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"Johnson has compared the Ukrainian people's current quest for freedom to the UK voting for Brexit. Well I have heard it all now! I don't remember that on the side of a bus!" Zelensky stands as a brother in arms and faces his challengers head on. Johnson hid in fridge because he didn’t want to be questioned by Piers Morgan. I see the analogy. | |||
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"Sadly there are Tories out there who lap this embarrassing shit up. Anything to praise the glory of Brexit. " Can’t wait until someone tries to defend this analogy. It’ll take some spinning! | |||
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"Johnson has compared the Ukrainian people's current quest for freedom to the UK voting for Brexit. Well I have heard it all now! I don't remember that on the side of a bus!" . There is a very simply answer to that question . The events to which you refer did not exist in 2016 and you cannot expect people to have a crystal ball. The president of Ukraine has on numerous occasions expressed his gratitude to Boris Johnson for the support supplied by the UK. | |||
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"Johnson has compared the Ukrainian people's current quest for freedom to the UK voting for Brexit. Well I have heard it all now! I don't remember that on the side of a bus!. There is a very simply answer to that question . The events to which you refer did not exist in 2016 and you cannot expect people to have a crystal ball. The president of Ukraine has on numerous occasions expressed his gratitude to Boris Johnson for the support supplied by the UK. " Well you cannot call the person who is in charge of our government who is getting arms supplied to Ukraine a dickhead would you now? | |||
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"Is he talking about the Ukraine that is trying to join the EU? " That dimension would have been a complexity too far for Boris. Have some compassion! | |||
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"Johnson has compared the Ukrainian people's current quest for freedom to the UK voting for Brexit. Well I have heard it all now! I don't remember that on the side of a bus!. There is a very simply answer to that question . The events to which you refer did not exist in 2016 and you cannot expect people to have a crystal ball. The president of Ukraine has on numerous occasions expressed his gratitude to Boris Johnson for the support supplied by the UK. " There's missing the point. Then there's this. I do enjoy the posts from our own Russian bot. | |||
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"Just when you think the cockwomble can’t get any lower or dumber. He manages it. The gift that keeps on giving. " “Cockwomble” that always gives me a chuckle. Perfectly sums up Boris too. On the surface a loveable cuddly buffoon but underneath completely inept and self serving. | |||
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" There is a very simply answer to that question . The events to which you refer did not exist in 2016 " hi. yes they did exist. the war in the ukranian territories which russia invaded in 2014 had being going on for two years at that point and continued right up to the point that russian started to advance further into ukraine. boris johnski was taking millions in cash from the russians while this was happening. hope this helps.  | |||
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" There is a very simply answer to that question . The events to which you refer did not exist in 2016 hi. yes they did exist. the war in the ukranian territories which russia invaded in 2014 had being going on for two years at that point and continued right up to the point that russian started to advance further into ukraine. boris johnski was taking millions in cash from the russians while this was happening. hope this helps. "Indeed. Questions, though. Why is it not ok for me to think Tories are c*nts - especially the ones who think Boris is fit to lead the country? Or is it just not ok for me to say it out loud? Btw, I am not prejudiced against Tories. Prejudice is when there's no good reason for your hatred and contempt for something. The Tories have been providing me with good reason for decades. | |||
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"Boris us not fit to lead this country. On the night Ukraine was being invaded he was at a Tory fundraiser with yet another allegedly corrupt “Russian” Tory donor along with Gove and unbelievably our defence minister Ben Wallace. Money over morals every time. This lot have to go. Isn’t it time Tories with sone sense of decency stepped forward? " To do what? Scrap a winning formula with the people of England? I say England only because it's not a winning formula in any other part of the UK. Sadly, due to FPTP, that's all it has to be. | |||
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"Firstly, I am no great fan of Boris or his conservative pals. I did, however listen to his entire speech yesterday. He pointed out that Ukrainian people are fighting for their freedom. He pointed out that as a country we value our freedom and that (rightly or wrongly...that's another debate) we voted for freedom from the influence of the EU. He did NOT directly conflate the two things. What did happen is that the Boris bashing press and news channels deliberately misinterpreted things with the sole intention of having another pop at him. I'm happy to have a go at him for other things....to be fair he should have hone some time ago...but this is not a valid argument!" "Freedom from EU influence" we were part of the EU, so we had influence over ourselves. We had a say. Now we still have EU influence over many things, for example standards on anything we want to import to the EU, only now we no longer have a seat at the table. Let's be honest, Boris is just trying to push his own agenda and is using the situation in Ukraine. | |||
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"Johnson knew exactly what he was saying and the reaction it would cause. He wants to build on the leave vote hatred of the EU to kick start his 2 year bid for re-election and he wants to pave the way for Truss' speech rallying supporters to invoke Article 16 given that the EU has not agreed to scrap the NI protocol. Brexit will not go away and Johnson intends to keep it up there to split the country when, he could have so easily used his speech to try and bring the country together citing the nationwide support for Ukraine rather than comparing the EU to Russia and the UK (Brexit) fight for freedom to get away from it's evil clutches. Is Johnson still in the pocket of Putin? " It looks like you failed to read his speech correctly. What he actually said was " I know that it's the instinct of this country , like the people of Ukraine , to choose freedom every time . When the British people voted for Brexit , in such large , large numbers , I don't believe it was because they were remotely hostile to foreigners . Its because they wanted to be free to do things differently and for this country to be able to run its self " His actual statement is very different to the manner in which you presented it . Out of respect for the people of NI article 16 should be invoked. The majority are still British and have no wish to be treated any differently to the rest of the UK. Their loyalty should be awarded. | |||
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"Boris us not fit to lead this country. On the night Ukraine was being invaded he was at a Tory fundraiser with yet another allegedly corrupt “Russian” Tory donor along with Gove and unbelievably our defence minister Ben Wallace. Money over morals every time. This lot have to go. Isn’t it time Tories with sone sense of decency stepped forward? " . You failed to mention that he only attended the meeting for 20 minutes and then left after advising attendees that he had to deal with the war. He is simply a very capable man who can plan his time and address both issues. Twenty minutes hardly makes any difference to subsequent events. | |||
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"Johnson knew exactly what he was saying and the reaction it would cause. He wants to build on the leave vote hatred of the EU to kick start his 2 year bid for re-election and he wants to pave the way for Truss' speech rallying supporters to invoke Article 16 given that the EU has not agreed to scrap the NI protocol. Brexit will not go away and Johnson intends to keep it up there to split the country when, he could have so easily used his speech to try and bring the country together citing the nationwide support for Ukraine rather than comparing the EU to Russia and the UK (Brexit) fight for freedom to get away from it's evil clutches. Is Johnson still in the pocket of Putin? It looks like you failed to read his speech correctly. What he actually said was " I know that it's the instinct of this country , like the people of Ukraine , to choose freedom every time . When the British people voted for Brexit , in such large , large numbers , I don't believe it was because they were remotely hostile to foreigners . Its because they wanted to be free to do things differently and for this country to be able to run its self " His actual statement is very different to the manner in which you presented it . Out of respect for the people of NI article 16 should be invoked. The majority are still British and have no wish to be treated any differently to the rest of the UK. Their loyalty should be awarded. " Out of respect for the people of Northern Ireland and the Good Friday agreement maybe Boris should have accepted that customs Union was a good thing to keep. Seeing at the new deals are mostLy carry over or worse it would have done away with the need for any of this and not affected our global trade. He pandered to his right wing supporters rather than making the best financial decision. | |||
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"Boris us not fit to lead this country. On the night Ukraine was being invaded he was at a Tory fundraiser with yet another allegedly corrupt “Russian” Tory donor along with Gove and unbelievably our defence minister Ben Wallace. Money over morals every time. This lot have to go. Isn’t it time Tories with sone sense of decency stepped forward? . You failed to mention that he only attended the meeting for 20 minutes and then left after advising attendees that he had to deal with the war. He is simply a very capable man who can plan his time and address both issues. Twenty minutes hardly makes any difference to subsequent events. " So it’s ok for the PM and two senior ministers to take a min hour out of their time on the night a country is being invaded to have a few drinks and a back slapping chat Are you actually defending that decision? I suppose his comment on Brexit is like the Ukraine’s peoples fight for their lives is multi tasking too! Talk about blind loyalty. As for you “He’s a very capable man” comment that has to be the funniest post on here in years. Are you a Tory mp?  | |||
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"It looks like you failed to read his speech correctly. What he actually said was " I know that it's the instinct of this country , like the people of Ukraine , to choose freedom every time . When the British people voted for Brexit , in such large , large numbers , I don't believe it was because they were remotely hostile to foreigners . Its because they wanted to be free to do things differently and for this country to be able to run its self " His actual statement is very different to the manner in which you presented it . Out of respect for the people of NI article 16 should be invoked. The majority are still British and have no wish to be treated any differently to the rest of the UK. Their loyalty should be awarded. " This | |||
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"Johnson knew exactly what he was saying and the reaction it would cause. He wants to build on the leave vote hatred of the EU to kick start his 2 year bid for re-election and he wants to pave the way for Truss' speech rallying supporters to invoke Article 16 given that the EU has not agreed to scrap the NI protocol. Brexit will not go away and Johnson intends to keep it up there to split the country when, he could have so easily used his speech to try and bring the country together citing the nationwide support for Ukraine rather than comparing the EU to Russia and the UK (Brexit) fight for freedom to get away from it's evil clutches. Is Johnson still in the pocket of Putin? It looks like you failed to read his speech correctly " Not just me but the majority of the UK press, most likely the majority of the UK population, most of the EU and likely Biden as well.... Just look at the outcry rather than trying to defend him! | |||
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"Brexit was voted for by the electorate. Fact. You can moan all you want, but it’s the will of the people." Never been one for having a moab don’t see the point 
At the time 52% of those who voted wanted Brexit. Annoyingly 28% of the electorate didn’t bother to vote. There is s school of thought that says people only bother to vote if they feel passionately about something but won’t vote if they are satisfied with the status quo.
By that rationale a huge majority wanted to remain or didn’t really care.
All current opinion polls show a huge swing away from leave with only c.18% still thinking it is a good idea.
But hey, you seem happy to die in that ditch! | |||
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"Brexit was voted for by the electorate. Fact. You can moan all you want, but it’s the will of the people." Hmm really the will of the people? 18 m people who are eligible are not on the electoral register ( various reasons including poverty, ignorance, cultural ) 12.9m did not vote or we’re not allowed to vote. Didn’t feel the need for change. 16m voted remain 17m voted leave. You do the maths. | |||
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"Boris us not fit to lead this country. On the night Ukraine was being invaded he was at a Tory fundraiser with yet another allegedly corrupt “Russian” Tory donor along with Gove and unbelievably our defence minister Ben Wallace. Money over morals every time. This lot have to go. Isn’t it time Tories with sone sense of decency stepped forward? . You failed to mention that he only attended the meeting for 20 minutes and then left after advising attendees that he had to deal with the war. He is simply a very capable man who can plan his time and address both issues. Twenty minutes hardly makes any difference to subsequent events. " “He is simply a very capable man” oh man this has to be a parody account surely? Nobody can surely think that? | |||
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"If people are too lazy to vote….." On that we agree. Voting should be mandatory even if people then choose to “spoil their ballot paper” or write “none of the above”. | |||
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"Brexit was voted for by the electorate. Fact. You can moan all you want, but it’s the will of the people. Hmm really the will of the people? 18 m people who are eligible are not on the electoral register ( various reasons including poverty, ignorance, cultural ) 12.9m did not vote or we’re not allowed to vote. Didn’t feel the need for change. 16m voted remain 17m voted leave. You do the maths. " doesn't matter about those that didn't vote what counts is those that voted. which means leave won. you don't approve should have been better at getting people to vote so let's see what happens at next election. | |||
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"Brexit was voted for by the electorate. Fact. You can moan all you want, but it’s the will of the people." Shame that it: A. Wasn't a free and fair election due to the illegal funding of both leave campaigns. B. A massive bag of shit for British people. | |||
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"Brexit was voted for by the electorate. Fact. You can moan all you want, but it’s the will of the people. Hmm really the will of the people? 18 m people who are eligible are not on the electoral register ( various reasons including poverty, ignorance, cultural ) 12.9m did not vote or we’re not allowed to vote. Didn’t feel the need for change. 16m voted remain 17m voted leave. You do the maths. doesn't matter about those that didn't vote what counts is those that voted. which means leave won. you don't approve should have been better at getting people to vote so let's see what happens at next election." Next election, Tories will win. They have the backing of the vast majority of the media and the vast £££ backing from the corporations they represent while in government. People vote as directed, and vote against their own interests over and over again. | |||
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"Boris us not fit to lead this country. On the night Ukraine was being invaded he was at a Tory fundraiser with yet another allegedly corrupt “Russian” Tory donor along with Gove and unbelievably our defence minister Ben Wallace. Money over morals every time. This lot have to go. Isn’t it time Tories with sone sense of decency stepped forward? . You failed to mention that he only attended the meeting for 20 minutes and then left after advising attendees that he had to deal with the war. He is simply a very capable man who can plan his time and address both issues. Twenty minutes hardly makes any difference to subsequent events. " Does this bot log in from Russia or is it located in the UK to deliver these messages? | |||
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"Brexit was voted for by the electorate. Fact. You can moan all you want, but it’s the will of the people. Hmm really the will of the people? 18 m people who are eligible are not on the electoral register ( various reasons including poverty, ignorance, cultural ) 12.9m did not vote or we’re not allowed to vote. Didn’t feel the need for change. 16m voted remain 17m voted leave. You do the maths. doesn't matter about those that didn't vote what counts is those that voted. which means leave won. you don't approve should have been better at getting people to vote so let's see what happens at next election." What did Leave “win” exactly? Can you provide a list if tangible/real benefits that have actually been delivered that we had no way of achieving when we were in the EU? Leave voters were played, very successfully by a combo of Putin funded propaganda snd disaster capitalists looking to get even richer. They are the only actual winners in all this. Pretty much everything the Remain side warned about has come true but was labelled Project Fear. Even what seemed genuinely laughable at the time Cameron et al said it, ie potential war in Europe. | |||
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"Brexit was voted for by the electorate. Fact. You can moan all you want, but it’s the will of the people. Hmm really the will of the people? 18 m people who are eligible are not on the electoral register ( various reasons including poverty, ignorance, cultural ) 12.9m did not vote or we’re not allowed to vote. Didn’t feel the need for change. 16m voted remain 17m voted leave. You do the maths. doesn't matter about those that didn't vote what counts is those that voted. which means leave won. you don't approve should have been better at getting people to vote so let's see what happens at next election. What did Leave “win” exactly? Can you provide a list if tangible/real benefits that have actually been delivered that we had no way of achieving when we were in the EU? Leave voters were played, very successfully by a combo of Putin funded propaganda snd disaster capitalists looking to get even richer. They are the only actual winners in all this. Pretty much everything the Remain side warned about has come true but was labelled Project Fear. Even what seemed genuinely laughable at the time Cameron et al said it, ie potential war in Europe." A lot of cash came in on the leave side from the US as well. Big pharma and the US food produce sector wanted us out of the EU so we can reduce our standards and allow them to buy into the UK market. | |||
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"Brexit was voted for by the electorate. Fact. You can moan all you want, but it’s the will of the people. Hmm really the will of the people? 18 m people who are eligible are not on the electoral register ( various reasons including poverty, ignorance, cultural ) 12.9m did not vote or we’re not allowed to vote. Didn’t feel the need for change. 16m voted remain 17m voted leave. You do the maths. doesn't matter about those that didn't vote what counts is those that voted. which means leave won. you don't approve should have been better at getting people to vote so let's see what happens at next election. What did Leave “win” exactly? Can you provide a list if tangible/real benefits that have actually been delivered that we had no way of achieving when we were in the EU? Leave voters were played, very successfully by a combo of Putin funded propaganda snd disaster capitalists looking to get even richer. They are the only actual winners in all this. Pretty much everything the Remain side warned about has come true but was labelled Project Fear. Even what seemed genuinely laughable at the time Cameron et al said it, ie potential war in Europe." they won the right to leave everything else is immaterial to the vote. | |||
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"Brexit was voted for by the electorate. Fact. You can moan all you want, but it’s the will of the people. Hmm really the will of the people? 18 m people who are eligible are not on the electoral register ( various reasons including poverty, ignorance, cultural ) 12.9m did not vote or we’re not allowed to vote. Didn’t feel the need for change. 16m voted remain 17m voted leave. You do the maths. doesn't matter about those that didn't vote what counts is those that voted. which means leave won. you don't approve should have been better at getting people to vote so let's see what happens at next election. What did Leave “win” exactly? Can you provide a list if tangible/real benefits that have actually been delivered that we had no way of achieving when we were in the EU? Leave voters were played, very successfully by a combo of Putin funded propaganda snd disaster capitalists looking to get even richer. They are the only actual winners in all this. Pretty much everything the Remain side warned about has come true but was labelled Project Fear. Even what seemed genuinely laughable at the time Cameron et al said it, ie potential war in Europe.they won the right to leave everything else is immaterial to the vote." Lol. So it really doesn't matter how damaging brexit is. As long as people were convinced to vote for it via illegally funded campaigns, you're happy?  | |||
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"…. “He is simply a very capable man” oh man this has to be a parody account surely? Nobody can surely think that?" It is well known that he is highly intelligent. Capable however is arguable. He’s certainly capable of opportunistically aligning with whatever furthers his own ambitions, whether ideologically or personally. Those’s who’ve comment on his actual words (referenced in the context of this thread) are correct - what he said and how it is being blasted are not quite aligned. There’s a nuance there. An intelligent person would expect others to detect that nuance with much thought - as no doubt (giving him the benefit of the doubt) - however a person both intelligent and capable would have chosen wiser words. Arnie manages it whenever he makes a speech and references parallels in history. However you have to reap what you sow. He spouted about 350m on a bus and said later it was an example, so how can he expect people to not react to the face value of what he said with scepticism. This is what differentiates intelligent and capable people. Point is he could have pointed out that the UK have a tradition of backing freedom without pushing his own agenda and mentioning Brexit. What new freedoms do we have btw? So far am at a loss to find anything tangible. | |||
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"Brexit was voted for by the electorate. Fact. You can moan all you want, but it’s the will of the people. Hmm really the will of the people? 18 m people who are eligible are not on the electoral register ( various reasons including poverty, ignorance, cultural ) 12.9m did not vote or we’re not allowed to vote. Didn’t feel the need for change. 16m voted remain 17m voted leave. You do the maths. doesn't matter about those that didn't vote what counts is those that voted. which means leave won. you don't approve should have been better at getting people to vote so let's see what happens at next election. What did Leave “win” exactly? Can you provide a list if tangible/real benefits that have actually been delivered that we had no way of achieving when we were in the EU? Leave voters were played, very successfully by a combo of Putin funded propaganda snd disaster capitalists looking to get even richer. They are the only actual winners in all this. Pretty much everything the Remain side warned about has come true but was labelled Project Fear. Even what seemed genuinely laughable at the time Cameron et al said it, ie potential war in Europe.they won the right to leave everything else is immaterial to the vote. Lol. So it really doesn't matter how damaging brexit is. As long as people were convinced to vote for it via illegally funded campaigns, you're happy? "No, the real happiness comes from the false belief that because the “majority” voted for that neither the means of obtaining the vote nor the consequence thereof are relevant. It is being on the “winning” side and the fact that it is the will of the people that matters. You could actually make the same argument for re-unifying Ukraine with Russia. The means do not matter, and if you believe the Kremlin it is the will of the people. This would be a batter parallel than that drawn by Boris! | |||
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"…. “He is simply a very capable man” oh man this has to be a parody account surely? Nobody can surely think that? It is well known that he is highly intelligent. Capable however is arguable. He’s certainly capable of opportunistically aligning with whatever furthers his own ambitions, whether ideologically or personally. Those’s who’ve comment on his actual words (referenced in the context of this thread) are correct - what he said and how it is being blasted are not quite aligned. There’s a nuance there. An intelligent person would expect others to detect that nuance with much thought - as no doubt (giving him the benefit of the doubt) - however a person both intelligent and capable would have chosen wiser words. Arnie manages it whenever he makes a speech and references parallels in history. However you have to reap what you sow. He spouted about 350m on a bus and said later it was an example, so how can he expect people to not react to the face value of what he said with scepticism. This is what differentiates intelligent and capable people. Point is he could have pointed out that the UK have a tradition of backing freedom without pushing his own agenda and mentioning Brexit. What new freedoms do we have btw? So far am at a loss to find anything tangible. " The ministry for silly walks led by Mogg is also struggling to find any benifits and it is now 6 years since they told us how much better off we would be if we left the EU. Some people may even thing that the British public has been duped! | |||
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"If people are too lazy to vote….." Or perhaps they are excluded through the points I mentioned. Do you read anything outside of the Daily Express? You really need to expand your sources of information. | |||
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"Brexit was voted for by the electorate. Fact. You can moan all you want, but it’s the will of the people. Hmm really the will of the people? 18 m people who are eligible are not on the electoral register ( various reasons including poverty, ignorance, cultural ) 12.9m did not vote or we’re not allowed to vote. Didn’t feel the need for change. 16m voted remain 17m voted leave. You do the maths. doesn't matter about those that didn't vote what counts is those that voted. which means leave won. you don't approve should have been better at getting people to vote so let's see what happens at next election. What did Leave “win” exactly? Can you provide a list if tangible/real benefits that have actually been delivered that we had no way of achieving when we were in the EU? Leave voters were played, very successfully by a combo of Putin funded propaganda snd disaster capitalists looking to get even richer. They are the only actual winners in all this. Pretty much everything the Remain side warned about has come true but was labelled Project Fear. Even what seemed genuinely laughable at the time Cameron et al said it, ie potential war in Europe.they won the right to leave everything else is immaterial to the vote. Lol. So it really doesn't matter how damaging brexit is. As long as people were convinced to vote for it via illegally funded campaigns, you're happy? That's democracy you vote they follow the vote " | |||
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"Brexit was voted for by the electorate. Fact. You can moan all you want, but it’s the will of the people. Hmm really the will of the people? 18 m people who are eligible are not on the electoral register ( various reasons including poverty, ignorance, cultural ) 12.9m did not vote or we’re not allowed to vote. Didn’t feel the need for change. 16m voted remain 17m voted leave. You do the maths. doesn't matter about those that didn't vote what counts is those that voted. which means leave won. you don't approve should have been better at getting people to vote so let's see what happens at next election. What did Leave “win” exactly? Can you provide a list if tangible/real benefits that have actually been delivered that we had no way of achieving when we were in the EU? Leave voters were played, very successfully by a combo of Putin funded propaganda snd disaster capitalists looking to get even richer. They are the only actual winners in all this. Pretty much everything the Remain side warned about has come true but was labelled Project Fear. Even what seemed genuinely laughable at the time Cameron et al said it, ie potential war in Europe.they won the right to leave everything else is immaterial to the vote. Lol. So it really doesn't matter how damaging brexit is. As long as people were convinced to vote for it via illegally funded campaigns, you're happy? what damage as it done.for some it doesn't matter do I think it could have been handled better yes would I still vote to leave yes others maybe not bas said let's see at next election " | |||
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"Brexit was voted for by the electorate. Fact. You can moan all you want, but it’s the will of the people. Never been one for having a moab don’t see the point
At the time 52% of those who voted wanted Brexit. Annoyingly 28% of the electorate didn’t bother to vote. There is s school of thought that says people only bother to vote if they feel passionately about something but won’t vote if they are satisfied with the status quo.
By that rationale a huge majority wanted to remain or didn’t really care.
All current opinion polls show a huge swing away from leave with only c.18% still thinking it is a good idea.
But hey, you seem happy to die in that ditch!"By this logic at the next election anyone that does not vote is in fact voting for the status quo i.e. the Tories. | |||
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"Sadly there are Tories out there who lap this embarrassing shit up. Anything to praise the glory of Brexit. Can’t wait until someone tries to defend this analogy. It’ll take some spinning! " Not defending but widening the view a little. Boris lied, his party lapped it up but without the labour north Brexit would have been buried. In essence the labour supporters lapped it up too! The North turned blue and gave Boris the golden ticket. | |||
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"Boris us not fit to lead this country. On the night Ukraine was being invaded he was at a Tory fundraiser with yet another allegedly corrupt “Russian” Tory donor along with Gove and unbelievably our defence minister Ben Wallace. Money over morals every time. This lot have to go. Isn’t it time Tories with sone sense of decency stepped forward? . You failed to mention that he only attended the meeting for 20 minutes and then left after advising attendees that he had to deal with the war. He is simply a very capable man who can plan his time and address both issues. Twenty minutes hardly makes any difference to subsequent events. So it’s ok for the PM and two senior ministers to take a min hour out of their time on the night a country is being invaded to have a few drinks and a back slapping chat Are you actually defending that decision? I suppose his comment on Brexit is like the Ukraine’s peoples fight for their lives is multi tasking too! Talk about blind loyalty. As for you “He’s a very capable man” comment that has to be the funniest post on here in years. Are you a Tory mp? ". Any leader has to be able to multi task and plan carefully use of their time . Maybe he is not insecure as some people and is happy delegate tasks to other cabinet ministers. Addressing a meeting hardly makes any difference to the war. | |||
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"Brexit was voted for by the electorate. Fact. You can moan all you want, but it’s the will of the people. Hmm really the will of the people? 18 m people who are eligible are not on the electoral register ( various reasons including poverty, ignorance, cultural ) 12.9m did not vote or we’re not allowed to vote. Didn’t feel the need for change. 16m voted remain 17m voted leave. You do the maths. doesn't matter about those that didn't vote what counts is those that voted. which means leave won. you don't approve should have been better at getting people to vote so let's see what happens at next election. What did Leave “win” exactly? Can you provide a list if tangible/real benefits that have actually been delivered that we had no way of achieving when we were in the EU? Leave voters were played, very successfully by a combo of Putin funded propaganda snd disaster capitalists looking to get even richer. They are the only actual winners in all this. Pretty much everything the Remain side warned about has come true but was labelled Project Fear. Even what seemed genuinely laughable at the time Cameron et al said it, ie potential war in Europe." ..Maybe people just made a rational decision. They simply voted to continue trading with Europe but on slightly different terms. It is no different to a company renegotiating their terms of businness with a supplier. I cannot see many lorry drivers complaining about Brexit. Their pay has substantially increased . Nome of the predictions of remain actually materialised and prior to the energy crisis the stock market was close to an all time high. Due the efforts of those supporting remain to block or delay the exit process we were left in limbo. The long term benefits such as less red tape andlegislation will pay long term dividends. Removing freedom of movement will also result in long term benefits. | |||
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"Boris us not fit to lead this country. On the night Ukraine was being invaded he was at a Tory fundraiser with yet another allegedly corrupt “Russian” Tory donor along with Gove and unbelievably our defence minister Ben Wallace. Money over morals every time. This lot have to go. Isn’t it time Tories with sone sense of decency stepped forward? . You failed to mention that he only attended the meeting for 20 minutes and then left after advising attendees that he had to deal with the war. He is simply a very capable man who can plan his time and address both issues. Twenty minutes hardly makes any difference to subsequent events. So it’s ok for the PM and two senior ministers to take a min hour out of their time on the night a country is being invaded to have a few drinks and a back slapping chat Are you actually defending that decision? I suppose his comment on Brexit is like the Ukraine’s peoples fight for their lives is multi tasking too! Talk about blind loyalty. As for you “He’s a very capable man” comment that has to be the funniest post on here in years. Are you a Tory mp? . Any leader has to be able to multi task and plan carefully use of their time . Maybe he is not insecure as some people and is happy delegate tasks to other cabinet ministers. Addressing a meeting hardly makes any difference to the war. "I agree leaders have to delegate . In Boris’ case he’s incompetent and needs others to hold him up. There is a huge difference. | |||
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"Brexit was voted for by the electorate. Fact. You can moan all you want, but it’s the will of the people. Hmm really the will of the people? 18 m people who are eligible are not on the electoral register ( various reasons including poverty, ignorance, cultural ) 12.9m did not vote or we’re not allowed to vote. Didn’t feel the need for change. 16m voted remain 17m voted leave. You do the maths. doesn't matter about those that didn't vote what counts is those that voted. which means leave won. you don't approve should have been better at getting people to vote so let's see what happens at next election. What did Leave “win” exactly? Can you provide a list if tangible/real benefits that have actually been delivered that we had no way of achieving when we were in the EU? Leave voters were played, very successfully by a combo of Putin funded propaganda snd disaster capitalists looking to get even richer. They are the only actual winners in all this. Pretty much everything the Remain side warned about has come true but was labelled Project Fear. Even what seemed genuinely laughable at the time Cameron et al said it, ie potential war in Europe.they won the right to leave everything else is immaterial to the vote." I rest my case | |||
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"Brexit was voted for by the electorate. Fact. You can moan all you want, but it’s the will of the people. Hmm really the will of the people? 18 m people who are eligible are not on the electoral register ( various reasons including poverty, ignorance, cultural ) 12.9m did not vote or we’re not allowed to vote. Didn’t feel the need for change. 16m voted remain 17m voted leave. You do the maths. doesn't matter about those that didn't vote what counts is those that voted. which means leave won. you don't approve should have been better at getting people to vote so let's see what happens at next election. What did Leave “win” exactly? Can you provide a list if tangible/real benefits that have actually been delivered that we had no way of achieving when we were in the EU? Leave voters were played, very successfully by a combo of Putin funded propaganda snd disaster capitalists looking to get even richer. They are the only actual winners in all this. Pretty much everything the Remain side warned about has come true but was labelled Project Fear. Even what seemed genuinely laughable at the time Cameron et al said it, ie potential war in Europe.they won the right to leave everything else is immaterial to the vote. Lol. So it really doesn't matter how damaging brexit is. As long as people were convinced to vote for it via illegally funded campaigns, you're happy? what damage as it done.for some it doesn't matter do I think it could have been handled better yes would I still vote to leave yes others maybe not bas said let's see at next election "You need to reply outside the quote marks otherwise nobody knows what you have said! | |||
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"Brexit was voted for by the electorate. Fact. You can moan all you want, but it’s the will of the people. Never been one for having a moab don’t see the point
At the time 52% of those who voted wanted Brexit. Annoyingly 28% of the electorate didn’t bother to vote. There is s school of thought that says people only bother to vote if they feel passionately about something but won’t vote if they are satisfied with the status quo.
