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"Well I have to conceed I was wrong. one corrupt superpower (Russia) has reacted to the west's goading by invading a pawn of the west (Ukraine) Egged on by an incompitant corrupt useless superpower (America) and their hang ons like the UK. I've Been in two stupid American wars as a medic, one illegal and thankful I'm not in a third. Thoughts and prairs go out to the innocent victims regardless of their nationality " I am also guilty of thinking this was just a ploy by Putin , I didn’t think he would go this far, I just hope there can be a solution before it gets worse . | |||
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"Well I have to conceed I was wrong. one corrupt superpower (Russia) has reacted to the west's goading by invading a pawn of the west (Ukraine) Egged on by an incompitant corrupt useless superpower (America) and their hang ons like the UK. I've Been in two stupid American wars as a medic, one illegal and thankful I'm not in a third. Thoughts and prairs go out to the innocent victims regardless of their nationality " How have ‘the West’ been goading Russia? Please don’t try to suggest that independent countries making their own independent decisions is somehow the fault of ‘the West’. Independent countries making their own sovereign decisions is their indelible right. Russia invading such a country to enforce regime change and illegally occupy it is no one else’s fault but Russia’s. | |||
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"As I've said in another thread, Putin has already won. Even if the sanctions (and why not apply all of them immediately) have the desired effect, it'll simply stop him. It won't make him give up his gains. The west is weak and both he and China know it. While I'm at it, the only sanctions that will have any effect are those that will be applied by the USA. The same USA that is the only meaningful military force in NATO and the same USA that continues to be slagged off by numerous individuals on here. " He has not won, things will never go back to the way they were even if he does take the Ukraine until he is gone. Most of the world will view him as a despot and sanctions will last until he has gone the world cannot afford to let benefit from this. | |||
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"As I've said in another thread, Putin has already won. Even if the sanctions (and why not apply all of them immediately) have the desired effect, it'll simply stop him. It won't make him give up his gains. The west is weak and both he and China know it. While I'm at it, the only sanctions that will have any effect are those that will be applied by the USA. The same USA that is the only meaningful military force in NATO and the same USA that continues to be slagged off by numerous individuals on here. He has not won, things will never go back to the way they were even if he does take the Ukraine until he is gone. Most of the world will view him as a despot and sanctions will last until he has gone the world cannot afford to let benefit from this." And once he is gone it will not matter. | |||
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"Well I have to conceed I was wrong. one corrupt superpower (Russia) has reacted to the west's goading by invading a pawn of the west (Ukraine) Egged on by an incompitant corrupt useless superpower (America) and their hang ons like the UK. I've Been in two stupid American wars as a medic, one illegal and thankful I'm not in a third. Thoughts and prairs go out to the innocent victims regardless of their nationality How have ‘the West’ been goading Russia? Please don’t try to suggest that independent countries making their own independent decisions is somehow the fault of ‘the West’. Independent countries making their own sovereign decisions is their indelible right. Russia invading such a country to enforce regime change and illegally occupy it is no one else’s fault but Russia’s." 100% agree with _oo hot here that’s not happened often l | |||
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"As I've said in another thread, Putin has already won. Even if the sanctions (and why not apply all of them immediately) have the desired effect, it'll simply stop him. It won't make him give up his gains. The west is weak and both he and China know it. While I'm at it, the only sanctions that will have any effect are those that will be applied by the USA. The same USA that is the only meaningful military force in NATO and the same USA that continues to be slagged off by numerous individuals on here. He has not won, things will never go back to the way they were even if he does take the Ukraine until he is gone. Most of the world will view him as a despot and sanctions will last until he has gone the world cannot afford to let benefit from this. And once he is gone it will not matter." I think he has painted himself into a corner,i doubt if the russian people want to kill people who they class as their own.My hope is when the fighting gets close up and personal that they realize what they are doing for a nutter is not what they want,if the generals decided it was wrong putin could not do a thing about it.Thats my hope anyway. | |||
