat will also find its way into ready meals, sandwiches, cafes, take aways, canteens and school dinners. Yum yum
And as pointed out, it will make it increasingly hard for UK farmers to compete on price forcing them to either go very high end niche (although without country of origin that may be hard) or dramatically lower standards.
I will ask again have you any proof that the uk has agreed to this are we importing sub standard food from the usa?"Others above have already addressed this. Too late to shut the stable door of the horse has already bolted. The Aussie and Kiwi deals have already shown what will happen. | |||
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"The USA have previously indicated that they would insist on country of origin removed from packaging so consumers could not easily choose to avoid meat from the USA. This cheap meat will also find its way into ready meals, sandwiches, cafes, take aways, canteens and school dinners. Yum yum
And as pointed out, it will make it increasingly hard for UK farmers to compete on price forcing them to either go very high end niche (although without country of origin that may be hard) or dramatically lower standards.
I will ask again have you any proof that the uk has agreed to this are we importing sub standard food from the usa?
Others above have already addressed this. Too late to shut the stable door of the horse has already bolted. The Aussie and Kiwi deals have already shown what will happen."Right so you are saying the horse has bolted then,when did that happen? | |||
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"The USA have previously indicated that they would insist on country of origin removed from packaging so consumers could not easily choose to avoid meat from the USA. This cheap meat will also find its way into ready meals, sandwiches, cafes, take aways, canteens and school dinners. Yum yum
And as pointed out, it will make it increasingly hard for UK farmers to compete on price forcing them to either go very high end niche (although without country of origin that may be hard) or dramatically lower standards.
I will ask again have you any proof that the uk has agreed to this are we importing sub standard food from the usa?
Others above have already addressed this. Too late to shut the stable door of the horse has already bolted. The Aussie and Kiwi deals have already shown what will happen.Right so you are saying the horse has bolted then,when did that happen?"Are you really not following any of this? The UK will not be checking food imports from NZ and Australia, just like we are unable to check EU imports. Consequently we will end up accepting food at whatever standard those countries choose to produce it at. This includes genetically modified meat. From the US perspective, all previous precedents have required countries accepting US food standards as agriculture has a very powerful lobby and large electorate associated with it. Why do you think that the USA will not insist on food imports to their standards? | |||
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"The USA have previously indicated that they would insist on country of origin removed from packaging so consumers could not easily choose to avoid meat from the USA. This cheap meat will also find its way into ready meals, sandwiches, cafes, take aways, canteens and school dinners. Yum yum
And as pointed out, it will make it increasingly hard for UK farmers to compete on price forcing them to either go very high end niche (although without country of origin that may be hard) or dramatically lower standards.
I will ask again have you any proof that the uk has agreed to this are we importing sub standard food from the usa?
Others above have already addressed this. Too late to shut the stable door of the horse has already bolted. The Aussie and Kiwi deals have already shown what will happen.Right so you are saying the horse has bolted then,when did that happen?"I said too late if the horse is bolted so we need to raise/be concerned now not after the deal is done! It’s like all those Brexiters who accused warnings and concerns raised by Remainers as “Project Fear” yet it seems pretty much EVERYTHING has turned out to be Project Reality - even the more outlandish stuff that most of us cringed at when that dick Cameron said it such as war in Europe! | |||
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"The USA have previously indicated that they would insist on country of origin removed from packaging so consumers could not easily choose to avoid meat from the USA. This cheap meat will also find its way into ready meals, sandwiches, cafes, take aways, canteens and school dinners. Yum yum
And as pointed out, it will make it increasingly hard for UK farmers to compete on price forcing them to either go very high end niche (although without country of origin that may be hard) or dramatically lower standards.
I will ask again have you any proof that the uk has agreed to this are we importing sub standard food from the usa?
Others above have already addressed this. Too late to shut the stable door of the horse has already bolted. The Aussie and Kiwi deals have already shown what will happen.Right so you are saying the horse has bolted then,when did that happen?
I said too late if the horse is bolted so we need to raise/be concerned now not after the deal is done!
It’s like all those Brexiters who accused warnings and concerns raised by Remainers as “Project Fear” yet it seems pretty much EVERYTHING has turned out to be Project Reality - even the more outlandish stuff that most of us cringed at when that dick Cameron said it such as war in Europe!"You do make me laugh you said the kiwi and oz deals have shown what will happen what is that then, what part of those deals dont you like? as for project reality yes 50,000 didnt lose their jobs in fact there are more jobs with better wages just for a start but that is diverting from the trade deals.Looking forward to what you think is bad about them. | |||
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"I find it strange and it’s not a Tory or labour thing that anyone would take the attitude of wait and see. When two deals have already proven to be detrimental and below our standards it would be a reasonable assumption that others will follow. Why would anyone argue against trying to stop. any further damage to the food quality imported into this country. Claiming it hasn’t happened yet is defending a theory proven to have failed. It has happened and will again especially if we don’t complain. Surely no one in this country wants poor food imports? Or do they? We should ALL be protesting. " why are they detrimental and below our standards? | |||
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"The biggest problem is Joe Biden. He has been brought up to believe that he's Irish, and that England is to blame for almost everything. There will be no trade deal whilst he is in the White House. Not just biden but any democrat,Clinton played a big role in making it happen. But that's not saying even if a republican was in the white house that they would let boris fuck with it either. Maybe trump will run again? Trade deals tend to slant in favour of the larger state, except for ours where both Australia and New Zealand seem to have got the advantage. With those negotiating skills, how do we think things will work out whoever runs the US? Exactly. Any country that done a trade deal with US for years now has had to open up their markets for their disgusting food,that's every country. And like you say,you lot have boris negotiating so you can say hello to big pharma too. Also boris has said time and again this won't happen,that alone would make me worry,if I was youDisgusting food have you ever been there?
I lived there.
If you can pay for it,there is amazing produce.
I'm talking about US food standards,not the wide range of standard of food available on the US market,where you get what you pay for
I won't ask you have you been there,but I ask you are you aware of their food standards,like why they chlorinate their chicken,or the amount of pus they accept in milk,or drugs and hormones in their meet?Yes mate i worked out there too and if the beef down in Texas is hormone reared then im all for it. As for chlorinated chicken its washed in chlorine just like EU salad not harmful at all and thats only around 10% of it.Love the way you fall for the chlorine excuse it was a political decision for protectionist reasons nothing else and as for the milk i really haven't looked into it.
Totally wrong
The problem isn't in the chlorine wash itself,it's in the bad standards of disease control of the chickens life that that chlorine wash is trying,and failing,to wash away.
As in they are often diseased chicken washing in chlorine
But if you are happy with u.s. food standards that's up to you,it is you who will be eating it
There are a few problems.
He might be interested in eating shit quality food that's dangerous to his health, but others who aren't, won't have a choice.
To keep British producers competitive, they will have to use the same growth hormones and severely reduce their standards. Which presumably means we won't be able to export any food produce to the EU.
Lose/lose. Unless you like shit quality food and think brexit is a good idea despite the reality of brexit. do you consider the food standards of countries before you holiday there ? Personally it never crossed my mind "Yep. Especially when I've spent time in the states. The point is, you can be happy eating sub standard shit. But people who don't want to, won't have a choice. | |||
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"I find it strange and it’s not a Tory or labour thing that anyone would take the attitude of wait and see. When two deals have already proven to be detrimental and below our standards it would be a reasonable assumption that others will follow. Why would anyone argue against trying to stop. any further damage to the food quality imported into this country. Claiming it hasn’t happened yet is defending a theory proven to have failed. It has happened and will again especially if we don’t complain. Surely no one in this country wants poor food imports? Or do they? We should ALL be protesting. why are they detrimental and below our standards?" Look at the stats on illness from food poisoning and deaths from food poisoning it’s quite shocking how much worse they are in the US . It’s not a little worse it’s terrible. | |||
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"I find it strange and it’s not a Tory or labour thing that anyone would take the attitude of wait and see. When two deals have already proven to be detrimental and below our standards it would be a reasonable assumption that others will follow. Why would anyone argue against trying to stop. any further damage to the food quality imported into this country. Claiming it hasn’t happened yet is defending a theory proven to have failed. It has happened and will again especially if we don’t complain. Surely no one in this country wants poor food imports? Or do they? We should ALL be protesting. why are they detrimental and below our standards? Look at the stats on illness from food poisoning and deaths from food poisoning it’s quite shocking how much worse they are in the US . It’s not a little worse it’s terrible. " Ecoli linked to meat processing in the US is rampant. | |||
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"I find it strange and it’s not a Tory or labour thing that anyone would take the attitude of wait and see. When two deals have already proven to be detrimental and below our standards it would be a reasonable assumption that others will follow. Why would anyone argue against trying to stop. any further damage to the food quality imported into this country. Claiming it hasn’t happened yet is defending a theory proven to have failed. It has happened and will again especially if we don’t complain. Surely no one in this country wants poor food imports? Or do they? We should ALL be protesting. why are they detrimental and below our standards? Look at the stats on illness from food poisoning and deaths from food poisoning it’s quite shocking how much worse they are in the US . It’s not a little worse it’s terrible. " Yes ive seen that is it the food or the people cooking it? we have a very good food and standards agency in the uk which is very good at protecting public health. | |||
