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"Yes " Are you bothered by taking a stance that benefits Putin? | |||
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"How has it benefited putin exactly? " Brexit caused econonomic and political damage to both the UK and the EU. Sounds like a win for Putin. A quote attributed to a Russian ambassador, Yakovenko: “We have crushed the British to the ground, they are on their knees and they will not rise for a very long time.” | |||
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"How has it benefited putin exactly? Brexit caused econonomic and political damage to both the UK and the EU. Sounds like a win for Putin. A quote attributed to a Russian ambassador, Yakovenko: “We have crushed the British to the ground, they are on their knees and they will not rise for a very long time.”" A bit extreme but I do believe we are definitely worse off and therefore much weaker. Covid hasn’t helped but Brexit is the biggest damage for our future. | |||
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"The policy of Merkel to increase the reliance of Germany and therefore the rest of Europe on russian gas and oil over the last 20years, nevermind how this has funded Putin's military capabilities, seems to have been forgotten by all of those of a certain political leaning. I notice she isn't mentioned on a different thread "traitors list" presumably because she's not a British Tory???" Pretty sure that's a different thread to this one. So I'm guessing you don't want to address the topic of this thread... | |||
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"The policy of Merkel to increase the reliance of Germany and therefore the rest of Europe on russian gas and oil over the last 20years, nevermind how this has funded Putin's military capabilities, seems to have been forgotten by all of those of a certain political leaning. I notice she isn't mentioned on a different thread "traitors list" presumably because she's not a British Tory??? Pretty sure that's a different thread to this one. So I'm guessing you don't want to address the topic of this thread..." No, I absolutely did. The thread is blaming Brexit once again. I am pointing out that the EU is to blame | |||
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"The policy of Merkel to increase the reliance of Germany and therefore the rest of Europe on russian gas and oil over the last 20years, nevermind how this has funded Putin's military capabilities, seems to have been forgotten by all of those of a certain political leaning. I notice she isn't mentioned on a different thread "traitors list" presumably because she's not a British Tory??? Pretty sure that's a different thread to this one. So I'm guessing you don't want to address the topic of this thread... No, I absolutely did. The thread is blaming Brexit once again. I am pointing out that the EU is to blame " Ah I see. So Brexit didn't benefit Putin? | |||
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"So Putin's not benefitted from Brexit? And he's the good guy or just misunderstood? "Dont try and twist peoples words because you dont like the answer,where have i said he is a good guy or misunderstood? dont you realize that people can just scroll back and see whats actually been said.  | |||
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"So Putin's not benefitted from Brexit? And he's the good guy or just misunderstood? Dont try and twist peoples words because you dont like the answer,where have i said he is a good guy or misunderstood? dont you realize that people can just scroll back and see whats actually been said. "Yup it's all my fault. So do you think Putin benefitted from Brexit? (That think that divided and weakened the UK and the EU just like he wanted.) And do think Brexit (that thing that beenfitted Putin) is a good thing? | |||
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"So Putin's not benefitted from Brexit? And he's the good guy or just misunderstood? Dont try and twist peoples words because you dont like the answer,where have i said he is a good guy or misunderstood? dont you realize that people can just scroll back and see whats actually been said.
Yup it's all my fault.
So do you think Putin benefitted from Brexit? (That think that divided and weakened the UK and the EU just like he wanted.)
And do think Brexit (that thing that beenfitted Putin) is a good thing?"Nope brexit has not weakened the UK or EU they are standing together against putin just like the USA ,Australia etc who were never in the EU | |||
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"So Putin's not benefitted from Brexit? And he's the good guy or just misunderstood? Dont try and twist peoples words because you dont like the answer,where have i said he is a good guy or misunderstood? dont you realize that people can just scroll back and see whats actually been said.
Yup it's all my fault.
So do you think Putin benefitted from Brexit? (That think that divided and weakened the UK and the EU just like he wanted.)
And do think Brexit (that thing that beenfitted Putin) is a good thing?Nope brexit has not weakened the UK or EU they are standing together against putin just like the USA ,Australia etc who were never in the EU "Brexit didn't weaken us? Hahahahaha If you can be bothered, go and read up on the endless economic damage it's done to us. And look up the mountains of red tape that have sprung up between us and the EU. Or look up the industries that have been ruined. Or look at the endless Brexit-related lies told by our government and the resulting loss of international trust. Or just keep drinking that kool aid... | |||
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"Brexit weakened the UK and the EU. This clearly benefitted Putin. It's v likely Putin interfered in the Brexit vote, too. (Documented twitter bots alone strongly hint at that.) In the light of what is going on now with Putin and the Ukraine, the West needs to stand together. Do you still think Brexit is a good idea?" No I dont never did but find the idea that Russia interfered preposterous we have our own home grown folks who bend over backwards for Russia and imperialist regimes without them even asking. Of course these people(main public pushers of brexit) never anticipated or cared about the consequences of their actions and would happily back the UK’s dissolution for their own delusional reasons. | |||
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"Brexit weakened the UK and the EU. This clearly benefitted Putin. It's v likely Putin interfered in the Brexit vote, too. (Documented twitter bots alone strongly hint at that.) In the light of what is going on now with Putin and the Ukraine, the West needs to stand together. Do you still think Brexit is a good idea? No I dont never did but find the idea that Russia interfered preposterous we have our own home grown folks who bend over backwards for Russia and imperialist regimes without them even asking. Of course these people(main public pushers of brexit) never anticipated or cared about the consequences of their actions and would happily back the UK’s dissolution for their own delusional reasons." Yup, ridiculous to suggest Russia may have interfered. On another topic, here's an old quote: The Times reports that the study tracked 156,252 Russian accounts which mentioned #Brexit, and also found Russian accounts posted almost 45,000 messages pertaining to the EU referendum in the 48 hours around the vote. | |||
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"Yes " You're not alone. Upto 18% of the population still think it was a good idea, before Xmas anyway. I assume nothing in the way of real life information and the actual reality of Brexit will have changed their dogmatic opinion. I know you can't always trust surveys. But still, even that one person (outside of the select few multi billionaires who benefitted) still believes brexit is a good idea is completely bonkers. | |||
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""Do you still think Brexit is a good idea?" No, and I'm going to vote against it in the Referendum... Oh, I forgot, there's already been a Referendum in June 2016, 52% of voters wanted to leave and we haven't been a member of the EU since 23:00 on 31 January 2020. All in all a pretty pointless debate!" Still, you have to laugh that some people are still hanging on to the dream. "It's just a flesh wound" - The Black Knight. | |||
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"Brexit weakened the UK and the EU. This clearly benefitted Putin. It's v likely Putin interfered in the Brexit vote, too. (Documented twitter bots alone strongly hint at that.) In the light of what is going on now with Putin and the Ukraine, the West needs to stand together. Do you still think Brexit is a good idea? No I dont never did but find the idea that Russia interfered preposterous we have our own home grown folks who bend over backwards for Russia and imperialist regimes without them even asking. Of course these people(main public pushers of brexit) never anticipated or cared about the consequences of their actions and would happily back the UK’s dissolution for their own delusional reasons. Yup, ridiculous to suggest Russia may have interfered. On another topic, here's an old quote: The Times reports that the study tracked 156,252 Russian accounts which mentioned #Brexit, and also found Russian accounts posted almost 45,000 messages pertaining to the EU referendum in the 48 hours around the vote." Yes and? Thats in no way the same thing as Putin interfering unless you can find proof that in any way swayed the vote,All countries(apart from us for some weird reason) push things that benefit them openly its one of the few normal things Russia does. Russia has done much worse things to us that should have led to us boycotting them outright at least a decade ago. By the way brexit is and always will be a bad idea made even worse by the need to posture around it. | |||
