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"How does the EU square this off with the ECHR? " How does trying not to let people die sound? | |||
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"How does the EU square this off with the ECHR? How does trying not to let people die sound?" it sounds perfectly reasonable to me but as soon as someone says no, how will the EU proceed? | |||
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"How does the EU square this off with the ECHR? How does trying not to let people die sound? it sounds perfectly reasonable to me but as soon as someone says no, how will the EU proceed? " Firstly the EU has no mandate for health care, so I doubt if it originated with them, you might want to site the source. Perhaps the EU is asking member states to think about it, something along the lines of "European Commission president says EU states need to discuss idea in response to spread of Omicron variant" | |||
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"How does the EU square this off with the ECHR? How does trying not to let people die sound? it sounds perfectly reasonable to me but as soon as someone says no, how will the EU proceed? Firstly the EU has no mandate for health care, so I doubt if it originated with them, you might want to site the source. Perhaps the EU is asking member states to think about it, something along the lines of "European Commission president says EU states need to discuss idea in response to spread of Omicron variant"" That's exactly what I am referring to. The OP has a question mark at the end and the issue remains the same and unanswered | |||
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"How does the EU square this off with the ECHR? How does trying not to let people die sound? it sounds perfectly reasonable to me but as soon as someone says no, how will the EU proceed? Firstly the EU has no mandate for health care, so I doubt if it originated with them, you might want to site the source. Perhaps the EU is asking member states to think about it, something along the lines of "European Commission president says EU states need to discuss idea in response to spread of Omicron variant" That's exactly what I am referring to. The OP has a question mark at the end and the issue remains the same and unanswered" Sorry, your post seemed to be alluding to the EU mandating vaccination. It isn't. Glad you cleared that up  | |||
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"How does the EU square this off with the ECHR? How does trying not to let people die sound? it sounds perfectly reasonable to me but as soon as someone says no, how will the EU proceed? Firstly the EU has no mandate for health care, so I doubt if it originated with them, you might want to site the source. Perhaps the EU is asking member states to think about it, something along the lines of "European Commission president says EU states need to discuss idea in response to spread of Omicron variant" That's exactly what I am referring to. The OP has a question mark at the end and the issue remains the same and unanswered Sorry, your post seemed to be alluding to the EU mandating vaccination. It isn't. Glad you cleared that up "the nazi party started in the eu... that is all i am saying  | |||
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"How does the EU square this off with the ECHR? How does trying not to let people die sound? it sounds perfectly reasonable to me but as soon as someone says no, how will the EU proceed? Firstly the EU has no mandate for health care, so I doubt if it originated with them, you might want to site the source. Perhaps the EU is asking member states to think about it, something along the lines of "European Commission president says EU states need to discuss idea in response to spread of Omicron variant" That's exactly what I am referring to. The OP has a question mark at the end and the issue remains the same and unanswered Sorry, your post seemed to be alluding to the EU mandating vaccination. It isn't. Glad you cleared that up
the nazi party started in the eu... that is all i am saying "Godwins law | |||
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"It's time for EU member states to consider making Covid vaccinations mandatory, says the European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen says: "This needs a common approach, but it is a discussion that I think has to be led" Seems she wants to lead it, i cant see all eu countries agreeing to that one." And your problem with the EU prompting and leading a discussion is what exactly? | |||
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"It's time for EU member states to consider making Covid vaccinations mandatory, says the European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen says: "This needs a common approach, but it is a discussion that I think has to be led" Seems she wants to lead it, i cant see all eu countries agreeing to that one. And your problem with the EU prompting and leading a discussion is what exactly?" sods law | |||
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"How does the EU square this off with the ECHR? How does trying not to let people die sound? it sounds perfectly reasonable to me but as soon as someone says no, how will the EU proceed? Firstly the EU has no mandate for health care, so I doubt if it originated with them, you might want to site the source. Perhaps the EU is asking member states to think about it, something along the lines of "European Commission president says EU states need to discuss idea in response to spread of Omicron variant" That's exactly what I am referring to. The OP has a question mark at the end and the issue remains the same and unanswered Sorry, your post seemed to be alluding to the EU mandating vaccination. It isn't. Glad you cleared that up
the nazi party started in the eu... that is all i am saying "The EU didn’t exist in 1945 (the year the Nazi party abolished) | |||
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"How does the EU square this off with the ECHR? How does trying not to let people die sound? it sounds perfectly reasonable to me but as soon as someone says no, how will the EU proceed? Firstly the EU has no mandate for health care, so I doubt if it originated with them, you might want to site the source. Perhaps the EU is asking member states to think about it, something along the lines of "European Commission president says EU states need to discuss idea in response to spread of Omicron variant" That's exactly what I am referring to. The OP has a question mark at the end and the issue remains the same and unanswered Sorry, your post seemed to be alluding to the EU mandating vaccination. It isn't. Glad you cleared that up
the nazi party started in the eu... that is all i am saying
The EU didn’t exist in 1945 (the year the Nazi party abolished) "Europe didn't exist in 1945  . ... think it did... yes names change but the location doesn't | |||
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"How does the EU square this off with the ECHR? How does trying not to let people die sound? it sounds perfectly reasonable to me but as soon as someone says no, how will the EU proceed? Firstly the EU has no mandate for health care, so I doubt if it originated with them, you might want to site the source. Perhaps the EU is asking member states to think about it, something along the lines of "European Commission president says EU states need to discuss idea in response to spread of Omicron variant" That's exactly what I am referring to. The OP has a question mark at the end and the issue remains the same and unanswered Sorry, your post seemed to be alluding to the EU mandating vaccination. It isn't. Glad you cleared that up
the nazi party started in the eu... that is all i am saying
The EU didn’t exist in 1945 (the year the Nazi party abolished)
Europe didn't exist in 1945 . ... think it did... yes names change but the location doesn't "The EU isn’t Europe, I think your getting confused, again | |||
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"How does the EU square this off with the ECHR? " I read that in Greece anyone over 60 years old has to have the vaccine and will be fined if they refuse. The way I read it they will be fined every month they continue to refuse it as well. | |||
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"How does the EU square this off with the ECHR? I read that in Greece anyone over 60 years old has to have the vaccine and will be fined if they refuse. The way I read it they will be fined every month they continue to refuse it as well. " Yes i read that too, im sure some countries will go along with UVL,s plans and it easy for her as she doesn't have to deal with the fallout from voters as no one voted her in but cant see the likes of Holland, Poland and Hungary going along with them.  | |||
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"the nazi party started in the eu... that is all i am saying "Could you please provide some proof as to that accusation? You obviously believe it. Thank you | |||
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"the nazi party started in the eu... that is all i am saying
Could you please provide some proof as to that accusation?
You obviously believe it.
Thank you"Get ready for something vague | |||
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"How does the EU square this off with the ECHR? I read that in Greece anyone over 60 years old has to have the vaccine and will be fined if they refuse. The way I read it they will be fined every month they continue to refuse it as well. Yes i read that too, im sure some countries will go along with UVL,s plans and it easy for her as she doesn't have to deal with the fallout from voters as no one voted her in but cant see the likes of Holland, Poland and Hungary going along with them. "Do you mean they get to decide for themselves and the EU can’t force them to follow their advice? This can’t be right | |||
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"How does the EU square this off with the ECHR? I read that in Greece anyone over 60 years old has to have the vaccine and will be fined if they refuse. The way I read it they will be fined every month they continue to refuse it as well. Yes i read that too, im sure some countries will go along with UVL,s plans and it easy for her as she doesn't have to deal with the fallout from voters as no one voted her in but cant see the likes of Holland, Poland and Hungary going along with them.
Do you mean they get to decide for themselves and the EU can’t force them to follow their advice? This can’t be right "Of course, they wont go down the same route as they did with the eu vaccination procurement disaster.I think they learnt their lesson there. | |||
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"How does the EU square this off with the ECHR? I read that in Greece anyone over 60 years old has to have the vaccine and will be fined if they refuse. The way I read it they will be fined every month they continue to refuse it as well. Yes i read that too, im sure some countries will go along with UVL,s plans and it easy for her as she doesn't have to deal with the fallout from voters as no one voted her in but cant see the likes of Holland, Poland and Hungary going along with them.
Do you mean they get to decide for themselves and the EU can’t force them to follow their advice? This can’t be right Of course, they wont go down the same route as they did with the eu vaccination procurement disaster.I think they learnt their lesson there."Individual countries in the EU got to decide their own vaccination programme? This can’t be right? | |||
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"How does the EU square this off with the ECHR? I read that in Greece anyone over 60 years old has to have the vaccine and will be fined if they refuse. The way I read it they will be fined every month they continue to refuse it as well. Yes i read that too, im sure some countries will go along with UVL,s plans and it easy for her as she doesn't have to deal with the fallout from voters as no one voted her in but cant see the likes of Holland, Poland and Hungary going along with them.
Do you mean they get to decide for themselves and the EU can’t force them to follow their advice? This can’t be right Of course, they wont go down the same route as they did with the eu vaccination procurement disaster.I think they learnt their lesson there.
Individual countries in the EU got to decide their own vaccination programme? This can’t be right? "Just another classic example of an eu president trying to justify her very existence "countries need to be led" by her. | |||
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"How does the EU square this off with the ECHR? I read that in Greece anyone over 60 years old has to have the vaccine and will be fined if they refuse. The way I read it they will be fined every month they continue to refuse it as well. Yes i read that too, im sure some countries will go along with UVL,s plans and it easy for her as she doesn't have to deal with the fallout from voters as no one voted her in but cant see the likes of Holland, Poland and Hungary going along with them.
Do you mean they get to decide for themselves and the EU can’t force them to follow their advice? This can’t be right Of course, they wont go down the same route as they did with the eu vaccination procurement disaster.I think they learnt their lesson there.
Individual countries in the EU got to decide their own vaccination programme? This can’t be right? Just another classic example of an eu president trying to justify her very existence "countries need to be led" by her. "Are the EU still living in your head rent free? You won, get on with it | |||
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"How does the EU square this off with the ECHR? I read that in Greece anyone over 60 years old has to have the vaccine and will be fined if they refuse. The way I read it they will be fined every month they continue to refuse it as well. Yes i read that too, im sure some countries will go along with UVL,s plans and it easy for her as she doesn't have to deal with the fallout from voters as no one voted her in but cant see the likes of Holland, Poland and Hungary going along with them.
Do you mean they get to decide for themselves and the EU can’t force them to follow their advice? This can’t be right Of course, they wont go down the same route as they did with the eu vaccination procurement disaster.I think they learnt their lesson there.
Individual countries in the EU got to decide their own vaccination programme? This can’t be right? Just another classic example of an eu president trying to justify her very existence "countries need to be led" by her.
Are the EU still living in your head rent free? You won, get on with it "So there is a thread about the eu and you find it strange someone posts on it? i have to wonder what goes on in your head or was that your attempt at being humorous? | |||
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"How does the EU square this off with the ECHR? I read that in Greece anyone over 60 years old has to have the vaccine and will be fined if they refuse. The way I read it they will be fined every month they continue to refuse it as well. Yes i read that too, im sure some countries will go along with UVL,s plans and it easy for her as she doesn't have to deal with the fallout from voters as no one voted her in but cant see the likes of Holland, Poland and Hungary going along with them.
Do you mean they get to decide for themselves and the EU can’t force them to follow their advice? This can’t be right Of course, they wont go down the same route as they did with the eu vaccination procurement disaster.I think they learnt their lesson there.
