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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Anyone else think this is hysterical crap stirred up by the West?

Russia has lots of troops near the border and laughing at the hysterical arming and endless big talk threats by the US UK and just bout every other country, flooding an unstable country with weapons

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By *mateur100Man
over a year ago

nr faversham

"Anyone else think this is hysterical crap stirred up by the West?

Russia has lots of troops near the border and laughing at the hysterical arming and endless big talk threats by the US UK and just bout every other country, flooding an unstable country with weapons"

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By *uddy laneMan
over a year ago

dudley

"Anyone else think this is hysterical crap stirred up by the West?

Russia has lots of troops near the border and laughing at the hysterical arming and endless big talk threats by the US UK and just bout every other country, flooding an unstable country with weapons"

How else can they launder without the bombs going up in smoke.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

Nope

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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago

Longridge

"Anyone else think this is hysterical crap stirred up by the West?

Russia has lots of troops near the border and laughing at the hysterical arming and endless big talk threats by the US UK and just bout every other country, flooding an unstable country with weapons"

Thing is, in the 60's, Nukes started arriving in Cuba, the US freaked big time.

They froze out Cuba since almost took a pre-emtive strike, deepened the Cold War. Now, if Ukraine did join NATO, is Russia behaving any different to America did back then?

They don't want NATO at the back door and really do see their point. Russia's answer would be to invade, remove the government and change it for another sympathetic to them.

Russia won't back down.

Is Europe still going to pay to keep Chernobyl secure afterwards after they take the country back.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"Anyone else think this is hysterical crap stirred up by the West?

Russia has lots of troops near the border and laughing at the hysterical arming and endless big talk threats by the US UK and just bout every other country, flooding an unstable country with weapons

Thing is, in the 60's, Nukes started arriving in Cuba, the US freaked big time.

They froze out Cuba since almost took a pre-emtive strike, deepened the Cold War. Now, if Ukraine did join NATO, is Russia behaving any different to America did back then?

They don't want NATO at the back door and really do see their point. Russia's answer would be to invade, remove the government and change it for another sympathetic to them.

Russia won't back down.

Is Europe still going to pay to keep Chernobyl secure afterwards after they take the country back.

Should the USA and Europe back down?

Would that be a better outcome for us?

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"Anyone else think this is hysterical crap stirred up by the West?

Russia has lots of troops near the border and laughing at the hysterical arming and endless big talk threats by the US UK and just bout every other country, flooding an unstable country with weapons"

No. Putin wants to expand his sphere of influence.

Another country on his border choosing another path and becoming more prosperous wouldn't be good for him, especially as Ukraine has historically been very close to Russia.

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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago

Longridge

"Anyone else think this is hysterical crap stirred up by the West?

Russia has lots of troops near the border and laughing at the hysterical arming and endless big talk threats by the US UK and just bout every other country, flooding an unstable country with weapons

Thing is, in the 60's, Nukes started arriving in Cuba, the US freaked big time.

They froze out Cuba since almost took a pre-emtive strike, deepened the Cold War. Now, if Ukraine did join NATO, is Russia behaving any different to America did back then?

They don't want NATO at the back door and really do see their point. Russia's answer would be to invade, remove the government and change it for another sympathetic to them.

Russia won't back down.

Is Europe still going to pay to keep Chernobyl secure afterwards after they take the country back.

Should the USA and Europe back down?

Would that be a better outcome for us?"

Over putting NATO on their back door, yes. The outcome is inevitable whether you like it or not.

Did Putin pull out of Crimea, Syria and other proxies? No. The West is not what it used to be, Trump saw to that, Global Britain is a joke an the EU is weak.

There is nearly as many Russian troops on the border of Ukraine than the whole UK's whole armed forces combined and plenty more behind them.

Trident? Only if the US let's us pick up the rest of the missles kept in storage in California. Our own Independent Nuclear Defence or "rent-a-nuke" Thatcher signed us into is not even fully available if needed.

Conscription?

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Anyone else think this is hysterical crap stirred up by the West?

Russia has lots of troops near the border and laughing at the hysterical arming and endless big talk threats by the US UK and just bout every other country, flooding an unstable country with weapons"

I think there may be people in Crimea who would disagree with that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anyone else think this is hysterical crap stirred up by the West?

