FabSwingers.com forum: Johnson broke the law. Should he resign?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I say yes. 100%

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By *ighty_tightyMan
over a year ago

Norfolk/Suffolk

Do we need another thread on this?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do we need another thread on this?

Yes, definitely

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Do we need another thread on this?

It was bad timing on my part. I started this thread without spotting there was another 1 basically saying the same thing. If the other thread stays busier, I'll let this 1 die

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By *ighty_tightyMan
over a year ago

Norfolk/Suffolk

It's already busier

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It's already busier

Read what I said just above. I said it was busier. Ironically, by arguing you are now making this thread busier than it needs to be...

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr

"I say yes. 100%"

He should have resigned for lying to Parliament.

Anyone who still thinks he's fit to run the country, is no better than he is.

They have no integrity and no credibility.

They are worthy of nothing but scorn, derision and justifiably utter contempt.

If you, as a Tory, object to being thought of in such a way; stop giving us all cause to.

Reject Johnson's faux apology and tell him that he has to go because the rules apply equally, to us all.

If you don't believe they do - you make my point on scorn, derision and contempt for me.

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By *itzi999Woman
over a year ago

Slough

No, he should not resign.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"No, he should not resign. "

I there anything that would make you think he should resign? Breaking the law + lying clearly aint enough for you, so what is?

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By *ayturners turn hayMan
over a year ago

Wellingborugh

"No, he should not resign.

I there anything that would make you think he should resign? Breaking the law + lying clearly aint enough for you, so what is?"
Loads of people potentially broke the law during the crisis. Are you going to trawl through all the CCTV cameras in order to identify them and issue fixed penalty notice. Receiving a fixed penalty notice is hardly breaking the law. Lots of people get parking tickets or speeding fines. Only a fool would resign over a fixed penalty notice.

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

"Only a fool would resign over a fixed penalty notice. "

But Boris is a fool.

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By *ustintime69Man
over a year ago

firest hill

"No, he should not resign.

I there anything that would make you think he should resign? Breaking the law + lying clearly aint enough for you, so what is? Loads of people potentially broke the law during the crisis. Are you going to trawl through all the CCTV cameras in order to identify them and issue fixed penalty notice. Receiving a fixed penalty notice is hardly breaking the law. Lots of people get parking tickets or speeding fines. Only a fool would resign over a fixed penalty notice. "

The problem is he lied to parliament repeatedly and despite your willingness to turn a blind eye and downplay the gravity of his choice it is dishonest and he should go.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you feel strongly enough to write to your MP, here is a helpful link to make things more simple..

https://www.writetothem.com/

And here is a template for you to use / modify as you please:-

Dear

It is another terrible day for the public's trust in UK democratic government. I find myself yet again furious at the appalling behaviour of our elected representatives, focussing my ire on those culpable within your party and government, despite the supposed standards that have to be followed. In that regard, can I please remind you of what is set out in the ministerial code.

In the forward, written by the current Prime Minister:

"....to fulfil this mission, and win back the trust of the British people, we must uphold the very highest standards of propriety – and this code sets out how we must do so."

"There must be no bullying and no harassment.... no breach of collective responsibility. No misuse of taxpayer money and no actual or perceived conflicts of interest. The precious principles of public life enshrined in this document – integrity, objectivity, accountability, transparency, honesty and leadership in the public interest – must be honoured at all times"

In the main body of the document:

"It is of paramount importance that Ministers give accurate and truthful information to Parliament, correcting any inadvertent error at the earliest opportunity. Ministers who knowingly mislead Parliament will be expected to offer their resignation to the Prime Minister"

On the Nolan Principles:

"Honesty: Holders of public office should be truthful."

"Leadership: Holders of public office should exhibit these principles in their own behaviour. "

Please bear these obligations in mind, when considering the following statements made by the Prime Minister:

First, in the house on the 1st December 2021: "All guidance was followed completely in No 10".

Then six days later: "...all the guidelines were followed".

Then in the house on the 8th December 2021: "I have been repeatedly assured since these allegations emerged that there was no party and that no Covid rules were broken".

Then on the 13th December: "I can tell you that I certainly broke no rules".

In the context of the above, I observe the news today that the Prime Minister and the Chancellor have both been fined for breaking the Covid laws put in place by the very same government that they lead.

Given the requirements clearly stated by the Prime Minister in the ministerial code, and his statements to the house and to the press at the end of last year, and the conviction for breaking the law, it is clear that the ministers have indeed broken the code, and should therefore tender their resignations. If they fail to do this, this implies that there are in fact no principles of public life, that the codes are not worth the paper that they are written on, and that our entire body of law, constitution and manner of government is a sham and is broken beyond repair. It also suggests that it is one rule for the elite and another for plebs such as myself. Given the extreme sacrifices that we the common people made in order to comply with the law, and even the Queen made in the hours of her greatest loss, it is completely unacceptable for members of the government to so blatantly and without any regard whatsoever, break both the law and many of your own standards and principles without their being any serious consequences.

I therefore strongly suggest that the positions of the current PM and the Chancellor are now untenable, and if they refuse to act in accordance with their own standards and their own laws, it is the responsibility of every remaining member of the conservative party to state that they no longer have any confidence in these people. If you and your colleagues fail to do this, all I can determine from this is that the whole conservative party is one of dishonour, it cannot ever be trusted, and is not fit to even stand for government, let alone lead it.

The public trust in UK government, the trust in our democracy at large, and the integrity of your party and its future is now in your hands. I would suggest that you think very carefully about how much is at risk here, before considering doing nothing in response. As the quotation says (incorrectly attributed to Edmund Burke): "All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men (and women) to do nothing."

Yours sincerely

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

The problem is he lied to parliament repeatedly and despite your willingness to turn a blind eye and downplay the gravity of his choice it is dishonest and he should go."

On eight different occasions Johnson lied and said no rules had been broken.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"No, he should not resign. "

Obviously the lying sack of shit should have resigned for one of the other lies or some of the other sleaze.

But this post tells you a lot about the people who vote Tory. They don't give a fuck what he does and says.

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By *ev257Man
over a year ago

cardiff

Yes, especially when it was something he came on TV to warn the general public not to do, then he goes n does it himself n acts stupid saying " I don't know, have I broken the law".

Plus when covid first started n the leaders of other countries started meeting each other on the weekends, Boris didn't attend any n had the cheek to say " l value my weekends away n I won't give them up for covid".

The guy is a fucking idiot.

Needs to go.

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By *ev257Man
over a year ago

cardiff

Where is Lee Harvey Oswald when you need him.

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol

"Where is Lee Harvey Oswald when you need him."

Psst!!

He didn’t do it

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

"Yes, especially when it was something he came on TV to warn the general public not to do, then he goes n does it himself n acts stupid saying " I don't know, have I broken the law".

The guy is a fucking idiot.

Needs to go."

LBC radio journalist is investigating the rumour that Boris and Carrie repeatedly moved between houses each weekend after lockdown. A whistleblower reported that the reasons were purely social . The staff were not allowed to mix but had to attend each time the couple wanted to move in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes, especially when it was something he came on TV to warn the general public not to do, then he goes n does it himself n acts stupid saying " I don't know, have I broken the law".

The guy is a fucking idiot.

Needs to go.

He will have broke the covid ‘laws’ dozens of times,

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Yes, especially when it was something he came on TV to warn the general public not to do, then he goes n does it himself n acts stupid saying " I don't know, have I broken the law".

The guy is a fucking idiot.

Needs to go.

He will have broke the covid ‘laws’ dozens of times, "

Ah but it doesn't matter if the PM broke the law. Hadn't you heard? Laws, eh? Who needs em?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes, especially when it was something he came on TV to warn the general public not to do, then he goes n does it himself n acts stupid saying " I don't know, have I broken the law".

The guy is a fucking idiot.

Needs to go.

He will have broke the covid ‘laws’ dozens of times,

Ah but it doesn't matter if the PM broke the law. Hadn't you heard? Laws, eh? Who needs em?"

True, I guess it doesn’t matter, he may as well break a few more

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Yes, especially when it was something he came on TV to warn the general public not to do, then he goes n does it himself n acts stupid saying " I don't know, have I broken the law".

The guy is a fucking idiot.

Needs to go.

He will have broke the covid ‘laws’ dozens of times,

Ah but it doesn't matter if the PM broke the law. Hadn't you heard? Laws, eh? Who needs em?

True, I guess it doesn’t matter, he may as well break a few more "

Might as well go for the full bingo

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Boring

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"I say yes. 100%"
no he should be sacked

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Boring "

Yet you went to the trouble to read the thread abs comment

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I say yes. 100%no he should be sacked "

But he ‘got Brexit done’ and has apologised,

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

So my usual comment is that one more scandal will do him. But that was at least five or six scandals ago (and I’m being generous)

I think with what else is going on in the world will work in his favour and he will stick around for a few more scandals yet.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

100% he should. He won't and has a shit for brains Cabinet, who have no moral backboneml. His party is little better.

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke.

"So my usual comment is that one more scandal will do him. But that was at least five or six scandals ago (and I’m being generous)

I think with what else is going on in the world will work in his favour and he will stick around for a few more scandals yet. "

Yup. He'll be a choice at the next General Election on Thursday, May 2, 2024.

So, only 2 years, 20 days to go to get campaigning.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"100% he should. He won't and has a shit for brains Cabinet, who have no moral backboneml. His party is little better. "

He makes me ashamed to be British, imagine having that thing as our leader, no wonder the world is laughing at us

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"No, he should not resign.

During lockdowns, nobody thought of breaking the Covid laws as equivalent to getting a parking ticket.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"100% he should. He won't and has a shit for brains Cabinet, who have no moral backboneml. His party is little better.

He makes me ashamed to be British, imagine having that thing as our leader, no wonder the world is laughing at us

I fully agree!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No, he should not resign.

During lockdowns, nobody thought of breaking the Covid laws as equivalent to getting a parking ticket.

Only fools and the government

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"I say yes. 100%no he should be sacked

But he ‘got Brexit done’ and has apologised,

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exactly he got brexit done lol jobs a gudun now piss off bj and why are you ashamed of being British ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I say yes. 100%no he should be sacked

But he ‘got Brexit done’ and has apologised,

exactly he got brexit done lol jobs a gudun now piss off bj and why are you ashamed of being British ? "

Because we elected a lying , law breaking narcissist to the highest position in the land , and millions are still defending him, makes me ashamed,

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"I say yes. 100%no he should be sacked

But he ‘got Brexit done’ and has apologised,

exactly he got brexit done lol jobs a gudun now piss off bj and why are you ashamed of being British ?

