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"UK will be told to lift ban on hormone-treated beef to join key trade bloc, leaked memo suggests. Canada asked some probing questions and stated this will be an important issue for Canada in judging the UK’s compliance with CPTPP’ https://www.independent.co.uk/politics/hormones-beef-brexit-trade-cptpp-b2010031.html (Apologies that this is behind a pay wall). I guess that this would be spun as a good thing even though the UK goverment assured us that it would never allow this to happen. It hasn't happened yet so let's wait and see.." Exactly this has not happened yet and most likely will not but that does not stop speculation  | |||
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"Why not wait until it does? Or did you just cream yourself when you read it and couldn’t wait to post "I don't need to cream myself over your misfortune and you don't need to make personal attacks. I only quoted an article that was printed in the Independent. I linked my post to the article - you can read it yourself. Any more personal slurs and I will be reporting you to the moderator. | |||
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"Why not wait until it does? Or did you just cream yourself when you read it and couldn’t wait to post
I don't need to cream myself over your misfortune and you don't need to make personal attacks.
I only quoted an article that was printed in the Independent.
I linked my post to the article - you can read it yourself.
Any more personal slurs and I will be reporting you to the moderator. "Misfortune=humiliation at being embarrassingly conned and lied to. | |||
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"Why not wait until it does? Or did you just cream yourself when you read it and couldn’t wait to post
I don't need to cream myself over your misfortune and you don't need to make personal attacks.
I only quoted an article that was printed in the Independent.
I linked my post to the article - you can read it yourself.
Any more personal slurs and I will be reporting you to the moderator. "Its not a personal attack but i apologise if i offended your sensitive nature  and its not my misfortune as i will carry on buying my meat from the local farm shop as usual. | |||
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"According to the National Farmers Union, the choices consumers are making is a shift from meat based produce to vegetable based produce now, with the dairy industry being particularly hit. Even though it may come into force to have hormone treated beef. The health conscious UK consumer is far likely to choose meat and dairy free alternatives. This will lead to a shift in farming methods, which some farmers are already doing. Can't stop the UK consumer making choices, a problem which the UK government fails to realise at this present time. " A shift being driven in no small part by a well funded, well organised propaganda machine which is spreading a largely false narrative. | |||
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"Why not wait until it does? Or did you just cream yourself when you read it and couldn’t wait to post "There’s quite a track record of things being promised or promises being reneged. Devolved nations and Northern regions were assured they’d not be out of pocket following Brexit and the loss of EU funding yet Govt has now rolled back that assurance. So speculation might be far off the mark. | |||
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"Will you be forced to buy it? If not buy the usual beef you normally buy if you eat beef!" The well off will be fine. But as market forces come into play, eventually the good stuff will be out of reach to most. Good steak is already £30 a pop! | |||
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"According to the National Farmers Union, the choices consumers are making is a shift from meat based produce to vegetable based produce now, with the dairy industry being particularly hit. Even though it may come into force to have hormone treated beef. The health conscious UK consumer is far likely to choose meat and dairy free alternatives. This will lead to a shift in farming methods, which some farmers are already doing. Can't stop the UK consumer making choices, a problem which the UK government fails to realise at this present time. A shift being driven in no small part by a well funded, well organised propaganda machine which is spreading a largely false narrative." Better dust off the tin foil hat, conspiracy everywhere. | |||
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"Will you be forced to buy it? If not buy the usual beef you normally buy if you eat beef! The well off will be fine. But as market forces come into play, eventually the good stuff will be out of reach to most. Good steak is already £30 a pop! " You don't have aldi or lidl in the UK. Generally we buy our meat from the local butcher and have to say I've never seen fillet steak much more than 10euro a steak. Like wise a decent size housekeepers cut for a roast is 12 to 15euro. Plus many rural butchers in Ireland either farm and kill their own beef. | |||
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"Will you be forced to buy it? If not buy the usual beef you normally buy if you eat beef! The well off will be fine. But as market forces come into play, eventually the good stuff will be out of reach to most. Good steak is already £30 a pop! " Well if you find eating good steak costs you £30 a time then maybe you should try eating at home once in a while  | |||
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"According to the National Farmers Union, the choices consumers are making is a shift from meat based produce to vegetable based produce now, with the dairy industry being particularly hit. Even though it may come into force to have hormone treated beef. The health conscious UK consumer is far likely to choose meat and dairy free alternatives. This will lead to a shift in farming methods, which some farmers are already doing. Can't stop the UK consumer making choices, a problem which the UK government fails to realise at this present time. A shift being driven in no small part by a well funded, well organised propaganda machine which is spreading a largely false narrative. Better dust off the tin foil hat, conspiracy everywhere." Take channel 4 for example Their output often has an anti farmer anti meat slant, no surprise given they are very heavily invested in a fake meat company. It not just all down to an intentional conspiracy though, it’s partly down to the demographic of those working in the media industry. It’s an industry with an over representation of vegans within it. | |||
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"According to the National Farmers Union, the choices consumers are making is a shift from meat based produce to vegetable based produce now, with the dairy industry being particularly hit. Even though it may come into force to have hormone treated beef. The health conscious UK consumer is far likely to choose meat and dairy free alternatives. This will lead to a shift in farming methods, which some farmers are already doing. Can't stop the UK consumer making choices, a problem which the UK government fails to realise at this present time. A shift being driven in no small part by a well funded, well organised propaganda machine which is spreading a largely false narrative. Better dust off the tin foil hat, conspiracy everywhere. Take channel 4 for example Their output often has an anti farmer anti meat slant, no surprise given they are very heavily invested in a fake meat company. It not just all down to an intentional conspiracy though, it’s partly down to the demographic of those working in the media industry. It’s an industry with an over representation of vegans within it." What percentage of the people working in the media are vegan? | |||
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"Why not wait until it does? Or did you just cream yourself when you read it and couldn’t wait to post "This is brexit in a nutshell. Let's vote for a huge turd. Then deny everything, call it "project fear", then when it happens blame remainers/Corbyn etc. In the meantime attack anyone who discusses the reality of brexit for British people. | |||
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"Why not wait until it does? Or did you just cream yourself when you read it and couldn’t wait to post
This is brexit in a nutshell.
Let's vote for a huge turd. Then deny everything, call it "project fear", then when it happens blame remainers/Corbyn etc.
In the meantime attack anyone who discusses the reality of brexit for British people.
"No its not, its a fact it is speculation nothing more.If i started making posts about what MIGHT of happened if we had stayed in you would have been one of the first to rubbish it. | |||
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"Why not wait until it does? Or did you just cream yourself when you read it and couldn’t wait to post
This is brexit in a nutshell.
Let's vote for a huge turd. Then deny everything, call it "project fear", then when it happens blame remainers/Corbyn etc.
In the meantime attack anyone who discusses the reality of brexit for British people.
No its not, its a fact it is speculation nothing more.If i started making posts about what MIGHT of happened if we had stayed in you would have been one of the first to rubbish it. "Are you worried that there ‘might ‘ be a war in the Ukraine? Is there anything in the future, that ‘might’ happen that gives you cause for concern | |||
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"Will you be forced to buy it? If not buy the usual beef you normally buy if you eat beef! The well off will be fine. But as market forces come into play, eventually the good stuff will be out of reach to most. Good steak is already £30 a pop! " That’s ok I don’t eat steak anyways always seen it as overpriced  | |||
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"According to the National Farmers Union, the choices consumers are making is a shift from meat based produce to vegetable based produce now, with the dairy industry being particularly hit. Even though it may come into force to have hormone treated beef. The health conscious UK consumer is far likely to choose meat and dairy free alternatives. This will lead to a shift in farming methods, which some farmers are already doing. Can't stop the UK consumer making choices, a problem which the UK government fails to realise at this present time. " Unfortunately they may not know that they are buying it as labelling is another potential problem in the deal as it is with Australia and the US. As for wait and see try stopping it once it’s started. Better to stop before trade starts as legal issues could lead to us paying compensation. This government have said it wouldn’t happen but they also say 600k more people in work which is a lie as it’s 600k less. They also said crime has fallen but they have excluded fraud which if included shows crime has increased. So we can obviously trust this government totally. | |||
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"Why not wait until it does? Or did you just cream yourself when you read it and couldn’t wait to post
This is brexit in a nutshell.
Let's vote for a huge turd. Then deny everything, call it "project fear", then when it happens blame remainers/Corbyn etc.
In the meantime attack anyone who discusses the reality of brexit for British people.
No its not, its a fact it is speculation nothing more.If i started making posts about what MIGHT of happened if we had stayed in you would have been one of the first to rubbish it.
Are you worried that there ‘might ‘ be a war in the Ukraine? Is there anything in the future, that ‘might’ happen that gives you cause for concern "the point of that comment was exactly what???? | |||
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"Why not wait until it does? Or did you just cream yourself when you read it and couldn’t wait to post
This is brexit in a nutshell.
Let's vote for a huge turd. Then deny everything, call it "project fear", then when it happens blame remainers/Corbyn etc.
In the meantime attack anyone who discusses the reality of brexit for British people.
