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"What should be the international response if any ?" It should be condemned and classed as a war crime | |||
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"What should be the international response if any ? It should be condemned and classed as a war crime " Yes it has to be the same for both sides, even in war there are rules. As much as as it’s hard when you see and hear what the some Russian soldiers have done you can’t have open season on everyone. | |||
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" I think I'd find it hard to remember the Geneva Convention, stood in the rubble of my town with my friends and family displaced, dead or injured. " Every countries armed forces in conflict have broken it, so yes in a combat situation I agree with you.. It's that modern issue of not turning the camera off which we've seen some of our own do, but Ukraine if they don't look to take action diminish the brutal murders of their own civilian population.. | |||
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" I think I'd find it hard to remember the Geneva Convention, stood in the rubble of my town with my friends and family displaced, dead or injured. " I do agree with you it’s a hard thing to do and to be honest I don’t know if I could not be vindictive against someone who was invading my country and killing innocents. It’s not the same but if someone broke into my home and threatened violence would suffer a whole load right back at them. Does not make it right but it’s the rules of war  | |||
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"The President seems a reasonable person and I'd assume that he would want it to be investigated, without further repetitions. It should be and all individuals carry responsibility for their behaviour. The other side has the appearance of a more endemic problem, that's potentially part of their their strategy to destabilise and break morale down etc though. But each case should be treated fairly and by the same measures. " I feel it's very important for the Ukrainian authorities to be very quick to respond to this sort of thing. Whatever their, and our, thoughts about it. Purely so they retain the support of the world as it watches in detail what is going on. They do not want to give some of their less fervent supporters any excuse to argue that they do not deserve help. | |||
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" I think I'd find it hard to remember the Geneva Convention, stood in the rubble of my town with my friends and family displaced, dead or injured. Every countries armed forces in conflict have broken it, so yes in a combat situation I agree with you.. It's that modern issue of not turning the camera off which we've seen some of our own do, but Ukraine if they don't look to take action diminish the brutal murders of their own civilian population.." So you're saying it's ok as long as nobody knows ? | |||
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" I think I'd find it hard to remember the Geneva Convention, stood in the rubble of my town with my friends and family displaced, dead or injured. Every countries armed forces in conflict have broken it, so yes in a combat situation I agree with you.. It's that modern issue of not turning the camera off which we've seen some of our own do, but Ukraine if they don't look to take action diminish the brutal murders of their own civilian population.. So you're saying it's ok as long as nobody knows ?" No absolutely not and without being rude anyone who thinks it hasn't, doesn't or won't continue to happen is perhaps naïve.. | |||
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"i wonder if the ukraine will assign the perpitrators with alphabetical letters such as 'soldier E, soldier F soldier G' etc etc, and then proceed to attempt to put a time limit on their prosecution and delay the serving of justice for the murders as long as they can? but then surely no government could possibly be that repugnant or cynical and surely no citizen would support a government in so doing. " What are you talking about  | |||
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"What should be the international response if any ? It should be condemned and classed as a war crime " Same for any such act regardless of the side committing it. | |||
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"i wonder if the ukraine will assign the perpitrators with alphabetical letters such as 'soldier E, soldier F soldier G' etc etc, and then proceed to attempt to put a time limit on their prosecution and delay the serving of justice for the murders as long as they can? but then surely no government could possibly be that repugnant or cynical and surely no citizen would support a government in so doing. What are you talking about "Northern Ireland. | |||
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"i wonder if the ukraine will assign the perpitrators with alphabetical letters such as 'soldier E, soldier F soldier G' etc etc, and then proceed to attempt to put a time limit on their prosecution and delay the serving of justice for the murders as long as they can? but then surely no government could possibly be that repugnant or cynical and surely no citizen would support a government in so doing. What are you talking about
Northern Ireland. "Not the same thing at all | |||
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"As above, Ukraine must investigate and take action.. " They have already said they will. | |||
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"i wonder if the ukraine will assign the perpitrators with alphabetical letters such as 'soldier E, soldier F soldier G' etc etc, and then proceed to attempt to put a time limit on their prosecution and delay the serving of justice for the murders as long as they can? but then surely no government could possibly be that repugnant or cynical and surely no citizen would support a government in so doing. What are you talking about
Northern Ireland.
Not the same thing at all " | |||
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"i wonder if the ukraine will assign the perpitrators with alphabetical letters such as 'soldier E, soldier F soldier G' etc etc, and then proceed to attempt to put a time limit on their prosecution and delay the serving of justice for the murders as long as they can? but then surely no government could possibly be that repugnant or cynical and surely no citizen would support a government in so doing. What are you talking about
Northern Ireland.