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"Brexit weakened the UK and the EU. This clearly benefitted Putin. It's v likely Putin interfered in the Brexit vote, too. (Documented twitter bots alone strongly hint at that.) In the light of what is going on now with Putin and the Ukraine, the West needs to stand together. Do you still think Brexit is a good idea? No I dont never did but find the idea that Russia interfered preposterous we have our own home grown folks who bend over backwards for Russia and imperialist regimes without them even asking. Of course these people(main public pushers of brexit) never anticipated or cared about the consequences of their actions and would happily back the UK’s dissolution for their own delusional reasons. Yup, ridiculous to suggest Russia may have interfered. On another topic, here's an old quote: The Times reports that the study tracked 156,252 Russian accounts which mentioned #Brexit, and also found Russian accounts posted almost 45,000 messages pertaining to the EU referendum in the 48 hours around the vote. Yes and? Thats in no way the same thing as Putin interfering unless you can find proof that in any way swayed the vote,All countries(apart from us for some weird reason) push things that benefit them openly its one of the few normal things Russia does. Russia has done much worse things to us that should have led to us boycotting them outright at least a decade ago. By the way brexit is and always will be a bad idea made even worse by the need to posture around it." mhm  | |||
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"It’s fucked a lot of things up for me. Not sure how it helped Putin though? " The suggestion is that fucking up the economy here, and slightly damaging the EU, hence has weakened both the UK, and EU countries (to a much lesser degree). Which benefits Putin's agenda. I don't know if I agree how much it really benefits him, it's extremely hard to qualify. I'm just here for the bants with the brexit-is-a-good-idea people.  | |||
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"It’s fucked a lot of things up for me. Not sure how it helped Putin though? The suggestion is that fucking up the economy here, and slightly damaging the EU, hence has weakened both the UK, and EU countries (to a much lesser degree). Which benefits Putin's agenda. I don't know if I agree how much it really benefits him, it's extremely hard to qualify. I'm just here for the bants with the brexit-is-a-good-idea people. "lol | |||
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"Brexit had nothing to do with Merkel's policy of over reliance on Russian gas and oil fie the last 20years. That is the singular thing that has weakened the EU. Accept it. " So Putin didn't want Brexit? And Brexit didn't benefit him? And Russia didn't interfere in the Brexit vote? | |||
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"Brexit had nothing to do with Merkel's policy of over reliance on Russian gas and oil fie the last 20years. That is the singular thing that has weakened the EU. Accept it. " Interesting. Much like this post has nothing to do with the thread about the UK being weaker, benefitting Putin, or not. | |||
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"Brexit had nothing to do with Merkel's policy of over reliance on Russian gas and oil fie the last 20years. That is the singular thing that has weakened the EU. Accept it. Interesting. Much like this post has nothing to do with the thread about the UK being weaker, benefitting Putin, or not." Do you deny the comment? | |||
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"Brexit had nothing to do with Merkel's policy of over reliance on Russian gas and oil fie the last 20years. That is the singular thing that has weakened the EU. Accept it. Interesting. Much like this post has nothing to do with the thread about the UK being weaker, benefitting Putin, or not. Do you deny the comment?" That the UK being weakened by Brexit has benefitted Putin? I don't deny or confirm it. I suspect that it's too difficult to qualify or quantify either way. | |||
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"Brexit had nothing to do with Merkel's policy of over reliance on Russian gas and oil fie the last 20years. That is the singular thing that has weakened the EU. Accept it. Interesting. Much like this post has nothing to do with the thread about the UK being weaker, benefitting Putin, or not. Do you deny the comment? That the UK being weakened by Brexit has benefitted Putin? I don't deny or confirm it. I suspect that it's too difficult to qualify or quantify either way. " As you well know, the comment is that the EU was weakened by Merkel over 20years, not by Brexit. Are you so obsessed that you cannot accept the obvious truth | |||
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"If we are talking about Putin’s political objectives and policies (rather than benefitting him as an individual) then one thing is becoming clear, he has screwed up and made a miscalculation. He clearly set about playing a long game of destabilising the countries and corrupting the leaders of the “west” with the pinnacle of his success being Trump and Boris Johnski. Russian money has purchased serious influence over the Republicans and the Tories. He also achieved a huge over-reliance on Russian gas in the EU. Emboldened by the annexation/occupation of Crimea, I suspect he thought the West was weak and had been further weakened (dis unified) by Brexit and the distracted by the pandemic. I think the relatively unified response and consistent condemnation from most countries in the world has surprised him and his plans could backfire. The world (and peace) needs China to align with the West and the Gulf states to not focus greedy eyes on rising oil prices and instead up production to counter Russian sanctions." If you expect China to side with anyone other than Putin you are likely to be disappointed | |||
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"If we are talking about Putin’s political objectives and policies (rather than benefitting him as an individual) then one thing is becoming clear, he has screwed up and made a miscalculation. He clearly set about playing a long game of destabilising the countries and corrupting the leaders of the “west” with the pinnacle of his success being Trump and Boris Johnski. Russian money has purchased serious influence over the Republicans and the Tories. He also achieved a huge over-reliance on Russian gas in the EU. Emboldened by the annexation/occupation of Crimea, I suspect he thought the West was weak and had been further weakened (dis unified) by Brexit and the distracted by the pandemic. I think the relatively unified response and consistent condemnation from most countries in the world has surprised him and his plans could backfire. The world (and peace) needs China to align with the West and the Gulf states to not focus greedy eyes on rising oil prices and instead up production to counter Russian sanctions. If you expect China to side with anyone other than Putin you are likely to be disappointed " But I'm sure some on here will blame that on Brexit too  | |||
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"If we are talking about Putin’s political objectives and policies (rather than benefitting him as an individual) then one thing is becoming clear, he has screwed up and made a miscalculation. He clearly set about playing a long game of destabilising the countries and corrupting the leaders of the “west” with the pinnacle of his success being Trump and Boris Johnski. Russian money has purchased serious influence over the Republicans and the Tories. He also achieved a huge over-reliance on Russian gas in the EU. Emboldened by the annexation/occupation of Crimea, I suspect he thought the West was weak and had been further weakened (dis unified) by Brexit and the distracted by the pandemic. I think the relatively unified response and consistent condemnation from most countries in the world has surprised him and his plans could backfire. The world (and peace) needs China to align with the West and the Gulf states to not focus greedy eyes on rising oil prices and instead up production to counter Russian sanctions. If you expect China to side with anyone other than Putin you are likely to be disappointed " Sadly that is true. More likely they may move closer forming a trade and defensive bloc igniting a new cold war! However, China have just announced humanitarian aid for Ukraine which is fairly symbolic. | |||
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"Brexit had nothing to do with Merkel's policy of over reliance on Russian gas and oil fie the last 20years. That is the singular thing that has weakened the EU. Accept it. Interesting. Much like this post has nothing to do with the thread about the UK being weaker, benefitting Putin, or not. Do you deny the comment? That the UK being weakened by Brexit has benefitted Putin? I don't deny or confirm it. I suspect that it's too difficult to qualify or quantify either way. As you well know, the comment is that the EU was weakened by Merkel over 20years, not by Brexit. Are you so obsessed that you cannot accept the obvious truth" Yeah sure. Brexit didn't weaken the EU as much as it did the UK. It really fucked us over. So I agree with you on that. Not sure what this has to do with the OP though. | |||
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"Brexit weakened the UK and the EU. This clearly benefitted Putin. It's v likely Putin interfered in the Brexit vote, too. (Documented twitter bots alone strongly hint at that.) In the light of what is going on now with Putin and the Ukraine, the West needs to stand together. Do you still think Brexit is a good idea?" If the UK stayed in the EU would that have stopped the invasion of Ukraine. If the invasion had still taken place would the actions taken by the EU and UK be any different. I agree with a few others that Putin miscalculated and has actually brought much of the world together rather than divided. He has also made the case for NATO membership far better than anyone else. | |||
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"Brexit weakened the UK and the EU. This clearly benefitted Putin. It's v likely Putin interfered in the Brexit vote, too. (Documented twitter bots alone strongly hint at that.) In the light of what is going on now with Putin and the Ukraine, the West needs to stand together. Do you still think Brexit is a good idea? If the UK stayed in the EU would that have stopped the invasion of Ukraine. If the invasion had still taken place would the actions taken by the EU and UK be any different. I agree with a few others that Putin miscalculated and has actually brought much of the world together rather than divided. He has also made the case for NATO membership far better than anyone else." Whether an EU with Britain still in would have reacted differently is kind of moot though because Putin clearly believed the disunity would be to the benefit of Russia. Who knows, perhaps he was trying to orchestrate the eventual collapse or weakening of NATO which Trump would have accelerated (ie significantly reduced reliance on USA). | |||