Because we elected a lying , law breaking narcissist to the highest position in the land , and millions are still defending him, makes me ashamed, "
but you didn’t vote for him mate so grow up ffs ashamed so are you walking round with your head bowed can’t look people in the eye fucking hell half the world leaders are as bad or worse than our Far East Middle East USA Russia South America to name a few

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I say yes. 100%no he should be sacked

But he ‘got Brexit done’ and has apologised,

exactly he got brexit done lol jobs a gudun now piss off bj and why are you ashamed of being British ?

Because we elected a lying , law breaking narcissist to the highest position in the land , and millions are still defending him, makes me ashamed, but you didn’t vote for him mate so grow up ffs ashamed so are you walking round with your head bowed can’t look people in the eye fucking hell half the world leaders are as bad or worse than our Far East Middle East USA Russia South America to name a few "

Why are you getting narky? He makes me ashamed to be British, do you think we deserve better? Or are you happy he is holding the most important position in the country

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By *9alMan
over a year ago

Bridgend

"100% he should. He won't and has a shit for brains Cabinet, who have no moral backboneml. His party is little better.

He makes me ashamed to be British, imagine having that thing as our leader, no wonder the world is laughing at us

I fully agree! "

at a recent summit meeting no other world leaders wanted anything to do with BJ the rest of the world has no respect for a country with a lying buffoon as its leader

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

The justice Minister has resigned with a stinging rebuke to Boris.

Boris will be thinking oh if there’s no justice Minister it’s a free for all now.

How can he not see and feel the utter contempt the majority of people in this country have for him.

Entitled doesn’t cover it anymore. He’s a narcissist lacking in any empathy for anyone his only concern is himself.

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By *mateur100Man
over a year ago

nr faversham

I voted Tory but yes he should stand down

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

The only people who resign are those with integrity. People make mistakes, once and learn from it. Not so these clowns. Just an ongoing journey of mistakes

So Johnson won’t resign. Nor will Sunak.

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By *ayturners turn hayMan
over a year ago

Wellingborugh

"The justice Minister has resigned with a stinging rebuke to Boris.

Boris will be thinking oh if there’s no justice Minister it’s a free for all now.

How can he not see and feel the utter contempt the majority of people in this country have for him.

Entitled doesn’t cover it anymore. He’s a narcissist lacking in any empathy for anyone his only concern is himself.

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. You might need to reword what you wrote. It should read some people hold him in contempt. An 80 seat majority at the last election hardly put his supporters in a minority . It was a stunning achievement and by no means a forgone conclusion The opinions of a vocal minority determined to run a persistent hate campaign against Boris are hardly relevant . His has continued his success in office. A very successfull EU withdrawal programme followed by managing Covid with a very low excess death rate . Ukraine regard the UK as one of the world leaders in the fight against Russia . If we were to have an election to morrow , Boris would probably be re elected.

Most people recognise success and do not base their opinions on a very vocal minority who seem to think that their thoughts represent everyone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The justice Minister has resigned with a stinging rebuke to Boris.

Boris will be thinking oh if there’s no justice Minister it’s a free for all now.

How can he not see and feel the utter contempt the majority of people in this country have for him.

Entitled doesn’t cover it anymore. He’s a narcissist lacking in any empathy for anyone his only concern is himself.

. You might need to reword what you wrote. It should read some people hold him in contempt. An 80 seat majority at the last election hardly put his supporters in a minority . It was a stunning achievement and by no means a forgone conclusion The opinions of a vocal minority determined to run a persistent hate campaign against Boris are hardly relevant . His has continued his success in office. A very successfull EU withdrawal programme followed by managing Covid with a very low excess death rate . Ukraine regard the UK as one of the world leaders in the fight against Russia . If we were to have an election to morrow , Boris would probably be re elected.

Most people recognise success and do not base their opinions on a very vocal minority who seem to think that their thoughts represent everyone. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

^^^ soooo much bait!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"^^^ soooo much bait!!"

Indeed, but when you realise he is a parody, so much comedy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"^^^ soooo much bait!!

Indeed, but when you realise he is a parody, so much comedy

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my favourite part is not that it sounds like a Tory supporter, but could be straight out of the mouth of their MPs.

Art becomes life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"^^^ soooo much bait!!

Indeed, but when you realise he is a parody, so much comedy

my favourite part is not that it sounds like a Tory supporter, but could be straight out of the mouth of their MPs.

Art becomes life. "

It is sublime satire, up to now he has only managed to fool one fool, bless her

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"I say yes. 100%no he should be sacked

But he ‘got Brexit done’ and has apologised,

exactly he got brexit done lol jobs a gudun now piss off bj and why are you ashamed of being British ?

Why are you getting narky? He makes me ashamed to be British, do you think we deserve better? Or are you happy he is holding the most important position in the country "
im not nearly but to say you are ashamed to be British because of Boris is childish grow up mate I’m not ashamed to be British lots worse leaders than him should Russians be ashamed to be Russian because of putin ?

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

"The justice Minister has resigned with a stinging rebuke to Boris.

Boris will be thinking oh if there’s no justice Minister it’s a free for all now.

How can he not see and feel the utter contempt the majority of people in this country have for him.

Entitled doesn’t cover it anymore. He’s a narcissist lacking in any empathy for anyone his only concern is himself.

Most people recognise success and do not base their opinions on a very vocal minority who seem to think that their thoughts represent everyone. "

Definitely a troll but a very amateur one .

More people didn’t vote for Boris so his detractors are in the majority but don’t let facts get in your way.

A successful Brexit. Ha ha. Our economy has shrunk and is predicted to have become at least 4% smaller which means in real term a 40-50 Billion pound loss per year to the exchequer . ONS figures so from Boris himself.

600k less people working.

Chronic shortages of staff in the NHS , hospitality and the tourism industries.

You are right regarding his success with Covid though. We are a leading, in fact top ten in the amount of deaths for a country so I’m sure you’re very proud of that as of course death is inevitable. Boris has just speeded up the “inevitable” for tens of thousands. Excellent performance and you as his leading champion of his successes will be delighted in all those excess deaths.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"The justice Minister has resigned with a stinging rebuke to Boris.

Boris will be thinking oh if there’s no justice Minister it’s a free for all now.

How can he not see and feel the utter contempt the majority of people in this country have for him.

Entitled doesn’t cover it anymore. He’s a narcissist lacking in any empathy for anyone his only concern is himself.

Most people recognise success and do not base their opinions on a very vocal minority who seem to think that their thoughts represent everyone.

Definitely a troll but a very amateur one .

More people didn’t vote for Boris so his detractors are in the majority but don’t let facts get in your way.

600k less people working.

Chronic shortages of staff in the NHS , hospitality and the tourism industries.

It simply has to be satire!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The justice Minister has resigned with a stinging rebuke to Boris.

Boris will be thinking oh if there’s no justice Minister it’s a free for all now.

How can he not see and feel the utter contempt the majority of people in this country have for him.

Entitled doesn’t cover it anymore. He’s a narcissist lacking in any empathy for anyone his only concern is himself.

Most people recognise success and do not base their opinions on a very vocal minority who seem to think that their thoughts represent everyone.

Definitely a troll but a very amateur one .

More people didn’t vote for Boris so his detractors are in the majority but don’t let facts get in your way.

600k less people working.

Chronic shortages of staff in the NHS , hospitality and the tourism industries.

It simply has to be satire!"

Surreal more like

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

I think he’s stalking me now . How exciting I have a stalker.

Shame he’s a bit crap.

I suspect it’s because I made fun of his made up posts. He keeps ignoring my facts so not a good look.

Rhetoric over reality is not a good debating stance but he is a emulating his hero so I can understand it.

Ignorance is bliss as they say.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

the narrative will most likely change from 'Johnski broke the law' to 'Johnski repeatedly broke the law' as the investigation slowly gets through the rest of the allegations which have not yet been scrutinised by the met.

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By *ayturners turn hayMan
over a year ago

Wellingborugh

"The justice Minister has resigned with a stinging rebuke to Boris.

Boris will be thinking oh if there’s no justice Minister it’s a free for all now.

How can he not see and feel the utter contempt the majority of people in this country have for him.

Entitled doesn’t cover it anymore. He’s a narcissist lacking in any empathy for anyone his only concern is himself.

Most people recognise success and do not base their opinions on a very vocal minority who seem to think that their thoughts represent everyone.

Definitely a troll but a very amateur one .

More people didn’t vote for Boris so his detractors are in the majority but don’t let facts get in your way.

600k less people working.

Chronic shortages of staff in the NHS , hospitality and the tourism industries.

It simply has to be satire!"

Maybe you need to analyse the excess deaths in a little more detail .

During the autumn and early winter months central and eastern European countries had the highest levels of excess mortality in Europe; western European countries still experienced some excess mortality but at lower levels than those experienced in the spring.

Of all countries analysed, Poland had the greatest cumulative excess mortality (relative cumulative age-standardised mortality rates, (rcASMRs)) by 18 December 2020, at 11.6% above the five-year average.

The highest peak in weekly excess mortality (relative age-standardised mortality rates (rASMRs)) in the autumn was in Bulgaria, at 112.3% (week ending 27 November), but this was the second-highest peak in the year overall, behind Spain at 142.9% in week ending 3 April; the UK's highest peak was 101.5% (week ending 17 April).

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By *ixi n DogCouple
over a year ago

Pembrokeshire

By rights he should go for the bullshit and the fake outrage he aimed at his own staff when all this first came to light. Not a great time for a change in leadership or an election though, but then again when is?

As for 'breaking the law', that in itself was an offence that resulted in a fifty quid fine. By that logic every person in office would have to be sacked for even the most trivial offence like speeding or dropping litter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The justice Minister has resigned with a stinging rebuke to Boris.

Boris will be thinking oh if there’s no justice Minister it’s a free for all now.

How can he not see and feel the utter contempt the majority of people in this country have for him.

Entitled doesn’t cover it anymore. He’s a narcissist lacking in any empathy for anyone his only concern is himself.

Most people recognise success and do not base their opinions on a very vocal minority who seem to think that their thoughts represent everyone.