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"I find it strange and it’s not a Tory or labour thing that anyone would take the attitude of wait and see. When two deals have already proven to be detrimental and below our standards it would be a reasonable assumption that others will follow. Why would anyone argue against trying to stop. any further damage to the food quality imported into this country. Claiming it hasn’t happened yet is defending a theory proven to have failed. It has happened and will again especially if we don’t complain. Surely no one in this country wants poor food imports? Or do they? We should ALL be protesting. why are they detrimental and below our standards? Look at the stats on illness from food poisoning and deaths from food poisoning it’s quite shocking how much worse they are in the US . It’s not a little worse it’s terrible. Yes ive seen that is it the food or the people cooking it? we have a very good food and standards agency in the uk which is very good at protecting public health." Indeed. Now we're out of the EU we're free to reduce those standards, cut the "red tape" and import hormone pumped beef full of shit. Anyone thinking of eating it, should consider reading "fast food nation" which covers the meat processing and packing industry in the US. "A nationwide study published by the USDA in 1996 found that [...] 78.6 percent of the ground beef contained microbes that are spread primarily by fecal matter. The medical literature on the causes of food poisoning is full of euphemisms and dry scientific terms: coliform levels, aerobic plate counts, sorbitol, MacConkey agar, and so on. Behind them lies a simple explanation for why eating hamburger meat makes you sick: There is shit in the meat." | |||
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"I find it strange and it’s not a Tory or labour thing that anyone would take the attitude of wait and see. When two deals have already proven to be detrimental and below our standards it would be a reasonable assumption that others will follow. Why would anyone argue against trying to stop. any further damage to the food quality imported into this country. Claiming it hasn’t happened yet is defending a theory proven to have failed. It has happened and will again especially if we don’t complain. Surely no one in this country wants poor food imports? Or do they? We should ALL be protesting. why are they detrimental and below our standards? Look at the stats on illness from food poisoning and deaths from food poisoning it’s quite shocking how much worse they are in the US . It’s not a little worse it’s terrible. Yes ive seen that is it the food or the people cooking it? we have a very good food and standards agency in the uk which is very good at protecting public health. Indeed. Now we're out of the EU we're free to reduce those standards, cut the "red tape" and import hormone pumped beef full of shit. Anyone thinking of eating it, should consider reading "fast food nation" which covers the meat processing and packing industry in the US. "A nationwide study published by the USDA in 1996 found that [...] 78.6 percent of the ground beef contained microbes that are spread primarily by fecal matter. The medical literature on the causes of food poisoning is full of euphemisms and dry scientific terms: coliform levels, aerobic plate counts, sorbitol, MacConkey agar, and so on. Behind them lies a simple explanation for why eating hamburger meat makes you sick: There is shit in the meat."" Are we going to import burgers from 1996 then? | |||
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"I find it strange and it’s not a Tory or labour thing that anyone would take the attitude of wait and see. When two deals have already proven to be detrimental and below our standards it would be a reasonable assumption that others will follow. Why would anyone argue against trying to stop. any further damage to the food quality imported into this country. Claiming it hasn’t happened yet is defending a theory proven to have failed. It has happened and will again especially if we don’t complain. Surely no one in this country wants poor food imports? Or do they? We should ALL be protesting. why are they detrimental and below our standards? Look at the stats on illness from food poisoning and deaths from food poisoning it’s quite shocking how much worse they are in the US . It’s not a little worse it’s terrible. Yes ive seen that is it the food or the people cooking it? we have a very good food and standards agency in the uk which is very good at protecting public health." Oh that’s ok then and there’s me worrying about the chemicals, hormones and welfare of animals but if it’s just down to cooking Im sure it will be fine., The food related illness in the us is also alleged to be much worded than published as it’s allegedly linked to the amount of chemicals they add as well. So once that’s proven the numbers will be even worse. My brother’s wife is heavily involved in the food issues in the US and her tales are quite frankly disturbing. They only eat organic food at home now ( they can afford it fortunately) and have stopped eating American meat. They do eat meat just not that produced in the US. | |||
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"The USA have previously indicated that they would insist on country of origin removed from packaging so consumers could not easily choose to avoid meat from the USA. This cheap meat will also find its way into ready meals, sandwiches, cafes, take aways, canteens and school dinners. Yum yum
And as pointed out, it will make it increasingly hard for UK farmers to compete on price forcing them to either go very high end niche (although without country of origin that may be hard) or dramatically lower standards.
I will ask again have you any proof that the uk has agreed to this are we importing sub standard food from the usa?
Others above have already addressed this. Too late to shut the stable door of the horse has already bolted. The Aussie and Kiwi deals have already shown what will happen.Right so you are saying the horse has bolted then,when did that happen?
I said too late if the horse is bolted so we need to raise/be concerned now not after the deal is done!
It’s like all those Brexiters who accused warnings and concerns raised by Remainers as “Project Fear” yet it seems pretty much EVERYTHING has turned out to be Project Reality - even the more outlandish stuff that most of us cringed at when that dick Cameron said it such as war in Europe!You do make me laugh you said the kiwi and oz deals have shown what will happen what is that then, what part of those deals dont you like? as for project reality yes 50,000 didnt lose their jobs in fact there are more jobs with better wages just for a start but that is diverting from the trade deals.Looking forward to what you think is bad about them."The NZ and Australian tease deals have not come into effect yet. The agreement has not even been placed before Parliament, let alone ratified. Why would any consequences be apparent yet? If you are going to relentlessly argue, at least do so from a position of some knowledge. Again, rather than talking about something completely different, what is positive about a "trade deal" with individual US states that cannot change import tariffs or quotas? | |||
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"I find it strange and it’s not a Tory or labour thing that anyone would take the attitude of wait and see. When two deals have already proven to be detrimental and below our standards it would be a reasonable assumption that others will follow. Why would anyone argue against trying to stop. any further damage to the food quality imported into this country. Claiming it hasn’t happened yet is defending a theory proven to have failed. It has happened and will again especially if we don’t complain. Surely no one in this country wants poor food imports? Or do they? We should ALL be protesting. why are they detrimental and below our standards? Look at the stats on illness from food poisoning and deaths from food poisoning it’s quite shocking how much worse they are in the US . It’s not a little worse it’s terrible. Yes ive seen that is it the food or the people cooking it? we have a very good food and standards agency in the uk which is very good at protecting public health. Oh that’s ok then and there’s me worrying about the chemicals, hormones and welfare of animals but if it’s just down to cooking Im sure it will be fine., The food related illness in the us is also alleged to be much worded than published as it’s allegedly linked to the amount of chemicals they add as well. So once that’s proven the numbers will be even worse. My brother’s wife is heavily involved in the food issues in the US and her tales are quite frankly disturbing. They only eat organic food at home now ( they can afford it fortunately) and have stopped eating American meat. They do eat meat just not that produced in the US. " yet the eu do funny how it was ok until we left and now everyone is up in arms about it? Last summer, the White House announced an important breakthrough in beef trade with the European Union. It rectified a long-standing problem with supplying U.S. beef to Europe. The quota is administered quarterly, and the available capacity (11,250 mt) ran out quickly – often within the first three weeks of the quarter,” explained Dan Halstrom, U.S. Meat Export Federation (USMEF) president and CEO. “When you’re supplying chilled, high-quality U.S. beef to customers in Europe and can only move product in the first few weeks of every quarter, this is not a very sustainable business model.” To address this obstacle, the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative (USTR) reached an agreement with the EU that reserves a portion of the duty-free quota specifically for U.S. beef. The U.S.-specific share begins at 18,500 mt this year (4,625 mt per quarter) and increases annually until reaching 35,000 mt in year seven. Hows the eu let this happen if its so shit i ask myself. | |||
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"I find it strange and it’s not a Tory or labour thing that anyone would take the attitude of wait and see. When two deals have already proven to be detrimental and below our standards it would be a reasonable assumption that others will follow. Why would anyone argue against trying to stop. any further damage to the food quality imported into this country. Claiming it hasn’t happened yet is defending a theory proven to have failed. It has happened and will again especially if we don’t complain. Surely no one in this country wants poor food imports? Or do they? We should ALL be protesting. why are they detrimental and below our standards? Look at the stats on illness from food poisoning and deaths from food poisoning it’s quite shocking how much worse they are in the US . It’s not a little worse it’s terrible. Yes ive seen that is it the food or the people cooking it? we have a very good food and standards agency in the uk which is very good at protecting public health. Oh that’s ok then and there’s me worrying about the chemicals, hormones and welfare of animals but if it’s just down to cooking Im sure it will be fine., The food related illness in the us is also alleged to be much worded than published as it’s allegedly linked to the amount of chemicals they add as well. So once that’s proven the numbers will be even worse. My brother’s wife is heavily involved in the food issues in the US and her tales are quite frankly disturbing. They only eat organic food at home now ( they can afford it fortunately) and have stopped eating American meat. They do eat meat just not that produced in the US. yet the eu do funny how it was ok until we left and now everyone is up in arms about it? Last summer, the White House announced an important breakthrough in beef trade with the European Union. It rectified a long-standing problem with supplying U.S. beef to Europe. The quota is administered quarterly, and the available capacity (11,250 mt) ran out quickly – often within the first three weeks of the quarter,” explained Dan Halstrom, U.S. Meat Export Federation (USMEF) president and CEO. “When you’re supplying chilled, high-quality U.S. beef to customers in Europe and can only move product in the first few weeks of every quarter, this is not a very sustainable business model.” To address this obstacle, the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative (USTR) reached an agreement with the EU that reserves a portion of the duty-free quota specifically for U.S. beef. The U.S.-specific share begins at 18,500 mt this year (4,625 mt per quarter) and increases annually until reaching 35,000 mt in year seven. Hows the eu let this happen if its so shit i ask myself. "You’re obsessed with the EU.
What has the EU got to do with U.K. food imports and the substandard quality of American food?
