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"The RNLI reported to the Police that their boat in Hastings was prevented from attending an emergency at sea by local fishermen trying to stop them rescuing drowning migrants. This is really disturbing on so many levels. Even in wartime, soldiers, sailors and airmen neutralise targets, but still look to save life when they can. Wilfully acting in a way that will likely make people drown at sea is just sick. Irrespective of politics, it is just sick." News link ? | |||
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"The RNLI reported to the Police that their boat in Hastings was prevented from attending an emergency at sea by local fishermen trying to stop them rescuing drowning migrants. This is really disturbing on so many levels. Even in wartime, soldiers, sailors and airmen neutralise targets, but still look to save life when they can. Wilfully acting in a way that will likely make people drown at sea is just sick. Irrespective of politics, it is just sick. News link ?" It's reported in the Mirror and Observer. | |||
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"There was heated words between a fisherman and a member of the RNLI crew about the manner of the launch, and at no time did "fishermen" stop the launch. Abuse about actually the reason for the launch came from a paaser-by, reported to be a lorry driver. There was no suggestion that any migrant was drowning, more a call to assist. " Wtf has it got to do with a fisherman or a passer by ? They are obviously morons | |||
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"There was heated words between a fisherman and a member of the RNLI crew about the manner of the launch, and at no time did "fishermen" stop the launch. Abuse about actually the reason for the launch came from a paaser-by, reported to be a lorry driver. There was no suggestion that any migrant was drowning, more a call to assist. " Source? | |||
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"There was heated words between a fisherman and a member of the RNLI crew about the manner of the launch, and at no time did "fishermen" stop the launch. Abuse about actually the reason for the launch came from a paaser-by, reported to be a lorry driver. There was no suggestion that any migrant was drowning, more a call to assist. Source?" Hastings and St Leonards Oberver | |||
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"There was heated words between a fisherman and a member of the RNLI crew about the manner of the launch, and at no time did "fishermen" stop the launch. Abuse about actually the reason for the launch came from a paaser-by, reported to be a lorry driver. There was no suggestion that any migrant was drowning, more a call to assist. Source? Hastings and St Leonards Oberver " Why are passers by and fisherman abusing RNLI staff ? They should keep their noses out | |||
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"There was heated words between a fisherman and a member of the RNLI crew about the manner of the launch, and at no time did "fishermen" stop the launch. Abuse about actually the reason for the launch came from a paaser-by, reported to be a lorry driver. There was no suggestion that any migrant was drowning, more a call to assist. Source? Hastings and St Leonards Oberver Why are passers by and fisherman abusing RNLI staff ? They should keep their noses out " In all fairness if you are going to say that, you shouldn't be getting involved on here about it then. | |||
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"There was heated words between a fisherman and a member of the RNLI crew about the manner of the launch, and at no time did "fishermen" stop the launch. Abuse about actually the reason for the launch came from a paaser-by, reported to be a lorry driver. There was no suggestion that any migrant was drowning, more a call to assist. Source? Hastings and St Leonards Oberver Why are passers by and fisherman abusing RNLI staff ? They should keep their noses out In all fairness if you are going to say that, you shouldn't be getting involved on here about it then." What are you taking about? Do you support these morons | |||
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"There was heated words between a fisherman and a member of the RNLI crew about the manner of the launch, and at no time did "fishermen" stop the launch. Abuse about actually the reason for the launch came from a paaser-by, reported to be a lorry driver. There was no suggestion that any migrant was drowning, more a call to assist. Source? Hastings and St Leonards Oberver Why are passers by and fisherman abusing RNLI staff ? They should keep their noses out In all fairness if you are going to say that, you shouldn't be getting involved on here about it then. What are you taking about? Do you support these morons " You said 'should keep their noses out' but you are on here talking about it. It's like you don't have to do what you tell others to do. | |||
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"This is what was reported: Zoe, from Hastings, calling into James O’Brien’s LBC radio show on Thursday, said she witnessed the group blocking the lifeboat. She said they shouted: “‘Don’t bring any more of those home, we’re full up, that’s why we stopped our donations,’ and that kind of really horrible stuff." One person's view of what happened. Some people on here would be right behind those blocking the lifeboat. " I would like to think that only the very, very tiniest minority of truly extremist fruitcakes could agree with this kind of moronic behaviour. | |||
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"There was heated words between a fisherman and a member of the RNLI crew about the manner of the launch, and at no time did "fishermen" stop the launch. Abuse about actually the reason for the launch came from a paaser-by, reported to be a lorry driver. There was no suggestion that any migrant was drowning, more a call to assist. Source? Hastings and St Leonards Oberver Why are passers by and fisherman abusing RNLI staff ? They should keep their noses out In all fairness if you are going to say that, you shouldn't be getting involved on here about it then. What are you taking about? Do you support these morons You said 'should keep their noses out' but you are on here talking about it. It's like you don't have to do what you tell others to do." PMSL, | |||
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"Is it their legal right to protest?" Protest about what? | |||
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"Is it their legal right to protest? Protest about what? " Whatever it is they don't agree with. | |||
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"Is it their legal right to protest? Protest about what? Whatever it is they don't agree with." Stopping brown people from drowning. | |||
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"This is what was reported: Zoe, from Hastings, calling into James O’Brien’s LBC radio show on Thursday, said she witnessed the group blocking the lifeboat. She said they shouted: “‘Don’t bring any more of those home, we’re full up, that’s why we stopped our donations,’ and that kind of really horrible stuff." One person's view of what happened. Some people on here would be right behind those blocking the lifeboat. I would like to think that only the very, very tiniest minority of truly extremist fruitcakes could agree with this kind of moronic behaviour. " One of the "foreigners-out" threads had people laughing and joking about the corpses. | |||
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"Is it their legal right to protest? Protest about what? Whatever it is they don't agree with." Depends what the reason is, I am sure any right to protest is invalid if you abuse the emergency services | |||
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"There was heated words between a fisherman and a member of the RNLI crew about the manner of the launch, and at no time did "fishermen" stop the launch. Abuse about actually the reason for the launch came from a paaser-by, reported to be a lorry driver. There was no suggestion that any migrant was drowning, more a call to assist. Source? Hastings and St Leonards Oberver " Can you provide quotes because that's not what was in the other papers. | |||
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"There was heated words between a fisherman and a member of the RNLI crew about the manner of the launch, and at no time did "fishermen" stop the launch. Abuse about actually the reason for the launch came from a paaser-by, reported to be a lorry driver. There was no suggestion that any migrant was drowning, more a call to assist. Source? Hastings and St Leonards Oberver Can you provide quotes because that's not what was in the other papers." And it isn’t what the RNLI are reporting | |||
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"Is it their legal right to protest? Protest about what? Whatever it is they don't agree with." Climate protests slow an ambulance down "Lock 'em up" Bunch of alleged fishermen try to stop a life boat getting launched "Don't they have a right to protest?" BOTH are emergency vehicles. | |||
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"There was heated words between a fisherman and a member of the RNLI crew about the manner of the launch, and at no time did "fishermen" stop the launch. Abuse about actually the reason for the launch came from a paaser-by, reported to be a lorry driver. There was no suggestion that any migrant was drowning, more a call to assist. Source? Hastings and St Leonards Oberver Can you provide quotes because that's not what was in the other papers." Posted on their online edition at 14.52 today. | |||
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"There was heated words between a fisherman and a member of the RNLI crew about the manner of the launch, and at no time did "fishermen" stop the launch. Abuse about actually the reason for the launch came from a paaser-by, reported to be a lorry driver. There was no suggestion that any migrant was drowning, more a call to assist. Source? Hastings and St Leonards Oberver Can you provide quotes because that's not what was in the other papers. Posted on their online edition at 14.52 today. " Yet as stated above, it's not what the RNLI are reporting, LBC are reporting and the Argus are reporting. Is anyone justified in preventing the launch of a lifeboat when the RNLI think it necessary? | |||
