FabSwingers.com forum: Rishi - Tories gotta Tory

By *ackal1 OP Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

So Rishi’s wife lives here and receives an estimated £11m in dividends. Because she is not allowed dual nationality she’s gone for the tax avoidance route of non domicile in the U.K just like many very wealthy individuals including the owner of the daily Mail and all those Russians.

So Rishi’s mrs keeps her money away from two tax regimes all while her husband increases tax on the workers of this country saying we need more tax revenue. I kid you not!

Do you seriously think these people give a fuck about you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So Rishi’s wife lives here and receives an estimated £11m in dividends. Because she is not allowed dual nationality she’s gone for the tax avoidance route of non domicile in the U.K just like many very wealthy individuals including the owner of the daily Mail and all those Russians.

So Rishi’s mrs keeps her money away from two tax regimes all while her husband increases tax on the workers of this country saying we need more tax revenue. I kid you not!

Do you seriously think these people give a fuck about you?

Shitty sunak doesn’t.

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By *ighty_tightyMan
over a year ago

Norfolk/Suffolk

I worked abroad and lived here for 10 years. Paid no UK tax.

I did what was best for me and my money as I'm sure most others would do given the opportunity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I worked abroad and lived here for 10 years. Paid no UK tax.

I did what was best for me and my money as I'm sure most others would do given the opportunity.

Are you married to the Chancellor of the exchequer ?

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By *ighty_tightyMan
over a year ago

Norfolk/Suffolk

"I worked abroad and lived here for 10 years. Paid no UK tax.

I did what was best for me and my money as I'm sure most others would do given the opportunity.

Are you married to the Chancellor of the exchequer ?"

Not that I'm aware of

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I worked abroad and lived here for 10 years. Paid no UK tax.

I did what was best for me and my money as I'm sure most others would do given the opportunity.

Are you married to the Chancellor of the exchequer ?

Not that I'm aware of"

Are you worth approx £350 million?

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By *ighty_tightyMan
over a year ago

Norfolk/Suffolk

"I worked abroad and lived here for 10 years. Paid no UK tax.

I did what was best for me and my money as I'm sure most others would do given the opportunity.

Are you married to the Chancellor of the exchequer ?

Not that I'm aware of

Are you worth approx £350 million? "

Not yet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I worked abroad and lived here for 10 years. Paid no UK tax.

I did what was best for me and my money as I'm sure most others would do given the opportunity.

Are you married to the Chancellor of the exchequer ?

Not that I'm aware of

Are you worth approx £350 million?

Not yet"

Have you received £11 million in dividends that you haven’t paid any tax on ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I worked abroad and lived here for 10 years. Paid no UK tax.

I did what was best for me and my money as I'm sure most others would do given the opportunity.

I wouldn’t, taxes pay for many things, all that general mentality does is increase the tax burden on hardworking people.

It practically taking all the benefits this country provides and paying nothing towards it.

So a benefit cheat, technically.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Very true

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By *itzi999Woman
over a year ago

Slough

"I worked abroad and lived here for 10 years. Paid no UK tax.

I did what was best for me and my money as I'm sure most others would do given the opportunity.

this!!!

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By *itzi999Woman
over a year ago

Slough

"I worked abroad and lived here for 10 years. Paid no UK tax.

I did what was best for me and my money as I'm sure most others would do given the opportunity.

I wouldn’t, taxes pay for many things, all that general mentality does is increase the tax burden on hardworking people.

It practically taking all the benefits this country provides and paying nothing towards it.

So a benefit cheat, technically."

It at all - it has been done within the law.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who do poor people try and defend rich people who use loop holes to not pay tax

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By *ighty_tightyMan
over a year ago

Norfolk/Suffolk

"Who do poor people try and defend rich people who use loop holes to not pay tax

Why are there rules and regulations that allow anyone that meets the criteria to not pay tax?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who do poor people try and defend rich people who use loop holes to not pay tax

Why are there rules and regulations that allow anyone that meets the criteria to not pay tax?

Try answering the question, why do some poor people think it’s ok for billionaires to pay hardly any tax, is it because they ‘know their place’

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By *ighty_tightyMan
over a year ago

Norfolk/Suffolk

"I worked abroad and lived here for 10 years. Paid no UK tax.

I did what was best for me and my money as I'm sure most others would do given the opportunity.

I wouldn’t, taxes pay for many things, all that general mentality does is increase the tax burden on hardworking people.

It practically taking all the benefits this country provides and paying nothing towards it.

So a benefit cheat, technically."

Technically? Not at all. I claimed no benefits.

I brought money in from outside our economy and spent it here. The money I spent was subsequently taxed and paid people's wages.

The only thing I didn't do was pay PAYE, why would I on money earnt elsewhere?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I worked abroad and lived here for 10 years. Paid no UK tax.

I did what was best for me and my money as I'm sure most others would do given the opportunity.

I wouldn’t, taxes pay for many things, all that general mentality does is increase the tax burden on hardworking people.

It practically taking all the benefits this country provides and paying nothing towards it.

So a benefit cheat, technically.

It at all - it has been done within the law. "

Laws written by the rich, to hide and avoid paying their fair share.

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By *ighty_tightyMan
over a year ago

Norfolk/Suffolk

"Who do poor people try and defend rich people who use loop holes to not pay tax

Why are there rules and regulations that allow anyone that meets the criteria to not pay tax?

Try answering the question, why do some poor people think it’s ok for billionaires to pay hardly any tax, is it because they ‘know their place’ "

Are you implying I'm poor?

Right or wrong, it's perfectly legal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who do poor people try and defend rich people who use loop holes to not pay tax

Why are there rules and regulations that allow anyone that meets the criteria to not pay tax?

Try answering the question, why do some poor people think it’s ok for billionaires to pay hardly any tax, is it because they ‘know their place’

Are you implying I'm poor?

Right or wrong, it's perfectly legal."

You are certainly very poor when compared with the Sunaks,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who do poor people try and defend rich people who use loop holes to not pay tax

Why are there rules and regulations that allow anyone that meets the criteria to not pay tax?

Try answering the question, why do some poor people think it’s ok for billionaires to pay hardly any tax, is it because they ‘know their place’

Are you implying I'm poor?

Right or wrong, it's perfectly legal."

It used to be perfectly legal to literally own other human beings, I gather. A practice so grim that fab won't even let me type the word for it.

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By *ighty_tightyMan
over a year ago

Norfolk/Suffolk

"Who do poor people try and defend rich people who use loop holes to not pay tax

Why are there rules and regulations that allow anyone that meets the criteria to not pay tax?

Try answering the question, why do some poor people think it’s ok for billionaires to pay hardly any tax, is it because they ‘know their place’

Are you implying I'm poor?

Right or wrong, it's perfectly legal.

You are certainly very poor when compared with the Sunaks, "

So these rules and laws, written by the rich and for the rich, can also benefit the poor too?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who do poor people try and defend rich people who use loop holes to not pay tax

Why are there rules and regulations that allow anyone that meets the criteria to not pay tax?

Try answering the question, why do some poor people think it’s ok for billionaires to pay hardly any tax, is it because they ‘know their place’

Are you implying I'm poor?

Right or wrong, it's perfectly legal.

You are certainly very poor when compared with the Sunaks,

So these rules and laws, written by the rich and for the rich, can also benefit the poor too?"

Nope, unless they have the money to pay expensive lawyers . in fact, compared to the Sunaks you are just a lowly peasant , your worth a tiny little fraction of what they are worth

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who do poor people try and defend rich people who use loop holes to not pay tax

Why are there rules and regulations that allow anyone that meets the criteria to not pay tax?

Try answering the question, why do some poor people think it’s ok for billionaires to pay hardly any tax, is it because they ‘know their place’

Are you implying I'm poor?

Right or wrong, it's perfectly legal.

You are certainly very poor when compared with the Sunaks,

So these rules and laws, written by the rich and for the rich, can also benefit the poor too?

Nope, unless they have the money to pay expensive lawyers . in fact, compared to the Sunaks you are just a lowly peasant , your worth a tiny little fraction of what they are worth "

Expensive accountants

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By *ighty_tightyMan
over a year ago

Norfolk/Suffolk

"Who do poor people try and defend rich people who use loop holes to not pay tax

Why are there rules and regulations that allow anyone that meets the criteria to not pay tax?

Try answering the question, why do some poor people think it’s ok for billionaires to pay hardly any tax, is it because they ‘know their place’

Are you implying I'm poor?

Right or wrong, it's perfectly legal.

You are certainly very poor when compared with the Sunaks,

So these rules and laws, written by the rich and for the rich, can also benefit the poor too?

Nope, unless they have the money to pay expensive lawyers . in fact, compared to the Sunaks you are just a lowly peasant , your worth a tiny little fraction of what they are worth "

Miniscule.

Yet I paid no expensive lawyers or accountants and still legally paid no UK tax.

Not pad for a peasant

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who do poor people try and defend rich people who use loop holes to not pay tax

Why are there rules and regulations that allow anyone that meets the criteria to not pay tax?

Try answering the question, why do some poor people think it’s ok for billionaires to pay hardly any tax, is it because they ‘know their place’

Are you implying I'm poor?

Right or wrong, it's perfectly legal.

You are certainly very poor when compared with the Sunaks,

So these rules and laws, written by the rich and for the rich, can also benefit the poor too?

Nope, unless they have the money to pay expensive lawyers . in fact, compared to the Sunaks you are just a lowly peasant , your worth a tiny little fraction of what they are worth

Miniscule.

Yet I paid no expensive lawyers or accountants and still legally paid no UK tax.

Not pad for a peasant"

Your earnings are pathetically irrelevant when compared with the sunaks, hardly worth mentioning tbh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do wonder if there's a teeny tiny issue of a person being chancellor - the guy who gets taxes from everybody - while his own wife dodges paying em.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I do wonder if there's a teeny tiny issue of a person being chancellor - the guy who gets taxes from everybody - while his own wife dodges paying em."

Don’t be daft, leave him alone, he is down to his last £500 million

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

"I do wonder if there's a teeny tiny issue of a person being chancellor - the guy who gets taxes from everybody - while his own wife dodges paying em.

Don’t be daft, leave him alone, he is down to his last £500 million "
. ,,, ,,, when George Osborne was Chancellor his family business didn't pay Corporation Tax for a number of years but was able to pay him a dividend

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I do wonder if there's a teeny tiny issue of a person being chancellor - the guy who gets taxes from everybody - while his own wife dodges paying em.

Don’t be daft, leave him alone, he is down to his last £500 million . ,,, ,,, when George Osborne was Chancellor his family business didn't pay Corporation Tax for a number of years but was able to pay him a dividend"

Another teeny tiny issue? Those things are everythwere, aren't they?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I worked abroad and lived here for 10 years. Paid no UK tax.

I did what was best for me and my money as I'm sure most others would do given the opportunity.

I wouldn’t, taxes pay for many things, all that general mentality does is increase the tax burden on hardworking people.

It practically taking all the benefits this country provides and paying nothing towards it.

So a benefit cheat, technically.

Technically? Not at all. I claimed no benefits.

I brought money in from outside our economy and spent it here. The money I spent was subsequently taxed and paid people's wages.

The only thing I didn't do was pay PAYE, why would I on money earnt elsewhere?"

And that was probably at the higher threshold.

And when I mean benefits, I am not talking about UC or other things like.

I am talking about transportation, health and social care, defence, environmental services, border protection,education, pensions etc. the general workings of society.

Things where there are usually deficits because people ain’t paying their fair shake, which increases the tax burden for many ordinary people who do not have the luxury of this “rich persons” benefit.

If everyone paid their fair share, more than likely the taxes could be realistically reduced for all, then it would turbo charge the economy because 95% of the population would have more spending power than just 5%, and boost UK businesses, who will have higher profits which means the government could reduce the percentage of corporation tax being paid, which attracts more business to put their bases here and invest in big projects with even more money coming in, because of our fully funded high quality infrastructure, safe in the knowledge that we are properly defended because we fully invest in high tech defence systems.

I suspect there are indeed millions of people in the UK who have the same me,me,me,me mentality.

Its all about the bigger picture, and who thought one person avoiding tax wouldn’t make a difference in the grander scheme of things?

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By *ighty_tightyMan
over a year ago

Norfolk/Suffolk

"Who do poor people try and defend rich people who use loop holes to not pay tax

Why are there rules and regulations that allow anyone that meets the criteria to not pay tax?

Try answering the question, why do some poor people think it’s ok for billionaires to pay hardly any tax, is it because they ‘know their place’

Are you implying I'm poor?