Not the same thing at all "How not? British soilders murdered civilians in northern ireland and are getting away with it. But sure that makes them hero's who need to be protected | |||
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"i wonder if the ukraine will assign the perpitrators with alphabetical letters such as 'soldier E, soldier F soldier G' etc etc, and then proceed to attempt to put a time limit on their prosecution and delay the serving of justice for the murders as long as they can? but then surely no government could possibly be that repugnant or cynical and surely no citizen would support a government in so doing. What are you talking about
Northern Ireland.
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How not? British soilders murdered civilians in northern ireland and are getting away with it. But sure that makes them hero's who need to be protected "Allegedly? | |||
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"Allegedly?" the british government continue their attempts to prevent it being proved or disproved, which is the problem. in exactly the same way as they continue to prevent war crimes in iraq, afgahnistan and libya being proved or disproved. if the english state had nothing to hide then they would clearly let justice run it's course.  | |||
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"i wonder if the ukraine will assign the perpitrators with alphabetical letters such as 'soldier E, soldier F soldier G' etc etc, and then proceed to attempt to put a time limit on their prosecution and delay the serving of justice for the murders as long as they can? but then surely no government could possibly be that repugnant or cynical and surely no citizen would support a government in so doing. What are you talking about
Northern Ireland.
Not the same thing at all
How not? British soilders murdered civilians in northern ireland and are getting away with it. But sure that makes them hero's who need to be protected ". It looks like you might need to do a more detailed analysis of the troubles in NI. The British Army were simply there doing a job and attempting to keep the peace. There is no evidence to suggest that they deliberately murdered innocent people . When things go wrong you have a split second to make a decision . Anyone can attempt to rewrite history after the event and make different decisions with the benefit of hindsight . What we do know is that the IRA constantly murdered people during the troubles . These were despicable and cowardly acts. They did not care if people were injured during a bombing campaign . They literally attempted to maim and murder innocent people every day of the week . A mother of ten who helped a member of the army was adducte and murdered by the IRA. No decent person would even attempt to justify a campaign of this nature. Members of the security forces were constantly under threat, had to check their cars every day for booby traps and take different routes to work . Anyone with a valid objective would fight their case via the ballot box , not resort to a campaign of intimidation and murder. | |||
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" It looks like you might need to do a more detailed analysis of the troubles in NI. The British Army were simply there doing a job and attempting to keep the peace. There is no evidence to suggest that they deliberately murdered innocent people . When things go wrong you have a split second to make a decision . Anyone can attempt to rewrite history after the event and make different decisions with the benefit of hindsight . What we do know is that the IRA constantly murdered people during the troubles . These were despicable and cowardly acts. They did not care if people were injured during a bombing campaign . They literally attempted to maim and murder innocent people every day of the week . A mother of ten who helped a member of the army was adducte and murdered by the IRA. No decent person would even attempt to justify a campaign of this nature. Members of the security forces were constantly under threat, had to check their cars every day for booby traps and take different routes to work . Anyone with a valid objective would fight their case via the ballot box , not resort to a campaign of intimidation and murder. " hi, thanks for the reply. i prefer to listen to unbiased commentators on the the violence in northern ireland. cyber life is different to real life and it's easy for internet warriors to make claims that the english government weren't involved in horrific murders, but in real life they wouldn't dare go into laverys or kellys cellars and say derogatory thaings to people about the IRA and republicanism. luckily we now have a balanced political represention in northern ireland that advocates for peace and justice despite the english governments attempts to prevent this. | |||
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" It looks like you might need to do a more detailed analysis of the troubles in NI. The British Army were simply there doing a job and attempting to keep the peace. There is no evidence to suggest that they deliberately murdered innocent people . When things go wrong you have a split second to make a decision . Anyone can attempt to rewrite history after the event and make different decisions with the benefit of hindsight . What we do know is that the IRA constantly murdered people during the troubles . These were despicable and cowardly acts. They did not care if people were injured during a bombing campaign . They literally attempted to maim and murder innocent people every day of the week . A mother of ten who helped a member of the army was adducte and murdered by the IRA. No decent person would even attempt to justify a campaign of this nature. Members of the security forces were constantly under threat, had to check their cars every day for booby traps and take different routes to work . Anyone with a valid objective would fight their case via the ballot box , not resort to a campaign of intimidation and murder. hi, thanks for the reply. i prefer to listen to unbiased commentators on the the violence in northern ireland. cyber life is different to real life and it's easy for internet warriors to make claims that the english government weren't involved in horrific murders, but in real life they wouldn't dare go into laverys or kellys cellars and say derogatory thaings to people about the IRA and republicanism. luckily we now have a balanced political represention in northern ireland that advocates for peace and justice despite the english governments attempts to prevent this. " | |||