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"There was heated words between a fisherman and a member of the RNLI crew about the manner of the launch, and at no time did "fishermen" stop the launch. Abuse about actually the reason for the launch came from a paaser-by, reported to be a lorry driver. There was no suggestion that any migrant was drowning, more a call to assist. Source? Hastings and St Leonards Oberver Can you provide quotes because that's not what was in the other papers. Posted on their online edition at 14.52 today. " The RNLI have confirmed that a group of people tried to stop a rescue boat from being launched abs the police were called . Why are you trying to defend this? | |||
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"Is it their legal right to protest? Protest about what? Whatever it is they don't agree with. Climate protests slow an ambulance down "Lock 'em up" Bunch of alleged fishermen try to stop a life boat getting launched "Don't they have a right to protest?" BOTH are emergency vehicles. " It was just a question sweetheart. If you don't know the answer, it's ok to say "I don't know" or just not answer at all.  | |||
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"Is it their legal right to protest? Protest about what? Whatever it is they don't agree with. Climate protests slow an ambulance down "Lock 'em up" Bunch of alleged fishermen try to stop a life boat getting launched "Don't they have a right to protest?" BOTH are emergency vehicles. It was just a question sweetheart. If you don't know the answer, it's ok to say "I don't know" or just not answer at all. "Handily you provided a great example of the double think the right in this country indulge in, well done you | |||
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"Is it their legal right to protest? Protest about what? Whatever it is they don't agree with. Climate protests slow an ambulance down "Lock 'em up" Bunch of alleged fishermen try to stop a life boat getting launched "Don't they have a right to protest?" BOTH are emergency vehicles. It was just a question sweetheart. If you don't know the answer, it's ok to say "I don't know" or just not answer at all. "They have no right to protest if it involves obstruction of the emergency services, hope that helps | |||
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"There was heated words between a fisherman and a member of the RNLI crew about the manner of the launch, and at no time did "fishermen" stop the launch. Abuse about actually the reason for the launch came from a paaser-by, reported to be a lorry driver. There was no suggestion that any migrant was drowning, more a call to assist. Source? Hastings and St Leonards Oberver Can you provide quotes because that's not what was in the other papers. Posted on their online edition at 14.52 today. The RNLI have confirmed that a group of people tried to stop a rescue boat from being launched abs the police were called . Why are you trying to defend this? " Point to the place where I'm trying to defend it? I'm trying to establish the facts, rather tban just take one side of the story. | |||
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"There was heated words between a fisherman and a member of the RNLI crew about the manner of the launch, and at no time did "fishermen" stop the launch. Abuse about actually the reason for the launch came from a paaser-by, reported to be a lorry driver. There was no suggestion that any migrant was drowning, more a call to assist. Source? Hastings and St Leonards Oberver Can you provide quotes because that's not what was in the other papers. Posted on their online edition at 14.52 today. The RNLI have confirmed that a group of people tried to stop a rescue boat from being launched abs the police were called . Why are you trying to defend this? Point to the place where I'm trying to defend it? I'm trying to establish the facts, rather tban just take one side of the story. " Fair enough, are you disputing that people tried to obstruct the the boat and the police were called ? | |||
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"Is it their legal right to protest? Protest about what? Whatever it is they don't agree with. Climate protests slow an ambulance down "Lock 'em up" Bunch of alleged fishermen try to stop a life boat getting launched "Don't they have a right to protest?" BOTH are emergency vehicles. It was just a question sweetheart. If you don't know the answer, it's ok to say "I don't know" or just not answer at all.
They have no right to protest if it involves obstruction of the emergency services, hope that helps "Thank you for a sensible answer. If only other posters could respond as succinctly and not get their fallopians in a twist, this forum would be a much more welcoming environment. | |||
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"There was heated words between a fisherman and a member of the RNLI crew about the manner of the launch, and at no time did "fishermen" stop the launch. Abuse about actually the reason for the launch came from a paaser-by, reported to be a lorry driver. There was no suggestion that any migrant was drowning, more a call to assist. Source? Hastings and St Leonards Oberver Can you provide quotes because that's not what was in the other papers. Posted on their online edition at 14.52 today. The RNLI have confirmed that a group of people tried to stop a rescue boat from being launched abs the police were called . Why are you trying to defend this? Point to the place where I'm trying to defend it? I'm trying to establish the facts, rather tban just take one side of the story. Fair enough, are you disputing that people tried to obstruct the the boat and the police were called ? " The short piece of video i've seen just shows some abuse. The statement that I saw earlier, just said that "the RNLI confirm that an incident took place and that the police were called". I'm sure that now the mainstream media have picked up on it, then further statements will be forthcoming. Local news is always my go to on events like this, and I was reporting on the latest version. | |||
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"There was heated words between a fisherman and a member of the RNLI crew about the manner of the launch, and at no time did "fishermen" stop the launch. Abuse about actually the reason for the launch came from a paaser-by, reported to be a lorry driver. There was no suggestion that any migrant was drowning, more a call to assist. Source? Hastings and St Leonards Oberver Can you provide quotes because that's not what was in the other papers. Posted on their online edition at 14.52 today. The RNLI have confirmed that a group of people tried to stop a rescue boat from being launched abs the police were called . Why are you trying to defend this? Point to the place where I'm trying to defend it? I'm trying to establish the facts, rather tban just take one side of the story. Fair enough, are you disputing that people tried to obstruct the the boat and the police were called ? The short piece of video i've seen just shows some abuse. The statement that I saw earlier, just said that "the RNLI confirm that an incident took place and that the police were called". I'm sure that now the mainstream media have picked up on it, then further statements will be forthcoming. Local news is always my go to on events like this, and I was reporting on the latest version. " Again, fair enough, none of this looks good wether it was verbal abuse or physically trying to stop the boat, these people are morons | |||
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"There was heated words between a fisherman and a member of the RNLI crew about the manner of the launch, and at no time did "fishermen" stop the launch. Abuse about actually the reason for the launch came from a paaser-by, reported to be a lorry driver. There was no suggestion that any migrant was drowning, more a call to assist. Source? Hastings and St Leonards Oberver Can you provide quotes because that's not what was in the other papers. Posted on their online edition at 14.52 today. The RNLI have confirmed that a group of people tried to stop a rescue boat from being launched abs the police were called . Why are you trying to defend this? Point to the place where I'm trying to defend it? I'm trying to establish the facts, rather tban just take one side of the story. Fair enough, are you disputing that people tried to obstruct the the boat and the police were called ? The short piece of video i've seen just shows some abuse. The statement that I saw earlier, just said that "the RNLI confirm that an incident took place and that the police were called". I'm sure that now the mainstream media have picked up on it, then further statements will be forthcoming. Local news is always my go to on events like this, and I was reporting on the latest version. Again, fair enough, none of this looks good wether it was verbal abuse or physically trying to stop the boat, these people are morons " So there we are then. Anyone wishing to come to the UK from wherever by dubious means is good and to be lauded. Anyone from the UK that questions this or the challenges faced, are racist morons. On a separate note, I would never donate to the RNLI. They are awash with money and a rotten organisation at the top. At local level, great people being badly led. | |||