No its not, its a fact it is speculation nothing more.If i started making posts about what MIGHT of happened if we had stayed in you would have been one of the first to rubbish it. "Work away. | |||
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"Will you be forced to buy it? If not buy the usual beef you normally buy if you eat beef! The well off will be fine. But as market forces come into play, eventually the good stuff will be out of reach to most. Good steak is already £30 a pop! You don't have aldi or lidl in the UK. Generally we buy our meat from the local butcher and have to say I've never seen fillet steak much more than 10euro a steak. Like wise a decent size housekeepers cut for a roast is 12 to 15euro. Plus many rural butchers in Ireland either farm and kill their own beef. " Ireland is in the EU, so what goes on there and the subject of this thread are not really related. And yea there are Aldi in UK. | |||
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"Will you be forced to buy it? If not buy the usual beef you normally buy if you eat beef! The well off will be fine. But as market forces come into play, eventually the good stuff will be out of reach to most. Good steak is already £30 a pop! You don't have aldi or lidl in the UK. Generally we buy our meat from the local butcher and have to say I've never seen fillet steak much more than 10euro a steak. Like wise a decent size housekeepers cut for a roast is 12 to 15euro. Plus many rural butchers in Ireland either farm and kill their own beef. Ireland is in the EU, so what goes on there and the subject of this thread are not really related. And yea there are Aldi in UK. " Well we from northern Ireland Derry and be similar price to the free state, only time I paid £30 for a streak was out. | |||
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"UK will be told to lift ban on hormone-treated beef to join key trade bloc, leaked memo suggests. Canada asked some probing questions and stated this will be an important issue for Canada in judging the UK’s compliance with CPTPP’ https://www.independent.co.uk/politics/hormones-beef-brexit-trade-cptpp-b2010031.html (Apologies that this is behind a pay wall). I guess that this would be spun as a good thing even though the UK goverment assured us that it would never allow this to happen. It hasn't happened yet so let's wait and see.." I'm not convinced this will happen and there are those that state its not a requirement to joining. I think it's possibly a negotiating tactic for the talks. At the end of the day we won't know until the deal is done. Either way just buy British and if possible support your local farmers | |||
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"Will you be forced to buy it? If not buy the usual beef you normally buy if you eat beef! The well off will be fine. But as market forces come into play, eventually the good stuff will be out of reach to most. Good steak is already £30 a pop! You don't have aldi or lidl in the UK. Generally we buy our meat from the local butcher and have to say I've never seen fillet steak much more than 10euro a steak. Like wise a decent size housekeepers cut for a roast is 12 to 15euro. Plus many rural butchers in Ireland either farm and kill their own beef. Ireland is in the EU, so what goes on there and the subject of this thread are not really related. And yea there are Aldi in UK. " Where ever you live you will always have the choice to buy or not to buy when browsing the Isles in your local supermarket. Pretty sure British beef will be well advertised at the butcher counter and reasonably priced unless your in the habit of eating waguwagu fillet steaks | |||
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"Will you be forced to buy it? If not buy the usual beef you normally buy if you eat beef! The well off will be fine. But as market forces come into play, eventually the good stuff will be out of reach to most. Good steak is already £30 a pop! You don't have aldi or lidl in the UK. Generally we buy our meat from the local butcher and have to say I've never seen fillet steak much more than 10euro a steak. Like wise a decent size housekeepers cut for a roast is 12 to 15euro. Plus many rural butchers in Ireland either farm and kill their own beef. Ireland is in the EU, so what goes on there and the subject of this thread are not really related. And yea there are Aldi in UK. Where ever you live you will always have the choice to buy or not to buy when browsing the Isles in your local supermarket. Pretty sure British beef will be well advertised at the butcher counter and reasonably priced unless your in the habit of eating waguwagu fillet steaks " you may well be right but again if it was to happen - i would take a simpler view and ask simply is having hormone treated beef on the supermarket shelf a good thing (a brexit bonus!) or (as i stand there checking the labels) a reflection of life being just being a little bit more shit in post Brexit britain. obviously we may both have different answers to this and maybe the person who doesn’t have a discounter near them and who chooses their meat based primarily on cost so they can afford to feed their kids properly may have a different view too… | |||
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"Will you be forced to buy it? If not buy the usual beef you normally buy if you eat beef! The well off will be fine. But as market forces come into play, eventually the good stuff will be out of reach to most. Good steak is already £30 a pop! You don't have aldi or lidl in the UK. Generally we buy our meat from the local butcher and have to say I've never seen fillet steak much more than 10euro a steak. Like wise a decent size housekeepers cut for a roast is 12 to 15euro. Plus many rural butchers in Ireland either farm and kill their own beef. Ireland is in the EU, so what goes on there and the subject of this thread are not really related. And yea there are Aldi in UK. Where ever you live you will always have the choice to buy or not to buy when browsing the Isles in your local supermarket. Pretty sure British beef will be well advertised at the butcher counter and reasonably priced unless your in the habit of eating waguwagu fillet steaks you may well be right but again if it was to happen - i would take a simpler view and ask simply is having hormone treated beef on the supermarket shelf a good thing (a brexit bonus!) or (as i stand there checking the labels) a reflection of life being just being a little bit more shit in post Brexit britain. obviously we may both have different answers to this and maybe the person who doesn’t have a discounter near them and who chooses their meat based primarily on cost so they can afford to feed their kids properly may have a different view too…" If it were me, and I did not want to eat certain new products and preferred to have the products I am used to and trust, then I would continue to buy the products I always have and that I would have bought anyway even if these possible new products don't actually make it to the shelves | |||
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"Will you be forced to buy it? If not buy the usual beef you normally buy if you eat beef! The well off will be fine. But as market forces come into play, eventually the good stuff will be out of reach to most. Good steak is already £30 a pop! You don't have aldi or lidl in the UK. Generally we buy our meat from the local butcher and have to say I've never seen fillet steak much more than 10euro a steak. Like wise a decent size housekeepers cut for a roast is 12 to 15euro. Plus many rural butchers in Ireland either farm and kill their own beef. Ireland is in the EU, so what goes on there and the subject of this thread are not really related. And yea there are Aldi in UK. Where ever you live you will always have the choice to buy or not to buy when browsing the Isles in your local supermarket. Pretty sure British beef will be well advertised at the butcher counter and reasonably priced unless your in the habit of eating waguwagu fillet steaks you may well be right but again if it was to happen - i would take a simpler view and ask simply is having hormone treated beef on the supermarket shelf a good thing (a brexit bonus!) or (as i stand there checking the labels) a reflection of life being just being a little bit more shit in post Brexit britain. obviously we may both have different answers to this and maybe the person who doesn’t have a discounter near them and who chooses their meat based primarily on cost so they can afford to feed their kids properly may have a different view too…" The thing is is it bad for peoples health? livestock producers must demonstrate that hormone levels that remain in the animal tissues are below levels deemed appropriate and safe via testing. A safe level is an amount of hormone that remains in edible tissues that have been proven to have no harmful effects on humans. The main reason the eu banned it was political like a lot of their rules. The boost in growth rate created by hormone implants allows for cattle to be finished earlier thereby requiring less time on feed and fewer resources per pound of meat produced. A common myth surrounding beef produced with additional hormones is that it is unsafe to consume. | |||
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"According to the National Farmers Union, the choices consumers are making is a shift from meat based produce to vegetable based produce now, with the dairy industry being particularly hit. Even though it may come into force to have hormone treated beef. The health conscious UK consumer is far likely to choose meat and dairy free alternatives. This will lead to a shift in farming methods, which some farmers are already doing. Can't stop the UK consumer making choices, a problem which the UK government fails to realise at this present time. A shift being driven in no small part by a well funded, well organised propaganda machine which is spreading a largely false narrative. Better dust off the tin foil hat, conspiracy everywhere. Take channel 4 for example Their output often has an anti farmer anti meat slant, no surprise given they are very heavily invested in a fake meat company. It not just all down to an intentional conspiracy though, it’s partly down to the demographic of those working in the media industry. It’s an industry with an over representation of vegans within it." Sir Ian Eustace-Williams, the head of the Farming Action, part of a collection of wealthy farmers in the UK, said that a large proportion of UK farmers are looking at sustainable farming as a method to change habits of UK consumers, not to say meat is off the table, but a larger proportion of it will move to arable farming, with fruit and veg being grown more in the UK as to reduce the carbon emission footprint from imports of those goods from abroad. He went on to say that the money stays within the UK which will drive the economy and ensure buying British will become a far more appealing choice. Which is good. | |||
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"Will you be forced to buy it? If not buy the usual beef you normally buy if you eat beef! The well off will be fine. But as market forces come into play, eventually the good stuff will be out of reach to most. Good steak is already £30 a pop! " I buy my steak from a local butcher. It comes from Herefordshire...he can even tell you which farms....its about a 10% premium over Tesco matured steak....and well worth it! | |||
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"Will you be forced to buy it? If not buy the usual beef you normally buy if you eat beef! The well off will be fine. But as market forces come into play, eventually the good stuff will be out of reach to most. Good steak is already £30 a pop! You don't have aldi or lidl in the UK. Generally we buy our meat from the local butcher and have to say I've never seen fillet steak much more than 10euro a steak. Like wise a decent size housekeepers cut for a roast is 12 to 15euro. Plus many rural butchers in Ireland either farm and kill their own beef. Ireland is in the EU, so what goes on there and the subject of this thread are not really related. And yea there are Aldi in UK. Where ever you live you will always have the choice to buy or not to buy when browsing the Isles in your local supermarket. Pretty sure British beef will be well advertised at the butcher counter and reasonably priced unless your in the habit of eating waguwagu fillet steaks you may well be right but again if it was to happen - i would take a simpler view and ask simply is having hormone treated beef on the supermarket shelf a good thing (a brexit bonus!) or (as i stand there checking the labels) a reflection of life being just being a little bit more shit in post Brexit britain. obviously we may both have different answers to this and maybe the person who doesn’t have a discounter near them and who chooses their meat based primarily on cost so they can afford to feed their kids properly may have a different view too…The thing is is it bad for peoples health? livestock producers must demonstrate that hormone levels that remain in the animal tissues are below levels deemed appropriate and safe via testing. A safe level is an amount of hormone that remains in edible tissues that have been proven to have no harmful effects on humans. The main reason the eu banned it was political like a lot of their rules. The boost in growth rate created by hormone implants allows for cattle to be finished earlier thereby requiring less time on feed and fewer resources per pound of meat produced. A common myth surrounding beef produced with additional hormones is that it is unsafe to consume." This is heading into conspiracy theory territory now. | |||