Definitely a troll but a very amateur one .

More people didn’t vote for Boris so his detractors are in the majority but don’t let facts get in your way.

600k less people working.

Chronic shortages of staff in the NHS , hospitality and the tourism industries.

It simply has to be satire!

Maybe you need to analyse the excess deaths in a little more detail .

What is your number for 26 feb 2021?

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By *6travellerMan
over a year ago

Tayside, Midlands and Chester

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"NO"

You know your place

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"NO"

Johnson is a proven liar, lawbreaker and hypocrite. He also has zero moral authority now when it comes to telling any of us what to do. All of those things make his position utterly untenable.

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By *oubleswing2019Man
over a year ago

Colchester

If we lived in Japan, Boris would be offering a public apology and then falling on his sword for bringing his party, his work colleagues, and himself in to dishonour.

Those not supporting his resignation are either tacitly turning a blind eye to it, or condoning it by acquiescence.

Neither are honourable actions, and speak volumes about said individuals.

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By *irtyold manMan
over a year ago

barnsley

Boris should resigne and evryone els in his party crowd

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

It is rumoured that he will get three more partygate fines. The one he already has been fined for was the least serious

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

covid absolute number of deaths league table top ten Europe. ( March 22)

U.K. 162,147

Italy 156,357

France 138,275

Germany. 124764

Poland. 115,736

Ukraine. 108,194

Spain. 102,218

Turkey. 98,280

Romania. 65,249

Hungary. 45, 838

Yippee we are in the lead. Now there will be some responses saying but, but, but percentage wise we’re not top we’re possibly second or third.

To that I say if a car with just the driver in crashes and he dies that’s 100% of the passengers of the car.

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over a year ago

"covid absolute number of deaths league table top ten Europe. ( March 22)

U.K. 162,147

Italy 156,357

France 138,275

Germany. 124764

Poland. 115,736

Ukraine. 108,194

Spain. 102,218

Turkey. 98,280

Romania. 65,249

Hungary. 45, 838

Yippee we are in the lead. Now there will be some responses saying but, but, but percentage wise we’re not top we’re possibly second or third.

To that I say if a car with just the driver in crashes and he dies that’s 100% of the passengers of the car.

At last, World beating

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"covid absolute number of deaths league table top ten Europe. ( March 22)

U.K. 162,147

Italy 156,357

France 138,275

Germany. 124764

Poland. 115,736

Ukraine. 108,194

Spain. 102,218

Turkey. 98,280

Romania. 65,249

Hungary. 45, 838

Yippee we are in the lead. Now there will be some responses saying but, but, but percentage wise we’re not top we’re possibly second or third.

To that I say if a car with just the driver in crashes and he dies that’s 100% of the passengers of the car.

At last, World beating

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"covid absolute number of deaths league table top ten Europe. ( March 22)

U.K. 162,147

Italy 156,357

France 138,275

Germany. 124764

Poland. 115,736

Ukraine. 108,194

Spain. 102,218

Turkey. 98,280

Romania. 65,249

Hungary. 45, 838

Yippee we are in the lead. Now there will be some responses saying but, but, but percentage wise we’re not top we’re possibly second or third.

To that I say if a car with just the driver in crashes and he dies that’s 100% of the passengers of the car.

At last, World beating

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

I forgot to add we are an island so had the perfect situation to stop the import en masse before vaccination but chose to keep the borders open. We were determined to win this weren’t we!,

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"I forgot to add we are an island so had the perfect situation to stop the import en masse before vaccination but chose to keep the borders open. We were determined to win this weren’t we!, "

lets not forget that for 2 whole months after the first reported case of covid on these islands, johnski and his chums were quaffing and gorging with the financial elite, celebrity far righties, extremist media barons and russian oligrach bankrollers of the conservative and unionist party at locations across europe, while it was left to junior ministers to convene ad hoc cobra meetings.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who here hasn't broken a law?

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

"Who here hasn't broken a law?

While being prime minister,,, no one!

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Who here hasn't broken a law?

While being prime minister,,, no one! "

Not while in government, and not while laughing at British people dying alone in hospital while I broke the rules I made.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who here hasn't broken a law?

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I have never broken a law I have voted for.

Nor have I ever denied breaking a law that I voted.

Nor have I ever voted for a law that I didn't understand.

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

"Who here hasn't broken a law?

Who here is a prime minister?

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By *ayturners turn hayMan
over a year ago

Wellingborugh

"covid absolute number of deaths league table top ten Europe. ( March 22)

U.K. 162,147

Italy 156,357

France 138,275

Germany. 124764

Poland. 115,736

Ukraine. 108,194

Spain. 102,218

Turkey. 98,280

Romania. 65,249

Hungary. 45, 838

Yippee we are in the lead. Now there will be some responses saying but, but, but percentage wise we’re not top we’re possibly second or third.

To that I say if a car with just the driver in crashes and he dies that’s 100% of the passengers of the car.

If a minibus crashes and three out of the six passengers die that’s 50% so is that less of a tragedy? In absolute numbers despite being given the advantage of a much greater lead time with warnings to be able to prepare, we have still let more people die than any other country. "
. Maybe you need to adjust your figures for population density and use deaths per thousand. The figures above are a bit meaningless as different countries used different methods to record deaths . The UK erred on the side of caution and people were recorded as dying with Covid which is entirely different to dying of Covid . If you wanted to measure the true impact you would really need to complete the analysis by age groups and in many cases it was on average a reduction in life of a few months. Excess deaths is a much more realistic measurement of the impact of Covid and the UKs performance was very favourable. No doubt the merchants of doom and gloom are very disappointed than an objective assessment of the government's handling of the crisis paints a very favourable picture We were one of the first counties to implement an award winning vacinaton programme and provide extensive help to businness .

Only the merchants of doom and gloom would criticise the government's handling of the crisis . Boris has sailed the ship very successfully through some very stormy waters .

The good law project appear to have failed in most of their cases. They even missed one deadline for filing and the case was struck out .

Most people would conclude that the government's handling of Covid was good . You will not always get all decisions correct in a time of crisis

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"covid absolute number of deaths league table top ten Europe. ( March 22)

U.K. 162,147

Italy 156,357

France 138,275

Germany. 124764

Poland. 115,736

Ukraine. 108,194

Spain. 102,218

Turkey. 98,280

Romania. 65,249

Hungary. 45, 838

Yippee we are in the lead. Now there will be some responses saying but, but, but percentage wise we’re not top we’re possibly second or third.

To that I say if a car with just the driver in crashes and he dies that’s 100% of the passengers of the car.

If a minibus crashes and three out of the six passengers die that’s 50% so is that less of a tragedy? In absolute numbers despite being given the advantage of a much greater lead time with warnings to be able to prepare, we have still let more people die than any other country. . Maybe you need to adjust your figures for population density and use deaths per thousand. The figures above are a bit meaningless as different countries used different methods to record deaths . The UK erred on the side of caution and people were recorded as dying with Covid which is entirely different to dying of Covid . If you wanted to measure the true impact you would really need to complete the analysis by age groups and in many cases it was on average a reduction in life of a few months. Excess deaths is a much more realistic measurement of the impact of Covid and the UKs performance was very favourable. No doubt the merchants of doom and gloom are very disappointed than an objective assessment of the government's handling of the crisis paints a very favourable picture We were one of the first counties to implement an award winning vacinaton programme and provide extensive help to businness .

Only the merchants of doom and gloom would criticise the government's handling of the crisis . Boris has sailed the ship very successfully through some very stormy waters .

The good law project appear to have failed in most of their cases. They even missed one deadline for filing and the case was struck out .

Most people would conclude that the government's handling of Covid was good . You will not always get all decisions correct in a time of crisis "
wasn't it ten years ? Not a couple of months.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is clear, no matter what protestations we may have, its important to know, he will never leave upon his own volition, it will have to be either the party he associates with or the public at the ballot box. There is a very strong possibility it going that way.

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By *ayturners turn hayMan
over a year ago

Wellingborugh

"covid absolute number of deaths league table top ten Europe. ( March 22)

U.K. 162,147

Italy 156,357

France 138,275

Germany. 124764

Poland. 115,736

Ukraine. 108,194

Spain. 102,218

Turkey. 98,280

Romania. 65,249

Hungary. 45, 838

Yippee we are in the lead. Now there will be some responses saying but, but, but percentage wise we’re not top we’re possibly second or third.

To that I say if a car with just the driver in crashes and he dies that’s 100% of the passengers of the car.

At last, World beating

There will be certain people furiously flicking through the Tax Payers Alliance handbook looking for a suitably glib response. Failing that a call to their Tufton St overlords to see how to swerve this one!"
. Hi , There is no need to contact anyone as the above data is meaningless when different countries use different recording techniques , It may be a big disappointment to some but the Uk was no where near the top of the list . You can only really do a meaningful analysis by using deaths per 1000 or excess deaths .

The comments below would tend to indicate that we have over recorded Covid deaths ( by up to 33 % ) . If another country has under recorded the comparisons become meaningless .

One person convinced that non-Covid deaths were being blamed on the virus is Gary Wylde, a 59-year-old sales executive from Wolverhampton whose mother Jessie suffered from dementia as well as a severe lung disease that limited her ability to breathe.

When Jessie died in April 2020, doctors noted her cause of death as Covid-19 – despite her never testing positive for the virus.

‘The doctor explained to me that, in the absence of a test, doctors are encouraged to put down Covid on death certificates,’ said Gary.

Likewise Julie Perkins, a 57-year-old civil servant from Leicestershire, who believes her 83-year-old father Ted died after suffering a stroke in May 2020.

The retired road worker, who lived in a care home, also had a high temperature for six days and his death certificate stated he died of Covid-19 – despite a recent negative test.

‘We were extremely shocked when the GP wrote he’d died of the virus on his death certificate,’ said Julie. ‘It’s just not right.’

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"covid absolute number of deaths league table top ten Europe. ( March 22)

U.K. 162,147

Italy 156,357

France 138,275

Germany. 124764

Poland. 115,736

Ukraine. 108,194

Spain. 102,218

Turkey. 98,280

Romania. 65,249

Hungary. 45, 838

Yippee we are in the lead. Now there will be some responses saying but, but, but percentage wise we’re not top we’re possibly second or third.

To that I say if a car with just the driver in crashes and he dies that’s 100% of the passengers of the car.