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"There was heated words between a fisherman and a member of the RNLI crew about the manner of the launch, and at no time did "fishermen" stop the launch. Abuse about actually the reason for the launch came from a paaser-by, reported to be a lorry driver. There was no suggestion that any migrant was drowning, more a call to assist. Source? Hastings and St Leonards Oberver Can you provide quotes because that's not what was in the other papers. Posted on their online edition at 14.52 today. The RNLI have confirmed that a group of people tried to stop a rescue boat from being launched abs the police were called . Why are you trying to defend this? Point to the place where I'm trying to defend it? I'm trying to establish the facts, rather tban just take one side of the story. Fair enough, are you disputing that people tried to obstruct the the boat and the police were called ? The short piece of video i've seen just shows some abuse. The statement that I saw earlier, just said that "the RNLI confirm that an incident took place and that the police were called". I'm sure that now the mainstream media have picked up on it, then further statements will be forthcoming. Local news is always my go to on events like this, and I was reporting on the latest version. Again, fair enough, none of this looks good wether it was verbal abuse or physically trying to stop the boat, these people are morons " The last series of the excellent "Saving Lives At Sea" has footage of a migrant boat rescue. On return, they got abuse from a small group of people. Fortunately, the vast majority of people have more empathy. | |||
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"There was heated words between a fisherman and a member of the RNLI crew about the manner of the launch, and at no time did "fishermen" stop the launch. Abuse about actually the reason for the launch came from a paaser-by, reported to be a lorry driver. There was no suggestion that any migrant was drowning, more a call to assist. Source? Hastings and St Leonards Oberver Can you provide quotes because that's not what was in the other papers. Posted on their online edition at 14.52 today. The RNLI have confirmed that a group of people tried to stop a rescue boat from being launched abs the police were called . Why are you trying to defend this? Point to the place where I'm trying to defend it? I'm trying to establish the facts, rather tban just take one side of the story. Fair enough, are you disputing that people tried to obstruct the the boat and the police were called ? The short piece of video i've seen just shows some abuse. The statement that I saw earlier, just said that "the RNLI confirm that an incident took place and that the police were called". I'm sure that now the mainstream media have picked up on it, then further statements will be forthcoming. Local news is always my go to on events like this, and I was reporting on the latest version. Again, fair enough, none of this looks good wether it was verbal abuse or physically trying to stop the boat, these people are morons So there we are then. Anyone wishing to come to the UK from wherever by dubious means is good and to be lauded. Anyone from the UK that questions this or the challenges faced, are racist morons. On a separate note, I would never donate to the RNLI. They are awash with money and a rotten organisation at the top. At local level, great people being badly led." What? Who called them racist? Btw, I will now donate extra to the RNLI  | |||
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"There was heated words between a fisherman and a member of the RNLI crew about the manner of the launch, and at no time did "fishermen" stop the launch. Abuse about actually the reason for the launch came from a paaser-by, reported to be a lorry driver. There was no suggestion that any migrant was drowning, more a call to assist. Source? Hastings and St Leonards Oberver Can you provide quotes because that's not what was in the other papers. Posted on their online edition at 14.52 today. The RNLI have confirmed that a group of people tried to stop a rescue boat from being launched abs the police were called . Why are you trying to defend this? Point to the place where I'm trying to defend it? I'm trying to establish the facts, rather tban just take one side of the story. Fair enough, are you disputing that people tried to obstruct the the boat and the police were called ? The short piece of video i've seen just shows some abuse. The statement that I saw earlier, just said that "the RNLI confirm that an incident took place and that the police were called". I'm sure that now the mainstream media have picked up on it, then further statements will be forthcoming. Local news is always my go to on events like this, and I was reporting on the latest version. Again, fair enough, none of this looks good wether it was verbal abuse or physically trying to stop the boat, these people are morons The last series of the excellent "Saving Lives At Sea" has footage of a migrant boat rescue. On return, they got abuse from a small group of people. Fortunately, the vast majority of people have more empathy. " Good to hear, I am glad the majority are shaming the moronic minority | |||
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"There was heated words between a fisherman and a member of the RNLI crew about the manner of the launch, and at no time did "fishermen" stop the launch. Abuse about actually the reason for the launch came from a paaser-by, reported to be a lorry driver. There was no suggestion that any migrant was drowning, more a call to assist. Source? Hastings and St Leonards Oberver Can you provide quotes because that's not what was in the other papers. Posted on their online edition at 14.52 today. The RNLI have confirmed that a group of people tried to stop a rescue boat from being launched abs the police were called . Why are you trying to defend this? Point to the place where I'm trying to defend it? I'm trying to establish the facts, rather tban just take one side of the story. Fair enough, are you disputing that people tried to obstruct the the boat and the police were called ? The short piece of video i've seen just shows some abuse. The statement that I saw earlier, just said that "the RNLI confirm that an incident took place and that the police were called". I'm sure that now the mainstream media have picked up on it, then further statements will be forthcoming. Local news is always my go to on events like this, and I was reporting on the latest version. Again, fair enough, none of this looks good wether it was verbal abuse or physically trying to stop the boat, these people are morons So there we are then. Anyone wishing to come to the UK from wherever by dubious means is good and to be lauded. Anyone from the UK that questions this or the challenges faced, are racist morons. On a separate note, I would never donate to the RNLI. They are awash with money and a rotten organisation at the top. At local level, great people being badly led. What? Who called them racist? Btw, I will now donate extra to the RNLI "Excellent. | |||
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"There was heated words between a fisherman and a member of the RNLI crew about the manner of the launch, and at no time did "fishermen" stop the launch. Abuse about actually the reason for the launch came from a paaser-by, reported to be a lorry driver. There was no suggestion that any migrant was drowning, more a call to assist. Source? Hastings and St Leonards Oberver Can you provide quotes because that's not what was in the other papers. Posted on their online edition at 14.52 today. The RNLI have confirmed that a group of people tried to stop a rescue boat from being launched abs the police were called . Why are you trying to defend this? Point to the place where I'm trying to defend it? I'm trying to establish the facts, rather tban just take one side of the story. Fair enough, are you disputing that people tried to obstruct the the boat and the police were called ? The short piece of video i've seen just shows some abuse. The statement that I saw earlier, just said that "the RNLI confirm that an incident took place and that the police were called". I'm sure that now the mainstream media have picked up on it, then further statements will be forthcoming. Local news is always my go to on events like this, and I was reporting on the latest version. Again, fair enough, none of this looks good wether it was verbal abuse or physically trying to stop the boat, these people are morons So there we are then. Anyone wishing to come to the UK from wherever by dubious means is good and to be lauded. Anyone from the UK that questions this or the challenges faced, are racist morons. On a separate note, I would never donate to the RNLI. They are awash with money and a rotten organisation at the top. At local level, great people being badly led. What? Who called them racist? Btw, I will now donate extra to the RNLI
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And whilst your here, can you explain why these people were abusing the RNLI ? "well, as I wasn’t there I can’t. Were they abusing them ? | |||
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"There was heated words between a fisherman and a member of the RNLI crew about the manner of the launch, and at no time did "fishermen" stop the launch. Abuse about actually the reason for the launch came from a paaser-by, reported to be a lorry driver. There was no suggestion that any migrant was drowning, more a call to assist. Source? Hastings and St Leonards Oberver Can you provide quotes because that's not what was in the other papers. Posted on their online edition at 14.52 today. The RNLI have confirmed that a group of people tried to stop a rescue boat from being launched abs the police were called . Why are you trying to defend this? Point to the place where I'm trying to defend it? I'm trying to establish the facts, rather tban just take one side of the story. Fair enough, are you disputing that people tried to obstruct the the boat and the police were called ? The short piece of video i've seen just shows some abuse. The statement that I saw earlier, just said that "the RNLI confirm that an incident took place and that the police were called". I'm sure that now the mainstream media have picked up on it, then further statements will be forthcoming. Local news is always my go to on events like this, and I was reporting on the latest version. Again, fair enough, none of this looks good wether it was verbal abuse or physically trying to stop the boat, these people are morons So there we are then. Anyone wishing to come to the UK from wherever by dubious means is good and to be lauded. Anyone from the UK that questions this or the challenges faced, are racist morons. On a separate note, I would never donate to the RNLI. They are awash with money and a rotten organisation at the top. At local level, great people being badly led. What? Who called them racist? Btw, I will now donate extra to the RNLI
Excellent.