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"As I've said in another thread, Putin has already won. Even if the sanctions (and why not apply all of them immediately) have the desired effect, it'll simply stop him. It won't make him give up his gains. The west is weak and both he and China know it. While I'm at it, the only sanctions that will have any effect are those that will be applied by the USA. The same USA that is the only meaningful military force in NATO and the same USA that continues to be slagged off by numerous individuals on here. He has not won, things will never go back to the way they were even if he does take the Ukraine until he is gone. Most of the world will view him as a despot and sanctions will last until he has gone the world cannot afford to let benefit from this. And once he is gone it will not matter.I think he has painted himself into a corner,i doubt if the russian people want to kill people who they class as their own.My hope is when the fighting gets close up and personal that they realize what they are doing for a nutter is not what they want,if the generals decided it was wrong putin could not do a thing about it.Thats my hope anyway." And fairies live at the bottom of the garden. If they were that concerned they wouldn't have gone this far. Time to accept the harsh reality | |||
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"Well I have to conceed I was wrong. one corrupt superpower (Russia) has reacted to the west's goading by invading a pawn of the west (Ukraine) Egged on by an incompitant corrupt useless superpower (America) and their hang ons like the UK. I've Been in two stupid American wars as a medic, one illegal and thankful I'm not in a third. Thoughts and prairs go out to the innocent victims regardless of their nationality How have ‘the West’ been goading Russia? Please don’t try to suggest that independent countries making their own independent decisions is somehow the fault of ‘the West’. Independent countries making their own sovereign decisions is their indelible right. Russia invading such a country to enforce regime change and illegally occupy it is no one else’s fault but Russia’s." Well said  .
Calico how can you admit you were wrong about Russia and then still blame the West for starting this conflict in the same post? You are still wrong just like you were from the beginning. There is no excuse for Russias aggressive actions and any attempt by yourself or anyone else to defend them or try to justify them is pathetic in the eyes of the rest of the world. | |||
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"Well I have to conceed I was wrong. one corrupt superpower (Russia) has reacted to the west's goading by invading a pawn of the west (Ukraine) Egged on by an incompitant corrupt useless superpower (America) and their hang ons like the UK. I've Been in two stupid American wars as a medic, one illegal and thankful I'm not in a third. Thoughts and prairs go out to the innocent victims regardless of their nationality How have ‘the West’ been goading Russia? Please don’t try to suggest that independent countries making their own independent decisions is somehow the fault of ‘the West’. Independent countries making their own sovereign decisions is their indelible right. Russia invading such a country to enforce regime change and illegally occupy it is no one else’s fault but Russia’s. 100% agree with _oo hot here that’s not happened often l" I'm also on agreement here. You could argue countries in "the west" were not helpful. But Putin and his generals are 100% at fault for starting this war/invasion. To suggest otherwise removes some of his culpability. | |||
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"Well I have to conceed I was wrong. one corrupt superpower (Russia) has reacted to the west's goading by invading a pawn of the west (Ukraine) Egged on by an incompitant corrupt useless superpower (America) and their hang ons like the UK. I've Been in two stupid American wars as a medic, one illegal and thankful I'm not in a third. Thoughts and prairs go out to the innocent victims regardless of their nationality " Wow…. After everything you said yesterday!!! Admitting you were duped but still trying to blame the other side! That’s a bit rich… It’s a bit like RT today in their broadcasts twisting and trying to not call it what Everyone knows it is… which is an invasion!!! So… just what are the west in your eyes apparently guilty of?? | |||
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"As I've said in another thread, Putin has already won. Even if the sanctions (and why not apply all of them immediately) have the desired effect, it'll simply stop him. It won't make him give up his gains. The west is weak and both he and China know it. While I'm at it, the only sanctions that will have any effect are those that will be applied by the USA. The same USA that is the only meaningful military force in NATO and the same USA that continues to be slagged off by numerous individuals on here. He has not won, things will never go back to the way they were even if he does take the Ukraine until he is gone. Most of the world will view him as a despot and sanctions will last until he has gone the world cannot afford to let benefit from this. And once he is gone it will not matter.I think he has painted himself into a corner,i doubt if the russian people want to kill people who they class as their own.My hope is when the fighting gets close up and personal that they realize what they are doing for a nutter is not what they want,if the generals decided it was wrong putin could not do a thing about it.Thats my hope anyway." From what I read if it comes to urban fighting that is Ukraine's best chance of inflicting heavy casualties on the Russians. Still at least we got the promise from Macron that they won't invade | |||