Right or wrong, it's perfectly legal.

You are certainly very poor when compared with the Sunaks,

So these rules and laws, written by the rich and for the rich, can also benefit the poor too?

Nope, unless they have the money to pay expensive lawyers . in fact, compared to the Sunaks you are just a lowly peasant , your worth a tiny little fraction of what they are worth

Miniscule.

Yet I paid no expensive lawyers or accountants and still legally paid no UK tax.

Not pad for a peasant

Your earnings are pathetically irrelevant when compared with the sunaks, hardly worth mentioning tbh"

The amount isn't the point. The point is that it's not just the Sunaks. This isn't new. People will do what they can to save/make money

Do you pay more than you need to for goods or have you ever shopped around for the best deal?

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

"Who do poor people try and defend rich people who use loop holes to not pay tax

Why are there rules and regulations that allow anyone that meets the criteria to not pay tax?

Try answering the question, why do some poor people think it’s ok for billionaires to pay hardly any tax, is it because they ‘know their place’

Are you implying I'm poor?

Right or wrong, it's perfectly legal.

You are certainly very poor when compared with the Sunaks,

So these rules and laws, written by the rich and for the rich, can also benefit the poor too?

Nope, unless they have the money to pay expensive lawyers . in fact, compared to the Sunaks you are just a lowly peasant , your worth a tiny little fraction of what they are worth

Miniscule.

Yet I paid no expensive lawyers or accountants and still legally paid no UK tax.

Not pad for a peasant

Your earnings are pathetically irrelevant when compared with the sunaks, hardly worth mentioning tbh

The amount isn't the point. The point is that it's not just the Sunaks. This isn't new. People will do what they can to save/make money

Do you pay more than you need to for goods or have you ever shopped around for the best deal?"
,,, ,,, ,,, , it isn't just the Sunaks the Osbornes did it as well when we were all in it together

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who do poor people try and defend rich people who use loop holes to not pay tax

Why are there rules and regulations that allow anyone that meets the criteria to not pay tax?

Try answering the question, why do some poor people think it’s ok for billionaires to pay hardly any tax, is it because they ‘know their place’

Are you implying I'm poor?

Right or wrong, it's perfectly legal.

You are certainly very poor when compared with the Sunaks,

So these rules and laws, written by the rich and for the rich, can also benefit the poor too?"

Tell me if a worker who is on minimum wage and works every hour given to them has the ability to even get the chance to do what you did? Not like they could work remotely from a job which requires their physical presence?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who do poor people try and defend rich people who use loop holes to not pay tax

Why are there rules and regulations that allow anyone that meets the criteria to not pay tax?

Try answering the question, why do some poor people think it’s ok for billionaires to pay hardly any tax, is it because they ‘know their place’

Are you implying I'm poor?

Right or wrong, it's perfectly legal.

You are certainly very poor when compared with the Sunaks,

So these rules and laws, written by the rich and for the rich, can also benefit the poor too?

Nope, unless they have the money to pay expensive lawyers . in fact, compared to the Sunaks you are just a lowly peasant , your worth a tiny little fraction of what they are worth

Miniscule.

Yet I paid no expensive lawyers or accountants and still legally paid no UK tax.

Not pad for a peasant

Your earnings are pathetically irrelevant when compared with the sunaks, hardly worth mentioning tbh

The amount isn't the point. The point is that it's not just the Sunaks. This isn't new. People will do what they can to save/make money

Do you pay more than you need to for goods or have you ever shopped around for the best deal?"

Save money in the short term, pay for it in the long term. Its like the difference between buying cheap suit and an expensive suit. Which is better quality and will last ages, and which one would fall apart after a few outings?

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By *ighty_tightyMan
over a year ago

Norfolk/Suffolk

"Who do poor people try and defend rich people who use loop holes to not pay tax

Why are there rules and regulations that allow anyone that meets the criteria to not pay tax?

Try answering the question, why do some poor people think it’s ok for billionaires to pay hardly any tax, is it because they ‘know their place’

Are you implying I'm poor?

Right or wrong, it's perfectly legal.

You are certainly very poor when compared with the Sunaks,

So these rules and laws, written by the rich and for the rich, can also benefit the poor too?

Opportunity and luck. That's how I ended up doing what I do. I'm not better than anyone else nor do I claim to be.

Will I make the most of every benefit I can get, yes.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

There are a few points here that explain the outrage (well there SHOULD be outrage)...

1) Hypocrisy

2) It is legal but is it morally right

3) HMRC have spent the years under the Tories changing the narrative to conflate Tax Avoidance (legal) with Tax Evasion (illegal) and doing all they can to punish “the little guy”*** while permitting the rich to continually exploit loopholes.

4) Optics look bad - the Chancellor says he cannot do anything to help ordinary people facing the highest taxes in decades and a cost of living crisis, who has been part of a Govt that has enriched cronies and family/friends through corrupt PPE contracts etc, has forced DHSC to write off £8bn in unusable PPE (guess who supplied it) and HMRC write off £4bn in irrecoverable Covid Support (fraudulently claimed) then impose NI increases that raise, you guessed it, £12bn.

5) Sunak’s wife had companies that benefitted from Furlough and other Covid support to the tube of £millions and then...she closed the companies down.

Like Johnson he is another world class crook with his nose in the trough.

***look into the Loan Charge scandal. People who were tax avoiding through perfectly legal mechanisms back in early 2000s have been so aggressively pursued by HMRC with retrospective tax going back 20 years, that there have been at least 7 suicides. Guess who ran some of these loan schemes? Doug Barrowman. Who is he? Husband of Tory Peer Michelle Moane. That’s right the people who exploited the VIP lane for PPE procurement and sold the Govt (the country as it is our money) PPE at a 3 x mark up paid to their offshore (Isle of Man) company paying no tax on that income!

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By *ackal1 OP Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

"I worked abroad and lived here for 10 years. Paid no UK tax.

I did what was best for me and my money as I'm sure most others would do given the opportunity.

I wouldn’t, taxes pay for many things, all that general mentality does is increase the tax burden on hardworking people.

It practically taking all the benefits this country provides and paying nothing towards it.

So a benefit cheat, technically.

Technically? Not at all. I claimed no benefits.

I brought money in from outside our economy and spent it here. The money I spent was subsequently taxed and paid people's wages.

The only thing I didn't do was pay PAYE, why would I on money earnt elsewhere?"

I agree with everything you say almost.

1. What you did was legal assuming where you were paid from approved your tax free status.

2. Yes a lot of people would pay no tax if they could as that’s how the me me me world is.

3. Yes you are in receipt of benefits although not an a specific unemployment cheque.

If your house is on fire you would expect a fire engine to turn up. If you are attacked or in a car crash you would expect the police or an ambulance and A&E.

You see benefits are paid by the tax payer.

You use roads paid for and lighted by the tax payer. Do you have children in education? Guess who pays that? Unless they are in private school.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

chancer of the exchequer mr high risk anus steals from the country yet again.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"I worked abroad and lived here for 10 years. Paid no UK tax.

I did what was best for me and my money as I'm sure most others would do given the opportunity.

this!!!"

I do enjoy this in a weird way. People who support the Tories also supporting them ripping off British people.

At least they're honest with their distain for the UK.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I worked abroad and lived here for 10 years. Paid no UK tax.

I did what was best for me and my money as I'm sure most others would do given the opportunity.

It's hilarious how many people say they wouldn't.

If they suddenly came into £millions, of course they'd be scrabbling to give it to the poor. No way they'd try and hang onto it.

Thankfully only the Tories are corrupt. All other rich people/ other political parties are pure.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"I worked abroad and lived here for 10 years. Paid no UK tax.

I did what was best for me and my money as I'm sure most others would do given the opportunity.

It's hilarious how many people say they wouldn't.

If they suddenly came into £millions, of course they'd be scrabbling to give it to the poor. No way they'd try and hang onto it.

Thankfully only the Tories are corrupt. All other rich people/ other political parties are pure.

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so true.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"I worked abroad and lived here for 10 years. Paid no UK tax.

I did what was best for me and my money as I'm sure most others would do given the opportunity.

It's hilarious how many people say they wouldn't.

If they suddenly came into £millions, of course they'd be scrabbling to give it to the poor. No way they'd try and hang onto it.

Thankfully only the Tories are corrupt. All other rich people/ other political parties are pure.

No one's saying that.

Tories get more scrutiny because they're in power, they could do something about tax avoidance, but choose not to, and instead choose to rip off British people by avoiding tax.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"I worked abroad and lived here for 10 years. Paid no UK tax.

I did what was best for me and my money as I'm sure most others would do given the opportunity.

It's hilarious how many people say they wouldn't.

If they suddenly came into £millions, of course they'd be scrabbling to give it to the poor. No way they'd try and hang onto it.

Thankfully only the Tories are corrupt. All other rich people/ other political parties are pure.

No one's saying that.

Tories get more scrutiny because they're in power, they could do something about tax avoidance, but choose not to, and instead choose to rip off British people by avoiding tax. "

As per my point above on the Loan Charge - they DO do something about avoidance. They go after the little guys rather than the super wealthy.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"I worked abroad and lived here for 10 years. Paid no UK tax.

I did what was best for me and my money as I'm sure most others would do given the opportunity.

It's hilarious how many people say they wouldn't.

If they suddenly came into £millions, of course they'd be scrabbling to give it to the poor. No way they'd try and hang onto it.

Thankfully only the Tories are corrupt. All other rich people/ other political parties are pure.

so true.

Of course everyone would like to pay less tax and if there are legal ways to do that then they will (putting money in an ISA is tax avoidance).

In Mrs Sunak’s case she applied for Non Dom status 13 years ago when they got married. To be a Non Dom you need to show active links to your declared country where you are domiciled. Apparently she does not own a property in India but does own three homes in UK and a holiday home in USA. Her kids are educated in the UK and she is a donor to the Private school Winchester College. She spends way more than 90 days a year in the UK. It can therefore be argued by HMRC if they chose to investigate (hmmm who is the boss I wonder) that Mrs Sunak is not eligible for declared Non Dom status.

Non Dom status must also demonstrate a temporary nature of your (can be regular) stay in the UK with clear intention of going “home”. Well her husband’s job and ambitions are clear that they won’t/cannot move back to India. So not a Non Dom.

And before anyone shouts “she is an Indian citizen” that is irrelevant in this case.

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

"I worked abroad and lived here for 10 years. Paid no UK tax.

I did what was best for me and my money as I'm sure most others would do given the opportunity.

It's hilarious how many people say they wouldn't.

If they suddenly came into £millions, of course they'd be scrabbling to give it to the poor. No way they'd try and hang onto it.

Thankfully only the Tories are corrupt. All other rich people/ other political parties are pure.

so true.

Of course everyone would like to pay less tax and if there are legal ways to do that then they will (putting money in an ISA is tax avoidance).

And before anyone shouts “she is an Indian citizen” that is irrelevant in this case."

So she's a criminal ?

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"I worked abroad and lived here for 10 years. Paid no UK tax.

I did what was best for me and my money as I'm sure most others would do given the opportunity.

It's hilarious how many people say they wouldn't.

If they suddenly came into £millions, of course they'd be scrabbling to give it to the poor. No way they'd try and hang onto it.

Thankfully only the Tories are corrupt. All other rich people/ other political parties are pure.

No one's saying that.

Tories get more scrutiny because they're in power, they could do something about tax avoidance, but choose not to, and instead choose to rip off British people by avoiding tax.

As per my point above on the Loan Charge - they DO do something about avoidance. They go after the little guys rather than the super wealthy."

That's what people who vote Conservative seem to like though. One rule for us, and another for them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I worked abroad and lived here for 10 years. Paid no UK tax.

I did what was best for me and my money as I'm sure most others would do given the opportunity.

It's hilarious how many people say they wouldn't.

If they suddenly came into £millions, of course they'd be scrabbling to give it to the poor. No way they'd try and hang onto it.

Thankfully only the Tories are corrupt. All other rich people/ other political parties are pure.

No one's saying that.

Tories get more scrutiny because they're in power, they could do something about tax avoidance, but choose not to, and instead choose to rip off British people by avoiding tax. "

Tbh, I think it is now acceptable for everyone (rich and poor) to be encouraged and given as much information (by the government) to help them pay as little tax as legally possible

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By *ackal1 OP Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

Turns out a report has shown 1 in 10 households in the richest boroughs in London are inhabited by non domiciles.

Are we mad or what to let this happen ?? Before anyone says they get the money from abroad they are living and working here but keeping the money they generate offshore.