And whilst your here, can you explain why these people were abusing the RNLI ? well, as I wasn’t there I can’t. Were they abusing them ? "Yep, I have seen the video. They were probably leave voters who are frustrated and confused that Brexit has made the migrant situation worse, but I guess they know what they voted for | |||
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"There was heated words between a fisherman and a member of the RNLI crew about the manner of the launch, and at no time did "fishermen" stop the launch. Abuse about actually the reason for the launch came from a paaser-by, reported to be a lorry driver. There was no suggestion that any migrant was drowning, more a call to assist. Source? Hastings and St Leonards Oberver Can you provide quotes because that's not what was in the other papers. Posted on their online edition at 14.52 today. The RNLI have confirmed that a group of people tried to stop a rescue boat from being launched abs the police were called . Why are you trying to defend this? Point to the place where I'm trying to defend it? I'm trying to establish the facts, rather tban just take one side of the story. Fair enough, are you disputing that people tried to obstruct the the boat and the police were called ? The short piece of video i've seen just shows some abuse. The statement that I saw earlier, just said that "the RNLI confirm that an incident took place and that the police were called". I'm sure that now the mainstream media have picked up on it, then further statements will be forthcoming. Local news is always my go to on events like this, and I was reporting on the latest version. Again, fair enough, none of this looks good wether it was verbal abuse or physically trying to stop the boat, these people are morons So there we are then. Anyone wishing to come to the UK from wherever by dubious means is good and to be lauded. Anyone from the UK that questions this or the challenges faced, are racist morons. On a separate note, I would never donate to the RNLI. They are awash with money and a rotten organisation at the top. At local level, great people being badly led. What? Who called them racist? Btw, I will now donate extra to the RNLI "Well said, you inspired me enough to bung them a ten spot. | |||
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"There was heated words between a fisherman and a member of the RNLI crew about the manner of the launch, and at no time did "fishermen" stop the launch. Abuse about actually the reason for the launch came from a paaser-by, reported to be a lorry driver. There was no suggestion that any migrant was drowning, more a call to assist. Source? Hastings and St Leonards Oberver Can you provide quotes because that's not what was in the other papers. Posted on their online edition at 14.52 today. The RNLI have confirmed that a group of people tried to stop a rescue boat from being launched abs the police were called . Why are you trying to defend this? Point to the place where I'm trying to defend it? I'm trying to establish the facts, rather tban just take one side of the story. Fair enough, are you disputing that people tried to obstruct the the boat and the police were called ? The short piece of video i've seen just shows some abuse. The statement that I saw earlier, just said that "the RNLI confirm that an incident took place and that the police were called". I'm sure that now the mainstream media have picked up on it, then further statements will be forthcoming. Local news is always my go to on events like this, and I was reporting on the latest version. Again, fair enough, none of this looks good wether it was verbal abuse or physically trying to stop the boat, these people are morons So there we are then. Anyone wishing to come to the UK from wherever by dubious means is good and to be lauded. Anyone from the UK that questions this or the challenges faced, are racist morons. On a separate note, I would never donate to the RNLI. They are awash with money and a rotten organisation at the top. At local level, great people being badly led. What? Who called them racist? Btw, I will now donate extra to the RNLI
Excellent.
And whilst your here, can you explain why these people were abusing the RNLI ? well, as I wasn’t there I can’t. Were they abusing them ?
Yep, I have seen the video. They were probably leave voters who are frustrated and confused that Brexit has made the migrant situation worse, but I guess they know what they voted for "And perhaps they weren’t so sadly don’t fit your assumptions. | |||
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"There was heated words between a fisherman and a member of the RNLI crew about the manner of the launch, and at no time did "fishermen" stop the launch. Abuse about actually the reason for the launch came from a paaser-by, reported to be a lorry driver. There was no suggestion that any migrant was drowning, more a call to assist. Source? Hastings and St Leonards Oberver Can you provide quotes because that's not what was in the other papers. Posted on their online edition at 14.52 today. The RNLI have confirmed that a group of people tried to stop a rescue boat from being launched abs the police were called . Why are you trying to defend this? Point to the place where I'm trying to defend it? I'm trying to establish the facts, rather tban just take one side of the story. Fair enough, are you disputing that people tried to obstruct the the boat and the police were called ? The short piece of video i've seen just shows some abuse. The statement that I saw earlier, just said that "the RNLI confirm that an incident took place and that the police were called". I'm sure that now the mainstream media have picked up on it, then further statements will be forthcoming. Local news is always my go to on events like this, and I was reporting on the latest version. Again, fair enough, none of this looks good wether it was verbal abuse or physically trying to stop the boat, these people are morons So there we are then. Anyone wishing to come to the UK from wherever by dubious means is good and to be lauded. Anyone from the UK that questions this or the challenges faced, are racist morons. On a separate note, I would never donate to the RNLI. They are awash with money and a rotten organisation at the top. At local level, great people being badly led. What? Who called them racist? Btw, I will now donate extra to the RNLI
Excellent.
And whilst your here, can you explain why these people were abusing the RNLI ? well, as I wasn’t there I can’t. Were they abusing them ?