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"Well I have to conceed I was wrong. one corrupt superpower (Russia) has reacted to the west's goading by invading a pawn of the west (Ukraine) Egged on by an incompitant corrupt useless superpower (America) and their hang ons like the UK. I've Been in two stupid American wars as a medic, one illegal and thankful I'm not in a third. Thoughts and prairs go out to the innocent victims regardless of their nationality " You really think the west has any influence in him invading ? He has been planning this for a long time | |||
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"What is worrying is why he wanted Chernobyl
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"What is worrying is why he wanted Chernobyl
Fastest way to the capital mate."Ah ok | |||
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"Well I have to conceed I was wrong. one corrupt superpower (Russia) has reacted to the west's goading by invading a pawn of the west (Ukraine) Egged on by an incompitant corrupt useless superpower (America) and their hang ons like the UK. I've Been in two stupid American wars as a medic, one illegal and thankful I'm not in a third. Thoughts and prairs go out to the innocent victims regardless of their nationality How have ‘the West’ been goading Russia? Please don’t try to suggest that independent countries making their own independent decisions is somehow the fault of ‘the West’. Independent countries making their own sovereign decisions is their indelible right. Russia invading such a country to enforce regime change and illegally occupy it is no one else’s fault but Russia’s." Not listening to russia's concerns regarding the expansion of nato eastwards, Joe Biden saying he's ignoring Russian Red lines, constantly rubbishing russian concerns and demanding russia conceed everything while the west's demands are all met without at least making serious efforts in negotiations. All "big thought talk" bluster from America and the west has backfired big style. Putin I think felt his hand was forced to act before Ukraine joined nato. Plenty of missed opportunities here | |||
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"There'll be no winners here " Putin already has the minimum he was after | |||
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"There'll be no winners here Putin already has the minimum he was after" Yes but will he stop there?! | |||
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"There'll be no winners here Putin already has the minimum he was after Yes but will he stop there?! " . For the time being, probably. Once the sanctions hurt, he'll stop. I'm time they'll stop and then he'll start again. I don't see why it's so difficult to comprehend | |||
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"How have ‘the West’ been goading Russia? Please don’t try to suggest that independent countries making their own independent decisions is somehow the fault of ‘the West’. Independent countries making their own sovereign decisions is their indelible right. Russia invading such a country to enforce regime change and illegally occupy it is no one else’s fault but Russia’s. Not listening to russia's concerns regarding the expansion of nato eastwards, Joe Biden saying he's ignoring Russian Red lines, constantly rubbishing russian concerns and demanding russia conceed everything while the west's demands are all met without at least making serious efforts in negotiations. All "big thought talk" bluster from America and the west has backfired big style. Putin I think felt his hand was forced to act before Ukraine joined nato. Plenty of missed opportunities here " I am sorry but the excuses you are using is laughable Joining NATO is written into the Ukrainian constitution… and Ukraine is nowhere near being eligible to join anyway, if you are telling me putin didn’t know this then his advisers should be removed! It’s any good excuse that basically suits a cause and a narrative which is putins desire for putting back together a “greater Russian empire “… Belarus is a Russian proxy, and if I was Georgia or Armenia for example.. I’d be worried that I would be next | |||
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"How have ‘the West’ been goading Russia? Please don’t try to suggest that independent countries making their own independent decisions is somehow the fault of ‘the West’. Independent countries making their own sovereign decisions is their indelible right. Russia invading such a country to enforce regime change and illegally occupy it is no one else’s fault but Russia’s. Not listening to russia's concerns regarding the expansion of nato eastwards, Joe Biden saying he's ignoring Russian Red lines, constantly rubbishing russian concerns and demanding russia conceed everything while the west's demands are all met without at least making serious efforts in negotiations. All "big thought talk" bluster from America and the west has backfired big style. Putin I think felt his hand was forced to act before Ukraine joined nato. Plenty of missed opportunities here I am sorry but the excuses you are using is laughable Joining NATO is written into the Ukrainian constitution… and Ukraine is nowhere near being eligible to join anyway, if you are telling me putin didn’t know this then his advisers should be removed! It’s any good excuse that basically suits a cause and a narrative which is putins desire for putting back together a “greater Russian empire “… Belarus is a Russian proxy, and if I was Georgia or Armenia for example.. I’d be worried that I would be next" Nato members have a vote who joins the alliance. And Ukraine are a long long way off getting in. | |||
