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"People should stop criticism of Johnson and Patel. They have arranged 3x Immigration staff, armed with a box of ready salted crisps and a box of kit-kats waiting in Calais.." I bet that was funnier when it was still in your head  | |||
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"Listening to U.K. residents unable to get their Ukrainian partners home to the U.K. isn’t funny either. Patel snd Boris yet again claim they are leading and yet the experiences being reported are the complete opposite. Notice how the law to reject all refugees as a first step is being quietly pushed through despite the lords rejecting it en mass as rotten! What a dusgustimg lying government we have!! " There was a family featured on the news this evening where they have a house in Ukraine and in East London not far from us. The wife is Ukrainian and they have a home in Ukraine and London. Husband has a British passport and splits his time between London and Ukraine. Even Though they have a permanent home to go to and a business they are still not being able to enter the uk. They have currently been given and appointment on the 15th in Paris. It's shocking! | |||
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"Listening to U.K. residents unable to get their Ukrainian partners home to the U.K. isn’t funny either. Patel snd Boris yet again claim they are leading and yet the experiences being reported are the complete opposite. Notice how the law to reject all refugees as a first step is being quietly pushed through despite the lords rejecting it en mass as rotten! What a dusgustimg lying government we have!! There was a family featured on the news this evening where they have a house in Ukraine and in East London not far from us. The wife is Ukrainian and they have a home in Ukraine and London. Husband has a British passport and splits his time between London and Ukraine. Even Though they have a permanent home to go to and a business they are still not being able to enter the uk. They have currently been given and appointment on the 15th in Paris. It's shocking! " Yes I read this too. So far only 50 visas have been granted. What sort of country have we become? I am ashamed of my own government. The U.K. public gave £35m in one day to the charities so I know the Tory cabinet don’t represent most of the people in this country. | |||
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"Does anybody still think Johnson is a good person or doing a good job? Are we finally at the tipping point where most people see him for what he is?" He is definatly not doing a good job..can't comment on the kind of person he is because I don't know him..but he is totally incapable of running a country...oh and while we are in the subject of boris...Notice how all the news on partygate has dissapeared along with covid?? | |||
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"Does anybody still think Johnson is a good person or doing a good job? Are we finally at the tipping point where most people see him for what he is? He is definatly not doing a good job..can't comment on the kind of person he is because I don't know him..but he is totally incapable of running a country...oh and while we are in the subject of boris...Notice how all the news on partygate has dissapeared along with covid??" oh no its not Tory minister specificaly asked about it today on bbc if the report comes out now and hes found to be guilty of lies etc hes gone party wont back him . | |||
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"Listening to U.K. residents unable to get their Ukrainian partners home to the U.K. isn’t funny either. Patel snd Boris yet again claim they are leading and yet the experiences being reported are the complete opposite. Notice how the law to reject all refugees as a first step is being quietly pushed through despite the lords rejecting it en mass as rotten! What a dusgustimg lying government we have!! " It’s wartime in Ukraine, and how does anyone know if they are Russian spies posing as Ukrainians? It takes a little time to check whether these people are Ukrainian or not. | |||
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"Listening to U.K. residents unable to get their Ukrainian partners home to the U.K. isn’t funny either. Patel snd Boris yet again claim they are leading and yet the experiences being reported are the complete opposite. Notice how the law to reject all refugees as a first step is being quietly pushed through despite the lords rejecting it en mass as rotten! What a dusgustimg lying government we have!! It’s wartime in Ukraine, and how does anyone know if they are Russian spies posing as Ukrainians? It takes a little time to check whether these people are Ukrainian or not. " Russian spies!!!!! 
The UK Govt is full of them already. In senior positions. High society is rife with Russian oligarchs and their cronies and has been for years.
They don’t need to smuggle spies into the UK pretending to be Ukrainian refugees with all that amazing access to sensitive locations and information that grants them!