Yep, I have seen the video. They were probably leave voters who are frustrated and confused that Brexit has made the migrant situation worse, but I guess they know what they voted for
And perhaps they weren’t so sadly don’t fit your assumptions. "Taking back control?? | |||
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"There was heated words between a fisherman and a member of the RNLI crew about the manner of the launch, and at no time did "fishermen" stop the launch. Abuse about actually the reason for the launch came from a paaser-by, reported to be a lorry driver. There was no suggestion that any migrant was drowning, more a call to assist. Source? Hastings and St Leonards Oberver Can you provide quotes because that's not what was in the other papers. Posted on their online edition at 14.52 today. The RNLI have confirmed that a group of people tried to stop a rescue boat from being launched abs the police were called . Why are you trying to defend this? Point to the place where I'm trying to defend it? I'm trying to establish the facts, rather tban just take one side of the story. Fair enough, are you disputing that people tried to obstruct the the boat and the police were called ? The short piece of video i've seen just shows some abuse. The statement that I saw earlier, just said that "the RNLI confirm that an incident took place and that the police were called". I'm sure that now the mainstream media have picked up on it, then further statements will be forthcoming. Local news is always my go to on events like this, and I was reporting on the latest version. Again, fair enough, none of this looks good wether it was verbal abuse or physically trying to stop the boat, these people are morons So there we are then. Anyone wishing to come to the UK from wherever by dubious means is good and to be lauded. Anyone from the UK that questions this or the challenges faced, are racist morons. On a separate note, I would never donate to the RNLI. They are awash with money and a rotten organisation at the top. At local level, great people being badly led. What? Who called them racist? Btw, I will now donate extra to the RNLI
Well said, you inspired me enough to bung them a ten spot. "I was wondering when you would join in. I doubt either of you will be good to your word. | |||
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"There was heated words between a fisherman and a member of the RNLI crew about the manner of the launch, and at no time did "fishermen" stop the launch. Abuse about actually the reason for the launch came from a paaser-by, reported to be a lorry driver. There was no suggestion that any migrant was drowning, more a call to assist. Source? Hastings and St Leonards Oberver Can you provide quotes because that's not what was in the other papers. Posted on their online edition at 14.52 today. The RNLI have confirmed that a group of people tried to stop a rescue boat from being launched abs the police were called . Why are you trying to defend this? Point to the place where I'm trying to defend it? I'm trying to establish the facts, rather tban just take one side of the story. Fair enough, are you disputing that people tried to obstruct the the boat and the police were called ? The short piece of video i've seen just shows some abuse. The statement that I saw earlier, just said that "the RNLI confirm that an incident took place and that the police were called". I'm sure that now the mainstream media have picked up on it, then further statements will be forthcoming. Local news is always my go to on events like this, and I was reporting on the latest version. Again, fair enough, none of this looks good wether it was verbal abuse or physically trying to stop the boat, these people are morons So there we are then. Anyone wishing to come to the UK from wherever by dubious means is good and to be lauded. Anyone from the UK that questions this or the challenges faced, are racist morons. On a separate note, I would never donate to the RNLI. They are awash with money and a rotten organisation at the top. At local level, great people being badly led. What? Who called them racist? Btw, I will now donate extra to the RNLI
Excellent.
And whilst your here, can you explain why these people were abusing the RNLI ? well, as I wasn’t there I can’t. Were they abusing them ?
Yep, I have seen the video. They were probably leave voters who are frustrated and confused that Brexit has made the migrant situation worse, but I guess they know what they voted for
And perhaps they weren’t so sadly don’t fit your assumptions.
Taking back control?? "That’s a completely separate issue. | |||
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Well said, you inspired me enough to bung them a ten spot.
I was wondering when you would join in. I doubt either of you will be good to your word. "It’s done, thanks for the motivation, | |||
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"There was heated words between a fisherman and a member of the RNLI crew about the manner of the launch, and at no time did "fishermen" stop the launch. Abuse about actually the reason for the launch came from a paaser-by, reported to be a lorry driver. There was no suggestion that any migrant was drowning, more a call to assist. Source? Hastings and St Leonards Oberver Can you provide quotes because that's not what was in the other papers. Posted on their online edition at 14.52 today. The RNLI have confirmed that a group of people tried to stop a rescue boat from being launched abs the police were called . Why are you trying to defend this? Point to the place where I'm trying to defend it? I'm trying to establish the facts, rather tban just take one side of the story. Fair enough, are you disputing that people tried to obstruct the the boat and the police were called ? The short piece of video i've seen just shows some abuse. The statement that I saw earlier, just said that "the RNLI confirm that an incident took place and that the police were called". I'm sure that now the mainstream media have picked up on it, then further statements will be forthcoming. Local news is always my go to on events like this, and I was reporting on the latest version. Again, fair enough, none of this looks good wether it was verbal abuse or physically trying to stop the boat, these people are morons So there we are then. Anyone wishing to come to the UK from wherever by dubious means is good and to be lauded. Anyone from the UK that questions this or the challenges faced, are racist morons. On a separate note, I would never donate to the RNLI. They are awash with money and a rotten organisation at the top. At local level, great people being badly led. What? Who called them racist? Btw, I will now donate extra to the RNLI
Excellent.
And whilst your here, can you explain why these people were abusing the RNLI ? well, as I wasn’t there I can’t. Were they abusing them ?
Yep, I have seen the video. They were probably leave voters who are frustrated and confused that Brexit has made the migrant situation worse, but I guess they know what they voted for
And perhaps they weren’t so sadly don’t fit your assumptions.
Taking back control??
That’s a completely separate issue."PMSL | |||
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"There was heated words between a fisherman and a member of the RNLI crew about the manner of the launch, and at no time did "fishermen" stop the launch. Abuse about actually the reason for the launch came from a paaser-by, reported to be a lorry driver. There was no suggestion that any migrant was drowning, more a call to assist. Source? Hastings and St Leonards Oberver Can you provide quotes because that's not what was in the other papers. Posted on their online edition at 14.52 today. The RNLI have confirmed that a group of people tried to stop a rescue boat from being launched abs the police were called . Why are you trying to defend this? Point to the place where I'm trying to defend it? I'm trying to establish the facts, rather tban just take one side of the story. Fair enough, are you disputing that people tried to obstruct the the boat and the police were called ? The short piece of video i've seen just shows some abuse. The statement that I saw earlier, just said that "the RNLI confirm that an incident took place and that the police were called". I'm sure that now the mainstream media have picked up on it, then further statements will be forthcoming. Local news is always my go to on events like this, and I was reporting on the latest version. Again, fair enough, none of this looks good wether it was verbal abuse or physically trying to stop the boat, these people are morons So there we are then. Anyone wishing to come to the UK from wherever by dubious means is good and to be lauded. Anyone from the UK that questions this or the challenges faced, are racist morons. On a separate note, I would never donate to the RNLI. They are awash with money and a rotten organisation at the top. At local level, great people being badly led. What? Who called them racist? Btw, I will now donate extra to the RNLI
Excellent.
And whilst your here, can you explain why these people were abusing the RNLI ? well, as I wasn’t there I can’t. Were they abusing them ?
Yep, I have seen the video. They were probably leave voters who are frustrated and confused that Brexit has made the migrant situation worse, but I guess they know what they voted for
And perhaps they weren’t so sadly don’t fit your assumptions.
Taking back control??
That’s a completely separate issue.
PMSL "Literally I hope? | |||
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Excellent.
And whilst your here, can you explain why these people were abusing the RNLI ? well, as I wasn’t there I can’t. Were they abusing them ?
Yep, I have seen the video. They were probably leave voters who are frustrated and confused that Brexit has made the migrant situation worse, but I guess they know what they voted for
And perhaps they weren’t so sadly don’t fit your assumptions.
Taking back control??
That’s a completely separate issue.