Individual countries in the EU got to decide their own vaccination programme? This can’t be right? Just another classic example of an eu president trying to justify her very existence "countries need to be led" by her.
Are the EU still living in your head rent free? You won, get on with it So there is a thread about the eu and you find it strange someone posts on it? i have to wonder what goes on in your head or was that your attempt at being humorous? "You need to move on mate, we have left the EU, they don’t care about us (except we sometimes provide them with comedy , especially Boris) so why care about them? I just want Brexit to be far less shit than it currently is, that should be the priority. | |||
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"How does the EU square this off with the ECHR? I read that in Greece anyone over 60 years old has to have the vaccine and will be fined if they refuse. The way I read it they will be fined every month they continue to refuse it as well. Yes i read that too, im sure some countries will go along with UVL,s plans and it easy for her as she doesn't have to deal with the fallout from voters as no one voted her in but cant see the likes of Holland, Poland and Hungary going along with them.
Do you mean they get to decide for themselves and the EU can’t force them to follow their advice? This can’t be right Of course, they wont go down the same route as they did with the eu vaccination procurement disaster.I think they learnt their lesson there.
Individual countries in the EU got to decide their own vaccination programme? This can’t be right? Just another classic example of an eu president trying to justify her very existence "countries need to be led" by her.
Are the EU still living in your head rent free? You won, get on with it So there is a thread about the eu and you find it strange someone posts on it? i have to wonder what goes on in your head or was that your attempt at being humorous?
You need to move on mate, we have left the EU, they don’t care about us (except we sometimes provide them with comedy , especially Boris) so why care about them? I just want Brexit to be far less shit than it currently is, that should be the priority. "You need to start contributing something constructive to peoples threads rather than ruining them with content that has no bearing on the topic you might start getting some credibility.  | |||
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"How does the EU square this off with the ECHR? I read that in Greece anyone over 60 years old has to have the vaccine and will be fined if they refuse. The way I read it they will be fined every month they continue to refuse it as well. Yes i read that too, im sure some countries will go along with UVL,s plans and it easy for her as she doesn't have to deal with the fallout from voters as no one voted her in but cant see the likes of Holland, Poland and Hungary going along with them.
Do you mean they get to decide for themselves and the EU can’t force them to follow their advice? This can’t be right Of course, they wont go down the same route as they did with the eu vaccination procurement disaster.I think they learnt their lesson there.
Individual countries in the EU got to decide their own vaccination programme? This can’t be right? Just another classic example of an eu president trying to justify her very existence "countries need to be led" by her.
Are the EU still living in your head rent free? You won, get on with it So there is a thread about the eu and you find it strange someone posts on it? i have to wonder what goes on in your head or was that your attempt at being humorous?
You need to move on mate, we have left the EU, they don’t care about us (except we sometimes provide them with comedy , especially Boris) so why care about them? I just want Brexit to be far less shit than it currently is, that should be the priority. You need to start contributing something constructive to peoples threads rather than ruining them with content that has no bearing on the topic you might start getting some credibility. "Ah, that hit a nerve, hopefully one day you will be able to move on , we aren’t in the EU, they don’t care about the UK, let’s concentrate on solving the massive turd that is Brexit | |||
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"How does the EU square this off with the ECHR? I read that in Greece anyone over 60 years old has to have the vaccine and will be fined if they refuse. The way I read it they will be fined every month they continue to refuse it as well. Yes i read that too, im sure some countries will go along with UVL,s plans and it easy for her as she doesn't have to deal with the fallout from voters as no one voted her in but cant see the likes of Holland, Poland and Hungary going along with them.
Do you mean they get to decide for themselves and the EU can’t force them to follow their advice? This can’t be right Of course, they wont go down the same route as they did with the eu vaccination procurement disaster.I think they learnt their lesson there.
Individual countries in the EU got to decide their own vaccination programme? This can’t be right? Just another classic example of an eu president trying to justify her very existence "countries need to be led" by her.
Are the EU still living in your head rent free? You won, get on with it So there is a thread about the eu and you find it strange someone posts on it? i have to wonder what goes on in your head or was that your attempt at being humorous?
You need to move on mate, we have left the EU, they don’t care about us (except we sometimes provide them with comedy , especially Boris) so why care about them? I just want Brexit to be far less shit than it currently is, that should be the priority. You need to start contributing something constructive to peoples threads rather than ruining them with content that has no bearing on the topic you might start getting some credibility.
Ah, that hit a nerve, hopefully one day you will be able to move on , we aren’t in the EU, they don’t care about the UK, let’s concentrate on solving the massive turd that is Brexit "Not at all just a fact when do you ever contribute anything constructive to a thread? usually when you are pulled up on it your reply is " its just a laugh".So no you haven't hit a nerve and if you want to talk about brexit start a thread on it this is about UVL wanting to lead eu countries to consider mandatory vaccination which you dont seem to have an opinion (as usual) on the subject.So i will repeat stop ruining peoples threads. | |||
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"How does the EU square this off with the ECHR? I read that in Greece anyone over 60 years old has to have the vaccine and will be fined if they refuse. The way I read it they will be fined every month they continue to refuse it as well. Yes i read that too, im sure some countries will go along with UVL,s plans and it easy for her as she doesn't have to deal with the fallout from voters as no one voted her in but cant see the likes of Holland, Poland and Hungary going along with them.
Do you mean they get to decide for themselves and the EU can’t force them to follow their advice? This can’t be right Of course, they wont go down the same route as they did with the eu vaccination procurement disaster.I think they learnt their lesson there.
Individual countries in the EU got to decide their own vaccination programme? This can’t be right? Just another classic example of an eu president trying to justify her very existence "countries need to be led" by her.
Are the EU still living in your head rent free? You won, get on with it So there is a thread about the eu and you find it strange someone posts on it? i have to wonder what goes on in your head or was that your attempt at being humorous?
You need to move on mate, we have left the EU, they don’t care about us (except we sometimes provide them with comedy , especially Boris) so why care about them? I just want Brexit to be far less shit than it currently is, that should be the priority. You need to start contributing something constructive to peoples threads rather than ruining them with content that has no bearing on the topic you might start getting some credibility.
Ah, that hit a nerve, hopefully one day you will be able to move on , we aren’t in the EU, they don’t care about the UK, let’s concentrate on solving the massive turd that is Brexit Not at all just a fact when do you ever contribute anything constructive to a thread? usually when you are pulled up on it your reply is " its just a laugh".So no you haven't hit a nerve and if you want to talk about brexit start a thread on it this is about UVL wanting to lead eu countries to consider mandatory vaccination which you dont seem to have an opinion (as usual) on the subject.So i will repeat stop ruining peoples threads."( Insert Reeves and Mortimer handbag gif here ) | |||
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"How does the EU square this off with the ECHR? How does trying not to let people die sound? it sounds perfectly reasonable to me but as soon as someone says no, how will the EU proceed? Firstly the EU has no mandate for health care, so I doubt if it originated with them, you might want to site the source. Perhaps the EU is asking member states to think about it, something along the lines of "European Commission president says EU states need to discuss idea in response to spread of Omicron variant" That's exactly what I am referring to. The OP has a question mark at the end and the issue remains the same and unanswered Sorry, your post seemed to be alluding to the EU mandating vaccination. It isn't. Glad you cleared that up
the nazi party started in the eu... that is all i am saying
Godwins law"Always those with a fascist bent that quickly screams Godwin's law to deflect | |||
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"How does the EU square this off with the ECHR? I read that in Greece anyone over 60 years old has to have the vaccine and will be fined if they refuse. The way I read it they will be fined every month they continue to refuse it as well. Yes i read that too, im sure some countries will go along with UVL,s plans and it easy for her as she doesn't have to deal with the fallout from voters as no one voted her in but cant see the likes of Holland, Poland and Hungary going along with them.
Do you mean they get to decide for themselves and the EU can’t force them to follow their advice? This can’t be right Of course, they wont go down the same route as they did with the eu vaccination procurement disaster.I think they learnt their lesson there.
Individual countries in the EU got to decide their own vaccination programme? This can’t be right? Just another classic example of an eu president trying to justify her very existence "countries need to be led" by her.
Are the EU still living in your head rent free? You won, get on with it So there is a thread about the eu and you find it strange someone posts on it? i have to wonder what goes on in your head or was that your attempt at being humorous?
You need to move on mate, we have left the EU, they don’t care about us (except we sometimes provide them with comedy , especially Boris) so why care about them? I just want Brexit to be far less shit than it currently is, that should be the priority. You need to start contributing something constructive to peoples threads rather than ruining them with content that has no bearing on the topic you might start getting some credibility.
Ah, that hit a nerve, hopefully one day you will be able to move on , we aren’t in the EU, they don’t care about the UK, let’s concentrate on solving the massive turd that is Brexit Not at all just a fact when do you ever contribute anything constructive to a thread? usually when you are pulled up on it your reply is " its just a laugh".So no you haven't hit a nerve and if you want to talk about brexit start a thread on it this is about UVL wanting to lead eu countries to consider mandatory vaccination which you dont seem to have an opinion (as usual) on the subject.So i will repeat stop ruining peoples threads."UVL has offered advice, that is her job . The only reason I ‘contributed ‘ to this thread because someone (one of your fellow EU baskets) stated that the Nazis came from the EU which was incorrect . You carry on EU bashing if it makes you happy, I shall concentrate on the huge festering turd that is Brexit | |||
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"How does the EU square this off with the ECHR? I read that in Greece anyone over 60 years old has to have the vaccine and will be fined if they refuse. The way I read it they will be fined every month they continue to refuse it as well. Yes i read that too, im sure some countries will go along with UVL,s plans and it easy for her as she doesn't have to deal with the fallout from voters as no one voted her in but cant see the likes of Holland, Poland and Hungary going along with them. "I suppose it's not mandatory yet in Greece but could get expensive for those that refuse. I suspect most places will try to make life harder for those that don't get the jab. Things like no flying, cinema, maybe even restaurants unless vaccinated. It's a tricky line and as you say there has been trouble already in several countries. | |||
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"How does the EU square this off with the ECHR? I read that in Greece anyone over 60 years old has to have the vaccine and will be fined if they refuse. The way I read it they will be fined every month they continue to refuse it as well. Yes i read that too, im sure some countries will go along with UVL,s plans and it easy for her as she doesn't have to deal with the fallout from voters as no one voted her in but cant see the likes of Holland, Poland and Hungary going along with them.
Do you mean they get to decide for themselves and the EU can’t force them to follow their advice? This can’t be right Of course, they wont go down the same route as they did with the eu vaccination procurement disaster.I think they learnt their lesson there.
Individual countries in the EU got to decide their own vaccination programme? This can’t be right? Just another classic example of an eu president trying to justify her very existence "countries need to be led" by her.
Are the EU still living in your head rent free? You won, get on with it So there is a thread about the eu and you find it strange someone posts on it? i have to wonder what goes on in your head or was that your attempt at being humorous?
You need to move on mate, we have left the EU, they don’t care about us (except we sometimes provide them with comedy , especially Boris) so why care about them? I just want Brexit to be far less shit than it currently is, that should be the priority. You need to start contributing something constructive to peoples threads rather than ruining them with content that has no bearing on the topic you might start getting some credibility.