Russia has lots of troops near the border and laughing at the hysterical arming and endless big talk threats by the US UK and just bout every other country, flooding an unstable country with weapons"

The President of the Ukraine agrees with the first part of your post

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Think this matter is too complex, there are varying degrees of issues which brought us here. Like before, we need decent PM who will actually have the credibility we need to cut through the crap. The longer our current PM is “leading” the country the less serious we will be seen as, and the more our enemies will walk over us. Tell you what, this wouldn’t have happened under all the previous PM’s, I can tell you, it would have been the grand two finger salute to despots and dictators. I am certain many of us cannot trust the current PM with safety and security of this country, Hopefully the next PM will be a person who will be better.

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By *eanoCoolMan
over a year ago

wisbech

"Think this matter is too complex, there are varying degrees of issues which brought us here. Like before, we need decent PM who will actually have the credibility we need to cut through the crap. The longer our current PM is “leading” the country the less serious we will be seen as, and the more our enemies will walk over us. Tell you what, this wouldn’t have happened under all the previous PM’s, I can tell you, it would have been the grand two finger salute to despots and dictators. I am certain many of us cannot trust the current PM with safety and security of this country, Hopefully the next PM will be a person who will be better."

We had a different pm when Putin annexed Crimea, and he didn't take anymore notice of the UK or the rest of the international community then. You could have any pm you want because he feels no threat from the UK, or the US or the EU for that matter, so he isn't going to pay any heed to what these leaders say.

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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago

Longridge

When the Soviet Union disintegrated in 1991, its nuclear weapons were deployed or stored on the territory of four of the fifteen successor states: Belarus, Kazakhstan, Russia, and Ukraine. This raised important questions about safety and security as well as command and control. Moscow and Washington agreed that Russia should be the sole nuclear-armed successor of the Soviet Union.

Before 1994, Ukraine had nuclear weapons on their territory which could have been offered on the black market to the highest bigger. At the time, Bin Laden and his crew were shopping for Nukes and Dirty Bomb material with the profits from translation of Disney books to Arabic to deploy against the West.

Russia's track record with radioactive material isn't great and their extensive use of portable nuclear Generatorsffor workers to have power, led to the very first "dirty bomb" let off in Moscow with other material turning in strange places with dead people.

The United States recognized that it would have to offer security assurances to Belarus, Kazakhstan, and Ukraine to persuade them to transfer the Soviet-made nuclear weapons on their soil to Russia and join the NPT as non-nuclear-weapon states.

So, in order to convince Ukraine to give them up and pass them back to Russia, the UK, USA and Russia signed a guarantee that they protect Ukraine from 3rd party incursion.

Big headache being that after making such promises is that Russia, one of the signatories themselves and is now threatening Ukrain with invasion.

At the time, commentators were saying that making such promises were dangerous and many foresaw Russia being the aggressor in the future and would need to be faced off.

And, here we are..

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr

"Anyone else think this is hysterical crap stirred up by the West?

Russia has lots of troops near the border and laughing at the hysterical arming and endless big talk threats by the US UK and just bout every other country, flooding an unstable country with weapons

The President of the Ukraine agrees with the first part of your post "

Indeed he does. The Tories are desperate for it to kick off; there's money to be made and deflection to be had.

Best of all, for them, is that the worst that will happen in this country is that their poorer supporters will see their energy bills increase to an even less manageable level.

No doubt, if Russia doesn't actually invade any more of Ukraine than it already has; Boris will claim that he and Liz Truss frightened Putin into doing the right thing.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

"Anyone else think this is hysterical crap stirred up by the West?

Russia has lots of troops near the border and laughing at the hysterical arming and endless big talk threats by the US UK and just bout every other country, flooding an unstable country with weapons"
i imagine putin is laughing his bollox off all he has to do is put troops on the border of his own country and the uk and the u.s lose there shit,i would rather listen to what the ukrainian leader was saying that people need to calm down nothing is any different than it has been for the last few years,still i suppose dimlo johnson and sleepy joe need to distract from there own problems at home

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Anyone else think this is hysterical crap stirred up by the West?