PMSL
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"There was heated words between a fisherman and a member of the RNLI crew about the manner of the launch, and at no time did "fishermen" stop the launch. Abuse about actually the reason for the launch came from a paaser-by, reported to be a lorry driver. There was no suggestion that any migrant was drowning, more a call to assist. Source? Hastings and St Leonards Oberver Can you provide quotes because that's not what was in the other papers. Posted on their online edition at 14.52 today. The RNLI have confirmed that a group of people tried to stop a rescue boat from being launched abs the police were called . Why are you trying to defend this? Point to the place where I'm trying to defend it? I'm trying to establish the facts, rather tban just take one side of the story. Fair enough, are you disputing that people tried to obstruct the the boat and the police were called ? The short piece of video i've seen just shows some abuse. The statement that I saw earlier, just said that "the RNLI confirm that an incident took place and that the police were called". I'm sure that now the mainstream media have picked up on it, then further statements will be forthcoming. Local news is always my go to on events like this, and I was reporting on the latest version. Again, fair enough, none of this looks good wether it was verbal abuse or physically trying to stop the boat, these people are morons So there we are then. Anyone wishing to come to the UK from wherever by dubious means is good and to be lauded. Anyone from the UK that questions this or the challenges faced, are racist morons. On a separate note, I would never donate to the RNLI. They are awash with money and a rotten organisation at the top. At local level, great people being badly led. What? Who called them racist? Btw, I will now donate extra to the RNLI
Well said, you inspired me enough to bung them a ten spot.
I was wondering when you would join in. I doubt either of you will be good to your word. "I look forward to your apology. You've sent a payment of £10.00 GBP to Royal National Lifeboat Institution | |||
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"There was heated words between a fisherman and a member of the RNLI crew about the manner of the launch, and at no time did "fishermen" stop the launch. Abuse about actually the reason for the launch came from a paaser-by, reported to be a lorry driver. There was no suggestion that any migrant was drowning, more a call to assist. Source? Hastings and St Leonards Oberver Can you provide quotes because that's not what was in the other papers. Posted on their online edition at 14.52 today. The RNLI have confirmed that a group of people tried to stop a rescue boat from being launched abs the police were called . Why are you trying to defend this? Point to the place where I'm trying to defend it? I'm trying to establish the facts, rather tban just take one side of the story. Fair enough, are you disputing that people tried to obstruct the the boat and the police were called ? The short piece of video i've seen just shows some abuse. The statement that I saw earlier, just said that "the RNLI confirm that an incident took place and that the police were called". I'm sure that now the mainstream media have picked up on it, then further statements will be forthcoming. Local news is always my go to on events like this, and I was reporting on the latest version. Again, fair enough, none of this looks good wether it was verbal abuse or physically trying to stop the boat, these people are morons So there we are then. Anyone wishing to come to the UK from wherever by dubious means is good and to be lauded. Anyone from the UK that questions this or the challenges faced, are racist morons. On a separate note, I would never donate to the RNLI. They are awash with money and a rotten organisation at the top. At local level, great people being badly led. What? Who called them racist? Btw, I will now donate extra to the RNLI
Well said, you inspired me enough to bung them a ten spot.
I was wondering when you would join in. I doubt either of you will be good to your word.
I look forward to your apology.
You've sent a payment of £10.00 GBP to Royal National Lifeboat Institution
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Well said, you inspired me enough to bung them a ten spot.
I was wondering when you would join in. I doubt either of you will be good to your word.
I look forward to your apology.
You've sent a payment of £10.00 GBP to Royal National Lifeboat Institution
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"The RNLI reported to the Police that their boat in Hastings was prevented from attending an emergency at sea by local fishermen trying to stop them rescuing drowning migrants. This is really disturbing on so many levels. Even in wartime, soldiers, sailors and airmen neutralise targets, but still look to save life when they can. Wilfully acting in a way that will likely make people drown at sea is just sick. Irrespective of politics, it is just sick." if it’s true it’s shocking | |||
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"The RNLI reported to the Police that their boat in Hastings was prevented from attending an emergency at sea by local fishermen trying to stop them rescuing drowning migrants. This is really disturbing on so many levels. Even in wartime, soldiers, sailors and airmen neutralise targets, but still look to save life when they can. Wilfully acting in a way that will likely make people drown at sea is just sick. Irrespective of politics, it is just sick.if it’s true it’s shocking " Agreed. So all effort & resources should go to stopping them setting out to sea. It’s only a 45 mile stretch of coastline. | |||
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"The RNLI reported to the Police that their boat in Hastings was prevented from attending an emergency at sea by local fishermen trying to stop them rescuing drowning migrants. This is really disturbing on so many levels. Even in wartime, soldiers, sailors and airmen neutralise targets, but still look to save life when they can. Wilfully acting in a way that will likely make people drown at sea is just sick. Irrespective of politics, it is just sick.if it’s true it’s shocking Agreed. So all effort & resources should go to stopping them setting out to sea. It’s only a 45 mile stretch of coastline." So open up a legal route for them to get here. Btw if you think it's easy to police a 45 mile coast as you above, then can you explain why the British police can't police a similar amount of coast? | |||
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"The RNLI reported to the Police that their boat in Hastings was prevented from attending an emergency at sea by local fishermen trying to stop them rescuing drowning migrants. This is really disturbing on so many levels. Even in wartime, soldiers, sailors and airmen neutralise targets, but still look to save life when they can. Wilfully acting in a way that will likely make people drown at sea is just sick. Irrespective of politics, it is just sick.if it’s true it’s shocking Agreed. So all effort & resources should go to stopping them setting out to sea. It’s only a 45 mile stretch of coastline. So open up a legal route for them to get here. Btw if you think it's easy to police a 45 mile coast as you above, then can you explain why the British police can't police a similar amount of coast?" or stop them from boarding the boats in tne first place | |||
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"The RNLI reported to the Police that their boat in Hastings was prevented from attending an emergency at sea by local fishermen trying to stop them rescuing drowning migrants. This is really disturbing on so many levels. Even in wartime, soldiers, sailors and airmen neutralise targets, but still look to save life when they can. Wilfully acting in a way that will likely make people drown at sea is just sick. Irrespective of politics, it is just sick.if it’s true it’s shocking Agreed. So all effort & resources should go to stopping them setting out to sea. It’s only a 45 mile stretch of coastline. So open up a legal route for them to get here. Btw if you think it's easy to police a 45 mile coast as you above, then can you explain why the British police can't police a similar amount of coast?or stop them from boarding the boats in tne first place " It would be really impressive if police in the UK could stop someone getting into a boat 20 miles away in France. | |||
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"The RNLI reported to the Police that their boat in Hastings was prevented from attending an emergency at sea by local fishermen trying to stop them rescuing drowning migrants. This is really disturbing on so many levels. Even in wartime, soldiers, sailors and airmen neutralise targets, but still look to save life when they can. Wilfully acting in a way that will likely make people drown at sea is just sick. Irrespective of politics, it is just sick.if it’s true it’s shocking Agreed. So all effort & resources should go to stopping them setting out to sea. It’s only a 45 mile stretch of coastline. So open up a legal route for them to get here. Btw if you think it's easy to police a 45 mile coast as you above, then can you explain why the British police can't police a similar amount of coast?or stop them from boarding the boats in tne first place It would be really impressive if police in the UK could stop someone getting into a boat 20 miles away in France. " but not impressive enough for the french police tho wow lol couldn’t make this shit up | |||