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"I find it strange and it’s not a Tory or labour thing that anyone would take the attitude of wait and see. When two deals have already proven to be detrimental and below our standards it would be a reasonable assumption that others will follow. Why would anyone argue against trying to stop. any further damage to the food quality imported into this country. Claiming it hasn’t happened yet is defending a theory proven to have failed. It has happened and will again especially if we don’t complain. Surely no one in this country wants poor food imports? Or do they? We should ALL be protesting. why are they detrimental and below our standards? Look at the stats on illness from food poisoning and deaths from food poisoning it’s quite shocking how much worse they are in the US . It’s not a little worse it’s terrible. Yes ive seen that is it the food or the people cooking it? we have a very good food and standards agency in the uk which is very good at protecting public health. Oh that’s ok then and there’s me worrying about the chemicals, hormones and welfare of animals but if it’s just down to cooking Im sure it will be fine., The food related illness in the us is also alleged to be much worded than published as it’s allegedly linked to the amount of chemicals they add as well. So once that’s proven the numbers will be even worse. My brother’s wife is heavily involved in the food issues in the US and her tales are quite frankly disturbing. They only eat organic food at home now ( they can afford it fortunately) and have stopped eating American meat. They do eat meat just not that produced in the US. yet the eu do funny how it was ok until we left and now everyone is up in arms about it? Last summer, the White House announced an important breakthrough in beef trade with the European Union. It rectified a long-standing problem with supplying U.S. beef to Europe. The quota is administered quarterly, and the available capacity (11,250 mt) ran out quickly – often within the first three weeks of the quarter,” explained Dan Halstrom, U.S. Meat Export Federation (USMEF) president and CEO. “When you’re supplying chilled, high-quality U.S. beef to customers in Europe and can only move product in the first few weeks of every quarter, this is not a very sustainable business model.” To address this obstacle, the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative (USTR) reached an agreement with the EU that reserves a portion of the duty-free quota specifically for U.S. beef. The U.S.-specific share begins at 18,500 mt this year (4,625 mt per quarter) and increases annually until reaching 35,000 mt in year seven. Hows the eu let this happen if its so shit i ask myself. "This is not part of a trade deal. There are minimum access levels for all countries as per the WTO. The disagreement was over the quota having to be hormone free. After many years and millions in costs the US eventually conceded. Again, just to underline the fact, that is no trade deal. Some half-understood research is sometimes worse than no research... | |||
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"I find it strange and it’s not a Tory or labour thing that anyone would take the attitude of wait and see. When two deals have already proven to be detrimental and below our standards it would be a reasonable assumption that others will follow. Why would anyone argue against trying to stop. any further damage to the food quality imported into this country. Claiming it hasn’t happened yet is defending a theory proven to have failed. It has happened and will again especially if we don’t complain. Surely no one in this country wants poor food imports? Or do they? We should ALL be protesting. why are they detrimental and below our standards? Look at the stats on illness from food poisoning and deaths from food poisoning it’s quite shocking how much worse they are in the US . It’s not a little worse it’s terrible. Yes ive seen that is it the food or the people cooking it? we have a very good food and standards agency in the uk which is very good at protecting public health. Oh that’s ok then and there’s me worrying about the chemicals, hormones and welfare of animals but if it’s just down to cooking Im sure it will be fine., The food related illness in the us is also alleged to be much worded than published as it’s allegedly linked to the amount of chemicals they add as well. So once that’s proven the numbers will be even worse. My brother’s wife is heavily involved in the food issues in the US and her tales are quite frankly disturbing. They only eat organic food at home now ( they can afford it fortunately) and have stopped eating American meat. They do eat meat just not that produced in the US. yet the eu do funny how it was ok until we left and now everyone is up in arms about it? Last summer, the White House announced an important breakthrough in beef trade with the European Union. It rectified a long-standing problem with supplying U.S. beef to Europe. The quota is administered quarterly, and the available capacity (11,250 mt) ran out quickly – often within the first three weeks of the quarter,” explained Dan Halstrom, U.S. Meat Export Federation (USMEF) president and CEO. “When you’re supplying chilled, high-quality U.S. beef to customers in Europe and can only move product in the first few weeks of every quarter, this is not a very sustainable business model.” To address this obstacle, the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative (USTR) reached an agreement with the EU that reserves a portion of the duty-free quota specifically for U.S. beef. The U.S.-specific share begins at 18,500 mt this year (4,625 mt per quarter) and increases annually until reaching 35,000 mt in year seven. Hows the eu let this happen if its so shit i ask myself.
You’re obsessed with the EU.
What has the EU got to do with U.K. food imports and the substandard quality of American food?
This isn’t about Brexit it’s about our health. "Who,s obsessed i was pointing out the fact that even when we were in the eu we were importing meat from the USA and Australia and no one batted an eyelid but now we have left and can set a tariff free deal its all of a sudden a big health issue. Just want to know why when nothing has changed. | |||
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"I find it strange and it’s not a Tory or labour thing that anyone would take the attitude of wait and see. When two deals have already proven to be detrimental and below our standards it would be a reasonable assumption that others will follow. Why would anyone argue against trying to stop. any further damage to the food quality imported into this country. Claiming it hasn’t happened yet is defending a theory proven to have failed. It has happened and will again especially if we don’t complain. Surely no one in this country wants poor food imports? Or do they? We should ALL be protesting. why are they detrimental and below our standards? Look at the stats on illness from food poisoning and deaths from food poisoning it’s quite shocking how much worse they are in the US . It’s not a little worse it’s terrible. Yes ive seen that is it the food or the people cooking it? we have a very good food and standards agency in the uk which is very good at protecting public health. Oh that’s ok then and there’s me worrying about the chemicals, hormones and welfare of animals but if it’s just down to cooking Im sure it will be fine., The food related illness in the us is also alleged to be much worded than published as it’s allegedly linked to the amount of chemicals they add as well. So once that’s proven the numbers will be even worse. My brother’s wife is heavily involved in the food issues in the US and her tales are quite frankly disturbing. They only eat organic food at home now ( they can afford it fortunately) and have stopped eating American meat. They do eat meat just not that produced in the US. yet the eu do funny how it was ok until we left and now everyone is up in arms about it? Last summer, the White House announced an important breakthrough in beef trade with the European Union. It rectified a long-standing problem with supplying U.S. beef to Europe. The quota is administered quarterly, and the available capacity (11,250 mt) ran out quickly – often within the first three weeks of the quarter,” explained Dan Halstrom, U.S. Meat Export Federation (USMEF) president and CEO. “When you’re supplying chilled, high-quality U.S. beef to customers in Europe and can only move product in the first few weeks of every quarter, this is not a very sustainable business model.” To address this obstacle, the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative (USTR) reached an agreement with the EU that reserves a portion of the duty-free quota specifically for U.S. beef. The U.S.-specific share begins at 18,500 mt this year (4,625 mt per quarter) and increases annually until reaching 35,000 mt in year seven. Hows the eu let this happen if its so shit i ask myself.
You’re obsessed with the EU.
What has the EU got to do with U.K. food imports and the substandard quality of American food?
This isn’t about Brexit it’s about our health. "Actually, it's about a "trade deal" with individual US states being somehow positive or useful to the UK. Curiously left unanswered as a big diversion has been created | |||
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"I find it strange and it’s not a Tory or labour thing that anyone would take the attitude of wait and see. When two deals have already proven to be detrimental and below our standards it would be a reasonable assumption that others will follow. Why would anyone argue against trying to stop. any further damage to the food quality imported into this country. Claiming it hasn’t happened yet is defending a theory proven to have failed. It has happened and will again especially if we don’t complain. Surely no one in this country wants poor food imports? Or do they? We should ALL be protesting. why are they detrimental and below our standards? Look at the stats on illness from food poisoning and deaths from food poisoning it’s quite shocking how much worse they are in the US . It’s not a little worse it’s terrible. Yes ive seen that is it the food or the people cooking it? we have a very good food and standards agency in the uk which is very good at protecting public health. Oh that’s ok then and there’s me worrying about the chemicals, hormones and welfare of animals but if it’s just down to cooking Im sure it will be fine., The food related illness in the us is also alleged to be much worded than published as it’s allegedly linked to the amount of chemicals they add as well. So once that’s proven the numbers will be even worse. My brother’s wife is heavily involved in the food issues in the US and her tales are quite frankly disturbing. They only eat organic food at home now ( they can afford it fortunately) and have stopped eating American meat. They do eat meat just not that produced in the US. yet the eu do funny how it was ok until we left and now everyone is up in arms about it? Last summer, the White House announced an important breakthrough in beef trade with the European Union. It rectified a long-standing problem with supplying U.S. beef to Europe. The quota is administered quarterly, and the available capacity (11,250 mt) ran out quickly – often within the first three weeks of the quarter,” explained Dan Halstrom, U.S. Meat Export Federation (USMEF) president and CEO. “When you’re supplying chilled, high-quality U.S. beef to customers in Europe and can only move product in the first few weeks of every quarter, this is not a very sustainable business model.” To address this obstacle, the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative (USTR) reached an agreement with the EU that reserves a portion of the duty-free quota specifically for U.S. beef. The U.S.-specific share begins at 18,500 mt this year (4,625 mt per quarter) and increases annually until reaching 35,000 mt in year seven. Hows the eu let this happen if its so shit i ask myself.
You’re obsessed with the EU.
What has the EU got to do with U.K. food imports and the substandard quality of American food?
This isn’t about Brexit it’s about our health. Who,s obsessed i was pointing out the fact that even when we were in the eu we were importing meat from the USA and Australia and no one batted an eyelid but now we have left and can set a tariff free deal its all of a sudden a big health issue. Just want to know why when nothing has changed. "So from your inference we should be following the EU lead ? ( above confirmed it’s hormone free). Hormone treated meat is banned from imports into the EU still I believe. So we left the EU to strike much better global deals which beexiteers shouted from the hill tops of empire and now you are arguing that we should follow suit and do a mirror deal as the EU? A brexiteer wanting to follow the EU rules!! Why did we leave again exactly? The world has gone mad! | |||
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"I find it strange and it’s not a Tory or labour thing that anyone would take the attitude of wait and see. When two deals have already proven to be detrimental and below our standards it would be a reasonable assumption that others will follow. Why would anyone argue against trying to stop. any further damage to the food quality imported into this country. Claiming it hasn’t happened yet is defending a theory proven to have failed. It has happened and will again especially if we don’t complain. Surely no one in this country wants poor food imports? Or do they? We should ALL be protesting. why are they detrimental and below our standards? Look at the stats on illness from food poisoning and deaths from food poisoning it’s quite shocking how much worse they are in the US . It’s not a little worse it’s terrible. Yes ive seen that is it the food or the people cooking it? we have a very good food and standards agency in the uk which is very good at protecting public health. Oh that’s ok then and there’s me worrying about the chemicals, hormones and welfare of animals but if it’s just down to cooking Im sure it will be fine., The food related illness in the us is also alleged to be much worded than published as it’s allegedly linked to the amount of chemicals they add as well. So once that’s proven the numbers will be even worse. My brother’s wife is heavily involved in the food issues in the US and her tales are quite frankly disturbing. They only eat organic food at home now ( they can afford it fortunately) and have stopped eating American meat. They do eat meat just not that produced in the US. yet the eu do funny how it was ok until we left and now everyone is up in arms about it? Last summer, the White House announced an important breakthrough in beef trade with the European Union. It rectified a long-standing problem with supplying U.S. beef to Europe. The quota is administered quarterly, and the available capacity (11,250 mt) ran out quickly – often within the first three weeks of the quarter,” explained Dan Halstrom, U.S. Meat Export Federation (USMEF) president and CEO. “When you’re supplying chilled, high-quality U.S. beef to customers in Europe and can only move product in the first few weeks of every quarter, this is not a very sustainable business model.” To address this obstacle, the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative (USTR) reached an agreement with the EU that reserves a portion of the duty-free quota specifically for U.S. beef. The U.S.-specific share begins at 18,500 mt this year (4,625 mt per quarter) and increases annually until reaching 35,000 mt in year seven. Hows the eu let this happen if its so shit i ask myself.