Russia has lots of troops near the border and laughing at the hysterical arming and endless big talk threats by the US UK and just bout every other country, flooding an unstable country with weaponsi imagine putin is laughing his bollox off all he has to do is put troops on the border of his own country and the uk and the u.s lose there shit,i would rather listen to what the ukrainian leader was saying that people need to calm down nothing is any different than it has been for the last few years,still i suppose dimlo johnson and sleepy joe need to distract from there own problems at home"

Ukraine doesn't have a multi billion dollar arms industry. So they have no need to attempt to escalate the situation.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Anyone else think this is hysterical crap stirred up by the West?

Russia has lots of troops near the border and laughing at the hysterical arming and endless big talk threats by the US UK and just bout every other country, flooding an unstable country with weapons

Thing is, in the 60's, Nukes started arriving in Cuba, the US freaked big time.

They froze out Cuba since almost took a pre-emtive strike, deepened the Cold War. Now, if Ukraine did join NATO, is Russia behaving any different to America did back then?

They don't want NATO at the back door and really do see their point. Russia's answer would be to invade, remove the government and change it for another sympathetic to them.

Russia won't back down.

Is Europe still going to pay to keep Chernobyl secure afterwards after they take the country back.

Should the USA and Europe back down?

Would that be a better outcome for us?"

Yes

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Anyone else think this is hysterical crap stirred up by the West?

Russia has lots of troops near the border and laughing at the hysterical arming and endless big talk threats by the US UK and just bout every other country, flooding an unstable country with weapons

No. Putin wants to expand his sphere of influence.

Another country on his border choosing another path and becoming more prosperous wouldn't be good for him, especially as Ukraine has historically been very close to Russia."

What?!

America has done a hell of a lot more than Russia in expanding influence!

I'm afraid your on double standards here.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Plus.. If Ukraine wasn't next door to Russia, America wouldn't be interested in influencing its future, Ukraine is a pawn in America's game

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"Anyone else think this is hysterical crap stirred up by the West?

Russia has lots of troops near the border and laughing at the hysterical arming and endless big talk threats by the US UK and just bout every other country, flooding an unstable country with weapons

Thing is, in the 60's, Nukes started arriving in Cuba, the US freaked big time.

They froze out Cuba since almost took a pre-emtive strike, deepened the Cold War. Now, if Ukraine did join NATO, is Russia behaving any different to America did back then?

They don't want NATO at the back door and really do see their point. Russia's answer would be to invade, remove the government and change it for another sympathetic to them.

Russia won't back down.

Is Europe still going to pay to keep Chernobyl secure afterwards after they take the country back.

Should the USA and Europe back down?

Would that be a better outcome for us?

Yes"

How would it be better for us?

So, Russia will not continue to exert its influence when it gets what it wants?

Why should Ukraine be dictated to by Russia anymore than by the USA?

Why should Russia be able to dictate to Ukraine who it can or cannot choose to ally with?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Anyone else think this is hysterical crap stirred up by the West?

Russia has lots of troops near the border and laughing at the hysterical arming and endless big talk threats by the US UK and just bout every other country, flooding an unstable country with weapons

Thing is, in the 60's, Nukes started arriving in Cuba, the US freaked big time.

They froze out Cuba since almost took a pre-emtive strike, deepened the Cold War. Now, if Ukraine did join NATO, is Russia behaving any different to America did back then?

They don't want NATO at the back door and really do see their point. Russia's answer would be to invade, remove the government and change it for another sympathetic to them.

Russia won't back down.

Is Europe still going to pay to keep Chernobyl secure afterwards after they take the country back.

Should the USA and Europe back down?

Would that be a better outcome for us?

Yes

How would it be better for us?

So, Russia will not continue to exert its influence when it gets what it wants?

Why should Ukraine be dictated to by Russia anymore than by the USA?

Why should Russia be able to dictate to Ukraine who it can or cannot choose to ally with?"

1 it will stop us bei g dragged into a war started by American insanity

2 it got crimea back which is historically Russian territory and didn't invade Ukraine when it could have done but didnt

3 why aren't you concerned about ukraine being used by America to just stir the shit?

The whole reason there's a chance of Russia invading is because it has no choice, being having its hand forced before Ukraine joins nato.

Big like the Cuban missile crisis in reverse

4. Rules to join nato are;

a country has to not be in a state of civil war {and it is}

It's joining nato cannot impede the security of a neighbouring county {it will}

Its all double standards; America didn't want Cuba to be allies with Russia and have Russian missiles, (and cuba is still being punished for being an ally to Russia) but its

OK for Ukraine to have nato bases and missiles in the Ukraine..