By that rationale a huge majority wanted to remain or didn’t really care.
All current opinion polls show a huge swing away from leave with only c.18% still thinking it is a good idea.
But hey, you seem happy to die in that ditch!
By this logic at the next election anyone that does not vote is in fact voting for the status quo i.e. the Tories. "Probably yes. The FPTP system AND the boundary changes the Tories want to make AND the change they are pushing through to requiring photo ID to vote (disenfranchising poorer people who strangely are less likely to vote Tory) will endure a Tory win unless people stop being apathetic. However, it seems like a significant chunk of the UK (mostly England) population are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. Bizarre really! | |||
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"Brexit was voted for by the electorate. Fact. You can moan all you want, but it’s the will of the people. Hmm really the will of the people? 18 m people who are eligible are not on the electoral register ( various reasons including poverty, ignorance, cultural ) 12.9m did not vote or we’re not allowed to vote. Didn’t feel the need for change. 16m voted remain 17m voted leave. You do the maths. doesn't matter about those that didn't vote what counts is those that voted. which means leave won. you don't approve should have been better at getting people to vote so let's see what happens at next election. What did Leave “win” exactly? Can you provide a list if tangible/real benefits that have actually been delivered that we had no way of achieving when we were in the EU? Leave voters were played, very successfully by a combo of Putin funded propaganda snd disaster capitalists looking to get even richer. They are the only actual winners in all this. Pretty much everything the Remain side warned about has come true but was labelled Project Fear. Even what seemed genuinely laughable at the time Cameron et al said it, ie potential war in Europe...Maybe people just made a rational decision. They simply voted to continue trading with Europe but on slightly different terms. It is no different to a company renegotiating their terms of businness with a supplier. I cannot see many lorry drivers complaining about Brexit. Their pay has substantially increased . Nome of the predictions of remain actually materialised and prior to the energy crisis the stock market was close to an all time high. Due the efforts of those supporting remain to block or delay the exit process we were left in limbo. The long term benefits such as less red tape andlegislation will pay long term dividends. Removing freedom of movement will also result in long term benefits. " Slightly different terms?? £40-50B in extra costs is slightly different? You’re having a laugh. I agree sone truck drivers will be happy but those paying the extra employment costs need to pass those costs to the customer and consumer who won’t be as happy. General increases are good. Dramatic reactive increases are bad all around. All businesses avoid those scenarios for a good reason. The red tape paperwork is guaranteed to increase as we now have additional regulations and procedures so you are simply wrong there. On Brexit administration alone the increased internal costs are at least £15B to U.K. exporters according to HMRC and that’s before they add the direct cost of customs and transport increases. Removing freedom of movement is bad in the long term . As shown with truck drivers, we now no longer benefit from shared resource. Not to mention the restrictions on young adults interacting with other countries which is proven to help development in both individuals and a countries economy. To claim we didn’t have Armageddon as sone extreme views claimed as a benefit and positive is just deluded. The guy was shot in the head but he didn’t die so that’s good then., erm you do know being shot in the head isn’t great don’t you!! | |||
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"Brexit was voted for by the electorate. Fact. You can moan all you want, but it’s the will of the people. Hmm really the will of the people? 18 m people who are eligible are not on the electoral register ( various reasons including poverty, ignorance, cultural ) 12.9m did not vote or we’re not allowed to vote. Didn’t feel the need for change. 16m voted remain 17m voted leave. You do the maths. doesn't matter about those that didn't vote what counts is those that voted. which means leave won. you don't approve should have been better at getting people to vote so let's see what happens at next election. What did Leave “win” exactly? Can you provide a list if tangible/real benefits that have actually been delivered that we had no way of achieving when we were in the EU? Leave voters were played, very successfully by a combo of Putin funded propaganda snd disaster capitalists looking to get even richer. They are the only actual winners in all this. Pretty much everything the Remain side warned about has come true but was labelled Project Fear. Even what seemed genuinely laughable at the time Cameron et al said it, ie potential war in Europe...Maybe people just made a rational decision. They simply voted to continue trading with Europe but on slightly different terms. It is no different to a company renegotiating their terms of businness with a supplier. I cannot see many lorry drivers complaining about Brexit. Their pay has substantially increased . Nome of the predictions of remain actually materialised and prior to the energy crisis the stock market was close to an all time high. Due the efforts of those supporting remain to block or delay the exit process we were left in limbo. The long term benefits such as less red tape andlegislation will pay long term dividends. Removing freedom of movement will also result in long term benefits. " Nonsense but of course you still need to believe. All, let me just say that again, ALL economic forecasts including those by the OBR show that Brexit has caused huge economic damage but short term and will do long term. The whole “we still trade with EU” is a bait and switch argument. Of course we still trade, nobody said otherwise, but that trade is no longer on the same terms and comes with significantly more administrative burden. The Johnson Govt were relying on a trade deal with the USA to plug the financial gap caused by a changed trading relationship with the EU. It won’t happen for many years and when/if it does it will favour the USA not the UK. Say goodbye to standards and regulations and hello to poorer quality food produce for starters. | |||
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"Brexit was voted for by the electorate. Fact. You can moan all you want, but it’s the will of the people. Hmm really the will of the people? 18 m people who are eligible are not on the electoral register ( various reasons including poverty, ignorance, cultural ) 12.9m did not vote or we’re not allowed to vote. Didn’t feel the need for change. 16m voted remain 17m voted leave. You do the maths. doesn't matter about those that didn't vote what counts is those that voted. which means leave won. you don't approve should have been better at getting people to vote so let's see what happens at next election. What did Leave “win” exactly? Can you provide a list if tangible/real benefits that have actually been delivered that we had no way of achieving when we were in the EU? Leave voters were played, very successfully by a combo of Putin funded propaganda snd disaster capitalists looking to get even richer. They are the only actual winners in all this. Pretty much everything the Remain side warned about has come true but was labelled Project Fear. Even what seemed genuinely laughable at the time Cameron et al said it, ie potential war in Europe...Maybe people just made a rational decision. They simply voted to continue trading with Europe but on slightly different terms. It is no different to a company renegotiating their terms of businness with a supplier. I cannot see many lorry drivers complaining about Brexit. Their pay has substantially increased . Nome of the predictions of remain actually materialised and prior to the energy crisis the stock market was close to an all time high. Due the efforts of those supporting remain to block or delay the exit process we were left in limbo. The long term benefits such as less red tape andlegislation will pay long term dividends. Removing freedom of movement will also result in long term benefits. Nonsense but of course you still need to believe. All, let me just say that again, ALL economic forecasts including those by the OBR show that Brexit has caused huge economic damage but short term and will do long term. The whole “we still trade with EU” is a bait and switch argument. Of course we still trade, nobody said otherwise, but that trade is no longer on the same terms and comes with significantly more administrative burden. The Johnson Govt were relying on a trade deal with the USA to plug the financial gap caused by a changed trading relationship with the EU. It won’t happen for many years and when/if it does it will favour the USA not the UK. Say goodbye to standards and regulations and hello to poorer quality food produce for starters. " . Forecasts are entirely different to actual results . You appear to refer to forecasts . You can manipulate the inputs to a forecast or the assumptions made to obtain any result that you like . Filling in a few more forms is hardly going to cause any organised businnes a problem. .What actually matters are reported results , not forecasts. | |||
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"Brexit was voted for by the electorate. Fact. You can moan all you want, but it’s the will of the people. Hmm really the will of the people? 18 m people who are eligible are not on the electoral register ( various reasons including poverty, ignorance, cultural ) 12.9m did not vote or we’re not allowed to vote. Didn’t feel the need for change. 16m voted remain 17m voted leave. You do the maths. doesn't matter about those that didn't vote what counts is those that voted. which means leave won. you don't approve should have been better at getting people to vote so let's see what happens at next election. What did Leave “win” exactly? Can you provide a list if tangible/real benefits that have actually been delivered that we had no way of achieving when we were in the EU? Leave voters were played, very successfully by a combo of Putin funded propaganda snd disaster capitalists looking to get even richer. They are the only actual winners in all this. Pretty much everything the Remain side warned about has come true but was labelled Project Fear. Even what seemed genuinely laughable at the time Cameron et al said it, ie potential war in Europe...Maybe people just made a rational decision. They simply voted to continue trading with Europe but on slightly different terms. It is no different to a company renegotiating their terms of businness with a supplier. I cannot see many lorry drivers complaining about Brexit. Their pay has substantially increased . Nome of the predictions of remain actually materialised and prior to the energy crisis the stock market was close to an all time high. Due the efforts of those supporting remain to block or delay the exit process we were left in limbo. The long term benefits such as less red tape andlegislation will pay long term dividends. Removing freedom of movement will also result in long term benefits. Nonsense but of course you still need to believe. All, let me just say that again, ALL economic forecasts including those by the OBR show that Brexit has caused huge economic damage but short term and will do long term. The whole “we still trade with EU” is a bait and switch argument. Of course we still trade, nobody said otherwise, but that trade is no longer on the same terms and comes with significantly more administrative burden. The Johnson Govt were relying on a trade deal with the USA to plug the financial gap caused by a changed trading relationship with the EU. It won’t happen for many years and when/if it does it will favour the USA not the UK. Say goodbye to standards and regulations and hello to poorer quality food produce for starters. . Forecasts are entirely different to actual results . You appear to refer to forecasts . You can manipulate the inputs to a forecast or the assumptions made to obtain any result that you like . Filling in a few more forms is hardly going to cause any organised businnes a problem. .What actually matters are reported results , not forecasts. " Lol, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you've invented a character to troll people who think brexit is a good idea. That's better than actually believing this kind of fairytale fiction. | |||
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"Brexit was voted for by the electorate. Fact. You can moan all you want, but it’s the will of the people. Hmm really the will of the people? 18 m people who are eligible are not on the electoral register ( various reasons including poverty, ignorance, cultural ) 12.9m did not vote or we’re not allowed to vote. Didn’t feel the need for change. 16m voted remain 17m voted leave. You do the maths. doesn't matter about those that didn't vote what counts is those that voted. which means leave won. you don't approve should have been better at getting people to vote so let's see what happens at next election. What did Leave “win” exactly? Can you provide a list if tangible/real benefits that have actually been delivered that we had no way of achieving when we were in the EU? Leave voters were played, very successfully by a combo of Putin funded propaganda snd disaster capitalists looking to get even richer. They are the only actual winners in all this. Pretty much everything the Remain side warned about has come true but was labelled Project Fear. Even what seemed genuinely laughable at the time Cameron et al said it, ie potential war in Europe.they won the right to leave everything else is immaterial to the vote. Lol. So it really doesn't matter how damaging brexit is. As long as people were convinced to vote for it via illegally funded campaigns, you're happy? what damage as it done.for some it doesn't matter do I think it could have been handled better yes would I still vote to leave yes others maybe not bas said let's see at next election "Why do you keep hiding your replies within the quote. You're not alone. Upto 18% of people still think brexit is a good idea. I know surveys are always flawed. But even if it's only half of that. Millions of people still have absolutely no connection to reality. | |||
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Right or wrong Brexit is done now so why constantly blame everything on Brexit?
The only way people can change this is vote for a different government next time.
Campaign for a new vote then hope that they give the country the chance to vote again.
But I doubt that will ever happen.
Personally I am in neither camp as I don't think anything they are doing is representative of the common people.
It's just rich people looking after rich people.
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"Some people believe in a democratic society as long as you vote for what they think is right,if not then your an uneducated moron who knows nothing.
Right or wrong Brexit is done now so why constantly blame everything on Brexit?
The only way people can change this is vote for a different government next time.
Campaign for a new vote then hope that they give the country the chance to vote again.
But I doubt that will ever happen.
Personally I am in neither camp as I don't think anything they are doing is representative of the common people.
It's just rich people looking after rich people.
Red or blue they are all the same."We're not "constantly blaming brexit" we're pointing out how shit it is, how we knew it would be shit and how people ignored "expert" economists who told them it would be shit, political "experts" who said there would be no benefits, and that there would be a fuck load of negatives. I suppose the vain hope is that people learn to understand what they're voting for, before they vote. Although, in general, I agree that the parliamentary politics we have now, only serves big corporations, the political elite and the ultra wealthy. The main aim is to maintain and consolidate power. Which is why they wanted brexit so hard that they illegally funded the leave campaigns. | |||
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IF it wasn’t for Brexit we wouldn’t of been free to help Ukraine fight this war.. EU have been more worried about themselves..
Labour would of been useless during this time..
Support Ukraine..
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"Ffs iF any of you listened to Boris speech. (Rather than believing the media) you’ll see it was in context.. With Brexit nation voted for our freedoms and to make our own laws. Ukraine are fighting for their freedoms.. Fab seems to be full of left wing supporters anyway.
IF it wasn’t for Brexit we wouldn’t of been free to help Ukraine fight this war.. EU have been more worried about themselves..
Labour would of been useless during this time..
Support Ukraine..
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"The Brexshit koolaid drinkers are still strong in this thread. I guess we all just need to believe a bit harder and longer still right? Please tell the fishermen and farm workers that would you. Amongst others. Stroke of luck for Boris and pals that the pandemic masked the impact of Brexit. Now they can blame war in Ukraine. Wonder what they will do after that?" Back the old faithful "it's the immigrants fault". | |||
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"The Brexshit koolaid drinkers are still strong in this thread. I guess we all just need to believe a bit harder and longer still right? Please tell the fishermen and farm workers that would you. Amongst others. Stroke of luck for Boris and pals that the pandemic masked the impact of Brexit. Now they can blame war in Ukraine. Wonder what they will do after that? Back the old faithful "it's the immigrants fault"." Except the irony will be that there will be increasing numbers of brown and black people as the UK tries to secure trade deals with places like India and they insist on relaxed visa status. Some will be longing for the good old days of Polish plumbers & builders. | |||
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"Brexit was voted for by the electorate. Fact. You can moan all you want, but it’s the will of the people. Hmm really the will of the people? 18 m people who are eligible are not on the electoral register ( various reasons including poverty, ignorance, cultural ) 12.9m did not vote or we’re not allowed to vote. Didn’t feel the need for change. 16m voted remain 17m voted leave. You do the maths. doesn't matter about those that didn't vote what counts is those that voted. which means leave won. you don't approve should have been better at getting people to vote so let's see what happens at next election. What did Leave “win” exactly? Can you provide a list if tangible/real benefits that have actually been delivered that we had no way of achieving when we were in the EU? Leave voters were played, very successfully by a combo of Putin funded propaganda snd disaster capitalists looking to get even richer. They are the only actual winners in all this. Pretty much everything the Remain side warned about has come true but was labelled Project Fear. Even what seemed genuinely laughable at the time Cameron et al said it, ie potential war in Europe.they won the right to leave everything else is immaterial to the vote. Lol. So it really doesn't matter how damaging brexit is. As long as people were convinced to vote for it via illegally funded campaigns, you're happy? what damage as it done.for some it doesn't matter do I think it could have been handled better yes would I still vote to leave yes others maybe not bas said let's see at next election
Why do you keep hiding your replies within the quote.
You're not alone. Upto 18% of people still think brexit is a good idea. I know surveys are always flawed. But even if it's only half of that. Millions of people still have absolutely no connection to reality."if it's me im not hiding anything I just reply as for connection to reality im fully aware of it but are you what has changed for you im still happy leaving things are cosy so why would it bother me I didn't vote to help others I voted for me said it before still happy . | |||
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"It's not a democratic vote if it was influenced by external parties. Polls showed the UK was in favour of remaining in the EU only up until shortly before the vote. What happened before the vote? Mass social engineering by Cambridge Analytical, targeted ads on Facebook, and pro Brexit bots on Twitter and Facebook. I've yet to see any 'wins' from Brexit. The UK is the laughing stock of the world and the Government has been compromised by Russia. Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson is clutching straws, and frankly it's an insult to Ukraine to compare an invasion on their land to Brexit. The invasion is a result of their desire to be closer to the EU and NATO. " | |||
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"Johnson has compared the Ukrainian people's current quest for freedom to the UK voting for Brexit. Well I have heard it all now! I don't remember that on the side of a bus!" With a first name such as "Boris", I suspect that I might know which superpower our current PM of Great Britain is on the side of. Nuff said. Next question...... | |||
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"Brexit was voted for by the electorate. Fact. You can moan all you want, but it’s the will of the people. Hmm really the will of the people? 18 m people who are eligible are not on the electoral register ( various reasons including poverty, ignorance, cultural ) 12.9m did not vote or we’re not allowed to vote. Didn’t feel the need for change. 16m voted remain 17m voted leave. You do the maths. doesn't matter about those that didn't vote what counts is those that voted. which means leave won. you don't approve should have been better at getting people to vote so let's see what happens at next election. What did Leave “win” exactly? Can you provide a list if tangible/real benefits that have actually been delivered that we had no way of achieving when we were in the EU? Leave voters were played, very successfully by a combo of Putin funded propaganda snd disaster capitalists looking to get even richer. They are the only actual winners in all this. Pretty much everything the Remain side warned about has come true but was labelled Project Fear. Even what seemed genuinely laughable at the time Cameron et al said it, ie potential war in Europe.they won the right to leave everything else is immaterial to the vote. Lol. So it really doesn't matter how damaging brexit is. As long as people were convinced to vote for it via illegally funded campaigns, you're happy? what damage as it done.for some it doesn't matter do I think it could have been handled better yes would I still vote to leave yes others maybe not bas said let's see at next election
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You're not alone. Upto 18% of people still think brexit is a good idea. I know surveys are always flawed. But even if it's only half of that. Millions of people still have absolutely no connection to reality.if it's me im not hiding anything I just reply as for connection to reality im fully aware of it but are you what has changed for you im still happy leaving things are cosy so why would it bother me I didn't vote to help others I voted for me said it before still happy ."Fair enough. I assume you're aware of the catastrophic damage to the economy, and the increased red tape and costs for British businesses, putting some of them under? What's changed for me is the company I work for is struggling, and are laying people off. The cost of living has gone up. I live in a country with much less public money available to spend on all the things our tax is supposed to be spent on. Depending on how trade deals go, we have the potential for a lot more problems, I'm sure you're well aware. So if all this is fine for you for, and you don't care about the impact, especially on young people. At least you're honest about it. You're part of the upto 18% of people who still think it's a good idea, but instead of not understanding about the impact, you just don't care? | |||
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"Brexit was voted for by the electorate. Fact. You can moan all you want, but it’s the will of the people. Hmm really the will of the people? 18 m people who are eligible are not on the electoral register ( various reasons including poverty, ignorance, cultural ) 12.9m did not vote or we’re not allowed to vote. Didn’t feel the need for change. 16m voted remain 17m voted leave. You do the maths. doesn't matter about those that didn't vote what counts is those that voted. which means leave won. you don't approve should have been better at getting people to vote so let's see what happens at next election. What did Leave “win” exactly? Can you provide a list if tangible/real benefits that have actually been delivered that we had no way of achieving when we were in the EU? Leave voters were played, very successfully by a combo of Putin funded propaganda snd disaster capitalists looking to get even richer. They are the only actual winners in all this. Pretty much everything the Remain side warned about has come true but was labelled Project Fear. Even what seemed genuinely laughable at the time Cameron et al said it, ie potential war in Europe.they won the right to leave everything else is immaterial to the vote. Lol. So it really doesn't matter how damaging brexit is. As long as people were convinced to vote for it via illegally funded campaigns, you're happy? what damage as it done.for some it doesn't matter do I think it could have been handled better yes would I still vote to leave yes others maybe not bas said let's see at next election
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You're not alone. Upto 18% of people still think brexit is a good idea. I know surveys are always flawed. But even if it's only half of that. Millions of people still have absolutely no connection to reality.if it's me im not hiding anything I just reply as for connection to reality im fully aware of it but are you what has changed for you im still happy leaving things are cosy so why would it bother me I didn't vote to help others I voted for me said it before still happy .
Fair enough. I assume you're aware of the catastrophic damage to the economy, and the increased red tape and costs for British businesses, putting some of them under?
What's changed for me is the company I work for is struggling, and are laying people off. The cost of living has gone up. I live in a country with much less public money available to spend on all the things our tax is supposed to be spent on. Depending on how trade deals go, we have the potential for a lot more problems, I'm sure you're well aware.
So if all this is fine for you for, and you don't care about the impact, especially on young people. At least you're honest about it.
You're part of the upto 18% of people who still think it's a good idea, but instead of not understanding about the impact, you just don't care?"im fully aware that some companies are struggling maybe there are the ones that kept wages low because of immigration now they either fold or pay better wages.cost of living going up all over the world so not a Brexit thing my company made 740 million last year got a great pay rise as for young adults I have 3 22 23 26 never had it so good youngest finally got a job after uni middle one never had as much money that's his words eldest funnily enough took a pay drop for a new job he's wanted since leaving uni 3 yrs ago astra zen bought first house so thing are rosy | |||
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"Brexit was voted for by the electorate. Fact. You can moan all you want, but it’s the will of the people. Never been one for having a moab don’t see the point
At the time 52% of those who voted wanted Brexit. Annoyingly 28% of the electorate didn’t bother to vote. There is s school of thought that says people only bother to vote if they feel passionately about something but won’t vote if they are satisfied with the status quo.
By that rationale a huge majority wanted to remain or didn’t really care.
All current opinion polls show a huge swing away from leave with only c.18% still thinking it is a good idea.
But hey, you seem happy to die in that ditch!
By this logic at the next election anyone that does not vote is in fact voting for the status quo i.e. the Tories.
Probably yes. The FPTP system AND the boundary changes the Tories want to make AND the change they are pushing through to requiring photo ID to vote (disenfranchising poorer people who strangely are less likely to vote Tory) will endure a Tory win unless people stop being apathetic.
However, it seems like a significant chunk of the UK (mostly England) population are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. Bizarre really!"In your previous post you say that anyone who does not vote are in fact happy with the status quo and happy to stay the same. I was asking does this logic apply to the GE. So if Labour win the election the Tories can claim that all non voters really wanted things to stay the same. Just how you say all non voters in the referendum actually wanted to remain. If it's good for one then good for all | |||
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"Ffs iF any of you listened to Boris speech. (Rather than believing the media) you’ll see it was in context.. With Brexit nation voted for our freedoms and to make our own laws. Ukraine are fighting for their freedoms.. Fab seems to be full of left wing supporters anyway.
IF it wasn’t for Brexit we wouldn’t of been free to help Ukraine fight this war.. EU have been more worried about themselves..
Labour would of been useless during this time..
Support Ukraine..
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"Brexit was voted for by the electorate. Fact. You can moan all you want, but it’s the will of the people. Never been one for having a moab don’t see the point
At the time 52% of those who voted wanted Brexit. Annoyingly 28% of the electorate didn’t bother to vote. There is s school of thought that says people only bother to vote if they feel passionately about something but won’t vote if they are satisfied with the status quo.
By that rationale a huge majority wanted to remain or didn’t really care.
All current opinion polls show a huge swing away from leave with only c.18% still thinking it is a good idea.
But hey, you seem happy to die in that ditch!
By this logic at the next election anyone that does not vote is in fact voting for the status quo i.e. the Tories.
Probably yes. The FPTP system AND the boundary changes the Tories want to make AND the change they are pushing through to requiring photo ID to vote (disenfranchising poorer people who strangely are less likely to vote Tory) will endure a Tory win unless people stop being apathetic.
However, it seems like a significant chunk of the UK (mostly England) population are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. Bizarre really!
In your previous post you say that anyone who does not vote are in fact happy with the status quo and happy to stay the same. I was asking does this logic apply to the GE. So if Labour win the election the Tories can claim that all non voters really wanted things to stay the same. Just how you say all non voters in the referendum actually wanted to remain. If it's good for one then good for all"Interesting point but no you are comparing apples with oranges. The first past the post system has in fact resulted in most peoples vote not counting. They know this so don’t bother to vote. If people thought their vote would count and they wanted change then they would vote more often. To compare a simple yes or no vote to a multiple choice vote is just wrong. Most people didn’t think we would vote for such a stupid outcome so didn’t feel the need to vote. I may be wrong of course. So no they are definitely not the same . Interesting point though. | |||
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"Brexit was voted for by the electorate. Fact. You can moan all you want, but it’s the will of the people. Hmm really the will of the people? 18 m people who are eligible are not on the electoral register ( various reasons including poverty, ignorance, cultural ) 12.9m did not vote or we’re not allowed to vote. Didn’t feel the need for change. 16m voted remain 17m voted leave. You do the maths. doesn't matter about those that didn't vote what counts is those that voted. which means leave won. you don't approve should have been better at getting people to vote so let's see what happens at next election. What did Leave “win” exactly? Can you provide a list if tangible/real benefits that have actually been delivered that we had no way of achieving when we were in the EU? Leave voters were played, very successfully by a combo of Putin funded propaganda snd disaster capitalists looking to get even richer. They are the only actual winners in all this. Pretty much everything the Remain side warned about has come true but was labelled Project Fear. Even what seemed genuinely laughable at the time Cameron et al said it, ie potential war in Europe.they won the right to leave everything else is immaterial to the vote. Lol. So it really doesn't matter how damaging brexit is. As long as people were convinced to vote for it via illegally funded campaigns, you're happy? what damage as it done.for some it doesn't matter do I think it could have been handled better yes would I still vote to leave yes others maybe not bas said let's see at next election
Why do you keep hiding your replies within the quote.
