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By *ools and the brain OP Couple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

So let's fast forward a bit.

Russia has taken complete control of Ukraine, no nuke's released and for the most part fighting has stopped.

Does Putin stop there or does he carry on?

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By *al2001Man
over a year ago

kildare

You should learn from your history that fighting won't stop

It will just take different forms.

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

The time has come for action, threats of nuclear weapons cannot be allowed to intimidate the west it's time to defend the innocent Ukrainian people against genocide and force Putin's commanders to make a decision.

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By *ools and the brain OP Couple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

"You should learn from your history that fighting won't stop

It will just take different forms.

I know my history very well thank you am playing devils advocate and bit in asking a loaded question (no pun intended)

Personally I don't think he will stop now he's got a taste of blood and has yet to be stopped.

Like many others I just don't understand why he's doing it.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"So let's fast forward a bit.

Russia has taken complete control of Ukraine, no nuke's released and for the most part fighting has stopped.

Does Putin stop there or does he carry on?"

This scenario would take years to reach. Occupying forces will be faced with sabotage, underground resistance and peoples that just will not break. The money and resource needed to retain enough presence to prevent uprisings will make the initial invasion look like small change. The occupying forces will face hostility on every street corner, their moral will suffer and news of this will travel to an extent that the people back home will really begin to question their occupation.

Putin's hardest decisions are still to be made, how to get out without losing.

This or very similar is how many invasions that end up in an occupation play out. We don't know what Putin's end game is...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I initially understood and sympathised with what Putin was doing with his threats etc.

However, actually invading Ukraine and threatening nukes was not the way forward.

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

There is no way out, Putin has to die

The world can never deal with this madman ever again.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

He won't be able to take the whole of Ukraine, not sure how far he wants to go beyond the capital which is symbolises control which the Russians will never have despite which puppet administration they try and impose upon the Ukrainian people ..

When he takes Mariopol and Odessa he'll have a land bridge from the Crimea and will cut access to the sea which the bulk of trade uses..

This war is different from Grozny and Syria, the Ukrainian people are not going to let him take their lands and the West will give them the means to fight on ..

The economy of Russia will collapse, and Putin and his close circle will be dealing with problems at home..

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol

Pakistans prim minister has stabbed everyone else in the back with a massive deal with Russia for gas lay Wednesday just before the invasion of Ukraine.

And as everyone knew what was going on he is complicit

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol

"He won't be able to take the whole of Ukraine, not sure how far he wants to go beyond the capital which is symbolises control which the Russians will never have despite which puppet administration they try and impose upon the Ukrainian people ..

When he takes Mariopol and Odessa he'll have a land bridge from the Crimea and will cut access to the sea which the bulk of trade uses..

This war is different from Grozny and Syria, the Ukrainian people are not going to let him take their lands and the West will give them the means to fight on ..

The economy of Russia will collapse, and Putin and his close circle will be dealing with problems at home.."

Notice that all of the top warmongers in Russia are all old men near the last decades of their life so don’t see a problem with fucking everyone else’s up

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Pakistans prim minister has stabbed everyone else in the back with a massive deal with Russia for gas lay Wednesday just before the invasion of Ukraine.

And as everyone knew what was going on he is complicit

Not sure I agree about complicity, we the west post Crimea being annexed have happily brought oil and gas from there which sent a message to Putin we weren't interested other than tut tutting in elected assemblies..

Commerce will continue and whilst we in the west need to wean ourselves off russian fossil fuels going forward..

Maybe we take the hit now of a total embargo because we are indirectly funding the military daily..

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

When he takes Mariopol and Odessa he'll have a land bridge from the Crimea and will cut access to the sea which the bulk of trade uses..

This war is different from Grozny and Syria, the Ukrainian people are not going to let him take their lands and the West will give them the means to fight on ..

The economy of Russia will collapse, and Putin and his close circle will be dealing with problems at home..

Notice that all of the top warmongers in Russia are all old men near the last decades of their life so don’t see a problem with fucking everyone else’s up

So we should hide under the bed and hope it goes away ?

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol

When he takes Mariopol and Odessa he'll have a land bridge from the Crimea and will cut access to the sea which the bulk of trade uses..

This war is different from Grozny and Syria, the Ukrainian people are not going to let him take their lands and the West will give them the means to fight on ..

The economy of Russia will collapse, and Putin and his close circle will be dealing with problems at home..

Notice that all of the top warmongers in Russia are all old men near the last decades of their life so don’t see a problem with fucking everyone else’s up

So we should hide under the bed and hope it goes away ?"