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"As I've said in another thread, Putin has already won. Even if the sanctions (and why not apply all of them immediately) have the desired effect, it'll simply stop him. It won't make him give up his gains. The west is weak and both he and China know it. While I'm at it, the only sanctions that will have any effect are those that will be applied by the USA. The same USA that is the only meaningful military force in NATO and the same USA that continues to be slagged off by numerous individuals on here. He has not won, things will never go back to the way they were even if he does take the Ukraine until he is gone. Most of the world will view him as a despot and sanctions will last until he has gone the world cannot afford to let benefit from this. And once he is gone it will not matter." it depend who comes next after putin,,,another despot who wants to rebuild the old U.S.S.R. putin sees himself as another stalin... churchill was right in thinking at the end of ww2 maybe it would be easier to re arm the germans and get rid of the communists in 1945 while all the armies are there than wait for ww3 where will putin decide to invade next?? hungary? poland? latvia? all were under russian control for many years | |||
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"As I've said in another thread, Putin has already won. Even if the sanctions (and why not apply all of them immediately) have the desired effect, it'll simply stop him. It won't make him give up his gains. The west is weak and both he and China know it. While I'm at it, the only sanctions that will have any effect are those that will be applied by the USA. The same USA that is the only meaningful military force in NATO and the same USA that continues to be slagged off by numerous individuals on here. He has not won, things will never go back to the way they were even if he does take the Ukraine until he is gone. Most of the world will view him as a despot and sanctions will last until he has gone the world cannot afford to let benefit from this. And once he is gone it will not matter. it depend who comes next after putin,,,another despot who wants to rebuild the old U.S.S.R. putin sees himself as another stalin... churchill was right in thinking at the end of ww2 maybe it would be easier to re arm the germans and get rid of the communists in 1945 while all the armies are there than wait for ww3 where will putin decide to invade next?? hungary? poland? latvia? all were under russian control for many years "Once no military action is taken by NATO over Ukraine Putin will continue to invade the old countries who were part of the former USSR he believes the US and the UK are now weak after the hasty withdrawal from Afghanistan | |||
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"How have ‘the West’ been goading Russia? Please don’t try to suggest that independent countries making their own independent decisions is somehow the fault of ‘the West’. Independent countries making their own sovereign decisions is their indelible right. Russia invading such a country to enforce regime change and illegally occupy it is no one else’s fault but Russia’s. Not listening to russia's concerns regarding the expansion of nato eastwards, Joe Biden saying he's ignoring Russian Red lines, constantly rubbishing russian concerns and demanding russia conceed everything while the west's demands are all met without at least making serious efforts in negotiations. All "big thought talk" bluster from America and the west has backfired big style. Putin I think felt his hand was forced to act before Ukraine joined nato. Plenty of missed opportunities here I am sorry but the excuses you are using is laughable Joining NATO is written into the Ukrainian constitution… and Ukraine is nowhere near being eligible to join anyway, if you are telling me putin didn’t know this then his advisers should be removed! It’s any good excuse that basically suits a cause and a narrative which is putins desire for putting back together a “greater Russian empire “… Belarus is a Russian proxy, and if I was Georgia or Armenia for example.. I’d be worried that I would be next" Whatever,  | |||
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"Well I have to conceed I was wrong. one corrupt superpower (Russia) has reacted to the west's goading by invading a pawn of the west (Ukraine) Egged on by an incompitant corrupt useless superpower (America) and their hang ons like the UK. I've Been in two stupid American wars as a medic, one illegal and thankful I'm not in a third. Thoughts and prairs go out to the innocent victims regardless of their nationality I am also guilty of thinking this was just a ploy by Putin , I didn’t think he would go this far, I just hope there can be a solution before it gets worse . " The writing was on the wall.. The next problem being: "To anyone who would consider interfering from the outside - if you do, you will face consequences greater than any you have faced in history". | |||