Ah, that hit a nerve, hopefully one day you will be able to move on , we aren’t in the EU, they don’t care about the UK, let’s concentrate on solving the massive turd that is Brexit Not at all just a fact when do you ever contribute anything constructive to a thread? usually when you are pulled up on it your reply is " its just a laugh".So no you haven't hit a nerve and if you want to talk about brexit start a thread on it this is about UVL wanting to lead eu countries to consider mandatory vaccination which you dont seem to have an opinion (as usual) on the subject.So i will repeat stop ruining peoples threads.
( Insert Reeves and Mortimer handbag gif here )"It seems a have caused offence, some these leave voters are a bit tetchy atm, not sure why | |||
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"How does the EU square this off with the ECHR? I read that in Greece anyone over 60 years old has to have the vaccine and will be fined if they refuse. The way I read it they will be fined every month they continue to refuse it as well. Yes i read that too, im sure some countries will go along with UVL,s plans and it easy for her as she doesn't have to deal with the fallout from voters as no one voted her in but cant see the likes of Holland, Poland and Hungary going along with them.
Do you mean they get to decide for themselves and the EU can’t force them to follow their advice? This can’t be right Of course, they wont go down the same route as they did with the eu vaccination procurement disaster.I think they learnt their lesson there.
Individual countries in the EU got to decide their own vaccination programme? This can’t be right? Just another classic example of an eu president trying to justify her very existence "countries need to be led" by her.
Are the EU still living in your head rent free? You won, get on with it So there is a thread about the eu and you find it strange someone posts on it? i have to wonder what goes on in your head or was that your attempt at being humorous?
You need to move on mate, we have left the EU, they don’t care about us (except we sometimes provide them with comedy , especially Boris) so why care about them? I just want Brexit to be far less shit than it currently is, that should be the priority. You need to start contributing something constructive to peoples threads rather than ruining them with content that has no bearing on the topic you might start getting some credibility.
Ah, that hit a nerve, hopefully one day you will be able to move on , we aren’t in the EU, they don’t care about the UK, let’s concentrate on solving the massive turd that is Brexit Not at all just a fact when do you ever contribute anything constructive to a thread? usually when you are pulled up on it your reply is " its just a laugh".So no you haven't hit a nerve and if you want to talk about brexit start a thread on it this is about UVL wanting to lead eu countries to consider mandatory vaccination which you dont seem to have an opinion (as usual) on the subject.So i will repeat stop ruining peoples threads.
UVL has offered advice, that is her job . The only reason I ‘contributed ‘ to this thread because someone (one of your fellow EU baskets) stated that the Nazis came from the EU which was incorrect . You carry on EU bashing if it makes you happy, I shall concentrate on the huge festering turd that is Brexit "Eu baskets?! You mocking mental health? Seriously. But anyway, is Germany in the European union, yes it is and Germany hasn't moved in recent history, well it split a bit, so the nazi movement was based in Germany an eu country.... yes it was, most of Europe was under nazi rule... nazis all of them, for a time but now they go under a new heading... eu | |||
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"How does the EU square this off with the ECHR? I read that in Greece anyone over 60 years old has to have the vaccine and will be fined if they refuse. The way I read it they will be fined every month they continue to refuse it as well. Yes i read that too, im sure some countries will go along with UVL,s plans and it easy for her as she doesn't have to deal with the fallout from voters as no one voted her in but cant see the likes of Holland, Poland and Hungary going along with them.
Do you mean they get to decide for themselves and the EU can’t force them to follow their advice? This can’t be right Of course, they wont go down the same route as they did with the eu vaccination procurement disaster.I think they learnt their lesson there.
Individual countries in the EU got to decide their own vaccination programme? This can’t be right? Just another classic example of an eu president trying to justify her very existence "countries need to be led" by her.
Are the EU still living in your head rent free? You won, get on with it So there is a thread about the eu and you find it strange someone posts on it? i have to wonder what goes on in your head or was that your attempt at being humorous?
You need to move on mate, we have left the EU, they don’t care about us (except we sometimes provide them with comedy , especially Boris) so why care about them? I just want Brexit to be far less shit than it currently is, that should be the priority. You need to start contributing something constructive to peoples threads rather than ruining them with content that has no bearing on the topic you might start getting some credibility.
Ah, that hit a nerve, hopefully one day you will be able to move on , we aren’t in the EU, they don’t care about the UK, let’s concentrate on solving the massive turd that is Brexit Not at all just a fact when do you ever contribute anything constructive to a thread? usually when you are pulled up on it your reply is " its just a laugh".So no you haven't hit a nerve and if you want to talk about brexit start a thread on it this is about UVL wanting to lead eu countries to consider mandatory vaccination which you dont seem to have an opinion (as usual) on the subject.So i will repeat stop ruining peoples threads.
UVL has offered advice, that is her job . The only reason I ‘contributed ‘ to this thread because someone (one of your fellow EU baskets) stated that the Nazis came from the EU which was incorrect . You carry on EU bashing if it makes you happy, I shall concentrate on the huge festering turd that is Brexit
Eu baskets?! You mocking mental health? Seriously.
But anyway, is Germany in the European union, yes it is and Germany hasn't moved in recent history, well it split a bit, so the nazi movement was based in Germany an eu country.... yes it was, most of Europe was under nazi rule... nazis all of them, for a time but now they go under a new heading... eu "My apologies, it was ment to say EU basher, the nazi party was abolished in 1945, several decades before the EU was formed, I hope this helps | |||
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"How does the EU square this off with the ECHR? I read that in Greece anyone over 60 years old has to have the vaccine and will be fined if they refuse. The way I read it they will be fined every month they continue to refuse it as well. Yes i read that too, im sure some countries will go along with UVL,s plans and it easy for her as she doesn't have to deal with the fallout from voters as no one voted her in but cant see the likes of Holland, Poland and Hungary going along with them.
Do you mean they get to decide for themselves and the EU can’t force them to follow their advice? This can’t be right Of course, they wont go down the same route as they did with the eu vaccination procurement disaster.I think they learnt their lesson there.
Individual countries in the EU got to decide their own vaccination programme? This can’t be right? Just another classic example of an eu president trying to justify her very existence "countries need to be led" by her.
Are the EU still living in your head rent free? You won, get on with it So there is a thread about the eu and you find it strange someone posts on it? i have to wonder what goes on in your head or was that your attempt at being humorous?
You need to move on mate, we have left the EU, they don’t care about us (except we sometimes provide them with comedy , especially Boris) so why care about them? I just want Brexit to be far less shit than it currently is, that should be the priority. You need to start contributing something constructive to peoples threads rather than ruining them with content that has no bearing on the topic you might start getting some credibility.
Ah, that hit a nerve, hopefully one day you will be able to move on , we aren’t in the EU, they don’t care about the UK, let’s concentrate on solving the massive turd that is Brexit Not at all just a fact when do you ever contribute anything constructive to a thread? usually when you are pulled up on it your reply is " its just a laugh".So no you haven't hit a nerve and if you want to talk about brexit start a thread on it this is about UVL wanting to lead eu countries to consider mandatory vaccination which you dont seem to have an opinion (as usual) on the subject.So i will repeat stop ruining peoples threads.
UVL has offered advice, that is her job . The only reason I ‘contributed ‘ to this thread because someone (one of your fellow EU baskets) stated that the Nazis came from the EU which was incorrect . You carry on EU bashing if it makes you happy, I shall concentrate on the huge festering turd that is Brexit
Eu baskets?! You mocking mental health? Seriously.
But anyway, is Germany in the European union, yes it is and Germany hasn't moved in recent history, well it split a bit, so the nazi movement was based in Germany an eu country.... yes it was, most of Europe was under nazi rule... nazis all of them, for a time but now they go under a new heading... eu
My apologies, it was ment to say EU basher, the nazi party was abolished in 1945, several decades before the EU was formed, I hope this helps "Course you did .... and yes the nazi party was abolished and re named eu led by von somebody, no tanks needed | |||
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"How does the EU square this off with the ECHR? I read that in Greece anyone over 60 years old has to have the vaccine and will be fined if they refuse. The way I read it they will be fined every month they continue to refuse it as well. Yes i read that too, im sure some countries will go along with UVL,s plans and it easy for her as she doesn't have to deal with the fallout from voters as no one voted her in but cant see the likes of Holland, Poland and Hungary going along with them.
Do you mean they get to decide for themselves and the EU can’t force them to follow their advice? This can’t be right Of course, they wont go down the same route as they did with the eu vaccination procurement disaster.I think they learnt their lesson there.
Individual countries in the EU got to decide their own vaccination programme? This can’t be right? Just another classic example of an eu president trying to justify her very existence "countries need to be led" by her.
Are the EU still living in your head rent free? You won, get on with it So there is a thread about the eu and you find it strange someone posts on it? i have to wonder what goes on in your head or was that your attempt at being humorous?
You need to move on mate, we have left the EU, they don’t care about us (except we sometimes provide them with comedy , especially Boris) so why care about them? I just want Brexit to be far less shit than it currently is, that should be the priority. You need to start contributing something constructive to peoples threads rather than ruining them with content that has no bearing on the topic you might start getting some credibility.
Ah, that hit a nerve, hopefully one day you will be able to move on , we aren’t in the EU, they don’t care about the UK, let’s concentrate on solving the massive turd that is Brexit Not at all just a fact when do you ever contribute anything constructive to a thread? usually when you are pulled up on it your reply is " its just a laugh".So no you haven't hit a nerve and if you want to talk about brexit start a thread on it this is about UVL wanting to lead eu countries to consider mandatory vaccination which you dont seem to have an opinion (as usual) on the subject.So i will repeat stop ruining peoples threads.
UVL has offered advice, that is her job . The only reason I ‘contributed ‘ to this thread because someone (one of your fellow EU baskets) stated that the Nazis came from the EU which was incorrect . You carry on EU bashing if it makes you happy, I shall concentrate on the huge festering turd that is Brexit
Eu baskets?! You mocking mental health? Seriously.
But anyway, is Germany in the European union, yes it is and Germany hasn't moved in recent history, well it split a bit, so the nazi movement was based in Germany an eu country.... yes it was, most of Europe was under nazi rule... nazis all of them, for a time but now they go under a new heading... eu
My apologies, it was ment to say EU basher, the nazi party was abolished in 1945, several decades before the EU was formed, I hope this helps
Course you did .... and yes the nazi party was abolished and re named eu led by von somebody, no tanks needed "No it wasn’t, it was abolished, you are getting confused again, btw, you have to be careful, these nazi claims are not ‘contributing ‘ to the thread, that might upset some people | |||
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"How does the EU square this off with the ECHR? I read that in Greece anyone over 60 years old has to have the vaccine and will be fined if they refuse. The way I read it they will be fined every month they continue to refuse it as well. Yes i read that too, im sure some countries will go along with UVL,s plans and it easy for her as she doesn't have to deal with the fallout from voters as no one voted her in but cant see the likes of Holland, Poland and Hungary going along with them.
Do you mean they get to decide for themselves and the EU can’t force them to follow their advice? This can’t be right Of course, they wont go down the same route as they did with the eu vaccination procurement disaster.I think they learnt their lesson there.
Individual countries in the EU got to decide their own vaccination programme? This can’t be right? Just another classic example of an eu president trying to justify her very existence "countries need to be led" by her.
Are the EU still living in your head rent free? You won, get on with it So there is a thread about the eu and you find it strange someone posts on it? i have to wonder what goes on in your head or was that your attempt at being humorous?