What utter madness our society is becoming. And yet people keep voting for this like lemmings!!

Singapore here we come.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"I worked abroad and lived here for 10 years. Paid no UK tax.

I did what was best for me and my money as I'm sure most others would do given the opportunity.

It's hilarious how many people say they wouldn't.

If they suddenly came into £millions, of course they'd be scrabbling to give it to the poor. No way they'd try and hang onto it.

Thankfully only the Tories are corrupt. All other rich people/ other political parties are pure.

so true.

Of course everyone would like to pay less tax and if there are legal ways to do that then they will (putting money in an ISA is tax avoidance).

And before anyone shouts “she is an Indian citizen” that is irrelevant in this case.

So she's a criminal ?"

Only HMRC can determine her eligibility for Non-Dom status. So she best ask her husband.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

"I worked abroad and lived here for 10 years. Paid no UK tax.

I did what was best for me and my money as I'm sure most others would do given the opportunity.

It's hilarious how many people say they wouldn't.

If they suddenly came into £millions, of course they'd be scrabbling to give it to the poor. No way they'd try and hang onto it.

Thankfully only the Tories are corrupt. All other rich people/ other political parties are pure.

so true.

Of course everyone would like to pay less tax and if there are legal ways to do that then they will (putting money in an ISA is tax avoidance).

And before anyone shouts “she is an Indian citizen” that is irrelevant in this case.

So she's a criminal ?"

The entire current government are criminals who have infiltrated and subverted the political and legal systems. The only difference between the tory government and the mafia is that the mafia think smaller. The mafia still rely on guns and brutality to make money. The tories have refined the methods to the point where society brutalises itself and is happy to steal from those without to give to those who already have a thousand lifetimes worth of wealth.

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By *ighty_tightyMan
over a year ago

Norfolk/Suffolk

"I worked abroad and lived here for 10 years. Paid no UK tax.

I did what was best for me and my money as I'm sure most others would do given the opportunity.

this!!!

I do enjoy this in a weird way. People who support the Tories also supporting them ripping off British people.

At least they're honest with their distain for the UK."

How was I ripping off the UK?

I earnt money outside the UK and brought it back here. I could have easily stayed away and spent the money elsewhere.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"I worked abroad and lived here for 10 years. Paid no UK tax.

I did what was best for me and my money as I'm sure most others would do given the opportunity.

this!!!

I do enjoy this in a weird way. People who support the Tories also supporting them ripping off British people.

At least they're honest with their distain for the UK.

How was I ripping off the UK?

I earnt money outside the UK and brought it back here. I could have easily stayed away and spent the money elsewhere.

Apologies, I was referring to those in government who do. And those who champion them to both control the legislation that allows for tax loopholes, and at the same time benefit from the tax loopholes.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"I worked abroad and lived here for 10 years. Paid no UK tax.

I did what was best for me and my money as I'm sure most others would do given the opportunity.

this!!!

I do enjoy this in a weird way. People who support the Tories also supporting them ripping off British people.

At least they're honest with their distain for the UK.

How was I ripping off the UK?

I earnt money outside the UK and brought it back here. I could have easily stayed away and spent the money elsewhere.

Did you pay tax on the earnings in the country where you were working?

I think the point is that you were living in the UK “enjoying” access to state funded services (roads, hospitals/doctors, police, fire brigade, if you have kids then education etc etc) but due to not paying tax you did not contribute to the cost of those.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"I worked abroad and lived here for 10 years. Paid no UK tax.

I did what was best for me and my money as I'm sure most others would do given the opportunity.

It's hilarious how many people say they wouldn't.

If they suddenly came into £millions, of course they'd be scrabbling to give it to the poor. No way they'd try and hang onto it.

Thankfully only the Tories are corrupt. All other rich people/ other political parties are pure.

No one's saying that.

Tories get more scrutiny because they're in power, they could do something about tax avoidance, but choose not to, and instead choose to rip off British people by avoiding tax.

Tbh, I think it is now acceptable for everyone (rich and poor) to be encouraged and given as much information (by the government) to help them pay as little tax as legally possible "

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By *ighty_tightyMan
over a year ago

Norfolk/Suffolk

"I worked abroad and lived here for 10 years. Paid no UK tax.

I did what was best for me and my money as I'm sure most others would do given the opportunity.

this!!!

I do enjoy this in a weird way. People who support the Tories also supporting them ripping off British people.

At least they're honest with their distain for the UK.

How was I ripping off the UK?

I earnt money outside the UK and brought it back here. I could have easily stayed away and spent the money elsewhere.

Did you pay tax on the earnings in the country where you were working?

Local taxes to where the money cam from, yes. Did I get any benefits that money funded? No.

I still paid my NI contributions, the money I earnt elsewhere went into the UK economy and was considerably more than I would have paid in PAYE.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"I worked abroad and lived here for 10 years. Paid no UK tax.

I did what was best for me and my money as I'm sure most others would do given the opportunity.

this!!!

I do enjoy this in a weird way. People who support the Tories also supporting them ripping off British people.

At least they're honest with their distain for the UK.

How was I ripping off the UK?

I earnt money outside the UK and brought it back here. I could have easily stayed away and spent the money elsewhere.

Did you pay tax on the earnings in the country where you were working?

Local taxes to where the money cam from, yes. Did I get any benefits that money funded? No.

I still paid my NI contributions, the money I earnt elsewhere went into the UK economy and was considerably more than I would have paid in PAYE.

I am not taking issue re earning abroad etc but saying your money went into the UK economy is not really the same as contributing direct taxation.

Your personal circumstances are none of my business anyway. The real issue here though is Mrs Sunak.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Who do poor people try and defend rich people who use loop holes to not pay tax

Why are there rules and regulations that allow anyone that meets the criteria to not pay tax?

Try answering the question, why do some poor people think it’s ok for billionaires to pay hardly any tax, is it because they ‘know their place’

Are you implying I'm poor?

Right or wrong, it's perfectly legal.

You are certainly very poor when compared with the Sunaks,

So these rules and laws, written by the rich and for the rich, can also benefit the poor too?

Time and time again I see people being challenged, or made to feel bad about their earnings and making more money than others. Challenged to think that they don't deserve an opinion because they have a charmed life, by people who throw the, how about those on minimum wage, working every hour etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who do poor people try and defend rich people who use loop holes to not pay tax

Why are there rules and regulations that allow anyone that meets the criteria to not pay tax?

Try answering the question, why do some poor people think it’s ok for billionaires to pay hardly any tax, is it because they ‘know their place’

Are you implying I'm poor?

Right or wrong, it's perfectly legal.

You are certainly very poor when compared with the Sunaks,

So these rules and laws, written by the rich and for the rich, can also benefit the poor too?

Not entirely true, if you are born into wealth and privilege your have far more opportunities than if you are born into poverty, especially in Britain . The outdated class system here is still relevant , just look at the number of PMs that have been to Eton, we still have a ‘jobs for the boys’ culture

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By *irtyold manMan
over a year ago

barnsley

Oure leaders are so out of touch with the population its almost like the french revolution when folks were starving and had no bread so the royals said let them eat cake.

If things dont change i can see a revolution in the future like in most third world countries

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Who do poor people try and defend rich people who use loop holes to not pay tax

Why are there rules and regulations that allow anyone that meets the criteria to not pay tax?

Try answering the question, why do some poor people think it’s ok for billionaires to pay hardly any tax, is it because they ‘know their place’

Are you implying I'm poor?

Right or wrong, it's perfectly legal.

You are certainly very poor when compared with the Sunaks,

So these rules and laws, written by the rich and for the rich, can also benefit the poor too?

Life is tough, people work hard, study hard and take opportunities, some more than others. On a minimum wage, do something about it other than moan and think that because you haven't made the best of it others should be constantly thinking how lucky they are, you make your own luck."
Have to agree life is what you make it,you can sit on here moaning about not having enough or get out and do something about it.Funny the more i worked the more i earned i know thats a strange concept for some to understand.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Who do poor people try and defend rich people who use loop holes to not pay tax

Why are there rules and regulations that allow anyone that meets the criteria to not pay tax?

Try answering the question, why do some poor people think it’s ok for billionaires to pay hardly any tax, is it because they ‘know their place’

Are you implying I'm poor?

Right or wrong, it's perfectly legal.

You are certainly very poor when compared with the Sunaks,

So these rules and laws, written by the rich and for the rich, can also benefit the poor too?

I wasn't really referring to the born into, more the comments aimed at Righty Tighty, ref minimum wage.

Being born into wealth, will certainly afford many more opportunities, but not being born into large wealth, doesn't take away opportunity. I know people that have made enough to retire on before they hit 30, they were not privileged with being given vast amounts of money to start out with.

They took their opportunities to learn, understand, grab opportunities no matter how crazy or out of their league! They grew confident and this led them to learn their worth and earn accordingly.

Going back to topic, Sunak is moving in all the right circles, some see success, others greed. However you see him, he wont give a flying, he would have learnt that years ago.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Who do poor people try and defend rich people who use loop holes to not pay tax

Why are there rules and regulations that allow anyone that meets the criteria to not pay tax?

Try answering the question, why do some poor people think it’s ok for billionaires to pay hardly any tax, is it because they ‘know their place’

Are you implying I'm poor?

Right or wrong, it's perfectly legal.

You are certainly very poor when compared with the Sunaks,

So these rules and laws, written by the rich and for the rich, can also benefit the poor too?

Life is tough, people work hard, study hard and take opportunities, some more than others. On a minimum wage, do something about it other than moan and think that because you haven't made the best of it others should be constantly thinking how lucky they are, you make your own luck.Have to agree life is what you make it,you can sit on here moaning about not having enough or get out and do something about it.Funny the more i worked the more i earned i know thats a strange concept for some to understand."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who do poor people try and defend rich people who use loop holes to not pay tax

Why are there rules and regulations that allow anyone that meets the criteria to not pay tax?

Try answering the question, why do some poor people think it’s ok for billionaires to pay hardly any tax, is it because they ‘know their place’

Are you implying I'm poor?

Right or wrong, it's perfectly legal.

You are certainly very poor when compared with the Sunaks,

So these rules and laws, written by the rich and for the rich, can also benefit the poor too?

I wasn't really referring to the born into, more the comments aimed at Righty Tighty, ref minimum wage.

They took their opportunities to learn, understand, grab opportunities no matter how crazy or out of their league! They grew confident and this led them to learn their worth and earn accordingly.

Going back to topic, Sunak is moving in all the right circles, some see success, others greed. However you see him, he wont give a flying, he would have learnt that years ago. "

True, unfortunately he is the chancellor , so with him being a rich greedy bastard it is a bit of a worry

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Who do poor people try and defend rich people who use loop holes to not pay tax

Why are there rules and regulations that allow anyone that meets the criteria to not pay tax?

Try answering the question, why do some poor people think it’s ok for billionaires to pay hardly any tax, is it because they ‘know their place’

Are you implying I'm poor?

Right or wrong, it's perfectly legal.

You are certainly very poor when compared with the Sunaks,

So these rules and laws, written by the rich and for the rich, can also benefit the poor too?

I wasn't really referring to the born into, more the comments aimed at Righty Tighty, ref minimum wage.

They took their opportunities to learn, understand, grab opportunities no matter how crazy or out of their league! They grew confident and this led them to learn their worth and earn accordingly.

Going back to topic, Sunak is moving in all the right circles, some see success, others greed. However you see him, he wont give a flying, he would have learnt that years ago.

True, unfortunately he is the chancellor , so with him being a rich greedy bastard it is a bit of a worry

This is what people like and vote for though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who do poor people try and defend rich people who use loop holes to not pay tax

Why are there rules and regulations that allow anyone that meets the criteria to not pay tax?

Try answering the question, why do some poor people think it’s ok for billionaires to pay hardly any tax, is it because they ‘know their place’

Are you implying I'm poor?

Right or wrong, it's perfectly legal.

You are certainly very poor when compared with the Sunaks,

So these rules and laws, written by the rich and for the rich, can also benefit the poor too?

I wasn't really referring to the born into, more the comments aimed at Righty Tighty, ref minimum wage.

They took their opportunities to learn, understand, grab opportunities no matter how crazy or out of their league! They grew confident and this led them to learn their worth and earn accordingly.

Going back to topic, Sunak is moving in all the right circles, some see success, others greed. However you see him, he wont give a flying, he would have learnt that years ago.

True, unfortunately he is the chancellor , so with him being a rich greedy bastard it is a bit of a worry

This is what people like and vote for though. "

Yep, they know their place,

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

It’s one of those subjects where yes there is a legal separation between tax evasion and tax avoidance… and we all normally have a go at celebrities when they get caught doing it… normally by higher up politicians!