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"Will you be forced to buy it? If not buy the usual beef you normally buy if you eat beef! The well off will be fine. But as market forces come into play, eventually the good stuff will be out of reach to most. Good steak is already £30 a pop! You don't have aldi or lidl in the UK. Generally we buy our meat from the local butcher and have to say I've never seen fillet steak much more than 10euro a steak. Like wise a decent size housekeepers cut for a roast is 12 to 15euro. Plus many rural butchers in Ireland either farm and kill their own beef. Ireland is in the EU, so what goes on there and the subject of this thread are not really related. And yea there are Aldi in UK. Where ever you live you will always have the choice to buy or not to buy when browsing the Isles in your local supermarket. Pretty sure British beef will be well advertised at the butcher counter and reasonably priced unless your in the habit of eating waguwagu fillet steaks you may well be right but again if it was to happen - i would take a simpler view and ask simply is having hormone treated beef on the supermarket shelf a good thing (a brexit bonus!) or (as i stand there checking the labels) a reflection of life being just being a little bit more shit in post Brexit britain. obviously we may both have different answers to this and maybe the person who doesn’t have a discounter near them and who chooses their meat based primarily on cost so they can afford to feed their kids properly may have a different view too…" If hormone fed beef isn't selling. They'll just remove the labelling requirements. It's already been discussed. | |||
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"Will you be forced to buy it? If not buy the usual beef you normally buy if you eat beef! The well off will be fine. But as market forces come into play, eventually the good stuff will be out of reach to most. Good steak is already £30 a pop! You don't have aldi or lidl in the UK. Generally we buy our meat from the local butcher and have to say I've never seen fillet steak much more than 10euro a steak. Like wise a decent size housekeepers cut for a roast is 12 to 15euro. Plus many rural butchers in Ireland either farm and kill their own beef. Ireland is in the EU, so what goes on there and the subject of this thread are not really related. And yea there are Aldi in UK. Where ever you live you will always have the choice to buy or not to buy when browsing the Isles in your local supermarket. Pretty sure British beef will be well advertised at the butcher counter and reasonably priced unless your in the habit of eating waguwagu fillet steaks you may well be right but again if it was to happen - i would take a simpler view and ask simply is having hormone treated beef on the supermarket shelf a good thing (a brexit bonus!) or (as i stand there checking the labels) a reflection of life being just being a little bit more shit in post Brexit britain. obviously we may both have different answers to this and maybe the person who doesn’t have a discounter near them and who chooses their meat based primarily on cost so they can afford to feed their kids properly may have a different view too…The thing is is it bad for peoples health? livestock producers must demonstrate that hormone levels that remain in the animal tissues are below levels deemed appropriate and safe via testing. A safe level is an amount of hormone that remains in edible tissues that have been proven to have no harmful effects on humans. The main reason the eu banned it was political like a lot of their rules. The boost in growth rate created by hormone implants allows for cattle to be finished earlier thereby requiring less time on feed and fewer resources per pound of meat produced. A common myth surrounding beef produced with additional hormones is that it is unsafe to consume. This is heading into conspiracy theory territory now. " Do you think if it was unsafe that countries who are still producing it would? Have you looked into it and found any credible expert who says it’s unsafe for human consumption or are you just basing your assumption because the eu says so? Personally I’m not for it but have never had a problem when in the USA or Australia eating it. | |||
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"Will you be forced to buy it? If not buy the usual beef you normally buy if you eat beef! The well off will be fine. But as market forces come into play, eventually the good stuff will be out of reach to most. Good steak is already £30 a pop! You don't have aldi or lidl in the UK. Generally we buy our meat from the local butcher and have to say I've never seen fillet steak much more than 10euro a steak. Like wise a decent size housekeepers cut for a roast is 12 to 15euro. Plus many rural butchers in Ireland either farm and kill their own beef. Ireland is in the EU, so what goes on there and the subject of this thread are not really related. And yea there are Aldi in UK. Where ever you live you will always have the choice to buy or not to buy when browsing the Isles in your local supermarket. Pretty sure British beef will be well advertised at the butcher counter and reasonably priced unless your in the habit of eating waguwagu fillet steaks you may well be right but again if it was to happen - i would take a simpler view and ask simply is having hormone treated beef on the supermarket shelf a good thing (a brexit bonus!) or (as i stand there checking the labels) a reflection of life being just being a little bit more shit in post Brexit britain. obviously we may both have different answers to this and maybe the person who doesn’t have a discounter near them and who chooses their meat based primarily on cost so they can afford to feed their kids properly may have a different view too…The thing is is it bad for peoples health? livestock producers must demonstrate that hormone levels that remain in the animal tissues are below levels deemed appropriate and safe via testing. A safe level is an amount of hormone that remains in edible tissues that have been proven to have no harmful effects on humans. The main reason the eu banned it was political like a lot of their rules. The boost in growth rate created by hormone implants allows for cattle to be finished earlier thereby requiring less time on feed and fewer resources per pound of meat produced. A common myth surrounding beef produced with additional hormones is that it is unsafe to consume. This is heading into conspiracy theory territory now. Do you think if it was unsafe that countries who are still producing it would? Have you looked into it and found any credible expert who says it’s unsafe for human consumption or are you just basing your assumption because the eu says so? Personally I’m not for it but have never had a problem when in the USA or Australia eating it." You should read up about it. US food safety standards are pretty much non existent. Hormones cause all kinds of health problems. The meat production industry donated millions and millions to both main parties there. So absolutely the government, whichever of their parties is in power, let's it happen. | |||
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"Will you be forced to buy it? If not buy the usual beef you normally buy if you eat beef! The well off will be fine. But as market forces come into play, eventually the good stuff will be out of reach to most. Good steak is already £30 a pop! You don't have aldi or lidl in the UK. Generally we buy our meat from the local butcher and have to say I've never seen fillet steak much more than 10euro a steak. Like wise a decent size housekeepers cut for a roast is 12 to 15euro. Plus many rural butchers in Ireland either farm and kill their own beef. Ireland is in the EU, so what goes on there and the subject of this thread are not really related. And yea there are Aldi in UK. Where ever you live you will always have the choice to buy or not to buy when browsing the Isles in your local supermarket. Pretty sure British beef will be well advertised at the butcher counter and reasonably priced unless your in the habit of eating waguwagu fillet steaks you may well be right but again if it was to happen - i would take a simpler view and ask simply is having hormone treated beef on the supermarket shelf a good thing (a brexit bonus!) or (as i stand there checking the labels) a reflection of life being just being a little bit more shit in post Brexit britain. obviously we may both have different answers to this and maybe the person who doesn’t have a discounter near them and who chooses their meat based primarily on cost so they can afford to feed their kids properly may have a different view too…The thing is is it bad for peoples health? livestock producers must demonstrate that hormone levels that remain in the animal tissues are below levels deemed appropriate and safe via testing. A safe level is an amount of hormone that remains in edible tissues that have been proven to have no harmful effects on humans. The main reason the eu banned it was political like a lot of their rules. The boost in growth rate created by hormone implants allows for cattle to be finished earlier thereby requiring less time on feed and fewer resources per pound of meat produced. A common myth surrounding beef produced with additional hormones is that it is unsafe to consume. This is heading into conspiracy theory territory now. Do you think if it was unsafe that countries who are still producing it would? Have you looked into it and found any credible expert who says it’s unsafe for human consumption or are you just basing your assumption because the eu says so? Personally I’m not for it but have never had a problem when in the USA or Australia eating it. You should read up about it. US food safety standards are pretty much non existent. Hormones cause all kinds of health problems. The meat production industry donated millions and millions to both main parties there. So absolutely the government, whichever of their parties is in power, let's it happen. " I have read up on it thats why im asking you to point me to where credible experts are saying its detrimental to peoples health. Do they also do that in Australia, Canada and New Zealand are their political parties sponsored by the meat industry? I love the way people are taken in by EU propaganda for protectionist reasons they only have to see hormones = bad chlorine = bad yet drink that every day willingly in their water.Dont you think the people of these countries have a voice? if it was detrimental to their health there would be mass demonstrations the press would be running with it every day people would be boycotting it but funny enough i dont see any of that happening around the world why is that do you think? | |||
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"Will you be forced to buy it? If not buy the usual beef you normally buy if you eat beef! The well off will be fine. But as market forces come into play, eventually the good stuff will be out of reach to most. Good steak is already £30 a pop! You don't have aldi or lidl in the UK. Generally we buy our meat from the local butcher and have to say I've never seen fillet steak much more than 10euro a steak. Like wise a decent size housekeepers cut for a roast is 12 to 15euro. Plus many rural butchers in Ireland either farm and kill their own beef. Ireland is in the EU, so what goes on there and the subject of this thread are not really related. And yea there are Aldi in UK. Where ever you live you will always have the choice to buy or not to buy when browsing the Isles in your local supermarket. Pretty sure British beef will be well advertised at the butcher counter and reasonably priced unless your in the habit of eating waguwagu fillet steaks you may well be right but again if it was to happen - i would take a simpler view and ask simply is having hormone treated beef on the supermarket shelf a good thing (a brexit bonus!) or (as i stand there checking the labels) a reflection of life being just being a little bit more shit in post Brexit britain. obviously we may both have different answers to this and maybe the person who doesn’t have a discounter near them and who chooses their meat based primarily on cost so they can afford to feed their kids properly may have a different view too…The thing is is it bad for peoples health? livestock producers must demonstrate that hormone levels that remain in the animal tissues are below levels deemed appropriate and safe via testing. A safe level is an amount of hormone that remains in edible tissues that have been proven to have no harmful effects on humans. The main reason the eu banned it was political like a lot of their rules. The boost in growth rate created by hormone implants allows for cattle to be finished earlier thereby requiring less time on feed and fewer resources per pound of meat produced. A common myth surrounding beef produced with additional hormones is that it is unsafe to consume. This is heading into conspiracy theory territory now. Do you think if it was unsafe that countries who are still producing it would? Have you looked into it and found any credible expert who says it’s unsafe for human consumption or are you just basing your assumption because the eu says so? Personally I’m not for it but have never had a problem when in the USA or Australia eating it. You should read up about it. US food safety standards are pretty much non existent. Hormones cause all kinds of health problems. The meat production industry donated millions and millions to both main parties there. So absolutely the government, whichever of their parties is in power, let's it happen. I have read up on it thats why im asking you to point me to where credible experts are saying its detrimental to peoples health. Do they also do that in Australia, Canada and New Zealand are their political parties sponsored by the meat industry? I love the way people are taken in by EU propaganda for protectionist reasons they only have to see hormones = bad chlorine = bad yet drink that every day willingly in their water.Dont you think the people of these countries have a voice? if it was detrimental to their health there would be mass demonstrations the press would be running with it every day people would be boycotting it but funny enough i dont see any of that happening around the world why is that do you think? " Why are you blaming your lack of understanding on other people following the EU. Bizarre. If you even spent a little time looking into it. You would find multiple studies on the effects of consuming hormone treated meat. So it's clear you've done absolutely none. Feel free to look at work undertaken and published by any or all of. Lois Zoppi Soil association (if you want UK based research) Erik Millstone Tim Lang Etc. I could go on and give a million names, or you could find your own. But I think it's pointless as you clearly want to be willfully ignorant and just argue for the sake of it. | |||
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This is brexit in a nutshell.