No but I suspect that we will have to deal with much more in time.

But the blame is and always must be down to Putin he’s not going to stop until he turns everything radioactive.

But that’s just my opinion

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

Putin cannot dominate the Ukraine the people will not give in he will have problems there for the rest of his life, coupled with the sanctions the russian people will have to endure he has created a big problem for himself.

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By *al2001Man
over a year ago

kildare

"You should learn from your history that fighting won't stop

It will just take different forms.

I know my history very well thank you am playing devils advocate and bit in asking a loaded question (no pun intended)

Personally I don't think he will stop now he's got a taste of blood and has yet to be stopped.

Like many others I just don't understand why he's doing it."

He will be too busy fighting insurgents to do anything else I think.

Said insurgents will also give him something to think when he's making his plans fir the future.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"So let's fast forward a bit.

Russia has taken complete control of Ukraine, no nuke's released and for the most part fighting has stopped.

Does Putin stop there or does he carry on?"

It's more likely to end up with the whole region destabilised and continued war in one form or another. See recent invasions of Iraq, Afghanistan, etc, what's going on in the Congo.

These things drag on for years and years.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

Think what people are missing here is they think the russian milatry are similar to ours, want to see what the russians do when they meet people who refuse to give up check out before and after pictures of chechnyas capital after the russians had finished, i hope it dosent come to that but if previous actions are aything to go by it coud get a whoe lot worse for ukraine

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By *ighty_tightyMan
over a year ago

Norfolk/Suffolk

"Pakistans prim minister has stabbed everyone else in the back with a massive deal with Russia for gas lay Wednesday just before the invasion of Ukraine.

And as everyone knew what was going on he is complicit

Commerce will continue and whilst we in the west need to wean ourselves off russian fossil fuels going forward..

Maybe we take the hit now of a total embargo because we are indirectly funding the military daily.."

If we come off of Russian oil/gas the price will sky rocket. Russia will still sell it elsewhere at the now inflated market prices.

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By *itzi999Woman
over a year ago

Slough

"So let's fast forward a bit.

Russia has taken complete control of Ukraine, no nuke's released and for the most part fighting has stopped.

Does Putin stop there or does he carry on?"

I honestly think he will be taken out (ie, bumped off by drone/hitman/etc)

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol

"Pakistans prim minister has stabbed everyone else in the back with a massive deal with Russia for gas lay Wednesday just before the invasion of Ukraine.

And as everyone knew what was going on he is complicit

Commerce will continue and whilst we in the west need to wean ourselves off russian fossil fuels going forward..

Maybe we take the hit now of a total embargo because we are indirectly funding the military daily..

If we come off of Russian oil/gas the price will sky rocket. Russia will still sell it elsewhere at the now inflated market prices. "

This is where the green agenda has gotten us we should have been fracking by now.

Gas would have been a fraction of the price it is

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

fracking gas would've sold been at the market price in the same way that electricity from renwables costs the same as electric from gas. the only difference being that roy franklin would be making eye watering profits which he would doubtless remove from the uk economy to his offshore shell companies in panama, cayman and bvi.

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol

"fracking gas would've sold been at the market price in the same way that electricity from renwables costs the same as electric from gas. the only difference being that roy franklin would be making eye watering profits which he would doubtless remove from the uk economy to his offshore shell companies in panama, cayman and bvi."

This is why it should be state owned and run not private.

The same with any utilities

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By *uddy laneMan
over a year ago

dudley

"Pakistans prim minister has stabbed everyone else in the back with a massive deal with Russia for gas lay Wednesday just before the invasion of Ukraine.

And as everyone knew what was going on he is complicit

Commerce will continue and whilst we in the west need to wean ourselves off russian fossil fuels going forward..

Maybe we take the hit now of a total embargo because we are indirectly funding the military daily..

If we come off of Russian oil/gas the price will sky rocket. Russia will still sell it elsewhere at the now inflated market prices.

This is where the green agenda has gotten us we should have been fracking by now.

Gas would have been a fraction of the price it is "

Good idea a nationalised fracking gas company, but that will not happen the gas will be sold to the energy companies and they will sell it at the price set at the European spot market price. 5% of our gas comes from Europe at the European spot price, the other 95% is not but it is priced at the European spot price.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

considering the level of corruption demonstrated by the conservative and unionist party government over the last decade or so, then nationalisation of anything other than debt from political mismanagement will never happen, especially if the turkeys keep voting for christmas.