You need to move on mate, we have left the EU, they don’t care about us (except we sometimes provide them with comedy , especially Boris) so why care about them? I just want Brexit to be far less shit than it currently is, that should be the priority. You need to start contributing something constructive to peoples threads rather than ruining them with content that has no bearing on the topic you might start getting some credibility.
Ah, that hit a nerve, hopefully one day you will be able to move on , we aren’t in the EU, they don’t care about the UK, let’s concentrate on solving the massive turd that is Brexit Not at all just a fact when do you ever contribute anything constructive to a thread? usually when you are pulled up on it your reply is " its just a laugh".So no you haven't hit a nerve and if you want to talk about brexit start a thread on it this is about UVL wanting to lead eu countries to consider mandatory vaccination which you dont seem to have an opinion (as usual) on the subject.So i will repeat stop ruining peoples threads.
UVL has offered advice, that is her job . The only reason I ‘contributed ‘ to this thread because someone (one of your fellow EU baskets) stated that the Nazis came from the EU which was incorrect . You carry on EU bashing if it makes you happy, I shall concentrate on the huge festering turd that is Brexit
Eu baskets?! You mocking mental health? Seriously.
But anyway, is Germany in the European union, yes it is and Germany hasn't moved in recent history, well it split a bit, so the nazi movement was based in Germany an eu country.... yes it was, most of Europe was under nazi rule... nazis all of them, for a time but now they go under a new heading... eu
My apologies, it was ment to say EU basher, the nazi party was abolished in 1945, several decades before the EU was formed, I hope this helps
Course you did .... and yes the nazi party was abolished and re named eu led by von somebody, no tanks needed
No it wasn’t, it was abolished, you are getting confused again, btw, you have to be careful, these nazi claims are not ‘contributing ‘ to the thread, that might upset some people "Oh after calling people baskets you now care? Really? So see through... windows, aren't they | |||
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"How does the EU square this off with the ECHR? I read that in Greece anyone over 60 years old has to have the vaccine and will be fined if they refuse. The way I read it they will be fined every month they continue to refuse it as well. Yes i read that too, im sure some countries will go along with UVL,s plans and it easy for her as she doesn't have to deal with the fallout from voters as no one voted her in but cant see the likes of Holland, Poland and Hungary going along with them.
Do you mean they get to decide for themselves and the EU can’t force them to follow their advice? This can’t be right Of course, they wont go down the same route as they did with the eu vaccination procurement disaster.I think they learnt their lesson there.
Individual countries in the EU got to decide their own vaccination programme? This can’t be right? Just another classic example of an eu president trying to justify her very existence "countries need to be led" by her.
Are the EU still living in your head rent free? You won, get on with it So there is a thread about the eu and you find it strange someone posts on it? i have to wonder what goes on in your head or was that your attempt at being humorous?
You need to move on mate, we have left the EU, they don’t care about us (except we sometimes provide them with comedy , especially Boris) so why care about them? I just want Brexit to be far less shit than it currently is, that should be the priority. You need to start contributing something constructive to peoples threads rather than ruining them with content that has no bearing on the topic you might start getting some credibility.
Ah, that hit a nerve, hopefully one day you will be able to move on , we aren’t in the EU, they don’t care about the UK, let’s concentrate on solving the massive turd that is Brexit Not at all just a fact when do you ever contribute anything constructive to a thread? usually when you are pulled up on it your reply is " its just a laugh".So no you haven't hit a nerve and if you want to talk about brexit start a thread on it this is about UVL wanting to lead eu countries to consider mandatory vaccination which you dont seem to have an opinion (as usual) on the subject.So i will repeat stop ruining peoples threads.
UVL has offered advice, that is her job . The only reason I ‘contributed ‘ to this thread because someone (one of your fellow EU baskets) stated that the Nazis came from the EU which was incorrect . You carry on EU bashing if it makes you happy, I shall concentrate on the huge festering turd that is Brexit
Eu baskets?! You mocking mental health? Seriously.
But anyway, is Germany in the European union, yes it is and Germany hasn't moved in recent history, well it split a bit, so the nazi movement was based in Germany an eu country.... yes it was, most of Europe was under nazi rule... nazis all of them, for a time but now they go under a new heading... eu
My apologies, it was ment to say EU basher, the nazi party was abolished in 1945, several decades before the EU was formed, I hope this helps
Course you did .... and yes the nazi party was abolished and re named eu led by von somebody, no tanks needed
No it wasn’t, it was abolished, you are getting confused again, btw, you have to be careful, these nazi claims are not ‘contributing ‘ to the thread, that might upset some people
Oh after calling people baskets you now care? Really? So see through... windows, aren't they "It was a typo, up to you wether you believe that or not . I was only pointing out that I was chastised for not ‘contributing’ to the thread whilst your false claims that the Nazis (abolished in 1945) came from the EU (created in 1993) are not ‘contributing ‘ to the thread either. | |||
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"My original post was to ask, IF the EU went down the route of mandatory vaccinations, how would that work the the ECHR...this seems to have been lost in the usual sniping contest. They can’t make them ‘mandatory’ That was my thinking but it's not what's being suggested" The EU can’t make it mandatory | |||
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"My original post was to ask, IF the EU went down the route of mandatory vaccinations, how would that work the the ECHR...this seems to have been lost in the usual sniping contest. They can’t make them ‘mandatory’ " They can. They can’t use force to apply, but they can make it next to impossible to function in society without them. Exclusions, fines etc. So maybe can’t mandate having to have the injection, but could mandate it is necessary to receive access to public services. All depends on the proportionality of need vs woder public health. | |||
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"My original post was to ask, IF the EU went down the route of mandatory vaccinations, how would that work the the ECHR...this seems to have been lost in the usual sniping contest. They can’t make them ‘mandatory’ That was my thinking but it's not what's being suggested The EU can’t make it mandatory " Then Ursula is wasting her time suggesting it? | |||
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"My original post was to ask, IF the EU went down the route of mandatory vaccinations, how would that work the the ECHR...this seems to have been lost in the usual sniping contest. They can’t make them ‘mandatory’ That was my thinking but it's not what's being suggested The EU can’t make it mandatory Then Ursula is wasting her time suggesting it?" It probably has about as much a chance of happening as “the North” being “levelled up”. Senior politicians make a lot of noise. Not all of it results in action. | |||
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"My original post was to ask, IF the EU went down the route of mandatory vaccinations, how would that work the the ECHR...this seems to have been lost in the usual sniping contest. They can’t make them ‘mandatory’ That was my thinking but it's not what's being suggested The EU can’t make it mandatory Then Ursula is wasting her time suggesting it?" It was a ‘suggestion’ her job is to give advice , | |||
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"My original post was to ask, IF the EU went down the route of mandatory vaccinations, how would that work the the ECHR...this seems to have been lost in the usual sniping contest. They can’t make them ‘mandatory’ That was my thinking but it's not what's being suggested The EU can’t make it mandatory Then Ursula is wasting her time suggesting it? It was a ‘suggestion’ her job is to give advice , " But if it can't happen....? | |||
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"My original post was to ask, IF the EU went down the route of mandatory vaccinations, how would that work the the ECHR...this seems to have been lost in the usual sniping contest. They can’t make them ‘mandatory’ They can. They can’t use force to apply, but they can make it next to impossible to function in society without them. Exclusions, fines etc. So maybe can’t mandate having to have the injection, but could mandate it is necessary to receive access to public services. All depends on the proportionality of need vs woder public health. " No they can’t and they won’t , it’s up to each individual country how they deal with it , just like it was with the vaccines | |||
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"My original post was to ask, IF the EU went down the route of mandatory vaccinations, how would that work the the ECHR...this seems to have been lost in the usual sniping contest. They can’t make them ‘mandatory’ That was my thinking but it's not what's being suggested The EU can’t make it mandatory Then Ursula is wasting her time suggesting it? It was a ‘suggestion’ her job is to give advice , But if it can't happen....?" It’s advice a suggestion, the EU thinks it ‘might ‘ be beneficial for the vaccines to be mandatory . Have you ever been given advice | |||
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"My original post was to ask, IF the EU went down the route of mandatory vaccinations, how would that work the the ECHR...this seems to have been lost in the usual sniping contest. They can’t make them ‘mandatory’ That was my thinking but it's not what's being suggested The EU can’t make it mandatory Then Ursula is wasting her time suggesting it? It was a ‘suggestion’ her job is to give advice , But if it can't happen....? It’s advice a suggestion, the EU thinks it ‘might ‘ be beneficial for the vaccines to be mandatory . Have you ever been given advice " Cut the sarcasm. My question remains is enforced vaccination against the ECHR | |||
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"My original post was to ask, IF the EU went down the route of mandatory vaccinations, how would that work the the ECHR...this seems to have been lost in the usual sniping contest. They can’t make them ‘mandatory’ That was my thinking but it's not what's being suggested The EU can’t make it mandatory Then Ursula is wasting her time suggesting it? It was a ‘suggestion’ her job is to give advice , But if it can't happen....? It’s advice a suggestion, the EU thinks it ‘might ‘ be beneficial for the vaccines to be mandatory . Have you ever been given advice Cut the sarcasm. My question remains is enforced vaccination against the ECHR" Chill out, the EU can’t make it mandatory, try reading | |||
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"My original post was to ask, IF the EU went down the route of mandatory vaccinations, how would that work the the ECHR...this seems to have been lost in the usual sniping contest. They can’t make them ‘mandatory’ That was my thinking but it's not what's being suggested The EU can’t make it mandatory Then Ursula is wasting her time suggesting it? It was a ‘suggestion’ her job is to give advice , But if it can't happen....? It’s advice a suggestion, the EU thinks it ‘might ‘ be beneficial for the vaccines to be mandatory . Have you ever been given advice Cut the sarcasm. My question remains is enforced vaccination against the ECHR Chill out, the EU can’t make it mandatory, try reading " Then why suggest it? | |||
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"My original post was to ask, IF the EU went down the route of mandatory vaccinations, how would that work the the ECHR...this seems to have been lost in the usual sniping contest. They can’t make them ‘mandatory’ That was my thinking but it's not what's being suggested The EU can’t make it mandatory Then Ursula is wasting her time suggesting it? It was a ‘suggestion’ her job is to give advice , But if it can't happen....? It’s advice a suggestion, the EU thinks it ‘might ‘ be beneficial for the vaccines to be mandatory . Have you ever been given advice Cut the sarcasm. My question remains is enforced vaccination against the ECHR" Here are the list of rights, which one do you think it might break? The Convention secures: the right to life (Article 2) freedom from torture (Article 3) freedom from 5lavery (Article 4) the right to liberty (Article 5) the right to a fair trial (Article 6) the right not to be punished for something that wasn’t against the law at the time (Article 7) the right to respect for family and private life (Article 8) freedom of thought, conscience and religion (Article 9) freedom of expression (Article 10) freedom of assembly (Article 11) the right to marry and start a family (Article 12) the right not to be discriminated against in respect of these rights (Article 14) the right to protection of property (Protocol 1, Article 1) the right to education (Protocol 1, Article 2) the right to participate in free elections (Protocol 1, Article 3) the abolition of the death penalty (Protocol 13) | |||
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"My original post was to ask, IF the EU went down the route of mandatory vaccinations, how would that work the the ECHR...this seems to have been lost in the usual sniping contest. They can’t make them ‘mandatory’ They can. They can’t use force to apply, but they can make it next to impossible to function in society without them. Exclusions, fines etc. So maybe can’t mandate having to have the injection, but could mandate it is necessary to receive access to public services. All depends on the proportionality of need vs woder public health. No they can’t and they won’t , it’s up to each individual country how they deal with it , just like it was with the vaccines " Your question was whether it would be in contravention of article 8. Not about how the legislative procedure would work to bring about the laws. The ECoHR has already ruled on a number of similar cases. So whilst an EU directive on the matter would take a long time to muster - it does not preclude the ‘advice’ being co-ordinated among a large number of national governments without the need for it to be initiated via a directive. | |||