Legally it might be just about this side of a fine line… but ethically… you have to have a pretty large brass set to advocating for those who do it!!!

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

According to the BBC this law is over 200 years old. So governments of all colours have had the chance to change it. If all those governments in all those years failed to change it then I can't see it changing any time soon.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"It’s one of those subjects where yes there is a legal separation between tax evasion and tax avoidance… and we all normally have a go at celebrities when they get caught doing it… normally by higher up politicians!

Legally it might be just about this side of a fine line… but ethically… you have to have a pretty large brass set to advocating for those who do it!!! "
Why is it a very fine line? Its not like he tried to hide it in the declaration of financial interests. I think sks might just be a little jealous he hasn't got a hot rich mrs and should concentrate on telling us what he is going to do if he wants to start winning people over.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just gonna leave this here:

The ministerial code states ministers “must ensure that no conflict arises, or could reasonably be perceived to arise, between their public duties and their private interests, financial or otherwise”. It adds that on appointment, ministers have to provide a list of all interests which “might be thought to give rise to a conflict”, this should also cover “interests of the minister’s spouse or partner and close family”.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Just gonna leave this here:

The code is a joke. Just like at JRM in the interview where he's gleefully talking about the pandemic being an opportunity for disaster capitalism. Or his part in brexit just so his company could make billions shorting the pound.

Still, this is what the British public vote for.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just gonna leave this here:

Still, this is what the British public vote for."

It would be nice if they at least pretended to obey some rules or guidelines though, wouldn't it?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Just gonna leave this here:

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Just gonna leave this here:

If he failed to register his wife's tax status when becoming a minister then he has not got a leg to stand on. I have not seen it reported that he failed to do this but maybe that's to come

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just gonna leave this here:

If he failed to register his wife's tax status when becoming a minister then he has not got a leg to stand on. I have not seen it reported that he failed to do this but maybe that's to come"

Rules and laws don't seem to matter. After all, Johnson is still PM...

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

Just as a footnote non doms was introduced in the uk in 1799 and im sure if politicians from any party wanted to change it they would have done by now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just as a footnote non doms was introduced in the uk in 1799 and im sure if politicians from any party wanted to change it they would have done by now.

quality deflection there. Keep up the bad work

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Legally it might be just about this side of a fine line… but ethically… you have to have a pretty large brass set to advocating for those who do it!!! "
sorry _abio ethics and morality left yrs ago there is no space in modern society for it

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Just gonna leave this here:

If he failed to register his wife's tax status when becoming a minister then he has not got a leg to stand on. I have not seen it reported that he failed to do this but maybe that's to come

Rules and laws don't seem to matter. After all, Johnson is still PM..."

Sorry are you saying he broke the rules but will get away with it?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Just as a footnote non doms was introduced in the uk in 1799 and im sure if politicians from any party wanted to change it they would have done by now.

quality deflection there. Keep up the bad work

"
How is that deflection ? why hasn't any party changed it when in power any idea?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just gonna leave this here:

If he failed to register his wife's tax status when becoming a minister then he has not got a leg to stand on. I have not seen it reported that he failed to do this but maybe that's to come

Rules and laws don't seem to matter. After all, Johnson is still PM...

Sorry are you saying he broke the rules but will get away with it?"

Hmmm I wonder. Johnson broke the rules many times (and seemingly the law), but he's still there. When Paterson broke the laws, Johnson actually tried to tear up the rulebook. When Patel was found guilty of bullying, Johnson ignored the report and backed her.

Rules and laws really don't matter to a Johnson government.

Ironically, what might finish Sunak off is the fact he's been touted as a possible replacement to Johnson. Johnson would v likely boot him out if he feels at risk personally from Sunak.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Just gonna leave this here:

Still, this is what the British public vote for.

It would be nice if they at least pretended to obey some rules or guidelines though, wouldn't it?"

Why would they bother? People vote for them anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just gonna leave this here:

Still, this is what the British public vote for.

It would be nice if they at least pretended to obey some rules or guidelines though, wouldn't it?

Why would they bother? People vote for them anyway."

I'm trying to nurse a tiny bit of hope the May elections may be awful for the Tories in the wake of Partygate. Time will tell, I guess...

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Just gonna leave this here:

If he failed to register his wife's tax status when becoming a minister then he has not got a leg to stand on. I have not seen it reported that he failed to do this but maybe that's to come

Rules and laws don't seem to matter. After all, Johnson is still PM...

Sorry are you saying he broke the rules but will get away with it?

Rules and laws really don't matter to a Johnson government.

Ironically, what might finish Sunak off is the fact he's been touted as a possible replacement to Johnson. Johnson would v likely boot him out if he feels at risk personally from Sunak."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just gonna leave this here:

If he failed to register his wife's tax status when becoming a minister then he has not got a leg to stand on. I have not seen it reported that he failed to do this but maybe that's to come

Rules and laws don't seem to matter. After all, Johnson is still PM...

Sorry are you saying he broke the rules but will get away with it?

Rules and laws really don't matter to a Johnson government.

Ironically, what might finish Sunak off is the fact he's been touted as a possible replacement to Johnson. Johnson would v likely boot him out if he feels at risk personally from Sunak.

Yes Sunak probably broke the rules. But Johnson has form in not giving a shit about that. So on that basis, he'll be allowed to get away with it. (Unless Johnson wants him gone for other reasons.)

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Just gonna leave this here:

If he failed to register his wife's tax status when becoming a minister then he has not got a leg to stand on. I have not seen it reported that he failed to do this but maybe that's to come

Rules and laws don't seem to matter. After all, Johnson is still PM...

Sorry are you saying he broke the rules but will get away with it?

Rules and laws really don't matter to a Johnson government.

Ironically, what might finish Sunak off is the fact he's been touted as a possible replacement to Johnson. Johnson would v likely boot him out if he feels at risk personally from Sunak.

I'm still not clear what your answer to my question is. I asked about Sunak (what this thread is about) and specifically in relation to the rules of disclosure which you quoted. So are you saying he broke the rules but will get away with it. If that's the case then I would agree he should go"
No im saying he has not broke any rules otherwise there would be calls for his resignation. You may not like the rules just as sks doesnt seem to but they are the rules and it seems strange to me if they are so bad why has no party ever changed them as they were introduced in 1799? Its just another deflection by labour as they have no ideas of their own on how to tackle the crisis.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hell even if he technically broke no rules, it's still a terrible look to be in his role while his mrs dodges so much tax.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Hell even if he technically broke no rules, it's still a terrible look to be in his role while his mrs dodges so much tax."
What do you mean technically?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hell even if he technically broke no rules, it's still a terrible look to be in his role while his mrs dodges so much tax.What do you mean technically?"

I'm sure you can look the word up if you want

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Hell even if he technically broke no rules, it's still a terrible look to be in his role while his mrs dodges so much tax.What do you mean technically?

I'm sure you can look the word up if you want"

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"Just gonna leave this here:

If he failed to register his wife's tax status when becoming a minister then he has not got a leg to stand on. I have not seen it reported that he failed to do this but maybe that's to come

Rules and laws don't seem to matter. After all, Johnson is still PM...

Sorry are you saying he broke the rules but will get away with it?

Rules and laws really don't matter to a Johnson government.

Ironically, what might finish Sunak off is the fact he's been touted as a possible replacement to Johnson. Johnson would v likely boot him out if he feels at risk personally from Sunak.

I'm still not clear what your answer to my question is. I asked about Sunak (what this thread is about) and specifically in relation to the rules of disclosure which you quoted. So are you saying he broke the rules but will get away with it. If that's the case then I would agree he should goNo im saying he has not broke any rules otherwise there would be calls for his resignation. You may not like the rules just as sks doesnt seem to but they are the rules and it seems strange to me if they are so bad why has no party ever changed them as they were introduced in 1799? Its just another deflection by labour as they have no ideas of their own on how to tackle the crisis."

I will just paste what I wrote earlier...

In Mrs Sunak’s case she applied for Non Dom status 13 years ago when they got married. To be a Non Dom you need to show active links to your declared country where you are domiciled.

Apparently she does not own a property in India but does own three homes in UK and a holiday home in USA. Her kids are educated in the UK and she is a donor to the Private school Winchester College. She spends way more than 90 days a year in the UK. It can therefore be argued by HMRC if they chose to investigate (hmmm who is the boss I wonder) that Mrs Sunak is not eligible for declared Non Dom status.

And before anyone shouts “she is an Indian citizen” that is irrelevant in this case.

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Just gonna leave this here:

If he failed to register his wife's tax status when becoming a minister then he has not got a leg to stand on. I have not seen it reported that he failed to do this but maybe that's to come

Rules and laws don't seem to matter. After all, Johnson is still PM...

Sorry are you saying he broke the rules but will get away with it?

Rules and laws really don't matter to a Johnson government.

Ironically, what might finish Sunak off is the fact he's been touted as a possible replacement to Johnson. Johnson would v likely boot him out if he feels at risk personally from Sunak.

Yes Sunak probably broke the rules. But Johnson has form in not giving a shit about that. So on that basis, he'll be allowed to get away with it. (Unless Johnson wants him gone for other reasons.)"

What did he/ probably fail to disclose or try to hide in his disclosures? I can't find any reports that he did not disclose his wife's situation. Not even opposition parties who do not agree with the situation have claimed he did not disclose the facts. Can you clarify

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over a year ago

"Just gonna leave this here:

If he failed to register his wife's tax status when becoming a minister then he has not got a leg to stand on. I have not seen it reported that he failed to do this but maybe that's to come

Rules and laws don't seem to matter. After all, Johnson is still PM...

Sorry are you saying he broke the rules but will get away with it?

Rules and laws really don't matter to a Johnson government.

Ironically, what might finish Sunak off is the fact he's been touted as a possible replacement to Johnson. Johnson would v likely boot him out if he feels at risk personally from Sunak.

Yes Sunak probably broke the rules. But Johnson has form in not giving a shit about that. So on that basis, he'll be allowed to get away with it. (Unless Johnson wants him gone for other reasons.)

On which occasion? If you look into it, you'll see Sunak has been accused of breaking the ministerial code before. That's why I said he probably did on this occasion.

And even if he didn't, his position is far from great. How can the tax guy have a wife who dodges paying taxes?

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Just gonna leave this here:

If he failed to register his wife's tax status when becoming a minister then he has not got a leg to stand on. I have not seen it reported that he failed to do this but maybe that's to come

Rules and laws don't seem to matter. After all, Johnson is still PM...

Sorry are you saying he broke the rules but will get away with it?

Rules and laws really don't matter to a Johnson government.

Ironically, what might finish Sunak off is the fact he's been touted as a possible replacement to Johnson. Johnson would v likely boot him out if he feels at risk personally from Sunak.

Yes Sunak probably broke the rules. But Johnson has form in not giving a shit about that. So on that basis, he'll be allowed to get away with it. (Unless Johnson wants him gone for other reasons.)

On which occasion? If you look into it, you'll see Sunak has been accused of breaking the ministerial code before. That's why I said he probably did on this occasion.

And even if he didn't, his position is far from great. How can the tax guy have a wife who dodges paying taxes?

The question is not about how it looks, well not from me as I agree it does not look good. The question is what did he fail to disclose about his wife's situation when he became a minister? What rules were broken. If he failed to disclose her situation or hide it then he is in big trouble. Equally if he and his wife lied or tried to hide facts when applying for this status then also in big trouble. As I say I cannot see any evidence so far, not even from opposition parties.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just gonna leave this here:

If he failed to register his wife's tax status when becoming a minister then he has not got a leg to stand on. I have not seen it reported that he failed to do this but maybe that's to come

Rules and laws don't seem to matter. After all, Johnson is still PM...

Sorry are you saying he broke the rules but will get away with it?

Rules and laws really don't matter to a Johnson government.

Ironically, what might finish Sunak off is the fact he's been touted as a possible replacement to Johnson. Johnson would v likely boot him out if he feels at risk personally from Sunak.

Yes Sunak probably broke the rules. But Johnson has form in not giving a shit about that. So on that basis, he'll be allowed to get away with it. (Unless Johnson wants him gone for other reasons.)

On which occasion? If you look into it, you'll see Sunak has been accused of breaking the ministerial code before. That's why I said he probably did on this occasion.

And even if he didn't, his position is far from great. How can the tax guy have a wife who dodges paying taxes?