You’re obsessed with the EU.
What has the EU got to do with U.K. food imports and the substandard quality of American food?
This isn’t about Brexit it’s about our health. Who,s obsessed i was pointing out the fact that even when we were in the eu we were importing meat from the USA and Australia and no one batted an eyelid but now we have left and can set a tariff free deal its all of a sudden a big health issue. Just want to know why when nothing has changed.
So from your inference we should be following the EU lead ? ( above confirmed it’s hormone free). Hormone treated meat is banned from imports into the EU still I believe.
So we left the EU to strike much better global deals which beexiteers shouted from the hill tops of empire and now you are arguing that we should follow suit and do a mirror deal as the EU? A brexiteer wanting to follow the EU rules!!
Why did we leave again exactly?
The world has gone mad!
"Has the uk said that it will import hormone treated beef as i cant seem to find that info anywhere? the idea of leaving was to strike global deals and to do away with Eu protectionist tariffs which will bring prices down. Dont you think we had any rules before we joined the eu ffs? and i dont see anyone wanting to lower standards or that they voted leave because health standards were to high. You seem to think that leavers hated everything about the eu which is certainly not true. My argument is i keep reading on here about it being lowering standards which no one has provided any proof that this is happening and as far as i can see its total speculation. | |||
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"….. the idea of leaving was to strike global deals and to do away with Eu protectionist tariffs which will bring prices down. …. We’ve left a while now. Serious question: What important things for day to day life have come down in price? " Absolutely nothing i dont think any deals have been signed off yet.  | |||
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"I find it strange and it’s not a Tory or labour thing that anyone would take the attitude of wait and see. When two deals have already proven to be detrimental and below our standards it would be a reasonable assumption that others will follow. Why would anyone argue against trying to stop. any further damage to the food quality imported into this country. Claiming it hasn’t happened yet is defending a theory proven to have failed. It has happened and will again especially if we don’t complain. Surely no one in this country wants poor food imports? Or do they? We should ALL be protesting. why are they detrimental and below our standards? Look at the stats on illness from food poisoning and deaths from food poisoning it’s quite shocking how much worse they are in the US . It’s not a little worse it’s terrible. Yes ive seen that is it the food or the people cooking it? we have a very good food and standards agency in the uk which is very good at protecting public health. Oh that’s ok then and there’s me worrying about the chemicals, hormones and welfare of animals but if it’s just down to cooking Im sure it will be fine., The food related illness in the us is also alleged to be much worded than published as it’s allegedly linked to the amount of chemicals they add as well. So once that’s proven the numbers will be even worse. My brother’s wife is heavily involved in the food issues in the US and her tales are quite frankly disturbing. They only eat organic food at home now ( they can afford it fortunately) and have stopped eating American meat. They do eat meat just not that produced in the US. yet the eu do funny how it was ok until we left and now everyone is up in arms about it? Last summer, the White House announced an important breakthrough in beef trade with the European Union. It rectified a long-standing problem with supplying U.S. beef to Europe. The quota is administered quarterly, and the available capacity (11,250 mt) ran out quickly – often within the first three weeks of the quarter,” explained Dan Halstrom, U.S. Meat Export Federation (USMEF) president and CEO. “When you’re supplying chilled, high-quality U.S. beef to customers in Europe and can only move product in the first few weeks of every quarter, this is not a very sustainable business model.” To address this obstacle, the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative (USTR) reached an agreement with the EU that reserves a portion of the duty-free quota specifically for U.S. beef. The U.S.-specific share begins at 18,500 mt this year (4,625 mt per quarter) and increases annually until reaching 35,000 mt in year seven. Hows the eu let this happen if its so shit i ask myself.
You’re obsessed with the EU.
What has the EU got to do with U.K. food imports and the substandard quality of American food?
This isn’t about Brexit it’s about our health. Who,s obsessed i was pointing out the fact that even when we were in the eu we were importing meat from the USA and Australia and no one batted an eyelid but now we have left and can set a tariff free deal its all of a sudden a big health issue. Just want to know why when nothing has changed.
So from your inference we should be following the EU lead ? ( above confirmed it’s hormone free). Hormone treated meat is banned from imports into the EU still I believe.
So we left the EU to strike much better global deals which beexiteers shouted from the hill tops of empire and now you are arguing that we should follow suit and do a mirror deal as the EU? A brexiteer wanting to follow the EU rules!!
Why did we leave again exactly?
The world has gone mad!
Has the uk said that it will import hormone treated beef as i cant seem to find that info anywhere? the idea of leaving was to strike global deals and to do away with Eu protectionist tariffs which will bring prices down. Dont you think we had any rules before we joined the eu ffs? and i dont see anyone wanting to lower standards or that they voted leave because health standards were to high. You seem to think that leavers hated everything about the eu which is certainly not true. My argument is i keep reading on here about it being lowering standards which no one has provided any proof that this is happening and as far as i can see its total speculation."Don't think anyone claimed it was definitely happening. We will only know if it happens. The point is, when we were in the EU, the government would have been unable to reduce the standards. Now they can, and we might have to in order to get a trade deal. As you said you're well up for meat filled with hormones and fecal matter, it's not a worry for you. | |||
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"I find it strange and it’s not a Tory or labour thing that anyone would take the attitude of wait and see. When two deals have already proven to be detrimental and below our standards it would be a reasonable assumption that others will follow. Why would anyone argue against trying to stop. any further damage to the food quality imported into this country. Claiming it hasn’t happened yet is defending a theory proven to have failed. It has happened and will again especially if we don’t complain. Surely no one in this country wants poor food imports? Or do they? We should ALL be protesting. why are they detrimental and below our standards? Look at the stats on illness from food poisoning and deaths from food poisoning it’s quite shocking how much worse they are in the US . It’s not a little worse it’s terrible. Yes ive seen that is it the food or the people cooking it? we have a very good food and standards agency in the uk which is very good at protecting public health. Oh that’s ok then and there’s me worrying about the chemicals, hormones and welfare of animals but if it’s just down to cooking Im sure it will be fine., The food related illness in the us is also alleged to be much worded than published as it’s allegedly linked to the amount of chemicals they add as well. So once that’s proven the numbers will be even worse. My brother’s wife is heavily involved in the food issues in the US and her tales are quite frankly disturbing. They only eat organic food at home now ( they can afford it fortunately) and have stopped eating American meat. They do eat meat just not that produced in the US. yet the eu do funny how it was ok until we left and now everyone is up in arms about it? Last summer, the White House announced an important breakthrough in beef trade with the European Union. It rectified a long-standing problem with supplying U.S. beef to Europe. The quota is administered quarterly, and the available capacity (11,250 mt) ran out quickly – often within the first three weeks of the quarter,” explained Dan Halstrom, U.S. Meat Export Federation (USMEF) president and CEO. “When you’re supplying chilled, high-quality U.S. beef to customers in Europe and can only move product in the first few weeks of every quarter, this is not a very sustainable business model.” To address this obstacle, the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative (USTR) reached an agreement with the EU that reserves a portion of the duty-free quota specifically for U.S. beef. The U.S.-specific share begins at 18,500 mt this year (4,625 mt per quarter) and increases annually until reaching 35,000 mt in year seven. Hows the eu let this happen if its so shit i ask myself.
You’re obsessed with the EU.
What has the EU got to do with U.K. food imports and the substandard quality of American food?
This isn’t about Brexit it’s about our health. Who,s obsessed i was pointing out the fact that even when we were in the eu we were importing meat from the USA and Australia and no one batted an eyelid but now we have left and can set a tariff free deal its all of a sudden a big health issue. Just want to know why when nothing has changed.
So from your inference we should be following the EU lead ? ( above confirmed it’s hormone free). Hormone treated meat is banned from imports into the EU still I believe.
So we left the EU to strike much better global deals which beexiteers shouted from the hill tops of empire and now you are arguing that we should follow suit and do a mirror deal as the EU? A brexiteer wanting to follow the EU rules!!
Why did we leave again exactly?
The world has gone mad!