You're not alone. Upto 18% of people still think brexit is a good idea. I know surveys are always flawed. But even if it's only half of that. Millions of people still have absolutely no connection to reality.if it's me im not hiding anything I just reply as for connection to reality im fully aware of it but are you what has changed for you im still happy leaving things are cosy so why would it bother me I didn't vote to help others I voted for me said it before still happy .
Fair enough. I assume you're aware of the catastrophic damage to the economy, and the increased red tape and costs for British businesses, putting some of them under?
What's changed for me is the company I work for is struggling, and are laying people off. The cost of living has gone up. I live in a country with much less public money available to spend on all the things our tax is supposed to be spent on. Depending on how trade deals go, we have the potential for a lot more problems, I'm sure you're well aware.
So if all this is fine for you for, and you don't care about the impact, especially on young people. At least you're honest about it.
You're part of the upto 18% of people who still think it's a good idea, but instead of not understanding about the impact, you just don't care?im fully aware that some companies are struggling maybe there are the ones that kept wages low because of immigration now they either fold or pay better wages.cost of living going up all over the world so not a Brexit thing my company made 740 million last year got a great pay rise as for young adults I have 3 22 23 26 never had it so good youngest finally got a job after uni middle one never had as much money that's his words eldest funnily enough took a pay drop for a new job he's wanted since leaving uni 3 yrs ago astra zen bought first house so thing are rosy"I admire your honesty over not caring about the rest of the country. Disaster capitalism was one of the main benefits for the Tories. | |||
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"Brexit was voted for by the electorate. Fact. You can moan all you want, but it’s the will of the people. Hmm really the will of the people? 18 m people who are eligible are not on the electoral register ( various reasons including poverty, ignorance, cultural ) 12.9m did not vote or we’re not allowed to vote. Didn’t feel the need for change. 16m voted remain 17m voted leave. You do the maths. doesn't matter about those that didn't vote what counts is those that voted. which means leave won. you don't approve should have been better at getting people to vote so let's see what happens at next election. What did Leave “win” exactly? Can you provide a list if tangible/real benefits that have actually been delivered that we had no way of achieving when we were in the EU? Leave voters were played, very successfully by a combo of Putin funded propaganda snd disaster capitalists looking to get even richer. They are the only actual winners in all this. Pretty much everything the Remain side warned about has come true but was labelled Project Fear. Even what seemed genuinely laughable at the time Cameron et al said it, ie potential war in Europe.they won the right to leave everything else is immaterial to the vote. Lol. So it really doesn't matter how damaging brexit is. As long as people were convinced to vote for it via illegally funded campaigns, you're happy? what damage as it done.for some it doesn't matter do I think it could have been handled better yes would I still vote to leave yes others maybe not bas said let's see at next election
Why do you keep hiding your replies within the quote.
You're not alone. Upto 18% of people still think brexit is a good idea. I know surveys are always flawed. But even if it's only half of that. Millions of people still have absolutely no connection to reality.if it's me im not hiding anything I just reply as for connection to reality im fully aware of it but are you what has changed for you im still happy leaving things are cosy so why would it bother me I didn't vote to help others I voted for me said it before still happy .
Fair enough. I assume you're aware of the catastrophic damage to the economy, and the increased red tape and costs for British businesses, putting some of them under?
What's changed for me is the company I work for is struggling, and are laying people off. The cost of living has gone up. I live in a country with much less public money available to spend on all the things our tax is supposed to be spent on. Depending on how trade deals go, we have the potential for a lot more problems, I'm sure you're well aware.
So if all this is fine for you for, and you don't care about the impact, especially on young people. At least you're honest about it.
You're part of the upto 18% of people who still think it's a good idea, but instead of not understanding about the impact, you just don't care?im fully aware that some companies are struggling maybe there are the ones that kept wages low because of immigration now they either fold or pay better wages.cost of living going up all over the world so not a Brexit thing my company made 740 million last year got a great pay rise as for young adults I have 3 22 23 26 never had it so good youngest finally got a job after uni middle one never had as much money that's his words eldest funnily enough took a pay drop for a new job he's wanted since leaving uni 3 yrs ago astra zen bought first house so thing are rosy
I admire your honesty over not caring about the rest of the country. Disaster capitalism was one of the main benefits for the Tories. "Same old rhetoric you dont agree with me and so you dont care about the country. | |||
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"Brexit was voted for by the electorate. Fact. You can moan all you want, but it’s the will of the people. Hmm really the will of the people? 18 m people who are eligible are not on the electoral register ( various reasons including poverty, ignorance, cultural ) 12.9m did not vote or we’re not allowed to vote. Didn’t feel the need for change. 16m voted remain 17m voted leave. You do the maths. doesn't matter about those that didn't vote what counts is those that voted. which means leave won. you don't approve should have been better at getting people to vote so let's see what happens at next election. What did Leave “win” exactly? Can you provide a list if tangible/real benefits that have actually been delivered that we had no way of achieving when we were in the EU? Leave voters were played, very successfully by a combo of Putin funded propaganda snd disaster capitalists looking to get even richer. They are the only actual winners in all this. Pretty much everything the Remain side warned about has come true but was labelled Project Fear. Even what seemed genuinely laughable at the time Cameron et al said it, ie potential war in Europe.they won the right to leave everything else is immaterial to the vote. Lol. So it really doesn't matter how damaging brexit is. As long as people were convinced to vote for it via illegally funded campaigns, you're happy? what damage as it done.for some it doesn't matter do I think it could have been handled better yes would I still vote to leave yes others maybe not bas said let's see at next election
Why do you keep hiding your replies within the quote.
You're not alone. Upto 18% of people still think brexit is a good idea. I know surveys are always flawed. But even if it's only half of that. Millions of people still have absolutely no connection to reality.if it's me im not hiding anything I just reply as for connection to reality im fully aware of it but are you what has changed for you im still happy leaving things are cosy so why would it bother me I didn't vote to help others I voted for me said it before still happy .
Fair enough. I assume you're aware of the catastrophic damage to the economy, and the increased red tape and costs for British businesses, putting some of them under?
What's changed for me is the company I work for is struggling, and are laying people off. The cost of living has gone up. I live in a country with much less public money available to spend on all the things our tax is supposed to be spent on. Depending on how trade deals go, we have the potential for a lot more problems, I'm sure you're well aware.
So if all this is fine for you for, and you don't care about the impact, especially on young people. At least you're honest about it.
You're part of the upto 18% of people who still think it's a good idea, but instead of not understanding about the impact, you just don't care?im fully aware that some companies are struggling maybe there are the ones that kept wages low because of immigration now they either fold or pay better wages.cost of living going up all over the world so not a Brexit thing my company made 740 million last year got a great pay rise as for young adults I have 3 22 23 26 never had it so good youngest finally got a job after uni middle one never had as much money that's his words eldest funnily enough took a pay drop for a new job he's wanted since leaving uni 3 yrs ago astra zen bought first house so thing are rosy
I admire your honesty over not caring about the rest of the country. Disaster capitalism was one of the main benefits for the Tories. Same old rhetoric you dont agree with me and so you dont care about the country. "Not at all. He said he didn't care about anyone else. As long as his company made some wedge from the brexit clusterfuck. It's better he's honest about it. Then you can have a conversation. If you are trying to pretend brexit is a good idea, (the Monty Python black Knight argument), there's no basis for discussion. | |||
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"Brexit was voted for by the electorate. Fact. You can moan all you want, but it’s the will of the people. Never been one for having a moab don’t see the point
At the time 52% of those who voted wanted Brexit. Annoyingly 28% of the electorate didn’t bother to vote. There is s school of thought that says people only bother to vote if they feel passionately about something but won’t vote if they are satisfied with the status quo.
By that rationale a huge majority wanted to remain or didn’t really care.
All current opinion polls show a huge swing away from leave with only c.18% still thinking it is a good idea.
But hey, you seem happy to die in that ditch!
By this logic at the next election anyone that does not vote is in fact voting for the status quo i.e. the Tories.
Probably yes. The FPTP system AND the boundary changes the Tories want to make AND the change they are pushing through to requiring photo ID to vote (disenfranchising poorer people who strangely are less likely to vote Tory) will endure a Tory win unless people stop being apathetic.
However, it seems like a significant chunk of the UK (mostly England) population are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. Bizarre really!
In your previous post you say that anyone who does not vote are in fact happy with the status quo and happy to stay the same. I was asking does this logic apply to the GE. So if Labour win the election the Tories can claim that all non voters really wanted things to stay the same. Just how you say all non voters in the referendum actually wanted to remain. If it's good for one then good for all"Ah ok I see your point. Yes that rationale does arguably apply. I certainly think if you don’t vote then you cannot really complain. | |||
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"Brexit was voted for by the electorate. Fact. You can moan all you want, but it’s the will of the people. Hmm really the will of the people? 18 m people who are eligible are not on the electoral register ( various reasons including poverty, ignorance, cultural ) 12.9m did not vote or we’re not allowed to vote. Didn’t feel the need for change. 16m voted remain 17m voted leave. You do the maths. doesn't matter about those that didn't vote what counts is those that voted. which means leave won. you don't approve should have been better at getting people to vote so let's see what happens at next election. What did Leave “win” exactly? Can you provide a list if tangible/real benefits that have actually been delivered that we had no way of achieving when we were in the EU? Leave voters were played, very successfully by a combo of Putin funded propaganda snd disaster capitalists looking to get even richer. They are the only actual winners in all this. Pretty much everything the Remain side warned about has come true but was labelled Project Fear. Even what seemed genuinely laughable at the time Cameron et al said it, ie potential war in Europe.they won the right to leave everything else is immaterial to the vote. Lol. So it really doesn't matter how damaging brexit is. As long as people were convinced to vote for it via illegally funded campaigns, you're happy? what damage as it done.for some it doesn't matter do I think it could have been handled better yes would I still vote to leave yes others maybe not bas said let's see at next election
Why do you keep hiding your replies within the quote.
You're not alone. Upto 18% of people still think brexit is a good idea. I know surveys are always flawed. But even if it's only half of that. Millions of people still have absolutely no connection to reality.if it's me im not hiding anything I just reply as for connection to reality im fully aware of it but are you what has changed for you im still happy leaving things are cosy so why would it bother me I didn't vote to help others I voted for me said it before still happy .
Fair enough. I assume you're aware of the catastrophic damage to the economy, and the increased red tape and costs for British businesses, putting some of them under?
What's changed for me is the company I work for is struggling, and are laying people off. The cost of living has gone up. I live in a country with much less public money available to spend on all the things our tax is supposed to be spent on. Depending on how trade deals go, we have the potential for a lot more problems, I'm sure you're well aware.
So if all this is fine for you for, and you don't care about the impact, especially on young people. At least you're honest about it.
You're part of the upto 18% of people who still think it's a good idea, but instead of not understanding about the impact, you just don't care?im fully aware that some companies are struggling maybe there are the ones that kept wages low because of immigration now they either fold or pay better wages.cost of living going up all over the world so not a Brexit thing my company made 740 million last year got a great pay rise as for young adults I have 3 22 23 26 never had it so good youngest finally got a job after uni middle one never had as much money that's his words eldest funnily enough took a pay drop for a new job he's wanted since leaving uni 3 yrs ago astra zen bought first house so thing are rosy"Holy hells man have you not heard about punctuation! My eyes are bleeding | |||
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"Brexit was voted for by the electorate. Fact. You can moan all you want, but it’s the will of the people. Hmm really the will of the people? 18 m people who are eligible are not on the electoral register ( various reasons including poverty, ignorance, cultural ) 12.9m did not vote or we’re not allowed to vote. Didn’t feel the need for change. 16m voted remain 17m voted leave. You do the maths. doesn't matter about those that didn't vote what counts is those that voted. which means leave won. you don't approve should have been better at getting people to vote so let's see what happens at next election. What did Leave “win” exactly? Can you provide a list if tangible/real benefits that have actually been delivered that we had no way of achieving when we were in the EU? Leave voters were played, very successfully by a combo of Putin funded propaganda snd disaster capitalists looking to get even richer. They are the only actual winners in all this. Pretty much everything the Remain side warned about has come true but was labelled Project Fear. Even what seemed genuinely laughable at the time Cameron et al said it, ie potential war in Europe.they won the right to leave everything else is immaterial to the vote. Lol. So it really doesn't matter how damaging brexit is. As long as people were convinced to vote for it via illegally funded campaigns, you're happy? what damage as it done.for some it doesn't matter do I think it could have been handled better yes would I still vote to leave yes others maybe not bas said let's see at next election
Why do you keep hiding your replies within the quote.
You're not alone. Upto 18% of people still think brexit is a good idea. I know surveys are always flawed. But even if it's only half of that. Millions of people still have absolutely no connection to reality.if it's me im not hiding anything I just reply as for connection to reality im fully aware of it but are you what has changed for you im still happy leaving things are cosy so why would it bother me I didn't vote to help others I voted for me said it before still happy .
Fair enough. I assume you're aware of the catastrophic damage to the economy, and the increased red tape and costs for British businesses, putting some of them under?
What's changed for me is the company I work for is struggling, and are laying people off. The cost of living has gone up. I live in a country with much less public money available to spend on all the things our tax is supposed to be spent on. Depending on how trade deals go, we have the potential for a lot more problems, I'm sure you're well aware.
So if all this is fine for you for, and you don't care about the impact, especially on young people. At least you're honest about it.
You're part of the upto 18% of people who still think it's a good idea, but instead of not understanding about the impact, you just don't care?im fully aware that some companies are struggling maybe there are the ones that kept wages low because of immigration now they either fold or pay better wages.cost of living going up all over the world so not a Brexit thing my company made 740 million last year got a great pay rise as for young adults I have 3 22 23 26 never had it so good youngest finally got a job after uni middle one never had as much money that's his words eldest funnily enough took a pay drop for a new job he's wanted since leaving uni 3 yrs ago astra zen bought first house so thing are rosy
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"Ffs iF any of you listened to Boris speech. (Rather than believing the media) you’ll see it was in context.. With Brexit nation voted for our freedoms and to make our own laws. Ukraine are fighting for their freedoms.. Fab seems to be full of left wing supporters anyway.
IF it wasn’t for Brexit we wouldn’t of been free to help Ukraine fight this war.. EU have been more worried about themselves..
Labour would of been useless during this time..
Support Ukraine..
"I disagree - i watched the speech it clearly linked/put forward as a similarity - the Ukrainian fight for freedom with Brexit as an example of where the British have fought for freedom. I will let you draw your own conclusions as to whether you think they are comparable….. | |||
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"It's not a democratic vote if it was influenced by external parties. Polls showed the UK was in favour of remaining in the EU only up until shortly before the vote. What happened before the vote? Mass social engineering by Cambridge Analytical, targeted ads on Facebook, and pro Brexit bots on Twitter and Facebook. I've yet to see any 'wins' from Brexit. The UK is the laughing stock of the world and the Government has been compromised by Russia. Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson is clutching straws, and frankly it's an insult to Ukraine to compare an invasion on their land to Brexit. The invasion is a result of their desire to be closer to the EU and NATO. " Had a drink a few years ago with a few people who’d masterminded the CA tech and SE process. It was very fascinating. | |||
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"Boris us not fit to lead this country. On the night Ukraine was being invaded he was at a Tory fundraiser with yet another allegedly corrupt “Russian” Tory donor along with Gove and unbelievably our defence minister Ben Wallace. Money over morals every time. This lot have to go. Isn’t it time Tories with sone sense of decency stepped forward? . You failed to mention that he only attended the meeting for 20 minutes and then left after advising attendees that he had to deal with the war. He is simply a very capable man who can plan his time and address both issues. Twenty minutes hardly makes any difference to subsequent events. So it’s ok for the PM and two senior ministers to take a min hour out of their time on the night a country is being invaded to have a few drinks and a back slapping chat Are you actually defending that decision? I suppose his comment on Brexit is like the Ukraine’s peoples fight for their lives is multi tasking too! Talk about blind loyalty. As for you “He’s a very capable man” comment that has to be the funniest post on here in years. Are you a Tory mp? . Any leader has to be able to multi task and plan carefully use of their time . Maybe he is not insecure as some people and is happy delegate tasks to other cabinet ministers. Addressing a meeting hardly makes any difference to the war. "May I ask . Do you think him having a fundraiser with a Russian suspected of rampant corruption is also a good skill? Are you really trying to defend the indefensible. He’s dinning with the corrupt Putin backers as they invade Ukraine. It’s only Tory party money so who cares where it comes from. | |||
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"Bless Boris, he’s gifted a nice quote to the next indy ref campaigns for the devolved nations. I’m sure they’ll appreciate his words in their quest for freedom! " And Sunak tried to distance himself. Trouble is he is living in a glass house. Sunak’s wife has £500m in shares in Infosys (her Dad’s company) which is still actively trading in and with Russia. | |||
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"Bless Boris, he’s gifted a nice quote to the next indy ref campaigns for the devolved nations. I’m sure they’ll appreciate his words in their quest for freedom! And Sunak tried to distance himself. Trouble is he is living in a glass house. Sunak’s wife has £500m in shares in Infosys (her Dad’s company) which is still actively trading in and with Russia." Their holdings as a family including Rishi’s wife are in Madagascar to avoid Indian tax. How very philanthropic of them to fully accept their social responsibility in India which has such abject poverty. | |||
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"Boris us not fit to lead this country. On the night Ukraine was being invaded he was at a Tory fundraiser with yet another allegedly corrupt “Russian” Tory donor along with Gove and unbelievably our defence minister Ben Wallace. Money over morals every time. This lot have to go. Isn’t it time Tories with sone sense of decency stepped forward? . You failed to mention that he only attended the meeting for 20 minutes and then left after advising attendees that he had to deal with the war. He is simply a very capable man who can plan his time and address both issues. Twenty minutes hardly makes any difference to subsequent events. So it’s ok for the PM and two senior ministers to take a min hour out of their time on the night a country is being invaded to have a few drinks and a back slapping chat Are you actually defending that decision? I suppose his comment on Brexit is like the Ukraine’s peoples fight for their lives is multi tasking too! Talk about blind loyalty. As for you “He’s a very capable man” comment that has to be the funniest post on here in years. Are you a Tory mp? . Any leader has to be able to multi task and plan carefully use of their time . Maybe he is not insecure as some people and is happy delegate tasks to other cabinet ministers. Addressing a meeting hardly makes any difference to the war.
May I ask . Do you think him having a fundraiser with a Russian suspected of rampant corruption is also a good skill?
Are you really trying to defend the indefensible. He’s dinning with the corrupt Putin backers as they invade Ukraine.
It’s only Tory party money so who cares where it comes from. ". How do you know that the person with whom he dined was a Putin backer?. In any event prior to the war we had little choice but to work with Russia and its associated businnesses . Whether or not the attendee backed Putin at that stage would be entirely irrelevant. It is only subsequent events that show Putin in a very different picture. At the time of the meeting the war was only a threat . We do my know of any donations were made as a result of the meeting. As the PM has given his unconditional support to Ukraine we can safely say that he was not influenced in any way by Russia or for that matter attendees at the meeting. | |||
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"Boris us not fit to lead this country. On the night Ukraine was being invaded he was at a Tory fundraiser with yet another allegedly corrupt “Russian” Tory donor along with Gove and unbelievably our defence minister Ben Wallace. Money over morals every time. This lot have to go. Isn’t it time Tories with sone sense of decency stepped forward? . You failed to mention that he only attended the meeting for 20 minutes and then left after advising attendees that he had to deal with the war. He is simply a very capable man who can plan his time and address both issues. Twenty minutes hardly makes any difference to subsequent events. So it’s ok for the PM and two senior ministers to take a min hour out of their time on the night a country is being invaded to have a few drinks and a back slapping chat Are you actually defending that decision? I suppose his comment on Brexit is like the Ukraine’s peoples fight for their lives is multi tasking too! Talk about blind loyalty. As for you “He’s a very capable man” comment that has to be the funniest post on here in years. Are you a Tory mp? . Any leader has to be able to multi task and plan carefully use of their time . Maybe he is not insecure as some people and is happy delegate tasks to other cabinet ministers. Addressing a meeting hardly makes any difference to the war.
May I ask . Do you think him having a fundraiser with a Russian suspected of rampant corruption is also a good skill?
Are you really trying to defend the indefensible. He’s dinning with the corrupt Putin backers as they invade Ukraine.
It’s only Tory party money so who cares where it comes from. . How do you know that the person with whom he dined was a Putin backer?. In any event prior to the war we had little choice but to work with Russia and its associated businnesses . Whether or not the attendee backed Putin at that stage would be entirely irrelevant. It is only subsequent events that show Putin in a very different picture. At the time of the meeting the war was only a threat . We do my know of any donations were made as a result of the meeting. As the PM has given his unconditional support to Ukraine we can safely say that he was not influenced in any way by Russia or for that matter attendees at the meeting. "So that’s a yes you are attempting to defend him. The allegations are that more than one Russian was present. We have never been forced to work with Russians and never been forced to set up tax havens for them both in London and U.K. dominions around the world. The government have been very keen to help. Firstly our intelligence service released and from Boris’ own words the Russians would be invading within 48 hours and so he still attended the fundraiser knowing this fact. So not just a threat. Chernukhin is a member of the Conservative Party's Advisory Board for significant donors. In a February 2022 investigation The Times alleged that Chernukhin had repeatedly lobbied government ministers "against raising the tax burden on high net-worth individuals" and sent ministers research from Ernst and Young "on the importance of the ultra-rich for the overall economy" while a member of the Advisory Board. She has donated £2m that we know of. The majority of Chernukhin's donations to the Conservative Party came after her husband was given $8 million by Russian billionaire and Vladimir Putin ally Suleyman Kerimov through an offshore company in 2016. Kerimov's involvement with the Chernukhin was revealed in the FinCEN files leak.her husband was originally a minster who came into great wealth but fell foul of a putin purge so left. He obviously made up with Putin. Nobody gets rich in Russia without Putin saying so. Are they friends probably not but you support Putin if you wish to firstly make then subsequently keep your wealth safe. £6.5m has been donated to the Boris regime by rich Russians. Why do they do that? Just being friendly I suppose. Boris is supporting Ukraine so he’s not influenced influenced in any way. The two are not mutually exclusive. He also said he didn’t attend any covid lockdown parties until the photos were made public. Do you believe that he didn’t still? How naive are you? Still Farage is keeping quiet about supporting Putin for years so there’s a positive. | |||
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"Boris us not fit to lead this country. On the night Ukraine was being invaded he was at a Tory fundraiser with yet another allegedly corrupt “Russian” Tory donor along with Gove and unbelievably our defence minister Ben Wallace. Money over morals every time. This lot have to go. Isn’t it time Tories with sone sense of decency stepped forward? . You failed to mention that he only attended the meeting for 20 minutes and then left after advising attendees that he had to deal with the war. He is simply a very capable man who can plan his time and address both issues. Twenty minutes hardly makes any difference to subsequent events. So it’s ok for the PM and two senior ministers to take a min hour out of their time on the night a country is being invaded to have a few drinks and a back slapping chat Are you actually defending that decision? I suppose his comment on Brexit is like the Ukraine’s peoples fight for their lives is multi tasking too! Talk about blind loyalty. As for you “He’s a very capable man” comment that has to be the funniest post on here in years. Are you a Tory mp? . Any leader has to be able to multi task and plan carefully use of their time . Maybe he is not insecure as some people and is happy delegate tasks to other cabinet ministers. Addressing a meeting hardly makes any difference to the war.
May I ask . Do you think him having a fundraiser with a Russian suspected of rampant corruption is also a good skill?
Are you really trying to defend the indefensible. He’s dinning with the corrupt Putin backers as they invade Ukraine.
It’s only Tory party money so who cares where it comes from. . How do you know that the person with whom he dined was a Putin backer?. In any event prior to the war we had little choice but to work with Russia and its associated businnesses . Whether or not the attendee backed Putin at that stage would be entirely irrelevant. It is only subsequent events that show Putin in a very different picture. At the time of the meeting the war was only a threat . We do my know of any donations were made as a result of the meeting. As the PM has given his unconditional support to Ukraine we can safely say that he was not influenced in any way by Russia or for that matter attendees at the meeting.
So that’s a yes you are attempting to defend him. The allegations are that more than one Russian was present.
We have never been forced to work with Russians and never been forced to set up tax havens for them both in London and U.K. dominions around the world. The government have been very keen to help.
Firstly our intelligence service released and from Boris’ own words the Russians would be invading within 48 hours and so he still attended the fundraiser knowing this fact. So not just a threat.
Chernukhin is a member of the Conservative Party's Advisory Board for significant donors. In a February 2022 investigation The Times alleged that Chernukhin had repeatedly lobbied government ministers "against raising the tax burden on high net-worth individuals" and sent ministers research from Ernst and Young "on the importance of the ultra-rich for the overall economy" while a member of the Advisory Board. She has donated £2m that we know of.
The majority of Chernukhin's donations to the Conservative Party came after her husband was given $8 million by Russian billionaire and Vladimir Putin ally Suleyman Kerimov through an offshore company in 2016. Kerimov's involvement with the Chernukhin was revealed in the FinCEN files leak.her husband was originally a minster who came into great wealth but fell foul of a putin purge so left. He obviously made up with Putin.
Nobody gets rich in Russia without Putin saying so. Are they friends probably not but you support Putin if you wish to firstly make then subsequently keep your wealth safe.
£6.5m has been donated to the Boris regime by rich Russians. Why do they do that? Just being friendly I suppose. Boris is supporting Ukraine so he’s not influenced influenced in any way. The two are not mutually exclusive. He also said he didn’t attend any covid lockdown parties until the photos were made public. Do you believe that he didn’t still? How naive are you?
Still Farage is keeping quiet about supporting Putin for years so there’s a positive.". It is of no interest to me whether Boris did or did not attend the so called lock down parties ( or works events ) . He lead us very successfully through the Covid 19 crisis. A few drinks after work and to boost morale is hardly worth even thinking about. Hopefully the silent majority have the same thought process . The Boris bashers are just a very vocal minority. | |||
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"Boris us not fit to lead this country. On the night Ukraine was being invaded he was at a Tory fundraiser with yet another allegedly corrupt “Russian” Tory donor along with Gove and unbelievably our defence minister Ben Wallace. Money over morals every time. This lot have to go. Isn’t it time Tories with sone sense of decency stepped forward? . You failed to mention that he only attended the meeting for 20 minutes and then left after advising attendees that he had to deal with the war. He is simply a very capable man who can plan his time and address both issues. Twenty minutes hardly makes any difference to subsequent events. So it’s ok for the PM and two senior ministers to take a min hour out of their time on the night a country is being invaded to have a few drinks and a back slapping chat Are you actually defending that decision? I suppose his comment on Brexit is like the Ukraine’s peoples fight for their lives is multi tasking too! Talk about blind loyalty. As for you “He’s a very capable man” comment that has to be the funniest post on here in years. Are you a Tory mp? . Any leader has to be able to multi task and plan carefully use of their time . Maybe he is not insecure as some people and is happy delegate tasks to other cabinet ministers. Addressing a meeting hardly makes any difference to the war.
May I ask . Do you think him having a fundraiser with a Russian suspected of rampant corruption is also a good skill?
Are you really trying to defend the indefensible. He’s dinning with the corrupt Putin backers as they invade Ukraine.
It’s only Tory party money so who cares where it comes from. . How do you know that the person with whom he dined was a Putin backer?. In any event prior to the war we had little choice but to work with Russia and its associated businnesses . Whether or not the attendee backed Putin at that stage would be entirely irrelevant. It is only subsequent events that show Putin in a very different picture. At the time of the meeting the war was only a threat . We do my know of any donations were made as a result of the meeting. As the PM has given his unconditional support to Ukraine we can safely say that he was not influenced in any way by Russia or for that matter attendees at the meeting.
So that’s a yes you are attempting to defend him. The allegations are that more than one Russian was present.