Yes I agree ikraine needs security from Russia but not this way! Its fucking insane to risk ww3 when there's an abundance of alternatives

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

And.. A solem promise by nato {America really) nato would not expand eastward and broke that promise, undermining any possible deals because nato can't be trusted

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have you noticed that all leaders of Russia, US and UK are particularly flagging in poll ratings?

Russia - Under so many years under Putin

US - Joe Biden because he cannot get his plans for domestic change through the senate.

UK - because Boris is just an incompetent PM?

Why do I have a sneaking suspicion that this situation is a "phoney" one.

Putin - Doesn't really want war, it will damage to the Russian Economy and the money for his Oligarchs

Biden - Doesn't really want war, it will damage the US economy and the money for his Tycoons,

Johnson - Doesn't really want war, because he is a coward, and he needs Russian Money to keep him and his chums afloat.

Do you notice? two of these are statesmanlike, one of them is just someone being selfish.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Have you noticed that all leaders of Russia, US and UK are particularly flagging in poll ratings?

Russia - Under so many years under Putin

US - Joe Biden because he cannot get his plans for domestic change through the senate.

UK - because Boris is just an incompetent PM?

Why do I have a sneaking suspicion that this situation is a "phoney" one.

Putin - Doesn't really want war, it will damage to the Russian Economy and the money for his Oligarchs

Biden - Doesn't really want war, it will damage the US economy and the money for his Tycoons,

Johnson - Doesn't really want war, because he is a coward, and he needs Russian Money to keep him and his chums afloat.

Do you notice? two of these are statesmanlike, one of them is just someone being selfish."

Lol, true

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"Anyone else think this is hysterical crap stirred up by the West?

Russia has lots of troops near the border and laughing at the hysterical arming and endless big talk threats by the US UK and just bout every other country, flooding an unstable country with weapons

Thing is, in the 60's, Nukes started arriving in Cuba, the US freaked big time.

They froze out Cuba since almost took a pre-emtive strike, deepened the Cold War. Now, if Ukraine did join NATO, is Russia behaving any different to America did back then?

They don't want NATO at the back door and really do see their point. Russia's answer would be to invade, remove the government and change it for another sympathetic to them.

Russia won't back down.

Is Europe still going to pay to keep Chernobyl secure afterwards after they take the country back.

Should the USA and Europe back down?

Would that be a better outcome for us?

Yes

How would it be better for us?

So, Russia will not continue to exert its influence when it gets what it wants?

Why should Ukraine be dictated to by Russia anymore than by the USA?

Why should Russia be able to dictate to Ukraine who it can or cannot choose to ally with?

1 it will stop us bei g dragged into a war started by American insanity

2 it got crimea back which is historically Russian territory and didn't invade Ukraine when it could have done but didnt

3 why aren't you concerned about ukraine being used by America to just stir the shit?

The whole reason there's a chance of Russia invading is because it has no choice, being having its hand forced before Ukraine joins nato.

Big like the Cuban missile crisis in reverse

4. Rules to join nato are;

a country has to not be in a state of civil war {and it is}

It's joining nato cannot impede the security of a neighbouring county {it will}

Its all double standards; America didn't want Cuba to be allies with Russia and have Russian missiles, (and cuba is still being punished for being an ally to Russia) but its

OK for Ukraine to have nato bases and missiles in the Ukraine..

Yes I agree ikraine needs security from Russia but not this way! Its fucking insane to risk ww3 when there's an abundance of alternatives

1. Why is this "American insanity" and not "Russian insanity"? Why is alright for Russia to bully another country but not America?

2. Crimea is historically Turkish too. It was transferred from region to region on the Russian Empire and the USSR including the Crimean People's Republic and the Ukrainian People's Republic. There is not a point to make.

3. Why is Russia "forced" to do anything? Did it threaten to invade Estonia or Poland? Is it now? Why should Ukraine not join or leave any group that it wants to? Why should America or Russia dictate their choices to them? Russia wouldn't be threatening Ukraine all of they hadn't surrendered their nuclear weapons, right?

5. Ukraine is not joining NATO is it? If the conditions are met, why should it not if Ukraine chooses to? Why should they be denied because somebody outside NATO or Ukraine says they shouldn't?