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"Well I have to conceed I was wrong. one corrupt superpower (Russia) has reacted to the west's goading by invading a pawn of the west (Ukraine) Egged on by an incompitant corrupt useless superpower (America) and their hang ons like the UK. I've Been in two stupid American wars as a medic, one illegal and thankful I'm not in a third. Thoughts and prairs go out to the innocent victims regardless of their nationality How have ‘the West’ been goading Russia? Please don’t try to suggest that independent countries making their own independent decisions is somehow the fault of ‘the West’. Independent countries making their own sovereign decisions is their indelible right. Russia invading such a country to enforce regime change and illegally occupy it is no one else’s fault but Russia’s." | |||
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"Well I have to conceed I was wrong. one corrupt superpower (Russia) has reacted to the west's goading by invading a pawn of the west (Ukraine) Egged on by an incompitant corrupt useless superpower (America) and their hang ons like the UK. I've Been in two stupid American wars as a medic, one illegal and thankful I'm not in a third. Thoughts and prairs go out to the innocent victims regardless of their nationality How have ‘the West’ been goading Russia? Please don’t try to suggest that independent countries making their own independent decisions is somehow the fault of ‘the West’. Independent countries making their own sovereign decisions is their indelible right. Russia invading such a country to enforce regime change and illegally occupy it is no one else’s fault but Russia’s. Well said .
Calico how can you admit you were wrong about Russia and then still blame the West for starting this conflict in the same post? You are still wrong just like you were from the beginning. There is no excuse for Russias aggressive actions and any attempt by yourself or anyone else to defend them or try to justify them is pathetic in the eyes of the rest of the world." | |||
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"Personally, I think Putin may have made something of a strategic mistake here. Ordinary Ukrainian people will not just accept this. There will likely be constant harassment (attacks) on Russian soldiers and stooges for as long as this nonsense goes on. My wife is Russian and her communication with her family and friends in Russia suggests that there is more than just a feeling that Putin has lost his mind somewhat with this. Yes, the action is part of the Russian playbook - but it is an unwinnable campaign for Russia in the long term. Ukraine is a huge country and Russia cannot even dream of holding the population under occupation control." Yes I agree that put in has fucked up here, and it'll end badly | |||
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"Well I have to conceed I was wrong. one corrupt superpower (Russia) has reacted to the west's goading by invading a pawn of the west (Ukraine) Egged on by an incompitant corrupt useless superpower (America) and their hang ons like the UK. I've Been in two stupid American wars as a medic, one illegal and thankful I'm not in a third. Thoughts and prairs go out to the innocent victims regardless of their nationality How have ‘the West’ been goading Russia? Please don’t try to suggest that independent countries making their own independent decisions is somehow the fault of ‘the West’. Independent countries making their own sovereign decisions is their indelible right. Russia invading such a country to enforce regime change and illegally occupy it is no one else’s fault but Russia’s." Your right. What I. Saying is America and Europe saw an advantage in Russia bashing at Ukraine expense and stirring it up with suggesting Nato etc... | |||
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"The real scariest thing about this whole situation that I don't hear many people mention is that if putin fires nukes... they will more than likely be headed straight for the United Kingdom Far enough away from them. But close enough target." I don't think he could launch just one, it would have to be a strategic launch to take out all his enemies simultaneously otherwise hundreds of nukes would already be on the way to Moscow before his crosses the border. | |||
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"The cant reach the us and Eastern Europe is to close to home. " What cant reach the U.S. I think you will find ICBMs can easily reach the U.S. | |||
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"The cant reach the us and Eastern Europe is to close to home. " InterContinental Ballistic Missiles can easily reach any part of the planet from anywhere on the planet. Russia and The USA understand that firing just one of them means mutually assured destruction. The idea would be to fire thousands of them before the other side has time to react. Here in the U.K. we would get about 25-30 minutes notice of incoming missiles. Enough for a last shag - not much else. | |||
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"The cant reach the us and Eastern Europe is to close to home. " oh i think you will find an icbm can pretty much reach most places on the planet your obviously thinking of the fireworks n. Korea have, | |||
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