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"The RNLI reported to the Police that their boat in Hastings was prevented from attending an emergency at sea by local fishermen trying to stop them rescuing drowning migrants. This is really disturbing on so many levels. Even in wartime, soldiers, sailors and airmen neutralise targets, but still look to save life when they can. Wilfully acting in a way that will likely make people drown at sea is just sick. Irrespective of politics, it is just sick.if it’s true it’s shocking Agreed. So all effort & resources should go to stopping them setting out to sea. It’s only a 45 mile stretch of coastline. So open up a legal route for them to get here. Btw if you think it's easy to police a 45 mile coast as you above, then can you explain why the British police can't police a similar amount of coast?or stop them from boarding the boats in tne first place It would be really impressive if police in the UK could stop someone getting into a boat 20 miles away in France. but not impressive enough for the french police tho wow lol couldn’t make this shit up " Sorry, could you clarify? | |||
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"The RNLI reported to the Police that their boat in Hastings was prevented from attending an emergency at sea by local fishermen trying to stop them rescuing drowning migrants. This is really disturbing on so many levels. Even in wartime, soldiers, sailors and airmen neutralise targets, but still look to save life when they can. Wilfully acting in a way that will likely make people drown at sea is just sick. Irrespective of politics, it is just sick.if it’s true it’s shocking Agreed. So all effort & resources should go to stopping them setting out to sea. It’s only a 45 mile stretch of coastline. So open up a legal route for them to get here. Btw if you think it's easy to police a 45 mile coast as you above, then can you explain why the British police can't police a similar amount of coast? Or get the Polish border authorities/ military to show us how. It’s actually very easy if the will is there. It hasn’t been for 30 years or so. The poles have used Razor wire, water cannon and similar tactics. Are you advocating that on the beaches of the south coast? Why not? It worked." Wouldn't it be better as say, a wall, right on the edge of UK territorial waters, and make France pay for it. Make Brighton Great Again | |||
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"The RNLI reported to the Police that their boat in Hastings was prevented from attending an emergency at sea by local fishermen trying to stop them rescuing drowning migrants. This is really disturbing on so many levels. Even in wartime, soldiers, sailors and airmen neutralise targets, but still look to save life when they can. Wilfully acting in a way that will likely make people drown at sea is just sick. Irrespective of politics, it is just sick.if it’s true it’s shocking Agreed. So all effort & resources should go to stopping them setting out to sea. It’s only a 45 mile stretch of coastline. So open up a legal route for them to get here. Btw if you think it's easy to police a 45 mile coast as you above, then can you explain why the British police can't police a similar amount of coast? Or get the Polish border authorities/ military to show us how. It’s actually very easy if the will is there. It hasn’t been for 30 years or so. The poles have used Razor wire, water cannon and similar tactics. Are you advocating that on the beaches of the south coast? Why not? It worked. That will do wonders for the tourist trade , and they will just come from east coast instead "Oh no they won’t. Tourist trade? | |||
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"The RNLI reported to the Police that their boat in Hastings was prevented from attending an emergency at sea by local fishermen trying to stop them rescuing drowning migrants. This is really disturbing on so many levels. Even in wartime, soldiers, sailors and airmen neutralise targets, but still look to save life when they can. Wilfully acting in a way that will likely make people drown at sea is just sick. Irrespective of politics, it is just sick.if it’s true it’s shocking Agreed. So all effort & resources should go to stopping them setting out to sea. It’s only a 45 mile stretch of coastline. So open up a legal route for them to get here. Btw if you think it's easy to police a 45 mile coast as you above, then can you explain why the British police can't police a similar amount of coast? Or get the Polish border authorities/ military to show us how. It’s actually very easy if the will is there. It hasn’t been for 30 years or so. The poles have used Razor wire, water cannon and similar tactics. Are you advocating that on the beaches of the south coast? Why not? It worked. That will do wonders for the tourist trade , and they will just come from east coast instead "yes the east coast is doable in a dingy lol | |||
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"The RNLI reported to the Police that their boat in Hastings was prevented from attending an emergency at sea by local fishermen trying to stop them rescuing drowning migrants. This is really disturbing on so many levels. Even in wartime, soldiers, sailors and airmen neutralise targets, but still look to save life when they can. Wilfully acting in a way that will likely make people drown at sea is just sick. Irrespective of politics, it is just sick.if it’s true it’s shocking Agreed. So all effort & resources should go to stopping them setting out to sea. It’s only a 45 mile stretch of coastline. So open up a legal route for them to get here. Btw if you think it's easy to police a 45 mile coast as you above, then can you explain why the British police can't police a similar amount of coast? Or get the Polish border authorities/ military to show us how. It’s actually very easy if the will is there. It hasn’t been for 30 years or so. The poles have used Razor wire, water cannon and similar tactics. Are you advocating that on the beaches of the south coast? Why not? It worked. That will do wonders for the tourist trade , and they will just come from east coast instead yes the east coast is doable in a dingy lol"Don’t be so daft. | |||
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"How did we get to a place where so much hatred is directed at people who are seeking sanctuary? There is something seriously wrong with this country." Hatred? Sanctuary? | |||
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"The RNLI reported to the Police that their boat in Hastings was prevented from attending an emergency at sea by local fishermen trying to stop them rescuing drowning migrants. This is really disturbing on so many levels. Even in wartime, soldiers, sailors and airmen neutralise targets, but still look to save life when they can. Wilfully acting in a way that will likely make people drown at sea is just sick. Irrespective of politics, it is just sick." Was it resolved as to wether those involved restricted their actions to verbal abuse or went further and physically prevented the launch? Both situations are despicable but would assume if they physically stopped the launch and caught on camera, surely they can be arrested and prosecuted. | |||
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"How did we get to a place where so much hatred is directed at people who are seeking sanctuary? There is something seriously wrong with this country. It's getting worse and worse." Brexit was supposed to be about veto g to grips with migration, controling who enters the country based o. Their status. It is now obvious this government is fucking useless. qenuine refugees are mixed in with economic migrants who are taking advantage of the mess, and scumbag smugglers too. Australian approach isn't ideal but I think it'll stop the dangerous crossings. | |||
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"The RNLI reported to the Police that their boat in Hastings was prevented from attending an emergency at sea by local fishermen trying to stop them rescuing drowning migrants. This is really disturbing on so many levels. Even in wartime, soldiers, sailors and airmen neutralise targets, but still look to save life when they can. Wilfully acting in a way that will likely make people drown at sea is just sick. Irrespective of politics, it is just sick. Was it resolved as to wether those involved restricted their actions to verbal abuse or went further and physically prevented the launch? Both situations are despicable but would assume if they physically stopped the launch and caught on camera, surely they can be arrested and prosecuted. " There is a video on Twitter of the incident. A guy walks up to the RNLI lifeboat and protests to the crew. One guy. Not a mob, not an angry crowd, not even a slightly disgruntled trio of fisherman. Just one, angry sounding guy. Search for the video if interested in the truth. | |||
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"“Even in wartime, soldiers, sailors and airmen … still look to save life when they can” Er, not quite true in wartime: for example the unarmed Luftwaffe Dornier 24 seaplanes (huge, white and Red-Cross painted, could hardly be mistaken for a fighter or bomber) attacked by the RAF during the Battle of Britain to thwart their picking up pilots downed in the Channel (“If they rescue Allied pilots they’ll be put in POW camps. Any Germans rescued will be flying sorties against us the next day. Better to let them all drown”). Similarly the bombing by the Germans of the Red Cross ship “Paris” at Dunkirk. Was it ferrying only the wounded backwards and forwards, or was it transporting the able-bodied so they could fight again?" you appear to be excusing the scummy behaviour of those attempting to prevent the launch of a lifeboat by unpaid emergency service workers. is that your intention or do you condemn these scummy idividuals for their attempted prevention of the launch and abuse of the service people onboard? | |||