Has the uk said that it will import hormone treated beef as i cant seem to find that info anywhere? the idea of leaving was to strike global deals and to do away with Eu protectionist tariffs which will bring prices down. Dont you think we had any rules before we joined the eu ffs? and i dont see anyone wanting to lower standards or that they voted leave because health standards were to high. You seem to think that leavers hated everything about the eu which is certainly not true. My argument is i keep reading on here about it being lowering standards which no one has provided any proof that this is happening and as far as i can see its total speculation."Costa , you know as well as I do that the EU has improved our health standards with food and the environment. The U.K. has been fully part of that . The U.K. also fully supported that protectionism to protect jobs and industries in the U.K. think Chinese steel flooding into Europe. If it’s not stopped it will result in closures here. The cost savings promised are nonsense due to extra logistics costs. It’s a myth that it will be cheaper .. It’s only cheaper if it’s poorer in comparison. It’s a bit like a new Mercedes’ against a 20 year old Mondeo. The Mondeo is cheaper but which is better? We have now lost the protection we benefitted from by being in the EU so now we have to agree to anything on offer. Our international balance of payments is going to be worse based on the trade deals agreed so far. Again money pouring out of the U.K. Reece mogg and Co were lying over promises of a better cheaper future. When will people start to realise that. The EU wasn’t perfect I totally agree but being out of it is much worse for us. . We now have no influence or easy trade partners. | |||
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"I find it strange and it’s not a Tory or labour thing that anyone would take the attitude of wait and see. When two deals have already proven to be detrimental and below our standards it would be a reasonable assumption that others will follow. Why would anyone argue against trying to stop. any further damage to the food quality imported into this country. Claiming it hasn’t happened yet is defending a theory proven to have failed. It has happened and will again especially if we don’t complain. Surely no one in this country wants poor food imports? Or do they? We should ALL be protesting. why are they detrimental and below our standards? Look at the stats on illness from food poisoning and deaths from food poisoning it’s quite shocking how much worse they are in the US . It’s not a little worse it’s terrible. Yes ive seen that is it the food or the people cooking it? we have a very good food and standards agency in the uk which is very good at protecting public health. Oh that’s ok then and there’s me worrying about the chemicals, hormones and welfare of animals but if it’s just down to cooking Im sure it will be fine., The food related illness in the us is also alleged to be much worded than published as it’s allegedly linked to the amount of chemicals they add as well. So once that’s proven the numbers will be even worse. My brother’s wife is heavily involved in the food issues in the US and her tales are quite frankly disturbing. They only eat organic food at home now ( they can afford it fortunately) and have stopped eating American meat. They do eat meat just not that produced in the US. yet the eu do funny how it was ok until we left and now everyone is up in arms about it? Last summer, the White House announced an important breakthrough in beef trade with the European Union. It rectified a long-standing problem with supplying U.S. beef to Europe. The quota is administered quarterly, and the available capacity (11,250 mt) ran out quickly – often within the first three weeks of the quarter,” explained Dan Halstrom, U.S. Meat Export Federation (USMEF) president and CEO. “When you’re supplying chilled, high-quality U.S. beef to customers in Europe and can only move product in the first few weeks of every quarter, this is not a very sustainable business model.” To address this obstacle, the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative (USTR) reached an agreement with the EU that reserves a portion of the duty-free quota specifically for U.S. beef. The U.S.-specific share begins at 18,500 mt this year (4,625 mt per quarter) and increases annually until reaching 35,000 mt in year seven. Hows the eu let this happen if its so shit i ask myself.
You’re obsessed with the EU.
What has the EU got to do with U.K. food imports and the substandard quality of American food?
This isn’t about Brexit it’s about our health.
Actually, it's about a "trade deal" with individual US states being somehow positive or useful to the UK.
Curiously left unanswered as a big diversion has been created "It’s added costs to U.K. business. Because we don’t have one trade deal we now have 50 to negotiate and ratify and then individual rules to adhere to. Each state we do a deal with has only one deal to worry about. So in answer the cost of admin alone will be difficult for the U.K exporters. Biden had basically just said we don’t matter trade wise . Keep supporting him with our weapons sure if it makes us feel better but we don’t matter in the trade scheme of things. Oh and then add Ireland to the pot. All good eh. Global power . So arrogant and frankly untrue. We’re big but not losing ground economically and the world knows it. Why can’t we just adapt to where we are and benefit from things such as a customs Union instead of fantasising. | |||
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"I find it strange and it’s not a Tory or labour thing that anyone would take the attitude of wait and see. When two deals have already proven to be detrimental and below our standards it would be a reasonable assumption that others will follow. Why would anyone argue against trying to stop. any further damage to the food quality imported into this country. Claiming it hasn’t happened yet is defending a theory proven to have failed. It has happened and will again especially if we don’t complain. Surely no one in this country wants poor food imports? Or do they? We should ALL be protesting. why are they detrimental and below our standards? Look at the stats on illness from food poisoning and deaths from food poisoning it’s quite shocking how much worse they are in the US . It’s not a little worse it’s terrible. Yes ive seen that is it the food or the people cooking it? we have a very good food and standards agency in the uk which is very good at protecting public health. Oh that’s ok then and there’s me worrying about the chemicals, hormones and welfare of animals but if it’s just down to cooking Im sure it will be fine., The food related illness in the us is also alleged to be much worded than published as it’s allegedly linked to the amount of chemicals they add as well. So once that’s proven the numbers will be even worse. My brother’s wife is heavily involved in the food issues in the US and her tales are quite frankly disturbing. They only eat organic food at home now ( they can afford it fortunately) and have stopped eating American meat. They do eat meat just not that produced in the US. yet the eu do funny how it was ok until we left and now everyone is up in arms about it? Last summer, the White House announced an important breakthrough in beef trade with the European Union. It rectified a long-standing problem with supplying U.S. beef to Europe. The quota is administered quarterly, and the available capacity (11,250 mt) ran out quickly – often within the first three weeks of the quarter,” explained Dan Halstrom, U.S. Meat Export Federation (USMEF) president and CEO. “When you’re supplying chilled, high-quality U.S. beef to customers in Europe and can only move product in the first few weeks of every quarter, this is not a very sustainable business model.” To address this obstacle, the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative (USTR) reached an agreement with the EU that reserves a portion of the duty-free quota specifically for U.S. beef. The U.S.-specific share begins at 18,500 mt this year (4,625 mt per quarter) and increases annually until reaching 35,000 mt in year seven. Hows the eu let this happen if its so shit i ask myself.
You’re obsessed with the EU.
What has the EU got to do with U.K. food imports and the substandard quality of American food?
This isn’t about Brexit it’s about our health.
Actually, it's about a "trade deal" with individual US states being somehow positive or useful to the UK.
Curiously left unanswered as a big diversion has been created
It’s added costs to U.K. business.
Because we don’t have one trade deal we now have 50 to negotiate and ratify and then individual rules to adhere to. Each state we do a deal with has only one deal to worry about.
So in answer the cost of admin alone will be difficult for the U.K exporters.
Biden had basically just said we don’t matter trade wise . Keep supporting him with our weapons sure if it makes us feel better but we don’t matter in the trade scheme of things. Oh and then add Ireland to the pot. All good eh.
Global power . So arrogant and frankly untrue.
We’re big but not losing ground economically and the world knows it. Why can’t we just adapt to where we are and benefit from things such as a customs Union instead of fantasising. "Individual states cannot change import tariffs or quotas, just local taxes and planning regulations. How do we identify what comes from what US state? The food discussion is, of course, a distraction. As is the EU discussion as it does not involve a trade deal. | |||
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"I find it strange and it’s not a Tory or labour thing that anyone would take the attitude of wait and see. When two deals have already proven to be detrimental and below our standards it would be a reasonable assumption that others will follow. Why would anyone argue against trying to stop. any further damage to the food quality imported into this country. Claiming it hasn’t happened yet is defending a theory proven to have failed. It has happened and will again especially if we don’t complain. Surely no one in this country wants poor food imports? Or do they? We should ALL be protesting. why are they detrimental and below our standards? Look at the stats on illness from food poisoning and deaths from food poisoning it’s quite shocking how much worse they are in the US . It’s not a little worse it’s terrible. Yes ive seen that is it the food or the people cooking it? we have a very good food and standards agency in the uk which is very good at protecting public health. Oh that’s ok then and there’s me worrying about the chemicals, hormones and welfare of animals but if it’s just down to cooking Im sure it will be fine., The food related illness in the us is also alleged to be much worded than published as it’s allegedly linked to the amount of chemicals they add as well. So once that’s proven the numbers will be even worse. My brother’s wife is heavily involved in the food issues in the US and her tales are quite frankly disturbing. They only eat organic food at home now ( they can afford it fortunately) and have stopped eating American meat. They do eat meat just not that produced in the US. yet the eu do funny how it was ok until we left and now everyone is up in arms about it? Last summer, the White House announced an important breakthrough in beef trade with the European Union. It rectified a long-standing problem with supplying U.S. beef to Europe. The quota is administered quarterly, and the available capacity (11,250 mt) ran out quickly – often within the first three weeks of the quarter,” explained Dan Halstrom, U.S. Meat Export Federation (USMEF) president and CEO. “When you’re supplying chilled, high-quality U.S. beef to customers in Europe and can only move product in the first few weeks of every quarter, this is not a very sustainable business model.” To address this obstacle, the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative (USTR) reached an agreement with the EU that reserves a portion of the duty-free quota specifically for U.S. beef. The U.S.-specific share begins at 18,500 mt this year (4,625 mt per quarter) and increases annually until reaching 35,000 mt in year seven. Hows the eu let this happen if its so shit i ask myself.
You’re obsessed with the EU.
What has the EU got to do with U.K. food imports and the substandard quality of American food?
This isn’t about Brexit it’s about our health. Who,s obsessed i was pointing out the fact that even when we were in the eu we were importing meat from the USA and Australia and no one batted an eyelid but now we have left and can set a tariff free deal its all of a sudden a big health issue. Just want to know why when nothing has changed.
So from your inference we should be following the EU lead ? ( above confirmed it’s hormone free). Hormone treated meat is banned from imports into the EU still I believe.
So we left the EU to strike much better global deals which beexiteers shouted from the hill tops of empire and now you are arguing that we should follow suit and do a mirror deal as the EU? A brexiteer wanting to follow the EU rules!!
Why did we leave again exactly?
The world has gone mad!
Has the uk said that it will import hormone treated beef as i cant seem to find that info anywhere? the idea of leaving was to strike global deals and to do away with Eu protectionist tariffs which will bring prices down. Dont you think we had any rules before we joined the eu ffs? and i dont see anyone wanting to lower standards or that they voted leave because health standards were to high. You seem to think that leavers hated everything about the eu which is certainly not true. My argument is i keep reading on here about it being lowering standards which no one has provided any proof that this is happening and as far as i can see its total speculation.
