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By *ackal1 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

I really hope we can keep this about honest governance and not Boris is a tosser and Corbyn is a despot.

I read with dismay that our ministers are using WhatsApp to discuss government policy and plans. . For archive purposes they must “promise” not to delete anything important. I kid you not.

Is it just me or should all internal and external government calls text emails etc be recorded and only be used through secure recorded government systems.

In these days of hacking and alleged corruption surely this is just asking for trouble? Is this a dum down too far?

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

All Govt business should be fully secure and fully auditable.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.


"All Govt business should be fully secure and fully auditable. "

I would imagine that the level of encryption and security on some stuff social media is far better.

Also it's pretty much free to use so more money for the government to waste on HS2

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton


"All Govt business should be fully secure and fully auditable.

I would imagine that the level of encryption and security on some stuff social media is far better.

Also it's pretty much free to use so more money for the government to waste on HS2 "

Think you work in IT right? May have mixed you up with another forumite. Surely the point is that the information being shared via Whatsapp is ultimately sitting on servers (and passing through servers) that are not controlled by the UK Govt. Where are the Whatsapp server farms?

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.


"All Govt business should be fully secure and fully auditable.

I would imagine that the level of encryption and security on some stuff social media is far better.

Also it's pretty much free to use so more money for the government to waste on HS2

Think you work in IT right? May have mixed you up with another forumite. Surely the point is that the information being shared via Whatsapp is ultimately sitting on servers (and passing through servers) that are not controlled by the UK Govt. Where are the Whatsapp server farms?"

Not me I'm just a shit for brains carpenter.

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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago

Longridge

Carpentry is a very skilled trade and without, we'd not be living in nice houses.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton


"All Govt business should be fully secure and fully auditable.

I would imagine that the level of encryption and security on some stuff social media is far better.

Also it's pretty much free to use so more money for the government to waste on HS2

Think you work in IT right? May have mixed you up with another forumite. Surely the point is that the information being shared via Whatsapp is ultimately sitting on servers (and passing through servers) that are not controlled by the UK Govt. Where are the Whatsapp server farms?

Not me I'm just a shit for brains carpenter."

Always gonna need carpenters! Not so sure about many other jobs!

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By *ackal1 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

Isn’t the point there’s no records kept and I agree maybe WhatsApp is better encrypted. Surely though recording what’s happening is critical . This is government by whisper and handshake .

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton


"Isn’t the point there’s no records kept and I agree maybe WhatsApp is better encrypted. Surely though recording what’s happening is critical . This is government by whisper and handshake . "

Exactly my point on being auditable!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"All Govt business should be fully secure and fully auditable. "

This. The slow creep of WhatsApp onto government and even corporate is just sheer laziness.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London


"All Govt business should be fully secure and fully auditable.

This. The slow creep of WhatsApp onto government and even corporate is just sheer laziness. "

It's not laziness. It's done with deliberate intent to bypass scrutiny and to not have records of communications.

I agree with the OP, but how can it be enforced? Government should not preclude an individual from having a private life.

Perhaps private contacts have to be audited even if actually messaging is not. Then there is at least a record of who there are private communications with.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Isn’t the point there’s no records kept and I agree maybe WhatsApp is better encrypted. Surely though recording what’s happening is critical . This is government by whisper and handshake . "

The issue will be the storage and transit of the data, the governance and controls applied to audit and proper record keeping, and the general slack attitude to working that using such tools introduce.

As a tool itself it is probably no less secure than Teams or email. It is more to do about the controls and record keeping and fact there's no restriction on the device the data can be accessed from.

The obsession of the government and news with social media needs to stop.

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

To put a fair balance on things.

I would say MP's of all parties use WhatsApp and doing so discuss local issues as well as cross party issues.

You can't just say its wrong for the government to use it if they are all at it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To put a fair balance on things.

I would say MP's of all parties use WhatsApp and doing so discuss local issues as well as cross party issues.

You can't just say its wrong for the government to use it if they are all at it."

Agreed up to a point. But the issue is not really about MP communication. It is about Government communication. That has an order of implication much higher than the shadow government discussing a few ideas that they can’t actually do anything about as they’re, well nothing power.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton


"To put a fair balance on things.

I would say MP's of all parties use WhatsApp and doing so discuss local issues as well as cross party issues.

You can't just say its wrong for the government to use it if they are all at it."

I don’t think this requires a “fair balance” as only one party are in Government undertaking official Govt business. Not remotely the same or as sensitive.

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By *uddy laneMan
over a year ago

dudley

The amount of government department phones wiped clean to hide compromising data is astounding.

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By *ackal1 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

The fact a government minister can delete communications affecting millions of peoples lives then this should not be allowed.

A previous minister under investigation lost his mobile amazingly. Case closed.

Dominic Raab refused to answer publicly what day he went on holiday in relation to the Afghanistan collapse. As there were no records it wasn’t declared. Turns out he left for his holiday after Afghanistan stated to go bad never mind coming home late.

Matt Hancock’s handing out of PPE deals after private chats .

There’s a theme.

This is how Putin started and how the incumbent president in Hungary has started. First you hide the truth from view.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

All government communication of voice and data follows strict protocols based on the sensitivity of the information, Failure to follow those protocols is the end of the road, except if you are Matt Hancock having a fling on a stairwell, or Boris Johnson having a lockdown tipple.

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By *uddy laneMan
over a year ago

dudley


"All government communication of voice and data follows strict protocols based on the sensitivity of the information, Failure to follow those protocols is the end of the road, except if you are Matt Hancock having a fling on a stairwell, or Boris Johnson having a lockdown tipple.

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The headlines of mr Hancocks infidelity were a blessing in disguise for him, being forced to resign his position and for him not to be held accountable for the crocked dealings.

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