FabSwingers.com forum: Kyiv or Kiev?

By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

Strange that for many years the capital of Ukraine was also referred to as the Russian version "Kiev", now the press want to use the original name "Kyiv" as to not further Russian claims on it.

A number of global heavyweights have recently adopted the Ukrainian-language derived “Kyiv” as their official spelling for the country’s capital city, replacing the Russian-rooted “Kiev.” This trend began with the Associated Press in late August.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Does that mean I can't have Chicken Kiev for my tea tonight?

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

Not anymore..

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

Don't worry too much, I've heard they'll be changing it back in around 3 weeks!!

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

I wouldn't read too much into it.

Regions and cities (even countries) all over Europe have different spellings/pronunciations in different languages.

München or Munich? Bayern or Bavaria? Köln or Cologne? Praha or Prague? España or Spain?

Even within a single country you can get different ones. Alicante or Alacant? Majorca or Mallorca?

The list could go on forever.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Some of it goes back to standardising other languages with the Roman alphabet that the Western world generally uses.

I remember Ceylon, Calcutta, Bombay, Peking and many others.

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

"Some of it goes back to standardising other languages with the Roman alphabet that the Western world generally uses.

I remember Ceylon, Calcutta, Bombay, Peking and many others. "

Yes the Chinese are always trying to hide from view their resent history. You can never trust those Peking blinders.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Don't worry too much, I've heard they'll be changing it back in around 3 weeks!!"

That’s real funny. Unless half of your family will

be killed or injured in the process like mine will be.

And the name change started way before June, that’s just when those not familiar with the area or the people started to notice it.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Strange that for many years the capital of Ukraine was also referred to as the Russian version "Kiev", now the press want to use the original name "Kyiv" as to not further Russian claims on it.

Within reason I don’t have a problem spelling the name of a city by the name they prefer to call it… it’s not a new phenomenon

I mean… when was the last time we actually called the Chinese capital “peking”… or Indian cities Bombay (Mumbai) or Calcutta (kolkata)

Heck as a football fan we have not used Cologne (koln) in years!!!

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

"I wouldn't read too much into it.

Regions and cities (even countries) all over Europe have different spellings/pronunciations in different languages.

München or Munich? Bayern or Bavaria? Köln or Cologne? Praha or Prague? España or Spain?

Even within a single country you can get different ones. Alicante or Alacant? Majorca or Mallorca?

The list could go on forever."

They could have standardised the name back to preoccupation "Kyiv" back in 1991 when the USSR broke up.

Now that Putin is breathing down the necks of Ukraine, Western press want to distance themselves from the Russian version "Kiev".

It's a two fingers to Putin if nothing else.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't read too much into it.

Regions and cities (even countries) all over Europe have different spellings/pronunciations in different languages.

München or Munich? Bayern or Bavaria? Köln or Cologne? Praha or Prague? España or Spain?

Even within a single country you can get different ones. Alicante or Alacant? Majorca or Mallorca?

The list could go on forever.

They could have standardised the name back to preoccupation "Kyiv" back in 1991 when the USSR broke up.

Now that Putin is breathing down the necks of Ukraine, Western press want to distance themselves from the Russian version "Kiev".

It's a two fingers to Putin if nothing else."

Thank you for confirming you know absolutely nothing of the area, the people, or their plight.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"I wouldn't read too much into it.

Regions and cities (even countries) all over Europe have different spellings/pronunciations in different languages.

München or Munich? Bayern or Bavaria? Köln or Cologne? Praha or Prague? España or Spain?

Even within a single country you can get different ones. Alicante or Alacant? Majorca or Mallorca?

The list could go on forever.

They could have standardised the name back to preoccupation "Kyiv" back in 1991 when the USSR broke up.

Now that Putin is breathing down the necks of Ukraine, Western press want to distance themselves from the Russian version "Kiev".

It's a two fingers to Putin if nothing else."

Actually the football club dynamo have always used Kyiv… and it’s not Ukraines fault to what others countries do with that spelling

Maybe thats more to do with British arrogance… I mean… why did they feel the need to change it in the first place

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

"I wouldn't read too much into it.

Regions and cities (even countries) all over Europe have different spellings/pronunciations in different languages.

München or Munich? Bayern or Bavaria? Köln or Cologne? Praha or Prague? España or Spain?