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"Brexit weakened the UK and the EU. This clearly benefitted Putin. It's v likely Putin interfered in the Brexit vote, too. (Documented twitter bots alone strongly hint at that.) In the light of what is going on now with Putin and the Ukraine, the West needs to stand together. Do you still think Brexit is a good idea?" yes brexit is the best for britain coz as we all can see the E.U. do not have the balls to take on putin | |||
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"Brexit weakened the UK and the EU. This clearly benefitted Putin. It's v likely Putin interfered in the Brexit vote, too. (Documented twitter bots alone strongly hint at that.) In the light of what is going on now with Putin and the Ukraine, the West needs to stand together. Do you still think Brexit is a good idea? If the UK stayed in the EU would that have stopped the invasion of Ukraine. If the invasion had still taken place would the actions taken by the EU and UK be any different. I agree with a few others that Putin miscalculated and has actually brought much of the world together rather than divided. He has also made the case for NATO membership far better than anyone else. Whether an EU with Britain still in would have reacted differently is kind of moot though because Putin clearly believed the disunity would be to the benefit of Russia. Who knows, perhaps he was trying to orchestrate the eventual collapse or weakening of NATO which Trump would have accelerated (ie significantly reduced reliance on USA)." You may think it's moot but I am curious as to would it have prevented invasion of Ukraine and would the resulting actions been any different. My initial thoughts are it shows that countries around the world regardless of if they in things like EU ect or not can work together for a common cause | |||
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"Why is it when people are suffering and dying nob heads still keep trying to score points on the brexit argument? "I’ll bite - it is likely that argument is made by people who voted leave because many just want it to all go away as they can never admit they made a mistake or were misled. Putin - corruption in British politics - Brexit - Ukraine invasion are all linked. Not about scoring points, it’s about ensuring we do not forget that the British public were manipulated. Sorry if that is a hard pill to swallow. Signed “Knob Head” | |||
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"To answer the OP, yes I still think voting to leave the EU was a good idea. Even though the UK did not get a vote on joining it I'm very happy we had a vote to leave. Is the UK weaker because we left the EU is a loaded question because we are just coming out of two years of covid. Saying the Russians influenced the vote is a pile of shite imo.!" Everything after "voting to leave the EU was a good idea" can be taken with a pinch of salt then? Lol.  | |||
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"Why is it when people are suffering and dying nob heads still keep trying to score points on the brexit argument? "I don’t think it’s point scoring . I think it’s pointing out Putin started in a democratic country and with lying and cheating managed to become all powerful and undermine the fledgling Russian democracy. Boris and his Russian chums are at the early stages of undermining our democracy. The Russian initial report on undue influence is smothered to stop a fuller report being triggered. Why is that if we are free of influence? Surely we should be lifting every stone to expose this? Boris says there’s nothing to see here move along. That’s the point not just Brexit it’s what’s or who is behind the party in charge of this country. Any patriotic person in this country should be appalled that the enquiry is being obstructed. Why do we need to gag the press? Why do we need the government to be able to overrule our court system? Alarm bells should be ringing in everyone heads but the Stockholm syndrome is rife in this country. Wake up people. | |||
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"To answer the OP, yes I still think voting to leave the EU was a good idea. Even though the UK did not get a vote on joining it I'm very happy we had a vote to leave. Is the UK weaker because we left the EU is a loaded question because we are just coming out of two years of covid. Saying the Russians influenced the vote is a pile of shite imo.! Everything after "voting to leave the EU was a good idea" can be taken with a pinch of salt then? Lol. "You still haven't commented on Merkel's policy over 20years? Could it be that you just can't bring yourself to apportion blame to someone so revered? | |||
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"To answer the OP, yes I still think voting to leave the EU was a good idea. Even though the UK did not get a vote on joining it I'm very happy we had a vote to leave. Is the UK weaker because we left the EU is a loaded question because we are just coming out of two years of covid. Saying the Russians influenced the vote is a pile of shite imo.! Everything after "voting to leave the EU was a good idea" can be taken with a pinch of salt then? Lol.
You still haven't commented on Merkel's policy over 20years? Could it be that you just can't bring yourself to apportion blame to someone so revered?"I did. I agreed with you that Brexit fucked us over much more than it did the EU. What's any of this got to do with the thread? | |||
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"To answer the OP, yes I still think voting to leave the EU was a good idea. Even though the UK did not get a vote on joining it I'm very happy we had a vote to leave. Is the UK weaker because we left the EU is a loaded question because we are just coming out of two years of covid. Saying the Russians influenced the vote is a pile of shite imo.! Everything after "voting to leave the EU was a good idea" can be taken with a pinch of salt then? Lol.
You still haven't commented on Merkel's policy over 20years? Could it be that you just can't bring yourself to apportion blame to someone so revered?
I did. I agreed with you that Brexit fucked us over much more than it did the EU.
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"Instead of trying to use brexit you should look at your beloved Eu and in particular Germany and Merkel for even agreeing to Nord stream 2.I said months ago on this very forum putin,s goal was to deprive the Ukraine of income by by-passing the pipeline that runs through it.Putin saw this as a sign although misguided that the eu didnt give a fuck about the Ukraine economy and took his chance.So however much you hate brexit and try to blame it for the worlds woes you are way off the mark and shows how obsessive you are over it. " I can’t see how the German economic ministers would put Ukraine over their own interests? They are not a charity. We fucked over our own coal Industry to save money and buy imported coal remember. The U.K. would have been marginally effected by Nordstream 2 whether in or out of the EU. Many countries countries in the EU. would also not be affected at all. We, like “all” countries can supply our own deals on fuel and energies so not sure how you blame the EU for this? Blame Germany if you like for looking after their own economy but not the EU. | |||
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"Instead of trying to use brexit you should look at your beloved Eu and in particular Germany and Merkel for even agreeing to Nord stream 2.I said months ago on this very forum putin,s goal was to deprive the Ukraine of income by by-passing the pipeline that runs through it.Putin saw this as a sign although misguided that the eu didnt give a fuck about the Ukraine economy and took his chance.So however much you hate brexit and try to blame it for the worlds woes you are way off the mark and shows how obsessive you are over it. I can’t see how the German economic ministers would put Ukraine over their own interests? They are not a charity. We fucked over our own coal Industry to save money and buy imported coal remember. The U.K. would have been marginally effected by Nordstream 2 whether in or out of the EU. Many countries countries in the EU. would also not be affected at all. We, like “all” countries can supply our own deals on fuel and energies so not sure how you blame the EU for this? Blame Germany if you like for looking after their own economy but not the EU. " Understand but the EU IS Germany, like it or not | |||
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"Instead of trying to use brexit you should look at your beloved Eu and in particular Germany and Merkel for even agreeing to Nord stream 2.I said months ago on this very forum putin,s goal was to deprive the Ukraine of income by by-passing the pipeline that runs through it.Putin saw this as a sign although misguided that the eu didnt give a fuck about the Ukraine economy and took his chance.So however much you hate brexit and try to blame it for the worlds woes you are way off the mark and shows how obsessive you are over it. I can’t see how the German economic ministers would put Ukraine over their own interests? They are not a charity. We fucked over our own coal Industry to save money and buy imported coal remember. The U.K. would have been marginally effected by Nordstream 2 whether in or out of the EU. Many countries countries in the EU. would also not be affected at all. We, like “all” countries can supply our own deals on fuel and energies so not sure how you blame the EU for this? Blame Germany if you like for looking after their own economy but not the EU. " well if you read what i wrote i did say particularly Germany but also as i said the eu. The benefits of connecting Nord Stream 2 to Europe's natural gas grid. The Nord Stream 2 Pipeline will transport natural gas into the European Union to enhance security of supply, support climate goals and strengthen the internal energy market. The EU's domestic gas production is in rapid decline. That says it all. | |||
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"Why is it when people are suffering and dying nob heads still keep trying to score points on the brexit argument?
I don’t think it’s point scoring . I think it’s pointing out Putin started in a democratic country and with lying and cheating managed to become all powerful and undermine the fledgling Russian democracy.