We have never been forced to work with Russians and never been forced to set up tax havens for them both in London and U.K. dominions around the world. The government have been very keen to help.
Firstly our intelligence service released and from Boris’ own words the Russians would be invading within 48 hours and so he still attended the fundraiser knowing this fact. So not just a threat.
Chernukhin is a member of the Conservative Party's Advisory Board for significant donors. In a February 2022 investigation The Times alleged that Chernukhin had repeatedly lobbied government ministers "against raising the tax burden on high net-worth individuals" and sent ministers research from Ernst and Young "on the importance of the ultra-rich for the overall economy" while a member of the Advisory Board. She has donated £2m that we know of.
The majority of Chernukhin's donations to the Conservative Party came after her husband was given $8 million by Russian billionaire and Vladimir Putin ally Suleyman Kerimov through an offshore company in 2016. Kerimov's involvement with the Chernukhin was revealed in the FinCEN files leak.her husband was originally a minster who came into great wealth but fell foul of a putin purge so left. He obviously made up with Putin.
Nobody gets rich in Russia without Putin saying so. Are they friends probably not but you support Putin if you wish to firstly make then subsequently keep your wealth safe.
£6.5m has been donated to the Boris regime by rich Russians. Why do they do that? Just being friendly I suppose. Boris is supporting Ukraine so he’s not influenced influenced in any way. The two are not mutually exclusive. He also said he didn’t attend any covid lockdown parties until the photos were made public. Do you believe that he didn’t still? How naive are you?
Still Farage is keeping quiet about supporting Putin for years so there’s a positive. . It is of no interest to me whether Boris did or did not attend the so called lock down parties ( or works events ) . He lead us very successfully through the Covid 19 crisis. A few drinks after work and to boost morale is hardly worth even thinking about. Hopefully the silent majority have the same thought process . The Boris bashers are just a very vocal minority. "Yes he lead us to be one of the leading countries when it came to the highest death rates. He also lead us to be the most negatively impacted country economically in Europe. You are spouting rubbish like a true Stockholm syndrome afflicted person. A few drinks as others couldn’t sit with their dying relatives . You need to have a word with yourself if you think his behaviour is acceptable. I think you will find anyone with a moral compass will recognise that as disgraceful whatever their party colours. Perhaps you’re a Blind devoted follower who’s very happy to doff his cap too his betters as long as they tell him he’s doing well. Unbelievable. | |||
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" . The Boris bashers are just a very vocal minority. " This is a testament to the power of the pro Tory media. All the government do is line their own pockets, serve their party sponsors, laugh and cheer when defeating proposed public healthcare workers pay increases, laugh and party while British people died of covid, and vote for human shit to be pumped into the waterways. And you're celebrating that people are too apathetic to care. Amazing. | |||
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" . The Boris bashers are just a very vocal minority. This is a testament to the power of the pro Tory media. All the government do is line their own pockets, serve their party sponsors, laugh and cheer when defeating proposed public healthcare workers pay increases, laugh and party while British people died of covid, and vote for human shit to be pumped into the waterways. And you're celebrating that people are too apathetic to care. Amazing. " You seem to have a very low opinion of peoples ability to think for themselves but thats the usual argument of the minority "you have been manipulated by the media im more clever than you" when in fact you are just in the minority nothing more. | |||
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" . The Boris bashers are just a very vocal minority. This is a testament to the power of the pro Tory media. All the government do is line their own pockets, serve their party sponsors, laugh and cheer when defeating proposed public healthcare workers pay increases, laugh and party while British people died of covid, and vote for human shit to be pumped into the waterways. And you're celebrating that people are too apathetic to care. Amazing. You seem to have a very low opinion of peoples ability to think for themselves but thats the usual argument of the minority "you have been manipulated by the media im more clever than you" when in fact you are just in the minority nothing more." Thanks. So what's your assessment of why this chap is celebrating people's apathy? | |||
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" . The Boris bashers are just a very vocal minority. This is a testament to the power of the pro Tory media. All the government do is line their own pockets, serve their party sponsors, laugh and cheer when defeating proposed public healthcare workers pay increases, laugh and party while British people died of covid, and vote for human shit to be pumped into the waterways. And you're celebrating that people are too apathetic to care. Amazing. You seem to have a very low opinion of peoples ability to think for themselves but thats the usual argument of the minority "you have been manipulated by the media im more clever than you" when in fact you are just in the minority nothing more. Thanks. So what's your assessment of why this chap is celebrating people's apathy?" I dont think he is celebrating peoples apathy just pointing out that boris bashers are a very vocal minority. Again instead of just reading the post you just make up your own mind on what is actually meant. | |||
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" . The Boris bashers are just a very vocal minority. This is a testament to the power of the pro Tory media. All the government do is line their own pockets, serve their party sponsors, laugh and cheer when defeating proposed public healthcare workers pay increases, laugh and party while British people died of covid, and vote for human shit to be pumped into the waterways. And you're celebrating that people are too apathetic to care. Amazing. You seem to have a very low opinion of peoples ability to think for themselves but thats the usual argument of the minority "you have been manipulated by the media im more clever than you" when in fact you are just in the minority nothing more. Thanks. So what's your assessment of why this chap is celebrating people's apathy?I dont think he is celebrating peoples apathy just pointing out that boris bashers are a very vocal minority. Again instead of just reading the post you just make up your own mind on what is actually meant. "Recent independent poll on the 15th February suggests 65% of those asked disapproved of Boris. Even with a margin of error that’s some minority. | |||
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" . The Boris bashers are just a very vocal minority. This is a testament to the power of the pro Tory media. All the government do is line their own pockets, serve their party sponsors, laugh and cheer when defeating proposed public healthcare workers pay increases, laugh and party while British people died of covid, and vote for human shit to be pumped into the waterways. And you're celebrating that people are too apathetic to care. Amazing. You seem to have a very low opinion of peoples ability to think for themselves but thats the usual argument of the minority "you have been manipulated by the media im more clever than you" when in fact you are just in the minority nothing more. Thanks. So what's your assessment of why this chap is celebrating people's apathy?I dont think he is celebrating peoples apathy just pointing out that boris bashers are a very vocal minority. Again instead of just reading the post you just make up your own mind on what is actually meant.
Recent independent poll on the 15th February suggests 65% of those asked disapproved of Boris. Even with a margin of error that’s some minority. "The true test will be the next election. | |||
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" . The Boris bashers are just a very vocal minority. This is a testament to the power of the pro Tory media. All the government do is line their own pockets, serve their party sponsors, laugh and cheer when defeating proposed public healthcare workers pay increases, laugh and party while British people died of covid, and vote for human shit to be pumped into the waterways. And you're celebrating that people are too apathetic to care. Amazing. You seem to have a very low opinion of peoples ability to think for themselves but thats the usual argument of the minority "you have been manipulated by the media im more clever than you" when in fact you are just in the minority nothing more. Thanks. So what's your assessment of why this chap is celebrating people's apathy?I dont think he is celebrating peoples apathy just pointing out that boris bashers are a very vocal minority. Again instead of just reading the post you just make up your own mind on what is actually meant. "Thanks So then why aren't more people bashing Boris's self serving government? | |||
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"Johnson has compared the Ukrainian people's current quest for freedom to the UK voting for Brexit. Well I have heard it all now! I don't remember that on the side of a bus!" Ukraine didn't have much choice, the complete utter fuckwit dumbass cunt Johnston pressed the self destruct button | |||
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"People need to pay more attention to what politicians do as opposed to what they say. Lowering taxes and doing more to ease inflation is what we're more bothered about." Sure do. Gaslighting has reached epic proportions! Just look at Mr “low tax” Sunak! Could easily impose a windfall tax on oil & gas companies to offset staggering price increases but oh no, can’t do that as Labour suggested it and shareholders won’t be happy. Ok then how about totting up the massive growth in VAT receipts and fuel duty to the exchequer due to rising energy prices, and cancelling the National Insurance rise in April? Oh no can’t do that as it is a Labour idea! | |||
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"People need to pay more attention to what politicians do as opposed to what they say. Lowering taxes and doing more to ease inflation is what we're more bothered about. Sure do. Gaslighting has reached epic proportions! Just look at Mr “low tax” Sunak! Could easily impose a windfall tax on oil & gas companies to offset staggering price increases but oh no, can’t do that as Labour suggested it and shareholders won’t be happy. Ok then how about totting up the massive growth in VAT receipts and fuel duty to the exchequer due to rising energy prices, and cancelling the National Insurance rise in April? Oh no can’t do that as it is a Labour idea!" Finally something has been done to address the nhs and social care shortfall and before its even come in labour want to scrap it i thought the nhs was their baby seems not. With the fuel crisis labour want to impose a tax on the oil companies who in turn will lead to less investment and less exploration at the very time the uk is trying to advert fuel dependency from other countries. Brilliant ideas as usual from a clueless labour party,with policies like that no wonder they concentrate on tory sleaze instead of real problems. | |||
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"People need to pay more attention to what politicians do as opposed to what they say. Lowering taxes and doing more to ease inflation is what we're more bothered about. Sure do. Gaslighting has reached epic proportions! Just look at Mr “low tax” Sunak! Could easily impose a windfall tax on oil & gas companies to offset staggering price increases but oh no, can’t do that as Labour suggested it and shareholders won’t be happy. Ok then how about totting up the massive growth in VAT receipts and fuel duty to the exchequer due to rising energy prices, and cancelling the National Insurance rise in April? Oh no can’t do that as it is a Labour idea!Finally something has been done to address the nhs and social care shortfall and before its even come in labour want to scrap it i thought the nhs was their baby seems not. With the fuel crisis labour want to impose a tax on the oil companies who in turn will lead to less investment and less exploration at the very time the uk is trying to advert fuel dependency from other countries. Brilliant ideas as usual from a clueless labour party,with policies like that no wonder they concentrate on tory sleaze instead of real problems. "Move away from fossil fuels. If the Conservative government hasn't scrapped all their promises over the last elections to increase the energy production from renewable sources. We would be more self sufficient. | |||
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" . The Boris bashers are just a very vocal minority. This is a testament to the power of the pro Tory media. All the government do is line their own pockets, serve their party sponsors, laugh and cheer when defeating proposed public healthcare workers pay increases, laugh and party while British people died of covid, and vote for human shit to be pumped into the waterways. And you're celebrating that people are too apathetic to care. Amazing. You seem to have a very low opinion of peoples ability to think for themselves but thats the usual argument of the minority "you have been manipulated by the media im more clever than you" when in fact you are just in the minority nothing more. Thanks. So what's your assessment of why this chap is celebrating people's apathy?I dont think he is celebrating peoples apathy just pointing out that boris bashers are a very vocal minority. Again instead of just reading the post you just make up your own mind on what is actually meant.
Recent independent poll on the 15th February suggests 65% of those asked disapproved of Boris. Even with a margin of error that’s some minority. The true test will be the next election."I really want to say I agree but with FPTP it never does. That’s a reflection of how undemocratic we truly are. | |||
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"People need to pay more attention to what politicians do as opposed to what they say. Lowering taxes and doing more to ease inflation is what we're more bothered about. Sure do. Gaslighting has reached epic proportions! Just look at Mr “low tax” Sunak! Could easily impose a windfall tax on oil & gas companies to offset staggering price increases but oh no, can’t do that as Labour suggested it and shareholders won’t be happy. Ok then how about totting up the massive growth in VAT receipts and fuel duty to the exchequer due to rising energy prices, and cancelling the National Insurance rise in April? Oh no can’t do that as it is a Labour idea!Finally something has been done to address the nhs and social care shortfall and before its even come in labour want to scrap it i thought the nhs was their baby seems not. With the fuel crisis labour want to impose a tax on the oil companies who in turn will lead to less investment and less exploration at the very time the uk is trying to advert fuel dependency from other countries. Brilliant ideas as usual from a clueless labour party,with policies like that no wonder they concentrate on tory sleaze instead of real problems. "But Costa what happened to the £350m a week Brexit bonus Johnson promised us? That is £18bn a year. Are you saying it was a fantasy? Where are all those Brexit opportunities? JRM is conspicuously quiet. Must be busy counting all those benefits on his fingers. As for the less investment argument - complete and utter twaddle. Totally spurious short termist argument. Institutional shareholders want long term revenue/dividends so won’t accept turning off the investment tap because of a windfall tax on unforecasted massive increases in profits. | |||
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"People need to pay more attention to what politicians do as opposed to what they say. Lowering taxes and doing more to ease inflation is what we're more bothered about. Sure do. Gaslighting has reached epic proportions! Just look at Mr “low tax” Sunak! Could easily impose a windfall tax on oil & gas companies to offset staggering price increases but oh no, can’t do that as Labour suggested it and shareholders won’t be happy. Ok then how about totting up the massive growth in VAT receipts and fuel duty to the exchequer due to rising energy prices, and cancelling the National Insurance rise in April? Oh no can’t do that as it is a Labour idea!Finally something has been done to address the nhs and social care shortfall and before its even come in labour want to scrap it i thought the nhs was their baby seems not. With the fuel crisis labour want to impose a tax on the oil companies who in turn will lead to less investment and less exploration at the very time the uk is trying to advert fuel dependency from other countries. Brilliant ideas as usual from a clueless labour party,with policies like that no wonder they concentrate on tory sleaze instead of real problems. "The oil companies have made a lot of profits given to shareholders over the years. ( not me sadly) They could have easily invested that but chose not to. With the recent spike in prices and low investments over the last five years they are very flush and can well afford a windfall tax. The oil companies operate in cycles. They stop investment and slash costs as soon as a new field opens up. They haven’t opened their biggest investment piggy bank for a while. I don’t think they should be robbed just a bit of arm twisting. Also they are getting billions to clean up their mess remember. | |||
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"People need to pay more attention to what politicians do as opposed to what they say. Lowering taxes and doing more to ease inflation is what we're more bothered about. Sure do. Gaslighting has reached epic proportions! Just look at Mr “low tax” Sunak! Could easily impose a windfall tax on oil & gas companies to offset staggering price increases but oh no, can’t do that as Labour suggested it and shareholders won’t be happy. Ok then how about totting up the massive growth in VAT receipts and fuel duty to the exchequer due to rising energy prices, and cancelling the National Insurance rise in April? Oh no can’t do that as it is a Labour idea!Finally something has been done to address the nhs and social care shortfall and before its even come in labour want to scrap it i thought the nhs was their baby seems not. With the fuel crisis labour want to impose a tax on the oil companies who in turn will lead to less investment and less exploration at the very time the uk is trying to advert fuel dependency from other countries. Brilliant ideas as usual from a clueless labour party,with policies like that no wonder they concentrate on tory sleaze instead of real problems. " | |||
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"People need to pay more attention to what politicians do as opposed to what they say. Lowering taxes and doing more to ease inflation is what we're more bothered about. Sure do. Gaslighting has reached epic proportions! Just look at Mr “low tax” Sunak! Could easily impose a windfall tax on oil & gas companies to offset staggering price increases but oh no, can’t do that as Labour suggested it and shareholders won’t be happy. Ok then how about totting up the massive growth in VAT receipts and fuel duty to the exchequer due to rising energy prices, and cancelling the National Insurance rise in April? Oh no can’t do that as it is a Labour idea!Finally something has been done to address the nhs and social care shortfall and before its even come in labour want to scrap it i thought the nhs was their baby seems not. With the fuel crisis labour want to impose a tax on the oil companies who in turn will lead to less investment and less exploration at the very time the uk is trying to advert fuel dependency from other countries. Brilliant ideas as usual from a clueless labour party,with policies like that no wonder they concentrate on tory sleaze instead of real problems.
But Costa what happened to the £350m a week Brexit bonus Johnson promised us? That is £18bn a year. Are you saying it was a fantasy? Where are all those Brexit opportunities? JRM is conspicuously quiet. Must be busy counting all those benefits on his fingers.
As for the less investment argument - complete and utter twaddle. Totally spurious short termist argument. Institutional shareholders want long term revenue/dividends so won’t accept turning off the investment tap because of a windfall tax on unforecasted massive increases in profits."Hold on a minute, are you saying that Johnson is a liar and that brexit is a con! | |||
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"People need to pay more attention to what politicians do as opposed to what they say. Lowering taxes and doing more to ease inflation is what we're more bothered about. Sure do. Gaslighting has reached epic proportions! Just look at Mr “low tax” Sunak! Could easily impose a windfall tax on oil & gas companies to offset staggering price increases but oh no, can’t do that as Labour suggested it and shareholders won’t be happy. Ok then how about totting up the massive growth in VAT receipts and fuel duty to the exchequer due to rising energy prices, and cancelling the National Insurance rise in April? Oh no can’t do that as it is a Labour idea!Finally something has been done to address the nhs and social care shortfall and before its even come in labour want to scrap it i thought the nhs was their baby seems not. With the fuel crisis labour want to impose a tax on the oil companies who in turn will lead to less investment and less exploration at the very time the uk is trying to advert fuel dependency from other countries. Brilliant ideas as usual from a clueless labour party,with policies like that no wonder they concentrate on tory sleaze instead of real problems.
But Costa what happened to the £350m a week Brexit bonus Johnson promised us? That is £18bn a year. Are you saying it was a fantasy? Where are all those Brexit opportunities? JRM is conspicuously quiet. Must be busy counting all those benefits on his fingers.
As for the less investment argument - complete and utter twaddle. Totally spurious short termist argument. Institutional shareholders want long term revenue/dividends so won’t accept turning off the investment tap because of a windfall tax on unforecasted massive increases in profits.
Hold on a minute, are you saying that Johnson is a liar and that brexit is a con!
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"People need to pay more attention to what politicians do as opposed to what they say. Lowering taxes and doing more to ease inflation is what we're more bothered about. Sure do. Gaslighting has reached epic proportions! Just look at Mr “low tax” Sunak! Could easily impose a windfall tax on oil & gas companies to offset staggering price increases but oh no, can’t do that as Labour suggested it and shareholders won’t be happy. Ok then how about totting up the massive growth in VAT receipts and fuel duty to the exchequer due to rising energy prices, and cancelling the National Insurance rise in April? Oh no can’t do that as it is a Labour idea!Finally something has been done to address the nhs and social care shortfall and before its even come in labour want to scrap it i thought the nhs was their baby seems not. With the fuel crisis labour want to impose a tax on the oil companies who in turn will lead to less investment and less exploration at the very time the uk is trying to advert fuel dependency from other countries. Brilliant ideas as usual from a clueless labour party,with policies like that no wonder they concentrate on tory sleaze instead of real problems.
But Costa what happened to the £350m a week Brexit bonus Johnson promised us? That is £18bn a year. Are you saying it was a fantasy? Where are all those Brexit opportunities? JRM is conspicuously quiet. Must be busy counting all those benefits on his fingers.
As for the less investment argument - complete and utter twaddle. Totally spurious short termist argument. Institutional shareholders want long term revenue/dividends so won’t accept turning off the investment tap because of a windfall tax on unforecasted massive increases in profits."You obviously have no idea how much it costs to develop an offshore oilfield from buying the lease to production but anyway how do you plan to tax these oil companies,are you suggesting you tax global profits money made outside the uk? if thats the case i would think they would just move to another country that doesn't tax their global profits.I dont think just like the labour party you havnt actually thought it through. As for brexit benefits i dont know about where you live but its never been easier to earn money there are jobs everywhere and i was surprised to see in the boro v spurs match adverts for apprentices at the ground that never happened before brexit. | |||
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"People need to pay more attention to what politicians do as opposed to what they say. Lowering taxes and doing more to ease inflation is what we're more bothered about. Sure do. Gaslighting has reached epic proportions! Just look at Mr “low tax” Sunak! Could easily impose a windfall tax on oil & gas companies to offset staggering price increases but oh no, can’t do that as Labour suggested it and shareholders won’t be happy. Ok then how about totting up the massive growth in VAT receipts and fuel duty to the exchequer due to rising energy prices, and cancelling the National Insurance rise in April? Oh no can’t do that as it is a Labour idea!Finally something has been done to address the nhs and social care shortfall and before its even come in labour want to scrap it i thought the nhs was their baby seems not. With the fuel crisis labour want to impose a tax on the oil companies who in turn will lead to less investment and less exploration at the very time the uk is trying to advert fuel dependency from other countries. Brilliant ideas as usual from a clueless labour party,with policies like that no wonder they concentrate on tory sleaze instead of real problems.
But Costa what happened to the £350m a week Brexit bonus Johnson promised us? That is £18bn a year. Are you saying it was a fantasy? Where are all those Brexit opportunities? JRM is conspicuously quiet. Must be busy counting all those benefits on his fingers.
As for the less investment argument - complete and utter twaddle. Totally spurious short termist argument. Institutional shareholders want long term revenue/dividends so won’t accept turning off the investment tap because of a windfall tax on unforecasted massive increases in profits.You obviously have no idea how much it costs to develop an offshore oilfield from buying the lease to production but anyway how do you plan to tax these oil companies,are you suggesting you tax global profits money made outside the uk? if thats the case i would think they would just move to another country that doesn't tax their global profits.I dont think just like the labour party you havnt actually thought it through.
As for brexit benefits i dont know about where you live but its never been easier to earn money there are jobs everywhere and i was surprised to see in the boro v spurs match adverts for apprentices at the ground that never happened before brexit. "Give back those rose tinted glasses | |||
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"People need to pay more attention to what politicians do as opposed to what they say. Lowering taxes and doing more to ease inflation is what we're more bothered about. Sure do. Gaslighting has reached epic proportions! Just look at Mr “low tax” Sunak! Could easily impose a windfall tax on oil & gas companies to offset staggering price increases but oh no, can’t do that as Labour suggested it and shareholders won’t be happy. Ok then how about totting up the massive growth in VAT receipts and fuel duty to the exchequer due to rising energy prices, and cancelling the National Insurance rise in April? Oh no can’t do that as it is a Labour idea!Finally something has been done to address the nhs and social care shortfall and before its even come in labour want to scrap it i thought the nhs was their baby seems not. With the fuel crisis labour want to impose a tax on the oil companies who in turn will lead to less investment and less exploration at the very time the uk is trying to advert fuel dependency from other countries. Brilliant ideas as usual from a clueless labour party,with policies like that no wonder they concentrate on tory sleaze instead of real problems.
But Costa what happened to the £350m a week Brexit bonus Johnson promised us? That is £18bn a year. Are you saying it was a fantasy? Where are all those Brexit opportunities? JRM is conspicuously quiet. Must be busy counting all those benefits on his fingers.
As for the less investment argument - complete and utter twaddle. Totally spurious short termist argument. Institutional shareholders want long term revenue/dividends so won’t accept turning off the investment tap because of a windfall tax on unforecasted massive increases in profits.You obviously have no idea how much it costs to develop an offshore oilfield from buying the lease to production but anyway how do you plan to tax these oil companies,are you suggesting you tax global profits money made outside the uk? if thats the case i would think they would just move to another country that doesn't tax their global profits.I dont think just like the labour party you havnt actually thought it through.
As for brexit benefits i dont know about where you live but its never been easier to earn money there are jobs everywhere and i was surprised to see in the boro v spurs match adverts for apprentices at the ground that never happened before brexit. "So you didn’t answer re £350m a week? ie funding for NHS. ie Johnson declared the funding of the NHS would not require any tax or NI rises. Before you shout “pandemic” check out why we need to raise £12bn this year and whose fault that was! Re developing offshore oil fields and the cost. I assume from your response that you do know. Can you share that knowledge as keen to learn. Oh and while you are at it, tell me how many years in advance they plan and how they bake that into their cost modelling. Then explain how they did this without knowing there would be a huge additional windfall of profits due to a war impacting on energy prices and then explain how their production costs didn’t actually rise in line with wholesale price so for the most part this is almost pure profit. | |||
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"People need to pay more attention to what politicians do as opposed to what they say. Lowering taxes and doing more to ease inflation is what we're more bothered about. Sure do. Gaslighting has reached epic proportions! Just look at Mr “low tax” Sunak! Could easily impose a windfall tax on oil & gas companies to offset staggering price increases but oh no, can’t do that as Labour suggested it and shareholders won’t be happy. Ok then how about totting up the massive growth in VAT receipts and fuel duty to the exchequer due to rising energy prices, and cancelling the National Insurance rise in April? Oh no can’t do that as it is a Labour idea!Finally something has been done to address the nhs and social care shortfall and before its even come in labour want to scrap it i thought the nhs was their baby seems not. With the fuel crisis labour want to impose a tax on the oil companies who in turn will lead to less investment and less exploration at the very time the uk is trying to advert fuel dependency from other countries. Brilliant ideas as usual from a clueless labour party,with policies like that no wonder they concentrate on tory sleaze instead of real problems.
But Costa what happened to the £350m a week Brexit bonus Johnson promised us? That is £18bn a year. Are you saying it was a fantasy? Where are all those Brexit opportunities? JRM is conspicuously quiet. Must be busy counting all those benefits on his fingers.
As for the less investment argument - complete and utter twaddle. Totally spurious short termist argument. Institutional shareholders want long term revenue/dividends so won’t accept turning off the investment tap because of a windfall tax on unforecasted massive increases in profits.You obviously have no idea how much it costs to develop an offshore oilfield from buying the lease to production but anyway how do you plan to tax these oil companies,are you suggesting you tax global profits money made outside the uk? if thats the case i would think they would just move to another country that doesn't tax their global profits.I dont think just like the labour party you havnt actually thought it through.
As for brexit benefits i dont know about where you live but its never been easier to earn money there are jobs everywhere and i was surprised to see in the boro v spurs match adverts for apprentices at the ground that never happened before brexit.
So you didn’t answer re £350m a week? ie funding for NHS. ie Johnson declared the funding of the NHS would not require any tax or NI rises. Before you shout “pandemic” check out why we need to raise £12bn this year and whose fault that was!
Re developing offshore oil fields and the cost. I assume from your response that you do know. Can you share that knowledge as keen to learn. Oh and while you are at it, tell me how many years in advance they plan and how they bake that into their cost modelling. Then explain how they did this without knowing there would be a huge additional windfall of profits due to a war impacting on energy prices and then explain how their production costs didn’t actually rise in line with wholesale price so for the most part this is almost pure profit."After you tell me how you are going to get a windfall tax from global profits. | |||
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"People need to pay more attention to what politicians do as opposed to what they say. Lowering taxes and doing more to ease inflation is what we're more bothered about. Sure do. Gaslighting has reached epic proportions! Just look at Mr “low tax” Sunak! Could easily impose a windfall tax on oil & gas companies to offset staggering price increases but oh no, can’t do that as Labour suggested it and shareholders won’t be happy. Ok then how about totting up the massive growth in VAT receipts and fuel duty to the exchequer due to rising energy prices, and cancelling the National Insurance rise in April? Oh no can’t do that as it is a Labour idea!Finally something has been done to address the nhs and social care shortfall and before its even come in labour want to scrap it i thought the nhs was their baby seems not. With the fuel crisis labour want to impose a tax on the oil companies who in turn will lead to less investment and less exploration at the very time the uk is trying to advert fuel dependency from other countries. Brilliant ideas as usual from a clueless labour party,with policies like that no wonder they concentrate on tory sleaze instead of real problems.
But Costa what happened to the £350m a week Brexit bonus Johnson promised us? That is £18bn a year. Are you saying it was a fantasy? Where are all those Brexit opportunities? JRM is conspicuously quiet. Must be busy counting all those benefits on his fingers.
As for the less investment argument - complete and utter twaddle. Totally spurious short termist argument. Institutional shareholders want long term revenue/dividends so won’t accept turning off the investment tap because of a windfall tax on unforecasted massive increases in profits.You obviously have no idea how much it costs to develop an offshore oilfield from buying the lease to production but anyway how do you plan to tax these oil companies,are you suggesting you tax global profits money made outside the uk? if thats the case i would think they would just move to another country that doesn't tax their global profits.I dont think just like the labour party you havnt actually thought it through.