Why should they tolerate Russian interference of they don't want it?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

1. America is doing the bullying. All Russia has done is guard against an unstable country bu positioning troops.

Even the Ukraine intelligence says America is stirring up trouble with words like imminent and "will invade"

America even bullies allies with sanction threats including Germany.

2. Crimeans consider themselves Russian, a point ignore by a country that globally meddles thousands of miles away

3. Why is Russia "forced" to do anything? Did it threaten to invade Estonia or Poland?no!

Is it now?

Why should Ukraine not join or leave any group that it wants to?

They could if conditions were met, but would mean nato (America really) can't be trusted to stick to agreements

Why should America or Russia dictate their choices to them?

I agree

Russia wouldn't be threatening Ukraine all of they hadn't surrendered their nuclear weapons, right?

Wrong! Russia could have invaded 4 years ago if they wanted to.

5. Ukraine is not joining NATO is it?

America says it will be, despite not qualifying

If the conditions are met, why should it not if Ukraine chooses to?

Broken American promise/deal. But could do, just means nato can't be trusted with future deals, but could do if America overlooks the civil war, its impeding the security of another country, and having some dodgy nazi malitia elements.

Why should they tolerate Russian interference if they don't want it?

They don't, just don't let the stupid Americans use them just to have a go at Russia. America wouldn't be involved if Ukraine didn't border russia. They've already fucked over plenty countries since 911, its about time they stopped

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Incidentally, America would love it if Russia invaded Ukraine, it won't though because they're way too intelligent and clever to fall for idiotic American imbicilic, infantile, tripe like they've peddled so far

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Incidentally, America would love it if Russia invaded Ukraine, it won't though because they're way too intelligent and clever to fall for idiotic American imbicilic, infantile, tripe like they've peddled so far"
Why on earth would America love Russia to invade the Ukraine?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Incidentally, America would love it if Russia invaded Ukraine, it won't though because they're way too intelligent and clever to fall for idiotic American imbicilic, infantile, tripe like they've peddled so farWhy on earth would America love Russia to invade the Ukraine?"

Americans have a pathological vendetta against Russia, Cuba and Iran, and will go after them at all costs to the expense of everyone else and world peace . Venesuala isn't there yet but on the way

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Incidentally, America would love it if Russia invaded Ukraine, it won't though because they're way too intelligent and clever to fall for idiotic American imbicilic, infantile, tripe like they've peddled so farWhy on earth would America love Russia to invade the Ukraine?"

They want to "saddle up" and kick ass and damn the consequences... Yeee haaasr!

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Incidentally, America would love it if Russia invaded Ukraine, it won't though because they're way too intelligent and clever to fall for idiotic American imbicilic, infantile, tripe like they've peddled so farWhy on earth would America love Russia to invade the Ukraine?

Americans have a pathological vendetta against Russia, Cuba and Iran, and will go after them at all costs to the expense of everyone else and world peace . Venesuala isn't there yet but on the way

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i would think the average American doesnt give a flying fuck about russians just as the average Russian doesnt about Americans.

The only country that would benefit from an invasion of the Ukraine is china.If America got involved it would open up the way for them to take control of Taiwan as the yanks couldn't possibly fight both of them at the same time and if they didnt get involved they could gauge what the fallout would be if they took Taiwan.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Incidentally, America would love it if Russia invaded Ukraine, it won't though because they're way too intelligent and clever to fall for idiotic American imbicilic, infantile, tripe like they've peddled so farWhy on earth would America love Russia to invade the Ukraine?

Americans have a pathological vendetta against Russia, Cuba and Iran, and will go after them at all costs to the expense of everyone else and world peace . Venesuala isn't there yet but on the way

i would think the average American doesnt give a flying fuck about russians just as the average Russian doesnt about Americans.

Yep, this is why they're trying to get Australia involved, not sure if it'll work though, even if Australia get nuclear powered submarines from America and the UK.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Incidentally, America would love it if Russia invaded Ukraine, it won't though because they're way too intelligent and clever to fall for idiotic American imbicilic, infantile, tripe like they've peddled so farWhy on earth would America love Russia to invade the Ukraine?

Americans have a pathological vendetta against Russia, Cuba and Iran, and will go after them at all costs to the expense of everyone else and world peace . Venesuala isn't there yet but on the way

i would think the average American doesnt give a flying fuck about russians just as the average Russian doesnt about Americans.