Boris and his Russian chums are at the early stages of undermining our democracy.
The Russian initial report on undue influence is smothered to stop a fuller report being triggered. Why is that if we are free of influence? Surely we should be lifting every stone to expose this? Boris says there’s nothing to see here move along. That’s the point not just Brexit it’s what’s or who is behind the party in charge of this country. Any patriotic person in this country should be appalled that the enquiry is being obstructed. Why do we need to gag the press? Why do we need the government to be able to overrule our court system? Alarm bells should be ringing in everyone heads but the Stockholm syndrome is rife in this country. Wake up people. "I think you need to wake up. If the other party had been voted into power, remember the one with the terrorist suppoter who wants the UK to give up our nuclear deterrent as leader. The UK would probably be a staging post for a Russian invasion of Europe now.! | |||
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"Instead of trying to use brexit you should look at your beloved Eu and in particular Germany and Merkel for even agreeing to Nord stream 2.I said months ago on this very forum putin,s goal was to deprive the Ukraine of income by by-passing the pipeline that runs through it.Putin saw this as a sign although misguided that the eu didnt give a fuck about the Ukraine economy and took his chance.So however much you hate brexit and try to blame it for the worlds woes you are way off the mark and shows how obsessive you are over it. I can’t see how the German economic ministers would put Ukraine over their own interests? They are not a charity. We fucked over our own coal Industry to save money and buy imported coal remember. The U.K. would have been marginally effected by Nordstream 2 whether in or out of the EU. Many countries countries in the EU. would also not be affected at all. We, like “all” countries can supply our own deals on fuel and energies so not sure how you blame the EU for this? Blame Germany if you like for looking after their own economy but not the EU. well if you read what i wrote i did say particularly Germany but also as i said the eu. The benefits of connecting Nord Stream 2 to Europe's natural gas grid. The Nord Stream 2 Pipeline will transport natural gas into the European Union to enhance security of supply, support climate goals and strengthen the internal energy market. The EU's domestic gas production is in rapid decline. That says it all." And it hasn't been cancelled, just put on hold while nordstream1 continues with £1bn a day flowing into Russia... | |||
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"Why is it when people are suffering and dying nob heads still keep trying to score points on the brexit argument?
I’ll bite - it is likely that argument is made by people who voted leave because many just want it to all go away as they can never admit they made a mistake or were misled.
Putin - corruption in British politics - Brexit - Ukraine invasion are all linked. Not about scoring points, it’s about ensuring we do not forget that the British public were manipulated.
Sorry if that is a hard pill to swallow.
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"Why is it when people are suffering and dying nob heads still keep trying to score points on the brexit argument? "They just cant stand the thought that the majority didnt think the same as them and are constantly looking for reasons to confirm to themselves they were right no matter how absurd it is. | |||
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"Instead of trying to use brexit you should look at your beloved Eu and in particular Germany and Merkel for even agreeing to Nord stream 2.I said months ago on this very forum putin,s goal was to deprive the Ukraine of income by by-passing the pipeline that runs through it.Putin saw this as a sign although misguided that the eu didnt give a fuck about the Ukraine economy and took his chance.So however much you hate brexit and try to blame it for the worlds woes you are way off the mark and shows how obsessive you are over it. I can’t see how the German economic ministers would put Ukraine over their own interests? They are not a charity. We fucked over our own coal Industry to save money and buy imported coal remember. The U.K. would have been marginally effected by Nordstream 2 whether in or out of the EU. Many countries countries in the EU. would also not be affected at all. We, like “all” countries can supply our own deals on fuel and energies so not sure how you blame the EU for this? Blame Germany if you like for looking after their own economy but not the EU. well if you read what i wrote i did say particularly Germany but also as i said the eu. The benefits of connecting Nord Stream 2 to Europe's natural gas grid. The Nord Stream 2 Pipeline will transport natural gas into the European Union to enhance security of supply, support climate goals and strengthen the internal energy market. The EU's domestic gas production is in rapid decline. That says it all." You keep saying EU instead of European you must correct that. Energy supply is the responsibility of individual countries and European countries can work together to benefit from pooled supply but its not controlled by the EU . Countries are making investments in multiple supply chains on energy. They are planning for the future just like we do. The Germans and the rest of Europe just like us can find alternatives. The fact we have taken massive Russian investments, does that mean we’ve fucked over Ukraine too? We are the biggest home for Russian money remember. The Germans and others including the U.K. invested in alternatives and multiple supply chains options are always good regarding critical industry. You are implying the Germans and other Europeans have set out to damage the Ukraine which is nonsense. They have intended to secure energy. We buy huge amounts of gas through Europe but lucky for us Norway is close by. | |||
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"You could be for or against Brexit. But this take is far reaching. Do you think Putin wouldn't have invaded Ukraine if Brexit didn't happen? Do you think a stronger/bigger EU would have made a difference in response to Putin's move? I think the answer is no to both. I think the answer to both is yes" How? Putin's reason to attack Ukraine has nothing to do with Europe being strong or not. He knew that if Ukraine was attacked, no one would interfere directly in the war because that could escalate into something worse. Even if Brexit didn't happen, it would have been same types of sanctions that are imposed on Russia. I do see anything different to have happened if the UK was in the EU. | |||
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"Instead of trying to use brexit you should look at your beloved Eu and in particular Germany and Merkel for even agreeing to Nord stream 2.I said months ago on this very forum putin,s goal was to deprive the Ukraine of income by by-passing the pipeline that runs through it.Putin saw this as a sign although misguided that the eu didnt give a fuck about the Ukraine economy and took his chance.So however much you hate brexit and try to blame it for the worlds woes you are way off the mark and shows how obsessive you are over it. I can’t see how the German economic ministers would put Ukraine over their own interests? They are not a charity. We fucked over our own coal Industry to save money and buy imported coal remember. The U.K. would have been marginally effected by Nordstream 2 whether in or out of the EU. Many countries countries in the EU. would also not be affected at all. We, like “all” countries can supply our own deals on fuel and energies so not sure how you blame the EU for this? Blame Germany if you like for looking after their own economy but not the EU. well if you read what i wrote i did say particularly Germany but also as i said the eu. The benefits of connecting Nord Stream 2 to Europe's natural gas grid. The Nord Stream 2 Pipeline will transport natural gas into the European Union to enhance security of supply, support climate goals and strengthen the internal energy market. The EU's domestic gas production is in rapid decline. That says it all. You keep saying EU instead of European you must correct that. Energy supply is the responsibility of individual countries and European countries can work together to benefit from pooled supply but its not controlled by the EU . Countries are making investments in multiple supply chains on energy. They are planning for the future just like we do. The Germans and the rest of Europe just like us can find alternatives. The fact we have taken massive Russian investments, does that mean we’ve fucked over Ukraine too? We are the biggest home for Russian money remember. The Germans and others including the U.K. invested in alternatives and multiple supply chains options are always good regarding critical industry. You are implying the Germans and other Europeans have set out to damage the Ukraine which is nonsense. They have intended to secure energy. We buy huge amounts of gas through Europe but lucky for us Norway is close by. " Im not implying that at all, i have not said they set out to do it but a blind man could have seen how putin would have read it and if i remember right there were people in the EU saying exactly the same thing yet it was not stopped. | |||
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"Instead of trying to use brexit you should look at your beloved Eu and in particular Germany and Merkel for even agreeing to Nord stream 2.I said months ago on this very forum putin,s goal was to deprive the Ukraine of income by by-passing the pipeline that runs through it.Putin saw this as a sign although misguided that the eu didnt give a fuck about the Ukraine economy and took his chance.So however much you hate brexit and try to blame it for the worlds woes you are way off the mark and shows how obsessive you are over it. I can’t see how the German economic ministers would put Ukraine over their own interests? They are not a charity. We fucked over our own coal Industry to save money and buy imported coal remember. The U.K. would have been marginally effected by Nordstream 2 whether in or out of the EU. Many countries countries in the EU. would also not be affected at all. We, like “all” countries can supply our own deals on fuel and energies so not sure how you blame the EU for this? Blame Germany if you like for looking after their own economy but not the EU. well if you read what i wrote i did say particularly Germany but also as i said the eu. The benefits of connecting Nord Stream 2 to Europe's natural gas grid. The Nord Stream 2 Pipeline will transport natural gas into the European Union to enhance security of supply, support climate goals and strengthen the internal energy market. The EU's domestic gas production is in rapid decline. That says it all. You keep saying EU instead of European you must correct that. Energy supply is the responsibility of individual countries and European countries can work together to benefit from pooled supply but its not controlled by the EU . Countries are making investments in multiple supply chains on energy. They are planning for the future just like we do. The Germans and the rest of Europe just like us can find alternatives. The fact we have taken massive Russian investments, does that mean we’ve fucked over Ukraine too? We are the biggest home for Russian money remember. The Germans and others including the U.K. invested in alternatives and multiple supply chains options are always good regarding critical industry. You are implying the Germans and other Europeans have set out to damage the Ukraine which is nonsense. They have intended to secure energy. We buy huge amounts of gas through Europe but lucky for us Norway is close by. Im not implying that at all, i have not said they set out to do it but a blind man could have seen how putin would have read it and if i remember right there were people in the EU saying exactly the same thing yet it was not stopped." Think you’ll find the west doing fuck all to Putin after he invaded The Crimea gave him the confidence to attack and the Nordstream was just money he didn’t have to pay Ukraine transit fees. The West in general sitting on our hands along with Brexit discourse and the U.K. happily hosting his mates and his money all contributed too but I believe our inaction in 2014 was his biggest trigger. | |||
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"To answer the OP, yes I still think voting to leave the EU was a good idea. Even though the UK did not get a vote on joining it I'm very happy we had a vote to leave. Is the UK weaker because we left the EU is a loaded question because we are just coming out of two years of covid. Saying the Russians influenced the vote is a pile of shite imo.! Everything after "voting to leave the EU was a good idea" can be taken with a pinch of salt then? Lol.