At last, World beating

There will be certain people furiously flicking through the Tax Payers Alliance handbook looking for a suitably glib response. Failing that a call to their Tufton St overlords to see how to swerve this one!. Hi , There is no need to contact anyone as the above data is meaningless when different countries use different recording techniques , It may be a big disappointment to some but the Uk was no where near the top of the list . You can only really do a meaningful analysis by using deaths per 1000 or excess deaths .

The comments below would tend to indicate that we have over recorded Covid deaths ( by up to 33 % ) . If another country has under recorded the comparisons become meaningless .

When Jessie died in April 2020, doctors noted her cause of death as Covid-19 – despite her never testing positive for the virus.

‘The doctor explained to me that, in the absence of a test, doctors are encouraged to put down Covid on death certificates,’ said Gary.

Likewise Julie Perkins, a 57-year-old civil servant from Leicestershire, who believes her 83-year-old father Ted died after suffering a stroke in May 2020.

The retired road worker, who lived in a care home, also had a high temperature for six days and his death certificate stated he died of Covid-19 – despite a recent negative test.

‘We were extremely shocked when the GP wrote he’d died of the virus on his death certificate,’ said Julie. ‘It’s just not right.’"

Copy and paste from the daily mail website.

Lolz

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"covid absolute number of deaths league table top ten Europe. ( March 22)

U.K. 162,147

Italy 156,357

France 138,275

Germany. 124764

Poland. 115,736

Ukraine. 108,194

Spain. 102,218

Turkey. 98,280

Romania. 65,249

Hungary. 45, 838

Yippee we are in the lead. Now there will be some responses saying but, but, but percentage wise we’re not top we’re possibly second or third.

To that I say if a car with just the driver in crashes and he dies that’s 100% of the passengers of the car.

At last, World beating

There will be certain people furiously flicking through the Tax Payers Alliance handbook looking for a suitably glib response. Failing that a call to their Tufton St overlords to see how to swerve this one!. Hi , There is no need to contact anyone as the above data is meaningless when different countries use different recording techniques , It may be a big disappointment to some but the Uk was no where near the top of the list . You can only really do a meaningful analysis by using deaths per 1000 or excess deaths .

The comments below would tend to indicate that we have over recorded Covid deaths ( by up to 33 % ) . If another country has under recorded the comparisons become meaningless .

When Jessie died in April 2020, doctors noted her cause of death as Covid-19 – despite her never testing positive for the virus.

‘The doctor explained to me that, in the absence of a test, doctors are encouraged to put down Covid on death certificates,’ said Gary.

Likewise Julie Perkins, a 57-year-old civil servant from Leicestershire, who believes her 83-year-old father Ted died after suffering a stroke in May 2020.

The retired road worker, who lived in a care home, also had a high temperature for six days and his death certificate stated he died of Covid-19 – despite a recent negative test.

‘We were extremely shocked when the GP wrote he’d died of the virus on his death certificate,’ said Julie. ‘It’s just not right.’"

This is true, and Julie is correct, it’s just not right, there is no way Boris would allow anyone in this country to die from COVID

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

Maybe the other European country’s death rate is half that published as they all counted different,y apparently? To point out individual cases is interesting. What about those elderly people who died due to covid but were out down as flu or old age before we started testing? Statistics again eh. The fact is this government failed its people repeatedly. Many died as a result.

The parliamentary committee made up of all parties directly criticised the governments handling of the covid crisis and they found that there were possibly thousands of unnecessary deaths.

So the Tory members of parliament agreed Boris mishandled the Covid epidemic.

Award winning vaccine rollout? You do know the civil service issued those awards to themselves don’t you? The government repeat “award winning” as if an independent body like the BAFTA issued them . It was a thank you to the hard work of those on the front line. It’s like an engineering firm saying Dave you are our welder of the year! Meaningless but nice.

I refer you to the parliamentary initial report in relation to the handling of the covid crisis and the repeated criticism of Boris Johnson in particular.

“The delay to impose a first lockdown last spring was “one of the most important public health failures the United Kingdom has ever experienced”; planning for a possible virus outbreak smacked of “British exceptionalism”; the lack of early testing capacity was “an almost unimaginable setback”.

“This isn’t enough,” one MP involved in the process said. “We owe it to the families of those who died to get to the bottom of who got it wrong. And that needs a public inquiry.”

From the independent “ Likewise, the hesitation over the initial lockdown in March 2020 also needlessly cost lives and “reflected a fatalism about the spread of Covid that should have been robustly challenged at the time”. According to Mr Cummings – a key witness in the proceedings of the committee – it was challenged by him, but plainly it was insufficient to overcome the prime minister’s natural tendency to dither and delay, to borrow a phrase.

“At every point in the developing pandemic, the decision to lockdown was invariably reluctantly taken and delayed for too long, while the relaxation of restrictions was usually rushed and premature. What’s more, the persistent failures to develop a viable locally-effective test and trace regime, one that could target the hotspots, meant that the effort in buying time and slowing the spread of Covid during lockdowns was partially wasted, delaying cases rather than preventing them. Without the vaccine, that dismal cycle would have persisted.”

All the above catastrophic failures were known at the height of the pandemic and whenever Starmer points this out Boris deflects by calling him captain hindsight. He as usual never answers the point being made.

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By *ancy38Woman
over a year ago

galway

What did he do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wish this thread was history as that’s what Johnson should be…a symbol of our national decline

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

"What did he do"

He repeatedly broke the law which he had created

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What did he do

He repeatedly broke the law which he had created"

And repeatedly lied about it to parliament and the British people…a disgrace

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"covid absolute number of deaths league table top ten Europe. ( March 22)

U.K. 162,147

Italy 156,357

France 138,275

Germany. 124764

Poland. 115,736

Ukraine. 108,194

Spain. 102,218

Turkey. 98,280

Romania. 65,249

Hungary. 45, 838

Yippee we are in the lead. Now there will be some responses saying but, but, but percentage wise we’re not top we’re possibly second or third.

To that I say if a car with just the driver in crashes and he dies that’s 100% of the passengers of the car.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"covid absolute number of deaths league table top ten Europe. ( March 22)

U.K. 162,147

Italy 156,357

France 138,275

Germany. 124764

Poland. 115,736

Ukraine. 108,194

Spain. 102,218

Turkey. 98,280

Romania. 65,249

Hungary. 45, 838

Yippee we are in the lead. Now there will be some responses saying but, but, but percentage wise we’re not top we’re possibly second or third.

To that I say if a car with just the driver in crashes and he dies that’s 100% of the passengers of the car.

How do they count them in Italy, France and Germany?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bait and switch.

Should Boris resign for breaking rules he voted for and then denied he broke?

....

Lets post some incorrect numbers and argue about excess death definitions

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By *ornLordMan
over a year ago

Wiltshire and London

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By *ornLordMan
over a year ago

Wiltshire and London

"Bait and switch.

Should Boris resign for breaking rules he voted for and then denied he broke?

....

Lets post some incorrect numbers and argue about excess death definitions

Yep. Back to the subject; the lying lawmaker should resign or get the boot, along with Fishy.

QE2 has a little time remaining to actually do something good for the country. Calling him in and giving him his dismissal letter would tick that box.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"covid absolute number of deaths league table top ten Europe. ( March 22)

U.K. 162,147

Italy 156,357

France 138,275

Germany. 124764

Poland. 115,736

Ukraine. 108,194

Spain. 102,218

Turkey. 98,280

Romania. 65,249

Hungary. 45, 838

Yippee we are in the lead. Now there will be some responses saying but, but, but percentage wise we’re not top we’re possibly second or third.

To that I say if a car with just the driver in crashes and he dies that’s 100% of the passengers of the car.

How do they count them in Italy, France and Germany? "
you tell me your the expert on every subject on here I think the uk system is flawed as hardly anyone died of anything other than covid for two years

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"covid absolute number of deaths league table top ten Europe. ( March 22)

U.K. 162,147

Italy 156,357

France 138,275

Germany. 124764

Poland. 115,736

Ukraine. 108,194

Spain. 102,218

Turkey. 98,280

Romania. 65,249

Hungary. 45, 838

Yippee we are in the lead. Now there will be some responses saying but, but, but percentage wise we’re not top we’re possibly second or third.

To that I say if a car with just the driver in crashes and he dies that’s 100% of the passengers of the car.

How do you know they count them differently then? You made the claim, I didn’t

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

I seen it in the news I just can’t remember how they all counted I just know not all countries used the same method there for a table is useless isn’t it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"covid absolute number of deaths league table top ten Europe. ( March 22)

U.K. 162,147

Italy 156,357

France 138,275

Germany. 124764

Poland. 115,736

Ukraine. 108,194

Spain. 102,218

Turkey. 98,280

Romania. 65,249

Hungary. 45, 838

Yippee we are in the lead. Now there will be some responses saying but, but, but percentage wise we’re not top we’re possibly second or third.

To that I say if a car with just the driver in crashes and he dies that’s 100% of the passengers of the car.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"covid absolute number of deaths league table top ten Europe. ( March 22)

U.K. 162,147

Italy 156,357

France 138,275

Germany. 124764

Poland. 115,736

Ukraine. 108,194

Spain. 102,218

Turkey. 98,280

Romania. 65,249

Hungary. 45, 838

Yippee we are in the lead. Now there will be some responses saying but, but, but percentage wise we’re not top we’re possibly second or third.

To that I say if a car with just the driver in crashes and he dies that’s 100% of the passengers of the car.

How do they count them in Italy, France and Germany? you tell me your the expert on every subject on here I think the uk system is flawed as hardly anyone died of anything other than covid for two years even at the peak, COVID was "only" about a third of all deaths. "
no it wasn’t cancer deaths where down all deaths where down how does that happen then ?

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

The party is bad especially in the circumstances but for me what is worse is denying it. Maybe he should have held his hands up at the start of all this and hoped for the best. Now he is in more trouble and i think sunak could be gone for the same reasons.

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

"covid absolute number of deaths league table top ten Europe. ( March 22)

U.K. 162,147

Italy 156,357

France 138,275

Germany. 124764

Poland. 115,736

Ukraine. 108,194

Spain. 102,218

Turkey. 98,280

Romania. 65,249

Hungary. 45, 838

Yippee we are in the lead. Now there will be some responses saying but, but, but percentage wise we’re not top we’re possibly second or third.

To that I say if a car with just the driver in crashes and he dies that’s 100% of the passengers of the car.