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"I have given the terrible situation of the fleeing Ukrainian refugees and how the UK gov is responding, some thought. The general comments I read we should be doing more, it is a shambles and so on. Simply opening the border here in the UK could be done but what would be the impact of that to the Ukrainians? They need housing, feeding, clothing right from the get go. They need to feel safe, not pushed into a situation with hundreds of others just adding to the confusion. How do we do that, give them what they need as soon as they get here? I read they have setup and are processing visas in Poland, they are setting up a sponsor scheme that will allow Ukrainians to live with their sponsors, find work and get the support they need to make a life here. It could be some Ukrainians made it to Calais faster than was expected, it is unfortunate that this was not actioned sooner, but hopefully the process is in place to get them to the processing centre and into safety ASAP. What would you do above this, that wouldn't jeopardise the safety of anyone seeking refuge in the UK, that would protect from exploitation and offer the best possible start to people who are already suffering? " Come now we don’t post common sense in these forums! It’s all hyperbole and tribalist binary arguments. You know that! I’m very critical of this Govt (though not specifically anti Tory just anti this current pile of steaming self serving security compromised disaster capitalist thieves) but if Patel had just said something more akin to what you posted here it would diffuse some criticism. A healthy dose of realism and pragmatism would be understood. But they can’t. They have to lie and bleat on about “leading the world” etc etc | |||
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"Listening to U.K. residents unable to get their Ukrainian partners home to the U.K. isn’t funny either. Patel snd Boris yet again claim they are leading and yet the experiences being reported are the complete opposite. Notice how the law to reject all refugees as a first step is being quietly pushed through despite the lords rejecting it en mass as rotten! What a dusgustimg lying government we have!! There was a family featured on the news this evening where they have a house in Ukraine and in East London not far from us. The wife is Ukrainian and they have a home in Ukraine and London. Husband has a British passport and splits his time between London and Ukraine. Even Though they have a permanent home to go to and a business they are still not being able to enter the uk. They have currently been given and appointment on the 15th in Paris. It's shocking! " What I find strange is the fact that his family do not already have dual nationality and British passports. The man said he has lived in the UK for 30 years yet his wife and family live in Ukraine. Surely they would have come to the UK at some point to visit him? And Surely to make that easier they would have applied for dual nationality? Am I missing something or does it all seem a bit strange? | |||
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"Listening to U.K. residents unable to get their Ukrainian partners home to the U.K. isn’t funny either. Patel snd Boris yet again claim they are leading and yet the experiences being reported are the complete opposite. Notice how the law to reject all refugees as a first step is being quietly pushed through despite the lords rejecting it en mass as rotten! What a dusgustimg lying government we have!! There was a family featured on the news this evening where they have a house in Ukraine and in East London not far from us. The wife is Ukrainian and they have a home in Ukraine and London. Husband has a British passport and splits his time between London and Ukraine. Even Though they have a permanent home to go to and a business they are still not being able to enter the uk. They have currently been given and appointment on the 15th in Paris. It's shocking! What I find strange is the fact that his family do not already have dual nationality and British passports. The man said he has lived in the UK for 30 years yet his wife and family live in Ukraine. Surely they would have come to the UK at some point to visit him? And Surely to make that easier they would have applied for dual nationality? Am I missing something or does it all seem a bit strange?" Pick at it with questions and it crumbles. | |||
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"yet we managed to organise the airlift 94 dogs and 68 cats out of kabul prioritys tho isnt it " Your referring to the flight where the cats and dogs were in the cargo hold and people filled the seats above. Are you suggesting the cargo hold could have been filled with people as well? | |||
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"yet we managed to organise the airlift 94 dogs and 68 cats out of kabul prioritys tho isnt it Your referring to the flight where the cats and dogs were in the cargo hold and people filled the seats above. Are you suggesting the cargo hold could have been filled with people as well?" Actually that's not true. The plane above just had pen farthing and some other people but it's certainly wasn't full. | |||