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"My original post was to ask, IF the EU went down the route of mandatory vaccinations, how would that work the the ECHR...this seems to have been lost in the usual sniping contest. They can’t make them ‘mandatory’ That was my thinking but it's not what's being suggested The EU can’t make it mandatory Then Ursula is wasting her time suggesting it? It was a ‘suggestion’ her job is to give advice , But if it can't happen....? It’s advice a suggestion, the EU thinks it ‘might ‘ be beneficial for the vaccines to be mandatory . Have you ever been given advice Cut the sarcasm. My question remains is enforced vaccination against the ECHR Chill out, the EU can’t make it mandatory, try reading Then why suggest it?" To annoy and confuse you??? | |||
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"My original post was to ask, IF the EU went down the route of mandatory vaccinations, how would that work the the ECHR...this seems to have been lost in the usual sniping contest. They can’t make them ‘mandatory’ That was my thinking but it's not what's being suggested The EU can’t make it mandatory Then Ursula is wasting her time suggesting it? It was a ‘suggestion’ her job is to give advice , But if it can't happen....? It’s advice a suggestion, the EU thinks it ‘might ‘ be beneficial for the vaccines to be mandatory . Have you ever been given advice Cut the sarcasm. My question remains is enforced vaccination against the ECHR" It's why every thread turns into a bun fight bitch fest.... some just have to snipe no matter what you say | |||
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"My original post was to ask, IF the EU went down the route of mandatory vaccinations, how would that work the the ECHR...this seems to have been lost in the usual sniping contest. They can’t make them ‘mandatory’ They can. They can’t use force to apply, but they can make it next to impossible to function in society without them. Exclusions, fines etc. So maybe can’t mandate having to have the injection, but could mandate it is necessary to receive access to public services. All depends on the proportionality of need vs woder public health. No they can’t and they won’t , it’s up to each individual country how they deal with it , just like it was with the vaccines Your question was whether it would be in contravention of article 8. Not about how the legislative procedure would work to bring about the laws. The ECoHR has already ruled on a number of similar cases. So whilst an EU directive on the matter would take a long time to muster - it does not preclude the ‘advice’ being co-ordinated among a large number of national governments without the need for it to be initiated via a directive. " Thank you... amazing how easy it is to respond in a civil manner | |||
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"My original post was to ask, IF the EU went down the route of mandatory vaccinations, how would that work the the ECHR...this seems to have been lost in the usual sniping contest. They can’t make them ‘mandatory’ That was my thinking but it's not what's being suggested The EU can’t make it mandatory Then Ursula is wasting her time suggesting it? It was a ‘suggestion’ her job is to give advice , But if it can't happen....? It’s advice a suggestion, the EU thinks it ‘might ‘ be beneficial for the vaccines to be mandatory . Have you ever been given advice Cut the sarcasm. My question remains is enforced vaccination against the ECHR It's why every thread turns into a bun fight bitch fest.... some just have to snipe no matter what you say "The irony  | |||
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"My original post was to ask, IF the EU went down the route of mandatory vaccinations, how would that work the the ECHR...this seems to have been lost in the usual sniping contest. They can’t make them ‘mandatory’ That was my thinking but it's not what's being suggested The EU can’t make it mandatory Then Ursula is wasting her time suggesting it? It was a ‘suggestion’ her job is to give advice , But if it can't happen....? It’s advice a suggestion, the EU thinks it ‘might ‘ be beneficial for the vaccines to be mandatory . Have you ever been given advice Cut the sarcasm. My question remains is enforced vaccination against the ECHR It's why every thread turns into a bun fight bitch fest.... some just have to snipe no matter what you say "exactly | |||
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"My original post was to ask, IF the EU went down the route of mandatory vaccinations, how would that work the the ECHR...this seems to have been lost in the usual sniping contest. They can’t make them ‘mandatory’ That was my thinking but it's not what's being suggested The EU can’t make it mandatory Then Ursula is wasting her time suggesting it? It was a ‘suggestion’ her job is to give advice , But if it can't happen....? It’s advice a suggestion, the EU thinks it ‘might ‘ be beneficial for the vaccines to be mandatory . Have you ever been given advice Cut the sarcasm. My question remains is enforced vaccination against the ECHR It's why every thread turns into a bun fight bitch fest.... some just have to snipe no matter what you say
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"My original post was to ask, IF the EU went down the route of mandatory vaccinations, how would that work the the ECHR...this seems to have been lost in the usual sniping contest. They can’t make them ‘mandatory’ That was my thinking but it's not what's being suggested The EU can’t make it mandatory Then Ursula is wasting her time suggesting it? It was a ‘suggestion’ her job is to give advice , But if it can't happen....? It’s advice a suggestion, the EU thinks it ‘might ‘ be beneficial for the vaccines to be mandatory . Have you ever been given advice Cut the sarcasm. My question remains is enforced vaccination against the ECHR It's why every thread turns into a bun fight bitch fest.... some just have to snipe no matter what you say
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"Chancellor Angela Merkel says a nationwide vaccination mandate could be imposed in Germany from February 2022. It seems Germany are buying into it. "And your problem with that is? | |||
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"Chancellor Angela Merkel says a nationwide vaccination mandate could be imposed in Germany from February 2022. It seems Germany are buying into it.
And your problem with that is?"Was there a problem stated? It was a statement of fact/opinion on recent news. No issue with the matter was posited. Unless in white font so invisible. | |||
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"Chancellor Angela Merkel says a nationwide vaccination mandate could be imposed in Germany from February 2022. It seems Germany are buying into it. "Yep seems how its going to go in several places. Not strictly mandatory but certainly restrictive life for those not vaccinated. Ideally it will persuade people to take up the jab but it could also lead to trouble on the streets. | |||
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"How does the EU square this off with the ECHR? " There is no mandatory vaccination "in the EU". Individual countries decide. Why the concatenation? There is no link. Did the ECHR when it was drafted contemplate a global pandemic? Did business rates contemplate the advent of Amazon? Hmmm. It's almost as if "events, dear boy,events" happen. | |||
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"How does the EU square this off with the ECHR? There is no mandatory vaccination "in the EU". Individual countries decide. Why the concatenation? There is no link. Did the ECHR when it was drafted contemplate a global pandemic? Did business rates contemplate the advent of Amazon? Hmmm. It's almost as if "events, dear boy,events" happen." "Compulsory vaccination is an interference with the right of bodily integrity, which is apart if the right to private life..." My initial question remains | |||
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"Austria is making it compulsory and Germany now echoing same... think writing is on Wall for team eu. " What writing? | |||
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"Austria is making it compulsory and Germany now echoing same... think writing is on Wall for team eu. " Greece too with over 60,s. | |||
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"Austria is making it compulsory and Germany now echoing same... think writing is on Wall for team eu. Greece too with over 60,s. "Same question, what is wrong with mandatory vaccination? | |||
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"Well im glad that i dont live in a dictatorship, i believe everyone should take the vaccine but also dont think that a government should make you freedom of choice still remains in the uk ." You actually do live in an elected Dictatorship. The Conservatives can do anything they like until the next election. They could for example if they wanted - make protesting illegal, they could unilaterally strip someone of their nationality, they could raise taxes to their highest level since WW2, and no one could do a thing about it. | |||
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"Well im glad that i dont live in a dictatorship, i believe everyone should take the vaccine but also dont think that a government should make you freedom of choice still remains in the uk . You actually do live in an elected Dictatorship. The Conservatives can do anything they like until the next election. They could for example if they wanted - make protesting illegal, they could unilaterally strip someone of their nationality, they could raise taxes to their highest level since WW2, and no one could do a thing about it." What so you are saying any government with a healthy majority is a dictatorship? | |||
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"Well im glad that i dont live in a dictatorship, i believe everyone should take the vaccine but also dont think that a government should make you freedom of choice still remains in the uk . You actually do live in an elected Dictatorship. The Conservatives can do anything they like until the next election. They could for example if they wanted - make protesting illegal, they could unilaterally strip someone of their nationality, they could raise taxes to their highest level since WW2, and no one could do a thing about it." I've heard it all now. Winning a democratic vote to be the government is now a dictatorship.! If that is the case I'm so glad we don't have a JC led dictatorship. | |||
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"Well im glad that i dont live in a dictatorship, i believe everyone should take the vaccine but also dont think that a government should make you freedom of choice still remains in the uk . You actually do live in an elected Dictatorship. The Conservatives can do anything they like until the next election. They could for example if they wanted - make protesting illegal, they could unilaterally strip someone of their nationality, they could raise taxes to their highest level since WW2, and no one could do a thing about it. I've heard it all now. Winning a democratic vote to be the government is now a dictatorship.! If that is the case I'm so glad we don't have a JC led dictatorship." | |||
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"Austria is making it compulsory and Germany now echoing same... think writing is on Wall for team eu. Greece too with over 60,s.
Same question, what is wrong with mandatory vaccination?"A lot of things. The salient point however is that it makes it official that the State has autonomy over one's own body, the most scared and personal freedom one can have. It's been established that vaccines can reduce the impact covid may have on somebody, however being vaccinated (even boostered) is no barrier to catching covid or passing it on. So what public good can the State riding roughshod over personal choice possibly do? | |||
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"Austria is making it compulsory and Germany now echoing same... think writing is on Wall for team eu. Greece too with over 60,s.
Same question, what is wrong with mandatory vaccination?
A lot of things. The salient point however is that it makes it official that the State has autonomy over one's own body, the most scared and personal freedom one can have.
It's been established that vaccines can reduce the impact covid may have on somebody, however being vaccinated (even boostered) is no barrier to catching covid or passing it on. So what public good can the State riding roughshod over personal choice possibly do?"Exactly what next once they have control over your body? | |||
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"Well im glad that i dont live in a dictatorship, i believe everyone should take the vaccine but also dont think that a government should make you freedom of choice still remains in the uk . You actually do live in an elected Dictatorship. The Conservatives can do anything they like until the next election. They could for example if they wanted - make protesting illegal, they could unilaterally strip someone of their nationality, they could raise taxes to their highest level since WW2, and no one could do a thing about it. I've heard it all now. Winning a democratic vote to be the government is now a dictatorship.! If that is the case I'm so glad we don't have a JC led dictatorship." The term elected dictatorship comes from Lord Hailsham in the 70's It describes the constitutional situation in the UK where a party in the UK with say 40% of the vote has 100% of the power and control over parliament. | |||
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"Austria is making it compulsory and Germany now echoing same... think writing is on Wall for team eu. Greece too with over 60,s.
Same question, what is wrong with mandatory vaccination?
A lot of things. The salient point however is that it makes it official that the State has autonomy over one's own body, the most scared and personal freedom one can have.