Feel free to read the committee’s report again further up. Or is it too much to take in. I’ll abbreviate . Boris caused more deaths and the government performed very badly. That’s from their own MP’s

They all counted differently so maybe the others are less too. The numbers are the numbers published by the governments own reports not the Labour Party .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"covid absolute number of deaths league table top ten Europe. ( March 22)

U.K. 162,147

Italy 156,357

France 138,275

Germany. 124764

Poland. 115,736

Ukraine. 108,194

Spain. 102,218

Turkey. 98,280

Romania. 65,249

Hungary. 45, 838

Yippee we are in the lead. Now there will be some responses saying but, but, but percentage wise we’re not top we’re possibly second or third.

To that I say if a car with just the driver in crashes and he dies that’s 100% of the passengers of the car.

How do they count them in Italy, France and Germany? you tell me your the expert on every subject on here I think the uk system is flawed as hardly anyone died of anything other than covid for two years even at the peak, COVID was "only" about a third of all deaths. no it wasn’t cancer deaths where down all deaths where down how does that happen then ?"
the two statements can coexist.

To keep it simple

In 2019 100 people died. All from cancer.

In 2020 150 people died. 51 from COVID.

Cancer deaths are down. COVID is 30pc of deaths. There are still a fuck load of non COVID deaths.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

if the war in ukraine is important enough to prevent johnski's conservative and unionist party from facing a regime change, then it is certainly important enough to have forgone the easter recess of the commons. he stll attempting to have his cake and eat it. hopefully he will ch0ke on it.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"covid absolute number of deaths league table top ten Europe. ( March 22)

U.K. 162,147

Italy 156,357

France 138,275

Germany. 124764

Poland. 115,736

Ukraine. 108,194

Spain. 102,218

Turkey. 98,280

Romania. 65,249

Hungary. 45, 838

Yippee we are in the lead. Now there will be some responses saying but, but, but percentage wise we’re not top we’re possibly second or third.

To that I say if a car with just the driver in crashes and he dies that’s 100% of the passengers of the car.

They all counted differently so maybe the others are less too. The numbers are the numbers published by the governments own reports not the Labour Party . "
yes the numbers are the numbers but in a few years when there s more data we will see the true effect of covid luke all the experts say yes I agree it was Boris who caused the deaths nowt to do with covid lol

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

"covid absolute number of deaths league table top ten Europe. ( March 22)

U.K. 162,147

Italy 156,357

France 138,275

Germany. 124764

Poland. 115,736

Ukraine. 108,194

Spain. 102,218

Turkey. 98,280

Romania. 65,249

Hungary. 45, 838

Yippee we are in the lead. Now there will be some responses saying but, but, but percentage wise we’re not top we’re possibly second or third.

To that I say if a car with just the driver in crashes and he dies that’s 100% of the passengers of the car.

They all counted differently so maybe the others are less too. The numbers are the numbers published by the governments own reports not the Labour Party . yes the numbers are the numbers but in a few years when there s more data we will see the true effect of covid luke all the experts say yes I agree it was Boris who caused the deaths nowt to do with covid lol"

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By *irtyold manMan
over a year ago

barnsley

Dont forget the prelim findings of the house of comons enauirey said boris due to gross negligence is responsible for the extra death of thousands

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"covid absolute number of deaths league table top ten Europe. ( March 22)

U.K. 162,147

Italy 156,357

France 138,275

Germany. 124764

Poland. 115,736

Ukraine. 108,194

Spain. 102,218

Turkey. 98,280

Romania. 65,249

Hungary. 45, 838

Yippee we are in the lead. Now there will be some responses saying but, but, but percentage wise we’re not top we’re possibly second or third.

To that I say if a car with just the driver in crashes and he dies that’s 100% of the passengers of the car.

Lack of action and slow reactions lead to further cases which leads to more deaths. Cause and effect foxy. I agree he didn’t put a needle in the the result of his behaviour brought the same result . "
you know I’m no fan of his mate but a lot of leaders fucked up no one had a clue about this virus the fucking experts where breaking rules aswell there all useless twats tbf but this was a once in lifetime virus so fuckups where inevitable but I still think he should go

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"covid absolute number of deaths league table top ten Europe. ( March 22)

U.K. 162,147

Italy 156,357

France 138,275

Germany. 124764

Poland. 115,736

Ukraine. 108,194

Spain. 102,218

Turkey. 98,280

Romania. 65,249

Hungary. 45, 838

Yippee we are in the lead. Now there will be some responses saying but, but, but percentage wise we’re not top we’re possibly second or third.

To that I say if a car with just the driver in crashes and he dies that’s 100% of the passengers of the car.

Lack of action and slow reactions lead to further cases which leads to more deaths. Cause and effect foxy. I agree he didn’t put a needle in the the result of his behaviour brought the same result . you know I’m no fan of his mate but a lot of leaders fucked up no one had a clue about this virus the fucking experts where breaking rules aswell there all useless twats tbf but this was a once in lifetime virus so fuckups where inevitable but I still think he should go "

There’s cocking up (a bit) and royally fucking up (a lot). Johnson fits the latter group with Trump and Bolsonara (sp?) guess what they all had in common? Populist govt.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

Incidentally, The Independent ran an interesting piece...

Just five out of 22 members of Boris Johnson's Cabinet are willing to declare that they, or their family do not benefit from tax havens, or non-dom status.

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By *ayturners turn hayMan
over a year ago

Wellingborugh

"covid absolute number of deaths league table top ten Europe. ( March 22)

U.K. 162,147

Italy 156,357

France 138,275

Germany. 124764

Poland. 115,736

Ukraine. 108,194

Spain. 102,218

Turkey. 98,280

Romania. 65,249

Hungary. 45, 838

Yippee we are in the lead. Now there will be some responses saying but, but, but percentage wise we’re not top we’re possibly second or third.

To that I say if a car with just the driver in crashes and he dies that’s 100% of the passengers of the car.

They all counted differently so maybe the others are less too. The numbers are the numbers published by the governments own reports not the Labour Party . "
. The figures below would tend to indicate that we have a pretty good result

Eleven countries in eastern Europe are reporting more than ten daily Covid-19 fatalities per million people while the UK is down to two.

The UK registered some of the continent’s lowest case and death rates with just 629 new cases per million people on Wednesday.

This is largely due to Britain’s successful vaccine and booster programme. The UK has already given out booster jabs to over a quarter of its eligible population.

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By *ayturners turn hayMan
over a year ago

Wellingborugh

"covid absolute number of deaths league table top ten Europe. ( March 22)

U.K. 162,147

Italy 156,357

France 138,275

Germany. 124764

Poland. 115,736

Ukraine. 108,194

Spain. 102,218

Turkey. 98,280

Romania. 65,249

Hungary. 45, 838

Yippee we are in the lead. Now there will be some responses saying but, but, but percentage wise we’re not top we’re possibly second or third.

To that I say if a car with just the driver in crashes and he dies that’s 100% of the passengers of the car.

They all counted differently so maybe the others are less too. The numbers are the numbers published by the governments own reports not the Labour Party . "
. The figures which you quote do not really mean anything . Most people would expect a densely populated county to have a high death rate .

If you re-order the table by deaths per 100,000 people instead of total deaths Italy looks about 5% worse than the UK.

And smaller countries such as Hungary and the Czech Republic have much worse death rates per 100,000 people.

Statisticians warn against using reported deaths alone to compare countries.

Not all countries report deaths in the same way and so more reported deaths could mean better reporting systems or more testing as well as more deaths.

And so experts also advise looking at the total number of deaths, and may attribute any sharp rises to the pandemic.

Poland saw a very sharp rise in deaths in their winter wave but only some of the rise was captured in their official reported Covid deaths (the red area in the chart below).

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By *ayturners turn hayMan
over a year ago

Wellingborugh

"Maybe the other European country’s death rate is half that published as they all counted different,y apparently? To point out individual cases is interesting. What about those elderly people who died due to covid but were out down as flu or old age before we started testing? Statistics again eh. The fact is this government failed its people repeatedly. Many died as a result.

The parliamentary committee made up of all parties directly criticised the governments handling of the covid crisis and they found that there were possibly thousands of unnecessary deaths.

So the Tory members of parliament agreed Boris mishandled the Covid epidemic.

I refer you to the parliamentary initial report in relation to the handling of the covid crisis and the repeated criticism of Boris Johnson in particular.

“This isn’t enough,” one MP involved in the process said. “We owe it to the families of those who died to get to the bottom of who got it wrong. And that needs a public inquiry.”

There is no accepted international standard of how you measure Covid deaths; trying to rank different countries to decide which is the worst in Europe is, to quote one leading statistician, a ‘completely fatuous exercise’.

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

Send him to Rwanda along with preti and Riki

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

The parliamentary committee made up of all parties directly criticised the governments handling of the covid crisis and they found that there were possibly thousands of unnecessary deaths.

So the Tory members of parliament agreed Boris mishandled the Covid epidemic.

I refer you to the parliamentary initial report in relation to the handling of the covid crisis and the repeated criticism of Boris Johnson in particular.

“This isn’t enough,” one MP involved in the process said. “We owe it to the families of those who died to get to the bottom of who got it wrong. And that needs a public inquiry.”

And yet you claim we are the best and award winning lol . Take your foot out of your mouth before you go to bed we don’t want you choking. Your comedy is too good to miss.

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By *ayturners turn hayMan
over a year ago

Wellingborugh

The parliamentary committee made up of all parties directly criticised the governments handling of the covid crisis and they found that there were possibly thousands of unnecessary deaths.

So the Tory members of parliament agreed Boris mishandled the Covid epidemic.

I refer you to the parliamentary initial report in relation to the handling of the covid crisis and the repeated criticism of Boris Johnson in particular.

“This isn’t enough,” one MP involved in the process said. “We owe it to the families of those who died to get to the bottom of who got it wrong. And that needs a public inquiry.”

And yet you claim we are the best and award winning lol . Take your foot out of your mouth before you go to bed we don’t want you choking. Your comedy is too good to miss.

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. A lot of people recognise that our overall management of the Covid programme was very successfull given the circumstances.

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By *utcock61Man
over a year ago

glasgow

Agreed.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

The parliamentary committee made up of all parties directly criticised the governments handling of the covid crisis and they found that there were possibly thousands of unnecessary deaths.