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"Listening to U.K. residents unable to get their Ukrainian partners home to the U.K. isn’t funny either. Patel snd Boris yet again claim they are leading and yet the experiences being reported are the complete opposite. Notice how the law to reject all refugees as a first step is being quietly pushed through despite the lords rejecting it en mass as rotten! What a dusgustimg lying government we have!! There was a family featured on the news this evening where they have a house in Ukraine and in East London not far from us. The wife is Ukrainian and they have a home in Ukraine and London. Husband has a British passport and splits his time between London and Ukraine. Even Though they have a permanent home to go to and a business they are still not being able to enter the uk. They have currently been given and appointment on the 15th in Paris. It's shocking! What I find strange is the fact that his family do not already have dual nationality and British passports. The man said he has lived in the UK for 30 years yet his wife and family live in Ukraine. Surely they would have come to the UK at some point to visit him? And Surely to make that easier they would have applied for dual nationality? Am I missing something or does it all seem a bit strange?" You have to live in the UK for 5 years to qualify for a passport. So yes you are missing something and also it's his 2nd wife so I don't know how long they've been together. One of the sons does have a British passport. | |||
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"yet we managed to organise the airlift 94 dogs and 68 cats out of kabul prioritys tho isnt it " Oh come on - they've put signs at Calais to go to Paris to register as migrants. What more can they do? | |||
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"Couldn’t really let this one pass without comment. Tory related corruption and profiteering during a public health emergency... A company registered in the Isle of Man with (deep) connections to Tory peer Michelle Mone and her husband Doug Barrowman bought PPE from China for £46m and sold it to the NHS for £122m. None of it was fit for purpose! This was enabled via the Johnson endorsed VIP channel. Surely this makes people mad?" As UK Consumer, I, like everyone is protected by strong Consumer Law. I've never purchased an extended warranty as I know I have the option of Small Claims. Having taken over 6 companies to Court over the last 7 or 8 years for unfit or bad quality products such as Panasonic TV, Indesit washer, Sainsbury Microwave and others for products that didn't last a reasonable 6 years. I've won every case with at least 60% of the original purchase price refunded plus costs. The Government should now be going after these people and recovering what is rightfully the money if the people if thus country as it is nothing less than fraud. Any other company legally has to replace or refund faulty or defective goods so why not these people forced to do the same. Although, Ltd company, they'll shut shop and walk away for £1 and probably why they aren't going after it. Offshore fund stashing is suspicious and any penny that can be reclaimed, should be. | |||
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"People should stop criticism of Johnson and Patel. They have arranged 3x Immigration staff, armed with a box of ready salted crisps and a box of kit-kats waiting in Calais.." That will piss the lefty nutters off.. o well haha | |||
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"Couldn’t really let this one pass without comment. Tory related corruption and profiteering during a public health emergency... A company registered in the Isle of Man with (deep) connections to Tory peer Michelle Mone and her husband Doug Barrowman bought PPE from China for £46m and sold it to the NHS for £122m. None of it was fit for purpose! This was enabled via the Johnson endorsed VIP channel. Surely this makes people mad?" Actually that doesn't make me mad. What makes me mad is that enough fools voted for the liar and put him in the position to be able to do this sort of thing It's not like he didn't have a track record and it's not like it wasn't publicised, was it ? | |||
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"Britan is now a thirld world country led by corupt polatishions and its population whichhas been fed dumdown tv for the last 25 years are now oficialy sheep.just look at all the bulshit wev been fed we are so docile we take it all. Reminds me of the book hg wells time machine" Blue passports though!  | |||
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"Air Passenger Compensation. Travesty at this loss. Refund of £2600 plus damages and losses. Taken off and threatened by armed police for demanding water for kids. Having studied our rights Thomas Cook tried refusing me boarding for giving advice sheets and claims forms out the morning after. The Compensation for everyone on that flight came to over £2 million. They tried to hide a known fault as unplanned by running a 'fake aborted take-off'. I remember it like yesterday.. https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/passengers-trapped-sweltering-problem-plane-11430675 " All this type of passenger does is make flights more expensive for everyone else and in particular the more reasonable passenger who accepts that mistakes happen . There is nothing admirable about claiming compensation or causing trouble for others. These passengers are simply lining their own pockets . | |||
