FabSwingers.com forum: Putin invasion

By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Too much press speculation..

If he going to invade then just get on with it ffs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe he's waiting for when no one's looking.

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr

"Too much press speculation..

If he going to invade then just get on with it ffs.

Not sure you can blame the press for the speculation.

Boris, Biden and their Cabinet members, etc; definitely.

They've had plenty to say about how much they expect Russia could invade even more of Ukraine than they already have.

It's almost as if they want him to.

And you have to wonder why, if they're all telling Putin and his Foreign and Defence ministers why invasion would be a very bad idea - and it really would; why are they telling anyone else who will listen, that invasion is imminent?

At best it's mixed messaging, at worst it's utterly cack-handed diplomacy.

I've said it before, the Russians and the Chinese are not the good guys - but the world order is changing; and the two countries that used to run the planet unopposed are having a hard time coming to terms with it.

The fact is that democracy, even the flawed kinds that exist in the USA and UK, is not the norm, worldwide - and no matter how much they'd like it to be, it never has been and it never will be.

Yes, I am glad that I live in a country where I enjoy a lot of freedom and the right to vote. I even think those things are worth fighting for; as was the case in WWII.

However, neither Russia nor China has the capacity - nor, in China's case, the desire - to threaten the freedoms we enjoy in the USA, UK, Western Europe, Canada, India, etc.

They just want us to stop interfering with their way of doing things - which is something we're more than happy to do for the Saudis.

If opposing their actions eventually means going to war with them over Ukraine or Taiwan - something no Western leader has yet said they're prepared to do, in either case - then it would, necessarily, be a war without any winners.

The Chinese, the Vietnamese and the Taliban have all fought the USA to a standstill; when the resolve of their people back home has crumbled.

The people of the USA and the UK wanted nothing to do with getting involved in Syria - and that's turned out to be an utter tragedy, albeit in a similar way to the tragedies of Iraq and Afghanistan, where we were involved.

Why did we want nothing to do with sending our armed forces to Syria? Because we were lied to about Iraq - and we knew it.

Our leaders have become so untrustworthy that they know they can't get us to consent to military action - involving the deaths of our relatives - for a cause that, like it or not, wouldn't really affect our daily lives.

That's why they're talking sanctions against Russia now - though they should have introduced them after Crimea was invaded.

Why they're using rhetoric that's likely to mean that sanctions will be needed; who knows?

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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago

Longridge

"Maybe he's waiting for when no one's looking. "

Putin is waiting for "validation" by first, shit stirring. This is now intensifying by the number of reports Russia are putting out that Ukrain is causing provocation.

It's how Putin has done business for many years and although we see right through it, he has to keep the image.

It's coming, and press have nothing to do with it, Putin is buying time and from the past, it's any day now. Biden is right, minds are set, just now the day.

Chechnya, Georgia, Crimea all start with "provocation" from the other side. The excuse us wearing thin but it keep getting used.

Anyw day now..

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Maybe he's waiting for when no one's looking.

Putin is waiting for "validation" by first, shit stirring. This is now intensifying by the number of reports Russia are putting out that Ukrain is causing provocation.

It's how Putin has done business for many years and although we see right through it, he has to keep the image.

It's coming, and press have nothing to do with it, Putin is buying time and from the past, it's any day now. Biden is right, minds are set, just now the day.

Chechnya, Georgia, Crimea all start with "provocation" from the other side. The excuse us wearing thin but it keep getting used.

Anyw day now.."
very true but he will find it much harder than he did in Chechnya or Georgia.

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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago

Longridge

IF you look hard enough..

For once, I agree with Boris, the show has ALREADY started.

Calmly and slowly creeping and before you've realised, separatists moving deeper in, Russian passport holders evacuating to Russia, mite shelling, more cease fire breaches.

Building up to the excuse that it is to "protect Russian Ukrainians from attack", that's been used many times over.

One trigger happy Ukrainian and there's no going back.

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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago

Longridge

One thing I would suggest..

I have purchased a Methane to LPG Conversion kit for the boiler for £15, meaning that any restrictions in gas supply, whether volume or pricing, it is possible to switch quickly from mains to 47kg bottles.

Just need the regulator if needed later..

Might be £15 wasted, then again, could be money we'll spent!!

Gas supply will be Putin's first retaliation..

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"One thing I would suggest..

Just need the regulator if needed later..

Might be £15 wasted, then again, could be money we'll spent!!

Gas supply will be Putin's first retaliation..

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luckily the uk doesn't get much from Russia so doubt we will be effected that much.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

uk produces aprox 40% of gas used. imports from europe make up a similar amount. this is mostly supplied by (in order fo volume supplied) Norway, Netherlands, belgium, france, russia. these european suppliers source an ever increasing majority of the gas that they sell us from the russian firm gazprom. as a nation this country uses a huge amount of russian gas.

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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago

Longridge

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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago

Longridge

Not quite, the post above plus..

There's a lot more to it..

Gas comes into the UK via ships as LNG, admittedly, only a tiny bit is Russian. The remainder from other countries in the Middle East and Americas via sea.

When the US or Russia shuts off Nordstream, and LNG starts going to the highest bidder which more than likely will be Germany since they use most of their gas to generate electricity due to shutting down Nuclear and Coal plants.

Ships will be taking detours from UK ports to those countries willing to pay more for it, that's our issue, not Russian gas.

Gas will be over priced and in limited quantities as LNG. Why was Biden in the Middle East talking to LNG gas supplying countries a few weeks ago?

Plus, it is not conceivable that should we end up in a war with Russia that just like WW2, supply shipping could be a problem?

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

liquified gas makes up the remaining 20% ... so far less than the russian gas supplied to us by 3rd party european countries. every time gas transits through a country, then more is added to the cost. this makes the uk particularly vulnerable

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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago

Longridge

Absolutely, so when the piped import gas stops or reduced, more reliance on LNG which may not be forthcoming..

We are not immune, hence the sourcing of Gas converter kit, some 47kg bottles, pipe and regulator.

May not be needed but option is available..

TBH, for the amount of gas used due to Solar, I am seriously considering disconnecting mains gas supply as Standing Charges are getting ridiculous.

How they justify increase of Electric Standing Charges CAP from 25p to 45p per day is beyond me other than stealth revenue recovery.

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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago

Longridge

Oh dear..

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