So the Tory members of parliament agreed Boris mishandled the Covid epidemic.

I refer you to the parliamentary initial report in relation to the handling of the covid crisis and the repeated criticism of Boris Johnson in particular.

“This isn’t enough,” one MP involved in the process said. “We owe it to the families of those who died to get to the bottom of who got it wrong. And that needs a public inquiry.”

And yet you claim we are the best and award winning lol . Take your foot out of your mouth before you go to bed we don’t want you choking. Your comedy is too good to miss.

. A lot of people recognise that our overall management of the Covid programme was very successfull given the circumstances. "

Aside from you, can you name any of these maniacs you're talking of?

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By *alking HeadMan
over a year ago

Bolton

He isn't obligated to resign. So why would he? Would anyone here resign from their job if they didn't have to? Don't give me all the "in the public eye" and "setting an example" bollocks, he's a fucking politician. Don't expect him to have scruples!

I never voted for the shower in charge, I've voted every hue apart from blue, but I will readily admit that they are ALL barefaced liars that will cling on to power whatever it takes.

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

The parliamentary committee made up of all parties directly criticised the governments handling of the covid crisis and they found that there were possibly thousands of unnecessary deaths.

So the Tory members of parliament agreed Boris mishandled the Covid epidemic.

I refer you to the parliamentary initial report in relation to the handling of the covid crisis and the repeated criticism of Boris Johnson in particular.

“This isn’t enough,” one MP involved in the process said. “We owe it to the families of those who died to get to the bottom of who got it wrong. And that needs a public inquiry.”

And yet you claim we are the best and award winning lol . Take your foot out of your mouth before you go to bed we don’t want you choking. Your comedy is too good to miss.

. A lot of people recognise that our overall management of the Covid programme was very successfull given the circumstances. "

And yet the governments own statistics and the select committee review undertaken by MPs including Tory members say otherwise.,

You are living in a rose coloured world of fantasy proportions. You must really stop reading just the Mail. It’s not good for you.

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

"He isn't obligated to resign. So why would he? Would anyone here resign from their job if they didn't have to? Don't give me all the "in the public eye" and "setting an example" bollocks, he's a fucking politician. Don't expect him to have scruples!

I never voted for the shower in charge, I've voted every hue apart from blue, but I will readily admit that they are ALL barefaced liars that will cling on to power whatever it takes."

The rule about lying or misleading Parliament is usually the trigger to resign. Boris has Prorogued Parliament illegally which included lying to the queen. He has lied repeatedly regarding unemployment Brexit, the economy and government spending so given his constant lying it is no surprise he won’t resign due to lying.

The man is the worst PM this country has ever had and he has brought shame on the office of PM. Those in the Tory party who do not act are complicit in his disgraceful behaviour and should also be ashamed of their lack of action over standards. Their own self interest is overriding their vows to be act for the good of the country.. Money over morals.

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By *ayturners turn hayMan
over a year ago

Wellingborugh

The parliamentary committee made up of all parties directly criticised the governments handling of the covid crisis and they found that there were possibly thousands of unnecessary deaths.

So the Tory members of parliament agreed Boris mishandled the Covid epidemic.

I refer you to the parliamentary initial report in relation to the handling of the covid crisis and the repeated criticism of Boris Johnson in particular.

“This isn’t enough,” one MP involved in the process said. “We owe it to the families of those who died to get to the bottom of who got it wrong. And that needs a public inquiry.”

And yet you claim we are the best and award winning lol . Take your foot out of your mouth before you go to bed we don’t want you choking. Your comedy is too good to miss.

. A lot of people recognise that our overall management of the Covid programme was very successfull given the circumstances.

And yet the governments own statistics and the select committee review undertaken by MPs including Tory members say otherwise.,

You are living in a rose coloured world of fantasy proportions. You must really stop reading just the Mail. It’s not good for you. "
. Maybe you need to check the results of the last general election. The current government were returned with a majority of 80 so my views are simply a reflection of the majority of the population ( or to be pedantic the party that elected more MPs than any other party. The Boris haters are simply a small but a very vocal minority. Your claim about the Daily Mail is a bit bizarre as you do not even know what newspapers I choose to read ( if any ) . Maybe you need to recognise that the circulation of the Daily Mail is only one million so it will have no influence on the other 29 million voters .

Maybe getting out and about , travelling and mixing with a wide cross section of society enables people to make a more informed view of the county. It is intersting to note that quite a few regular posters are posting on this site during working hours for most people.

For now as I believe in democracy I will use the views of the electorate as a validity check on my opinion, not the views of a very small minority who love to criticize the government at every available opportunity.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

The parliamentary committee made up of all parties directly criticised the governments handling of the covid crisis and they found that there were possibly thousands of unnecessary deaths.

So the Tory members of parliament agreed Boris mishandled the Covid epidemic.

I refer you to the parliamentary initial report in relation to the handling of the covid crisis and the repeated criticism of Boris Johnson in particular.

“This isn’t enough,” one MP involved in the process said. “We owe it to the families of those who died to get to the bottom of who got it wrong. And that needs a public inquiry.”

And yet you claim we are the best and award winning lol . Take your foot out of your mouth before you go to bed we don’t want you choking. Your comedy is too good to miss.

. A lot of people recognise that our overall management of the Covid programme was very successfull given the circumstances.

And yet the governments own statistics and the select committee review undertaken by MPs including Tory members say otherwise.,

You are living in a rose coloured world of fantasy proportions. You must really stop reading just the Mail. It’s not good for you. . Maybe you need to check the results of the last general election. The current government were returned with a majority of 80 so my views are simply a reflection of the majority of the population ( or to be pedantic the party that elected more MPs than any other party. The Boris haters are simply a small but a very vocal minority. Your claim about the Daily Mail is a bit bizarre as you do not even know what newspapers I choose to read ( if any ) . Maybe you need to recognise that the circulation of the Daily Mail is only one million so it will have no influence on the other 29 million voters .

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But that’s all it is half a dozen regular anti brexit anti boris posters nothing more ,they don’t reflect the mood of the country and this forum just let’s them let off steam which is a good thing

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"I never voted for the shower in charge, I've voted every hue apart from blue, but I will readily admit that they are ALL barefaced liars that will cling on to power whatever it takes."

apart from those who have distanced themselves from the corruption somewhat by taken the principled decision to resign during johnski's tenure. so no, not ALL by any stretch.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

The parliamentary committee made up of all parties directly criticised the governments handling of the covid crisis and they found that there were possibly thousands of unnecessary deaths.

So the Tory members of parliament agreed Boris mishandled the Covid epidemic.

I refer you to the parliamentary initial report in relation to the handling of the covid crisis and the repeated criticism of Boris Johnson in particular.

“This isn’t enough,” one MP involved in the process said. “We owe it to the families of those who died to get to the bottom of who got it wrong. And that needs a public inquiry.”

And yet you claim we are the best and award winning lol . Take your foot out of your mouth before you go to bed we don’t want you choking. Your comedy is too good to miss.

. A lot of people recognise that our overall management of the Covid programme was very successfull given the circumstances.

And yet the governments own statistics and the select committee review undertaken by MPs including Tory members say otherwise.,

But that’s all it is half a dozen regular anti brexit anti boris posters nothing more ,they don’t reflect the mood of the country and this forum just let’s them let off steam which is a good thing

But that's the interesting question.

Why do upto 18% of people still think brexit is a good idea. Despite the reality of brexit.

Why do so many people still support the most self serving PM we've ever seen?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

The parliamentary committee made up of all parties directly criticised the governments handling of the covid crisis and they found that there were possibly thousands of unnecessary deaths.

So the Tory members of parliament agreed Boris mishandled the Covid epidemic.

I refer you to the parliamentary initial report in relation to the handling of the covid crisis and the repeated criticism of Boris Johnson in particular.

“This isn’t enough,” one MP involved in the process said. “We owe it to the families of those who died to get to the bottom of who got it wrong. And that needs a public inquiry.”

And yet you claim we are the best and award winning lol . Take your foot out of your mouth before you go to bed we don’t want you choking. Your comedy is too good to miss.

. A lot of people recognise that our overall management of the Covid programme was very successfull given the circumstances.

And yet the governments own statistics and the select committee review undertaken by MPs including Tory members say otherwise.,

But that's the interesting question.

Why do upto 18% of people still think brexit is a good idea. Despite the reality of brexit.

Why do so many people still support the most self serving PM we've ever seen?

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you believe what polls you choose to but its not what i see in everyday life. Most people dont even give brexit a second thought its yesterdays news and are getting on with their lives, companies are adapting as they always have and brexit is a thing of the past for most.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

The parliamentary committee made up of all parties directly criticised the governments handling of the covid crisis and they found that there were possibly thousands of unnecessary deaths.

So the Tory members of parliament agreed Boris mishandled the Covid epidemic.

I refer you to the parliamentary initial report in relation to the handling of the covid crisis and the repeated criticism of Boris Johnson in particular.

“This isn’t enough,” one MP involved in the process said. “We owe it to the families of those who died to get to the bottom of who got it wrong. And that needs a public inquiry.”

And yet you claim we are the best and award winning lol . Take your foot out of your mouth before you go to bed we don’t want you choking. Your comedy is too good to miss.

. A lot of people recognise that our overall management of the Covid programme was very successfull given the circumstances.

And yet the governments own statistics and the select committee review undertaken by MPs including Tory members say otherwise.,

But that's the interesting question.

Why do upto 18% of people still think brexit is a good idea. Despite the reality of brexit.

Why do so many people still support the most self serving PM we've ever seen?

you believe what polls you choose to but its not what i see in everyday life. Most people dont even give brexit a second thought its yesterdays news and are getting on with their lives, companies are adapting as they always have and brexit is a thing of the past for most."

I don't believe polls. I find it hard to believe that 18% of people do think it's a good idea. But whatever the number there are still potentially millions they do.

So if you're right, and people are not thinking about the damage done by brexit. That in itself is a problem. Why are people so apathetic to this kind of stuff. Not just the brexit thing. But Boris and his chronies in government, all his lies, and his friends who donate to the party and are richly rewarded.

As the Hay Turner account mentioned people just don't seem to care about the PM being a lying self serving narcissist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The parliamentary committee made up of all parties directly criticised the governments handling of the covid crisis and they found that there were possibly thousands of unnecessary deaths.

So the Tory members of parliament agreed Boris mishandled the Covid epidemic.