He's not in trouble if he broke the rules or even the law though. Johnson really doesn't seem to care about such things.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All the nitpicking is kind of irrelevant anyway.

A quote about this from an eminent barrister:

But the important point to keep your eye on, however poor you think her conduct is, is the fact that the Chancellor is hopelessly conflicted when it comes to tax policy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who do poor people try and defend rich people who use loop holes to not pay tax

This I have never understood. Same goes for NHS privatisation. Clueless how much the premiums would be or the cost if they had to fund it out of pocket. Maybe it is a higher level of altruism? After all capitalism by definition is based on upward concentration of wealth. That won’t work if the plebs get too much

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who do poor people try and defend rich people who use loop holes to not pay tax

I've often wondered this sort of thing. A part of it is just people being misinformed. But I think it's more than that. I think there's a whisper in the heads of many saying: you might be rich 1 day. When you are, you wanna keep all your money.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who do poor people try and defend rich people who use loop holes to not pay tax

Why are there rules and regulations that allow anyone that meets the criteria to not pay tax?

Try answering the question, why do some poor people think it’s ok for billionaires to pay hardly any tax, is it because they ‘know their place’

Are you implying I'm poor?

Right or wrong, it's perfectly legal.

You are certainly very poor when compared with the Sunaks,

So these rules and laws, written by the rich and for the rich, can also benefit the poor too?

Nope, unless they have the money to pay expensive lawyers . in fact, compared to the Sunaks you are just a lowly peasant , your worth a tiny little fraction of what they are worth

Expensive accountants "

To be fair you don’t really need to be filthy rich to afford that service. And if you spend e.g 10 years working in the middle east and only occasionally return home to UK then whilst technically some of the avoidance mechanisms are the dame that the rich use - but the scale and impact is different as well as well as the basis:

One lives and earns dividends abroad.

The other “works” abroad and happens to pop back.

Now the real question for both parties is what do they contribute to the UK for any benefits that they received?

The root of the rules are to avoid double taxation which would be equally unfair. But it has in many cases made it too east to pay next to nothing. Which is equally unjust.

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over a year ago

…. I suspect there are indeed millions of people in the UK who have the same me,me,me,me mentality.

I’d concur. Modern western world entitlement has made us forget that even those on UC are amongst the global 1%. And the same principle applies all the way up the spectrum.

A fairer and fuller collection of Corporation and Wealth taxes would lighten the burden for all without the need to tax at crippling rates. But the same “Brexit” scare tactics are always trotted out.

Some argue that if they were taxed more then company starters would not take the risks and stifle the economy. I think this is bullshit. Those with drive and ambition won’t let a few extra quid in tax stand in their way. Speaking as a company owner who’d probably have to pay more tax if things were fairer.

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By *ooo wet tight hornyWoman
over a year ago

lancashire

Sunaks wife should pay back all the Furlough money she received via her company's she then closed down. Pink Floyd have great lines in the track 'Money'...

Money is the route of all evil today..

Grab that cash with both hands and make a stash..

I'm alright Jack..keep your hands off my stack..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is there any claim she isn't non dom (funny to say that here in this context!)

What would make her domiciled here?

Funnily enough, MPs are always deemed domiciled in the UK I believe.

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Just gonna leave this here:

If he failed to register his wife's tax status when becoming a minister then he has not got a leg to stand on. I have not seen it reported that he failed to do this but maybe that's to come

Rules and laws don't seem to matter. After all, Johnson is still PM...

Sorry are you saying he broke the rules but will get away with it?

Rules and laws really don't matter to a Johnson government.

Ironically, what might finish Sunak off is the fact he's been touted as a possible replacement to Johnson. Johnson would v likely boot him out if he feels at risk personally from Sunak.

Yes Sunak probably broke the rules. But Johnson has form in not giving a shit about that. So on that basis, he'll be allowed to get away with it. (Unless Johnson wants him gone for other reasons.)

On which occasion? If you look into it, you'll see Sunak has been accused of breaking the ministerial code before. That's why I said he probably did on this occasion.

And even if he didn't, his position is far from great. How can the tax guy have a wife who dodges paying taxes?

He's not in trouble if he broke the rules or even the law though. Johnson really doesn't seem to care about such things."

I understand your position on Johnson and rules but I'm asking did he break the rules? I'm not asking will he be punished in the event he did break the rules. Just a simple did he break the rules in disclosure? If he did what did he fail to disclose /hide?

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Legally it might be just about this side of a fine line… but ethically… you have to have a pretty large brass set to advocating for those who do it!!! Why is it a very fine line? Its not like he tried to hide it in the declaration of financial interests. I think sks might just be a little jealous he hasn't got a hot rich mrs and should concentrate on telling us what he is going to do if he wants to start winning people over."

Not really… remember when jimmy carr got caught up in tax avoidance and got literally roasted by all and sundry.. and A lot of it were tory mps

Remember at the beginning of the pandemic when footballers were getting it in the neck! And were again being told by the same Tory mps they were not contributing enough to the NHS!!

Same with Gary Barlow…. People were out for blood and demanding that his honours be stripped from him!!

These same people seem to have gone quiet now…

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

the irony is that non-doms not paying tax is costing tax payers money. channel 4 doesn't cost tax payers money but the far righties get triggered over it. go figure

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just gonna leave this here:

If he failed to register his wife's tax status when becoming a minister then he has not got a leg to stand on. I have not seen it reported that he failed to do this but maybe that's to come

Rules and laws don't seem to matter. After all, Johnson is still PM...

Sorry are you saying he broke the rules but will get away with it?

Rules and laws really don't matter to a Johnson government.

Ironically, what might finish Sunak off is the fact he's been touted as a possible replacement to Johnson. Johnson would v likely boot him out if he feels at risk personally from Sunak.

Yes Sunak probably broke the rules. But Johnson has form in not giving a shit about that. So on that basis, he'll be allowed to get away with it. (Unless Johnson wants him gone for other reasons.)

On which occasion? If you look into it, you'll see Sunak has been accused of breaking the ministerial code before. That's why I said he probably did on this occasion.

And even if he didn't, his position is far from great. How can the tax guy have a wife who dodges paying taxes?

He's not in trouble if he broke the rules or even the law though. Johnson really doesn't seem to care about such things.

I gave my answer to this above. Like it or don't. I'll repeat the most important factor now, in my opinion:

All the nitpicking is kind of irrelevant anyway.

A quote about this from an eminent barrister:

But the important point to keep your eye on, however poor you think her conduct is, is the fact that the Chancellor is hopelessly conflicted when it comes to tax policy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well at least we know this government will continue to maintain the status quo, whilst British citizens continue to shoulder the burden of high taxes.

This government is not on your side, and never will be.

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By *ackal1 OP Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

"Just as a footnote non doms was introduced in the uk in 1799 and im sure if politicians from any party wanted to change it they would have done by now.

quality deflection there. Keep up the bad work

How is that deflection ? why hasn't any party changed it when in power any idea?"

Opportunity for MPs to mix with wealth and eventually benefit from that relationship. Human greed. MPs don’t earn much with wages. They earn from nepotism in their expenses. They also earn from sharp practice in their expenses and from second incomes along with non executive “consultancy” roles as a thank you for helping the wealthy.

We have a system which ingrains our MPs with an opportunist approach to making money.

It would be more appropriate to pay them well and restrict all other income choices.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's very nice for all those people that gloat about not paying tax. However, we need taxes for certain things. Is there too much tax-yes, is it fair-no, should everyone pay tax-yes, will it change-no, what can we do-maybe give another party a chance, are they all the same- partly, but under the Tories it won't get any better.

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol

Ask ronaldo how much UK tax he pays

Or Lewis hamilton

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By *ackal1 OP Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

It’s alleged over 100 Lords are non domicile.

I do hope we all now know our place in our feudal society.

From the Constitutional reform and governance act 2010 . This was introduced by Cameron as Zac Goldsmith a Non Dom wanted to become an MP . It was quickly pushed through to avoid scrutiny of Lord Ashcroft’s status as the major founder of the Tory party. ( Domicile in Belize). Ashcroft had promised to end his non Dom status. He did not as of 2017 last published.

Quote from the act.

1)Subsection (2) applies if a person is for any part of a tax year—

(a)a member of the House of Commons, or

(b)a member of the House of Lords.

(2)The person is to be treated for the purposes of the taxes listed in subsection (3) as resident F1... and domiciled in the United Kingdom for the whole of that tax year.

(3)The taxes are—

(a)income tax,

(b)capital gains tax, and

(c)inheritance tax.

Looks like the rules for lords are being ignored.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ask ronaldo how much UK tax he pays

Or Lewis hamilton

Lewis Hamilton lives in Monaco

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

it's amazing that so many people demanded change because they didn't like foreigners who paid their taxes, but the foreigners who refuse to pay their taxes are fine. go figure.

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol

"Ask ronaldo how much UK tax he pays

Or Lewis hamilton

Lewis Hamilton lives in Monaco "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just as a footnote non doms was introduced in the uk in 1799 and im sure if politicians from any party wanted to change it they would have done by now.

quality deflection there. Keep up the bad work

How is that deflection ? why hasn't any party changed it when in power any idea?

We have a system which ingrains our MPs with an opportunist approach to making money.

It would be more appropriate to pay them well and restrict all other income choices.

They do get £80k+ and even more if they are special committees or have shadow or real cabinet positions. They have lavish expenses which mean they avoid a lot of personal out of pocket costs. So whilst the basic pay is low, they are pretty well off considering that there’s not a lot of qualification required to get elected.

The whole system is rotten and needs reform. But whilst they enjoy acting like ‘animal farm’ they hardly going to be turkeys voting for xmas!

And with an electorate that js majority thick as pigshit and apathetic the they don’t really have to worry about changing.

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By *eachcplCouple
over a year ago

blackpool/preston/normandy france

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

Wonder how the Sunak/Tory apologists can spin this?

The Fishy Rishi saga continues. Turns out he had a USA Green Card until recently and certainly while he has been a Minister.

“Sky News has been told that Mr Sunak and his wife held US green cards, permitting him residence, until more than a year into his chancellorship - before then giving it up during his period at the Treasury.

Holders of a US green card are required to pay US tax on their worldwide income, and to pledge the US is their forever home.

The US government website says the card is only for people who "make the US your permanent home" - which would be odd for someone holding multiple jobs in government, including local government minister, chief secretary to the Treasury, and chancellor.”

https://news.sky.com/story/rishi-sunak-is-in-his-most-difficult-period-as-chancellor-and-it-could-be-about-to-get-worse-12584829

He should never have been let anywhere near the country's finances regardless. He made millions from investment activities that helped trigger the 2008 financial crisis.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

It might be legal, but given his position it's morally suspect and politically naive for him..

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By *ackal1 OP Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

The claim she pays tax abroad is stating to unravel too as the share in the family concerns are held through offshore business in the likes of Mauritius . Rishi himself worked for an offshore company registered to the Cayman islands..

and to think people vote for these elite rich thinking they have something in common with them .

How many hundreds of billions are slushed away ?

This is precisely where the EU and to sone extent the US were going in a proposed clampdown. Guess which country rejected the move on tax avoidance and guess who backed Brexit?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All this suggests is they have no long term intentions to stay in the UK once his time in politics is up.

I'm my understanding is right, Mrs would have been paying tax on her overseas income. Just to the IRS!

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"It might be legal, but given his position it's morally suspect and politically naive for him..

Sunak and his advisors (you don’t get that rich without advisors) are clever people. It isn’t political naivety, it is downright flagrant disregard for the rules and ministerial code. Just like all the other corrupt chancers in the Cabinet, they hold this country in disdain ad it is all about the grift. And they have grifted very very well.

I just cannot fathom why more people aren’t angry about this. Or why people are so tribalist they cannot come out and condemn the actions of this Government and Ministers!?

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"All this suggests is they have no long term intentions to stay in the UK once his time in politics is up.

I'm my understanding is right, Mrs would have been paying tax on her overseas income. Just to the IRS!"

No “all this suggests” that the person setting tax policy in the UK is not impacted by the tax policy they are setting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It might be legal, but given his position it's morally suspect and politically naive for him..

I just cannot fathom why more people aren’t angry about this. Or why people are so tribalist they cannot come out and condemn the actions of this Government and Ministers!?

"
he's still deemed domicile in the UK right ?

I'm by no means pro Tory, and think there is a lot here that looks suspect. But I haven't worked out if it is moral laws that have been broken or actual breaking of rules.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

@Hovis don’t know if you have read the whole thread but there are a number of concurrent issues coming to light.