As for brexit benefits i dont know about where you live but its never been easier to earn money there are jobs everywhere and i was surprised to see in the boro v spurs match adverts for apprentices at the ground that never happened before brexit. "They pay tax on production from the U.K. fields and both BP and Shell are U.K. registered in the U.K. which can include foreign sales. They will not move out of the U.K. as they have generous tax breaks here. Petroleum Revenue Tax (PRT) is a tax on the profits from oil and gas production in the UK or on the UK continental shelf.. PRT only applies to fields that were approved before 16 March 1993. These are known as ‘taxable fields’. PRT was permanently zero-rated from 1 January 2016. It was not abolished because some companies still require access to their tax history for carrying back trading losses and decommissioning costs. These decommissioning costs are also being subsidised by the tax payer. Nice work if you can get it. So they are being subsidised and avoiding any serious taxes on production. They can well afford a windfall. It’s a political decision over an economic one. An advertising hoarding in the North East has saved Brexit. Great news. Can’t wait for Rees Mogg to list the rest of his successes at Accrington Stanley. . It’s exciting .
On a positive note we’ve been taking on technical apprentices for years and I have to say they have been great. It’s been a good scheme and successful for us. We do however pay them more than recommended to make sure they are enthusiastic. The minimums payable for young workers is far too low. I think that definitely puts a lot of young people off. There’s are some very clever hard working young people out there without degrees. We need more vocational investment and respect for it. | |||
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"People need to pay more attention to what politicians do as opposed to what they say. Lowering taxes and doing more to ease inflation is what we're more bothered about. Sure do. Gaslighting has reached epic proportions! Just look at Mr “low tax” Sunak! Could easily impose a windfall tax on oil & gas companies to offset staggering price increases but oh no, can’t do that as Labour suggested it and shareholders won’t be happy. Ok then how about totting up the massive growth in VAT receipts and fuel duty to the exchequer due to rising energy prices, and cancelling the National Insurance rise in April? Oh no can’t do that as it is a Labour idea!Finally something has been done to address the nhs and social care shortfall and before its even come in labour want to scrap it i thought the nhs was their baby seems not. With the fuel crisis labour want to impose a tax on the oil companies who in turn will lead to less investment and less exploration at the very time the uk is trying to advert fuel dependency from other countries. Brilliant ideas as usual from a clueless labour party,with policies like that no wonder they concentrate on tory sleaze instead of real problems.
But Costa what happened to the £350m a week Brexit bonus Johnson promised us? That is £18bn a year. Are you saying it was a fantasy? Where are all those Brexit opportunities? JRM is conspicuously quiet. Must be busy counting all those benefits on his fingers.
As for the less investment argument - complete and utter twaddle. Totally spurious short termist argument. Institutional shareholders want long term revenue/dividends so won’t accept turning off the investment tap because of a windfall tax on unforecasted massive increases in profits.You obviously have no idea how much it costs to develop an offshore oilfield from buying the lease to production but anyway how do you plan to tax these oil companies,are you suggesting you tax global profits money made outside the uk? if thats the case i would think they would just move to another country that doesn't tax their global profits.I dont think just like the labour party you havnt actually thought it through.
As for brexit benefits i dont know about where you live but its never been easier to earn money there are jobs everywhere and i was surprised to see in the boro v spurs match adverts for apprentices at the ground that never happened before brexit.
So you didn’t answer re £350m a week? ie funding for NHS. ie Johnson declared the funding of the NHS would not require any tax or NI rises. Before you shout “pandemic” check out why we need to raise £12bn this year and whose fault that was!
Re developing offshore oil fields and the cost. I assume from your response that you do know. Can you share that knowledge as keen to learn. Oh and while you are at it, tell me how many years in advance they plan and how they bake that into their cost modelling. Then explain how they did this without knowing there would be a huge additional windfall of profits due to a war impacting on energy prices and then explain how their production costs didn’t actually rise in line with wholesale price so for the most part this is almost pure profit.After you tell me how you are going to get a windfall tax from global profits."So you can’t? Disappointing, I thought I would learn something. Re your ask, see Jackal’s response. | |||
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"People need to pay more attention to what politicians do as opposed to what they say. Lowering taxes and doing more to ease inflation is what we're more bothered about. Sure do. Gaslighting has reached epic proportions! Just look at Mr “low tax” Sunak! Could easily impose a windfall tax on oil & gas companies to offset staggering price increases but oh no, can’t do that as Labour suggested it and shareholders won’t be happy. Ok then how about totting up the massive growth in VAT receipts and fuel duty to the exchequer due to rising energy prices, and cancelling the National Insurance rise in April? Oh no can’t do that as it is a Labour idea!Finally something has been done to address the nhs and social care shortfall and before its even come in labour want to scrap it i thought the nhs was their baby seems not. With the fuel crisis labour want to impose a tax on the oil companies who in turn will lead to less investment and less exploration at the very time the uk is trying to advert fuel dependency from other countries. Brilliant ideas as usual from a clueless labour party,with policies like that no wonder they concentrate on tory sleaze instead of real problems.
But Costa what happened to the £350m a week Brexit bonus Johnson promised us? That is £18bn a year. Are you saying it was a fantasy? Where are all those Brexit opportunities? JRM is conspicuously quiet. Must be busy counting all those benefits on his fingers.
As for the less investment argument - complete and utter twaddle. Totally spurious short termist argument. Institutional shareholders want long term revenue/dividends so won’t accept turning off the investment tap because of a windfall tax on unforecasted massive increases in profits.You obviously have no idea how much it costs to develop an offshore oilfield from buying the lease to production but anyway how do you plan to tax these oil companies,are you suggesting you tax global profits money made outside the uk? if thats the case i would think they would just move to another country that doesn't tax their global profits.I dont think just like the labour party you havnt actually thought it through.
As for brexit benefits i dont know about where you live but its never been easier to earn money there are jobs everywhere and i was surprised to see in the boro v spurs match adverts for apprentices at the ground that never happened before brexit.
They pay tax on production from the U.K. fields and both BP and Shell are U.K. registered in the U.K. which can include foreign sales. They will not move out of the U.K. as they have generous tax breaks here.
Petroleum Revenue Tax (PRT) is a tax on the profits from oil and gas production in the UK or on the UK continental shelf.. PRT only applies to fields that were approved before 16 March 1993. These are known as ‘taxable fields’.
PRT was permanently zero-rated from 1 January 2016. It was not abolished because some companies still require access to their tax history for carrying back trading losses and decommissioning costs. These decommissioning costs are also being subsidised by the tax payer. Nice work if you can get it.
So they are being subsidised and avoiding any serious taxes on production. They can well afford a windfall. It’s a political decision over an economic one.
An advertising hoarding in the North East has saved Brexit. Great news. Can’t wait for Rees Mogg to list the rest of his successes at Accrington Stanley. . It’s exciting .
On a positive note we’ve been taking on technical apprentices for years and I have to say they have been great. It’s been a good scheme and successful for us. We do however pay them more than recommended to make sure they are enthusiastic. The minimums payable for young workers is far too low. I think that definitely puts a lot of young people off. There’s are some very clever hard working young people out there without degrees. We need more vocational investment and respect for it. "Taxing them on overseas revenues is problematic as they already pay in the countries in which they operate. Previous windfall taxes have generally been on companies with predominantly UK based operations. Even if you could design a mechanism to do it, it would deter investment in securing the best yield from domestic fossil fuel reserves and be a raid on money that could be used to build or buy wind farms, generate hydrogen or install more electric car charging points. It would also hit pensioners pension funds. Im glad you are doing your bit for the youth of today they deserve the opportunity to learn a trade and to better themselves. I also think when you leave school and are placed with someone older who is not your teacher or parent that their values rub of on you to some extent and the demise of apprentices lead to an increase of lots of crime due to the kids having no role models. | |||
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"People need to pay more attention to what politicians do as opposed to what they say. Lowering taxes and doing more to ease inflation is what we're more bothered about. Sure do. Gaslighting has reached epic proportions! Just look at Mr “low tax” Sunak! Could easily impose a windfall tax on oil & gas companies to offset staggering price increases but oh no, can’t do that as Labour suggested it and shareholders won’t be happy. Ok then how about totting up the massive growth in VAT receipts and fuel duty to the exchequer due to rising energy prices, and cancelling the National Insurance rise in April? Oh no can’t do that as it is a Labour idea!Finally something has been done to address the nhs and social care shortfall and before its even come in labour want to scrap it i thought the nhs was their baby seems not. With the fuel crisis labour want to impose a tax on the oil companies who in turn will lead to less investment and less exploration at the very time the uk is trying to advert fuel dependency from other countries. Brilliant ideas as usual from a clueless labour party,with policies like that no wonder they concentrate on tory sleaze instead of real problems.
But Costa what happened to the £350m a week Brexit bonus Johnson promised us? That is £18bn a year. Are you saying it was a fantasy? Where are all those Brexit opportunities? JRM is conspicuously quiet. Must be busy counting all those benefits on his fingers.
As for the less investment argument - complete and utter twaddle. Totally spurious short termist argument. Institutional shareholders want long term revenue/dividends so won’t accept turning off the investment tap because of a windfall tax on unforecasted massive increases in profits.You obviously have no idea how much it costs to develop an offshore oilfield from buying the lease to production but anyway how do you plan to tax these oil companies,are you suggesting you tax global profits money made outside the uk? if thats the case i would think they would just move to another country that doesn't tax their global profits.I dont think just like the labour party you havnt actually thought it through.
As for brexit benefits i dont know about where you live but its never been easier to earn money there are jobs everywhere and i was surprised to see in the boro v spurs match adverts for apprentices at the ground that never happened before brexit.
They pay tax on production from the U.K. fields and both BP and Shell are U.K. registered in the U.K. which can include foreign sales. They will not move out of the U.K. as they have generous tax breaks here.
Petroleum Revenue Tax (PRT) is a tax on the profits from oil and gas production in the UK or on the UK continental shelf.. PRT only applies to fields that were approved before 16 March 1993. These are known as ‘taxable fields’.
PRT was permanently zero-rated from 1 January 2016. It was not abolished because some companies still require access to their tax history for carrying back trading losses and decommissioning costs. These decommissioning costs are also being subsidised by the tax payer. Nice work if you can get it.
So they are being subsidised and avoiding any serious taxes on production. They can well afford a windfall. It’s a political decision over an economic one.
An advertising hoarding in the North East has saved Brexit. Great news. Can’t wait for Rees Mogg to list the rest of his successes at Accrington Stanley. . It’s exciting .
On a positive note we’ve been taking on technical apprentices for years and I have to say they have been great. It’s been a good scheme and successful for us. We do however pay them more than recommended to make sure they are enthusiastic. The minimums payable for young workers is far too low. I think that definitely puts a lot of young people off. There’s are some very clever hard working young people out there without degrees. We need more vocational investment and respect for it. Taxing them on overseas revenues is problematic as they already pay in the countries in which they operate. Previous windfall taxes have generally been on companies with predominantly UK based operations.
Even if you could design a mechanism to do it, it would deter investment in securing the best yield from domestic fossil fuel reserves and be a raid on money that could be used to build or buy wind farms, generate hydrogen or install more electric car charging points.
It would also hit pensioners pension funds.
Im glad you are doing your bit for the youth of today they deserve the opportunity to learn a trade and to better themselves. I also think when you leave school and are placed with someone older who is not your teacher or parent that their values rub of on you to some extent and the demise of apprentices lead to an increase of lots of crime due to the kids having no role models.
"It is problematic but because you have such generous tax breaks here the oil companies move profits here . It’s like Amazon and Starbucks moving profit to Ireland or Maersk to Denmark. The U.K. is oil company friendly. Remember the north sea still generates huge revenues so they won’t stop investing if they can make huge profits still. The level of windfall will not damage the pension by any great amount as a percentage and if it’s a private pension on top of a state then sorry I think the ones struggling to feed their kids come first. Can only agree with your last comment. I genuinely think it needs more support. They must stop the low pay rates though. 18/19 year olds can earn more labouring so it must pay at least that. I like the German two stream education system which gives equal support and credit to both academic and vocational students . They have a well educated and skilled workforce as a result. That’s half the work done if you can generate jobs for them. | |||
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"People need to pay more attention to what politicians do as opposed to what they say. Lowering taxes and doing more to ease inflation is what we're more bothered about. Sure do. Gaslighting has reached epic proportions! Just look at Mr “low tax” Sunak! Could easily impose a windfall tax on oil & gas companies to offset staggering price increases but oh no, can’t do that as Labour suggested it and shareholders won’t be happy. Ok then how about totting up the massive growth in VAT receipts and fuel duty to the exchequer due to rising energy prices, and cancelling the National Insurance rise in April? Oh no can’t do that as it is a Labour idea!Finally something has been done to address the nhs and social care shortfall and before its even come in labour want to scrap it i thought the nhs was their baby seems not. With the fuel crisis labour want to impose a tax on the oil companies who in turn will lead to less investment and less exploration at the very time the uk is trying to advert fuel dependency from other countries. Brilliant ideas as usual from a clueless labour party,with policies like that no wonder they concentrate on tory sleaze instead of real problems.
But Costa what happened to the £350m a week Brexit bonus Johnson promised us? That is £18bn a year. Are you saying it was a fantasy? Where are all those Brexit opportunities? JRM is conspicuously quiet. Must be busy counting all those benefits on his fingers.
As for the less investment argument - complete and utter twaddle. Totally spurious short termist argument. Institutional shareholders want long term revenue/dividends so won’t accept turning off the investment tap because of a windfall tax on unforecasted massive increases in profits.You obviously have no idea how much it costs to develop an offshore oilfield from buying the lease to production but anyway how do you plan to tax these oil companies,are you suggesting you tax global profits money made outside the uk? if thats the case i would think they would just move to another country that doesn't tax their global profits.I dont think just like the labour party you havnt actually thought it through.
As for brexit benefits i dont know about where you live but its never been easier to earn money there are jobs everywhere and i was surprised to see in the boro v spurs match adverts for apprentices at the ground that never happened before brexit. "Lol, so your saying the labour shortage is a brexit benefit? Does this outweigh the vast catalogue of catastrophic impacts on the economy and the loss of our freedom of movement in the EU? | |||
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"People need to pay more attention to what politicians do as opposed to what they say. Lowering taxes and doing more to ease inflation is what we're more bothered about. Sure do. Gaslighting has reached epic proportions! Just look at Mr “low tax” Sunak! Could easily impose a windfall tax on oil & gas companies to offset staggering price increases but oh no, can’t do that as Labour suggested it and shareholders won’t be happy. Ok then how about totting up the massive growth in VAT receipts and fuel duty to the exchequer due to rising energy prices, and cancelling the National Insurance rise in April? Oh no can’t do that as it is a Labour idea!Finally something has been done to address the nhs and social care shortfall and before its even come in labour want to scrap it i thought the nhs was their baby seems not. With the fuel crisis labour want to impose a tax on the oil companies who in turn will lead to less investment and less exploration at the very time the uk is trying to advert fuel dependency from other countries. Brilliant ideas as usual from a clueless labour party,with policies like that no wonder they concentrate on tory sleaze instead of real problems.
But Costa what happened to the £350m a week Brexit bonus Johnson promised us? That is £18bn a year. Are you saying it was a fantasy? Where are all those Brexit opportunities? JRM is conspicuously quiet. Must be busy counting all those benefits on his fingers.
As for the less investment argument - complete and utter twaddle. Totally spurious short termist argument. Institutional shareholders want long term revenue/dividends so won’t accept turning off the investment tap because of a windfall tax on unforecasted massive increases in profits.You obviously have no idea how much it costs to develop an offshore oilfield from buying the lease to production but anyway how do you plan to tax these oil companies,are you suggesting you tax global profits money made outside the uk? if thats the case i would think they would just move to another country that doesn't tax their global profits.I dont think just like the labour party you havnt actually thought it through.
As for brexit benefits i dont know about where you live but its never been easier to earn money there are jobs everywhere and i was surprised to see in the boro v spurs match adverts for apprentices at the ground that never happened before brexit. "How did you connect apprentiships with Brexit? LOL | |||
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"Couldn't give a toss about media misquoting Boris to try and damage him. We would rather they gave more scrutiny of the talk about potentially raising the state pension age to 70. Then again, that might actually raise awareness for an issue that effects us all as opposed to keeping us divided and aregue amongst ourselves.... " Cause and effect. Brexit stops the tax being collected from multinational companies ( JCB, Amazon for example) and also rich individuals. If the tax burden falls heavier on the lower income families they can only afford so much. So unless the government want to re-possess every home owner’s house they will have to make you work longer to pay more tax. Good this Brexit stuff isn’t it. Your vitriol towards others telling you the king doesn’t have any clothes on is sadly misguided. Read some unbiased stuff rather than Tory mantra. ( this from a former Tory voter) | |||
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"Couldn't give a toss about media misquoting Boris to try and damage him. We would rather they gave more scrutiny of the talk about potentially raising the state pension age to 70. Then again, that might actually raise awareness for an issue that effects us all as opposed to keeping us divided and aregue amongst ourselves.... Cause and effect. Brexit stops the tax being collected from multinational companies ( JCB, Amazon for example) and also rich individuals. If the tax burden falls heavier on the lower income families they can only afford so much. So unless the government want to re-possess every home owner’s house they will have to make you work longer to pay more tax. Good this Brexit stuff isn’t it. Your vitriol towards others telling you the king doesn’t have any clothes on is sadly misguided. Read some unbiased stuff rather than Tory mantra. ( this from a former Tory voter) " . As most members of the public using Amazon want to buy their goods as cheaply as possibly I cannot see many rational people wanting taxes increased the net effect being that the goods which they purchase will be more expensive . Amazon have done a fantastic job for many consumers in the UK , and many other businnesses have thrived on their success. Why penalise people for success. JCB are another example of a company who have done a great job for both farming and the construction business. I cannot see many members of the public having any concern about how much tax these organisations pay. I don't think you will find the Bamford family claiming benefits. In addition to paying more than their fair share of tax , they provide employment for thousands of people. | |||
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"Couldn't give a toss about media misquoting Boris to try and damage him. We would rather they gave more scrutiny of the talk about potentially raising the state pension age to 70. Then again, that might actually raise awareness for an issue that effects us all as opposed to keeping us divided and aregue amongst ourselves.... Cause and effect. Brexit stops the tax being collected from multinational companies ( JCB, Amazon for example) and also rich individuals. If the tax burden falls heavier on the lower income families they can only afford so much. So unless the government want to re-possess every home owner’s house they will have to make you work longer to pay more tax. Good this Brexit stuff isn’t it. Your vitriol towards others telling you the king doesn’t have any clothes on is sadly misguided. Read some unbiased stuff rather than Tory mantra. ( this from a former Tory voter) . As most members of the public using Amazon want to buy their goods as cheaply as possibly I cannot see many rational people wanting taxes increased the net effect being that the goods which they purchase will be more expensive . Amazon have done a fantastic job for many consumers in the UK , and many other businnesses have thrived on their success. Why penalise people for success. JCB are another example of a company who have done a great job for both farming and the construction business. I cannot see many members of the public having any concern about how much tax these organisations pay. I don't think you will find the Bamford family claiming benefits. In addition to paying more than their fair share of tax , they provide employment for thousands of people. " For every job in online retail it’s around four jobs lost in retail elsewhere. So those people who are praising the tax free savings and benefitting today will be worse off eventually so whilst you can’t stop progress you can level up the tax regime to make it fairer for the high streets to compete. Jeff Bezos is so amazingly rich because Amazon avoids tax in high rate countries. As for JCB the main backer of Brexit there are a lot of jobs involved true, but why should his workers pay their tax and Bamford can move £500m out of the country in one lump to avoid personal tax? He should pay like everyone else. He should pay 45% which is the highest PAYE but no more. Success will still see him keep more than most. So reward indeed. JCB pushed for Brexit because Bamfird doesn’t want to pay UK tax. He claims the new markets around the world are the future. Maybe they are as JCB exports to China rose dramatically so what did they do in their claimed drive to grow in Britain ? Well rather than employ more people in the U.K. they built a factory in China. How exactly does that help uk jobs and exports. To say people don’t care is ridiculous . The loss of tax revenue directly affects the governments ability to build and pay for such things as hospitals or supply drugs on the NHS. So when people are declined a cancer treatment because the NHS can’t afford the drugs I’m sure they won’t care as you say. Also if there’s less money in the pot more people will be working later and having to sell their homes to pay for their care. But it’s ok as they won’t mind Lord Bamford keeping his billions . The owner of the Daily Mail who also doesn’t pay tax even though he was born here and lives here will blame it on benefit cheats, and yet he cheats us all out of hundreds of millions. You’re rose coloured slavish view is worrying. You really should look a little closer at the reality of the damage tax avoidance does in this country. Cumulatively it runs into hundreds of billions lost to offshore accounts. The major players trot out they pay hundreds of millions each year in tax. The tax they quote is the employment tax and business rates. The real tax bills are avoided by moving the funds abroad. Ireland’s GDP is way higher than it should be due to a low tax regime attaching the likes of Amazon, Starbucks, Google etc. As I said cause and effect. | |||
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"Couldn't give a toss about media misquoting Boris to try and damage him. We would rather they gave more scrutiny of the talk about potentially raising the state pension age to 70. Then again, that might actually raise awareness for an issue that effects us all as opposed to keeping us divided and aregue amongst ourselves.... Cause and effect. Brexit stops the tax being collected from multinational companies ( JCB, Amazon for example) and also rich individuals. If the tax burden falls heavier on the lower income families they can only afford so much. So unless the government want to re-possess every home owner’s house they will have to make you work longer to pay more tax. Good this Brexit stuff isn’t it. Your vitriol towards others telling you the king doesn’t have any clothes on is sadly misguided. Read some unbiased stuff rather than Tory mantra. ( this from a former Tory voter) . As most members of the public using Amazon want to buy their goods as cheaply as possibly I cannot see many rational people wanting taxes increased the net effect being that the goods which they purchase will be more expensive . Amazon have done a fantastic job for many consumers in the UK , and many other businnesses have thrived on their success. Why penalise people for success. JCB are another example of a company who have done a great job for both farming and the construction business. I cannot see many members of the public having any concern about how much tax these organisations pay. I don't think you will find the Bamford family claiming benefits. In addition to paying more than their fair share of tax , they provide employment for thousands of people. For every job in online retail it’s around four jobs lost in retail elsewhere. So those people who are praising the tax free savings and benefitting today will be worse off eventually so whilst you can’t stop progress you can level up the tax regime to make it fairer for the high streets to compete. Jeff Bezos is so amazingly rich because Amazon avoids tax in high rate countries. As for JCB the main backer of Brexit there are a lot of jobs involved true, but why should his workers pay their tax and Bamford can move £500m out of the country in one lump to avoid personal tax? He should pay like everyone else. He should pay 45% which is the highest PAYE but no more. Success will still see him keep more than most. So reward indeed. JCB pushed for Brexit because Bamfird doesn’t want to pay UK tax. He claims the new markets around the world are the future. Maybe they are as JCB exports to China rose dramatically so what did they do in their claimed drive to grow in Britain ? Well rather than employ more people in the U.K. they built a factory in China. How exactly does that help uk jobs and exports. To say people don’t care is ridiculous . The loss of tax revenue directly affects the governments ability to build and pay for such things as hospitals or supply drugs on the NHS. So when people are declined a cancer treatment because the NHS can’t afford the drugs I’m sure they won’t care as you say. Also if there’s less money in the pot more people will be working later and having to sell their homes to pay for their care. But it’s ok as they won’t mind Lord Bamford keeping his billions . The owner of the Daily Mail who also doesn’t pay tax even though he was born here and lives here will blame it on benefit cheats, and yet he cheats us all out of hundreds of millions. You’re rose coloured slavish view is worrying. You really should look a little closer at the reality of the damage tax avoidance does in this country. Cumulatively it runs into hundreds of billions lost to offshore accounts. The major players trot out they pay hundreds of millions each year in tax. The tax they quote is the employment tax and business rates. The real tax bills are avoided by moving the funds abroad. Ireland’s GDP is way higher than it should be due to a low tax regime attaching the likes of Amazon, Starbucks, Google etc. As I said cause and effect. " Couldn’t have put it better | |||
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"Couldn't give a toss about media misquoting Boris to try and damage him. We would rather they gave more scrutiny of the talk about potentially raising the state pension age to 70. Then again, that might actually raise awareness for an issue that effects us all as opposed to keeping us divided and aregue amongst ourselves.... Cause and effect. Brexit stops the tax being collected from multinational companies ( JCB, Amazon for example) and also rich individuals. If the tax burden falls heavier on the lower income families they can only afford so much. So unless the government want to re-possess every home owner’s house they will have to make you work longer to pay more tax. Good this Brexit stuff isn’t it. Your vitriol towards others telling you the king doesn’t have any clothes on is sadly misguided. Read some unbiased stuff rather than Tory mantra. ( this from a former Tory voter) . As most members of the public using Amazon want to buy their goods as cheaply as possibly I cannot see many rational people wanting taxes increased the net effect being that the goods which they purchase will be more expensive . Amazon have done a fantastic job for many consumers in the UK , and many other businnesses have thrived on their success. Why penalise people for success. JCB are another example of a company who have done a great job for both farming and the construction business. I cannot see many members of the public having any concern about how much tax these organisations pay. I don't think you will find the Bamford family claiming benefits. In addition to paying more than their fair share of tax , they provide employment for thousands of people. For every job in online retail it’s around four jobs lost in retail elsewhere. So those people who are praising the tax free savings and benefitting today will be worse off eventually so whilst you can’t stop progress you can level up the tax regime to make it fairer for the high streets to compete. Jeff Bezos is so amazingly rich because Amazon avoids tax in high rate countries. As for JCB the main backer of Brexit there are a lot of jobs involved true, but why should his workers pay their tax and Bamford can move £500m out of the country in one lump to avoid personal tax? He should pay like everyone else. He should pay 45% which is the highest PAYE but no more. Success will still see him keep more than most. So reward indeed. JCB pushed for Brexit because Bamfird doesn’t want to pay UK tax. He claims the new markets around the world are the future. Maybe they are as JCB exports to China rose dramatically so what did they do in their claimed drive to grow in Britain ? Well rather than employ more people in the U.K. they built a factory in China. How exactly does that help uk jobs and exports. To say people don’t care is ridiculous . The loss of tax revenue directly affects the governments ability to build and pay for such things as hospitals or supply drugs on the NHS. So when people are declined a cancer treatment because the NHS can’t afford the drugs I’m sure they won’t care as you say. Also if there’s less money in the pot more people will be working later and having to sell their homes to pay for their care. But it’s ok as they won’t mind Lord Bamford keeping his billions . The owner of the Daily Mail who also doesn’t pay tax even though he was born here and lives here will blame it on benefit cheats, and yet he cheats us all out of hundreds of millions. You’re rose coloured slavish view is worrying. You really should look a little closer at the reality of the damage tax avoidance does in this country. Cumulatively it runs into hundreds of billions lost to offshore accounts. The major players trot out they pay hundreds of millions each year in tax. The tax they quote is the employment tax and business rates. The real tax bills are avoided by moving the funds abroad. Ireland’s GDP is way higher than it should be due to a low tax regime attaching the likes of Amazon, Starbucks, Google etc. As I said cause and effect. " It looks like Lord Bamford paid more than his fair share of tax .Most people are extremely grateful for his contribution . You cannot simply move money around to avoid tax . There are strict rules to be followed and in any event JCB is a global organisation so you would expect transfers of money Not only is Lord Bamford one of the highest tax payers , he has revolutionised the construction industry and many people can now avoid sprained necks and backs due to JCB telehandlers . Quote as below 10. Lord Bamford and family (2019 wealth: £4,150m; tax: £58m) Sales of JCB’s iconic yellow diggers are booming, luckily for Bamford, who was born on the day his father, Joseph, set up the Staffordshire company from his garage. The 74-year-old makes the top ten of The Sunday Times’ list. | |||