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"Air Passenger Compensation. Travesty at this loss. Refund of £2600 plus damages and losses. Taken off and threatened by armed police for demanding water for kids. Having studied our rights Thomas Cook tried refusing me boarding for giving advice sheets and claims forms out the morning after. The Compensation for everyone on that flight came to over £2 million. They tried to hide a known fault as unplanned by running a 'fake aborted take-off'. I remember it like yesterday.. https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/passengers-trapped-sweltering-problem-plane-11430675 All this type of passenger does is make flights more expensive for everyone else and in particular the more reasonable passenger who accepts that mistakes happen . There is nothing admirable about claiming compensation or causing trouble for others. These passengers are simply lining their own pockets . " All heed the word of the Kremlin. | |||
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"(Nice Consumer protection segue there thanks)... And here’s more Boris Benefits... “Flight compensation for stranded British travellers could soon be slashed, as the government weakens consumer protections after Brexit. According to consumer watchdog Which?, passengers could see their refunds go from £220 to £57, saving airlines hundreds of thousands of pounds per year. “Ripping up current compensation rules for UK flights would be a huge blow for passenger rights and embolden airlines to act with impunity,” said Which? Travel editor Rory Boland.”" . It is totally irrational that someone can pay £30 for a flight and then claim £250 compensation. People who fly regularly probably realise how tight margins are in the airline industry and that the money for nothing compensation claimer is hardly the most desirable type of passenger. I have been waiting for a delayed flight and the first thing some travellers ask for is free food despite the fact that the flight may have only cost £30 . Any traveller worried about delays can take out their own insurance. This reduction is good for both passengers and the airline industry. It makes a more level playing field and is a tangible benefit of Brexit of which there will be many more to come . | |||
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"(Nice Consumer protection segue there thanks)... And here’s more Boris Benefits... “Flight compensation for stranded British travellers could soon be slashed, as the government weakens consumer protections after Brexit. According to consumer watchdog Which?, passengers could see their refunds go from £220 to £57, saving airlines hundreds of thousands of pounds per year. “Ripping up current compensation rules for UK flights would be a huge blow for passenger rights and embolden airlines to act with impunity,” said Which? Travel editor Rory Boland.”. It is totally irrational that someone can pay £30 for a flight and then claim £250 compensation. People who fly regularly probably realise how tight margins are in the airline industry and that the money for nothing compensation claimer is hardly the most desirable type of passenger. I have been waiting for a delayed flight and the first thing some travellers ask for is free food despite the fact that the flight may have only cost £30 . Any traveller worried about delays can take out their own insurance. This reduction is good for both passengers and the airline industry. It makes a more level playing field and is a tangible benefit of Brexit of which there will be many more to come . " I can see airlines over selling flights even more than previously. | |||
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"(Nice Consumer protection segue there thanks)... And here’s more Boris Benefits... “Flight compensation for stranded British travellers could soon be slashed, as the government weakens consumer protections after Brexit. According to consumer watchdog Which?, passengers could see their refunds go from £220 to £57, saving airlines hundreds of thousands of pounds per year. “Ripping up current compensation rules for UK flights would be a huge blow for passenger rights and embolden airlines to act with impunity,” said Which? Travel editor Rory Boland.”. It is totally irrational that someone can pay £30 for a flight and then claim £250 compensation. People who fly regularly probably realise how tight margins are in the airline industry and that the money for nothing compensation claimer is hardly the most desirable type of passenger. I have been waiting for a delayed flight and the first thing some travellers ask for is free food despite the fact that the flight may have only cost £30 . Any traveller worried about delays can take out their own insurance. This reduction is good for both passengers and the airline industry. It makes a more level playing field and is a tangible benefit of Brexit of which there will be many more to come . " Yes. Fucking over consumers is a brexit win for large corporations.  | |||