The person who is responsible for deciding how much tax all of us pay in the UK has utilised mechanisms to ensure UK tax policy does not apply to him and his spouse.

His wife’s self declared Non Dom status is extremely suspect and highly likely to be unsupportable if the HMRC investigated her. But they won’t because her husband is the boss.

Our Chancellor until very recently (while holding ministerial positions) held a USA Green Card. That comes with all manner of obligations, not least of which is a pledge of allegiance to the USA (but he is a UK Minister). Where do his loyalties lie? Does that influence policy making? Future trade deals? Privatisation of NHS to be gobbled up by USA providers? Etc etc

Notwithstanding his wealth being mostly held offshore so again, not paying tax in the UK while setting tax policy in the UK.

There MAY be some legal loopholes that have no doubt been exploited but FFS this just cannot continue.

How can anyone be ok with this?

Is it simple because he is a Conservative?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"@Hovis don’t know if you have read the whole thread but there are a number of concurrent issues coming to light.

The person who is responsible for deciding how much tax all of us pay in the UK has utilised mechanisms to ensure UK tax policy does not apply to him and his spouse.

His wife’s self declared Non Dom status is extremely suspect and highly likely to be unsupportable if the HMRC investigated her. But they won’t because her husband is the boss.

Notwithstanding his wealth being mostly held offshore so again, not paying tax in the UK while setting tax policy in the UK.

There MAY be some legal loopholes that have no doubt been exploited but FFS this just cannot continue.

How can anyone be ok with this?

Is it simple because he is a Conservative?"
why is her non Dom status suspect ?

There is a definite question on whether all the stuff he does is appropriate given his position. No doubt.

But it is important to be clear if laws have been broken, if ministerial codes have been broken, or if it's a case of tej social contract between MPs and us.

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol

One thing is for sure we will not be seeing prime minister Sunak

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"@Hovis don’t know if you have read the whole thread but there are a number of concurrent issues coming to light.

The person who is responsible for deciding how much tax all of us pay in the UK has utilised mechanisms to ensure UK tax policy does not apply to him and his spouse.

His wife’s self declared Non Dom status is extremely suspect and highly likely to be unsupportable if the HMRC investigated her. But they won’t because her husband is the boss.

Notwithstanding his wealth being mostly held offshore so again, not paying tax in the UK while setting tax policy in the UK.

There MAY be some legal loopholes that have no doubt been exploited but FFS this just cannot continue.

How can anyone be ok with this?

Is it simple because he is a Conservative?"

Rishi Sunak does not run HMRC.

HMRC is a non-ministerial department, and has many layers of governance. You can easily find details of this on Gov UK website.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"@Hovis don’t know if you have read the whole thread but there are a number of concurrent issues coming to light.

The person who is responsible for deciding how much tax all of us pay in the UK has utilised mechanisms to ensure UK tax policy does not apply to him and his spouse.

His wife’s self declared Non Dom status is extremely suspect and highly likely to be unsupportable if the HMRC investigated her. But they won’t because her husband is the boss.

Notwithstanding his wealth being mostly held offshore so again, not paying tax in the UK while setting tax policy in the UK.

There MAY be some legal loopholes that have no doubt been exploited but FFS this just cannot continue.

How can anyone be ok with this?

Is it simple because he is a Conservative?

Rishi Sunak does not run HMRC.

HMRC is a non-ministerial department, and has many layers of governance. You can easily find details of this on Gov UK website. "

If you think for one moment that Perm Sec (currently Jim Harra) does ANYTHING without the permission of the Chancellor (currently Sunak) then you are extremely naive my friend! It’s pure convenience and optics that HMRC is non-ministerial.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"@Hovis don’t know if you have read the whole thread but there are a number of concurrent issues coming to light.

The person who is responsible for deciding how much tax all of us pay in the UK has utilised mechanisms to ensure UK tax policy does not apply to him and his spouse.

His wife’s self declared Non Dom status is extremely suspect and highly likely to be unsupportable if the HMRC investigated her. But they won’t because her husband is the boss.

Notwithstanding his wealth being mostly held offshore so again, not paying tax in the UK while setting tax policy in the UK.

There MAY be some legal loopholes that have no doubt been exploited but FFS this just cannot continue.

How can anyone be ok with this?

Is it simple because he is a Conservative?why is her non Dom status suspect ?

There is a definite question on whether all the stuff he does is appropriate given his position. No doubt.

But it is important to be clear if laws have been broken, if ministerial codes have been broken, or if it's a case of tej social contract between MPs and us. "

Read further up the thread. There are various tests that need to be met. Living predominantly in the UK for 13 years, owning multiple properties in the UK, educating your kids in the UK, and donating money to British educational institutions all indicate being domiciled in the UK - not withstanding her husband being in Govt no.2 role and they clearly co-habitate!

Bloomin obvious!

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

the hyper-wealthy are not fit to hold office on account of being so conflicted with the laws that they foist onto the rest of the people living in this country. this level of avoidance not only costs the taxpayer huge sums to make up the shortfall but also the removal of money from the economy to foreign economies undermines the long hard hours that the silent majority are forced to toil to replace it once it's gone.

when the KLF burnt 1 million pounds sterling in a cottage in scotland, the conservative and unionist party jumped through hoops in attempt to make that sort of thing illegal due to the effect of removing money from the country. that is a monumental irony or ironies.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

Full Rishi Sunak statement reveals he held Green Card for over a year as Chancellor and several years as a government minister - giving it up in 2021.

Oh!

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

So we have discovered his wife has likely saved tens of millions in tax, quite legally, by paying £30,000 a year to use a scheme that let her do so. In other words, she consciously chose not to pay her taxes here. Not s good look for the spouse of an MP let alone the Chancellor!

So that’s his wife but what about Fishi Rishi’s ethics? As his family’s decisions on tax reveal, he prioritises his wealth above the public interest. Faced with a moral choice, what is legal but not ethical is the choice made if there is personal gain to be had. For a politician that is staggering.

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By *vbride1963TV/TS
over a year ago

E.K . Glasgow

His wife has now tried to save him a bit of grief .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

From the bits I know of fatca, you don't tend to pay less tax by being a green card holder. Probably more as they will be paying US tax while in the UK. And some of their holdings will be taxed quite heavily.

Feels to me they plan to permanently bmove to the US. Possibly have always planned to since meeting. But in the meantime he's gone down the policies route.

That's the oddest part of all this. His and his families long term interests are not alligned with ours.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"From the bits I know of fatca, you don't tend to pay less tax by being a green card holder. Probably more as they will be paying US tax while in the UK. And some of their holdings will be taxed quite heavily.

Feels to me they plan to permanently bmove to the US. Possibly have always planned to since meeting. But in the meantime he's gone down the policies route.

That's the oddest part of all this. His and his families long term interests are not alligned with ours. "

Mrs Sunak has now announced she will pay tax in UK on all international earnings. But interestingly will retain Non Dom status claiming India to be her domicile - which is incompatible with holding a Green Card?

And questions now on Fishi Rishi’s tax status while being an MP and Minister while still holding a Green Card - where was he paying tax?

Plus remember that tax rates in USA are lower than UK.

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over a year ago

Feels to me they plan to permanently bmove to the US. Possibly have always planned to since meeting. But in the meantime he's gone down the policies route.

That's the oddest part of all this. His and his families long term interests are not alligned with ours.

And questions now on Fishi Rishi’s tax status while being an MP and Minister while still holding a Green Card - where was he paying tax?

Plus remember that tax rates in USA are lower than UK."
does a green card immediately make you domiciled in the US? Or is it just a case this is the plan?

It does support her being non Dom here.

Some taxes are lower. But you will get hit heavy with some types of assets. They are more protectionalist. Don't invest in non US stuff !!

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By *ackal1 OP Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

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over a year ago

Manchester

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By *ackal1 OP Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

I’m not sure he had a green card but was well into the timeframe to acquire one.

I notice she is still not saying she is a U.K. resident only that she will pay tax. This does not include inheritance tax as that would run into hundreds of millions .

That will remain offshore away from both India and the U.K. .

People still have their homes taken to pay for care and yet the rich can avoid any liability .

Remember we are picking on Rishi but according to the guardian one in ten households in the six most affluent boroughs of London are occupied by non domicile reindents. One in ten not contributing. Care workers and cleaners still pay a large portion of their income on tax where as these elite pay virtually nothing compared to their incomes.

This has to stop . The rich get richer while the poorer pay for everything.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"I’m not sure he had a green card but was well into the timeframe to acquire one.

I notice she is still not saying she is a U.K. resident only that she will pay tax. This does not include inheritance tax as that would run into hundreds of millions .

That will remain offshore away from both India and the U.K. .

People still have their homes taken to pay for care and yet the rich can avoid any liability .

This has to stop . The rich get richer while the poorer pay for everything.

He absolutely did have a green card for 6 years as an MP, 3 years as a Minister and 1.5 years as Chancellor before giving it up.

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By *ayturners turn hayMan
over a year ago

Wellingborugh

So Rishi’s mrs keeps her money away from two tax regimes all while her husband increases tax on the workers of this country saying we need more tax revenue. I kid you not!

Do you seriously think these people give a fuck about you?

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. You forget to mention that she is taxed in full on a remittance basis if any money is sent to the UK. This applies to all people who are non domiciled . I don't think you will see her claiming benefits so I will not worry too much about her foreign income .

She knows what hardship and being short of money is like. When her father company was in its infancy he struggled to buy her clothes for a school play.

She is probably more on touch with real people than those who just want to constantly tax others.

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By *ayturners turn hayMan
over a year ago

Wellingborugh

"It might be legal, but given his position it's morally suspect and politically naive for him..

I just cannot fathom why more people aren’t angry about this. Or why people are so tribalist they cannot come out and condemn the actions of this Government and Ministers!?

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Maybe people are rational enough to accept that there are rigorous criteria to adhere to if you wish to be non domiciled and in any event you have less control over your assets as a result. In addition you are taxed in full on any foreign earnings transferred to the UK on a remittance basis . Would you prefer if these non domiciled people left the UK and we collect even less tax as a result . I think we can be satisfied that Rishi and his wife pay their own way in life. It is of no interest or for that matter anyone else's businness how much tax they pay. They still pay a lot more tax than most people.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

So Rishi’s mrs keeps her money away from two tax regimes all while her husband increases tax on the workers of this country saying we need more tax revenue. I kid you not!

Do you seriously think these people give a fuck about you?

. You forget to mention that she is taxed in full on a remittance basis if any money is sent to the UK. This applies to all people who are non domiciled . I don't think you will see her claiming benefits so I will not worry too much about her foreign income .

She knows what hardship and being short of money is like. When her father company was in its infancy he struggled to buy her clothes for a school play.

She is probably more on touch with real people than those who just want to constantly tax others. "

FFS you do know you can earn money being a bot don’t you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So Rishi’s mrs keeps her money away from two tax regimes all while her husband increases tax on the workers of this country saying we need more tax revenue. I kid you not!

Do you seriously think these people give a fuck about you?

She knows what hardship and being short of money is like. When her father company was in its infancy he struggled to buy her clothes for a school play.

She is probably more on touch with real people than those who just want to constantly tax others. "

Well she's certainly in touch with reality and doing the right thing now.

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By *ooo wet tight hornyWoman
over a year ago

lancashire

So Rishi’s mrs keeps her money away from two tax regimes all while her husband increases tax on the workers of this country saying we need more tax revenue. I kid you not!

Do you seriously think these people give a fuck about you?

She knows what hardship and being short of money is like. When her father company was in its infancy he struggled to buy her clothes for a school play.

She is probably more on touch with real people than those who just want to constantly tax others.

Well she's certainly in touch with reality and doing the right thing now. "

Yes I just heard on the news that she 'IS' now going to be paying UK tax!!

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By *ackal1 OP Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

So Rishi’s mrs keeps her money away from two tax regimes all while her husband increases tax on the workers of this country saying we need more tax revenue. I kid you not!

Do you seriously think these people give a fuck about you?

She knows what hardship and being short of money is like. When her father company was in its infancy he struggled to buy her clothes for a school play.

She is probably more on touch with real people than those who just want to constantly tax others.

Well she's certainly in touch with reality and doing the right thing now.

Yes I just heard on the news that she 'IS' now going to be paying UK tax!!

If nothing wrong then why the change of heart?

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By *ackal1 OP Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

So Rishi’s mrs keeps her money away from two tax regimes all while her husband increases tax on the workers of this country saying we need more tax revenue. I kid you not!

Do you seriously think these people give a fuck about you?