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"Couldn't give a toss about media misquoting Boris to try and damage him. We would rather they gave more scrutiny of the talk about potentially raising the state pension age to 70. Then again, that might actually raise awareness for an issue that effects us all as opposed to keeping us divided and aregue amongst ourselves.... Cause and effect. Brexit stops the tax being collected from multinational companies ( JCB, Amazon for example) and also rich individuals. If the tax burden falls heavier on the lower income families they can only afford so much. So unless the government want to re-possess every home owner’s house they will have to make you work longer to pay more tax. Good this Brexit stuff isn’t it. Your vitriol towards others telling you the king doesn’t have any clothes on is sadly misguided. Read some unbiased stuff rather than Tory mantra. ( this from a former Tory voter) . As most members of the public using Amazon want to buy their goods as cheaply as possibly I cannot see many rational people wanting taxes increased the net effect being that the goods which they purchase will be more expensive . Amazon have done a fantastic job for many consumers in the UK , and many other businnesses have thrived on their success. Why penalise people for success. JCB are another example of a company who have done a great job for both farming and the construction business. I cannot see many members of the public having any concern about how much tax these organisations pay. I don't think you will find the Bamford family claiming benefits. In addition to paying more than their fair share of tax , they provide employment for thousands of people. For every job in online retail it’s around four jobs lost in retail elsewhere. So those people who are praising the tax free savings and benefitting today will be worse off eventually so whilst you can’t stop progress you can level up the tax regime to make it fairer for the high streets to compete. Jeff Bezos is so amazingly rich because Amazon avoids tax in high rate countries. As for JCB the main backer of Brexit there are a lot of jobs involved true, but why should his workers pay their tax and Bamford can move £500m out of the country in one lump to avoid personal tax? He should pay like everyone else. He should pay 45% which is the highest PAYE but no more. Success will still see him keep more than most. So reward indeed. JCB pushed for Brexit because Bamfird doesn’t want to pay UK tax. He claims the new markets around the world are the future. Maybe they are as JCB exports to China rose dramatically so what did they do in their claimed drive to grow in Britain ? Well rather than employ more people in the U.K. they built a factory in China. How exactly does that help uk jobs and exports. To say people don’t care is ridiculous . The loss of tax revenue directly affects the governments ability to build and pay for such things as hospitals or supply drugs on the NHS. So when people are declined a cancer treatment because the NHS can’t afford the drugs I’m sure they won’t care as you say. Also if there’s less money in the pot more people will be working later and having to sell their homes to pay for their care. But it’s ok as they won’t mind Lord Bamford keeping his billions . The owner of the Daily Mail who also doesn’t pay tax even though he was born here and lives here will blame it on benefit cheats, and yet he cheats us all out of hundreds of millions. You’re rose coloured slavish view is worrying. You really should look a little closer at the reality of the damage tax avoidance does in this country. Cumulatively it runs into hundreds of billions lost to offshore accounts. The major players trot out they pay hundreds of millions each year in tax. The tax they quote is the employment tax and business rates. The real tax bills are avoided by moving the funds abroad. Ireland’s GDP is way higher than it should be due to a low tax regime attaching the likes of Amazon, Starbucks, Google etc. As I said cause and effect. It looks like Lord Bamford paid more than his fair share of tax .Most people are extremely grateful for his contribution . You cannot simply move money around to avoid tax . There are strict rules to be followed and in any event JCB is a global organisation so you would expect transfers of money Not only is Lord Bamford one of the highest tax payers , he has revolutionised the construction industry and many people can now avoid sprained necks and backs due to JCB telehandlers . Quote as below 10. Lord Bamford and family (2019 wealth: £4,150m; tax: £58m) Sales of JCB’s iconic yellow diggers are booming, luckily for Bamford, who was born on the day his father, Joseph, set up the Staffordshire company from his garage. The 74-year-old makes the top ten of The Sunday Times’ list. " | |||
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"Couldn't give a toss about media misquoting Boris to try and damage him. We would rather they gave more scrutiny of the talk about potentially raising the state pension age to 70. Then again, that might actually raise awareness for an issue that effects us all as opposed to keeping us divided and aregue amongst ourselves.... Cause and effect. Brexit stops the tax being collected from multinational companies ( JCB, Amazon for example) and also rich individuals. If the tax burden falls heavier on the lower income families they can only afford so much. So unless the government want to re-possess every home owner’s house they will have to make you work longer to pay more tax. Good this Brexit stuff isn’t it. Your vitriol towards others telling you the king doesn’t have any clothes on is sadly misguided. Read some unbiased stuff rather than Tory mantra. ( this from a former Tory voter) . As most members of the public using Amazon want to buy their goods as cheaply as possibly I cannot see many rational people wanting taxes increased the net effect being that the goods which they purchase will be more expensive . Amazon have done a fantastic job for many consumers in the UK , and many other businnesses have thrived on their success. Why penalise people for success. JCB are another example of a company who have done a great job for both farming and the construction business. I cannot see many members of the public having any concern about how much tax these organisations pay. I don't think you will find the Bamford family claiming benefits. In addition to paying more than their fair share of tax , they provide employment for thousands of people. For every job in online retail it’s around four jobs lost in retail elsewhere. So those people who are praising the tax free savings and benefitting today will be worse off eventually so whilst you can’t stop progress you can level up the tax regime to make it fairer for the high streets to compete. Jeff Bezos is so amazingly rich because Amazon avoids tax in high rate countries. As for JCB the main backer of Brexit there are a lot of jobs involved true, but why should his workers pay their tax and Bamford can move £500m out of the country in one lump to avoid personal tax? He should pay like everyone else. He should pay 45% which is the highest PAYE but no more. Success will still see him keep more than most. So reward indeed. JCB pushed for Brexit because Bamfird doesn’t want to pay UK tax. He claims the new markets around the world are the future. Maybe they are as JCB exports to China rose dramatically so what did they do in their claimed drive to grow in Britain ? Well rather than employ more people in the U.K. they built a factory in China. How exactly does that help uk jobs and exports. To say people don’t care is ridiculous . The loss of tax revenue directly affects the governments ability to build and pay for such things as hospitals or supply drugs on the NHS. So when people are declined a cancer treatment because the NHS can’t afford the drugs I’m sure they won’t care as you say. Also if there’s less money in the pot more people will be working later and having to sell their homes to pay for their care. But it’s ok as they won’t mind Lord Bamford keeping his billions . The owner of the Daily Mail who also doesn’t pay tax even though he was born here and lives here will blame it on benefit cheats, and yet he cheats us all out of hundreds of millions. You’re rose coloured slavish view is worrying. You really should look a little closer at the reality of the damage tax avoidance does in this country. Cumulatively it runs into hundreds of billions lost to offshore accounts. The major players trot out they pay hundreds of millions each year in tax. The tax they quote is the employment tax and business rates. The real tax bills are avoided by moving the funds abroad. Ireland’s GDP is way higher than it should be due to a low tax regime attaching the likes of Amazon, Starbucks, Google etc. As I said cause and effect. It looks like Lord Bamford paid more than his fair share of tax .Most people are extremely grateful for his contribution . You cannot simply move money around to avoid tax . There are strict rules to be followed and in any event JCB is a global organisation so you would expect transfers of money Not only is Lord Bamford one of the highest tax payers , he has revolutionised the construction industry and many people can now avoid sprained necks and backs due to JCB telehandlers . Quote as below 10. Lord Bamford and family (2019 wealth: £4,150m; tax: £58m) Sales of JCB’s iconic yellow diggers are booming, luckily for Bamford, who was born on the day his father, Joseph, set up the Staffordshire company from his garage. The 74-year-old makes the top ten of The Sunday Times’ list. " Was this copied and pasted from one of those satirical news sites like NewsThump or DailyMail? | |||
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"Couldn't give a toss about media misquoting Boris to try and damage him. We would rather they gave more scrutiny of the talk about potentially raising the state pension age to 70. Then again, that might actually raise awareness for an issue that effects us all as opposed to keeping us divided and aregue amongst ourselves.... Cause and effect. Brexit stops the tax being collected from multinational companies ( JCB, Amazon for example) and also rich individuals. If the tax burden falls heavier on the lower income families they can only afford so much. So unless the government want to re-possess every home owner’s house they will have to make you work longer to pay more tax. Good this Brexit stuff isn’t it. Your vitriol towards others telling you the king doesn’t have any clothes on is sadly misguided. Read some unbiased stuff rather than Tory mantra. ( this from a former Tory voter) . As most members of the public using Amazon want to buy their goods as cheaply as possibly I cannot see many rational people wanting taxes increased the net effect being that the goods which they purchase will be more expensive . Amazon have done a fantastic job for many consumers in the UK , and many other businnesses have thrived on their success. Why penalise people for success. JCB are another example of a company who have done a great job for both farming and the construction business. I cannot see many members of the public having any concern about how much tax these organisations pay. I don't think you will find the Bamford family claiming benefits. In addition to paying more than their fair share of tax , they provide employment for thousands of people. For every job in online retail it’s around four jobs lost in retail elsewhere. So those people who are praising the tax free savings and benefitting today will be worse off eventually so whilst you can’t stop progress you can level up the tax regime to make it fairer for the high streets to compete. Jeff Bezos is so amazingly rich because Amazon avoids tax in high rate countries. As for JCB the main backer of Brexit there are a lot of jobs involved true, but why should his workers pay their tax and Bamford can move £500m out of the country in one lump to avoid personal tax? He should pay like everyone else. He should pay 45% which is the highest PAYE but no more. Success will still see him keep more than most. So reward indeed. JCB pushed for Brexit because Bamfird doesn’t want to pay UK tax. He claims the new markets around the world are the future. Maybe they are as JCB exports to China rose dramatically so what did they do in their claimed drive to grow in Britain ? Well rather than employ more people in the U.K. they built a factory in China. How exactly does that help uk jobs and exports. To say people don’t care is ridiculous . The loss of tax revenue directly affects the governments ability to build and pay for such things as hospitals or supply drugs on the NHS. So when people are declined a cancer treatment because the NHS can’t afford the drugs I’m sure they won’t care as you say. Also if there’s less money in the pot more people will be working later and having to sell their homes to pay for their care. But it’s ok as they won’t mind Lord Bamford keeping his billions . The owner of the Daily Mail who also doesn’t pay tax even though he was born here and lives here will blame it on benefit cheats, and yet he cheats us all out of hundreds of millions. You’re rose coloured slavish view is worrying. You really should look a little closer at the reality of the damage tax avoidance does in this country. Cumulatively it runs into hundreds of billions lost to offshore accounts. The major players trot out they pay hundreds of millions each year in tax. The tax they quote is the employment tax and business rates. The real tax bills are avoided by moving the funds abroad. Ireland’s GDP is way higher than it should be due to a low tax regime attaching the likes of Amazon, Starbucks, Google etc. As I said cause and effect. It looks like Lord Bamford paid more than his fair share of tax .Most people are extremely grateful for his contribution . You cannot simply move money around to avoid tax . There are strict rules to be followed and in any event JCB is a global organisation so you would expect transfers of money Not only is Lord Bamford one of the highest tax payers , he has revolutionised the construction industry and many people can now avoid sprained necks and backs due to JCB telehandlers . Quote as below 10. Lord Bamford and family (2019 wealth: £4,150m; tax: £58m) Sales of JCB’s iconic yellow diggers are booming, luckily for Bamford, who was born on the day his father, Joseph, set up the Staffordshire company from his garage. The 74-year-old makes the top ten of The Sunday Times’ list. " Now do your own research and look at the transfer of £500m through Luxembourg discovered by journalists. The figures above are turnover of JCB and total tax paid ( including PAYE) Corporation tax was just £5m The profit EBITDA was £228m in the middle of lock down so not a great year. I haven’t seen their write downs so the figures are very rough but £5m seems very low even for poor figures. The personal family holdings of £6B cash held in the Caribbean have just been moved to Switzerland to avoid the changes being made there. They paid no tax on that £6B and don’t pay tax on the huge amounts of interest. . So each year the tax avoided money grows even bigger. Imagine you not paying tax on your wages and think how much wealthier you would soon get. Also try to calculate if he’s earning that sort of cash for his offshore trust is he paying 45% like those in PAYE. You seem to think I’m expecting him to pay more than anyone else . Im not I’m expecting him to pay the same percentage as workers do. As for money transfers there’s a huge difference between investment or general operating costs and the creating of invoices to move profits out of the reach of HMRC. The reason we know the numbers is because it legal to do so. Bamford can pay virtually no tax on hundreds of millions and yet an employee on a high wage pays 45% The EU wanted to stop the avoidance. Hence Bamford pushing for Brexit. He’s in the top ten richest . See if he personally is in the top ten tax payers . Think you will find that’s a definite no! As for being an iconic company I totally agree. Amazing business man creating a world icon, however he is a leading tax avoider. Think of the hundreds of billions given away each year by this method. The fact you pay a higher proportion of your wages on tax is because others don’t pay any. I’m not criticising the likes of Bamford for using the system. I’m criticising the government for letting it happen. I bet Bamford’s jets wouldn’t be leant to Boris if he decided to close the avoidance route. You really do need to stop reading the tabloid shit printed by the likes of Lord Harmsworth as he is also a huge tax avoider and just see for yourself how bad this is. Hundreds of billions have been handed out in benefits to a very select few. Think about that the next time they go on about the people on benefits . That cumulative tax would cover social care for the elderly ten times over. It’s just wrong. Legal but wrong. | |||
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"Couldn't give a toss about media misquoting Boris to try and damage him. We would rather they gave more scrutiny of the talk about potentially raising the state pension age to 70. Then again, that might actually raise awareness for an issue that effects us all as opposed to keeping us divided and aregue amongst ourselves.... Cause and effect. Brexit stops the tax being collected from multinational companies ( JCB, Amazon for example) and also rich individuals. If the tax burden falls heavier on the lower income families they can only afford so much. So unless the government want to re-possess every home owner’s house they will have to make you work longer to pay more tax. Good this Brexit stuff isn’t it. Your vitriol towards others telling you the king doesn’t have any clothes on is sadly misguided. Read some unbiased stuff rather than Tory mantra. ( this from a former Tory voter) . As most members of the public using Amazon want to buy their goods as cheaply as possibly I cannot see many rational people wanting taxes increased the net effect being that the goods which they purchase will be more expensive . Amazon have done a fantastic job for many consumers in the UK , and many other businnesses have thrived on their success. Why penalise people for success. JCB are another example of a company who have done a great job for both farming and the construction business. I cannot see many members of the public having any concern about how much tax these organisations pay. I don't think you will find the Bamford family claiming benefits. In addition to paying more than their fair share of tax , they provide employment for thousands of people. For every job in online retail it’s around four jobs lost in retail elsewhere. So those people who are praising the tax free savings and benefitting today will be worse off eventually so whilst you can’t stop progress you can level up the tax regime to make it fairer for the high streets to compete. Jeff Bezos is so amazingly rich because Amazon avoids tax in high rate countries. As for JCB the main backer of Brexit there are a lot of jobs involved true, but why should his workers pay their tax and Bamford can move £500m out of the country in one lump to avoid personal tax? He should pay like everyone else. He should pay 45% which is the highest PAYE but no more. Success will still see him keep more than most. So reward indeed. JCB pushed for Brexit because Bamfird doesn’t want to pay UK tax. He claims the new markets around the world are the future. Maybe they are as JCB exports to China rose dramatically so what did they do in their claimed drive to grow in Britain ? Well rather than employ more people in the U.K. they built a factory in China. How exactly does that help uk jobs and exports. To say people don’t care is ridiculous . The loss of tax revenue directly affects the governments ability to build and pay for such things as hospitals or supply drugs on the NHS. So when people are declined a cancer treatment because the NHS can’t afford the drugs I’m sure they won’t care as you say. Also if there’s less money in the pot more people will be working later and having to sell their homes to pay for their care. But it’s ok as they won’t mind Lord Bamford keeping his billions . The owner of the Daily Mail who also doesn’t pay tax even though he was born here and lives here will blame it on benefit cheats, and yet he cheats us all out of hundreds of millions. You’re rose coloured slavish view is worrying. You really should look a little closer at the reality of the damage tax avoidance does in this country. Cumulatively it runs into hundreds of billions lost to offshore accounts. The major players trot out they pay hundreds of millions each year in tax. The tax they quote is the employment tax and business rates. The real tax bills are avoided by moving the funds abroad. Ireland’s GDP is way higher than it should be due to a low tax regime attaching the likes of Amazon, Starbucks, Google etc. As I said cause and effect. It looks like Lord Bamford paid more than his fair share of tax .Most people are extremely grateful for his contribution . You cannot simply move money around to avoid tax . There are strict rules to be followed and in any event JCB is a global organisation so you would expect transfers of money Not only is Lord Bamford one of the highest tax payers , he has revolutionised the construction industry and many people can now avoid sprained necks and backs due to JCB telehandlers . Quote as below 10. Lord Bamford and family (2019 wealth: £4,150m; tax: £58m) Sales of JCB’s iconic yellow diggers are booming, luckily for Bamford, who was born on the day his father, Joseph, set up the Staffordshire company from his garage. The 74-year-old makes the top ten of The Sunday Times’ list. Now do your own research and look at the transfer of £500m through Luxembourg discovered by journalists. The figures above are turnover of JCB and total tax paid ( including PAYE) Corporation tax was just £5m The profit EBITDA was £228m in the middle of lock down so not a great year. I haven’t seen their write downs so the figures are very rough but £5m seems very low even for poor figures. The personal family holdings of £6B cash held in the Caribbean have just been moved to Switzerland to avoid the changes being made there. They paid no tax on that £6B and don’t pay tax on the huge amounts of interest. . So each year the tax avoided money grows even bigger. Imagine you not paying tax on your wages and think how much wealthier you would soon get. Also try to calculate if he’s earning that sort of cash for his offshore trust is he paying 45% like those in PAYE. You seem to think I’m expecting him to pay more than anyone else . Im not I’m expecting him to pay the same percentage as workers do. As for money transfers there’s a huge difference between investment or general operating costs and the creating of invoices to move profits out of the reach of HMRC. The reason we know the numbers is because it legal to do so. Bamford can pay virtually no tax on hundreds of millions and yet an employee on a high wage pays 45% The EU wanted to stop the avoidance. Hence Bamford pushing for Brexit. He’s in the top ten richest . See if he personally is in the top ten tax payers . Think you will find that’s a definite no! As for being an iconic company I totally agree. Amazing business man creating a world icon, however he is a leading tax avoider. Think of the hundreds of billions given away each year by this method. The fact you pay a higher proportion of your wages on tax is because others don’t pay any. I’m not criticising the likes of Bamford for using the system. I’m criticising the government for letting it happen. I bet Bamford’s jets wouldn’t be leant to Boris if he decided to close the avoidance route. You really do need to stop reading the tabloid shit printed by the likes of Lord Harmsworth as he is also a huge tax avoider and just see for yourself how bad this is. Hundreds of billions have been handed out in benefits to a very select few. Think about that the next time they go on about the people on benefits . That cumulative tax would cover social care for the elderly ten times over. It’s just wrong. Legal but wrong. " Well said | |||
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"Couldn't give a toss about media misquoting Boris to try and damage him. We would rather they gave more scrutiny of the talk about potentially raising the state pension age to 70. Then again, that might actually raise awareness for an issue that effects us all as opposed to keeping us divided and aregue amongst ourselves.... Cause and effect. Brexit stops the tax being collected from multinational companies ( JCB, Amazon for example) and also rich individuals. If the tax burden falls heavier on the lower income families they can only afford so much. So unless the government want to re-possess every home owner’s house they will have to make you work longer to pay more tax. Good this Brexit stuff isn’t it. Your vitriol towards others telling you the king doesn’t have any clothes on is sadly misguided. Read some unbiased stuff rather than Tory mantra. ( this from a former Tory voter) . As most members of the public using Amazon want to buy their goods as cheaply as possibly I cannot see many rational people wanting taxes increased the net effect being that the goods which they purchase will be more expensive . Amazon have done a fantastic job for many consumers in the UK , and many other businnesses have thrived on their success. Why penalise people for success. JCB are another example of a company who have done a great job for both farming and the construction business. I cannot see many members of the public having any concern about how much tax these organisations pay. I don't think you will find the Bamford family claiming benefits. In addition to paying more than their fair share of tax , they provide employment for thousands of people. For every job in online retail it’s around four jobs lost in retail elsewhere. So those people who are praising the tax free savings and benefitting today will be worse off eventually so whilst you can’t stop progress you can level up the tax regime to make it fairer for the high streets to compete. Jeff Bezos is so amazingly rich because Amazon avoids tax in high rate countries. As for JCB the main backer of Brexit there are a lot of jobs involved true, but why should his workers pay their tax and Bamford can move £500m out of the country in one lump to avoid personal tax? He should pay like everyone else. He should pay 45% which is the highest PAYE but no more. Success will still see him keep more than most. So reward indeed. JCB pushed for Brexit because Bamfird doesn’t want to pay UK tax. He claims the new markets around the world are the future. Maybe they are as JCB exports to China rose dramatically so what did they do in their claimed drive to grow in Britain ? Well rather than employ more people in the U.K. they built a factory in China. How exactly does that help uk jobs and exports. To say people don’t care is ridiculous . The loss of tax revenue directly affects the governments ability to build and pay for such things as hospitals or supply drugs on the NHS. So when people are declined a cancer treatment because the NHS can’t afford the drugs I’m sure they won’t care as you say. Also if there’s less money in the pot more people will be working later and having to sell their homes to pay for their care. But it’s ok as they won’t mind Lord Bamford keeping his billions . The owner of the Daily Mail who also doesn’t pay tax even though he was born here and lives here will blame it on benefit cheats, and yet he cheats us all out of hundreds of millions. You’re rose coloured slavish view is worrying. You really should look a little closer at the reality of the damage tax avoidance does in this country. Cumulatively it runs into hundreds of billions lost to offshore accounts. The major players trot out they pay hundreds of millions each year in tax. The tax they quote is the employment tax and business rates. The real tax bills are avoided by moving the funds abroad. Ireland’s GDP is way higher than it should be due to a low tax regime attaching the likes of Amazon, Starbucks, Google etc. As I said cause and effect. It looks like Lord Bamford paid more than his fair share of tax .Most people are extremely grateful for his contribution . You cannot simply move money around to avoid tax . There are strict rules to be followed and in any event JCB is a global organisation so you would expect transfers of money Not only is Lord Bamford one of the highest tax payers , he has revolutionised the construction industry and many people can now avoid sprained necks and backs due to JCB telehandlers . Quote as below 10. Lord Bamford and family (2019 wealth: £4,150m; tax: £58m) Sales of JCB’s iconic yellow diggers are booming, luckily for Bamford, who was born on the day his father, Joseph, set up the Staffordshire company from his garage. The 74-year-old makes the top ten of The Sunday Times’ list. Now do your own research and look at the transfer of £500m through Luxembourg discovered by journalists. The figures above are turnover of JCB and total tax paid ( including PAYE) Corporation tax was just £5m The profit EBITDA was £228m in the middle of lock down so not a great year. I haven’t seen their write downs so the figures are very rough but £5m seems very low even for poor figures. The personal family holdings of £6B cash held in the Caribbean have just been moved to Switzerland to avoid the changes being made there. They paid no tax on that £6B and don’t pay tax on the huge amounts of interest. . So each year the tax avoided money grows even bigger. Imagine you not paying tax on your wages and think how much wealthier you would soon get. Also try to calculate if he’s earning that sort of cash for his offshore trust is he paying 45% like those in PAYE. You seem to think I’m expecting him to pay more than anyone else . Im not I’m expecting him to pay the same percentage as workers do. As for money transfers there’s a huge difference between investment or general operating costs and the creating of invoices to move profits out of the reach of HMRC. The reason we know the numbers is because it legal to do so. Bamford can pay virtually no tax on hundreds of millions and yet an employee on a high wage pays 45% The EU wanted to stop the avoidance. Hence Bamford pushing for Brexit. He’s in the top ten richest . See if he personally is in the top ten tax payers . Think you will find that’s a definite no! As for being an iconic company I totally agree. Amazing business man creating a world icon, however he is a leading tax avoider. Think of the hundreds of billions given away each year by this method. The fact you pay a higher proportion of your wages on tax is because others don’t pay any. I’m not criticising the likes of Bamford for using the system. I’m criticising the government for letting it happen. I bet Bamford’s jets wouldn’t be leant to Boris if he decided to close the avoidance route. You really do need to stop reading the tabloid shit printed by the likes of Lord Harmsworth as he is also a huge tax avoider and just see for yourself how bad this is. Hundreds of billions have been handed out in benefits to a very select few. Think about that the next time they go on about the people on benefits . That cumulative tax would cover social care for the elderly ten times over. It’s just wrong. Legal but wrong. 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"Couldn't give a toss about media misquoting Boris to try and damage him. We would rather they gave more scrutiny of the talk about potentially raising the state pension age to 70. Then again, that might actually raise awareness for an issue that effects us all as opposed to keeping us divided and aregue amongst ourselves.... Cause and effect. Brexit stops the tax being collected from multinational companies ( JCB, Amazon for example) and also rich individuals. If the tax burden falls heavier on the lower income families they can only afford so much. So unless the government want to re-possess every home owner’s house they will have to make you work longer to pay more tax. Good this Brexit stuff isn’t it. Your vitriol towards others telling you the king doesn’t have any clothes on is sadly misguided. Read some unbiased stuff rather than Tory mantra. ( this from a former Tory voter) . As most members of the public using Amazon want to buy their goods as cheaply as possibly I cannot see many rational people wanting taxes increased the net effect being that the goods which they purchase will be more expensive . Amazon have done a fantastic job for many consumers in the UK , and many other businnesses have thrived on their success. Why penalise people for success. JCB are another example of a company who have done a great job for both farming and the construction business. I cannot see many members of the public having any concern about how much tax these organisations pay. I don't think you will find the Bamford family claiming benefits. In addition to paying more than their fair share of tax , they provide employment for thousands of people. For every job in online retail it’s around four jobs lost in retail elsewhere. So those people who are praising the tax free savings and benefitting today will be worse off eventually so whilst you can’t stop progress you can level up the tax regime to make it fairer for the high streets to compete. Jeff Bezos is so amazingly rich because Amazon avoids tax in high rate countries. As for JCB the main backer of Brexit there are a lot of jobs involved true, but why should his workers pay their tax and Bamford can move £500m out of the country in one lump to avoid personal tax? He should pay like everyone else. He should pay 45% which is the highest PAYE but no more. Success will still see him keep more than most. So reward indeed. JCB pushed for Brexit because Bamfird doesn’t want to pay UK tax. He claims the new markets around the world are the future. Maybe they are as JCB exports to China rose dramatically so what did they do in their claimed drive to grow in Britain ? Well rather than employ more people in the U.K. they built a factory in China. How exactly does that help uk jobs and exports. To say people don’t care is ridiculous . The loss of tax revenue directly affects the governments ability to build and pay for such things as hospitals or supply drugs on the NHS. So when people are declined a cancer treatment because the NHS can’t afford the drugs I’m sure they won’t care as you say. Also if there’s less money in the pot more people will be working later and having to sell their homes to pay for their care. But it’s ok as they won’t mind Lord Bamford keeping his billions . The owner of the Daily Mail who also doesn’t pay tax even though he was born here and lives here will blame it on benefit cheats, and yet he cheats us all out of hundreds of millions. You’re rose coloured slavish view is worrying. You really should look a little closer at the reality of the damage tax avoidance does in this country. Cumulatively it runs into hundreds of billions lost to offshore accounts. The major players trot out they pay hundreds of millions each year in tax. The tax they quote is the employment tax and business rates. The real tax bills are avoided by moving the funds abroad. Ireland’s GDP is way higher than it should be due to a low tax regime attaching the likes of Amazon, Starbucks, Google etc. As I said cause and effect. It looks like Lord Bamford paid more than his fair share of tax .Most people are extremely grateful for his contribution . You cannot simply move money around to avoid tax . There are strict rules to be followed and in any event JCB is a global organisation so you would expect transfers of money Not only is Lord Bamford one of the highest tax payers , he has revolutionised the construction industry and many people can now avoid sprained necks and backs due to JCB telehandlers . Quote as below 10. Lord Bamford and family (2019 wealth: £4,150m; tax: £58m) Sales of JCB’s iconic yellow diggers are booming, luckily for Bamford, who was born on the day his father, Joseph, set up the Staffordshire company from his garage. The 74-year-old makes the top ten of The Sunday Times’ list. Now do your own research and look at the transfer of £500m through Luxembourg discovered by journalists. The figures above are turnover of JCB and total tax paid ( including PAYE) Corporation tax was just £5m The profit EBITDA was £228m in the middle of lock down so not a great year. I haven’t seen their write downs so the figures are very rough but £5m seems very low even for poor figures. The personal family holdings of £6B cash held in the Caribbean have just been moved to Switzerland to avoid the changes being made there. They paid no tax on that £6B and don’t pay tax on the huge amounts of interest. . So each year the tax avoided money grows even bigger. Imagine you not paying tax on your wages and think how much wealthier you would soon get. Also try to calculate if he’s earning that sort of cash for his offshore trust is he paying 45% like those in PAYE. You seem to think I’m expecting him to pay more than anyone else . Im not I’m expecting him to pay the same percentage as workers do. As for money transfers there’s a huge difference between investment or general operating costs and the creating of invoices to move profits out of the reach of HMRC. The reason we know the numbers is because it legal to do so. Bamford can pay virtually no tax on hundreds of millions and yet an employee on a high wage pays 45% The EU wanted to stop the avoidance. Hence Bamford pushing for Brexit. He’s in the top ten richest . See if he personally is in the top ten tax payers . Think you will find that’s a definite no! As for being an iconic company I totally agree. Amazing business man creating a world icon, however he is a leading tax avoider. Think of the hundreds of billions given away each year by this method. The fact you pay a higher proportion of your wages on tax is because others don’t pay any. I’m not criticising the likes of Bamford for using the system. I’m criticising the government for letting it happen. I bet Bamford’s jets wouldn’t be leant to Boris if he decided to close the avoidance route. You really do need to stop reading the tabloid shit printed by the likes of Lord Harmsworth as he is also a huge tax avoider and just see for yourself how bad this is. Hundreds of billions have been handed out in benefits to a very select few. Think about that the next time they go on about the people on benefits . That cumulative tax would cover social care for the elderly ten times over. It’s just wrong. Legal but wrong. They say the truth hurts, and a lot of us are going to suffer over the next few years of economic downturn with the added kick in the pants of Brexit but hey Bamford has got his money out of the country so he must be a clever and admirable chap…. "Indeed . Goes without saying. | |||