Let's vote for a huge turd. Then deny everything, call it "project fear", then when it happens blame remainers/Corbyn etc.
In the meantime attack anyone who discusses the reality of brexit for British people.
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" Where ever you live you will always have the choice to buy or not to buy when browsing the Isles in your local supermarket. Pretty sure British beef will be well advertised at the butcher counter and reasonably priced unless your in the habit of eating waguwagu fillet steaks There are going to be two different things that people are going to have to bear in mind 1) yes the potential HGH in beef coming in from places like Australia, Canada and the US 2) the potential of tariff free and no limit access to the UK market ( I think the tariff on beef at the moment is somewhere about 75% and the tariff on lamb is 90%) Because most uk meat exports go to the EU, they are really going to have to abide by EU laws anyway The question becomes will people in a cost of living squeeze stick with home produced better standard beef over it much cheaper alternative that could basically be dumped here to drive the prices down UK farmers are going " If a cheaper alternative is available does that mean you have to buy it? Why not just contnue buying what you do now at the same price you pay now | |||
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" Where ever you live you will always have the choice to buy or not to buy when browsing the Isles in your local supermarket. Pretty sure British beef will be well advertised at the butcher counter and reasonably priced unless your in the habit of eating waguwagu fillet steaks There are going to be two different things that people are going to have to bear in mind 1) yes the potential HGH in beef coming in from places like Australia, Canada and the US 2) the potential of tariff free and no limit access to the UK market ( I think the tariff on beef at the moment is somewhere about 75% and the tariff on lamb is 90%) Because most uk meat exports go to the EU, they are really going to have to abide by EU laws anyway The question becomes will people in a cost of living squeeze stick with home produced better standard beef over it much cheaper alternative that could basically be dumped here to drive the prices down UK farmers are going If a cheaper alternative is available does that mean you have to buy it? Why not just contnue buying what you do now at the same price you pay now" Thats too simple for some mate no drama in that. | |||
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" Where ever you live you will always have the choice to buy or not to buy when browsing the Isles in your local supermarket. Pretty sure British beef will be well advertised at the butcher counter and reasonably priced unless your in the habit of eating waguwagu fillet steaks There are going to be two different things that people are going to have to bear in mind 1) yes the potential HGH in beef coming in from places like Australia, Canada and the US 2) the potential of tariff free and no limit access to the UK market ( I think the tariff on beef at the moment is somewhere about 75% and the tariff on lamb is 90%) Because most uk meat exports go to the EU, they are really going to have to abide by EU laws anyway The question becomes will people in a cost of living squeeze stick with home produced better standard beef over it much cheaper alternative that could basically be dumped here to drive the prices down UK farmers are going If a cheaper alternative is available does that mean you have to buy it? Why not just contnue buying what you do now at the same price you pay nowThats too simple for some mate no drama in that. "As I’ve pointed out, the ‘same thing at same price’ won’t be quite the same price 18 months in to the mass import of race tk the bottom meat from NA. There will still be the choice, but the better stuff will be even more expensive…. Because they have a smaller market. It is that simple. | |||
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"Of course there will always be choice. The point is that if the race to the bottom goes down the same route as the imported shite with Hormones, then the entire market price structure will be altered. There’ll be leas economy if scale in the non hormone sector, therefore the quality end will get more and more expensive. Yes £30 is for eating out. Usually about £12 to £15 from the local butcher. But easier to eat out than faff about. " If you can’t be arsed to “faff about” you deserve to pay all that can be squeezed out of you! | |||
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"Of course there will always be choice. The point is that if the race to the bottom goes down the same route as the imported shite with Hormones, then the entire market price structure will be altered. There’ll be leas economy if scale in the non hormone sector, therefore the quality end will get more and more expensive. Yes £30 is for eating out. Usually about £12 to £15 from the local butcher. But easier to eat out than faff about. If you can’t be arsed to “faff about” you deserve to pay all that can be squeezed out of you!" Don’t object to that. Paying the extra is cheaper than the time spent cooking and cleaning up. Had a lovely fillet this evening. | |||
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"Will you be forced to buy it? If not buy the usual beef you normally buy if you eat beef! The well off will be fine. But as market forces come into play, eventually the good stuff will be out of reach to most. Good steak is already £30 a pop! You don't have aldi or lidl in the UK. Generally we buy our meat from the local butcher and have to say I've never seen fillet steak much more than 10euro a steak. Like wise a decent size housekeepers cut for a roast is 12 to 15euro. Plus many rural butchers in Ireland either farm and kill their own beef. Ireland is in the EU, so what goes on there and the subject of this thread are not really related. And yea there are Aldi in UK. Where ever you live you will always have the choice to buy or not to buy when browsing the Isles in your local supermarket. Pretty sure British beef will be well advertised at the butcher counter and reasonably priced unless your in the habit of eating waguwagu fillet steaks you may well be right but again if it was to happen - i would take a simpler view and ask simply is having hormone treated beef on the supermarket shelf a good thing (a brexit bonus!) or (as i stand there checking the labels) a reflection of life being just being a little bit more shit in post Brexit britain. obviously we may both have different answers to this and maybe the person who doesn’t have a discounter near them and who chooses their meat based primarily on cost so they can afford to feed their kids properly may have a different view too…The thing is is it bad for peoples health? livestock producers must demonstrate that hormone levels that remain in the animal tissues are below levels deemed appropriate and safe via testing. A safe level is an amount of hormone that remains in edible tissues that have been proven to have no harmful effects on humans. The main reason the eu banned it was political like a lot of their rules. The boost in growth rate created by hormone implants allows for cattle to be finished earlier thereby requiring less time on feed and fewer resources per pound of meat produced. A common myth surrounding beef produced with additional hormones is that it is unsafe to consume. This is heading into conspiracy theory territory now. Do you think if it was unsafe that countries who are still producing it would? Have you looked into it and found any credible expert who says it’s unsafe for human consumption or are you just basing your assumption because the eu says so? Personally I’m not for it but have never had a problem when in the USA or Australia eating it. You should read up about it. US food safety standards are pretty much non existent. Hormones cause all kinds of health problems. The meat production industry donated millions and millions to both main parties there. So absolutely the government, whichever of their parties is in power, let's it happen. I have read up on it thats why im asking you to point me to where credible experts are saying its detrimental to peoples health. Do they also do that in Australia, Canada and New Zealand are their political parties sponsored by the meat industry? I love the way people are taken in by EU propaganda for protectionist reasons they only have to see hormones = bad chlorine = bad yet drink that every day willingly in their water.Dont you think the people of these countries have a voice? if it was detrimental to their health there would be mass demonstrations the press would be running with it every day people would be boycotting it but funny enough i dont see any of that happening around the world why is that do you think? Why are you blaming your lack of understanding on other people following the EU. Bizarre. If you even spent a little time looking into it. You would find multiple studies on the effects of consuming hormone treated meat. So it's clear you've done absolutely none. Feel free to look at work undertaken and published by any or all of. Lois Zoppi Soil association (if you want UK based research) Erik Millstone Tim Lang Etc. I could go on and give a million names, or you could find your own. But I think it's pointless as you clearly want to be willfully ignorant and just argue for the sake of it. Be nice if you could give me some remainer names erik and tim both remainers and dont actually come up with any scientific evidence probably because erik has a degree in physics and 3 in philosophy, no wonder scientists around the world dont listen to him.As for lois zoppi she has a degree in media studies ffs you are really pulling thes experts out the bag. "Science has nothing to do with leave or remain. You appear to be completely blinded to any real life information. Literally pointless continuing any form of interaction. | |||
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"Why not wait until it does? Or did you just cream yourself when you read it and couldn’t wait to post
This is brexit in a nutshell.
Let's vote for a huge turd. Then deny everything, call it "project fear", then when it happens blame remainers/Corbyn etc.
In the meantime attack anyone who discusses the reality of brexit for British people.
but if it asnt happened yet how can it be reality lol"Last I checked. Brexit has happened. | |||
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"Will you be forced to buy it? If not buy the usual beef you normally buy if you eat beef! The well off will be fine. But as market forces come into play, eventually the good stuff will be out of reach to most. Good steak is already £30 a pop! You don't have aldi or lidl in the UK. Generally we buy our meat from the local butcher and have to say I've never seen fillet steak much more than 10euro a steak. Like wise a decent size housekeepers cut for a roast is 12 to 15euro. Plus many rural butchers in Ireland either farm and kill their own beef. Ireland is in the EU, so what goes on there and the subject of this thread are not really related. And yea there are Aldi in UK. Where ever you live you will always have the choice to buy or not to buy when browsing the Isles in your local supermarket. Pretty sure British beef will be well advertised at the butcher counter and reasonably priced unless your in the habit of eating waguwagu fillet steaks you may well be right but again if it was to happen - i would take a simpler view and ask simply is having hormone treated beef on the supermarket shelf a good thing (a brexit bonus!) or (as i stand there checking the labels) a reflection of life being just being a little bit more shit in post Brexit britain. obviously we may both have different answers to this and maybe the person who doesn’t have a discounter near them and who chooses their meat based primarily on cost so they can afford to feed their kids properly may have a different view too…The thing is is it bad for peoples health? livestock producers must demonstrate that hormone levels that remain in the animal tissues are below levels deemed appropriate and safe via testing. A safe level is an amount of hormone that remains in edible tissues that have been proven to have no harmful effects on humans. The main reason the eu banned it was political like a lot of their rules. The boost in growth rate created by hormone implants allows for cattle to be finished earlier thereby requiring less time on feed and fewer resources per pound of meat produced. A common myth surrounding beef produced with additional hormones is that it is unsafe to consume. This is heading into conspiracy theory territory now. Do you think if it was unsafe that countries who are still producing it would? Have you looked into it and found any credible expert who says it’s unsafe for human consumption or are you just basing your assumption because the eu says so? Personally I’m not for it but have never had a problem when in the USA or Australia eating it. You should read up about it. US food safety standards are pretty much non existent. Hormones cause all kinds of health problems. The meat production industry donated millions and millions to both main parties there. So absolutely the government, whichever of their parties is in power, let's it happen. I have read up on it thats why im asking you to point me to where credible experts are saying its detrimental to peoples health. Do they also do that in Australia, Canada and New Zealand are their political parties sponsored by the meat industry? I love the way people are taken in by EU propaganda for protectionist reasons they only have to see hormones = bad chlorine = bad yet drink that every day willingly in their water.Dont you think the people of these countries have a voice? if it was detrimental to their health there would be mass demonstrations the press would be running with it every day people would be boycotting it but funny enough i dont see any of that happening around the world why is that do you think? Why are you blaming your lack of understanding on other people following the EU. Bizarre. If you even spent a little time looking into it. You would find multiple studies on the effects of consuming hormone treated meat. So it's clear you've done absolutely none. Feel free to look at work undertaken and published by any or all of. Lois Zoppi Soil association (if you want UK based research) Erik Millstone Tim Lang Etc. I could go on and give a million names, or you could find your own. But I think it's pointless as you clearly want to be willfully ignorant and just argue for the sake of it. Be nice if you could give me some remainer names erik and tim both remainers and dont actually come up with any scientific evidence probably because erik has a degree in physics and 3 in philosophy, no wonder scientists around the world dont listen to him.As for lois zoppi she has a degree in media studies ffs you are really pulling thes experts out the bag.