She knows what hardship and being short of money is like. When her father company was in its infancy he struggled to buy her clothes for a school play.

She is probably more on touch with real people than those who just want to constantly tax others. "

I don’t want to just “tax others” I want everyone to pay their fair share that’s it. Not more but not less than a worker who pays through PAYE. They sadly can’t avoid the tax. There are no loopholes available. Not sure why being poor as a child is an excuse to avoid tax?

So if she chooses to transfer her cash to the uk she will pay tax as an income. However is she chooses and it’s her choice remember, to transfer the money to the Cayman Islands or Mauritius where she has her holdings based then she pays no tax. This money can then be used to buy property in London without paying any due tax, (Tony Blair purchased this way recently avoiding £500k tax) She can also pay school fees in London and buy anything she wishes in London .

“Remittance” is a choice not a forced to declare. She is a U.K. resident clearly and taking an income through offshore accounts which do not incur tax liability. The offshore company can buy all the goods and services provided in the U.K. directly without having to transfer any cash to the U.K.

She blatantly runs her business interests from the U.K. so is running a business here through probably a London based, but offshore holding. Good chance it’s the one her husband used to work for.

If you’re an average worker you pay tax. Why because you are rich should you be allowed to not pay tax anywhere? It’s a global problem but the biggest transactions are through London the worlds sewer of tax avoidance.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

So Rishi’s mrs keeps her money away from two tax regimes all while her husband increases tax on the workers of this country saying we need more tax revenue. I kid you not!

Do you seriously think these people give a fuck about you?

I don't know why this law exists.

Is there/was there a legitimate reason for non-domiciled status?

It is legal, so you cannot blame anyone for making use of the regulation.

It is not a good look for the Chancellor when raising taxes on the majority of the population.

There has been a lot of negative press about the Chancellor recently.

Without any direct evidence, I would be inclined to think that this is all coming from Team BoJo who need to deal with an overly popular potential rival...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wonder if there will be a spike in applications for non dom status now that there’s been so much publicity for the benefits of the approach. 30k. Seems a bargain to avoid all other taxes

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By *heislanderMan
over a year ago

cheshunt

"I worked abroad and lived here for 10 years. Paid no UK tax.

I did what was best for me and my money as I'm sure most others would do given the opportunity.

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By *oubleswing2019Man
over a year ago

Colchester

"It is of no interest or for that matter anyone else's business how much tax they pay

If you cannot measure it, you cannot manage it.

And if you ignore the "cracks" that allow some to "slip through", you are complicit in turning a blind eye.

It is absolutely imperative that what people earn and pay tax on is fully transparent and available. Auditable and scrutinised as well.

If you disagree with that, then perhaps tell the HMRC they are no longer needed.

I'd go one step further and adopt the Swedish/Norwegian approach.

Each year Sweden, Finland and Norway publish everyone’s income tax returns. In Sweden anyone can find out anyone’s salary with a quick phone call to the tax authorities. The person whose returns you request will know it was you, but that is all.

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By *ackal1 OP Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

So Rishi’s mrs keeps her money away from two tax regimes all while her husband increases tax on the workers of this country saying we need more tax revenue. I kid you not!

Do you seriously think these people give a fuck about you?

I don't know why this law exists.

Is there/was there a legitimate reason for non-domiciled status?

It is legal, so you cannot blame anyone for making use of the regulation.

It is not a good look for the Chancellor when raising taxes on the majority of the population.

There has been a lot of negative press about the Chancellor recently.

Without any direct evidence, I would be inclined to think that this is all coming from Team BoJo who need to deal with an overly popular potential rival..."

The non domicile status was introduced to keep those who were at the forefront of our colonial expansion free from tax to aid even more conquests and theft.

It was introduced by the rich to keep elite who ran parliament at the time to keep themselves rich. Things don’t change much

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is of no interest or for that matter anyone else's business how much tax they pay

If you cannot measure it, you cannot manage it.

And if you ignore the "cracks" that allow some to "slip through", you are complicit in turning a blind eye.

It is absolutely imperative that what people earn and pay tax on is fully transparent and available. Auditable and scrutinised as well.

If you disagree with that, then perhaps tell the HMRC they are no longer needed.

I'd go one step further and adopt the Swedish/Norwegian approach.

I agree with your principle of transparent (which I consider as transparent assessment without complex and opaque loophole mechanisms) so that each citizen or beneficiary if residing in this country pays the same types and levels of tax - whether earned via capital, investments, labour or assets.

I don’t however agree with full transparency allowing the anyone to search anyone else's details via public methods. I can’t see a benefits in that but can see many downsides.

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

She has only agreed to pay UK tax now because she has been outed.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"She has only agreed to pay UK tax now because she has been outed. "

Exactly. Left with little choice...

She's only doing this now because the Sunaks were found out. She's had years to make this choice. She actively chose non-dom status, paying a £30k 'fee' to HMRC to do so & avoiding millions in UK taxes. She comes out of this, as does her husband, tainted by greed!

She also let her company go bust after receiving £millions in Covid support and therefore does not pay HMRC £630k in tax and instead pay £30k and get non-Dom status and thus avoid paying more tax.

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

And Rishi had a Green Card (saying he saw USA as his primary home) whilst Chancellor of the Exchequer

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

the tax system needs to be completely re-written so it does not favour liars, cheats, the morally bankrupt, the hyper-wealthy, the corrupt, criminals, multi-corporates, multi-nationals and politicians.

the people who are willing to tackle this properly will gain the mandate of the silent majority as they are sick of the continuation of tax abuse.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"the tax system needs to be completely re-written so it does not favour liars, cheats, the morally bankrupt, the hyper-wealthy, the corrupt, criminals, multi-corporates, multi-nationals and politicians.

the people who are willing to tackle this properly will gain the mandate of the silent majority as they are sick of the continuation of tax abuse.

Sadly I don’t think so just based on the Tory flag wavers on this forum who jump to defend even the most morally bankrupt behaviour.

I seriously think most of them honestly believe that they too may one day get rich themselves and be able to game the system. What they fail to realise is that only 0.1% get to fully exploit the loopholes in our 22,000 page tax guidance. The 1% try but it is really mere scraps in comparison. The rest of the population are seriously deluded.

It is quite weird behaviour, virtual Stockholm Syndrome, that so many vote Tory.

Admittedly there was a time when the “aspiring middle classes” were represented by the Tories but those days are long gone. Middle income earners have been trashed by successive Tory Governments.

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By *ayturners turn hayMan
over a year ago

Wellingborugh

"I wonder if there will be a spike in applications for non dom status now that there’s been so much publicity for the benefits of the approach. 30k. Seems a bargain to avoid all other taxes

"
. Why would that be the case ? Even if you are non domiciled you are still taxed on a remittance basis on any money transferred to the UK . You also have less control over your assets . Remove the non dom status and the public might be even worse off . Remove the non dom status and those with the status more to another county . You might even lose the tax that you already collect

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"I wonder if there will be a spike in applications for non dom status now that there’s been so much publicity for the benefits of the approach. 30k. Seems a bargain to avoid all other taxes

. Why would that be the case ? Even if you are non domiciled you are still taxed on a remittance basis on any money transferred to the UK . You also have less control over your assets . Remove the non dom status and the public might be even worse off . Remove the non dom status and those with the status more to another county . You might even lose the tax that you already collect "

Or you know, in the case of Mrs Sunak, she could have stopped pretending to be a Non Dom and just paid all her taxes in the UK, inc inheritance tax, but no, her shareholding in Infosys is offshored to Mauritius denying both India full tax and the UK.

Three homes in UK. Kids in school in UK. Husband in job requiring to live in UK. Running her business operations from the UK. Donating £100k to Winchester College (ie further evidence of investment and commitment to the UK). Non Dom my ass!

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it is probably a duck.

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By *ayturners turn hayMan
over a year ago

Wellingborugh

the people who are willing to tackle this properly will gain the mandate of the silent majority as they are sick of the continuation of tax abuse.

Sadly I don’t think so just based on the Tory flag wavers on this forum who jump to defend even the most morally bankrupt behaviour.

It is quite weird behaviour, virtual Stockholm Syndrome, that so many vote Tory.

Admittedly there was a time when the “aspiring middle classes” were represented by the Tories but those days are long gone. Middle income earners have been trashed by successive Tory Governments."
. Maybe people realise that the amount of taxation paid should be matched to your use of public services provided. The rich probably use public services less than those who pay less tax . Some of their children may be privately educated and they will probably also have private health cover .

Many of the wealthy have probably taken enormous risks to get where they are and even if you have inherited wealth you still have to match it properly or you can lose the lot .

Many members of the public have no time for those who are jealous of success . They recognise that lower paid staff generally work extemelly hard and contribute massively to society . Our refuse service is absolutely essential. A company director does not use the education system ot the NHS 1000 times more than a lot paid worker.

Ironically it is only the white middle class Liberal elite that keep banging on about taxation . Maybe the rest of us like to pay our way in life and have no wish to be subsidised by a small number of people. The politics of envy have little place in society.

May be we need a summary of what everyone puts in and what everyone takes out. That would make the demands for higher tax more meaningful

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

the people who are willing to tackle this properly will gain the mandate of the silent majority as they are sick of the continuation of tax abuse.

Sadly I don’t think so just based on the Tory flag wavers on this forum who jump to defend even the most morally bankrupt behaviour.

It is quite weird behaviour, virtual Stockholm Syndrome, that so many vote Tory.

Admittedly there was a time when the “aspiring middle classes” were represented by the Tories but those days are long gone. Middle income earners have been trashed by successive Tory Governments.. Maybe people realise that the amount of taxation paid should be matched to your use of public services provided. The rich probably use public services less than those who pay less tax . Some of their children may be privately educated and they will probably also have private health cover .

Many of the wealthy have probably taken enormous risks to get where they are and even if you have inherited wealth you still have to match it properly or you can lose the lot .

May be we need a summary of what everyone puts in and what everyone takes out. That would make the demands for higher tax more meaningful "

Why is the Kremlin defending Sunak, is he one of your inside men?

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

the people who are willing to tackle this properly will gain the mandate of the silent majority as they are sick of the continuation of tax abuse.

Sadly I don’t think so just based on the Tory flag wavers on this forum who jump to defend even the most morally bankrupt behaviour.

It is quite weird behaviour, virtual Stockholm Syndrome, that so many vote Tory.

Admittedly there was a time when the “aspiring middle classes” were represented by the Tories but those days are long gone. Middle income earners have been trashed by successive Tory Governments.. Maybe people realise that the amount of taxation paid should be matched to your use of public services provided. The rich probably use public services less than those who pay less tax . Some of their children may be privately educated and they will probably also have private health cover .

Many of the wealthy have probably taken enormous risks to get where they are and even if you have inherited wealth you still have to match it properly or you can lose the lot .

May be we need a summary of what everyone puts in and what everyone takes out. That would make the demands for higher tax more meaningful "

Then again the counter argument is that a decent caring society would seek to help those less fortunate than others. We would want a fairer more equitable society where the strong help the weak, the wealthy help the poor.

The notion that hard work = wealth generation is flawed because there are many people who simply inherit wealth and those who have genuinely worked hard to generate their wealth have almost universally done so with the support and hard work of others, their staff and employees.

How can anyone sitting in their mansion eating the finest food etc be happy or accepting of the UK (supposedly the 6th or 7th richest country in the world) having millions of people now relying in food banks or facing a choice between heating or food? How can someone lack compassion for the ever increasing number of children in the UK who are now classed as being in abject poverty?

Surely paying a but more tax, or avoiding a bit less tax, to create a fairer happier and healthier society is a good thing right?

Your arguments are straight out of the oxymoron labelled Tax Payers Alliance handbook. Tufton St mafia.

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over a year ago

the people who are willing to tackle this properly will gain the mandate of the silent majority as they are sick of the continuation of tax abuse.

Sadly I don’t think so just based on the Tory flag wavers on this forum who jump to defend even the most morally bankrupt behaviour.

It is quite weird behaviour, virtual Stockholm Syndrome, that so many vote Tory.

Admittedly there was a time when the “aspiring middle classes” were represented by the Tories but those days are long gone. Middle income earners have been trashed by successive Tory Governments.. Maybe people realise that the amount of taxation paid should be matched to your use of public services provided. The rich probably use public services less than those who pay less tax . Some of their children may be privately educated and they will probably also have private health cover .

Many of the wealthy have probably taken enormous risks to get where they are and even if you have inherited wealth you still have to match it properly or you can lose the lot .

May be we need a summary of what everyone puts in and what everyone takes out. That would make the demands for higher tax more meaningful "
at what point does ones taxes match ones use of public services?