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"Couldn't give a toss about media misquoting Boris to try and damage him. We would rather they gave more scrutiny of the talk about potentially raising the state pension age to 70. Then again, that might actually raise awareness for an issue that effects us all as opposed to keeping us divided and aregue amongst ourselves.... Cause and effect. Brexit stops the tax being collected from multinational companies ( JCB, Amazon for example) and also rich individuals. If the tax burden falls heavier on the lower income families they can only afford so much. So unless the government want to re-possess every home owner’s house they will have to make you work longer to pay more tax. Good this Brexit stuff isn’t it. Your vitriol towards others telling you the king doesn’t have any clothes on is sadly misguided. Read some unbiased stuff rather than Tory mantra. ( this from a former Tory voter) . As most members of the public using Amazon want to buy their goods as cheaply as possibly I cannot see many rational people wanting taxes increased the net effect being that the goods which they purchase will be more expensive . Amazon have done a fantastic job for many consumers in the UK , and many other businnesses have thrived on their success. Why penalise people for success. JCB are another example of a company who have done a great job for both farming and the construction business. I cannot see many members of the public having any concern about how much tax these organisations pay. I don't think you will find the Bamford family claiming benefits. In addition to paying more than their fair share of tax , they provide employment for thousands of people. For every job in online retail it’s around four jobs lost in retail elsewhere. So those people who are praising the tax free savings and benefitting today will be worse off eventually so whilst you can’t stop progress you can level up the tax regime to make it fairer for the high streets to compete. Jeff Bezos is so amazingly rich because Amazon avoids tax in high rate countries. As for JCB the main backer of Brexit there are a lot of jobs involved true, but why should his workers pay their tax and Bamford can move £500m out of the country in one lump to avoid personal tax? He should pay like everyone else. He should pay 45% which is the highest PAYE but no more. Success will still see him keep more than most. So reward indeed. JCB pushed for Brexit because Bamfird doesn’t want to pay UK tax. He claims the new markets around the world are the future. Maybe they are as JCB exports to China rose dramatically so what did they do in their claimed drive to grow in Britain ? Well rather than employ more people in the U.K. they built a factory in China. How exactly does that help uk jobs and exports. To say people don’t care is ridiculous . The loss of tax revenue directly affects the governments ability to build and pay for such things as hospitals or supply drugs on the NHS. So when people are declined a cancer treatment because the NHS can’t afford the drugs I’m sure they won’t care as you say. Also if there’s less money in the pot more people will be working later and having to sell their homes to pay for their care. But it’s ok as they won’t mind Lord Bamford keeping his billions . The owner of the Daily Mail who also doesn’t pay tax even though he was born here and lives here will blame it on benefit cheats, and yet he cheats us all out of hundreds of millions. You’re rose coloured slavish view is worrying. You really should look a little closer at the reality of the damage tax avoidance does in this country. Cumulatively it runs into hundreds of billions lost to offshore accounts. The major players trot out they pay hundreds of millions each year in tax. The tax they quote is the employment tax and business rates. The real tax bills are avoided by moving the funds abroad. Ireland’s GDP is way higher than it should be due to a low tax regime attaching the likes of Amazon, Starbucks, Google etc. As I said cause and effect. It looks like Lord Bamford paid more than his fair share of tax .Most people are extremely grateful for his contribution . You cannot simply move money around to avoid tax . There are strict rules to be followed and in any event JCB is a global organisation so you would expect transfers of money Not only is Lord Bamford one of the highest tax payers , he has revolutionised the construction industry and many people can now avoid sprained necks and backs due to JCB telehandlers . Quote as below 10. Lord Bamford and family (2019 wealth: £4,150m; tax: £58m) Sales of JCB’s iconic yellow diggers are booming, luckily for Bamford, who was born on the day his father, Joseph, set up the Staffordshire company from his garage. The 74-year-old makes the top ten of The Sunday Times’ list. Now do your own research and look at the transfer of £500m through Luxembourg discovered by journalists. The figures above are turnover of JCB and total tax paid ( including PAYE) Corporation tax was just £5m The profit EBITDA was £228m in the middle of lock down so not a great year. I haven’t seen their write downs so the figures are very rough but £5m seems very low even for poor figures. The personal family holdings of £6B cash held in the Caribbean have just been moved to Switzerland to avoid the changes being made there. They paid no tax on that £6B and don’t pay tax on the huge amounts of interest. . So each year the tax avoided money grows even bigger. Imagine you not paying tax on your wages and think how much wealthier you would soon get. Also try to calculate if he’s earning that sort of cash for his offshore trust is he paying 45% like those in PAYE. You seem to think I’m expecting him to pay more than anyone else . Im not I’m expecting him to pay the same percentage as workers do. As for money transfers there’s a huge difference between investment or general operating costs and the creating of invoices to move profits out of the reach of HMRC. The reason we know the numbers is because it legal to do so. Bamford can pay virtually no tax on hundreds of millions and yet an employee on a high wage pays 45% The EU wanted to stop the avoidance. Hence Bamford pushing for Brexit. He’s in the top ten richest . See if he personally is in the top ten tax payers . Think you will find that’s a definite no! As for being an iconic company I totally agree. Amazing business man creating a world icon, however he is a leading tax avoider. Think of the hundreds of billions given away each year by this method. The fact you pay a higher proportion of your wages on tax is because others don’t pay any. I’m not criticising the likes of Bamford for using the system. I’m criticising the government for letting it happen. I bet Bamford’s jets wouldn’t be leant to Boris if he decided to close the avoidance route. You really do need to stop reading the tabloid shit printed by the likes of Lord Harmsworth as he is also a huge tax avoider and just see for yourself how bad this is. Hundreds of billions have been handed out in benefits to a very select few. Think about that the next time they go on about the people on benefits . That cumulative tax would cover social care for the elderly ten times over. It’s just wrong. Legal but wrong. " An example of a bad system then. The individual is simply playing by the rules of the day. Is this a new system introduced by this government or an old system that's been with successive governments. 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"Couldn't give a toss about media misquoting Boris to try and damage him. We would rather they gave more scrutiny of the talk about potentially raising the state pension age to 70. Then again, that might actually raise awareness for an issue that effects us all as opposed to keeping us divided and aregue amongst ourselves.... Cause and effect. Brexit stops the tax being collected from multinational companies ( JCB, Amazon for example) and also rich individuals. If the tax burden falls heavier on the lower income families they can only afford so much. So unless the government want to re-possess every home owner’s house they will have to make you work longer to pay more tax. Good this Brexit stuff isn’t it. Your vitriol towards others telling you the king doesn’t have any clothes on is sadly misguided. Read some unbiased stuff rather than Tory mantra. ( this from a former Tory voter) . As most members of the public using Amazon want to buy their goods as cheaply as possibly I cannot see many rational people wanting taxes increased the net effect being that the goods which they purchase will be more expensive . Amazon have done a fantastic job for many consumers in the UK , and many other businnesses have thrived on their success. Why penalise people for success. JCB are another example of a company who have done a great job for both farming and the construction business. I cannot see many members of the public having any concern about how much tax these organisations pay. I don't think you will find the Bamford family claiming benefits. In addition to paying more than their fair share of tax , they provide employment for thousands of people. For every job in online retail it’s around four jobs lost in retail elsewhere. So those people who are praising the tax free savings and benefitting today will be worse off eventually so whilst you can’t stop progress you can level up the tax regime to make it fairer for the high streets to compete. Jeff Bezos is so amazingly rich because Amazon avoids tax in high rate countries. As for JCB the main backer of Brexit there are a lot of jobs involved true, but why should his workers pay their tax and Bamford can move £500m out of the country in one lump to avoid personal tax? He should pay like everyone else. He should pay 45% which is the highest PAYE but no more. Success will still see him keep more than most. So reward indeed. JCB pushed for Brexit because Bamfird doesn’t want to pay UK tax. He claims the new markets around the world are the future. Maybe they are as JCB exports to China rose dramatically so what did they do in their claimed drive to grow in Britain ? Well rather than employ more people in the U.K. they built a factory in China. How exactly does that help uk jobs and exports. To say people don’t care is ridiculous . The loss of tax revenue directly affects the governments ability to build and pay for such things as hospitals or supply drugs on the NHS. So when people are declined a cancer treatment because the NHS can’t afford the drugs I’m sure they won’t care as you say. Also if there’s less money in the pot more people will be working later and having to sell their homes to pay for their care. But it’s ok as they won’t mind Lord Bamford keeping his billions . The owner of the Daily Mail who also doesn’t pay tax even though he was born here and lives here will blame it on benefit cheats, and yet he cheats us all out of hundreds of millions. You’re rose coloured slavish view is worrying. You really should look a little closer at the reality of the damage tax avoidance does in this country. Cumulatively it runs into hundreds of billions lost to offshore accounts. The major players trot out they pay hundreds of millions each year in tax. The tax they quote is the employment tax and business rates. The real tax bills are avoided by moving the funds abroad. Ireland’s GDP is way higher than it should be due to a low tax regime attaching the likes of Amazon, Starbucks, Google etc. As I said cause and effect. It looks like Lord Bamford paid more than his fair share of tax .Most people are extremely grateful for his contribution . You cannot simply move money around to avoid tax . There are strict rules to be followed and in any event JCB is a global organisation so you would expect transfers of money Not only is Lord Bamford one of the highest tax payers , he has revolutionised the construction industry and many people can now avoid sprained necks and backs due to JCB telehandlers . Quote as below 10. Lord Bamford and family (2019 wealth: £4,150m; tax: £58m) Sales of JCB’s iconic yellow diggers are booming, luckily for Bamford, who was born on the day his father, Joseph, set up the Staffordshire company from his garage. The 74-year-old makes the top ten of The Sunday Times’ list. Now do your own research and look at the transfer of £500m through Luxembourg discovered by journalists. The figures above are turnover of JCB and total tax paid ( including PAYE) Corporation tax was just £5m The profit EBITDA was £228m in the middle of lock down so not a great year. I haven’t seen their write downs so the figures are very rough but £5m seems very low even for poor figures. The personal family holdings of £6B cash held in the Caribbean have just been moved to Switzerland to avoid the changes being made there. They paid no tax on that £6B and don’t pay tax on the huge amounts of interest. . So each year the tax avoided money grows even bigger. Imagine you not paying tax on your wages and think how much wealthier you would soon get. Also try to calculate if he’s earning that sort of cash for his offshore trust is he paying 45% like those in PAYE. You seem to think I’m expecting him to pay more than anyone else . Im not I’m expecting him to pay the same percentage as workers do. As for money transfers there’s a huge difference between investment or general operating costs and the creating of invoices to move profits out of the reach of HMRC. The reason we know the numbers is because it legal to do so. Bamford can pay virtually no tax on hundreds of millions and yet an employee on a high wage pays 45% The EU wanted to stop the avoidance. Hence Bamford pushing for Brexit. He’s in the top ten richest . See if he personally is in the top ten tax payers . Think you will find that’s a definite no! As for being an iconic company I totally agree. Amazing business man creating a world icon, however he is a leading tax avoider. Think of the hundreds of billions given away each year by this method. The fact you pay a higher proportion of your wages on tax is because others don’t pay any. I’m not criticising the likes of Bamford for using the system. I’m criticising the government for letting it happen. I bet Bamford’s jets wouldn’t be leant to Boris if he decided to close the avoidance route. You really do need to stop reading the tabloid shit printed by the likes of Lord Harmsworth as he is also a huge tax avoider and just see for yourself how bad this is. Hundreds of billions have been handed out in benefits to a very select few. Think about that the next time they go on about the people on benefits . That cumulative tax would cover social care for the elderly ten times over. It’s just wrong. Legal but wrong. An example of a bad system then. The individual is simply playing by the rules of the day. Is this a new system introduced by this government or an old system that's been with successive governments. Maybe a good election pledge for an opposition party to close these opportunities"
Tories probably haven't had a chance to look at this yet. It's only been 12 years.
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"Couldn't give a toss about media misquoting Boris to try and damage him. We would rather they gave more scrutiny of the talk about potentially raising the state pension age to 70. Then again, that might actually raise awareness for an issue that effects us all as opposed to keeping us divided and aregue amongst ourselves.... Cause and effect. Brexit stops the tax being collected from multinational companies ( JCB, Amazon for example) and also rich individuals. If the tax burden falls heavier on the lower income families they can only afford so much. So unless the government want to re-possess every home owner’s house they will have to make you work longer to pay more tax. Good this Brexit stuff isn’t it. Your vitriol towards others telling you the king doesn’t have any clothes on is sadly misguided. Read some unbiased stuff rather than Tory mantra. ( this from a former Tory voter) . As most members of the public using Amazon want to buy their goods as cheaply as possibly I cannot see many rational people wanting taxes increased the net effect being that the goods which they purchase will be more expensive . Amazon have done a fantastic job for many consumers in the UK , and many other businnesses have thrived on their success. Why penalise people for success. JCB are another example of a company who have done a great job for both farming and the construction business. I cannot see many members of the public having any concern about how much tax these organisations pay. I don't think you will find the Bamford family claiming benefits. In addition to paying more than their fair share of tax , they provide employment for thousands of people. For every job in online retail it’s around four jobs lost in retail elsewhere. So those people who are praising the tax free savings and benefitting today will be worse off eventually so whilst you can’t stop progress you can level up the tax regime to make it fairer for the high streets to compete. Jeff Bezos is so amazingly rich because Amazon avoids tax in high rate countries. As for JCB the main backer of Brexit there are a lot of jobs involved true, but why should his workers pay their tax and Bamford can move £500m out of the country in one lump to avoid personal tax? He should pay like everyone else. He should pay 45% which is the highest PAYE but no more. Success will still see him keep more than most. So reward indeed. JCB pushed for Brexit because Bamfird doesn’t want to pay UK tax. He claims the new markets around the world are the future. Maybe they are as JCB exports to China rose dramatically so what did they do in their claimed drive to grow in Britain ? Well rather than employ more people in the U.K. they built a factory in China. How exactly does that help uk jobs and exports. To say people don’t care is ridiculous . The loss of tax revenue directly affects the governments ability to build and pay for such things as hospitals or supply drugs on the NHS. So when people are declined a cancer treatment because the NHS can’t afford the drugs I’m sure they won’t care as you say. Also if there’s less money in the pot more people will be working later and having to sell their homes to pay for their care. But it’s ok as they won’t mind Lord Bamford keeping his billions . The owner of the Daily Mail who also doesn’t pay tax even though he was born here and lives here will blame it on benefit cheats, and yet he cheats us all out of hundreds of millions. You’re rose coloured slavish view is worrying. You really should look a little closer at the reality of the damage tax avoidance does in this country. Cumulatively it runs into hundreds of billions lost to offshore accounts. The major players trot out they pay hundreds of millions each year in tax. The tax they quote is the employment tax and business rates. The real tax bills are avoided by moving the funds abroad. Ireland’s GDP is way higher than it should be due to a low tax regime attaching the likes of Amazon, Starbucks, Google etc. As I said cause and effect. It looks like Lord Bamford paid more than his fair share of tax .Most people are extremely grateful for his contribution . You cannot simply move money around to avoid tax . There are strict rules to be followed and in any event JCB is a global organisation so you would expect transfers of money Not only is Lord Bamford one of the highest tax payers , he has revolutionised the construction industry and many people can now avoid sprained necks and backs due to JCB telehandlers . Quote as below 10. Lord Bamford and family (2019 wealth: £4,150m; tax: £58m) Sales of JCB’s iconic yellow diggers are booming, luckily for Bamford, who was born on the day his father, Joseph, set up the Staffordshire company from his garage. The 74-year-old makes the top ten of The Sunday Times’ list. Now do your own research and look at the transfer of £500m through Luxembourg discovered by journalists. The figures above are turnover of JCB and total tax paid ( including PAYE) Corporation tax was just £5m The profit EBITDA was £228m in the middle of lock down so not a great year. I haven’t seen their write downs so the figures are very rough but £5m seems very low even for poor figures. The personal family holdings of £6B cash held in the Caribbean have just been moved to Switzerland to avoid the changes being made there. They paid no tax on that £6B and don’t pay tax on the huge amounts of interest. . So each year the tax avoided money grows even bigger. Imagine you not paying tax on your wages and think how much wealthier you would soon get. Also try to calculate if he’s earning that sort of cash for his offshore trust is he paying 45% like those in PAYE. You seem to think I’m expecting him to pay more than anyone else . Im not I’m expecting him to pay the same percentage as workers do. As for money transfers there’s a huge difference between investment or general operating costs and the creating of invoices to move profits out of the reach of HMRC. The reason we know the numbers is because it legal to do so. Bamford can pay virtually no tax on hundreds of millions and yet an employee on a high wage pays 45% The EU wanted to stop the avoidance. Hence Bamford pushing for Brexit. He’s in the top ten richest . See if he personally is in the top ten tax payers . Think you will find that’s a definite no! As for being an iconic company I totally agree. Amazing business man creating a world icon, however he is a leading tax avoider. Think of the hundreds of billions given away each year by this method. The fact you pay a higher proportion of your wages on tax is because others don’t pay any. I’m not criticising the likes of Bamford for using the system. I’m criticising the government for letting it happen. I bet Bamford’s jets wouldn’t be leant to Boris if he decided to close the avoidance route. You really do need to stop reading the tabloid shit printed by the likes of Lord Harmsworth as he is also a huge tax avoider and just see for yourself how bad this is. Hundreds of billions have been handed out in benefits to a very select few. Think about that the next time they go on about the people on benefits . That cumulative tax would cover social care for the elderly ten times over. It’s just wrong. Legal but wrong. An example of a bad system then. The individual is simply playing by the rules of the day. Is this a new system introduced by this government or an old system that's been with successive governments. Maybe a good election pledge for an opposition party to close these opportunities" Endemic for many years and many colours of government. It’s just getting worse because the wealth is concentrating more and more with fewer people. The EU wanted to crack down as did the US. Rishi agreed to crack down on avoidance in an recent agreement with the G7 . He only agreed to do this if financial services were kept out of the crack down.. This money isn’t being laundered by the local pie shop! 95% is financial institutions handling for corporations and rich individuals. The US we’re not happy. The U.K. is the avoidance country of choice. | |||
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"Couldn't give a toss about media misquoting Boris to try and damage him. We would rather they gave more scrutiny of the talk about potentially raising the state pension age to 70. Then again, that might actually raise awareness for an issue that effects us all as opposed to keeping us divided and aregue amongst ourselves.... Cause and effect. Brexit stops the tax being collected from multinational companies ( JCB, Amazon for example) and also rich individuals. If the tax burden falls heavier on the lower income families they can only afford so much. So unless the government want to re-possess every home owner’s house they will have to make you work longer to pay more tax. Good this Brexit stuff isn’t it. Your vitriol towards others telling you the king doesn’t have any clothes on is sadly misguided. Read some unbiased stuff rather than Tory mantra. ( this from a former Tory voter) . As most members of the public using Amazon want to buy their goods as cheaply as possibly I cannot see many rational people wanting taxes increased the net effect being that the goods which they purchase will be more expensive . Amazon have done a fantastic job for many consumers in the UK , and many other businnesses have thrived on their success. Why penalise people for success. JCB are another example of a company who have done a great job for both farming and the construction business. I cannot see many members of the public having any concern about how much tax these organisations pay. I don't think you will find the Bamford family claiming benefits. In addition to paying more than their fair share of tax , they provide employment for thousands of people. For every job in online retail it’s around four jobs lost in retail elsewhere. So those people who are praising the tax free savings and benefitting today will be worse off eventually so whilst you can’t stop progress you can level up the tax regime to make it fairer for the high streets to compete. Jeff Bezos is so amazingly rich because Amazon avoids tax in high rate countries. As for JCB the main backer of Brexit there are a lot of jobs involved true, but why should his workers pay their tax and Bamford can move £500m out of the country in one lump to avoid personal tax? He should pay like everyone else. He should pay 45% which is the highest PAYE but no more. Success will still see him keep more than most. So reward indeed. JCB pushed for Brexit because Bamfird doesn’t want to pay UK tax. He claims the new markets around the world are the future. Maybe they are as JCB exports to China rose dramatically so what did they do in their claimed drive to grow in Britain ? Well rather than employ more people in the U.K. they built a factory in China. How exactly does that help uk jobs and exports. To say people don’t care is ridiculous . The loss of tax revenue directly affects the governments ability to build and pay for such things as hospitals or supply drugs on the NHS. So when people are declined a cancer treatment because the NHS can’t afford the drugs I’m sure they won’t care as you say. Also if there’s less money in the pot more people will be working later and having to sell their homes to pay for their care. But it’s ok as they won’t mind Lord Bamford keeping his billions . The owner of the Daily Mail who also doesn’t pay tax even though he was born here and lives here will blame it on benefit cheats, and yet he cheats us all out of hundreds of millions. You’re rose coloured slavish view is worrying. You really should look a little closer at the reality of the damage tax avoidance does in this country. Cumulatively it runs into hundreds of billions lost to offshore accounts. The major players trot out they pay hundreds of millions each year in tax. The tax they quote is the employment tax and business rates. The real tax bills are avoided by moving the funds abroad. Ireland’s GDP is way higher than it should be due to a low tax regime attaching the likes of Amazon, Starbucks, Google etc. As I said cause and effect. It looks like Lord Bamford paid more than his fair share of tax .Most people are extremely grateful for his contribution . You cannot simply move money around to avoid tax . There are strict rules to be followed and in any event JCB is a global organisation so you would expect transfers of money Not only is Lord Bamford one of the highest tax payers , he has revolutionised the construction industry and many people can now avoid sprained necks and backs due to JCB telehandlers . Quote as below 10. Lord Bamford and family (2019 wealth: £4,150m; tax: £58m) Sales of JCB’s iconic yellow diggers are booming, luckily for Bamford, who was born on the day his father, Joseph, set up the Staffordshire company from his garage. The 74-year-old makes the top ten of The Sunday Times’ list. Now do your own research and look at the transfer of £500m through Luxembourg discovered by journalists. The figures above are turnover of JCB and total tax paid ( including PAYE) Corporation tax was just £5m The profit EBITDA was £228m in the middle of lock down so not a great year. I haven’t seen their write downs so the figures are very rough but £5m seems very low even for poor figures. The personal family holdings of £6B cash held in the Caribbean have just been moved to Switzerland to avoid the changes being made there. They paid no tax on that £6B and don’t pay tax on the huge amounts of interest. . So each year the tax avoided money grows even bigger. Imagine you not paying tax on your wages and think how much wealthier you would soon get. Also try to calculate if he’s earning that sort of cash for his offshore trust is he paying 45% like those in PAYE. You seem to think I’m expecting him to pay more than anyone else . Im not I’m expecting him to pay the same percentage as workers do. As for money transfers there’s a huge difference between investment or general operating costs and the creating of invoices to move profits out of the reach of HMRC. The reason we know the numbers is because it legal to do so. Bamford can pay virtually no tax on hundreds of millions and yet an employee on a high wage pays 45% The EU wanted to stop the avoidance. Hence Bamford pushing for Brexit. He’s in the top ten richest . See if he personally is in the top ten tax payers . Think you will find that’s a definite no! As for being an iconic company I totally agree. Amazing business man creating a world icon, however he is a leading tax avoider. Think of the hundreds of billions given away each year by this method. The fact you pay a higher proportion of your wages on tax is because others don’t pay any. I’m not criticising the likes of Bamford for using the system. I’m criticising the government for letting it happen. I bet Bamford’s jets wouldn’t be leant to Boris if he decided to close the avoidance route. You really do need to stop reading the tabloid shit printed by the likes of Lord Harmsworth as he is also a huge tax avoider and just see for yourself how bad this is. Hundreds of billions have been handed out in benefits to a very select few. Think about that the next time they go on about the people on benefits . That cumulative tax would cover social care for the elderly ten times over. It’s just wrong. Legal but wrong. " . Maybe most people do not engage in the politics of envy and have enough common sense to recognise that higher taxations may drive businesses to other countries . As things stand Lord Bamford pays more than his fair share of taxes. You cannot simply transfer money around to avoid tax - there are rigorous conditions attached and in any event JCb operate on a global basis . The majority of people like to pay their way in life and not rely on the taxes paid by others . It is hardly an admirable attribute to want to penalise someone for success . Maybe look at the average salary of a JCB assembler . (circa £38000. ) These are the people that matter and they are hardly going to resent the success of their boss . His success is their success . Generally lower tax rates bring in more as there is less need for avoidance measures . | |||