Science has nothing to do with leave or remain.
You appear to be completely blinded to any real life information.
Literally pointless continuing any form of interaction."Yes it is when you really cant come up with any scientific evidence and as i have said before if there was the people in countries that use hormones would be up in arms and not eating it. | |||
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"Will you be forced to buy it? If not buy the usual beef you normally buy if you eat beef! The well off will be fine. But as market forces come into play, eventually the good stuff will be out of reach to most. Good steak is already £30 a pop! You don't have aldi or lidl in the UK. Generally we buy our meat from the local butcher and have to say I've never seen fillet steak much more than 10euro a steak. Like wise a decent size housekeepers cut for a roast is 12 to 15euro. Plus many rural butchers in Ireland either farm and kill their own beef. Ireland is in the EU, so what goes on there and the subject of this thread are not really related. And yea there are Aldi in UK. Where ever you live you will always have the choice to buy or not to buy when browsing the Isles in your local supermarket. Pretty sure British beef will be well advertised at the butcher counter and reasonably priced unless your in the habit of eating waguwagu fillet steaks you may well be right but again if it was to happen - i would take a simpler view and ask simply is having hormone treated beef on the supermarket shelf a good thing (a brexit bonus!) or (as i stand there checking the labels) a reflection of life being just being a little bit more shit in post Brexit britain. obviously we may both have different answers to this and maybe the person who doesn’t have a discounter near them and who chooses their meat based primarily on cost so they can afford to feed their kids properly may have a different view too…The thing is is it bad for peoples health? livestock producers must demonstrate that hormone levels that remain in the animal tissues are below levels deemed appropriate and safe via testing. A safe level is an amount of hormone that remains in edible tissues that have been proven to have no harmful effects on humans. The main reason the eu banned it was political like a lot of their rules. The boost in growth rate created by hormone implants allows for cattle to be finished earlier thereby requiring less time on feed and fewer resources per pound of meat produced. A common myth surrounding beef produced with additional hormones is that it is unsafe to consume. This is heading into conspiracy theory territory now. Do you think if it was unsafe that countries who are still producing it would? Have you looked into it and found any credible expert who says it’s unsafe for human consumption or are you just basing your assumption because the eu says so? Personally I’m not for it but have never had a problem when in the USA or Australia eating it. You should read up about it. US food safety standards are pretty much non existent. Hormones cause all kinds of health problems. The meat production industry donated millions and millions to both main parties there. So absolutely the government, whichever of their parties is in power, let's it happen. I have read up on it thats why im asking you to point me to where credible experts are saying its detrimental to peoples health. Do they also do that in Australia, Canada and New Zealand are their political parties sponsored by the meat industry? I love the way people are taken in by EU propaganda for protectionist reasons they only have to see hormones = bad chlorine = bad yet drink that every day willingly in their water.Dont you think the people of these countries have a voice? if it was detrimental to their health there would be mass demonstrations the press would be running with it every day people would be boycotting it but funny enough i dont see any of that happening around the world why is that do you think? Why are you blaming your lack of understanding on other people following the EU. Bizarre. If you even spent a little time looking into it. You would find multiple studies on the effects of consuming hormone treated meat. So it's clear you've done absolutely none. Feel free to look at work undertaken and published by any or all of. Lois Zoppi Soil association (if you want UK based research) Erik Millstone Tim Lang Etc. I could go on and give a million names, or you could find your own. But I think it's pointless as you clearly want to be willfully ignorant and just argue for the sake of it. Be nice if you could give me some remainer names erik and tim both remainers and dont actually come up with any scientific evidence probably because erik has a degree in physics and 3 in philosophy, no wonder scientists around the world dont listen to him.As for lois zoppi she has a degree in media studies ffs you are really pulling thes experts out the bag.
Science has nothing to do with leave or remain.
You appear to be completely blinded to any real life information.
Literally pointless continuing any form of interaction.Yes it is when you really cant come up with any scientific evidence and as i have said before if there was the people in countries that use hormones would be up in arms and not eating it. "They are up in arms. Never seen anyone so determined to stay willfully ignorant on a topic before. It's truly weird. For real. Just do some basic level research. Fast food nation by Eric Schlosser. Is not just about fast food. It's a good place to start if you do want to find out about the meat industry in the US. | |||
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"Will you be forced to buy it? If not buy the usual beef you normally buy if you eat beef! The well off will be fine. But as market forces come into play, eventually the good stuff will be out of reach to most. Good steak is already £30 a pop! You don't have aldi or lidl in the UK. Generally we buy our meat from the local butcher and have to say I've never seen fillet steak much more than 10euro a steak. Like wise a decent size housekeepers cut for a roast is 12 to 15euro. Plus many rural butchers in Ireland either farm and kill their own beef. Ireland is in the EU, so what goes on there and the subject of this thread are not really related. And yea there are Aldi in UK. Where ever you live you will always have the choice to buy or not to buy when browsing the Isles in your local supermarket. Pretty sure British beef will be well advertised at the butcher counter and reasonably priced unless your in the habit of eating waguwagu fillet steaks you may well be right but again if it was to happen - i would take a simpler view and ask simply is having hormone treated beef on the supermarket shelf a good thing (a brexit bonus!) or (as i stand there checking the labels) a reflection of life being just being a little bit more shit in post Brexit britain. obviously we may both have different answers to this and maybe the person who doesn’t have a discounter near them and who chooses their meat based primarily on cost so they can afford to feed their kids properly may have a different view too…The thing is is it bad for peoples health? livestock producers must demonstrate that hormone levels that remain in the animal tissues are below levels deemed appropriate and safe via testing. A safe level is an amount of hormone that remains in edible tissues that have been proven to have no harmful effects on humans. The main reason the eu banned it was political like a lot of their rules. The boost in growth rate created by hormone implants allows for cattle to be finished earlier thereby requiring less time on feed and fewer resources per pound of meat produced. A common myth surrounding beef produced with additional hormones is that it is unsafe to consume. This is heading into conspiracy theory territory now. Do you think if it was unsafe that countries who are still producing it would? Have you looked into it and found any credible expert who says it’s unsafe for human consumption or are you just basing your assumption because the eu says so? Personally I’m not for it but have never had a problem when in the USA or Australia eating it. You should read up about it. US food safety standards are pretty much non existent. Hormones cause all kinds of health problems. The meat production industry donated millions and millions to both main parties there. So absolutely the government, whichever of their parties is in power, let's it happen. I have read up on it thats why im asking you to point me to where credible experts are saying its detrimental to peoples health. Do they also do that in Australia, Canada and New Zealand are their political parties sponsored by the meat industry? I love the way people are taken in by EU propaganda for protectionist reasons they only have to see hormones = bad chlorine = bad yet drink that every day willingly in their water.Dont you think the people of these countries have a voice? if it was detrimental to their health there would be mass demonstrations the press would be running with it every day people would be boycotting it but funny enough i dont see any of that happening around the world why is that do you think? Why are you blaming your lack of understanding on other people following the EU. Bizarre. If you even spent a little time looking into it. You would find multiple studies on the effects of consuming hormone treated meat. So it's clear you've done absolutely none. Feel free to look at work undertaken and published by any or all of. Lois Zoppi Soil association (if you want UK based research) Erik Millstone Tim Lang Etc. I could go on and give a million names, or you could find your own. But I think it's pointless as you clearly want to be willfully ignorant and just argue for the sake of it. Be nice if you could give me some remainer names erik and tim both remainers and dont actually come up with any scientific evidence probably because erik has a degree in physics and 3 in philosophy, no wonder scientists around the world dont listen to him.As for lois zoppi she has a degree in media studies ffs you are really pulling thes experts out the bag.
Science has nothing to do with leave or remain.
You appear to be completely blinded to any real life information.
Literally pointless continuing any form of interaction.Yes it is when you really cant come up with any scientific evidence and as i have said before if there was the people in countries that use hormones would be up in arms and not eating it.
They are up in arms.
Never seen anyone so determined to stay willfully ignorant on a topic before. It's truly weird.
For real. Just do some basic level research.