It's been established that vaccines can reduce the impact covid may have on somebody, however being vaccinated (even boostered) is no barrier to catching covid or passing it on. So what public good can the State riding roughshod over personal choice possibly do?Exactly what next once they have control over your body? "You seem to be running scared of my question Costa. | |||
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"Austria is making it compulsory and Germany now echoing same... think writing is on Wall for team eu. Greece too with over 60,s.
Same question, what is wrong with mandatory vaccination?
A lot of things. The salient point however is that it makes it official that the State has autonomy over one's own body, the most scared and personal freedom one can have.
It's been established that vaccines can reduce the impact covid may have on somebody, however being vaccinated (even boostered) is no barrier to catching covid or passing it on. So what public good can the State riding roughshod over personal choice possibly do?Exactly what next once they have control over your body?
You seem to be running scared of my question Costa."Its been answered- what is wrong with mandatory vaccination is that they remove your basic rights as an individual, you are no longer deemed capable of independent thought or action. Now, what is the point of forced vaccination if, even being triple jabbed, you can still spread the illness to others? | |||
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"Austria is making it compulsory and Germany now echoing same... think writing is on Wall for team eu. Greece too with over 60,s.
Same question, what is wrong with mandatory vaccination?
A lot of things. The salient point however is that it makes it official that the State has autonomy over one's own body, the most scared and personal freedom one can have.
It's been established that vaccines can reduce the impact covid may have on somebody, however being vaccinated (even boostered) is no barrier to catching covid or passing it on. So what public good can the State riding roughshod over personal choice possibly do?Exactly what next once they have control over your body?
You seem to be running scared of my question Costa.
Its been answered- what is wrong with mandatory vaccination is that they remove your basic rights as an individual, you are no longer deemed capable of independent thought or action.
Now, what is the point of forced vaccination if, even being triple jabbed, you can still spread the illness to others?"Where will it end forced abortions if the child will be a burden on the state,not being able to have children if you have a genetic defect? its a slippery slope once you relinquish the rights over your own body. | |||
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"Austria is making it compulsory and Germany now echoing same... think writing is on Wall for team eu. Greece too with over 60,s.
Same question, what is wrong with mandatory vaccination?
A lot of things. The salient point however is that it makes it official that the State has autonomy over one's own body, the most scared and personal freedom one can have.
It's been established that vaccines can reduce the impact covid may have on somebody, however being vaccinated (even boostered) is no barrier to catching covid or passing it on. So what public good can the State riding roughshod over personal choice possibly do?Exactly what next once they have control over your body?
You seem to be running scared of my question Costa.
Its been answered- what is wrong with mandatory vaccination is that they remove your basic rights as an individual, you are no longer deemed capable of independent thought or action.
Now, what is the point of forced vaccination if, even being triple jabbed, you can still spread the illness to others?Where will it end forced abortions if the child will be a burden on the state,not being able to have children if you have a genetic defect? its a slippery slope once you relinquish the rights over your own body."IQ or similar long term contribution testing might be a good idea long term given the burden we humans are on the planet. With increased AI, ML and robotics then there will increasingly less need for those less equipped for the future. Not saying it is right or wrong - just philosophically on a planet with finite resource and exponential depletion - then at some point some tough choices have to be made. | |||
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"Austria is making it compulsory and Germany now echoing same... think writing is on Wall for team eu. Greece too with over 60,s.
Same question, what is wrong with mandatory vaccination?
A lot of things. The salient point however is that it makes it official that the State has autonomy over one's own body, the most scared and personal freedom one can have.
It's been established that vaccines can reduce the impact covid may have on somebody, however being vaccinated (even boostered) is no barrier to catching covid or passing it on. So what public good can the State riding roughshod over personal choice possibly do?Exactly what next once they have control over your body?
You seem to be running scared of my question Costa.
Its been answered- what is wrong with mandatory vaccination is that they remove your basic rights as an individual, you are no longer deemed capable of independent thought or action.
Now, what is the point of forced vaccination if, even being triple jabbed, you can still spread the illness to others?Where will it end forced abortions if the child will be a burden on the state,not being able to have children if you have a genetic defect? its a slippery slope once you relinquish the rights over your own body."still scared i note | |||
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"Austria is making it compulsory and Germany now echoing same... think writing is on Wall for team eu. Greece too with over 60,s.
Same question, what is wrong with mandatory vaccination?
A lot of things. The salient point however is that it makes it official that the State has autonomy over one's own body, the most scared and personal freedom one can have.
It's been established that vaccines can reduce the impact covid may have on somebody, however being vaccinated (even boostered) is no barrier to catching covid or passing it on. So what public good can the State riding roughshod over personal choice possibly do?Exactly what next once they have control over your body?
You seem to be running scared of my question Costa.
Its been answered- what is wrong with mandatory vaccination is that they remove your basic rights as an individual, you are no longer deemed capable of independent thought or action.
Now, what is the point of forced vaccination if, even being triple jabbed, you can still spread the illness to others?Where will it end forced abortions if the child will be a burden on the state,not being able to have children if you have a genetic defect? its a slippery slope once you relinquish the rights over your own body.
IQ or similar long term contribution testing might be a good idea long term given the burden we humans are on the planet. With increased AI, ML and robotics then there will increasingly less need for those less equipped for the future.
Not saying it is right or wrong - just philosophically on a planet with finite resource and exponential depletion - then at some point some tough choices have to be made. "well im glad i wont be around in those days. | |||
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"Austria is making it compulsory and Germany now echoing same... think writing is on Wall for team eu. Greece too with over 60,s.
Same question, what is wrong with mandatory vaccination?
A lot of things. The salient point however is that it makes it official that the State has autonomy over one's own body, the most scared and personal freedom one can have.
It's been established that vaccines can reduce the impact covid may have on somebody, however being vaccinated (even boostered) is no barrier to catching covid or passing it on. So what public good can the State riding roughshod over personal choice possibly do?Exactly what next once they have control over your body?
You seem to be running scared of my question Costa.
Its been answered- what is wrong with mandatory vaccination is that they remove your basic rights as an individual, you are no longer deemed capable of independent thought or action.
Now, what is the point of forced vaccination if, even being triple jabbed, you can still spread the illness to others?Where will it end forced abortions if the child will be a burden on the state,not being able to have children if you have a genetic defect? its a slippery slope once you relinquish the rights over your own body.
IQ or similar long term contribution testing might be a good idea long term given the burden we humans are on the planet. With increased AI, ML and robotics then there will increasingly less need for those less equipped for the future.
Not saying it is right or wrong - just philosophically on a planet with finite resource and exponential depletion - then at some point some tough choices have to be made. "Yep, it will be survival of the fittest | |||
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"How does the EU square this off with the ECHR? There is no mandatory vaccination "in the EU". Individual countries decide. Why the concatenation? There is no link. Did the ECHR when it was drafted contemplate a global pandemic? Did business rates contemplate the advent of Amazon? Hmmm. It's almost as if "events, dear boy,events" happen. "Compulsory vaccination is an interference with the right of bodily integrity, which is apart if the right to private life..." My initial question remains " it’s been a while but the last time I looked, your human rights can be overridden in certain circumstances, and that was included in the legislation. Has anything changed? | |||
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"How does the EU square this off with the ECHR? There is no mandatory vaccination "in the EU". Individual countries decide. Why the concatenation? There is no link. Did the ECHR when it was drafted contemplate a global pandemic? Did business rates contemplate the advent of Amazon? Hmmm. It's almost as if "events, dear boy,events" happen. "Compulsory vaccination is an interference with the right of bodily integrity, which is apart if the right to private life..." My initial question remains it’s been a while but the last time I looked, your human rights can be overridden in certain circumstances, and that was included in the legislation. Has anything changed?" Well it looks like they can well be in Europe im glad i live in a country were the government are a bit more liberal. | |||
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"How does the EU square this off with the ECHR? There is no mandatory vaccination "in the EU". Individual countries decide. Why the concatenation? There is no link. Did the ECHR when it was drafted contemplate a global pandemic? Did business rates contemplate the advent of Amazon? Hmmm. It's almost as if "events, dear boy,events" happen. "Compulsory vaccination is an interference with the right of bodily integrity, which is apart if the right to private life..." My initial question remains it’s been a while but the last time I looked, your human rights can be overridden in certain circumstances, and that was included in the legislation. Has anything changed?Well it looks like they can well be in Europe im glad i live in a country were the government are a bit more liberal. " And award for best comedy post of the day goes to .... | |||
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"Other than ECHR have we even agreed what we all mean by "human rights"? In one sense it is a legal construct that can be changed over time.... " Even the ECHR change the rules to suit. Rights groups have criticised the European Commission after it proposed that three countries sharing a border with Belarus should be allowed to hold people in special asylum processing centres for up to 16 weeks, up from the current maximum of four. Top officials at the EU executive said the emergency measures would give Poland, Lithuania and Latvia the flexibility to deal with an unprecedented situation caused by what the EU calls a hybrid attack from Alexander Lukashenko’s Belarusian regime. | |||
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"Other than ECHR have we even agreed what we all mean by "human rights"? In one sense it is a legal construct that can be changed over time.... Even the ECHR change the rules to suit. Rights groups have criticised the European Commission after it proposed that three countries sharing a border with Belarus should be allowed to hold people in special asylum processing centres for up to 16 weeks, up from the current maximum of four. Top officials at the EU executive said the emergency measures would give Poland, Lithuania and Latvia the flexibility to deal with an unprecedented situation caused by what the EU calls a hybrid attack from Alexander Lukashenko’s Belarusian regime." tbf that's EC not ECHR changing a law. | |||
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"Other than ECHR have we even agreed what we all mean by "human rights"? In one sense it is a legal construct that can be changed over time.... Even the ECHR change the rules to suit. Rights groups have criticised the European Commission after it proposed that three countries sharing a border with Belarus should be allowed to hold people in special asylum processing centres for up to 16 weeks, up from the current maximum of four. Top officials at the EU executive said the emergency measures would give Poland, Lithuania and Latvia the flexibility to deal with an unprecedented situation caused by what the EU calls a hybrid attack from Alexander Lukashenko’s Belarusian regime.tbf that's EC not ECHR changing a law. " Yes sorry you are right its the commission over ruling the European convention. | |||
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"“Well im glad that i dont live in a dictatorship… im glad i live in a country were the government are a bit more liberal” Harry (Lend-Lease) Hopkins said during WWII: “The provisions of the British Constitution and the powers of the War Cabinet are just whatever Winston Churchill wants them to be at any given moment” With the Tories’ absolute majority and servile followers, and using the pre-existing Public Health (Control of Disease Act) 1984 and the draconian Coronavirus Act 2020, he would today say: “… just whatever Boris Johnson wants them to be at any given moment”" Well as i said its a good job we have a liberal leader who does not believe in having to have covid passes to go about everyday life or mandatory covid vaccinations.It sort of backs up what i was saying thanks. | |||
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"Well im glad that i dont live in a dictatorship, i believe everyone should take the vaccine but also dont think that a government should make you freedom of choice still remains in the uk . You actually do live in an elected Dictatorship. The Conservatives can do anything they like until the next election. They could for example if they wanted - make protesting illegal, they could unilaterally strip someone of their nationality, they could raise taxes to their highest level since WW2, and no one could do a thing about it.What so you are saying any government with a healthy majority is a dictatorship? "I guess you are oblivious to what the governments has been doing? Please don't ask me to tell you what because if you don't know what they have done and are planning to do you either don't want to know or you know and are a denier. Tory MPs voting records are a good start if you want to look although some things have been pushed through stealthily. | |||
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"“Well im glad that i dont live in a dictatorship… im glad i live in a country were the government are a bit more liberal” Harry (Lend-Lease) Hopkins said during WWII: “The provisions of the British Constitution and the powers of the War Cabinet are just whatever Winston Churchill wants them to be at any given moment” With the Tories’ absolute majority and servile followers, and using the pre-existing Public Health (Control of Disease Act) 1984 and the draconian Coronavirus Act 2020, he would today say: “… just whatever Boris Johnson wants them to be at any given moment”Well as i said its a good job we have a liberal leader who does not believe in having to have covid passes to go about everyday life or mandatory covid vaccinations.It sort of backs up what i was saying thanks. "Pity we didn't have a leader that will not disenfranchise voters for the crime of not having a passport or driving licence He says what he wants when it suits. Voter fraud has proven to be minimal but the corrupt Tories know it's not their own voters that will be unable to vote through that law despite them being the biggest voting fraudsters in recant times. | |||
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"It's all a bit funny "You can't tell me what to put in my body" Fluoride Chlorine Aluminium Then the stupidity of being that desperate to do a trade deal with the US that you accept the use of antibiotics in animals. " But these are sanctioned by the Brexit Brigade. So all’s good. Everything for the cause and to prove the point we can exercise that sovereignty. | |||
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"It's all a bit funny "You can't tell me what to put in my body" Fluoride Chlorine Aluminium Then the stupidity of being that desperate to do a trade deal with the US that you accept the use of antibiotics in animals. But these are sanctioned by the Brexit Brigade. So all’s good. Everything for the cause and to prove the point we can exercise that sovereignty. "The question was about EU and the ECHR...how has Brexit git involved? | |||
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"It's all a bit funny "You can't tell me what to put in my body" Fluoride Chlorine Aluminium Then the stupidity of being that desperate to do a trade deal with the US that you accept the use of antibiotics in animals. But these are sanctioned by the Brexit Brigade. So all’s good. Everything for the cause and to prove the point we can exercise that sovereignty.