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" It looks like you might need to do a more detailed analysis of the troubles in NI. The British Army were simply there doing a job and attempting to keep the peace. There is no evidence to suggest that they deliberately murdered innocent people . When things go wrong you have a split second to make a decision . Anyone can attempt to rewrite history after the event and make different decisions with the benefit of hindsight . What we do know is that the IRA constantly murdered people during the troubles . These were despicable and cowardly acts. They did not care if people were injured during a bombing campaign . They literally attempted to maim and murder innocent people every day of the week . A mother of ten who helped a member of the army was adducte and murdered by the IRA. No decent person would even attempt to justify a campaign of this nature. Members of the security forces were constantly under threat, had to check their cars every day for booby traps and take different routes to work . Anyone with a valid objective would fight their case via the ballot box , not resort to a campaign of intimidation and murder. hi, thanks for the reply. i prefer to listen to unbiased commentators on the the violence in northern ireland. cyber life is different to real life and it's easy for internet warriors to make claims that the english government weren't involved in horrific murders, but in real life they wouldn't dare go into laverys or kellys cellars and say derogatory thaings to people about the IRA and republicanism. luckily we now have a balanced political represention in northern ireland that advocates for peace and justice despite the english governments attempts to prevent this. "I would happily sit an IRA sympathiser down and to his or her face point out the facts about the NI troubles, like the army was originally deployed to protect catholics, then point out the differences between an army governed by the rule of law, and a terrorist organisation that was happy to target women and children out shopping, used sexual violence as a way of enforcing its rule of fear and controlling large portions of the drug and prostitution trade all to further its "cause". Making the boys at the top rich but the average rebulican was on the dole. | |||
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"What should be the international response if any ? It should be condemned and classed as a war crime " I do not believe that any actions by the Ukrainian defenders against the Russian attackers can be considered a war crime. Has Russia officially declared war on Ukraine? Has Russia agreed that they will abide by the Geneva Convention? Is this a fair fight where rules have been agreed? Ukraine has not invaded Russia. Ukraine has not been dropping bombs on Russia. Ukrainians have not been r@ping and killing Russian civilians. If Russia was doing this to England, then I am absolutely certain that nobody here would be saying "we must abide by rules when we capture these people that have committed unprovoked attacks on us, that have destroyed our towns and killed our relatives". Ukrainians are being slaughtered by an overwhelmingly larger and more lethally armed force, while every other country is sitting watching it happen. They are in a fight against total annihilation. If this was happening to us we would not be taking captives and treating them as prisoners of war. The attackers do not have the same rights as the victims. By attacking, the Russian forces have given up any moral right to be afforded even the slightest mercy. | |||
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"What should be the international response if any ? It should be condemned and classed as a war crime I do not believe that any actions by the Ukrainian defenders against the Russian attackers can be considered a war crime. Has Russia officially declared war on Ukraine? Has Russia agreed that they will abide by the Geneva Convention? Is this a fair fight where rules have been agreed? Ukraine has not invaded Russia. Ukraine has not been dropping bombs on Russia. Ukrainians have not been r@ping and killing Russian civilians. If Russia was doing this to England, then I am absolutely certain that nobody here would be saying "we must abide by rules when we capture these people that have committed unprovoked attacks on us, that have destroyed our towns and killed our relatives". Ukrainians are being slaughtered by an overwhelmingly larger and more lethally armed force, while every other country is sitting watching it happen. They are in a fight against total annihilation. If this was happening to us we would not be taking captives and treating them as prisoners of war. The attackers do not have the same rights as the victims. By attacking, the Russian forces have given up any moral right to be afforded even the slightest mercy." I disagree, for Ukraine to maintain the moral high ground and keep winning the pr war then these must be investigated and punished accordingly otherwise they are no better than the Russian forces who are alleged to have killed civvies, don't forget there are checnian units in Ukraine under the Russian flag, this is how they fight. Also as for the "if it was us we would" look at what happened to marine a, who after a pro longer period of being cut off losing a large portion of his men shot and killed a wounded tailiban fighter, he was tried and convected by the British courts and after a length court case thankfully released. It's very easy to sit at home watching the TV, getting outraged at what the msm shows, but please the "what I would do if it was me" quote can't be used unless you have experienced war first hand | |||
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" It looks like you might need to do a more detailed analysis of the troubles in NI. The British Army were simply there doing a job and attempting to keep the peace. There is no evidence to suggest that they deliberately murdered innocent people . When things go wrong you have a split second to make a decision . Anyone can attempt to rewrite history after the event and make different decisions with the benefit of hindsight . What we do know is that the IRA constantly murdered people during the troubles . These were despicable and cowardly acts. They did not care if people were injured during a bombing campaign . They literally attempted to maim and murder innocent people every day of the week . A mother of ten who helped a member of the army was adducte and murdered by the IRA. No decent person would even attempt to justify a campaign of this nature. Members of the security forces were constantly under threat, had to check their cars every day for booby traps and take different routes to work . Anyone with a valid objective would fight their case via the ballot box , not resort to a campaign of intimidation and murder. hi, thanks for the reply. i prefer to listen to unbiased commentators on the the violence in northern ireland. cyber life is different to real life and it's easy for internet warriors to make claims that the english government weren't involved in horrific murders, but in real life they wouldn't dare go into laverys or kellys cellars and say derogatory thaings to people about the IRA and republicanism. luckily we now have a balanced political represention in northern ireland that advocates for peace and justice despite the english governments attempts to prevent this.