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"(Nice Consumer protection segue there thanks)... And here’s more Boris Benefits... “Flight compensation for stranded British travellers could soon be slashed, as the government weakens consumer protections after Brexit. According to consumer watchdog Which?, passengers could see their refunds go from £220 to £57, saving airlines hundreds of thousands of pounds per year. “Ripping up current compensation rules for UK flights would be a huge blow for passenger rights and embolden airlines to act with impunity,” said Which? Travel editor Rory Boland.”. It is totally irrational that someone can pay £30 for a flight and then claim £250 compensation. People who fly regularly probably realise how tight margins are in the airline industry and that the money for nothing compensation claimer is hardly the most desirable type of passenger. I have been waiting for a delayed flight and the first thing some travellers ask for is free food despite the fact that the flight may have only cost £30 . Any traveller worried about delays can take out their own insurance. This reduction is good for both passengers and the airline industry. It makes a more level playing field and is a tangible benefit of Brexit of which there will be many more to come . " Guess you don’t fly a lot then. I have been delayed, cancelled , bounced re directed, abandoned and just plain abused by airlines. One they started to realise the delays were going to cost they upped their game. The service levels and removal of compensation rights will give a field day to the likes of Ryanair. (I avoid them like the plague.) In one incident I was flying from southern Spain to Bilbao. The flight was badly delayed but they took off anyway. Bilbao airport closed at midnight due to noise restriction so we were diverted to an army base about three hours away. We then had to wait for buses to take us to Bilbao. Once there the airport was closed and there were no taxis or buses to get into the city. So over a hundred people some with young children didn’t leave that airport before 6 am in the morning . Waiting outside for their turn for limited taxis who had heard about us on the grapevine to arrive. So the compensation didn’t cover anything like those issues I and others had. The compensation is a deterrent not a way to make money. I can loose many thousands if I don’t make a meeting and contractors can lose a few days pay if the delay can’t be sorted. So the £250 is of little interest to business flyers but anything which forces airlines to offer a reliable service is. | |||
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"(Nice Consumer protection segue there thanks)... And here’s more Boris Benefits... “Flight compensation for stranded British travellers could soon be slashed, as the government weakens consumer protections after Brexit. According to consumer watchdog Which?, passengers could see their refunds go from £220 to £57, saving airlines hundreds of thousands of pounds per year. “Ripping up current compensation rules for UK flights would be a huge blow for passenger rights and embolden airlines to act with impunity,” said Which? Travel editor Rory Boland.”. It is totally irrational that someone can pay £30 for a flight and then claim £250 compensation. People who fly regularly probably realise how tight margins are in the airline industry and that the money for nothing compensation claimer is hardly the most desirable type of passenger. I have been waiting for a delayed flight and the first thing some travellers ask for is free food despite the fact that the flight may have only cost £30 . Any traveller worried about delays can take out their own insurance. This reduction is good for both passengers and the airline industry. It makes a more level playing field and is a tangible benefit of Brexit of which there will be many more to come . Guess you don’t fly a lot then. I have been delayed, cancelled , bounced re directed, abandoned and just plain abused by airlines. One they started to realise the delays were going to cost they upped their game. The service levels and removal of compensation rights will give a field day to the likes of Ryanair. (I avoid them like the plague.) In one incident I was flying from southern Spain to Bilbao. The flight was badly delayed but they took off anyway. Bilbao airport closed at midnight due to noise restriction so we were diverted to an army base about three hours away. We then had to wait for buses to take us to Bilbao. Once there the airport was closed and there were no taxis or buses to get into the city. So over a hundred people some with young children didn’t leave that airport before 6 am in the morning . Waiting outside for their turn for limited taxis who had heard about us on the grapevine to arrive. So the compensation didn’t cover anything like those issues I and others had. The compensation is a deterrent not a way to make money. I can loose many thousands if I don’t make a meeting and contractors can lose a few days pay if the delay can’t be sorted. So the £250 is of little interest to business flyers but anything which forces airlines to offer a reliable service is. " You may not like Ryanair but they are an exceptionally successfull airline. It is simply bizarre that someone can pay £30 for a flight and be entitled to £250 compensation. It does not make sense to any rational person. Lowering the compensation levels can only be a good thing. Anyone concerned about compensation can take out their own insurance policy. Prior to Covid 19 I flew regularly and simply accepted that there could be a possibility of a delay , not any different to be stuck in a traffic jam. The removal of compensation may even mean lower prices for passengers. | |||