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By *uddy laneMan
over a year ago

dudley

"considering the level of corruption demonstrated by the conservative and unionist party government over the last decade or so, then nationalisation of anything other than debt from political mismanagement will never happen, especially if the turkeys keep voting for christmas.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Pakistans prim minister has stabbed everyone else in the back with a massive deal with Russia for gas lay Wednesday just before the invasion of Ukraine.

And as everyone knew what was going on he is complicit

Commerce will continue and whilst we in the west need to wean ourselves off russian fossil fuels going forward..

Maybe we take the hit now of a total embargo because we are indirectly funding the military daily..

If we come off of Russian oil/gas the price will sky rocket. Russia will still sell it elsewhere at the now inflated market prices.

This is where the green agenda has gotten us we should have been fracking by now.

Gas would have been a fraction of the price it is "

Are you genuinely this confused? If we'd moved to renewables 20 years ago. We wouldn't be in this mess.

The "green agenda" is the agenda of humanity.

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr

"So let's fast forward a bit.

Russia has taken complete control of Ukraine, no nuke's released and for the most part fighting has stopped.

Does Putin stop there or does he carry on?

It's more likely to end up with the whole region destabilised and continued war in one form or another. See recent invasions of Iraq, Afghanistan, etc, what's going on in the Congo.

These things drag on for years and years. "

Pretty much this. He stops because he's bogged down for years and his economy is dwindling.

The main difference is that, back in the 1980's, Gorbachev was smart enough to realise that such a state of affairs couldn't last.

Putin doesn't give a shit - so that's a real problem. Literally any way you crunch the numbers, he fails; and he's bound to know that.

The best we can hope for is that he's defeated/removed from power sooner, rather than later.

And I say hope because you'd better believe that, no matter how many westerners want it, NATO isn't going to war over this.

The long game may really hurt Ukraine - but it's not hurting the USA, UK and EU anywhere near as much as a Third World War would.

Btw - Third World War - would it be; if China and India sat back and watched? Let's face it, they'd be daft not to.

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

"Pakistans prim minister has stabbed everyone else in the back with a massive deal with Russia for gas lay Wednesday just before the invasion of Ukraine.

And as everyone knew what was going on he is complicit

Commerce will continue and whilst we in the west need to wean ourselves off russian fossil fuels going forward..

Maybe we take the hit now of a total embargo because we are indirectly funding the military daily..

If we come off of Russian oil/gas the price will sky rocket. Russia will still sell it elsewhere at the now inflated market prices.

This is where the green agenda has gotten us we should have been fracking by now.

Gas would have been a fraction of the price it is

Are you genuinely this confused? If we'd moved to renewables 20 years ago. We wouldn't be in this mess.

The "green agenda" is the agenda of humanity."

We still won't have completely "green energy" in another 20 years unless we have a miraculous discovery because we simply don't have the technology at a price we can afford.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So let's fast forward a bit.

Russia has taken complete control of Ukraine, no nuke's released and for the most part fighting has stopped.

Does Putin stop there or does he carry on?"

War of restance I expect., plus terrorist style attacks in Russia possibly

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By *ighty_tightyMan
over a year ago

Norfolk/Suffolk

"Pakistans prim minister has stabbed everyone else in the back with a massive deal with Russia for gas lay Wednesday just before the invasion of Ukraine.

And as everyone knew what was going on he is complicit

Commerce will continue and whilst we in the west need to wean ourselves off russian fossil fuels going forward..

Maybe we take the hit now of a total embargo because we are indirectly funding the military daily..

If we come off of Russian oil/gas the price will sky rocket. Russia will still sell it elsewhere at the now inflated market prices.

This is where the green agenda has gotten us we should have been fracking by now.

Gas would have been a fraction of the price it is "

We are fracking, it's a very common practice. We just do it offshore and not onshore.

We have been winding down exploration levels over the last decade or so for both cost and green reasons. We could be developing and producing more but we are not.

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol

"Pakistans prim minister has stabbed everyone else in the back with a massive deal with Russia for gas lay Wednesday just before the invasion of Ukraine.

And as everyone knew what was going on he is complicit

Commerce will continue and whilst we in the west need to wean ourselves off russian fossil fuels going forward..

Maybe we take the hit now of a total embargo because we are indirectly funding the military daily..

If we come off of Russian oil/gas the price will sky rocket. Russia will still sell it elsewhere at the now inflated market prices.

This is where the green agenda has gotten us we should have been fracking by now.

Gas would have been a fraction of the price it is

Are you genuinely this confused? If we'd moved to renewables 20 years ago. We wouldn't be in this mess.