The question was about EU and the ECHR...how has Brexit git involved? "Read the thread then ask FFS. | |||
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"It's all a bit funny "You can't tell me what to put in my body" Fluoride Chlorine Aluminium Then the stupidity of being that desperate to do a trade deal with the US that you accept the use of antibiotics in animals. But these are sanctioned by the Brexit Brigade. So all’s good. Everything for the cause and to prove the point we can exercise that sovereignty.
The question was about EU and the ECHR...how has Brexit git involved?
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"It's all a bit funny "You can't tell me what to put in my body" Fluoride Chlorine Aluminium Then the stupidity of being that desperate to do a trade deal with the US that you accept the use of antibiotics in animals. But these are sanctioned by the Brexit Brigade. So all’s good. Everything for the cause and to prove the point we can exercise that sovereignty.
The question was about EU and the ECHR...how has Brexit git involved?
Read the thread then ask FFS.
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"Well im glad that i dont live in a dictatorship, i believe everyone should take the vaccine but also dont think that a government should make you freedom of choice still remains in the uk . You actually do live in an elected Dictatorship. The Conservatives can do anything they like until the next election. They could for example if they wanted - make protesting illegal, they could unilaterally strip someone of their nationality, they could raise taxes to their highest level since WW2, and no one could do a thing about it. I've heard it all now. Winning a democratic vote to be the government is now a dictatorship.! If that is the case I'm so glad we don't have a JC led dictatorship." When Blair won with even bigger majorities was that also a dictatorship I wonder | |||
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"Every country is now taking Omicron more seriously than the UK government. The UK government's plan is not to prevent or even slow Omicron. It's plan is to say it's inevitable. The EU discusses mandatory vaccinations whilst, in jolly UK-land, the most important thing at the moment, seems to be whether or not the PM had a Christmas Party last year and the rules for Christmas Parties this year!" Exactly it just goes to show what a shit opposition the uk has at the moment that they prefer to put all thier effort into a party last year rather than the current problems. | |||
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"The EU doesn't have competence in this area. It looks like they are trying to use coronavirus as a power grab to extend their power" What a load of tosh! Competence? Power grab? I appreciate that Fabswingers incorporates a lot of fantasies but this is the best one yet! What would the EU power grab? The EU is not a country! Pethaps the UK goverment is correct to concentrate on Christmas whilst adults look after the World. | |||
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"The EU doesn't have competence in this area. It looks like they are trying to use coronavirus as a power grab to extend their power What a load of tosh! Competence? Power grab? I appreciate that Fabswingers incorporates a lot of fantasies but this is the best one yet! What would the EU power grab? The EU is not a country! Pethaps the UK goverment is correct to concentrate on Christmas whilst adults look after the World." In what sense is it 'tosh'? | |||
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"The EU doesn't have competence in this area. It looks like they are trying to use coronavirus as a power grab to extend their power What a load of tosh! Competence? Power grab? I appreciate that Fabswingers incorporates a lot of fantasies but this is the best one yet! What would the EU power grab? The EU is not a country! Pethaps the UK goverment is correct to concentrate on Christmas whilst adults look after the World. In what sense is it 'tosh'?" Merry Christmas - enjoy your office party. | |||
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"The EU doesn't have competence in this area. It looks like they are trying to use coronavirus as a power grab to extend their power What a load of tosh! Competence? Power grab? I appreciate that Fabswingers incorporates a lot of fantasies but this is the best one yet! What would the EU power grab? The EU is not a country! Pethaps the UK goverment is correct to concentrate on Christmas whilst adults look after the World. In what sense is it 'tosh'? Merry Christmas - enjoy your office party." No explanation then | |||
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"The EU doesn't have competence in this area. It looks like they are trying to use coronavirus as a power grab to extend their power What a load of tosh! Competence? Power grab? I appreciate that Fabswingers incorporates a lot of fantasies but this is the best one yet! What would the EU power grab? The EU is not a country! Pethaps the UK goverment is correct to concentrate on Christmas whilst adults look after the World. In what sense is it 'tosh'? Merry Christmas - enjoy your office party. No explanation then "Obviously a waste of my time. | |||
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"The EU doesn't have competence in this area. It looks like they are trying to use coronavirus as a power grab to extend their power What a load of tosh! Competence? Power grab? I appreciate that Fabswingers incorporates a lot of fantasies but this is the best one yet! What would the EU power grab? The EU is not a country! Pethaps the UK goverment is correct to concentrate on Christmas whilst adults look after the World. In what sense is it 'tosh'? Merry Christmas - enjoy your office party. No explanation then
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"The EU doesn't have competence in this area. It looks like they are trying to use coronavirus as a power grab to extend their power What a load of tosh! Competence? Power grab? I appreciate that Fabswingers incorporates a lot of fantasies but this is the best one yet! What would the EU power grab? The EU is not a country! Pethaps the UK goverment is correct to concentrate on Christmas whilst adults look after the World. In what sense is it 'tosh'? Merry Christmas - enjoy your office party. No explanation then
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Is that because you can't explain?"it's not tosh per se... Just project fear  is there anything to support claims this is going on? | |||
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"The EU doesn't have competence in this area. It looks like they are trying to use coronavirus as a power grab to extend their power What a load of tosh! Competence? Power grab? I appreciate that Fabswingers incorporates a lot of fantasies but this is the best one yet! What would the EU power grab? The EU is not a country! Pethaps the UK goverment is correct to concentrate on Christmas whilst adults look after the World. In what sense is it 'tosh'? Merry Christmas - enjoy your office party. No explanation then
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Is that because you can't explain?it's not tosh per se... Just project fear is there anything to support claims this is going on?"Yes. Van Der Leyen has said the EU should control the EU-wide response. As the EU doesn't have competence in this area it's reasonable to assume it wants to take on that competence. The handing over of competences takes power from the member state | |||
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"How does the EU square this off with the ECHR? There is no mandatory vaccination "in the EU". Individual countries decide. Why the concatenation? There is no link. Did the ECHR when it was drafted contemplate a global pandemic? Did business rates contemplate the advent of Amazon? Hmmm. It's almost as if "events, dear boy,events" happen. "Compulsory vaccination is an interference with the right of bodily integrity, which is apart if the right to private life..." My initial question remains it’s been a while but the last time I looked, your human rights can be overridden in certain circumstances, and that was included in the legislation. Has anything changed?Well it looks like they can well be in Europe im glad i live in a country were the government are a bit more liberal. " I agree, eu only has 24 bame meps, the figure dropped by 20% when uk left. thats how liberal they are! Lots of talk but in reality...... | |||
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"The EU doesn't have competence in this area. It looks like they are trying to use coronavirus as a power grab to extend their power What a load of tosh! Competence? Power grab? I appreciate that Fabswingers incorporates a lot of fantasies but this is the best one yet! What would the EU power grab? The EU is not a country! Pethaps the UK goverment is correct to concentrate on Christmas whilst adults look after the World. In what sense is it 'tosh'?" The EU have not 'grabbed' any power. Are you able to explain what the EU has actually done to justify the allegation? | |||
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"How does the EU square this off with the ECHR? There is no mandatory vaccination "in the EU". Individual countries decide. Why the concatenation? There is no link. Did the ECHR when it was drafted contemplate a global pandemic? Did business rates contemplate the advent of Amazon? Hmmm. It's almost as if "events, dear boy,events" happen. "Compulsory vaccination is an interference with the right of bodily integrity, which is apart if the right to private life..." My initial question remains " The EU is not making vaccination compulsory so they do not have to square anything. Your initial question moot Individual countries would have to because it is their responsibility. Is that confusing? As an interesting footnote, the UK doesn't want the ECHR at all anymore to cramp it's style. | |||
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"The EU doesn't have competence in this area. It looks like they are trying to use coronavirus as a power grab to extend their power What a load of tosh! Competence? Power grab? I appreciate that Fabswingers incorporates a lot of fantasies but this is the best one yet! What would the EU power grab? The EU is not a country! Pethaps the UK goverment is correct to concentrate on Christmas whilst adults look after the World. In what sense is it 'tosh'? Merry Christmas - enjoy your office party. No explanation then
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Is that because you can't explain?it's not tosh per se... Just project fear is there anything to support claims this is going on?
Yes. Van Der Leyen has said the EU should control the EU-wide response. As the EU doesn't have competence in this area it's reasonable to assume it wants to take on that competence.