Costa , you know as well as I do that the EU has improved our health standards with food and the environment. The U.K. has been fully part of that . The U.K. also fully supported that protectionism to protect jobs and industries in the U.K. think Chinese steel flooding into Europe. If it’s not stopped it will result in closures here. The cost savings promised are nonsense due to extra logistics costs. It’s a myth that it will be cheaper ..
It’s only cheaper if it’s poorer in comparison. It’s a bit like a new Mercedes’ against a 20 year old Mondeo. The Mondeo is cheaper but which is better? We have now lost the protection we benefitted from by being in the EU so now we have to agree to anything on offer. Our international balance of payments is going to be worse based on the trade deals agreed so far.
Again money pouring out of the U.K.
Reece mogg and Co were lying over promises of a better cheaper future. When will people start to realise that. The EU wasn’t perfect I totally agree but being out of it is much worse for us.
. We now have no influence or easy trade partners. "Mate give it a bit of time ffs you are a business man things dont happen overnight as we well know with the eu taking 20 years to do a deal that was then rejected. Eu deals were rolled over with most countries the day we left NZ Japan and OZ are almost ratified India is in the pipeline along with Mexico.I also think we will be accepted into the CPTPP in the next year or two even the EU admitted that the uk could move a lot faster than them. Even you must admit with the world in trade turmoil due to covid over the last couple of years it has thrown a spanner in the works. | |||
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"I find it strange and it’s not a Tory or labour thing that anyone would take the attitude of wait and see. When two deals have already proven to be detrimental and below our standards it would be a reasonable assumption that others will follow. Why would anyone argue against trying to stop. any further damage to the food quality imported into this country. Claiming it hasn’t happened yet is defending a theory proven to have failed. It has happened and will again especially if we don’t complain. Surely no one in this country wants poor food imports? Or do they? We should ALL be protesting. why are they detrimental and below our standards? Look at the stats on illness from food poisoning and deaths from food poisoning it’s quite shocking how much worse they are in the US . It’s not a little worse it’s terrible. Yes ive seen that is it the food or the people cooking it? we have a very good food and standards agency in the uk which is very good at protecting public health. Oh that’s ok then and there’s me worrying about the chemicals, hormones and welfare of animals but if it’s just down to cooking Im sure it will be fine., The food related illness in the us is also alleged to be much worded than published as it’s allegedly linked to the amount of chemicals they add as well. So once that’s proven the numbers will be even worse. My brother’s wife is heavily involved in the food issues in the US and her tales are quite frankly disturbing. They only eat organic food at home now ( they can afford it fortunately) and have stopped eating American meat. They do eat meat just not that produced in the US. yet the eu do funny how it was ok until we left and now everyone is up in arms about it? Last summer, the White House announced an important breakthrough in beef trade with the European Union. It rectified a long-standing problem with supplying U.S. beef to Europe. The quota is administered quarterly, and the available capacity (11,250 mt) ran out quickly – often within the first three weeks of the quarter,” explained Dan Halstrom, U.S. Meat Export Federation (USMEF) president and CEO. “When you’re supplying chilled, high-quality U.S. beef to customers in Europe and can only move product in the first few weeks of every quarter, this is not a very sustainable business model.” To address this obstacle, the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative (USTR) reached an agreement with the EU that reserves a portion of the duty-free quota specifically for U.S. beef. The U.S.-specific share begins at 18,500 mt this year (4,625 mt per quarter) and increases annually until reaching 35,000 mt in year seven. Hows the eu let this happen if its so shit i ask myself.
You’re obsessed with the EU.
What has the EU got to do with U.K. food imports and the substandard quality of American food?
This isn’t about Brexit it’s about our health. Who,s obsessed i was pointing out the fact that even when we were in the eu we were importing meat from the USA and Australia and no one batted an eyelid but now we have left and can set a tariff free deal its all of a sudden a big health issue. Just want to know why when nothing has changed.
So from your inference we should be following the EU lead ? ( above confirmed it’s hormone free). Hormone treated meat is banned from imports into the EU still I believe.
So we left the EU to strike much better global deals which beexiteers shouted from the hill tops of empire and now you are arguing that we should follow suit and do a mirror deal as the EU? A brexiteer wanting to follow the EU rules!!
Why did we leave again exactly?
The world has gone mad!
Has the uk said that it will import hormone treated beef as i cant seem to find that info anywhere? the idea of leaving was to strike global deals and to do away with Eu protectionist tariffs which will bring prices down. Dont you think we had any rules before we joined the eu ffs? and i dont see anyone wanting to lower standards or that they voted leave because health standards were to high. You seem to think that leavers hated everything about the eu which is certainly not true. My argument is i keep reading on here about it being lowering standards which no one has provided any proof that this is happening and as far as i can see its total speculation.
Costa , you know as well as I do that the EU has improved our health standards with food and the environment. The U.K. has been fully part of that . The U.K. also fully supported that protectionism to protect jobs and industries in the U.K. think Chinese steel flooding into Europe. If it’s not stopped it will result in closures here. The cost savings promised are nonsense due to extra logistics costs. It’s a myth that it will be cheaper ..
It’s only cheaper if it’s poorer in comparison. It’s a bit like a new Mercedes’ against a 20 year old Mondeo. The Mondeo is cheaper but which is better? We have now lost the protection we benefitted from by being in the EU so now we have to agree to anything on offer. Our international balance of payments is going to be worse based on the trade deals agreed so far.
Again money pouring out of the U.K.
Reece mogg and Co were lying over promises of a better cheaper future. When will people start to realise that. The EU wasn’t perfect I totally agree but being out of it is much worse for us.
. We now have no influence or easy trade partners. Mate give it a bit of time ffs you are a business man things dont happen overnight as we well know with the eu taking 20 years to do a deal that was then rejected.
Eu deals were rolled over with most countries the day we left NZ Japan and OZ are almost ratified India is in the pipeline along with Mexico.I also think we will be accepted into the CPTPP in the next year or two even the EU admitted that the uk could move a lot faster than them. Even you must admit with the world in trade turmoil due to covid over the last couple of years it has thrown a spanner in the works. "Give it time Almost ratified In the pipeline | |||
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"I find it strange and it’s not a Tory or labour thing that anyone would take the attitude of wait and see. When two deals have already proven to be detrimental and below our standards it would be a reasonable assumption that others will follow. Why would anyone argue against trying to stop. any further damage to the food quality imported into this country. Claiming it hasn’t happened yet is defending a theory proven to have failed. It has happened and will again especially if we don’t complain. Surely no one in this country wants poor food imports? Or do they? We should ALL be protesting. why are they detrimental and below our standards? Look at the stats on illness from food poisoning and deaths from food poisoning it’s quite shocking how much worse they are in the US . It’s not a little worse it’s terrible. Yes ive seen that is it the food or the people cooking it? we have a very good food and standards agency in the uk which is very good at protecting public health. Oh that’s ok then and there’s me worrying about the chemicals, hormones and welfare of animals but if it’s just down to cooking Im sure it will be fine., The food related illness in the us is also alleged to be much worded than published as it’s allegedly linked to the amount of chemicals they add as well. So once that’s proven the numbers will be even worse. My brother’s wife is heavily involved in the food issues in the US and her tales are quite frankly disturbing. They only eat organic food at home now ( they can afford it fortunately) and have stopped eating American meat. They do eat meat just not that produced in the US. yet the eu do funny how it was ok until we left and now everyone is up in arms about it? Last summer, the White House announced an important breakthrough in beef trade with the European Union. It rectified a long-standing problem with supplying U.S. beef to Europe. The quota is administered quarterly, and the available capacity (11,250 mt) ran out quickly – often within the first three weeks of the quarter,” explained Dan Halstrom, U.S. Meat Export Federation (USMEF) president and CEO. “When you’re supplying chilled, high-quality U.S. beef to customers in Europe and can only move product in the first few weeks of every quarter, this is not a very sustainable business model.” To address this obstacle, the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative (USTR) reached an agreement with the EU that reserves a portion of the duty-free quota specifically for U.S. beef. The U.S.-specific share begins at 18,500 mt this year (4,625 mt per quarter) and increases annually until reaching 35,000 mt in year seven. Hows the eu let this happen if its so shit i ask myself.
You’re obsessed with the EU.
What has the EU got to do with U.K. food imports and the substandard quality of American food?
This isn’t about Brexit it’s about our health. Who,s obsessed i was pointing out the fact that even when we were in the eu we were importing meat from the USA and Australia and no one batted an eyelid but now we have left and can set a tariff free deal its all of a sudden a big health issue. Just want to know why when nothing has changed.
So from your inference we should be following the EU lead ? ( above confirmed it’s hormone free). Hormone treated meat is banned from imports into the EU still I believe.
So we left the EU to strike much better global deals which beexiteers shouted from the hill tops of empire and now you are arguing that we should follow suit and do a mirror deal as the EU? A brexiteer wanting to follow the EU rules!!
Why did we leave again exactly?
The world has gone mad!
Has the uk said that it will import hormone treated beef as i cant seem to find that info anywhere? the idea of leaving was to strike global deals and to do away with Eu protectionist tariffs which will bring prices down. Dont you think we had any rules before we joined the eu ffs? and i dont see anyone wanting to lower standards or that they voted leave because health standards were to high. You seem to think that leavers hated everything about the eu which is certainly not true. My argument is i keep reading on here about it being lowering standards which no one has provided any proof that this is happening and as far as i can see its total speculation.
Costa , you know as well as I do that the EU has improved our health standards with food and the environment. The U.K. has been fully part of that . The U.K. also fully supported that protectionism to protect jobs and industries in the U.K. think Chinese steel flooding into Europe. If it’s not stopped it will result in closures here. The cost savings promised are nonsense due to extra logistics costs. It’s a myth that it will be cheaper ..
It’s only cheaper if it’s poorer in comparison. It’s a bit like a new Mercedes’ against a 20 year old Mondeo. The Mondeo is cheaper but which is better? We have now lost the protection we benefitted from by being in the EU so now we have to agree to anything on offer. Our international balance of payments is going to be worse based on the trade deals agreed so far.
Again money pouring out of the U.K.