I refer you to the parliamentary initial report in relation to the handling of the covid crisis and the repeated criticism of Boris Johnson in particular.

“This isn’t enough,” one MP involved in the process said. “We owe it to the families of those who died to get to the bottom of who got it wrong. And that needs a public inquiry.”

And yet you claim we are the best and award winning lol . Take your foot out of your mouth before you go to bed we don’t want you choking. Your comedy is too good to miss.

. A lot of people recognise that our overall management of the Covid programme was very successfull given the circumstances.

And yet the governments own statistics and the select committee review undertaken by MPs including Tory members say otherwise.,

But that's the interesting question.

Why do upto 18% of people still think brexit is a good idea. Despite the reality of brexit.

Why do so many people still support the most self serving PM we've ever seen?

I don't believe polls. I find it hard to believe that 18% of people do think it's a good idea. But whatever the number there are still potentially millions they do.

As the Hay Turner account mentioned people just don't seem to care about the PM being a lying self serving narcissist. "

It is because they hate their country

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The parliamentary committee made up of all parties directly criticised the governments handling of the covid crisis and they found that there were possibly thousands of unnecessary deaths.

So the Tory members of parliament agreed Boris mishandled the Covid epidemic.

I refer you to the parliamentary initial report in relation to the handling of the covid crisis and the repeated criticism of Boris Johnson in particular.

“This isn’t enough,” one MP involved in the process said. “We owe it to the families of those who died to get to the bottom of who got it wrong. And that needs a public inquiry.”

And yet you claim we are the best and award winning lol . Take your foot out of your mouth before you go to bed we don’t want you choking. Your comedy is too good to miss.

. A lot of people recognise that our overall management of the Covid programme was very successfull given the circumstances.

And yet the governments own statistics and the select committee review undertaken by MPs including Tory members say otherwise.,

But that's the interesting question.

Why do upto 18% of people still think brexit is a good idea. Despite the reality of brexit.

Why do so many people still support the most self serving PM we've ever seen?

Fair enough, so that’s it, Brexit is done? If that is the case, what is JRM doing?

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

The parliamentary committee made up of all parties directly criticised the governments handling of the covid crisis and they found that there were possibly thousands of unnecessary deaths.

So the Tory members of parliament agreed Boris mishandled the Covid epidemic.

I refer you to the parliamentary initial report in relation to the handling of the covid crisis and the repeated criticism of Boris Johnson in particular.

“This isn’t enough,” one MP involved in the process said. “We owe it to the families of those who died to get to the bottom of who got it wrong. And that needs a public inquiry.”

And yet you claim we are the best and award winning lol . Take your foot out of your mouth before you go to bed we don’t want you choking. Your comedy is too good to miss.

. A lot of people recognise that our overall management of the Covid programme was very successfull given the circumstances.

And yet the governments own statistics and the select committee review undertaken by MPs including Tory members say otherwise.,

But that's the interesting question.

Why do upto 18% of people still think brexit is a good idea. Despite the reality of brexit.

Why do so many people still support the most self serving PM we've ever seen?

Fair enough, so that’s it, Brexit is done? If that is the case, what is JRM doing? "

Minister for stepping in human shit at the giant brexit lorry parks in Kent.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

The parliamentary committee made up of all parties directly criticised the governments handling of the covid crisis and they found that there were possibly thousands of unnecessary deaths.

So the Tory members of parliament agreed Boris mishandled the Covid epidemic.

I refer you to the parliamentary initial report in relation to the handling of the covid crisis and the repeated criticism of Boris Johnson in particular.

“This isn’t enough,” one MP involved in the process said. “We owe it to the families of those who died to get to the bottom of who got it wrong. And that needs a public inquiry.”

And yet you claim we are the best and award winning lol . Take your foot out of your mouth before you go to bed we don’t want you choking. Your comedy is too good to miss.

. A lot of people recognise that our overall management of the Covid programme was very successfull given the circumstances.

And yet the governments own statistics and the select committee review undertaken by MPs including Tory members say otherwise.,

But that's the interesting question.

Why do upto 18% of people still think brexit is a good idea. Despite the reality of brexit.

Why do so many people still support the most self serving PM we've ever seen?

I don't believe polls. I find it hard to believe that 18% of people do think it's a good idea. But whatever the number there are still potentially millions they do.

As the Hay Turner account mentioned people just don't seem to care about the PM being a lying self serving narcissist. "
As i said before most people have a life and they are living it, politics doesn't even come into their heads on a regular basis. When im out and about i dont hear people talking politics they are too busy enjoying themselves its only the few keyboard warriors that fill their lives with it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The parliamentary committee made up of all parties directly criticised the governments handling of the covid crisis and they found that there were possibly thousands of unnecessary deaths.

So the Tory members of parliament agreed Boris mishandled the Covid epidemic.

I refer you to the parliamentary initial report in relation to the handling of the covid crisis and the repeated criticism of Boris Johnson in particular.

“This isn’t enough,” one MP involved in the process said. “We owe it to the families of those who died to get to the bottom of who got it wrong. And that needs a public inquiry.”

And yet you claim we are the best and award winning lol . Take your foot out of your mouth before you go to bed we don’t want you choking. Your comedy is too good to miss.

. A lot of people recognise that our overall management of the Covid programme was very successfull given the circumstances.

And yet the governments own statistics and the select committee review undertaken by MPs including Tory members say otherwise.,

But that's the interesting question.

Why do upto 18% of people still think brexit is a good idea. Despite the reality of brexit.

Why do so many people still support the most self serving PM we've ever seen?

Fair enough, so that’s it, Brexit is done? If that is the case, what is JRM doing?

Minister for stepping in human shit at the giant brexit lorry parks in Kent."

Why do we need a minister for Brexit opportunities? Seems strange when Brexit is done, finished, now part of life,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The parliamentary committee made up of all parties directly criticised the governments handling of the covid crisis and they found that there were possibly thousands of unnecessary deaths.

So the Tory members of parliament agreed Boris mishandled the Covid epidemic.

I refer you to the parliamentary initial report in relation to the handling of the covid crisis and the repeated criticism of Boris Johnson in particular.

“This isn’t enough,” one MP involved in the process said. “We owe it to the families of those who died to get to the bottom of who got it wrong. And that needs a public inquiry.”

And yet you claim we are the best and award winning lol . Take your foot out of your mouth before you go to bed we don’t want you choking. Your comedy is too good to miss.

. A lot of people recognise that our overall management of the Covid programme was very successfull given the circumstances.

And yet the governments own statistics and the select committee review undertaken by MPs including Tory members say otherwise.,

But that's the interesting question.

Why do upto 18% of people still think brexit is a good idea. Despite the reality of brexit.

Why do so many people still support the most self serving PM we've ever seen?

I don't believe polls. I find it hard to believe that 18% of people do think it's a good idea. But whatever the number there are still potentially millions they do.

As the Hay Turner account mentioned people just don't seem to care about the PM being a lying self serving narcissist. As i said before most people have a life and they are living it, politics doesn't even come into their heads on a regular basis. When im out and about i dont hear people talking politics they are too busy enjoying themselves its only the few keyboard warriors that fill their lives with it."

Yet here you are on a politics forum taking about politics, you should be out their enjoying life

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over a year ago

The parliamentary committee made up of all parties directly criticised the governments handling of the covid crisis and they found that there were possibly thousands of unnecessary deaths.

So the Tory members of parliament agreed Boris mishandled the Covid epidemic.

I refer you to the parliamentary initial report in relation to the handling of the covid crisis and the repeated criticism of Boris Johnson in particular.

“This isn’t enough,” one MP involved in the process said. “We owe it to the families of those who died to get to the bottom of who got it wrong. And that needs a public inquiry.”

And yet you claim we are the best and award winning lol . Take your foot out of your mouth before you go to bed we don’t want you choking. Your comedy is too good to miss.

. A lot of people recognise that our overall management of the Covid programme was very successfull given the circumstances.

And yet the governments own statistics and the select committee review undertaken by MPs including Tory members say otherwise.,

But that's the interesting question.

Why do upto 18% of people still think brexit is a good idea. Despite the reality of brexit.

Why do so many people still support the most self serving PM we've ever seen?

I don't believe polls. I find it hard to believe that 18% of people do think it's a good idea. But whatever the number there are still potentially millions they do.

Yet here you are on a politics forum taking about politics, you should be out their enjoying life

There

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

The parliamentary committee made up of all parties directly criticised the governments handling of the covid crisis and they found that there were possibly thousands of unnecessary deaths.

So the Tory members of parliament agreed Boris mishandled the Covid epidemic.

I refer you to the parliamentary initial report in relation to the handling of the covid crisis and the repeated criticism of Boris Johnson in particular.

“This isn’t enough,” one MP involved in the process said. “We owe it to the families of those who died to get to the bottom of who got it wrong. And that needs a public inquiry.”

And yet you claim we are the best and award winning lol . Take your foot out of your mouth before you go to bed we don’t want you choking. Your comedy is too good to miss.

. A lot of people recognise that our overall management of the Covid programme was very successfull given the circumstances.

And yet the governments own statistics and the select committee review undertaken by MPs including Tory members say otherwise.,

But that's the interesting question.

Why do upto 18% of people still think brexit is a good idea. Despite the reality of brexit.

Why do so many people still support the most self serving PM we've ever seen?

I don't believe polls. I find it hard to believe that 18% of people do think it's a good idea. But whatever the number there are still potentially millions they do.

Yet here you are on a politics forum taking about politics, you should be out their enjoying life

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Just killing a bit of time between cooking

that ok with you?

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By *ayturners turn hayMan
over a year ago

Wellingborugh

The parliamentary committee made up of all parties directly criticised the governments handling of the covid crisis and they found that there were possibly thousands of unnecessary deaths.

So the Tory members of parliament agreed Boris mishandled the Covid epidemic.

I refer you to the parliamentary initial report in relation to the handling of the covid crisis and the repeated criticism of Boris Johnson in particular.

“This isn’t enough,” one MP involved in the process said. “We owe it to the families of those who died to get to the bottom of who got it wrong. And that needs a public inquiry.”

And yet you claim we are the best and award winning lol . Take your foot out of your mouth before you go to bed we don’t want you choking. Your comedy is too good to miss.

. A lot of people recognise that our overall management of the Covid programme was very successfull given the circumstances.