The "green agenda" is the agenda of humanity."

Meanwhile nobody will be able to afford to heat their houses drive to work food prices will still keep going up because of the cost of fuel ect.

Trying to push the green agenda before the technology is ready for it.

Other countries are either making money out of their natural resources or simply buying carbon fuels from other countries and claiming lower footprints because of the fact that they themselves are not digging it up.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

the conservative and unionist party governments have had over a decade to sort this out but are more interested in expanding their chumocratic corruption instead.... and still the turkeys keep voting for christmas.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Pakistans prim minister has stabbed everyone else in the back with a massive deal with Russia for gas lay Wednesday just before the invasion of Ukraine.

And as everyone knew what was going on he is complicit

Commerce will continue and whilst we in the west need to wean ourselves off russian fossil fuels going forward..

Maybe we take the hit now of a total embargo because we are indirectly funding the military daily..

If we come off of Russian oil/gas the price will sky rocket. Russia will still sell it elsewhere at the now inflated market prices.

This is where the green agenda has gotten us we should have been fracking by now.

Gas would have been a fraction of the price it is

Are you genuinely this confused? If we'd moved to renewables 20 years ago. We wouldn't be in this mess.

The "green agenda" is the agenda of humanity.

We still won't have completely "green energy" in another 20 years unless we have a miraculous discovery because we simply don't have the technology at a price we can afford."

We won't have it in 20 years, simply because the lack of political will.

The big money is in fossil fuels. Which cost way way way more than renewables.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Pakistans prim minister has stabbed everyone else in the back with a massive deal with Russia for gas lay Wednesday just before the invasion of Ukraine.

And as everyone knew what was going on he is complicit

Commerce will continue and whilst we in the west need to wean ourselves off russian fossil fuels going forward..

Maybe we take the hit now of a total embargo because we are indirectly funding the military daily..

If we come off of Russian oil/gas the price will sky rocket. Russia will still sell it elsewhere at the now inflated market prices.

This is where the green agenda has gotten us we should have been fracking by now.

Gas would have been a fraction of the price it is

Are you genuinely this confused? If we'd moved to renewables 20 years ago. We wouldn't be in this mess.

The "green agenda" is the agenda of humanity.

Meanwhile nobody will be able to afford to heat their houses drive to work food prices will still keep going up because of the cost of fuel ect.

Trying to push the green agenda before the technology is ready for it.

Oh, you genuinely are this confused.

There's some really good information out there about renewable energy.

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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago

Longridge

"Pakistans prim minister has stabbed everyone else in the back with a massive deal with Russia for gas lay Wednesday just before the invasion of Ukraine.

And as everyone knew what was going on he is complicit

Commerce will continue and whilst we in the west need to wean ourselves off russian fossil fuels going forward..

Maybe we take the hit now of a total embargo because we are indirectly funding the military daily..

If we come off of Russian oil/gas the price will sky rocket. Russia will still sell it elsewhere at the now inflated market prices.

This is where the green agenda has gotten us we should have been fracking by now.

Gas would have been a fraction of the price it is

Are you genuinely this confused? If we'd moved to renewables 20 years ago. We wouldn't be in this mess.

The "green agenda" is the agenda of humanity.

We still won't have completely "green energy" in another 20 years unless we have a miraculous discovery because we simply don't have the technology at a price we can afford."

I generate 80% of the annual energy I consume plus some bonus Air Conditioner credits in summer.

This, at a cost of £6k and been installed around 5yrs. Is 80% not better than 0% in light of the mess the climate is in.

Unfortunately, for 6weeks of the year, Solar is not great, almost non existent but can take comfort the energy I do consume is supposedly "green sourced"..

I wouldn't say offsetting what I would have paid in bills the last 5yrs to cover it, has broken the bank. In fact, I could say, I've not even missed it..

The last 2 years, Direct Debit was £40 per month, just gone up £65 due to re-tariff increase by 50%.

With this in mind, an additional 3ke being added and bigger batteries to allow more coverage for less sunny days..

It's actually fun working out best times to consume energy a d run the washer - for FREE..

Maybe people should drop the "Solar doesn't pay crap" Martin Lewis spews out as he thinks government should pay extortionate sums for home produced kwhs. When at 36p/kw pricing coming towards many in October, the value is in generating and using it, not selling for 4p/kw.

Solar/ Battery / Hot Water is the way and affordable today compared to the real cost of energy.

50 houses on my street, 3 have Solar, why?

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By *uddy laneMan
over a year ago

dudley

Hydrogen is the way to go for clean energy.