In my head it's around 40k pa

So it's probably the same group as those "banging on about taxation". They are in the sweet spot of getting a "unfair deal" combined with the size of tax having a more noticeable effect than the super rich.

If my numbers are correct c 90pc of people don't pay the tax that they take out.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"Sadly I don’t think so just based on the Tory flag wavers on this forum who jump to defend even the most morally bankrupt behaviour.

It is quite weird behaviour, virtual Stockholm Syndrome, that so many vote Tory.

ah yes, youre speaking about the highly vocal minority.

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By *ayturners turn hayMan
over a year ago

Wellingborugh

the people who are willing to tackle this properly will gain the mandate of the silent majority as they are sick of the continuation of tax abuse.

Sadly I don’t think so just based on the Tory flag wavers on this forum who jump to defend even the most morally bankrupt behaviour.

It is quite weird behaviour, virtual Stockholm Syndrome, that so many vote Tory.

Admittedly there was a time when the “aspiring middle classes” were represented by the Tories but those days are long gone. Middle income earners have been trashed by successive Tory Governments.. Maybe people realise that the amount of taxation paid should be matched to your use of public services provided. The rich probably use public services less than those who pay less tax . Some of their children may be privately educated and they will probably also have private health cover .

Many of the wealthy have probably taken enormous risks to get where they are and even if you have inherited wealth you still have to match it properly or you can lose the lot .

May be we need a summary of what everyone puts in and what everyone takes out. That would make the demands for higher tax more meaningful

Surely paying a but more tax, or avoiding a bit less tax, to create a fairer happier and healthier society is a good thing right?

Your arguments are straight out of the oxymoron labelled Tax Payers Alliance handbook. Tufton St mafia. "
I think we already have a society where the strong help the weak . This is exactly what people expect . The unemployed get housing benefit if they pay rent and an amount to live on each month. The disabled get PIP. We have in excess of 500,000 mobility vehicles in the UK. How would higher taxation help people who go to food banks. The type of help that they need is how to manage money and how to cook . Without an in depth understanding of the underlying issues additional taxation hardly matters. You cannot simply blame all of societies problems on the tax payer. As things stand the majority of taxation is already paid by a comparatively small section of the population. We need to do an in depth analysis of both the inputs and outputs of the taxation system and try to match them up.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"Ironically it is only the white middle class Liberal elite that keep banging on about taxation."

Hi, thanks for the reply. I see you are speaking about the conservative and unionist party who have been moaning about too much tax again lately.

"The politics of envy have little place in society."

I see you are also speaking about the conservative and unionist party again, who have been moaning that society exists and should be stamped out, owing to their jealousy of people whom they believe to be getting something that they have no need for themselves and wish to prevent others from enjoying the fruits of their labours and the tax thereof that they donate to the society that they have created for themselves. i agree that this kind of politics of jealousy from the very wealthy, very powerful and mostly corrupt elite is both sickening and harmful to the country.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the people who are willing to tackle this properly will gain the mandate of the silent majority as they are sick of the continuation of tax abuse.

Sadly I don’t think so just based on the Tory flag wavers on this forum who jump to defend even the most morally bankrupt behaviour.

It is quite weird behaviour, virtual Stockholm Syndrome, that so many vote Tory.

Admittedly there was a time when the “aspiring middle classes” were represented by the Tories but those days are long gone. Middle income earners have been trashed by successive Tory Governments.. Maybe people realise that the amount of taxation paid should be matched to your use of public services provided. The rich probably use public services less than those who pay less tax . Some of their children may be privately educated and they will probably also have private health cover .

Many of the wealthy have probably taken enormous risks to get where they are and even if you have inherited wealth you still have to match it properly or you can lose the lot .

May be we need a summary of what everyone puts in and what everyone takes out. That would make the demands for higher tax more meaningful

Surely paying a but more tax, or avoiding a bit less tax, to create a fairer happier and healthier society is a good thing right?

Your arguments are straight out of the oxymoron labelled Tax Payers Alliance handbook. Tufton St mafia. I think we already have a society where the strong help the weak . This is exactly what people expect . The unemployed get housing benefit if they pay rent and an amount to live on each month. The disabled get PIP. We have in excess of 500,000 mobility vehicles in the UK. How would higher taxation help people who go to food banks. The type of help that they need is how to manage money and how to cook . Without an in depth understanding of the underlying issues additional taxation hardly matters. You cannot simply blame all of societies problems on the tax payer. As things stand the majority of taxation is already paid by a comparatively small section of the population. We need to do an in depth analysis of both the inputs and outputs of the taxation system and try to match them up. "
how do you provide financial education and other skills to people? I'm assuming these range from teenagers through to pensioners ...

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

the people who are willing to tackle this properly will gain the mandate of the silent majority as they are sick of the continuation of tax abuse.

Sadly I don’t think so just based on the Tory flag wavers on this forum who jump to defend even the most morally bankrupt behaviour.

It is quite weird behaviour, virtual Stockholm Syndrome, that so many vote Tory.

Admittedly there was a time when the “aspiring middle classes” were represented by the Tories but those days are long gone. Middle income earners have been trashed by successive Tory Governments.. Maybe people realise that the amount of taxation paid should be matched to your use of public services provided. The rich probably use public services less than those who pay less tax . Some of their children may be privately educated and they will probably also have private health cover .

Many of the wealthy have probably taken enormous risks to get where they are and even if you have inherited wealth you still have to match it properly or you can lose the lot .

May be we need a summary of what everyone puts in and what everyone takes out. That would make the demands for higher tax more meaningful

Surely paying a but more tax, or avoiding a bit less tax, to create a fairer happier and healthier society is a good thing right?

Yet more soundbites from the Tufton St Mafia.

Oh people should learn to budget (when energy prices rise 54% hmmm that’s easy on minimum wage)

People should learn to cook (and use the energy that just went up 54%)

I take it you saw the statement by the CEO of Iceland (shop) who said that the foodbanks do not want potatoes because people cannot afford the gas/electric to cook them.

BTW the learning/training you speak of...who would provide that? How would it be paid for? Sounds like a public service that needs funding. How do we do that?

Nobody would consider it fair to go back to the bad old days of a super tax (90%) but the UK tax code should be dramatically simplified, thresholds all aligned and loopholes closed. Tax should be progressive but have a few more smaller steps to stop didincentivising pay rises (ie cliff edge).

All international corporations should be required to pay tax on gross profits in the country they are generated with the removal of offshore HQ/holding companies and internal corporate recharging mechanisms such as IP royalties that shift profits to low tax regimes effectively making UK operations loss making.

You won’t agree. You’ll flick through the handbook and find the next excuse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the people who are willing to tackle this properly will gain the mandate of the silent majority as they are sick of the continuation of tax abuse.

Sadly I don’t think so just based on the Tory flag wavers on this forum who jump to defend even the most morally bankrupt behaviour.

It is quite weird behaviour, virtual Stockholm Syndrome, that so many vote Tory.

If it was framed as rich “foreigners” causing schools to close and increasing the tax burden on “hard working british families” and UK bisiness then it might just work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the “aspirational middle class” and the red wall converts are going to have to suffer a bit more before they ditch the blue flag and support some change for a fairer tax burden.

Whilst many are feeling pain, they’ll need to feel a LOT more before they re-evaluate their principles and ideology. Pride and tribal ideology is hard to shift and necessity may be a a more powerful change agent than logical arguments. Tories will be too greedy to realise when they’ll have pushed things too far so once the tipping point is reached they critical mass will be hard to counter with headline grabbing budget bribe.

People need to vote though.

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By *ayturners turn hayMan
over a year ago

Wellingborugh

the people who are willing to tackle this properly will gain the mandate of the silent majority as they are sick of the continuation of tax abuse.

Sadly I don’t think so just based on the Tory flag wavers on this forum who jump to defend even the most morally bankrupt behaviour.

It is quite weird behaviour, virtual Stockholm Syndrome, that so many vote Tory.

Admittedly there was a time when the “aspiring middle classes” were represented by the Tories but those days are long gone. Middle income earners have been trashed by successive Tory Governments."
. Maybe most people are realistic enough to realise that they will never be rich and prefer family life , leisure time and their health and strength. They are simply not obsessed with taxing other people out of spite and jealousy. They prefer to pay their way in life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the people who are willing to tackle this properly will gain the mandate of the silent majority as they are sick of the continuation of tax abuse.

Sadly I don’t think so just based on the Tory flag wavers on this forum who jump to defend even the most morally bankrupt behaviour.

It is quite weird behaviour, virtual Stockholm Syndrome, that so many vote Tory.

Admittedly there was a time when the “aspiring middle classes” were represented by the Tories but those days are long gone. Middle income earners have been trashed by successive Tory Governments.. Maybe most people are realistic enough to realise that they will never be rich and prefer family life , leisure time and their health and strength. They are simply not obsessed with taxing other people out of spite and jealousy. They prefer to pay their way in life. "

Having a fair system is not the same as taxing people out of spite.

There are umpteen loopholes and inconsistencies in the tax system which both contribute to a shortfall in public finances and majority who pay taxes having to pay more than they would otherwise?

We’re not talking super taxes and taxing everyone to death. We’re talking about ensure that many who earn millions and companies who earn billions from

Gaming the system so they pay very little tax and certainly nothing at all like the proportion of tax that the average joe pays.

It is not about spite. It is about fairness, enabling social cohesion and mobility and generally improving the country as a whole.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"Who do poor people try and defend rich people who use loop holes to not pay tax

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ya just couldn’t make this shit up ffs rishy should be sacked

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the people who are willing to tackle this properly will gain the mandate of the silent majority as they are sick of the continuation of tax abuse.

Sadly I don’t think so just based on the Tory flag wavers on this forum who jump to defend even the most morally bankrupt behaviour.

It is quite weird behaviour, virtual Stockholm Syndrome, that so many vote Tory.

Admittedly there was a time when the “aspiring middle classes” were represented by the Tories but those days are long gone. Middle income earners have been trashed by successive Tory Governments.. Maybe most people are realistic enough to realise that they will never be rich and prefer family life , leisure time and their health and strength. They are simply not obsessed with taxing other people out of spite and jealousy. They prefer to pay their way in life. "
do most people pay their way in life?

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"Maybe most people are realistic enough to realise that they will never be rich and prefer family life , leisure time and their health and strength. They are simply not obsessed with taxing other people out of spite and jealousy. They prefer to pay their way in life. "

Hi and thanks for the reply. I myself along with the silent majority who pay their way in life prefer to listen to star political analysts such as Noam Chomsky for realistic analysis of politics. The silent majority disagree with the vocal minority who keep shouting about how everyone else in life should pay for the things that they want. the silent majority prefer to pay their taxes in order to have the best education, health and social care etc etc along with inexpensive energy, water and fuel costs so that they can go about the business of making money to provide for their families. unluckily we have a government who wish thwart those efforts and take peoples wages off them so they can remove them to off-shore bank accounts due to being jealous of the things that the silent majority have collectively achieved.

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Just gonna leave this here:

If he failed to register his wife's tax status when becoming a minister then he has not got a leg to stand on. I have not seen it reported that he failed to do this but maybe that's to come

Rules and laws don't seem to matter. After all, Johnson is still PM...

Sorry are you saying he broke the rules but will get away with it?

Rules and laws really don't matter to a Johnson government.

Ironically, what might finish Sunak off is the fact he's been touted as a possible replacement to Johnson. Johnson would v likely boot him out if he feels at risk personally from Sunak.

Yes Sunak probably broke the rules. But Johnson has form in not giving a shit about that. So on that basis, he'll be allowed to get away with it. (Unless Johnson wants him gone for other reasons.)

On which occasion? If you look into it, you'll see Sunak has been accused of breaking the ministerial code before. That's why I said he probably did on this occasion.

And even if he didn't, his position is far from great. How can the tax guy have a wife who dodges paying taxes?

He's not in trouble if he broke the rules or even the law though. Johnson really doesn't seem to care about such things.

I gave my answer to this above. Like it or don't. I'll repeat the most important factor now, in my opinion:

All the nitpicking is kind of irrelevant anyway.

A quote about this from an eminent barrister:

But the important point to keep your eye on, however poor you think her conduct is, is the fact that the Chancellor is hopelessly conflicted when it comes to tax policy."

That's been revealing. I asked the same question (simply because you did not want to answer and tried to deflect onto possible punishment). You managed to go from broke the rules to probably broke the rules to oh well the fact he obeyed the rules is just nitpicking and irrelevant.

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