Reece mogg and Co were lying over promises of a better cheaper future. When will people start to realise that. The EU wasn’t perfect I totally agree but being out of it is much worse for us.
. We now have no influence or easy trade partners. Mate give it a bit of time ffs you are a business man things dont happen overnight as we well know with the eu taking 20 years to do a deal that was then rejected.
Eu deals were rolled over with most countries the day we left NZ Japan and OZ are almost ratified India is in the pipeline along with Mexico.I also think we will be accepted into the CPTPP in the next year or two even the EU admitted that the uk could move a lot faster than them. Even you must admit with the world in trade turmoil due to covid over the last couple of years it has thrown a spanner in the works.
Give it time
Almost ratified
In the pipeline
"They "got Brexit done" too, yet full control of UK imports yet to be put in place (remember the automatic systems that were ready to go) and threats to renege on the NI Protocol, again. The one that our government boasted about being brilliant. The world moving to shorter supply chains and on-shoring whilst we reduce trade with our nearest trade partners and persue trade deals with minimal benefits or a loss to our economy. Sure. Let's give it time. Ultimately, after many years of lost opportunity we can get back to where we were before even thinking about progress... | |||
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"I find Has the uk said that it will import hormone treated beef as i cant seem to find that info anywhere? the idea of leaving was to strike global deals and to do away with Eu protectionist tariffs which will bring prices down. Dont you think we had any rules before we joined the eu ffs? and i dont see anyone wanting to lower standards or that they voted leave because health standards were to high. You seem to think that leavers hated everything about the eu which is certainly not true. My argument is i keep reading on here about it being lowering standards which no one has provided any proof that this is happening and as far as i can see its total speculation.
Costa , you know as well as I do that the EU has improved our health standards with food and the environment. The U.K. has been fully part of that . The U.K. also fully supported that protectionism to protect jobs and industries in the U.K. think Chinese steel flooding into Europe. If it’s not stopped it will result in closures here. The cost savings promised are nonsense due to extra logistics costs. It’s a myth that it will be cheaper ..
It’s only cheaper if it’s poorer in comparison. It’s a bit like a new Mercedes’ against a 20 year old Mondeo. The Mondeo is cheaper but which is better? We have now lost the protection we benefitted from by being in the EU so now we have to agree to anything on offer. Our international balance of payments is going to be worse based on the trade deals agreed so far.
Again money pouring out of the U.K.
Reece mogg and Co were lying over promises of a better cheaper future. When will people start to realise that. The EU wasn’t perfect I totally agree but being out of it is much worse for us.
. We now have no influence or easy trade partners. Mate give it a bit of time ffs you are a business man things dont happen overnight as we well know with the eu taking 20 years to do a deal that was then rejected.
Eu deals were rolled over with most countries the day we left NZ Japan and OZ are almost ratified India is in the pipeline along with Mexico.I also think we will be accepted into the CPTPP in the next year or two even the EU admitted that the uk could move a lot faster than them. Even you must admit with the world in trade turmoil due to covid over the last couple of years it has thrown a spanner in the works. "I’ve cut to avoid long page . You see Costa that’s the problem I am in business and one thing you don’t do is wait and see you have to act. ( not always successfully I agree) My own business has additional seven figure costs directly due to Brexit no argument . As I told you in the first year we moved sone U.K. production to Belgium and Italy to avoid the additional costs on certain trades. We are ok as it’s a diverse business but a lot of small businesses who’s sole trade is with the EU are losing money due to stupid unnecessary costs. That money would have been invested here. Those numbers which show less people working are made up of a lot of small business which I agree sone fell due to Covid but a large number closed due to losing their export customers . It’s too easy to say wait and see but the damage is being done right now which will make any long term benefits which as far as I can see they aren’t any, be so insignificant so as to not bring a shred of benefit to the U.K.. Yes the worlds in a mess and we decide to increase our costs and damage the trade with our biggest safest partner. Any decent government not worried about saving face would have realised it’s not working and joined the customs union to reduce costs. But it’s about saving face not about the country. The Japan NZ and Aus deals if all ratified are a negative for the U.K. so what is the point of all this pain. Saying it’s worth a hundred trillion is irrelevant if more of that is money leaving the country to buy tariff free cheaper imported goods. It’s only got one long term outcome and that is to damage uk producers and damage U.K. jobs. . As for the American deal it’s just a joke and it will be fun watching Boris and Co. Try to wrap it up as a success if it is trade deals with individual states. That may change . Looking to the far east look how JCB dealt with the increase in trade there. They built a factory in China . Btw they have one in India too. We will not benefit apart from some high value goods. Cars IT Aerospace . A lot of our trade there is cheap imported crap and we will just make it easier to sell to us . Oh and CPTPP have you seen the labour costs in Mexico? Logistics means the costs for us to trade will be very difficult compared to the EU especially if the trades are smaller. We export to Malaysia but if it suddenly took off we would produce at least near there definitely not in the U.K. it’s common sense . Nearer to the customer and cheaper labour just like JCB . U.K. export trade to the group. ASEAN was £17.7B. This excludes Japan ( negative deal done) and China, (do you really think we will win that one? ) So assuming the China trades will be even, how many years do you think the deals with ASEAN will take to catch up the losses from Brexit ? “Great trade deals” is another bullshit catchphrase. | |||
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"I find Has the uk said that it will import hormone treated beef as i cant seem to find that info anywhere? the idea of leaving was to strike global deals and to do away with Eu protectionist tariffs which will bring prices down. Dont you think we had any rules before we joined the eu ffs? and i dont see anyone wanting to lower standards or that they voted leave because health standards were to high. You seem to think that leavers hated everything about the eu which is certainly not true. My argument is i keep reading on here about it being lowering standards which no one has provided any proof that this is happening and as far as i can see its total speculation.
Costa , you know as well as I do that the EU has improved our health standards with food and the environment. The U.K. has been fully part of that . The U.K. also fully supported that protectionism to protect jobs and industries in the U.K. think Chinese steel flooding into Europe. If it’s not stopped it will result in closures here. The cost savings promised are nonsense due to extra logistics costs. It’s a myth that it will be cheaper ..
It’s only cheaper if it’s poorer in comparison. It’s a bit like a new Mercedes’ against a 20 year old Mondeo. The Mondeo is cheaper but which is better? We have now lost the protection we benefitted from by being in the EU so now we have to agree to anything on offer. Our international balance of payments is going to be worse based on the trade deals agreed so far.
Again money pouring out of the U.K.
Reece mogg and Co were lying over promises of a better cheaper future. When will people start to realise that. The EU wasn’t perfect I totally agree but being out of it is much worse for us.
. We now have no influence or easy trade partners. Mate give it a bit of time ffs you are a business man things dont happen overnight as we well know with the eu taking 20 years to do a deal that was then rejected.
Eu deals were rolled over with most countries the day we left NZ Japan and OZ are almost ratified India is in the pipeline along with Mexico.I also think we will be accepted into the CPTPP in the next year or two even the EU admitted that the uk could move a lot faster than them. Even you must admit with the world in trade turmoil due to covid over the last couple of years it has thrown a spanner in the works.
I’ve cut to avoid long page .
You see Costa that’s the problem I am in business and one thing you don’t do is wait and see you have to act. ( not always successfully I agree)
My own business has additional seven figure costs directly due to Brexit no argument . As I told you in the first year we moved sone U.K. production to Belgium and Italy to avoid the additional costs on certain trades. We are ok as it’s a diverse business but a lot of small businesses who’s sole trade is with the EU are losing money due to stupid unnecessary costs. That money would have been invested here.
Those numbers which show less people working are made up of a lot of small business which I agree sone fell due to Covid but a large number closed due to losing their export customers .
It’s too easy to say wait and see but the damage is being done right now which will make any long term benefits which as far as I can see they aren’t any, be so insignificant so as to not bring a shred of benefit to the U.K..
Yes the worlds in a mess and we decide to increase our costs and damage the trade with our biggest safest partner. Any decent government not worried about saving face would have realised it’s not working and joined the customs union to reduce costs. But it’s about saving face not about the country.
The Japan NZ and Aus deals if all ratified are a negative for the U.K. so what is the point of all this pain. Saying it’s worth a hundred trillion is irrelevant if more of that is money leaving the country to buy tariff free cheaper imported goods. It’s only got one long term outcome and that is to damage uk producers and damage U.K. jobs. .
As for the American deal it’s just a joke and it will be fun watching Boris and Co. Try to wrap it up as a success if it is trade deals with individual states. That may change .
Looking to the far east look how JCB dealt with the increase in trade there. They built a factory in China . Btw they have one in India too. We will not benefit apart from some high value goods. Cars IT Aerospace . A lot of our trade there is cheap imported crap and we will just make it easier to sell to us . Oh and CPTPP have you seen the labour costs in Mexico?
Logistics means the costs for us to trade will be very difficult compared to the EU especially if the trades are smaller. We export to Malaysia but if it suddenly took off we would produce at least near there definitely not in the U.K. it’s common sense . Nearer to the customer and cheaper labour just like JCB .
U.K. export trade to the group. ASEAN was £17.7B. This excludes Japan ( negative deal done) and China, (do you really think we will win that one? )
So assuming the China trades will be even, how many years do you think the deals with ASEAN will take to catch up the losses from Brexit ?
“Great trade deals” is another bullshit catchphrase. "Your business has millions of pounds extra costs due to brexit? .Any small business that has relied solely on eu trade have really not had a good business model and had years to adapt while the remainers halted the process.The uk for many years have not been a major exporter of goods yet that seems to be the only thing you concentrate on, we have been a country that provides tech,banking,pharma along with other things for years now and the majority of small buissness,s you are concerned with are profitable due to the home market they have never needed the eu. | |||
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"I find Has the uk said that it will import hormone treated beef as i cant seem to find that info anywhere? the idea of leaving was to strike global deals and to do away with Eu protectionist tariffs which will bring prices down. Dont you think we had any rules before we joined the eu ffs? and i dont see anyone wanting to lower standards or that they voted leave because health standards were to high. You seem to think that leavers hated everything about the eu which is certainly not true. My argument is i keep reading on here about it being lowering standards which no one has provided any proof that this is happening and as far as i can see its total speculation.