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"Listening to U.K. residents unable to get their Ukrainian partners home to the U.K. isn’t funny either. Patel snd Boris yet again claim they are leading and yet the experiences being reported are the complete opposite. Notice how the law to reject all refugees as a first step is being quietly pushed through despite the lords rejecting it en mass as rotten! What a dusgustimg lying government we have!! It’s wartime in Ukraine, and how does anyone know if they are Russian spies posing as Ukrainians? It takes a little time to check whether these people are Ukrainian or not. " Very good point. Especially as they wanted to relax checks on getting them over... | |||
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"yet we managed to organise the airlift 94 dogs and 68 cats out of kabul prioritys tho isnt it " Privately funded by nowzad. They should be able to do as they please with their own chartered jet. However many news sites spinned this as a plane just for animals. Animals actually went in the hold and human bums went on seats | |||
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"(Nice Consumer protection segue there thanks)... And here’s more Boris Benefits... “Flight compensation for stranded British travellers could soon be slashed, as the government weakens consumer protections after Brexit. According to consumer watchdog Which?, passengers could see their refunds go from £220 to £57, saving airlines hundreds of thousands of pounds per year. “Ripping up current compensation rules for UK flights would be a huge blow for passenger rights and embolden airlines to act with impunity,” said Which? Travel editor Rory Boland.”. It is totally irrational that someone can pay £30 for a flight and then claim £250 compensation. People who fly regularly probably realise how tight margins are in the airline industry and that the money for nothing compensation claimer is hardly the most desirable type of passenger. I have been waiting for a delayed flight and the first thing some travellers ask for is free food despite the fact that the flight may have only cost £30 . Any traveller worried about delays can take out their own insurance. This reduction is good for both passengers and the airline industry. It makes a more level playing field and is a tangible benefit of Brexit of which there will be many more to come . Guess you don’t fly a lot then. I have been delayed, cancelled , bounced re directed, abandoned and just plain abused by airlines. One they started to realise the delays were going to cost they upped their game. The service levels and removal of compensation rights will give a field day to the likes of Ryanair. (I avoid them like the plague.) In one incident I was flying from southern Spain to Bilbao. The flight was badly delayed but they took off anyway. Bilbao airport closed at midnight due to noise restriction so we were diverted to an army base about three hours away. We then had to wait for buses to take us to Bilbao. Once there the airport was closed and there were no taxis or buses to get into the city. So over a hundred people some with young children didn’t leave that airport before 6 am in the morning . Waiting outside for their turn for limited taxis who had heard about us on the grapevine to arrive. So the compensation didn’t cover anything like those issues I and others had. The compensation is a deterrent not a way to make money. I can loose many thousands if I don’t make a meeting and contractors can lose a few days pay if the delay can’t be sorted. So the £250 is of little interest to business flyers but anything which forces airlines to offer a reliable service is. You may not like Ryanair but they are an exceptionally successfull airline. It is simply bizarre that someone can pay £30 for a flight and be entitled to £250 compensation. It does not make sense to any rational person. Lowering the compensation levels can only be a good thing. Anyone concerned about compensation can take out their own insurance policy. Prior to Covid 19 I flew regularly and simply accepted that there could be a possibility of a delay , not any different to be stuck in a traffic jam. The removal of compensation may even mean lower prices for passengers. " Your answer confirms you didn’t understand my post and the emphasis on business travel. Maybe your time isn’t worth much so you’re happy to be delayed. As for Ryanair indeed they are successful . So is JD sports and I don’t like shopping there either. Lowering compensation and service levels as a result is a good thing you say. Sums up your argument really. As for £30 flights yes there are hundreds of thousands of one way cheap lead in flights. There are millions upon millions which are more than that level. Do you actually think even Ryanair would survive on £30 flights across the board? I’m assuming by you “flew regularly” you meant holidays because as a business traveller £30 flights were non existent due to short notice. | |||
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