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"Couldn't give a toss about media misquoting Boris to try and damage him. We would rather they gave more scrutiny of the talk about potentially raising the state pension age to 70. Then again, that might actually raise awareness for an issue that effects us all as opposed to keeping us divided and aregue amongst ourselves.... Cause and effect. Brexit stops the tax being collected from multinational companies ( JCB, Amazon for example) and also rich individuals. If the tax burden falls heavier on the lower income families they can only afford so much. So unless the government want to re-possess every home owner’s house they will have to make you work longer to pay more tax. Good this Brexit stuff isn’t it. Your vitriol towards others telling you the king doesn’t have any clothes on is sadly misguided. Read some unbiased stuff rather than Tory mantra. ( this from a former Tory voter) . As most members of the public using Amazon want to buy their goods as cheaply as possibly I cannot see many rational people wanting taxes increased the net effect being that the goods which they purchase will be more expensive . Amazon have done a fantastic job for many consumers in the UK , and many other businnesses have thrived on their success. Why penalise people for success. JCB are another example of a company who have done a great job for both farming and the construction business. I cannot see many members of the public having any concern about how much tax these organisations pay. I don't think you will find the Bamford family claiming benefits. In addition to paying more than their fair share of tax , they provide employment for thousands of people. For every job in online retail it’s around four jobs lost in retail elsewhere. So those people who are praising the tax free savings and benefitting today will be worse off eventually so whilst you can’t stop progress you can level up the tax regime to make it fairer for the high streets to compete. Jeff Bezos is so amazingly rich because Amazon avoids tax in high rate countries. As for JCB the main backer of Brexit there are a lot of jobs involved true, but why should his workers pay their tax and Bamford can move £500m out of the country in one lump to avoid personal tax? He should pay like everyone else. He should pay 45% which is the highest PAYE but no more. Success will still see him keep more than most. So reward indeed. JCB pushed for Brexit because Bamfird doesn’t want to pay UK tax. He claims the new markets around the world are the future. Maybe they are as JCB exports to China rose dramatically so what did they do in their claimed drive to grow in Britain ? Well rather than employ more people in the U.K. they built a factory in China. How exactly does that help uk jobs and exports. To say people don’t care is ridiculous . The loss of tax revenue directly affects the governments ability to build and pay for such things as hospitals or supply drugs on the NHS. So when people are declined a cancer treatment because the NHS can’t afford the drugs I’m sure they won’t care as you say. Also if there’s less money in the pot more people will be working later and having to sell their homes to pay for their care. But it’s ok as they won’t mind Lord Bamford keeping his billions . The owner of the Daily Mail who also doesn’t pay tax even though he was born here and lives here will blame it on benefit cheats, and yet he cheats us all out of hundreds of millions. You’re rose coloured slavish view is worrying. You really should look a little closer at the reality of the damage tax avoidance does in this country. Cumulatively it runs into hundreds of billions lost to offshore accounts. The major players trot out they pay hundreds of millions each year in tax. The tax they quote is the employment tax and business rates. The real tax bills are avoided by moving the funds abroad. Ireland’s GDP is way higher than it should be due to a low tax regime attaching the likes of Amazon, Starbucks, Google etc. As I said cause and effect. It looks like Lord Bamford paid more than his fair share of tax .Most people are extremely grateful for his contribution . You cannot simply move money around to avoid tax . There are strict rules to be followed and in any event JCB is a global organisation so you would expect transfers of money Not only is Lord Bamford one of the highest tax payers , he has revolutionised the construction industry and many people can now avoid sprained necks and backs due to JCB telehandlers . Quote as below 10. Lord Bamford and family (2019 wealth: £4,150m; tax: £58m) Sales of JCB’s iconic yellow diggers are booming, luckily for Bamford, who was born on the day his father, Joseph, set up the Staffordshire company from his garage. The 74-year-old makes the top ten of The Sunday Times’ list. Now do your own research and look at the transfer of £500m through Luxembourg discovered by journalists. The figures above are turnover of JCB and total tax paid ( including PAYE) Corporation tax was just £5m The profit EBITDA was £228m in the middle of lock down so not a great year. I haven’t seen their write downs so the figures are very rough but £5m seems very low even for poor figures. The personal family holdings of £6B cash held in the Caribbean have just been moved to Switzerland to avoid the changes being made there. They paid no tax on that £6B and don’t pay tax on the huge amounts of interest. . So each year the tax avoided money grows even bigger. Imagine you not paying tax on your wages and think how much wealthier you would soon get. Also try to calculate if he’s earning that sort of cash for his offshore trust is he paying 45% like those in PAYE. You seem to think I’m expecting him to pay more than anyone else . Im not I’m expecting him to pay the same percentage as workers do. As for money transfers there’s a huge difference between investment or general operating costs and the creating of invoices to move profits out of the reach of HMRC. The reason we know the numbers is because it legal to do so. Bamford can pay virtually no tax on hundreds of millions and yet an employee on a high wage pays 45% The EU wanted to stop the avoidance. Hence Bamford pushing for Brexit. He’s in the top ten richest . See if he personally is in the top ten tax payers . Think you will find that’s a definite no! As for being an iconic company I totally agree. Amazing business man creating a world icon, however he is a leading tax avoider. Think of the hundreds of billions given away each year by this method. The fact you pay a higher proportion of your wages on tax is because others don’t pay any. I’m not criticising the likes of Bamford for using the system. I’m criticising the government for letting it happen. I bet Bamford’s jets wouldn’t be leant to Boris if he decided to close the avoidance route. You really do need to stop reading the tabloid shit printed by the likes of Lord Harmsworth as he is also a huge tax avoider and just see for yourself how bad this is. Hundreds of billions have been handed out in benefits to a very select few. Think about that the next time they go on about the people on benefits . That cumulative tax would cover social care for the elderly ten times over. It’s just wrong. Legal but wrong. An example of a bad system then. The individual is simply playing by the rules of the day. Is this a new system introduced by this government or an old system that's been with successive governments. Maybe a good election pledge for an opposition party to close these opportunities Endemic for many years and many colours of government. It’s just getting worse because the wealth is concentrating more and more with fewer people. The EU wanted to crack down as did the US. Rishi agreed to crack down on avoidance in an recent agreement with the G7 . He only agreed to do this if financial services were kept out of the crack down.. This money isn’t being laundered by the local pie shop! 95% is financial institutions handling for corporations and rich individuals. The US we’re not happy. The U.K. is the avoidance country of choice. " So both Tory and Labour have allowed this which is worrying as they are the only 2 parties likely to be in government to do something about it. Would this not be a good thing for Labour to pledge to stop these things happening if they were elected | |||
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"Couldn't give a toss about media misquoting Boris to try and damage him. We would rather they gave more scrutiny of the talk about potentially raising the state pension age to 70. Then again, that might actually raise awareness for an issue that effects us all as opposed to keeping us divided and aregue amongst ourselves.... Cause and effect. Brexit stops the tax being collected from multinational companies ( JCB, Amazon for example) and also rich individuals. If the tax burden falls heavier on the lower income families they can only afford so much. So unless the government want to re-possess every home owner’s house they will have to make you work longer to pay more tax. Good this Brexit stuff isn’t it. Your vitriol towards others telling you the king doesn’t have any clothes on is sadly misguided. Read some unbiased stuff rather than Tory mantra. ( this from a former Tory voter) . As most members of the public using Amazon want to buy their goods as cheaply as possibly I cannot see many rational people wanting taxes increased the net effect being that the goods which they purchase will be more expensive . Amazon have done a fantastic job for many consumers in the UK , and many other businnesses have thrived on their success. Why penalise people for success. JCB are another example of a company who have done a great job for both farming and the construction business. I cannot see many members of the public having any concern about how much tax these organisations pay. I don't think you will find the Bamford family claiming benefits. In addition to paying more than their fair share of tax , they provide employment for thousands of people. For every job in online retail it’s around four jobs lost in retail elsewhere. So those people who are praising the tax free savings and benefitting today will be worse off eventually so whilst you can’t stop progress you can level up the tax regime to make it fairer for the high streets to compete. Jeff Bezos is so amazingly rich because Amazon avoids tax in high rate countries. As for JCB the main backer of Brexit there are a lot of jobs involved true, but why should his workers pay their tax and Bamford can move £500m out of the country in one lump to avoid personal tax? He should pay like everyone else. He should pay 45% which is the highest PAYE but no more. Success will still see him keep more than most. So reward indeed. JCB pushed for Brexit because Bamfird doesn’t want to pay UK tax. He claims the new markets around the world are the future. Maybe they are as JCB exports to China rose dramatically so what did they do in their claimed drive to grow in Britain ? Well rather than employ more people in the U.K. they built a factory in China. How exactly does that help uk jobs and exports. To say people don’t care is ridiculous . The loss of tax revenue directly affects the governments ability to build and pay for such things as hospitals or supply drugs on the NHS. So when people are declined a cancer treatment because the NHS can’t afford the drugs I’m sure they won’t care as you say. Also if there’s less money in the pot more people will be working later and having to sell their homes to pay for their care. But it’s ok as they won’t mind Lord Bamford keeping his billions . The owner of the Daily Mail who also doesn’t pay tax even though he was born here and lives here will blame it on benefit cheats, and yet he cheats us all out of hundreds of millions. You’re rose coloured slavish view is worrying. You really should look a little closer at the reality of the damage tax avoidance does in this country. Cumulatively it runs into hundreds of billions lost to offshore accounts. The major players trot out they pay hundreds of millions each year in tax. The tax they quote is the employment tax and business rates. The real tax bills are avoided by moving the funds abroad. Ireland’s GDP is way higher than it should be due to a low tax regime attaching the likes of Amazon, Starbucks, Google etc. As I said cause and effect. It looks like Lord Bamford paid more than his fair share of tax .Most people are extremely grateful for his contribution . You cannot simply move money around to avoid tax . There are strict rules to be followed and in any event JCB is a global organisation so you would expect transfers of money Not only is Lord Bamford one of the highest tax payers , he has revolutionised the construction industry and many people can now avoid sprained necks and backs due to JCB telehandlers . Quote as below 10. Lord Bamford and family (2019 wealth: £4,150m; tax: £58m) Sales of JCB’s iconic yellow diggers are booming, luckily for Bamford, who was born on the day his father, Joseph, set up the Staffordshire company from his garage. The 74-year-old makes the top ten of The Sunday Times’ list. Now do your own research and look at the transfer of £500m through Luxembourg discovered by journalists. The figures above are turnover of JCB and total tax paid ( including PAYE) Corporation tax was just £5m The profit EBITDA was £228m in the middle of lock down so not a great year. I haven’t seen their write downs so the figures are very rough but £5m seems very low even for poor figures. The personal family holdings of £6B cash held in the Caribbean have just been moved to Switzerland to avoid the changes being made there. They paid no tax on that £6B and don’t pay tax on the huge amounts of interest. . So each year the tax avoided money grows even bigger. Imagine you not paying tax on your wages and think how much wealthier you would soon get. Also try to calculate if he’s earning that sort of cash for his offshore trust is he paying 45% like those in PAYE. You seem to think I’m expecting him to pay more than anyone else . Im not I’m expecting him to pay the same percentage as workers do. As for money transfers there’s a huge difference between investment or general operating costs and the creating of invoices to move profits out of the reach of HMRC. The reason we know the numbers is because it legal to do so. Bamford can pay virtually no tax on hundreds of millions and yet an employee on a high wage pays 45% The EU wanted to stop the avoidance. Hence Bamford pushing for Brexit. He’s in the top ten richest . See if he personally is in the top ten tax payers . Think you will find that’s a definite no! As for being an iconic company I totally agree. Amazing business man creating a world icon, however he is a leading tax avoider. Think of the hundreds of billions given away each year by this method. The fact you pay a higher proportion of your wages on tax is because others don’t pay any. I’m not criticising the likes of Bamford for using the system. I’m criticising the government for letting it happen. I bet Bamford’s jets wouldn’t be leant to Boris if he decided to close the avoidance route. You really do need to stop reading the tabloid shit printed by the likes of Lord Harmsworth as he is also a huge tax avoider and just see for yourself how bad this is. Hundreds of billions have been handed out in benefits to a very select few. Think about that the next time they go on about the people on benefits . That cumulative tax would cover social care for the elderly ten times over. It’s just wrong. Legal but wrong. An example of a bad system then. The individual is simply playing by the rules of the day. Is this a new system introduced by this government or an old system that's been with successive governments. Maybe a good election pledge for an opposition party to close these opportunities Endemic for many years and many colours of government. It’s just getting worse because the wealth is concentrating more and more with fewer people. The EU wanted to crack down as did the US. Rishi agreed to crack down on avoidance in an recent agreement with the G7 . He only agreed to do this if financial services were kept out of the crack down.. This money isn’t being laundered by the local pie shop! 95% is financial institutions handling for corporations and rich individuals. The US we’re not happy. The U.K. is the avoidance country of choice. So both Tory and Labour have allowed this which is worrying as they are the only 2 parties likely to be in government to do something about it. Would this not be a good thing for Labour to pledge to stop these things happening if they were elected" Labour should make this pledge. Tories don't have to, as Conservative voters don't give a shit about billionaires and MPs avoiding tax. | |||
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"Couldn't give a toss about media misquoting Boris to try and damage him. We would rather they gave more scrutiny of the talk about potentially raising the state pension age to 70. Then again, that might actually raise awareness for an issue that effects us all as opposed to keeping us divided and aregue amongst ourselves.... Cause and effect. Brexit stops the tax being collected from multinational companies ( JCB, Amazon for example) and also rich individuals. If the tax burden falls heavier on the lower income families they can only afford so much. So unless the government want to re-possess every home owner’s house they will have to make you work longer to pay more tax. Good this Brexit stuff isn’t it. Your vitriol towards others telling you the king doesn’t have any clothes on is sadly misguided. Read some unbiased stuff rather than Tory mantra. ( this from a former Tory voter) . As most members of the public using Amazon want to buy their goods as cheaply as possibly I cannot see many rational people wanting taxes increased the net effect being that the goods which they purchase will be more expensive . Amazon have done a fantastic job for many consumers in the UK , and many other businnesses have thrived on their success. Why penalise people for success. JCB are another example of a company who have done a great job for both farming and the construction business. I cannot see many members of the public having any concern about how much tax these organisations pay. I don't think you will find the Bamford family claiming benefits. In addition to paying more than their fair share of tax , they provide employment for thousands of people. For every job in online retail it’s around four jobs lost in retail elsewhere. So those people who are praising the tax free savings and benefitting today will be worse off eventually so whilst you can’t stop progress you can level up the tax regime to make it fairer for the high streets to compete. Jeff Bezos is so amazingly rich because Amazon avoids tax in high rate countries. As for JCB the main backer of Brexit there are a lot of jobs involved true, but why should his workers pay their tax and Bamford can move £500m out of the country in one lump to avoid personal tax? He should pay like everyone else. He should pay 45% which is the highest PAYE but no more. Success will still see him keep more than most. So reward indeed. JCB pushed for Brexit because Bamfird doesn’t want to pay UK tax. He claims the new markets around the world are the future. Maybe they are as JCB exports to China rose dramatically so what did they do in their claimed drive to grow in Britain ? Well rather than employ more people in the U.K. they built a factory in China. How exactly does that help uk jobs and exports. To say people don’t care is ridiculous . The loss of tax revenue directly affects the governments ability to build and pay for such things as hospitals or supply drugs on the NHS. So when people are declined a cancer treatment because the NHS can’t afford the drugs I’m sure they won’t care as you say. Also if there’s less money in the pot more people will be working later and having to sell their homes to pay for their care. But it’s ok as they won’t mind Lord Bamford keeping his billions . The owner of the Daily Mail who also doesn’t pay tax even though he was born here and lives here will blame it on benefit cheats, and yet he cheats us all out of hundreds of millions. You’re rose coloured slavish view is worrying. You really should look a little closer at the reality of the damage tax avoidance does in this country. Cumulatively it runs into hundreds of billions lost to offshore accounts. The major players trot out they pay hundreds of millions each year in tax. The tax they quote is the employment tax and business rates. The real tax bills are avoided by moving the funds abroad. Ireland’s GDP is way higher than it should be due to a low tax regime attaching the likes of Amazon, Starbucks, Google etc. As I said cause and effect. It looks like Lord Bamford paid more than his fair share of tax .Most people are extremely grateful for his contribution . You cannot simply move money around to avoid tax . There are strict rules to be followed and in any event JCB is a global organisation so you would expect transfers of money Not only is Lord Bamford one of the highest tax payers , he has revolutionised the construction industry and many people can now avoid sprained necks and backs due to JCB telehandlers . Quote as below 10. Lord Bamford and family (2019 wealth: £4,150m; tax: £58m) Sales of JCB’s iconic yellow diggers are booming, luckily for Bamford, who was born on the day his father, Joseph, set up the Staffordshire company from his garage. The 74-year-old makes the top ten of The Sunday Times’ list. Now do your own research and look at the transfer of £500m through Luxembourg discovered by journalists. The figures above are turnover of JCB and total tax paid ( including PAYE) Corporation tax was just £5m The profit EBITDA was £228m in the middle of lock down so not a great year. I haven’t seen their write downs so the figures are very rough but £5m seems very low even for poor figures. The personal family holdings of £6B cash held in the Caribbean have just been moved to Switzerland to avoid the changes being made there. They paid no tax on that £6B and don’t pay tax on the huge amounts of interest. . So each year the tax avoided money grows even bigger. Imagine you not paying tax on your wages and think how much wealthier you would soon get. Also try to calculate if he’s earning that sort of cash for his offshore trust is he paying 45% like those in PAYE. You seem to think I’m expecting him to pay more than anyone else . Im not I’m expecting him to pay the same percentage as workers do. As for money transfers there’s a huge difference between investment or general operating costs and the creating of invoices to move profits out of the reach of HMRC. The reason we know the numbers is because it legal to do so. Bamford can pay virtually no tax on hundreds of millions and yet an employee on a high wage pays 45% The EU wanted to stop the avoidance. Hence Bamford pushing for Brexit. He’s in the top ten richest . See if he personally is in the top ten tax payers . Think you will find that’s a definite no! As for being an iconic company I totally agree. Amazing business man creating a world icon, however he is a leading tax avoider. Think of the hundreds of billions given away each year by this method. The fact you pay a higher proportion of your wages on tax is because others don’t pay any. I’m not criticising the likes of Bamford for using the system. I’m criticising the government for letting it happen. I bet Bamford’s jets wouldn’t be leant to Boris if he decided to close the avoidance route. You really do need to stop reading the tabloid shit printed by the likes of Lord Harmsworth as he is also a huge tax avoider and just see for yourself how bad this is. Hundreds of billions have been handed out in benefits to a very select few. Think about that the next time they go on about the people on benefits . That cumulative tax would cover social care for the elderly ten times over. It’s just wrong. Legal but wrong. An example of a bad system then. The individual is simply playing by the rules of the day. Is this a new system introduced by this government or an old system that's been with successive governments. Maybe a good election pledge for an opposition party to close these opportunities Endemic for many years and many colours of government. It’s just getting worse because the wealth is concentrating more and more with fewer people. The EU wanted to crack down as did the US. Rishi agreed to crack down on avoidance in an recent agreement with the G7 . He only agreed to do this if financial services were kept out of the crack down.. This money isn’t being laundered by the local pie shop! 95% is financial institutions handling for corporations and rich individuals. The US we’re not happy. The U.K. is the avoidance country of choice. So both Tory and Labour have allowed this which is worrying as they are the only 2 parties likely to be in government to do something about it. Would this not be a good thing for Labour to pledge to stop these things happening if they were elected Labour should make this pledge. Tories don't have to, as Conservative voters don't give a shit about billionaires and MPs avoiding tax." Tory voters don't give a shit about anything or anyone apparently | |||
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"Couldn't give a toss about media misquoting Boris to try and damage him. We would rather they gave more scrutiny of the talk about potentially raising the state pension age to 70. Then again, that might actually raise awareness for an issue that effects us all as opposed to keeping us divided and aregue amongst ourselves.... Cause and effect. Brexit stops the tax being collected from multinational companies ( JCB, Amazon for example) and also rich individuals. If the tax burden falls heavier on the lower income families they can only afford so much. So unless the government want to re-possess every home owner’s house they will have to make you work longer to pay more tax. Good this Brexit stuff isn’t it. Your vitriol towards others telling you the king doesn’t have any clothes on is sadly misguided. Read some unbiased stuff rather than Tory mantra. ( this from a former Tory voter) . As most members of the public using Amazon want to buy their goods as cheaply as possibly I cannot see many rational people wanting taxes increased the net effect being that the goods which they purchase will be more expensive . Amazon have done a fantastic job for many consumers in the UK , and many other businnesses have thrived on their success. Why penalise people for success. JCB are another example of a company who have done a great job for both farming and the construction business. I cannot see many members of the public having any concern about how much tax these organisations pay. I don't think you will find the Bamford family claiming benefits. In addition to paying more than their fair share of tax , they provide employment for thousands of people. For every job in online retail it’s around four jobs lost in retail elsewhere. So those people who are praising the tax free savings and benefitting today will be worse off eventually so whilst you can’t stop progress you can level up the tax regime to make it fairer for the high streets to compete. Jeff Bezos is so amazingly rich because Amazon avoids tax in high rate countries. As for JCB the main backer of Brexit there are a lot of jobs involved true, but why should his workers pay their tax and Bamford can move £500m out of the country in one lump to avoid personal tax? He should pay like everyone else. He should pay 45% which is the highest PAYE but no more. Success will still see him keep more than most. So reward indeed. JCB pushed for Brexit because Bamfird doesn’t want to pay UK tax. He claims the new markets around the world are the future. Maybe they are as JCB exports to China rose dramatically so what did they do in their claimed drive to grow in Britain ? Well rather than employ more people in the U.K. they built a factory in China. How exactly does that help uk jobs and exports. To say people don’t care is ridiculous . The loss of tax revenue directly affects the governments ability to build and pay for such things as hospitals or supply drugs on the NHS. So when people are declined a cancer treatment because the NHS can’t afford the drugs I’m sure they won’t care as you say. Also if there’s less money in the pot more people will be working later and having to sell their homes to pay for their care. But it’s ok as they won’t mind Lord Bamford keeping his billions . The owner of the Daily Mail who also doesn’t pay tax even though he was born here and lives here will blame it on benefit cheats, and yet he cheats us all out of hundreds of millions. You’re rose coloured slavish view is worrying. You really should look a little closer at the reality of the damage tax avoidance does in this country. Cumulatively it runs into hundreds of billions lost to offshore accounts. The major players trot out they pay hundreds of millions each year in tax. The tax they quote is the employment tax and business rates. The real tax bills are avoided by moving the funds abroad. Ireland’s GDP is way higher than it should be due to a low tax regime attaching the likes of Amazon, Starbucks, Google etc. As I said cause and effect. It looks like Lord Bamford paid more than his fair share of tax .Most people are extremely grateful for his contribution . You cannot simply move money around to avoid tax . There are strict rules to be followed and in any event JCB is a global organisation so you would expect transfers of money Not only is Lord Bamford one of the highest tax payers , he has revolutionised the construction industry and many people can now avoid sprained necks and backs due to JCB telehandlers . Quote as below 10. Lord Bamford and family (2019 wealth: £4,150m; tax: £58m) Sales of JCB’s iconic yellow diggers are booming, luckily for Bamford, who was born on the day his father, Joseph, set up the Staffordshire company from his garage. The 74-year-old makes the top ten of The Sunday Times’ list. Now do your own research and look at the transfer of £500m through Luxembourg discovered by journalists. The figures above are turnover of JCB and total tax paid ( including PAYE) Corporation tax was just £5m The profit EBITDA was £228m in the middle of lock down so not a great year. I haven’t seen their write downs so the figures are very rough but £5m seems very low even for poor figures. The personal family holdings of £6B cash held in the Caribbean have just been moved to Switzerland to avoid the changes being made there. They paid no tax on that £6B and don’t pay tax on the huge amounts of interest. . So each year the tax avoided money grows even bigger. Imagine you not paying tax on your wages and think how much wealthier you would soon get. Also try to calculate if he’s earning that sort of cash for his offshore trust is he paying 45% like those in PAYE. You seem to think I’m expecting him to pay more than anyone else . Im not I’m expecting him to pay the same percentage as workers do. As for money transfers there’s a huge difference between investment or general operating costs and the creating of invoices to move profits out of the reach of HMRC. The reason we know the numbers is because it legal to do so. Bamford can pay virtually no tax on hundreds of millions and yet an employee on a high wage pays 45% The EU wanted to stop the avoidance. Hence Bamford pushing for Brexit. He’s in the top ten richest . See if he personally is in the top ten tax payers . Think you will find that’s a definite no! As for being an iconic company I totally agree. Amazing business man creating a world icon, however he is a leading tax avoider. Think of the hundreds of billions given away each year by this method. The fact you pay a higher proportion of your wages on tax is because others don’t pay any. I’m not criticising the likes of Bamford for using the system. I’m criticising the government for letting it happen. I bet Bamford’s jets wouldn’t be leant to Boris if he decided to close the avoidance route. You really do need to stop reading the tabloid shit printed by the likes of Lord Harmsworth as he is also a huge tax avoider and just see for yourself how bad this is. Hundreds of billions have been handed out in benefits to a very select few. Think about that the next time they go on about the people on benefits . That cumulative tax would cover social care for the elderly ten times over. It’s just wrong. Legal but wrong. An example of a bad system then. The individual is simply playing by the rules of the day. Is this a new system introduced by this government or an old system that's been with successive governments. Maybe a good election pledge for an opposition party to close these opportunities Endemic for many years and many colours of government. It’s just getting worse because the wealth is concentrating more and more with fewer people. The EU wanted to crack down as did the US. Rishi agreed to crack down on avoidance in an recent agreement with the G7 . He only agreed to do this if financial services were kept out of the crack down.. This money isn’t being laundered by the local pie shop! 95% is financial institutions handling for corporations and rich individuals. The US we’re not happy. The U.K. is the avoidance country of choice. So both Tory and Labour have allowed this which is worrying as they are the only 2 parties likely to be in government to do something about it. Would this not be a good thing for Labour to pledge to stop these things happening if they were elected Labour should make this pledge. 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"Couldn't give a toss about media misquoting Boris to try and damage him. We would rather they gave more scrutiny of the talk about potentially raising the state pension age to 70. Then again, that might actually raise awareness for an issue that effects us all as opposed to keeping us divided and aregue amongst ourselves.... An example of a bad system then. The individual is simply playing by the rules of the day. Is this a new system introduced by this government or an old system that's been with successive governments. Maybe a good election pledge for an opposition party to close these opportunities Endemic for many years and many colours of government. It’s just getting worse because the wealth is concentrating more and more with fewer people. The EU wanted to crack down as did the US. Rishi agreed to crack down on avoidance in an recent agreement with the G7 . He only agreed to do this if financial services were kept out of the crack down.. This money isn’t being laundered by the local pie shop! 95% is financial institutions handling for corporations and rich individuals. The US we’re not happy. The U.K. is the avoidance country of choice. So both Tory and Labour have allowed this which is worrying as they are the only 2 parties likely to be in government to do something about it. Would this not be a good thing for Labour to pledge to stop these things happening if they were elected" There in lies the rub. If a party of any colour says unilaterally we’re going to tax you the companies or rich individuals have years to move their assets way out of reach so it’s impossible to give such advanced warnings. The opposing party would have a field day exploiting it for self interest never mind that it would benefit the country. With the U.K. in such a mess over Brexit no party can afford to attack the companies too hard alone. They are already being subsidised for threatening to leave without receiving said subsidies. They wanted compensating for the extra costs of Brexit. Nissan, Ford etc. The proposed tax changes can now only be implemented if the U.K. aligned with the EU and USA to act together. This was the plan of the EU which hastened the rush for brexit. It’s still possible to stop the company avoidance by imposing a sales tax if companies don’t comply by keeping profits in this country. The rich individuals would maybe move out but I doubt it. The U.K. is their home for reasons other than just tax. It’s a safe place to keep their money flowing through. Add to that British dominion piggy banks and it’s all good. Putins friends don’t keep their money in Russia because it’s not safe. The same is true for any autocratic state around the world which limits the choice of a safe place. If the rich individuals do leave we’re not losing anything anyway as they don’t pay tax now. Nothing to lose. If we close the offshore havens and say you are paying the basic rate then they will pay it. When Mrs thatcher dropped the super tax rate from 83% to 40% there was a flood of U.K. nationals moving back to the U.K. | |||
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