Yep, this is why they're trying to get Australia involved, not sure if it'll work though, even if Australia get nuclear powered submarines from America and the UK.

i doubt Australia can build nuclear subs in the next month.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

BTW your right about America not gettig directly involved fighting Russia, they'd let the Ukrainians do the dying then its an excuse to hit sanctions onto Russia and cut off the international finance system, I forget the name of it

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Incidentally, America would love it if Russia invaded Ukraine, it won't though because they're way too intelligent and clever to fall for idiotic American imbicilic, infantile, tripe like they've peddled so farWhy on earth would America love Russia to invade the Ukraine?

Americans have a pathological vendetta against Russia, Cuba and Iran, and will go after them at all costs to the expense of everyone else and world peace . Venesuala isn't there yet but on the way

i would think the average American doesnt give a flying fuck about russians just as the average Russian doesnt about Americans.

Yep, this is why they're trying to get Australia involved, not sure if it'll work though, even if Australia get nuclear powered submarines from America and the UK.

i doubt Australia can build nuclear subs in the next month."

Nope lol, might get some 2nd hand low milage ones from somewhere

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"1. America is doing the bullying. All Russia has done is guard against an unstable country bu positioning troops.

Even the Ukraine intelligence says America is stirring up trouble with words like imminent and "will invade"

America even bullies allies with sanction threats including Germany.

2. Crimeans consider themselves Russian, a point ignore by a country that globally meddles thousands of miles away

3. Why is Russia "forced" to do anything? Did it threaten to invade Estonia or Poland?no!

Is it now?

Why should Ukraine not join or leave any group that it wants to?

They could if conditions were met, but would mean nato (America really) can't be trusted to stick to agreements

Why should America or Russia dictate their choices to them?

I agree

Russia wouldn't be threatening Ukraine all of they hadn't surrendered their nuclear weapons, right?

Wrong! Russia could have invaded 4 years ago if they wanted to.

5. Ukraine is not joining NATO is it?

America says it will be, despite not qualifying

If the conditions are met, why should it not if Ukraine chooses to?

Why should they tolerate Russian interference if they don't want it?

1. Russia made Ukraine "unstable". There is zero threat of Ukraine attacking Russia. It is not capable of being so. Not even Russia is claiming that is the case, so why are you?

2. The remaining Crimeans may well be Russian. Just like the Uighurs or the Tibetans are far more Chinese than they were a few years ago.

3. Again, Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons. Crimea would not have been taken if they had not. Ukraine is too large to invade and hold of the population will resist. It can be destabilised though, and that is the clear intent. Poland and Lithuania and Estonia and Latvia are in...er...NATO so are not going to have their territory nibbled away at despite many Russians having been seeded there.

5. Nobody has said that Ukraine will join NATO. The discussion is purely over Russia not being able to decide who can join. Why should they?

I am not defending the USA in any of its past, present or future actions. It will behave selfishly. As do we. As does Russia. It just so happens that our interests align with what should be the right thing to do; defending a weaker party against an agressor.

Can Russia be trusted to do anything other than intervene militarily against any countries on its borders to enforce their will

Nazi sympathy is an oft raised claim about Ukraine, but the President is from a Jewish family and the USA (well known opponents of Israel?) also didn't sign the UN resolution that this seems to arise from, so you may be able to explain that further. Is the homophobia and political and journalistic repression of Russia better?

However, you seem willing to forgive Russian behaviour under any and all circumstances and not criticise it for doing precisely the same things that you condemn the USA for.

Was Russia bombing hospitals in Syria OK whilst US drone strikes on weddings in Afghanistan or were they both wrong?

I do not know why such inconsistency. Perhaps you can explain further?

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"Incidentally, America would love it if Russia invaded Ukraine, it won't though because they're way too intelligent and clever to fall for idiotic American imbicilic, infantile, tripe like they've peddled so farWhy on earth would America love Russia to invade the Ukraine?

Americans have a pathological vendetta against Russia, Cuba and Iran, and will go after them at all costs to the expense of everyone else and world peace . Venesuala isn't there yet but on the way

i would think the average American doesnt give a flying fuck about russians just as the average Russian doesnt about Americans.

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I think they could easily fight them both at the same time tbf

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