I would happily sit an IRA sympathiser down and to his or her face point out the facts about the NI troubles, like the army was originally deployed to protect catholics, then point out the differences between an army governed by the rule of law, and a terrorist organisation that was happy to target women and children out shopping, used sexual violence as a way of enforcing its rule of fear and controlling large portions of the drug and prostitution trade all to further its "cause". Making the boys at the top rich but the average rebulican was on the dole. "Crimes committed by the IRA were horrendous . In addition to all of the above the were involved in protection rackets and hideous crimes such as knee capping. In the warped and twisted minds of the IRA working as a building contactor doing work for the security forces was sufficient to justify murdering innocent people . In addition the IRAs campaign did an enormous amount of damage to the NI economy . No one with an ounce of decency can justify maiming and killing innocent people . | |||
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"I would happily sit an IRA sympathiser down and to his or her face point out the facts about the NI troubles, like the army was originally deployed to protect catholics, then point out the differences between an army governed by the rule of law, and a terrorist organisation that was happy to target women and children out shopping, used sexual violence as a way of enforcing its rule of fear and controlling large portions of the drug and prostitution trade all to further its "cause". Making the boys at the top rich but the average rebulican was on the dole. " i would happily correct your biased views on the reality of living through the horrors inflicted by paramilitary organisations from both sides along with the horrors inflicted by the english army, based on my experiences of attempting live a normal violence-free life in the holy lands during the conflict raging around us. | |||
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"I would happily sit an IRA sympathiser down and to his or her face point out the facts about the NI troubles, like the army was originally deployed to protect catholics, then point out the differences between an army governed by the rule of law, and a terrorist organisation that was happy to target women and children out shopping, used sexual violence as a way of enforcing its rule of fear and controlling large portions of the drug and prostitution trade all to further its "cause". Making the boys at the top rich but the average rebulican was on the dole. i would happily correct your biased views on the reality of living through the horrors inflicted by paramilitary organisations from both sides along with the horrors inflicted by the english army, based on my experiences of attempting live a normal violence-free life in the holy lands during the conflict raging around us. "Are you Gerry Adams ? | |||
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"I would happily sit an IRA sympathiser down and to his or her face point out the facts about the NI troubles, like the army was originally deployed to protect catholics, then point out the differences between an army governed by the rule of law, and a terrorist organisation that was happy to target women and children out shopping, used sexual violence as a way of enforcing its rule of fear and controlling large portions of the drug and prostitution trade all to further its "cause". Making the boys at the top rich but the average rebulican was on the dole. i would happily correct your biased views on the reality of living through the horrors inflicted by paramilitary organisations from both sides along with the horrors inflicted by the english army, based on my experiences of attempting live a normal violence-free life in the holy lands during the conflict raging around us. My baised view as you call it, is I feel quite a well informed view having been part of the British Army, (there is no such thing since the middle ages as an English army showing your boas there) and served a tour of ulster for 2.5 years during the early 90s, what horrors did I inflict cause I seem to remember being governed by ROE, having to keep a civil tongue when children spat and pissed on me, had my mother called a whore by known terrorist, unable to act because of the media outrage if a known terrorist should ever get his just and right punishment. " | |||
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"Is deflecting the debate to a completely different situation a long time ago in Northern Ireland some sort of attempt to justify the execution of Russian soldiers ? (If it actually happened) The Ukrainian men defined as soldiers if between 18 and 65 executed by Russian soldiers is somehow different ? If Putin is to be held accountable should Mr Zelenskyy be held accountable ? And no I don't excuse anything Russia did and would happily support the execution of Putin after a guilty verdict of warcrimes." no, the point i am alluding to is justice should be served in suspected cases of warcrimes. a point that escapes our conservative and unionist government and certain of their supporters who seek to block justice. | |||
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"I for one couldn't give a fxxx .shoot every russian rapist looting murdering scum bags" So how do you identify the guilty ones ? | |||
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"Allegedly? the british government continue their attempts to prevent it being proved or disproved, which is the problem. in exactly the same way as they continue to prevent war crimes in iraq, afgahnistan and libya being proved or disproved. if the english state had nothing to hide then they would clearly let justice run it's course. "Well said. | |||
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