Fast food nation by Eric Schlosser. Is not just about fast food. It's a good place to start if you do want to find out about the meat industry in the US."So you are trying to move it to a conversation about the usa how about australia,canada and new zealand just to name a few are all their governments poising them too and all their medical scientists going along with it.You seem to have been so indoctrinated with eu political propaganda you are blind to what is real. | |||
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"Will you be forced to buy it? If not buy the usual beef you normally buy if you eat beef! The well off will be fine. But as market forces come into play, eventually the good stuff will be out of reach to most. Good steak is already £30 a pop! You don't have aldi or lidl in the UK. Generally we buy our meat from the local butcher and have to say I've never seen fillet steak much more than 10euro a steak. Like wise a decent size housekeepers cut for a roast is 12 to 15euro. Plus many rural butchers in Ireland either farm and kill their own beef. Ireland is in the EU, so what goes on there and the subject of this thread are not really related. And yea there are Aldi in UK. Where ever you live you will always have the choice to buy or not to buy when browsing the Isles in your local supermarket. Pretty sure British beef will be well advertised at the butcher counter and reasonably priced unless your in the habit of eating waguwagu fillet steaks you may well be right but again if it was to happen - i would take a simpler view and ask simply is having hormone treated beef on the supermarket shelf a good thing (a brexit bonus!) or (as i stand there checking the labels) a reflection of life being just being a little bit more shit in post Brexit britain. obviously we may both have different answers to this and maybe the person who doesn’t have a discounter near them and who chooses their meat based primarily on cost so they can afford to feed their kids properly may have a different view too…The thing is is it bad for peoples health? livestock producers must demonstrate that hormone levels that remain in the animal tissues are below levels deemed appropriate and safe via testing. A safe level is an amount of hormone that remains in edible tissues that have been proven to have no harmful effects on humans. The main reason the eu banned it was political like a lot of their rules. The boost in growth rate created by hormone implants allows for cattle to be finished earlier thereby requiring less time on feed and fewer resources per pound of meat produced. A common myth surrounding beef produced with additional hormones is that it is unsafe to consume. This is heading into conspiracy theory territory now. Do you think if it was unsafe that countries who are still producing it would? Have you looked into it and found any credible expert who says it’s unsafe for human consumption or are you just basing your assumption because the eu says so? Personally I’m not for it but have never had a problem when in the USA or Australia eating it. You should read up about it. US food safety standards are pretty much non existent. Hormones cause all kinds of health problems. The meat production industry donated millions and millions to both main parties there. So absolutely the government, whichever of their parties is in power, let's it happen. I have read up on it thats why im asking you to point me to where credible experts are saying its detrimental to peoples health. Do they also do that in Australia, Canada and New Zealand are their political parties sponsored by the meat industry? I love the way people are taken in by EU propaganda for protectionist reasons they only have to see hormones = bad chlorine = bad yet drink that every day willingly in their water.Dont you think the people of these countries have a voice? if it was detrimental to their health there would be mass demonstrations the press would be running with it every day people would be boycotting it but funny enough i dont see any of that happening around the world why is that do you think? Why are you blaming your lack of understanding on other people following the EU. Bizarre. If you even spent a little time looking into it. You would find multiple studies on the effects of consuming hormone treated meat. So it's clear you've done absolutely none. Feel free to look at work undertaken and published by any or all of. Lois Zoppi Soil association (if you want UK based research) Erik Millstone Tim Lang Etc. I could go on and give a million names, or you could find your own. But I think it's pointless as you clearly want to be willfully ignorant and just argue for the sake of it. Be nice if you could give me some remainer names erik and tim both remainers and dont actually come up with any scientific evidence probably because erik has a degree in physics and 3 in philosophy, no wonder scientists around the world dont listen to him.As for lois zoppi she has a degree in media studies ffs you are really pulling thes experts out the bag.
Science has nothing to do with leave or remain.
You appear to be completely blinded to any real life information.
Literally pointless continuing any form of interaction.Yes it is when you really cant come up with any scientific evidence and as i have said before if there was the people in countries that use hormones would be up in arms and not eating it.
They are up in arms.
Never seen anyone so determined to stay willfully ignorant on a topic before. It's truly weird.
For real. Just do some basic level research.
Fast food nation by Eric Schlosser. Is not just about fast food. It's a good place to start if you do want to find out about the meat industry in the US.So you are trying to move it to a conversation about the usa how about australia,canada and new zealand just to name a few are all their governments poising them too and all their medical scientists going along with it.You seem to have been so indoctrinated with eu political propaganda you are blind to what is real. "Why do you only associate people who don't want to eat hormone pumped meat with the EU. It's just utterly bizarre. The science is extremely well documented, and is apolitical. You asked me about other countries. I have given you some suggested reading, as requested. If you want to continue to argue that science isn't real, then where do we go. You not understanding how scientific method works, is not evidence that you can use in an argument. | |||
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"Will you be forced to buy it? If not buy the usual beef you normally buy if you eat beef! The well off will be fine. But as market forces come into play, eventually the good stuff will be out of reach to most. Good steak is already £30 a pop! You don't have aldi or lidl in the UK. Generally we buy our meat from the local butcher and have to say I've never seen fillet steak much more than 10euro a steak. Like wise a decent size housekeepers cut for a roast is 12 to 15euro. Plus many rural butchers in Ireland either farm and kill their own beef. Ireland is in the EU, so what goes on there and the subject of this thread are not really related. And yea there are Aldi in UK. Where ever you live you will always have the choice to buy or not to buy when browsing the Isles in your local supermarket. Pretty sure British beef will be well advertised at the butcher counter and reasonably priced unless your in the habit of eating waguwagu fillet steaks you may well be right but again if it was to happen - i would take a simpler view and ask simply is having hormone treated beef on the supermarket shelf a good thing (a brexit bonus!) or (as i stand there checking the labels) a reflection of life being just being a little bit more shit in post Brexit britain. obviously we may both have different answers to this and maybe the person who doesn’t have a discounter near them and who chooses their meat based primarily on cost so they can afford to feed their kids properly may have a different view too…The thing is is it bad for peoples health? livestock producers must demonstrate that hormone levels that remain in the animal tissues are below levels deemed appropriate and safe via testing. A safe level is an amount of hormone that remains in edible tissues that have been proven to have no harmful effects on humans. The main reason the eu banned it was political like a lot of their rules. The boost in growth rate created by hormone implants allows for cattle to be finished earlier thereby requiring less time on feed and fewer resources per pound of meat produced. A common myth surrounding beef produced with additional hormones is that it is unsafe to consume. This is heading into conspiracy theory territory now. Do you think if it was unsafe that countries who are still producing it would? Have you looked into it and found any credible expert who says it’s unsafe for human consumption or are you just basing your assumption because the eu says so? Personally I’m not for it but have never had a problem when in the USA or Australia eating it. You should read up about it. US food safety standards are pretty much non existent. Hormones cause all kinds of health problems. The meat production industry donated millions and millions to both main parties there. So absolutely the government, whichever of their parties is in power, let's it happen. I have read up on it thats why im asking you to point me to where credible experts are saying its detrimental to peoples health. Do they also do that in Australia, Canada and New Zealand are their political parties sponsored by the meat industry? I love the way people are taken in by EU propaganda for protectionist reasons they only have to see hormones = bad chlorine = bad yet drink that every day willingly in their water.Dont you think the people of these countries have a voice? if it was detrimental to their health there would be mass demonstrations the press would be running with it every day people would be boycotting it but funny enough i dont see any of that happening around the world why is that do you think? Why are you blaming your lack of understanding on other people following the EU. Bizarre. If you even spent a little time looking into it. You would find multiple studies on the effects of consuming hormone treated meat. So it's clear you've done absolutely none. Feel free to look at work undertaken and published by any or all of. Lois Zoppi Soil association (if you want UK based research) Erik Millstone Tim Lang Etc. I could go on and give a million names, or you could find your own. But I think it's pointless as you clearly want to be willfully ignorant and just argue for the sake of it. Be nice if you could give me some remainer names erik and tim both remainers and dont actually come up with any scientific evidence probably because erik has a degree in physics and 3 in philosophy, no wonder scientists around the world dont listen to him.As for lois zoppi she has a degree in media studies ffs you are really pulling thes experts out the bag.
Science has nothing to do with leave or remain.
You appear to be completely blinded to any real life information.
Literally pointless continuing any form of interaction.Yes it is when you really cant come up with any scientific evidence and as i have said before if there was the people in countries that use hormones would be up in arms and not eating it.
They are up in arms.
Never seen anyone so determined to stay willfully ignorant on a topic before. It's truly weird.
For real. Just do some basic level research.
Fast food nation by Eric Schlosser. Is not just about fast food. It's a good place to start if you do want to find out about the meat industry in the US.So you are trying to move it to a conversation about the usa how about australia,canada and new zealand just to name a few are all their governments poising them too and all their medical scientists going along with it.You seem to have been so indoctrinated with eu political propaganda you are blind to what is real.
Why do you only associate people who don't want to eat hormone pumped meat with the EU. It's just utterly bizarre. The science is extremely well documented, and is apolitical.
You asked me about other countries. I have given you some suggested reading, as requested.