The handing over of competences takes power from the member state"Interesting. When and where? “We have the vaccines, the life-saving vaccines, but they are not being used adequately everywhere. And this costs … This is an enormous health cost coming along. One-third of the European population is not vaccinated … not each and every one can be vaccinated – children, for example, or people with special medical conditions – but the vast majority could. How we can encourage and potentially think about mandatory vaccination within the European Union, this needs discussion. This needs a common approach, but it is a discussion that I think has to be met. Scientists tell us we have to do everything possible to make the best out of the time we have till we have certainty about the characteristics of transmissibility and severity of Omicron. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best. Over the last couple of weeks, many of us have witnessed it firsthand: Covid 19 has resurged infecting some of our close friends, co-workers, family members or loved ones. The rapidly increasing case numbers are putting an increasingly heavy strain on our hospitals and health workers. On top the arrival of the presumably highly contiguous Omicron variant calls for our utmost attention.” | |||
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"How does the EU square this off with the ECHR? " So, the EU has not imposed anything so do not have to 'square' anything. Individual countries that choose to impose vaccination of their own accord have this ECHR ruling as a guide: https://www.euronews.com/2021/04/13/how-a-court-ruling-lays-the-ground-for-mandatory-covid-19-vaccination "Thus, where the view was taken that a policy of voluntary vaccination was not sufficient to achieve and maintain herd immunity, the national authorities could reasonably introduce a compulsory vaccination policy in order to achieve an appropriate level of protection against serious diseases," "Vaccination protects both those who receive it and also those who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons and are therefore reliant on herd immunity for protection against serious contagious diseases," The ruling was decided by the ECHR's Grand Chamber, which makes it final and prevents the applicants from appealing any further. That doesn't make compulsory COVID vaccination 'OK', it sets the balance between individual freedom and responsibility to the society in which people live. The individual is free to commit murder, but society doesn't like it. How different is that to the individual being free to spread disease and fill emergency beds, but society not liking it? Individual states decide. | |||
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"The EU doesn't have competence in this area. It looks like they are trying to use coronavirus as a power grab to extend their power What a load of tosh! Competence? Power grab? I appreciate that Fabswingers incorporates a lot of fantasies but this is the best one yet! What would the EU power grab? The EU is not a country! Pethaps the UK goverment is correct to concentrate on Christmas whilst adults look after the World. In what sense is it 'tosh'? The EU have not 'grabbed' any power. Are you able to explain what the EU has actually done to justify the allegation?" I said they are attempting a power grab, not that they had already succeeded | |||
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"The EU doesn't have competence in this area. It looks like they are trying to use coronavirus as a power grab to extend their power What a load of tosh! Competence? Power grab? I appreciate that Fabswingers incorporates a lot of fantasies but this is the best one yet! What would the EU power grab? The EU is not a country! Pethaps the UK goverment is correct to concentrate on Christmas whilst adults look after the World. In what sense is it 'tosh'? The EU have not 'grabbed' any power. Are you able to explain what the EU has actually done to justify the allegation? I said they are attempting a power grab, not that they had already succeeded" More a power creep..... slow manipulation of the landscape... well thats what political parties within eu think | |||
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"The EU doesn't have competence in this area. It looks like they are trying to use coronavirus as a power grab to extend their power What a load of tosh! Competence? Power grab? I appreciate that Fabswingers incorporates a lot of fantasies but this is the best one yet! What would the EU power grab? The EU is not a country! Pethaps the UK goverment is correct to concentrate on Christmas whilst adults look after the World. In what sense is it 'tosh'? The EU have not 'grabbed' any power. Are you able to explain what the EU has actually done to justify the allegation? I said they are attempting a power grab, not that they had already succeeded" What 'attempt'? What has been said or done to vaguely justify this? The only suggestion was that member states consider the matter seriously and speak to each other about it. I've quoted you most of what was said by Van der Leyen. Have you anything different? Even the OP is off the mark in many ways, so it ends up as bashing the EU (of which we are not a member) for no valid reason. What for? | |||
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"The EU doesn't have competence in this area. It looks like they are trying to use coronavirus as a power grab to extend their power What a load of tosh! Competence? Power grab? I appreciate that Fabswingers incorporates a lot of fantasies but this is the best one yet! What would the EU power grab? The EU is not a country! Pethaps the UK goverment is correct to concentrate on Christmas whilst adults look after the World. In what sense is it 'tosh'? The EU have not 'grabbed' any power. Are you able to explain what the EU has actually done to justify the allegation? I said they are attempting a power grab, not that they had already succeeded What 'attempt'? What has been said or done to vaguely justify this? The only suggestion was that member states consider the matter seriously and speak to each other about it. I've quoted you most of what was said by Van der Leyen. Have you anything different? Even the OP is off the mark in many ways, so it ends up as bashing the EU (of which we are not a member) for no valid reason. What for?" It’s all ‘they have, it has now become obvious that Brexit is a disaster so the only way to justify leaving the EU is to continue to blame them for everything , I just wish they would move on, they ‘won’ , concentrate on the solving the Brexit turd , get on with it | |||
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"The EU doesn't have competence in this area. It looks like they are trying to use coronavirus as a power grab to extend their power What a load of tosh! Competence? Power grab? I appreciate that Fabswingers incorporates a lot of fantasies but this is the best one yet! What would the EU power grab? The EU is not a country! Pethaps the UK goverment is correct to concentrate on Christmas whilst adults look after the World. In what sense is it 'tosh'? The EU have not 'grabbed' any power. Are you able to explain what the EU has actually done to justify the allegation? I said they are attempting a power grab, not that they had already succeeded What 'attempt'? What has been said or done to vaguely justify this? The only suggestion was that member states consider the matter seriously and speak to each other about it. I've quoted you most of what was said by Van der Leyen. Have you anything different? Even the OP is off the mark in many ways, so it ends up as bashing the EU (of which we are not a member) for no valid reason. What for? It’s all ‘they have, it has now become obvious that Brexit is a disaster so the only way to justify leaving the EU is to continue to blame them for everything , I just wish they would move on, they ‘won’ , concentrate on the solving the Brexit turd , get on with it "Don't forget that Remainers and Corbyn are to blame for this mess. Although it's not a mess because brexit is great! Lol. | |||
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"The EU doesn't have competence in this area. It looks like they are trying to use coronavirus as a power grab to extend their power What a load of tosh! Competence? Power grab? I appreciate that Fabswingers incorporates a lot of fantasies but this is the best one yet! What would the EU power grab? The EU is not a country! Pethaps the UK goverment is correct to concentrate on Christmas whilst adults look after the World. In what sense is it 'tosh'? The EU have not 'grabbed' any power. Are you able to explain what the EU has actually done to justify the allegation? I said they are attempting a power grab, not that they had already succeeded What 'attempt'? What has been said or done to vaguely justify this? The only suggestion was that member states consider the matter seriously and speak to each other about it. I've quoted you most of what was said by Van der Leyen. Have you anything different? Even the OP is off the mark in many ways, so it ends up as bashing the EU (of which we are not a member) for no valid reason. What for? It’s all ‘they have, it has now become obvious that Brexit is a disaster so the only way to justify leaving the EU is to continue to blame them for everything , I just wish they would move on, they ‘won’ , concentrate on the solving the Brexit turd , get on with it
Don't forget that Remainers and Corbyn are to blame for this mess. Although it's not a mess because brexit is great!
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"The EU doesn't have competence in this area. It looks like they are trying to use coronavirus as a power grab to extend their power What a load of tosh! Competence? Power grab? I appreciate that Fabswingers incorporates a lot of fantasies but this is the best one yet! What would the EU power grab? The EU is not a country! Pethaps the UK goverment is correct to concentrate on Christmas whilst adults look after the World. In what sense is it 'tosh'? The EU have not 'grabbed' any power. Are you able to explain what the EU has actually done to justify the allegation? I said they are attempting a power grab, not that they had already succeeded What 'attempt'? What has been said or done to vaguely justify this? The only suggestion was that member states consider the matter seriously and speak to each other about it. I've quoted you most of what was said by Van der Leyen. Have you anything different? Even the OP is off the mark in many ways, so it ends up as bashing the EU (of which we are not a member) for no valid reason. What for? It’s all ‘they have, it has now become obvious that Brexit is a disaster so the only way to justify leaving the EU is to continue to blame them for everything , I just wish they would move on, they ‘won’ , concentrate on the solving the Brexit turd , get on with it " ive heard it all now people who constantly bang on about brexit and blame it on everything telling people to move on. you couldn't make it up. | |||
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"The EU doesn't have competence in this area. It looks like they are trying to use coronavirus as a power grab to extend their power What a load of tosh! Competence? Power grab? I appreciate that Fabswingers incorporates a lot of fantasies but this is the best one yet! What would the EU power grab? The EU is not a country! Pethaps the UK goverment is correct to concentrate on Christmas whilst adults look after the World. In what sense is it 'tosh'? The EU have not 'grabbed' any power. Are you able to explain what the EU has actually done to justify the allegation? I said they are attempting a power grab, not that they had already succeeded What 'attempt'? What has been said or done to vaguely justify this? The only suggestion was that member states consider the matter seriously and speak to each other about it. I've quoted you most of what was said by Van der Leyen. Have you anything different? Even the OP is off the mark in many ways, so it ends up as bashing the EU (of which we are not a member) for no valid reason. What for? It’s all ‘they have, it has now become obvious that Brexit is a disaster so the only way to justify leaving the EU is to continue to blame them for everything , I just wish they would move on, they ‘won’ , concentrate on the solving the Brexit turd , get on with it ive heard it all now people who constantly bang on about brexit and blame it on everything telling people to move on. you couldn't make it up."Ever thought they are ironically repeating the oft used mantra of the Brexitter brigade? | |||
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"The EU doesn't have competence in this area. It looks like they are trying to use coronavirus as a power grab to extend their power What a load of tosh! Competence? Power grab? I appreciate that Fabswingers incorporates a lot of fantasies but this is the best one yet! What would the EU power grab? The EU is not a country! Pethaps the UK goverment is correct to concentrate on Christmas whilst adults look after the World. In what sense is it 'tosh'? The EU have not 'grabbed' any power. Are you able to explain what the EU has actually done to justify the allegation? I said they are attempting a power grab, not that they had already succeeded What 'attempt'? What has been said or done to vaguely justify this? The only suggestion was that member states consider the matter seriously and speak to each other about it. I've quoted you most of what was said by Van der Leyen. Have you anything different? Even the OP is off the mark in many ways, so it ends up as bashing the EU (of which we are not a member) for no valid reason. What for? It’s all ‘they have, it has now become obvious that Brexit is a disaster so the only way to justify leaving the EU is to continue to blame them for everything , I just wish they would move on, they ‘won’ , concentrate on the solving the Brexit turd , get on with it ive heard it all now people who constantly bang on about brexit and blame it on everything telling people to move on. you couldn't make it up.
Ever thought they are ironically repeating the oft used mantra of the Brexitter brigade?"It went straight over his head | |||
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"The EU doesn't have competence in this area. It looks like they are trying to use coronavirus as a power grab to extend their power What a load of tosh! Competence? Power grab? I appreciate that Fabswingers incorporates a lot of fantasies but this is the best one yet! What would the EU power grab? The EU is not a country! Pethaps the UK goverment is correct to concentrate on Christmas whilst adults look after the World. In what sense is it 'tosh'? The EU have not 'grabbed' any power. Are you able to explain what the EU has actually done to justify the allegation? I said they are attempting a power grab, not that they had already succeeded What 'attempt'? What has been said or done to vaguely justify this? The only suggestion was that member states consider the matter seriously and speak to each other about it. I've quoted you most of what was said by Van der Leyen. Have you anything different? Even the OP is off the mark in many ways, so it ends up as bashing the EU (of which we are not a member) for no valid reason. What for? It’s all ‘they have, it has now become obvious that Brexit is a disaster so the only way to justify leaving the EU is to continue to blame them for everything , I just wish they would move on, they ‘won’ , concentrate on the solving the Brexit turd , get on with it ive heard it all now people who constantly bang on about brexit and blame it on everything telling people to move on. you couldn't make it up.
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"How does the EU square this off with the ECHR? " How does the UK Government square this for the mandatory vaccination of NHS and Social Care staff? | |||
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"How does the EU square this off with the ECHR? How does the UK Government square this for the mandatory vaccination of NHS and Social Care staff?" Either Corbyn, The EU, or Remainers. Absolutely nothing to do with the current infallible government.
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