Even within a single country you can get different ones. Alicante or Alacant? Majorca or Mallorca?

The list could go on forever.

They could have standardised the name back to preoccupation "Kyiv" back in 1991 when the USSR broke up.

Now that Putin is breathing down the necks of Ukraine, Western press want to distance themselves from the Russian version "Kiev".

It's a two fingers to Putin if nothing else.

Thank you for confirming you know absolutely nothing of the area, the people, or their plight. "

Really?

With close friends Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Poland and fully aware of the history of Russian occupation, pain and suffering.

When you understand the context of the comment, maybe then you can correctly make judgement as the rebranding is nothing to do with spelling or pronunciations.

Myanmar - Burma

Rhodesia - Zimbabwe

So, 30 years later, Kiev is recognised as its correct 'non occupation' name.

Kiev was the Russian version..

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"I wouldn't read too much into it.

Regions and cities (even countries) all over Europe have different spellings/pronunciations in different languages.

München or Munich? Bayern or Bavaria? Köln or Cologne? Praha or Prague? España or Spain?

Even within a single country you can get different ones. Alicante or Alacant? Majorca or Mallorca?

The list could go on forever."

These are not the same languages. Alacant is Catalán while Alicante is Castellano. Majorca is the Anglicised spelling of Mallorca. Mallorca is the Catalán (therefore correct) spelling.

My approach is to always spell or pronounce country and place names in the local language. Where two languages have dual status (such as in the Alicante region) then I go for the most commonly used in that locale.

I think Ukraine has currently got bigger things to concern itself with than how "the West" spells the name of its capital. We hope that it will not be renamed "new Moscow" (or similar) soon

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"I wouldn't read too much into it.

Regions and cities (even countries) all over Europe have different spellings/pronunciations in different languages.

München or Munich? Bayern or Bavaria? Köln or Cologne? Praha or Prague? España or Spain?

Even within a single country you can get different ones. Alicante or Alacant? Majorca or Mallorca?

The list could go on forever.

These are not the same languages. Alacant is Catalán while Alicante is Castellano. Majorca is the Anglicised spelling of Mallorca. Mallorca is the Catalán (therefore correct) spelling.

I think Ukraine has currently got bigger things to concern itself with than how "the West" spells the name of its capital. We hope that it will not be renamed "new Moscow" (or similar) soon

I didn't say that they were in the same language. I said "in the same country"

BTW Alacant is Valenciano. While many say it is no more than a Catalan/Castellano based dialect, it is actually recognised as a separate language in Spain. Hence all the doubled up road signs among other things.

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By *esusWeptMan
over a year ago

Rising Son, God's own County

"Strange that for many years the capital of Ukraine was also referred to as the Russian version "Kiev", now the press want to use the original name "Kyiv" as to not further Russian claims on it.

It is Kyiv and has been forever among Ukrainian language speakers. It is named after one of its early settlers, Kyi, as a guide informed me.

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

And should have been recognised as such as soon as USSR left in the 90's, not know when it suits.

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By *rotic-TouchTV/TS
over a year ago

doncaster

"Strange that for many years the capital of Ukraine was also referred to as the Russian version "Kiev", now the press want to use the original name "Kyiv" as to not further Russian claims on it.

Within reason I don’t have a problem spelling the name of a city by the name they prefer to call it… it’s not a new phenomenon

I mean… when was the last time we actually called the Chinese capital “peking”… or Indian cities Bombay (Mumbai) or Calcutta (kolkata)

Heck as a football fan we have not used Cologne (koln) in years!!!"
don't forget Chennai for Madras

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By *ohn.1960Man
over a year ago

Southampton

Been there nice place

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

SHOCKING!!

Boris managed to get to Kyiv, thought he was going to fly around the globe looking for Kiev a few times in his sooped up in-flight refuelling tanker with the £900k paint-job on it.

Wonder if they stank of JET 1A when they got off.

Global Britain at its best.. what a sight, running down the stairs in shirt and tie at -4C, did you catch his nips in the chill? Brrr

Google is confused, flights to Kiev are higher in search rankings than Kyiv. Web optimisers nightmare. Two words, same meaning, lower page ranking.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

London is derived from the invading Romans londinium which infuriates me., it should be called Budica!

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