If you want to continue to argue that science isn't real, then where do we go. You not understanding how scientific method works, is not evidence that you can use in an argument."You keep on about the science being well documented but never give me a link,as for ONLY associating it with the eu where have i said that? Its obvious the governments of the countries that still allow it have not read this well documented science either otherwise the practice would be banned immediately. Right so this science is not evidence you can use in an argument why is that? it is either detrimental to your health as you keep stating or its not as many governments believe now dont take it the wrong way but i would rather believe them over some random guy on a swingers site. | |||
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"Will you be forced to buy it? If not buy the usual beef you normally buy if you eat beef! The well off will be fine. But as market forces come into play, eventually the good stuff will be out of reach to most. Good steak is already £30 a pop! You don't have aldi or lidl in the UK. Generally we buy our meat from the local butcher and have to say I've never seen fillet steak much more than 10euro a steak. Like wise a decent size housekeepers cut for a roast is 12 to 15euro. Plus many rural butchers in Ireland either farm and kill their own beef. Ireland is in the EU, so what goes on there and the subject of this thread are not really related. And yea there are Aldi in UK. Where ever you live you will always have the choice to buy or not to buy when browsing the Isles in your local supermarket. Pretty sure British beef will be well advertised at the butcher counter and reasonably priced unless your in the habit of eating waguwagu fillet steaks you may well be right but again if it was to happen - i would take a simpler view and ask simply is having hormone treated beef on the supermarket shelf a good thing (a brexit bonus!) or (as i stand there checking the labels) a reflection of life being just being a little bit more shit in post Brexit britain. obviously we may both have different answers to this and maybe the person who doesn’t have a discounter near them and who chooses their meat based primarily on cost so they can afford to feed their kids properly may have a different view too…The thing is is it bad for peoples health? livestock producers must demonstrate that hormone levels that remain in the animal tissues are below levels deemed appropriate and safe via testing. A safe level is an amount of hormone that remains in edible tissues that have been proven to have no harmful effects on humans. The main reason the eu banned it was political like a lot of their rules. The boost in growth rate created by hormone implants allows for cattle to be finished earlier thereby requiring less time on feed and fewer resources per pound of meat produced. A common myth surrounding beef produced with additional hormones is that it is unsafe to consume. This is heading into conspiracy theory territory now. Do you think if it was unsafe that countries who are still producing it would? Have you looked into it and found any credible expert who says it’s unsafe for human consumption or are you just basing your assumption because the eu says so? Personally I’m not for it but have never had a problem when in the USA or Australia eating it. You should read up about it. US food safety standards are pretty much non existent. Hormones cause all kinds of health problems. The meat production industry donated millions and millions to both main parties there. So absolutely the government, whichever of their parties is in power, let's it happen. I have read up on it thats why im asking you to point me to where credible experts are saying its detrimental to peoples health. Do they also do that in Australia, Canada and New Zealand are their political parties sponsored by the meat industry? I love the way people are taken in by EU propaganda for protectionist reasons they only have to see hormones = bad chlorine = bad yet drink that every day willingly in their water.Dont you think the people of these countries have a voice? if it was detrimental to their health there would be mass demonstrations the press would be running with it every day people would be boycotting it but funny enough i dont see any of that happening around the world why is that do you think? Why are you blaming your lack of understanding on other people following the EU. Bizarre. If you even spent a little time looking into it. You would find multiple studies on the effects of consuming hormone treated meat. So it's clear you've done absolutely none. Feel free to look at work undertaken and published by any or all of. Lois Zoppi Soil association (if you want UK based research) Erik Millstone Tim Lang Etc. I could go on and give a million names, or you could find your own. But I think it's pointless as you clearly want to be willfully ignorant and just argue for the sake of it. Be nice if you could give me some remainer names erik and tim both remainers and dont actually come up with any scientific evidence probably because erik has a degree in physics and 3 in philosophy, no wonder scientists around the world dont listen to him.As for lois zoppi she has a degree in media studies ffs you are really pulling thes experts out the bag.
Science has nothing to do with leave or remain.
You appear to be completely blinded to any real life information.
Literally pointless continuing any form of interaction.Yes it is when you really cant come up with any scientific evidence and as i have said before if there was the people in countries that use hormones would be up in arms and not eating it.
They are up in arms.
Never seen anyone so determined to stay willfully ignorant on a topic before. It's truly weird.
For real. Just do some basic level research.
Fast food nation by Eric Schlosser. Is not just about fast food. It's a good place to start if you do want to find out about the meat industry in the US.So you are trying to move it to a conversation about the usa how about australia,canada and new zealand just to name a few are all their governments poising them too and all their medical scientists going along with it.You seem to have been so indoctrinated with eu political propaganda you are blind to what is real.
Why do you only associate people who don't want to eat hormone pumped meat with the EU. It's just utterly bizarre. The science is extremely well documented, and is apolitical.
You asked me about other countries. I have given you some suggested reading, as requested.
If you want to continue to argue that science isn't real, then where do we go. You not understanding how scientific method works, is not evidence that you can use in an argument.You keep on about the science being well documented but never give me a link,as for ONLY associating it with the eu where have i said that?
Its obvious the governments of the countries that still allow it have not read this well documented science either otherwise the practice would be banned immediately.
Right so this science is not evidence you can use in an argument why is that? it is either detrimental to your health as you keep stating or its not as many governments believe now dont take it the wrong way but i would rather believe them over some random guy on a swingers site. "Not allowed to post links in the forum. Why not do your own research? You keep mentioning the EU. I'm suggesting that governments care more about being re-elected than they do about the health of their citizens. Just to be clear, you're the one claiming something other than the known science. You're acting the same way as if I demanded proof from you that aliens didn't build the pyramids, the burden of evidence lies on the person making the outlandish claim. | |||
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"Will you be forced to buy it? If not buy the usual beef you normally buy if you eat beef! The well off will be fine. But as market forces come into play, eventually the good stuff will be out of reach to most. Good steak is already £30 a pop! You don't have aldi or lidl in the UK. Generally we buy our meat from the local butcher and have to say I've never seen fillet steak much more than 10euro a steak. Like wise a decent size housekeepers cut for a roast is 12 to 15euro. Plus many rural butchers in Ireland either farm and kill their own beef. Ireland is in the EU, so what goes on there and the subject of this thread are not really related. And yea there are Aldi in UK. Where ever you live you will always have the choice to buy or not to buy when browsing the Isles in your local supermarket. Pretty sure British beef will be well advertised at the butcher counter and reasonably priced unless your in the habit of eating waguwagu fillet steaks you may well be right but again if it was to happen - i would take a simpler view and ask simply is having hormone treated beef on the supermarket shelf a good thing (a brexit bonus!) or (as i stand there checking the labels) a reflection of life being just being a little bit more shit in post Brexit britain. obviously we may both have different answers to this and maybe the person who doesn’t have a discounter near them and who chooses their meat based primarily on cost so they can afford to feed their kids properly may have a different view too…The thing is is it bad for peoples health? livestock producers must demonstrate that hormone levels that remain in the animal tissues are below levels deemed appropriate and safe via testing. A safe level is an amount of hormone that remains in edible tissues that have been proven to have no harmful effects on humans. The main reason the eu banned it was political like a lot of their rules. The boost in growth rate created by hormone implants allows for cattle to be finished earlier thereby requiring less time on feed and fewer resources per pound of meat produced. A common myth surrounding beef produced with additional hormones is that it is unsafe to consume. This is heading into conspiracy theory territory now. Do you think if it was unsafe that countries who are still producing it would? Have you looked into it and found any credible expert who says it’s unsafe for human consumption or are you just basing your assumption because the eu says so? Personally I’m not for it but have never had a problem when in the USA or Australia eating it. You should read up about it. US food safety standards are pretty much non existent. Hormones cause all kinds of health problems. The meat production industry donated millions and millions to both main parties there. So absolutely the government, whichever of their parties is in power, let's it happen. I have read up on it thats why im asking you to point me to where credible experts are saying its detrimental to peoples health. Do they also do that in Australia, Canada and New Zealand are their political parties sponsored by the meat industry? I love the way people are taken in by EU propaganda for protectionist reasons they only have to see hormones = bad chlorine = bad yet drink that every day willingly in their water.Dont you think the people of these countries have a voice? if it was detrimental to their health there would be mass demonstrations the press would be running with it every day people would be boycotting it but funny enough i dont see any of that happening around the world why is that do you think? Why are you blaming your lack of understanding on other people following the EU. Bizarre. If you even spent a little time looking into it. You would find multiple studies on the effects of consuming hormone treated meat. So it's clear you've done absolutely none. Feel free to look at work undertaken and published by any or all of. Lois Zoppi Soil association (if you want UK based research) Erik Millstone Tim Lang Etc. I could go on and give a million names, or you could find your own. But I think it's pointless as you clearly want to be willfully ignorant and just argue for the sake of it. Be nice if you could give me some remainer names erik and tim both remainers and dont actually come up with any scientific evidence probably because erik has a degree in physics and 3 in philosophy, no wonder scientists around the world dont listen to him.As for lois zoppi she has a degree in media studies ffs you are really pulling thes experts out the bag.
Science has nothing to do with leave or remain.
You appear to be completely blinded to any real life information.
Literally pointless continuing any form of interaction.Yes it is when you really cant come up with any scientific evidence and as i have said before if there was the people in countries that use hormones would be up in arms and not eating it.
They are up in arms.
Never seen anyone so determined to stay willfully ignorant on a topic before. It's truly weird.
For real. Just do some basic level research.
Fast food nation by Eric Schlosser. Is not just about fast food. It's a good place to start if you do want to find out about the meat industry in the US.So you are trying to move it to a conversation about the usa how about australia,canada and new zealand just to name a few are all their governments poising them too and all their medical scientists going along with it.You seem to have been so indoctrinated with eu political propaganda you are blind to what is real.
Why do you only associate people who don't want to eat hormone pumped meat with the EU. It's just utterly bizarre. The science is extremely well documented, and is apolitical.
You asked me about other countries. I have given you some suggested reading, as requested.
If you want to continue to argue that science isn't real, then where do we go. You not understanding how scientific method works, is not evidence that you can use in an argument.You keep on about the science being well documented but never give me a link,as for ONLY associating it with the eu where have i said that?
Its obvious the governments of the countries that still allow it have not read this well documented science either otherwise the practice would be banned immediately.
Right so this science is not evidence you can use in an argument why is that? it is either detrimental to your health as you keep stating or its not as many governments believe now dont take it the wrong way but i would rather believe them over some random guy on a swingers site.
Not allowed to post links in the forum. Why not do your own research?
You keep mentioning the EU.
I'm suggesting that governments care more about being re-elected than they do about the health of their citizens.