You still haven't commented on Merkel's policy over 20years? Could it be that you just can't bring yourself to apportion blame to someone so revered?
I did. I agreed with you that Brexit fucked us over much more than it did the EU.
What's any of this got to do with the thread?
No, my point is Merkel fucked the EU regarding Russian oil and gas and your ilk refuse to acknowledge it. C'mon, it's not so hard to accept "I have no opinion on your unrelated points. How's that? | |||
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You still haven't commented on Merkel's policy over 20years? Could it be that you just can't bring yourself to apportion blame to someone so revered?
I did. I agreed with you that Brexit fucked us over much more than it did the EU.
What's any of this got to do with the thread?
No, my point is Merkel fucked the EU regarding Russian oil and gas and your ilk refuse to acknowledge it. C'mon, it's not so hard to accept
I have no opinion on your unrelated points.
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"I am just going to observe that the OP (mrmanslut) has trolled pretty much everyone on this thread. Go back and look at his interactions. The overwhelming majority of them is him making or responding to a statement with a question (typically some vague pseudo question about how others have helped Putin?). It is actually a very good tactic to get everyone riled and also leaves him the ability to claim the high ground. Everyone has been trolled." Seriously ????? Brexit has weakened the U.K. and has weakened the EU. Who but bad actors could benefit from such an outcome? It is ludicrous to argue against any suggestion that Russia has sought to influence referendums and elections in the West. The people that voted for Brexit were played by propaganda - no matter how hard that might be for them to accept.” | |||
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"I am just going to observe that the OP (mrmanslut) has trolled pretty much everyone on this thread. Go back and look at his interactions. The overwhelming majority of them is him making or responding to a statement with a question (typically some vague pseudo question about how others have helped Putin?). It is actually a very good tactic to get everyone riled and also leaves him the ability to claim the high ground. Everyone has been trolled. Seriously ????? Brexit has weakened the U.K. and has weakened the EU. Who but bad actors could benefit from such an outcome? It is ludicrous to argue against any suggestion that Russia has sought to influence referendums and elections in the West. The people that voted for Brexit were played by propaganda - no matter how hard that might be for them to accept.”" I haven’t made any pro or anti Brexit comment. I simply observed his tactics. Your reaction has proved that he has found a rich seam to mine for anger
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"Why is it when people are suffering and dying nob heads still keep trying to score points on the brexit argument? They just cant stand the thought that the majority didnt think the same as them and are constantly looking for reasons to confirm to themselves they were right no matter how absurd it is. "Nah it is because that majority of those who voted (not majority of the country) were wrong and many were duped and ALL opinion polls now support remain and reject Brexit. | |||
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"Why is it when people are suffering and dying nob heads still keep trying to score points on the brexit argument? They just cant stand the thought that the majority didnt think the same as them and are constantly looking for reasons to confirm to themselves they were right no matter how absurd it is.
Nah it is because that majority of those who voted (not majority of the country) were wrong and many were duped and ALL opinion polls now support remain and reject Brexit."Of course they do, because they now know its was a Brexit for Putin and his Chums like Boris, JRM, and Farage. | |||
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"I am just going to observe that the OP (mrmanslut) has trolled pretty much everyone on this thread. Go back and look at his interactions. The overwhelming majority of them is him making or responding to a statement with a question (typically some vague pseudo question about how others have helped Putin?). It is actually a very good tactic to get everyone riled and also leaves him the ability to claim the high ground. Everyone has been trolled. Seriously ????? Brexit has weakened the U.K. and has weakened the EU. Who but bad actors could benefit from such an outcome? It is ludicrous to argue against any suggestion that Russia has sought to influence referendums and elections in the West. The people that voted for Brexit were played by propaganda - no matter how hard that might be for them to accept.”" 1.the UK has not been weakened by Brexit and the EU weakens itself 2. More people voted for the Brexit propaganda than the remain propaganda. You need to accept it Typically those who lose are the biggest gobshites. | |||
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"I am just going to observe that the OP (mrmanslut) has trolled pretty much everyone on this thread. Go back and look at his interactions. The overwhelming majority of them is him making or responding to a statement with a question (typically some vague pseudo question about how others have helped Putin?). It is actually a very good tactic to get everyone riled and also leaves him the ability to claim the high ground. Everyone has been trolled. Seriously ????? Brexit has weakened the U.K. and has weakened the EU. Who but bad actors could benefit from such an outcome? It is ludicrous to argue against any suggestion that Russia has sought to influence referendums and elections in the West. The people that voted for Brexit were played by propaganda - no matter how hard that might be for them to accept.”" That is total cowpoo. I knew I wanted out of the EU as soon as Tony Blair didn't give the UK the referendum he promised. I didn't have to listen to all the run up to the actual referendum because I already knew I was going to vote to leave. I never wanted to be in the EU, I didn't like being in the EU so the first chance I had to voice my opinion I did.! | |||
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"I am just going to observe that the OP (mrmanslut) has trolled pretty much everyone on this thread. Go back and look at his interactions. The overwhelming majority of them is him making or responding to a statement with a question (typically some vague pseudo question about how others have helped Putin?). It is actually a very good tactic to get everyone riled and also leaves him the ability to claim the high ground. Everyone has been trolled. Seriously ????? Brexit has weakened the U.K. and has weakened the EU. Who but bad actors could benefit from such an outcome? It is ludicrous to argue against any suggestion that Russia has sought to influence referendums and elections in the West. The people that voted for Brexit were played by propaganda - no matter how hard that might be for them to accept.” 1.the UK has not been weakened by Brexit and the EU weakens itself 2. More people voted for the Brexit propaganda than the remain propaganda. You need to accept it Typically those who lose are the biggest gobshites. "The U.K. has been weakened economically . That’s a fact and our own government’s financial figures agree that. So your first point is incorrect. You second point is just a bad waste of a sentence. | |||
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"I am just going to observe that the OP (mrmanslut) has trolled pretty much everyone on this thread. Go back and look at his interactions. The overwhelming majority of them is him making or responding to a statement with a question (typically some vague pseudo question about how others have helped Putin?). It is actually a very good tactic to get everyone riled and also leaves him the ability to claim the high ground. Everyone has been trolled. Seriously ????? Brexit has weakened the U.K. and has weakened the EU. Who but bad actors could benefit from such an outcome? It is ludicrous to argue against any suggestion that Russia has sought to influence referendums and elections in the West. The people that voted for Brexit were played by propaganda - no matter how hard that might be for them to accept.” That is total cowpoo. I knew I wanted out of the EU as soon as Tony Blair didn't give the UK the referendum he promised. I didn't have to listen to all the run up to the actual referendum because I already knew I was going to vote to leave. I never wanted to be in the EU, I didn't like being in the EU so the first chance I had to voice my opinion I did.!" So you didn’t take any notice of the points or any facts around the argument or how it would hurt others you just “knew”. Brilliant just fucking brilliant!! And we wonder why we are in such a shit mess.. | |||
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"I am just going to observe that the OP (mrmanslut) has trolled pretty much everyone on this thread. Go back and look at his interactions. The overwhelming majority of them is him making or responding to a statement with a question (typically some vague pseudo question about how others have helped Putin?). It is actually a very good tactic to get everyone riled and also leaves him the ability to claim the high ground. Everyone has been trolled. Seriously ????? Brexit has weakened the U.K. and has weakened the EU. Who but bad actors could benefit from such an outcome? It is ludicrous to argue against any suggestion that Russia has sought to influence referendums and elections in the West. The people that voted for Brexit were played by propaganda - no matter how hard that might be for them to accept.” 1.the UK has not been weakened by Brexit and the EU weakens itself 2. More people voted for the Brexit propaganda than the remain propaganda. You need to accept it Typically those who lose are the biggest gobshites.