Costa , you know as well as I do that the EU has improved our health standards with food and the environment. The U.K. has been fully part of that . The U.K. also fully supported that protectionism to protect jobs and industries in the U.K. think Chinese steel flooding into Europe. If it’s not stopped it will result in closures here. The cost savings promised are nonsense due to extra logistics costs. It’s a myth that it will be cheaper ..
It’s only cheaper if it’s poorer in comparison. It’s a bit like a new Mercedes’ against a 20 year old Mondeo. The Mondeo is cheaper but which is better? We have now lost the protection we benefitted from by being in the EU so now we have to agree to anything on offer. Our international balance of payments is going to be worse based on the trade deals agreed so far.
Again money pouring out of the U.K.
Reece mogg and Co were lying over promises of a better cheaper future. When will people start to realise that. The EU wasn’t perfect I totally agree but being out of it is much worse for us.
. We now have no influence or easy trade partners. Mate give it a bit of time ffs you are a business man things dont happen overnight as we well know with the eu taking 20 years to do a deal that was then rejected.
Eu deals were rolled over with most countries the day we left NZ Japan and OZ are almost ratified India is in the pipeline along with Mexico.I also think we will be accepted into the CPTPP in the next year or two even the EU admitted that the uk could move a lot faster than them. Even you must admit with the world in trade turmoil due to covid over the last couple of years it has thrown a spanner in the works.
I’ve cut to avoid long page .
You see Costa that’s the problem I am in business and one thing you don’t do is wait and see you have to act. ( not always successfully I agree)
My own business has additional seven figure costs directly due to Brexit no argument . As I told you in the first year we moved sone U.K. production to Belgium and Italy to avoid the additional costs on certain trades. We are ok as it’s a diverse business but a lot of small businesses who’s sole trade is with the EU are losing money due to stupid unnecessary costs. That money would have been invested here.
Those numbers which show less people working are made up of a lot of small business which I agree sone fell due to Covid but a large number closed due to losing their export customers .
It’s too easy to say wait and see but the damage is being done right now which will make any long term benefits which as far as I can see they aren’t any, be so insignificant so as to not bring a shred of benefit to the U.K..
Yes the worlds in a mess and we decide to increase our costs and damage the trade with our biggest safest partner. Any decent government not worried about saving face would have realised it’s not working and joined the customs union to reduce costs. But it’s about saving face not about the country.
The Japan NZ and Aus deals if all ratified are a negative for the U.K. so what is the point of all this pain. Saying it’s worth a hundred trillion is irrelevant if more of that is money leaving the country to buy tariff free cheaper imported goods. It’s only got one long term outcome and that is to damage uk producers and damage U.K. jobs. .
As for the American deal it’s just a joke and it will be fun watching Boris and Co. Try to wrap it up as a success if it is trade deals with individual states. That may change .
Looking to the far east look how JCB dealt with the increase in trade there. They built a factory in China . Btw they have one in India too. We will not benefit apart from some high value goods. Cars IT Aerospace . A lot of our trade there is cheap imported crap and we will just make it easier to sell to us . Oh and CPTPP have you seen the labour costs in Mexico?
Logistics means the costs for us to trade will be very difficult compared to the EU especially if the trades are smaller. We export to Malaysia but if it suddenly took off we would produce at least near there definitely not in the U.K. it’s common sense . Nearer to the customer and cheaper labour just like JCB .
U.K. export trade to the group. ASEAN was £17.7B. This excludes Japan ( negative deal done) and China, (do you really think we will win that one? )
So assuming the China trades will be even, how many years do you think the deals with ASEAN will take to catch up the losses from Brexit ?
“Great trade deals” is another bullshit catchphrase. Your business has millions of pounds extra costs due to brexit? .Any small business that has relied solely on eu trade have really not had a good business model and had years to adapt while the remainers halted the process.The uk for many years have not been a major exporter of goods yet that seems to be the only thing you concentrate on, we have been a country that provides tech,banking,pharma along with other things for years now and the majority of small buissness,s you are concerned with are profitable due to the home market they have never needed the eu."You aren't directly involved in international trade are you? | |||
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"I find Has the uk said that it will import hormone treated beef as i cant seem to find that info anywhere? the idea of leaving was to strike global deals and to do away with Eu protectionist tariffs which will bring prices down. Dont you think we had any rules before we joined the eu ffs? and i dont see anyone wanting to lower standards or that they voted leave because health standards were to high. You seem to think that leavers hated everything about the eu which is certainly not true. My argument is i keep reading on here about it being lowering standards which no one has provided any proof that this is happening and as far as i can see its total speculation.
Costa , you know as well as I do that the EU has improved our health standards with food and the environment. The U.K. has been fully part of that . The U.K. also fully supported that protectionism to protect jobs and industries in the U.K. think Chinese steel flooding into Europe. If it’s not stopped it will result in closures here. The cost savings promised are nonsense due to extra logistics costs. It’s a myth that it will be cheaper ..
It’s only cheaper if it’s poorer in comparison. It’s a bit like a new Mercedes’ against a 20 year old Mondeo. The Mondeo is cheaper but which is better? We have now lost the protection we benefitted from by being in the EU so now we have to agree to anything on offer. Our international balance of payments is going to be worse based on the trade deals agreed so far.
Again money pouring out of the U.K.
Reece mogg and Co were lying over promises of a better cheaper future. When will people start to realise that. The EU wasn’t perfect I totally agree but being out of it is much worse for us.
. We now have no influence or easy trade partners. Mate give it a bit of time ffs you are a business man things dont happen overnight as we well know with the eu taking 20 years to do a deal that was then rejected.
Eu deals were rolled over with most countries the day we left NZ Japan and OZ are almost ratified India is in the pipeline along with Mexico.I also think we will be accepted into the CPTPP in the next year or two even the EU admitted that the uk could move a lot faster than them. Even you must admit with the world in trade turmoil due to covid over the last couple of years it has thrown a spanner in the works.
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You see Costa that’s the problem I am in business and one thing you don’t do is wait and see you have to act. ( not always successfully I agree)
My own business has additional seven figure costs directly due to Brexit no argument . As I told you in the first year we moved sone U.K. production to Belgium and Italy to avoid the additional costs on certain trades. We are ok as it’s a diverse business but a lot of small businesses who’s sole trade is with the EU are losing money due to stupid unnecessary costs. That money would have been invested here.
Those numbers which show less people working are made up of a lot of small business which I agree sone fell due to Covid but a large number closed due to losing their export customers .
It’s too easy to say wait and see but the damage is being done right now which will make any long term benefits which as far as I can see they aren’t any, be so insignificant so as to not bring a shred of benefit to the U.K..
Yes the worlds in a mess and we decide to increase our costs and damage the trade with our biggest safest partner. Any decent government not worried about saving face would have realised it’s not working and joined the customs union to reduce costs. But it’s about saving face not about the country.
The Japan NZ and Aus deals if all ratified are a negative for the U.K. so what is the point of all this pain. Saying it’s worth a hundred trillion is irrelevant if more of that is money leaving the country to buy tariff free cheaper imported goods. It’s only got one long term outcome and that is to damage uk producers and damage U.K. jobs. .
As for the American deal it’s just a joke and it will be fun watching Boris and Co. Try to wrap it up as a success if it is trade deals with individual states. That may change .
Looking to the far east look how JCB dealt with the increase in trade there. They built a factory in China . Btw they have one in India too. We will not benefit apart from some high value goods. Cars IT Aerospace . A lot of our trade there is cheap imported crap and we will just make it easier to sell to us . Oh and CPTPP have you seen the labour costs in Mexico?
Logistics means the costs for us to trade will be very difficult compared to the EU especially if the trades are smaller. We export to Malaysia but if it suddenly took off we would produce at least near there definitely not in the U.K. it’s common sense . Nearer to the customer and cheaper labour just like JCB .
U.K. export trade to the group. ASEAN was £17.7B. This excludes Japan ( negative deal done) and China, (do you really think we will win that one? )
So assuming the China trades will be even, how many years do you think the deals with ASEAN will take to catch up the losses from Brexit ?
“Great trade deals” is another bullshit catchphrase. Your business has millions of pounds extra costs due to brexit? .Any small business that has relied solely on eu trade have really not had a good business model and had years to adapt while the remainers halted the process.The uk for many years have not been a major exporter of goods yet that seems to be the only thing you concentrate on, we have been a country that provides tech,banking,pharma along with other things for years now and the majority of small buissness,s you are concerned with are profitable due to the home market they have never needed the eu."Yes shocking but reality regarding costs. Why do you think we had to move some business? It was low margin high volume and didn’t work from the U.K. We have also moved a lot of trade to our short sea container routes away from trailers to enable batch clearing to cut costs. I’m not concentrating on exporters as you say I’m showing the impact in a easier format. As for U.K. only business yes that’s great as they don’t have to export but what raw materials do they use or what goods do they import to manufacture or sell? It’s all now got added costs for those imports which are form the EU. That in turn puts up cost to their customers . Saying it’s U.K. only business is just nonsense. There are no houses in this country that don’t have something imported just as there are no businesses who don’t either. Even if they buy local from a wholesaler the goods will be imported at some point. . Some may be fortunate and have been importing from outside the EU. If it’s from the Far East the pain of logistics costs tripling will be intense . So yes that aren’t affected by Brexit. Well apart from U.K. transport costs due to a shortage of drivers and workers. Delays cost. Financial services are the least likely to trade but their offices will be full of kit imported . Trade is not just U.K. unless you’re chopping a tree down and making a bench ! I know you think I’m a negative on all this and well I am but what’s worse for me is the lack of any plan to get us out f this mess that Boris got us into. Saying in years it will be ok is wishful thinking. Btw if you look at the top 15 companies in the world 30 years ago not one of them is in the top 20 today. So those that are top now, were non existent , small or SMEs 30 years ago. Small businesses become big given the chance. This is from Warren Buffet no me. | |||
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