Just to be clear, you're the one claiming something other than the known science. You're acting the same way as if I demanded proof from you that aliens didn't build the pyramids, the burden of evidence lies on the person making the outlandish claim."The outlandish claim is that it detrimental to peoples health when 100,s of millions of people are still allowed to eat it by governments around the world. As for posting links its within the rules if its from a credible source so i must assume where you are getting your information from is not. | |||
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"Will you be forced to buy it? If not buy the usual beef you normally buy if you eat beef! The well off will be fine. But as market forces come into play, eventually the good stuff will be out of reach to most. Good steak is already £30 a pop! You don't have aldi or lidl in the UK. Generally we buy our meat from the local butcher and have to say I've never seen fillet steak much more than 10euro a steak. Like wise a decent size housekeepers cut for a roast is 12 to 15euro. Plus many rural butchers in Ireland either farm and kill their own beef. Ireland is in the EU, so what goes on there and the subject of this thread are not really related. And yea there are Aldi in UK. Where ever you live you will always have the choice to buy or not to buy when browsing the Isles in your local supermarket. Pretty sure British beef will be well advertised at the butcher counter and reasonably priced unless your in the habit of eating waguwagu fillet steaks you may well be right but again if it was to happen - i would take a simpler view and ask simply is having hormone treated beef on the supermarket shelf a good thing (a brexit bonus!) or (as i stand there checking the labels) a reflection of life being just being a little bit more shit in post Brexit britain. obviously we may both have different answers to this and maybe the person who doesn’t have a discounter near them and who chooses their meat based primarily on cost so they can afford to feed their kids properly may have a different view too…The thing is is it bad for peoples health? livestock producers must demonstrate that hormone levels that remain in the animal tissues are below levels deemed appropriate and safe via testing. A safe level is an amount of hormone that remains in edible tissues that have been proven to have no harmful effects on humans. The main reason the eu banned it was political like a lot of their rules. The boost in growth rate created by hormone implants allows for cattle to be finished earlier thereby requiring less time on feed and fewer resources per pound of meat produced. A common myth surrounding beef produced with additional hormones is that it is unsafe to consume. This is heading into conspiracy theory territory now. Do you think if it was unsafe that countries who are still producing it would? Have you looked into it and found any credible expert who says it’s unsafe for human consumption or are you just basing your assumption because the eu says so? Personally I’m not for it but have never had a problem when in the USA or Australia eating it. You should read up about it. US food safety standards are pretty much non existent. Hormones cause all kinds of health problems. The meat production industry donated millions and millions to both main parties there. So absolutely the government, whichever of their parties is in power, let's it happen. I have read up on it thats why im asking you to point me to where credible experts are saying its detrimental to peoples health. Do they also do that in Australia, Canada and New Zealand are their political parties sponsored by the meat industry? I love the way people are taken in by EU propaganda for protectionist reasons they only have to see hormones = bad chlorine = bad yet drink that every day willingly in their water.Dont you think the people of these countries have a voice? if it was detrimental to their health there would be mass demonstrations the press would be running with it every day people would be boycotting it but funny enough i dont see any of that happening around the world why is that do you think? Why are you blaming your lack of understanding on other people following the EU. Bizarre. If you even spent a little time looking into it. You would find multiple studies on the effects of consuming hormone treated meat. So it's clear you've done absolutely none. Feel free to look at work undertaken and published by any or all of. Lois Zoppi Soil association (if you want UK based research) Erik Millstone Tim Lang Etc. I could go on and give a million names, or you could find your own. But I think it's pointless as you clearly want to be willfully ignorant and just argue for the sake of it. Be nice if you could give me some remainer names erik and tim both remainers and dont actually come up with any scientific evidence probably because erik has a degree in physics and 3 in philosophy, no wonder scientists around the world dont listen to him.As for lois zoppi she has a degree in media studies ffs you are really pulling thes experts out the bag.
Science has nothing to do with leave or remain.
You appear to be completely blinded to any real life information.
Literally pointless continuing any form of interaction.Yes it is when you really cant come up with any scientific evidence and as i have said before if there was the people in countries that use hormones would be up in arms and not eating it.
They are up in arms.
Never seen anyone so determined to stay willfully ignorant on a topic before. It's truly weird.
For real. Just do some basic level research.
Fast food nation by Eric Schlosser. Is not just about fast food. It's a good place to start if you do want to find out about the meat industry in the US.So you are trying to move it to a conversation about the usa how about australia,canada and new zealand just to name a few are all their governments poising them too and all their medical scientists going along with it.You seem to have been so indoctrinated with eu political propaganda you are blind to what is real.
Why do you only associate people who don't want to eat hormone pumped meat with the EU. It's just utterly bizarre. The science is extremely well documented, and is apolitical.
You asked me about other countries. I have given you some suggested reading, as requested.
If you want to continue to argue that science isn't real, then where do we go. You not understanding how scientific method works, is not evidence that you can use in an argument.You keep on about the science being well documented but never give me a link,as for ONLY associating it with the eu where have i said that?
Its obvious the governments of the countries that still allow it have not read this well documented science either otherwise the practice would be banned immediately.
Right so this science is not evidence you can use in an argument why is that? it is either detrimental to your health as you keep stating or its not as many governments believe now dont take it the wrong way but i would rather believe them over some random guy on a swingers site.
Not allowed to post links in the forum. Why not do your own research?
You keep mentioning the EU.
I'm suggesting that governments care more about being re-elected than they do about the health of their citizens.
Just to be clear, you're the one claiming something other than the known science. You're acting the same way as if I demanded proof from you that aliens didn't build the pyramids, the burden of evidence lies on the person making the outlandish claim.The outlandish claim is that it detrimental to peoples health when 100,s of millions of people are still allowed to eat it by governments around the world.
As for posting links its within the rules if its from a credible source so i must assume where you are getting your information from is not. "Okay. It just seems mad to me that you choose to believe that science isn't real, just because it doesn't fit your political belief about the EU. Still. That's why we ended up with brexit. | |||
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"Will you be forced to buy it? If not buy the usual beef you normally buy if you eat beef! The well off will be fine. But as market forces come into play, eventually the good stuff will be out of reach to most. Good steak is already £30 a pop! You don't have aldi or lidl in the UK. Generally we buy our meat from the local butcher and have to say I've never seen fillet steak much more than 10euro a steak. Like wise a decent size housekeepers cut for a roast is 12 to 15euro. Plus many rural butchers in Ireland either farm and kill their own beef. Ireland is in the EU, so what goes on there and the subject of this thread are not really related. And yea there are Aldi in UK. Where ever you live you will always have the choice to buy or not to buy when browsing the Isles in your local supermarket. Pretty sure British beef will be well advertised at the butcher counter and reasonably priced unless your in the habit of eating waguwagu fillet steaks you may well be right but again if it was to happen - i would take a simpler view and ask simply is having hormone treated beef on the supermarket shelf a good thing (a brexit bonus!) or (as i stand there checking the labels) a reflection of life being just being a little bit more shit in post Brexit britain. obviously we may both have different answers to this and maybe the person who doesn’t have a discounter near them and who chooses their meat based primarily on cost so they can afford to feed their kids properly may have a different view too…The thing is is it bad for peoples health? livestock producers must demonstrate that hormone levels that remain in the animal tissues are below levels deemed appropriate and safe via testing. A safe level is an amount of hormone that remains in edible tissues that have been proven to have no harmful effects on humans. The main reason the eu banned it was political like a lot of their rules. The boost in growth rate created by hormone implants allows for cattle to be finished earlier thereby requiring less time on feed and fewer resources per pound of meat produced. A common myth surrounding beef produced with additional hormones is that it is unsafe to consume. This is heading into conspiracy theory territory now. Do you think if it was unsafe that countries who are still producing it would? Have you looked into it and found any credible expert who says it’s unsafe for human consumption or are you just basing your assumption because the eu says so? Personally I’m not for it but have never had a problem when in the USA or Australia eating it. You should read up about it. US food safety standards are pretty much non existent. Hormones cause all kinds of health problems. The meat production industry donated millions and millions to both main parties there. So absolutely the government, whichever of their parties is in power, let's it happen. I have read up on it thats why im asking you to point me to where credible experts are saying its detrimental to peoples health. Do they also do that in Australia, Canada and New Zealand are their political parties sponsored by the meat industry? I love the way people are taken in by EU propaganda for protectionist reasons they only have to see hormones = bad chlorine = bad yet drink that every day willingly in their water.Dont you think the people of these countries have a voice? if it was detrimental to their health there would be mass demonstrations the press would be running with it every day people would be boycotting it but funny enough i dont see any of that happening around the world why is that do you think? Why are you blaming your lack of understanding on other people following the EU. Bizarre. If you even spent a little time looking into it. You would find multiple studies on the effects of consuming hormone treated meat. So it's clear you've done absolutely none. Feel free to look at work undertaken and published by any or all of. Lois Zoppi Soil association (if you want UK based research) Erik Millstone Tim Lang Etc. I could go on and give a million names, or you could find your own. But I think it's pointless as you clearly want to be willfully ignorant and just argue for the sake of it. Be nice if you could give me some remainer names erik and tim both remainers and dont actually come up with any scientific evidence probably because erik has a degree in physics and 3 in philosophy, no wonder scientists around the world dont listen to him.As for lois zoppi she has a degree in media studies ffs you are really pulling thes experts out the bag.
Science has nothing to do with leave or remain.
You appear to be completely blinded to any real life information.
Literally pointless continuing any form of interaction.Yes it is when you really cant come up with any scientific evidence and as i have said before if there was the people in countries that use hormones would be up in arms and not eating it.
They are up in arms.
Never seen anyone so determined to stay willfully ignorant on a topic before. It's truly weird.
For real. Just do some basic level research.
Fast food nation by Eric Schlosser. Is not just about fast food. It's a good place to start if you do want to find out about the meat industry in the US.So you are trying to move it to a conversation about the usa how about australia,canada and new zealand just to name a few are all their governments poising them too and all their medical scientists going along with it.You seem to have been so indoctrinated with eu political propaganda you are blind to what is real.
Why do you only associate people who don't want to eat hormone pumped meat with the EU. It's just utterly bizarre. The science is extremely well documented, and is apolitical.
You asked me about other countries. I have given you some suggested reading, as requested.
If you want to continue to argue that science isn't real, then where do we go. You not understanding how scientific method works, is not evidence that you can use in an argument.You keep on about the science being well documented but never give me a link,as for ONLY associating it with the eu where have i said that?
Its obvious the governments of the countries that still allow it have not read this well documented science either otherwise the practice would be banned immediately.
Right so this science is not evidence you can use in an argument why is that? it is either detrimental to your health as you keep stating or its not as many governments believe now dont take it the wrong way but i would rather believe them over some random guy on a swingers site.
Not allowed to post links in the forum. Why not do your own research?
You keep mentioning the EU.
I'm suggesting that governments care more about being re-elected than they do about the health of their citizens.
Just to be clear, you're the one claiming something other than the known science. You're acting the same way as if I demanded proof from you that aliens didn't build the pyramids, the burden of evidence lies on the person making the outlandish claim.The outlandish claim is that it detrimental to peoples health when 100,s of millions of people are still allowed to eat it by governments around the world.
As for posting links its within the rules if its from a credible source so i must assume where you are getting your information from is not.
Okay.
It just seems mad to me that you choose to believe that science isn't real, just because it doesn't fit your political belief about the EU. Still. That's why we ended up with brexit.
"what science ?you have yet to come up with any probably because there doesnt seem to be any otherwise it would be banned by governments worldwide. | |||
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