The U.K. has been weakened economically . That’s a fact and our own government’s financial figures agree that. So your first point is incorrect.
You second point is just a bad waste of a sentence. "Everyone has been weakened economically, not through brexit necessarily. My second point should resonate with anyone with an understanding of democracy | |||
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"To answer the OP, yes I still think voting to leave the EU was a good idea. Even though the UK did not get a vote on joining it I'm very happy we had a vote to leave. Is the UK weaker because we left the EU is a loaded question because we are just coming out of two years of covid. Saying the Russians influenced the vote is a pile of shite imo.! Everything after "voting to leave the EU was a good idea" can be taken with a pinch of salt then? Lol.
You still haven't commented on Merkel's policy over 20years? Could it be that you just can't bring yourself to apportion blame to someone so revered?
I did. I agreed with you that Brexit fucked us over much more than it did the EU.
What's any of this got to do with the thread?
No, my point is Merkel fucked the EU regarding Russian oil and gas and your ilk refuse to acknowledge it. C'mon, it's not so hard to accept
I have no opinion on your unrelated points.
How's that?
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"I am just going to observe that the OP (mrmanslut) has trolled pretty much everyone on this thread. Go back and look at his interactions. The overwhelming majority of them is him making or responding to a statement with a question (typically some vague pseudo question about how others have helped Putin?). It is actually a very good tactic to get everyone riled and also leaves him the ability to claim the high ground. Everyone has been trolled. Seriously ????? Brexit has weakened the U.K. and has weakened the EU. Who but bad actors could benefit from such an outcome? It is ludicrous to argue against any suggestion that Russia has sought to influence referendums and elections in the West. The people that voted for Brexit were played by propaganda - no matter how hard that might be for them to accept.” That is total cowpoo. I knew I wanted out of the EU as soon as Tony Blair didn't give the UK the referendum he promised. I didn't have to listen to all the run up to the actual referendum because I already knew I was going to vote to leave. I never wanted to be in the EU, I didn't like being in the EU so the first chance I had to voice my opinion I did.! So you didn’t take any notice of the points or any facts around the argument or how it would hurt others you just “knew”. Brilliant just fucking brilliant!! And we wonder why we are in such a shit mess.. " It my vote so I decided how I vote. What's the problems don't you like democracy? Newsflash mate, that's how democracy works. | |||
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"I am just going to observe that the OP (mrmanslut) has trolled pretty much everyone on this thread. Go back and look at his interactions. The overwhelming majority of them is him making or responding to a statement with a question (typically some vague pseudo question about how others have helped Putin?). It is actually a very good tactic to get everyone riled and also leaves him the ability to claim the high ground. Everyone has been trolled. Seriously ????? Brexit has weakened the U.K. and has weakened the EU. Who but bad actors could benefit from such an outcome? It is ludicrous to argue against any suggestion that Russia has sought to influence referendums and elections in the West. The people that voted for Brexit were played by propaganda - no matter how hard that might be for them to accept.” 1.the UK has not been weakened by Brexit and the EU weakens itself 2. More people voted for the Brexit propaganda than the remain propaganda. You need to accept it Typically those who lose are the biggest gobshites. "On point 1. Arguing that up is down, the moon is made of cheese, aliens built the pyramids and Brexit hasn't weakened the UK, is just beyond ridiculous. | |||
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"I am just going to observe that the OP (mrmanslut) has trolled pretty much everyone on this thread. Go back and look at his interactions. The overwhelming majority of them is him making or responding to a statement with a question (typically some vague pseudo question about how others have helped Putin?). It is actually a very good tactic to get everyone riled and also leaves him the ability to claim the high ground. Everyone has been trolled. Seriously ????? Brexit has weakened the U.K. and has weakened the EU. Who but bad actors could benefit from such an outcome? It is ludicrous to argue against any suggestion that Russia has sought to influence referendums and elections in the West. The people that voted for Brexit were played by propaganda - no matter how hard that might be for them to accept.” 1.the UK has not been weakened by Brexit and the EU weakens itself 2. More people voted for the Brexit propaganda than the remain propaganda. You need to accept it Typically those who lose are the biggest gobshites.
The U.K. has been weakened economically . That’s a fact and our own government’s financial figures agree that. So your first point is incorrect.
You second point is just a bad waste of a sentence.
Everyone has been weakened economically, not through brexit necessarily.
My second point should resonate with anyone with an understanding of democracy "The U.K. has been weakened through Brexit that is an absolute fact. Not an opinion. Your second sentence is you mean freedom of speech. Something this government wish to curtail. | |||
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"I am just going to observe that the OP (mrmanslut) has trolled pretty much everyone on this thread. Go back and look at his interactions. The overwhelming majority of them is him making or responding to a statement with a question (typically some vague pseudo question about how others have helped Putin?). It is actually a very good tactic to get everyone riled and also leaves him the ability to claim the high ground. Everyone has been trolled. Seriously ????? Brexit has weakened the U.K. and has weakened the EU. Who but bad actors could benefit from such an outcome? It is ludicrous to argue against any suggestion that Russia has sought to influence referendums and elections in the West. The people that voted for Brexit were played by propaganda - no matter how hard that might be for them to accept.” 1.the UK has not been weakened by Brexit and the EU weakens itself 2. More people voted for the Brexit propaganda than the remain propaganda. You need to accept it Typically those who lose are the biggest gobshites.
The U.K. has been weakened economically . That’s a fact and our own government’s financial figures agree that. So your first point is incorrect.
You second point is just a bad waste of a sentence.
Everyone has been weakened economically, not through brexit necessarily.
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"Brexit weakened the UK and the EU. This clearly benefitted Putin. It's v likely Putin interfered in the Brexit vote, too. (Documented twitter bots alone strongly hint at that.) In the light of what is going on now with Putin and the Ukraine, the West needs to stand together. Do you still think Brexit is a good idea?" Yes and support Brexit all the way. You’ll see France and Greece exiting the EU soon enough… | |||
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"I don’t think you have to be to clever to understand an to see Putin financed Brexit and the corrupt Boris and his gang. The Russian doing this for more then 20 years. What’s is that hard to understand they want to break up Europe and the peace in Europe. I will tell you the reason later. " Along with his bots.. Got exactly what Putin planned as well as got Trump in the states. A puppet 4 years shouting: Russia Russia Russia". | |||
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"I am just going to observe that the OP (mrmanslut) has trolled pretty much everyone on this thread. Go back and look at his interactions. The overwhelming majority of them is him making or responding to a statement with a question (typically some vague pseudo question about how others have helped Putin?). It is actually a very good tactic to get everyone riled and also leaves him the ability to claim the high ground. Everyone has been trolled. Seriously ????? Brexit has weakened the U.K. and has weakened the EU. Who but bad actors could benefit from such an outcome? It is ludicrous to argue against any suggestion that Russia has sought to influence referendums and elections in the West. The people that voted for Brexit were played by propaganda - no matter how hard that might be for them to accept.” 1.the UK has not been weakened by Brexit and the EU weakens itself 2. More people voted for the Brexit propaganda than the remain propaganda. You need to accept it Typically those who lose are the biggest gobshites. "Point 1 =
Point 2 = At the time, due to a significant number not voting at all (which would indicate they were not bothered by the status quo), the difference between Leave and Remain was 52/48% but ALL opinion polls now have that significantly reversed with approx only 18% now still supporting Brexit/Leave.