And yet the governments own statistics and the select committee review undertaken by MPs including Tory members say otherwise.,

But that's the interesting question.

Why do upto 18% of people still think brexit is a good idea. Despite the reality of brexit.

Why do so many people still support the most self serving PM we've ever seen?

I don't believe polls. I find it hard to believe that 18% of people do think it's a good idea. But whatever the number there are still potentially millions they do.

As the Hay Turner account mentioned people just don't seem to care about the PM being a lying self serving narcissist. "
. Maybe the electorate are slightly more objective in their analysis of the performance of Boris and our exit from the EU.

It night just be that they accept that we continue to trade with the EU and that any marginal short term expenses can be offset by long term gains with the removal of bureaucracy which in turn will encourage businness development .

Again a few mistakes made by Boris will be dismissed by most rational balanced people when they are offset against his success stories. .

The vendetta against him is hardly the hallmark of successfull individuals . He is probably the only person in the country that the police have trawled through pictures in order to see if he was present at a ten minute works event in his office.

If we looked hard enough we could probably find evidence that a very significant section of the population broke covid rules. Are the police going to trawl through all the pictures of those pictured on the beach in Brigton during lockdown , launch a national campaign to identify them and then issue fines ? Unlike Boris who was at a works event those on the beach knew they should not be there

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

The parliamentary committee made up of all parties directly criticised the governments handling of the covid crisis and they found that there were possibly thousands of unnecessary deaths.

So the Tory members of parliament agreed Boris mishandled the Covid epidemic.

I refer you to the parliamentary initial report in relation to the handling of the covid crisis and the repeated criticism of Boris Johnson in particular.

“This isn’t enough,” one MP involved in the process said. “We owe it to the families of those who died to get to the bottom of who got it wrong. And that needs a public inquiry.”

And yet you claim we are the best and award winning lol . Take your foot out of your mouth before you go to bed we don’t want you choking. Your comedy is too good to miss.

. A lot of people recognise that our overall management of the Covid programme was very successfull given the circumstances.

And yet the governments own statistics and the select committee review undertaken by MPs including Tory members say otherwise.,

But that's the interesting question.

Why do upto 18% of people still think brexit is a good idea. Despite the reality of brexit.

Why do so many people still support the most self serving PM we've ever seen?

I don't believe polls. I find it hard to believe that 18% of people do think it's a good idea. But whatever the number there are still potentially millions they do.

Ignorance is bliss eh!

Ignorance and apathy are two fantastic weapons used by the government.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

The parliamentary committee made up of all parties directly criticised the governments handling of the covid crisis and they found that there were possibly thousands of unnecessary deaths.

So the Tory members of parliament agreed Boris mishandled the Covid epidemic.

I refer you to the parliamentary initial report in relation to the handling of the covid crisis and the repeated criticism of Boris Johnson in particular.

“This isn’t enough,” one MP involved in the process said. “We owe it to the families of those who died to get to the bottom of who got it wrong. And that needs a public inquiry.”

And yet you claim we are the best and award winning lol . Take your foot out of your mouth before you go to bed we don’t want you choking. Your comedy is too good to miss.

. A lot of people recognise that our overall management of the Covid programme was very successfull given the circumstances.

And yet the governments own statistics and the select committee review undertaken by MPs including Tory members say otherwise.,

But that's the interesting question.

Why do upto 18% of people still think brexit is a good idea. Despite the reality of brexit.

Why do so many people still support the most self serving PM we've ever seen?

I don't believe polls. I find it hard to believe that 18% of people do think it's a good idea. But whatever the number there are still potentially millions they do.

As the Hay Turner account mentioned people just don't seem to care about the PM being a lying self serving narcissist. . Maybe the electorate are slightly more objective in their analysis of the performance of Boris and our exit from the EU.

Again a few mistakes made by Boris will be dismissed by most rational balanced people when they are offset against his success stories. .

We fundamentally agree here.

The difference being, you seem to celebrate apathy amongst British people as Boris and co run the country into the ground.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The parliamentary committee made up of all parties directly criticised the governments handling of the covid crisis and they found that there were possibly thousands of unnecessary deaths.

So the Tory members of parliament agreed Boris mishandled the Covid epidemic.

I refer you to the parliamentary initial report in relation to the handling of the covid crisis and the repeated criticism of Boris Johnson in particular.

“This isn’t enough,” one MP involved in the process said. “We owe it to the families of those who died to get to the bottom of who got it wrong. And that needs a public inquiry.”

And yet you claim we are the best and award winning lol . Take your foot out of your mouth before you go to bed we don’t want you choking. Your comedy is too good to miss.

. A lot of people recognise that our overall management of the Covid programme was very successfull given the circumstances. "
were the circumstances "given we had Boris and his government in charge". In which case I agree.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The parliamentary committee made up of all parties directly criticised the governments handling of the covid crisis and they found that there were possibly thousands of unnecessary deaths.

So the Tory members of parliament agreed Boris mishandled the Covid epidemic.

I refer you to the parliamentary initial report in relation to the handling of the covid crisis and the repeated criticism of Boris Johnson in particular.

“This isn’t enough,” one MP involved in the process said. “We owe it to the families of those who died to get to the bottom of who got it wrong. And that needs a public inquiry.”

And yet you claim we are the best and award winning lol . Take your foot out of your mouth before you go to bed we don’t want you choking. Your comedy is too good to miss.

. A lot of people recognise that our overall management of the Covid programme was very successfull given the circumstances.

And yet the governments own statistics and the select committee review undertaken by MPs including Tory members say otherwise.,

But that's the interesting question.

Why do upto 18% of people still think brexit is a good idea. Despite the reality of brexit.

Why do so many people still support the most self serving PM we've ever seen?

I don't believe polls. I find it hard to believe that 18% of people do think it's a good idea. But whatever the number there are still potentially millions they do.

Yet here you are on a politics forum taking about politics, you should be out their enjoying life

Just killing a bit of time between cooking

that ok with you?"

Of course, did you type that on a keyboard

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

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By *ayturners turn hayMan
over a year ago

Wellingborugh

The parliamentary committee made up of all parties directly criticised the governments handling of the covid crisis and they found that there were possibly thousands of unnecessary deaths.

So the Tory members of parliament agreed Boris mishandled the Covid epidemic.

I refer you to the parliamentary initial report in relation to the handling of the covid crisis and the repeated criticism of Boris Johnson in particular.

“This isn’t enough,” one MP involved in the process said. “We owe it to the families of those who died to get to the bottom of who got it wrong. And that needs a public inquiry.”

And yet you claim we are the best and award winning lol . Take your foot out of your mouth before you go to bed we don’t want you choking. Your comedy is too good to miss.

. A lot of people recognise that our overall management of the Covid programme was very successfull given the circumstances.

And yet the governments own statistics and the select committee review undertaken by MPs including Tory members say otherwise.,

But that's the interesting question.

Why do upto 18% of people still think brexit is a good idea. Despite the reality of brexit.

Why do so many people still support the most self serving PM we've ever seen?

I don't believe polls. I find it hard to believe that 18% of people do think it's a good idea. But whatever the number there are still potentially millions they do.

Ignorance is bliss eh!

Ignorance and apathy are two fantastic weapons used by the government."
Maybe people are not ignorant. As things stand only about 15 % of the population have any interest in politics. That does not quite equate to being ignorant. Maybe the care worker who sees a variety of different clients on a day to day basis and potentially has a more informed view of life is quite capable of forming their own view of the government and exercises their choice during the general election. No one needs reminding of the result of the last election.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

The parliamentary committee made up of all parties directly criticised the governments handling of the covid crisis and they found that there were possibly thousands of unnecessary deaths.

So the Tory members of parliament agreed Boris mishandled the Covid epidemic.

I refer you to the parliamentary initial report in relation to the handling of the covid crisis and the repeated criticism of Boris Johnson in particular.

“This isn’t enough,” one MP involved in the process said. “We owe it to the families of those who died to get to the bottom of who got it wrong. And that needs a public inquiry.”

And yet you claim we are the best and award winning lol . Take your foot out of your mouth before you go to bed we don’t want you choking. Your comedy is too good to miss.

. A lot of people recognise that our overall management of the Covid programme was very successfull given the circumstances.

And yet the governments own statistics and the select committee review undertaken by MPs including Tory members say otherwise.,

But that's the interesting question.

Why do upto 18% of people still think brexit is a good idea. Despite the reality of brexit.

Why do so many people still support the most self serving PM we've ever seen?

I don't believe polls. I find it hard to believe that 18% of people do think it's a good idea. But whatever the number there are still potentially millions they do.

Ignorance is bliss eh!

Ignorance and apathy are two fantastic weapons used by the government. Maybe people are not ignorant. As things stand only about 15 % of the population have any interest in politics. That does not quite equate to being ignorant. Maybe the care worker who sees a variety of different clients on a day to day basis and potentially has a more informed view of life is quite capable of forming their own view of the government and exercises their choice during the general election. No one needs reminding of the result of the last election. "
post of the day spot on mate

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

The parliamentary committee made up of all parties directly criticised the governments handling of the covid crisis and they found that there were possibly thousands of unnecessary deaths.

So the Tory members of parliament agreed Boris mishandled the Covid epidemic.

I refer you to the parliamentary initial report in relation to the handling of the covid crisis and the repeated criticism of Boris Johnson in particular.

“This isn’t enough,” one MP involved in the process said. “We owe it to the families of those who died to get to the bottom of who got it wrong. And that needs a public inquiry.”

And yet you claim we are the best and award winning lol . Take your foot out of your mouth before you go to bed we don’t want you choking. Your comedy is too good to miss.

. A lot of people recognise that our overall management of the Covid programme was very successfull given the circumstances.

And yet the governments own statistics and the select committee review undertaken by MPs including Tory members say otherwise.,

Maybe you need to stick to the point as it was about covid and the statistics related to covid. The election was driven by Brexit and before covid. You inability to argue with facts is blatantly driving you to whataboutery again. The topic was covid but you failed to answer the facts again.

Mail on line 190m unique readers so more than the million hard copy readers.

More people voted for someone other that Boris so I think that means a “majority” statistically yet again. So you need to review your validity check.

You waffle and think you can be persuasive but it’s just waffle against facts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do wonder what Boris should need to do for his supporters to turn.

Or does the fact people voted for him a few years ago mean he has the freedom to do anything without repraoch.