People have started seeing through the lies (told on both sides mind) and realised Brexit would benefit a minority only. Every argument or concern raised by Remain was laughed at and called “Project Fear” yet so far almost everything has cone true...
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"A lot of remainers assumed wrongly, the result was already a given. You could say they only have themselves to blame if they didn't vote.. but hey, it's the rules and have to be respected. If only they'd realised how people would fall for Putin's bots and Murdoch's influence and bullshit via the crony press (the same guy that owns FOX News), then a lot more would have turned out and the results more in line with the population itself. Not 48/52. As is the case in America, the winner tends to the one who encourages the electorate to stay home. " Are you implying that the press and social media interfered in the Brexit referendum and deliberately influenced the narrow minded electorate. | |||
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"A lot of remainers assumed wrongly, the result was already a given. You could say they only have themselves to blame if they didn't vote.. but hey, it's the rules and have to be respected. If only they'd realised how people would fall for Putin's bots and Murdoch's influence and bullshit via the crony press (the same guy that owns FOX News), then a lot more would have turned out and the results more in line with the population itself. Not 48/52. As is the case in America, the winner tends to the one who encourages the electorate to stay home. Are you implying that the press and social media interfered in the Brexit referendum and deliberately influenced the narrow minded electorate." Plus the illegally funded leave campaigns undermining democracy. | |||
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"A lot of remainers assumed wrongly, the result was already a given. You could say they only have themselves to blame if they didn't vote.. but hey, it's the rules and have to be respected. If only they'd realised how people would fall for Putin's bots and Murdoch's influence and bullshit via the crony press (the same guy that owns FOX News), then a lot more would have turned out and the results more in line with the population itself. Not 48/52. As is the case in America, the winner tends to the one who encourages the electorate to stay home. " encourages the electorate to stay home i thought the referendum eas the highest turn out for a vote in years, not myself obviously but sure it was a bigger turnout than most general elections | |||
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"Brexit weakened the UK and the EU. This clearly benefitted Putin. It's v likely Putin interfered in the Brexit vote, too. (Documented twitter bots alone strongly hint at that.) In the light of what is going on now with Putin and the Ukraine, the West needs to stand together. Do you still think Brexit is a good idea? Yes and support Brexit all the way. You’ll see France and Greece exiting the EU soon enough…" No you wont | |||
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"A lot of remainers assumed wrongly, the result was already a given. You could say they only have themselves to blame if they didn't vote.. but hey, it's the rules and have to be respected. If only they'd realised how people would fall for Putin's bots and Murdoch's influence and bullshit via the crony press (the same guy that owns FOX News), then a lot more would have turned out and the results more in line with the population itself. Not 48/52. As is the case in America, the winner tends to the one who encourages the electorate to stay home. encourages the electorate to stay home i thought the referendum eas the highest turn out for a vote in years, not myself obviously but sure it was a bigger turnout than most general elections" Did you vote in the referendum? | |||
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"A lot of remainers assumed wrongly, the result was already a given. You could say they only have themselves to blame if they didn't vote.. but hey, it's the rules and have to be respected. If only they'd realised how people would fall for Putin's bots and Murdoch's influence and bullshit via the crony press (the same guy that owns FOX News), then a lot more would have turned out and the results more in line with the population itself. Not 48/52. As is the case in America, the winner tends to the one who encourages the electorate to stay home. encourages the electorate to stay home i thought the referendum eas the highest turn out for a vote in years, not myself obviously but sure it was a bigger turnout than most general elections Did you vote in the referendum?" erm not myself obviously answers the question read the whole post dear boy, and yea yea i know if i didnt vote why am i in the politics forum blah blah blah | |||
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"A lot of remainers assumed wrongly, the result was already a given. You could say they only have themselves to blame if they didn't vote.. but hey, it's the rules and have to be respected. If only they'd realised how people would fall for Putin's bots and Murdoch's influence and bullshit via the crony press (the same guy that owns FOX News), then a lot more would have turned out and the results more in line with the population itself. Not 48/52. As is the case in America, the winner tends to the one who encourages the electorate to stay home. Are you implying that the press and social media interfered in the Brexit referendum and deliberately influenced the narrow minded electorate. Plus the illegally funded leave campaigns undermining democracy." What unlike the 9 million of tax payers money for the remain campaign when the majority wanted to leave. | |||
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"A lot of remainers assumed wrongly, the result was already a given. You could say they only have themselves to blame if they didn't vote.. but hey, it's the rules and have to be respected. If only they'd realised how people would fall for Putin's bots and Murdoch's influence and bullshit via the crony press (the same guy that owns FOX News), then a lot more would have turned out and the results more in line with the population itself. Not 48/52. As is the case in America, the winner tends to the one who encourages the electorate to stay home. encourages the electorate to stay home i thought the referendum eas the highest turn out for a vote in years, not myself obviously but sure it was a bigger turnout than most general elections Did you vote in the referendum?erm not myself obviously answers the question read the whole post dear boy, and yea yea i know if i didnt vote why am i in the politics forum blah blah blah" Right | |||
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"A lot of remainers assumed wrongly, the result was already a given. You could say they only have themselves to blame if they didn't vote.. but hey, it's the rules and have to be respected. If only they'd realised how people would fall for Putin's bots and Murdoch's influence and bullshit via the crony press (the same guy that owns FOX News), then a lot more would have turned out and the results more in line with the population itself. Not 48/52. As is the case in America, the winner tends to the one who encourages the electorate to stay home. Are you implying that the press and social media interfered in the Brexit referendum and deliberately influenced the narrow minded electorate. Plus the illegally funded leave campaigns undermining democracy.What unlike the 9 million of tax payers money for the remain campaign when the majority wanted to leave. "The majority ? | |||
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"A lot of remainers assumed wrongly, the result was already a given. You could say they only have themselves to blame if they didn't vote.. but hey, it's the rules and have to be respected. If only they'd realised how people would fall for Putin's bots and Murdoch's influence and bullshit via the crony press (the same guy that owns FOX News), then a lot more would have turned out and the results more in line with the population itself. Not 48/52. As is the case in America, the winner tends to the one who encourages the electorate to stay home. Are you implying that the press and social media interfered in the Brexit referendum and deliberately influenced the narrow minded electorate. Plus the illegally funded leave campaigns undermining democracy.What unlike the 9 million of tax payers money for the remain campaign when the majority wanted to leave. "They were legally obligated to provide this, are you suggesting they should have broken the law? Also, as pointed out. You meant to say "minority". | |||
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"Brexit weakened the UK and the EU. This clearly benefitted Putin. It's v likely Putin interfered in the Brexit vote, too. (Documented twitter bots alone strongly hint at that.) In the light of what is going on now with Putin and the Ukraine, the West needs to stand together. Do you still think Brexit is a good idea?" That first statement is absolutely true. Brexit drove a wedge into Western cooperation. Cheered on by many. It was only a few percent margin to vote Leave so a few millions of funding was money well spent. Easy enough to trace the Russian funding of nationalist/anti-EU parties in the rest of the continent come from. It is a stated Russian aim and they've been very successful until a big miscalculation over Ukraine. Those who vocally supported Brexit will never change their view regardless of outcome. | |||
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"A lot of remainers assumed wrongly, the result was already a given. You could say they only have themselves to blame if they didn't vote.. but hey, it's the rules and have to be respected. If only they'd realised how people would fall for Putin's bots and Murdoch's influence and bullshit via the crony press (the same guy that owns FOX News), then a lot more would have turned out and the results more in line with the population itself. Not 48/52. As is the case in America, the winner tends to the one who encourages the electorate to stay home. encourages the electorate to stay home i thought the referendum eas the highest turn out for a vote in years, not myself obviously but sure it was a bigger turnout than most general elections Did you vote in the referendum?erm not myself obviously answers the question read the whole post dear boy, and yea yea i know if i didnt vote why am i in the politics forum blah blah blah Right "like ive told you before sunshine as long as i break no rules im free to post where i like, even though u seem to think otherwise | |||
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"A lot of remainers assumed wrongly, the result was already a given. You could say they only have themselves to blame if they didn't vote.. but hey, it's the rules and have to be respected. If only they'd realised how people would fall for Putin's bots and Murdoch's influence and bullshit via the crony press (the same guy that owns FOX News), then a lot more would have turned out and the results more in line with the population itself. Not 48/52. As is the case in America, the winner tends to the one who encourages the electorate to stay home. encourages the electorate to stay home i thought the referendum eas the highest turn out for a vote in years, not myself obviously but sure it was a bigger turnout than most general elections Did you vote in the referendum?erm not myself obviously answers the question read the whole post dear boy, and yea yea i know if i didnt vote why am i in the politics forum blah blah blah Right like ive told you before sunshine as long as i break no rules im free to post where i like, even though u seem to think otherwise"
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"Brexit weakened the UK and the EU. This clearly benefitted Putin. It's v likely Putin interfered in the Brexit vote, too. (Documented twitter bots alone strongly hint at that.) In the light of what is going on now with Putin and the Ukraine, the West needs to stand together. Do you still think Brexit is a good idea? Yes and support Brexit all the way. You’ll see France and Greece exiting the EU soon enough…" Where do you get this information from? | |||
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"A lot of remainers assumed wrongly, the result was already a given. You could say they only have themselves to blame if they didn't vote.. but hey, it's the rules and have to be respected. If only they'd realised how people would fall for Putin's bots and Murdoch's influence and bullshit via the crony press (the same guy that owns FOX News), then a lot more would have turned out and the results more in line with the population itself. Not 48/52. As is the case in America, the winner tends to the one who encourages the electorate to stay home. encourages the electorate to stay home i thought the referendum eas the highest turn out for a vote in years, not myself obviously but sure it was a bigger turnout than most general elections Did you vote in the referendum?erm not myself obviously answers the question read the whole post dear boy, and yea yea i know if i didnt vote why am i in the politics forum blah blah blah" You have never really answered that other than to say that you're allowed to. Of course, you are but it doesn't really explain why you post so frequently and get so annoyed, whilst claiming not to give two hoots
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"Brexit weakened the UK and the EU. This clearly benefitted Putin. It's v likely Putin interfered in the Brexit vote, too. (Documented twitter bots alone strongly hint at that.) In the light of what is going on now with Putin and the Ukraine, the West needs to stand together. Do you still think Brexit is a good idea? Yes and support Brexit all the way. You’ll see France and Greece exiting the EU soon enough… Where do you get this information from?" Opinion piece in the Beano. | |||
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"A lot of remainers assumed wrongly, the result was already a given. You could say they only have themselves to blame if they didn't vote.. but hey, it's the rules and have to be respected. If only they'd realised how people would fall for Putin's bots and Murdoch's influence and bullshit via the crony press (the same guy that owns FOX News), then a lot more would have turned out and the results more in line with the population itself. Not 48/52. As is the case in America, the winner tends to the one who encourages the electorate to stay home. encourages the electorate to stay home i thought the referendum eas the highest turn out for a vote in years, not myself obviously but sure it was a bigger turnout than most general elections Did you vote in the referendum?erm not myself obviously answers the question read the whole post dear boy, and yea yea i know if i didnt vote why am i in the politics forum blah blah blah Right like ive told you before sunshine as long as i break no rules im free to post where i like, even though u seem to think otherwise"Indeed, | |||
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"A lot of remainers assumed wrongly, the result was already a given. You could say they only have themselves to blame if they didn't vote.. but hey, it's the rules and have to be respected. If only they'd realised how people would fall for Putin's bots and Murdoch's influence and bullshit via the crony press (the same guy that owns FOX News), then a lot more would have turned out and the results more in line with the population itself. Not 48/52. As is the case in America, the winner tends to the one who encourages the electorate to stay home. Are you implying that the press and social media interfered in the Brexit referendum and deliberately influenced the narrow minded electorate. Plus the illegally funded leave campaigns undermining democracy.What unlike the 9 million of tax payers money for the remain campaign when the majority wanted to leave. "How did they know that the so called ‘majority’ would vote to leave before the referendum? | |||
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"Instead of trying to use brexit you should look at your beloved Eu and in particular Germany and Merkel for even agreeing to Nord stream 2.I said months ago on this very forum putin,s goal was to deprive the Ukraine of income by by-passing the pipeline that runs through it.Putin saw this as a sign although misguided that the eu didnt give a fuck about the Ukraine economy and took his chance.So however much you hate brexit and try to blame it for the worlds woes you are way off the mark and shows how obsessive you are over it. " | |||
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"I am just going to observe that the OP (mrmanslut) has trolled pretty much everyone on this thread. Go back and look at his interactions. The overwhelming majority of them is him making or responding to a statement with a question (typically some vague pseudo question about how others have helped Putin?). It is actually a very good tactic to get everyone riled and also leaves him the ability to claim the high ground. Everyone has been trolled." Clever chap? | |||
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"A lot of remainers assumed wrongly, the result was already a given. You could say they only have themselves to blame if they didn't vote.. but hey, it's the rules and have to be respected. If only they'd realised how people would fall for Putin's bots and Murdoch's influence and bullshit via the crony press (the same guy that owns FOX News), then a lot more would have turned out and the results more in line with the population itself. Not 48/52. As is the case in America, the winner tends to the one who encourages the electorate to stay home. encourages the electorate to stay home i thought the referendum eas the highest turn out for a vote in years, not myself obviously but sure it was a bigger turnout than most general elections Did you vote in the referendum?erm not myself obviously answers the question read the whole post dear boy, and yea yea i know if i didnt vote why am i in the politics forum blah blah blah You have never really answered that other than to say that you're allowed to. Of course, you are but it doesn't really explain why you post so frequently and get so annoyed, whilst claiming not to give two hoots
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"I am just going to observe that the OP (mrmanslut) has trolled pretty much everyone on this thread. Go back and look at his interactions. The overwhelming majority of them is him making or responding to a statement with a question (typically some vague pseudo question about how others have helped Putin?). It is actually a very good tactic to get everyone riled and also leaves him the ability to claim the high ground. Everyone has been trolled." The reactions are, indeed angry, but very rarely address the main question asked about Brexit weakening the UK and EU. That isn't trolling. Asking if anyone would change their mind about how they voted probably is trolling as it will only generate incoherent anger | |||
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"A lot of remainers assumed wrongly, the result was already a given. You could say they only have themselves to blame if they didn't vote.. but hey, it's the rules and have to be respected. If only they'd realised how people would fall for Putin's bots and Murdoch's influence and bullshit via the crony press (the same guy that owns FOX News), then a lot more would have turned out and the results more in line with the population itself. Not 48/52. As is the case in America, the winner tends to the one who encourages the electorate to stay home. encourages the electorate to stay home i thought the referendum eas the highest turn out for a vote in years, not myself obviously but sure it was a bigger turnout than most general elections Did you vote in the referendum?erm not myself obviously answers the question read the whole post dear boy, and yea yea i know if i didnt vote why am i in the politics forum blah blah blah You have never really answered that other than to say that you're allowed to. Of course, you are but it doesn't really explain why you post so frequently and get so annoyed, whilst claiming not to give two hoots
Feel free to now insult me in some way get so annoyed hahaha really and i post frequently because I can and insult you where have i done that? I meen you have replied to a post of mine even though i go out of my way not to converse with you but hey ho, "Although, yet again, not saying why you do post so frequently. Which was my point. You do, also, show your annoyance and have certainly insulted me directly in the past. I was merely indicated my expectation of that happening. I can reply to your posts as frequently as I wish. However, I haven't ever indicated that I don't want to... | |||
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