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"There are some very badly twisted "facts" on this thread, I suspect to deliberately stir up outrage. This is the story, which, if you actually read it, you will notice what has been said above in some posts is just an ignorant lie. https://www.hastingsobserver.co.uk/news/people/hastings-fishermen-explain-circumstances-over-rnli-lifeboat-blocking-3476922 There is also a video of the incident which shows the same. I do wish people would stop exaggerating wildly and causing further division in the UK. Things are bad enough without twats just making shit up for no other reason than their own innate hatred of others who don't vote the same way as they do. Grow the fuck up. " Earlier on, you said. "Thank you for a sensible answer. If only other posters could respond as succinctly and not get their fallopians in a twist, this forum would be a much more welcoming environment. " Then you go on an angry tirade swearing and cursing people. Which is it, a welcoming environment, or a big fuck off angry swear-a-thon? | |||
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"The RNLI reported to the Police that their boat in Hastings was prevented from attending an emergency at sea by local fishermen trying to stop them rescuing drowning migrants. This is really disturbing on so many levels. Even in wartime, soldiers, sailors and airmen neutralise targets, but still look to save life when they can. Wilfully acting in a way that will likely make people drown at sea is just sick. Irrespective of politics, it is just sick. Was it resolved as to wether those involved restricted their actions to verbal abuse or went further and physically prevented the launch? Both situations are despicable but would assume if they physically stopped the launch and caught on camera, surely they can be arrested and prosecuted. There is a video on Twitter of the incident. A guy walks up to the RNLI lifeboat and protests to the crew. One guy. Not a mob, not an angry crowd, not even a slightly disgruntled trio of fisherman. Just one, angry sounding guy. Search for the video if interested in the truth." The video doesn’t show the entire incident, | |||
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Give me the range of sizes then? I want to work out what sort of ‘taxi service’ they are providing
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""... that’s why we stopped our donations" I'm a boat owner and make quite large annual donations to both the RNLI and especially the completely independent local volunteer service (the offshore Bernard Matthews II lifeboat, "Caister Men Never Turn Back"). I'm not convinced that I should be encouraging the Channel boats to provide a taxi service... How many people will a life boat carry? Believe it or not, they come in different sizes
Give me the range of sizes then? I want to work out what sort of ‘taxi service’ they are providing
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"How did we get to a place where so much hatred is directed at people who are seeking sanctuary? There is something seriously wrong with this country." there’s something seriously wrong with this post where is the hatred ? You’ve got form on here for labelling people | |||
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"How did we get to a place where so much hatred is directed at people who are seeking sanctuary? There is something seriously wrong with this country.there’s something seriously wrong with this post where is the hatred ? You’ve got form on here for labelling people " how would yu describe an angry crowd trying to stop a life boat being launched? | |||
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"How did we get to a place where so much hatred is directed at people who are seeking sanctuary? There is something seriously wrong with this country.there’s something seriously wrong with this post where is the hatred ? You’ve got form on here for labelling people how would yu describe an angry crowd trying to stop a life boat being launched?was it an angry crowd ? Hatred is a very strong word he said in he’s post there’s something seriously wrong with this country I don’t agree but let me guess you do ?" I agree that something is seriously wrong with this country, we have a bunch of incompetent idiots in charge, more concerned with filling their own pockets than the lives of the average person. We have a system were effectively you can buy a peerage for 3 million quid. We have in excess of 4 million kids living in poverty and it takes a footballer to shame the government into action. We have a system where families depend on food banks to get through. Is any of that "right"? | |||
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"How did we get to a place where so much hatred is directed at people who are seeking sanctuary? There is something seriously wrong with this country." problem is most see them as not asylum seekers just economic migrants that aren't welcome. | |||
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"How did we get to a place where so much hatred is directed at people who are seeking sanctuary? There is something seriously wrong with this country.there’s something seriously wrong with this post where is the hatred ? You’ve got form on here for labelling people how would yu describe an angry crowd trying to stop a life boat being launched?was it an angry crowd ? Hatred is a very strong word he said in he’s post there’s something seriously wrong with this country I don’t agree but let me guess you do ? I agree that something is seriously wrong with this country, we have a bunch of incompetent idiots in charge, more concerned with filling their own pockets than the lives of the average person. We have a system were effectively you can buy a peerage for 3 million quid. We have in excess of 4 million kids living in poverty and it takes a footballer to shame the government into action. We have a system where families depend on food banks to get through. Is any of that "right"? trust you eh he was talking about a serious problem in this country regarding racism read the posts before commenting please we have a problem but not as bad as most" yes you can trust me to highlight the failings of this crop of clowns and charlatans We are that "good" at race relations that even the UN thinks we have a problem and have tried to whitewash the issues. The post you refer to, and quote, asks about hatred. | |||
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"How did we get to a place where so much hatred is directed at people who are seeking sanctuary? There is something seriously wrong with this country.there’s something seriously wrong with this post where is the hatred ? You’ve got form on here for labelling people how would yu describe an angry crowd trying to stop a life boat being launched?was it an angry crowd ? Hatred is a very strong word he said in he’s post there’s something seriously wrong with this country I don’t agree but let me guess you do ? I agree that something is seriously wrong with this country, we have a bunch of incompetent idiots in charge, more concerned with filling their own pockets than the lives of the average person. We have a system were effectively you can buy a peerage for 3 million quid. We have in excess of 4 million kids living in poverty and it takes a footballer to shame the government into action. We have a system where families depend on food banks to get through. Is any of that "right"? trust you eh he was talking about a serious problem in this country regarding racism read the posts before commenting please we have a problem but not as bad as most yes you can trust me to highlight the failings of this crop of clowns and charlatans We are that "good" at race relations that even the UN thinks we have a problem and have tried to whitewash the issues. The post you refer to, and quote, asks about hatred. hatted of people coming here and you make it about the government as always true to form " if the government was such a crash between clown cars I wouldn't be able to | |||
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"How did we get to a place where so much hatred is directed at people who are seeking sanctuary? There is something seriously wrong with this country.there’s something seriously wrong with this post where is the hatred ? You’ve got form on here for labelling people how would yu describe an angry crowd trying to stop a life boat being launched?was it an angry crowd ? Hatred is a very strong word he said in he’s post there’s something seriously wrong with this country I don’t agree but let me guess you do ? I agree that something is seriously wrong with this country, we have a bunch of incompetent idiots in charge, more concerned with filling their own pockets than the lives of the average person. We have a system were effectively you can buy a peerage for 3 million quid. We have in excess of 4 million kids living in poverty and it takes a footballer to shame the government into action. We have a system where families depend on food banks to get through. Is any of that "right"? trust you eh he was talking about a serious problem in this country regarding racism read the posts before commenting please we have a problem but not as bad as most yes you can trust me to highlight the failings of this crop of clowns and charlatans We are that "good" at race relations that even the UN thinks we have a problem and have tried to whitewash the issues. The post you refer to, and quote, asks about hatred. hatted of people coming here and you make it about the government as always true to form if the government was such a crash between clown cars I wouldn't be able to " well if I’m talking about one thing in future please don’t join in if your going to do one of your many government rants then just stick to what’s been talked about it’s not hard | |||
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"How did we get to a place where so much hatred is directed at people who are seeking sanctuary? There is something seriously wrong with this country.there’s something seriously wrong with this post where is the hatred ? You’ve got form on here for labelling people how would yu describe an angry crowd trying to stop a life boat being launched?was it an angry crowd ? Hatred is a very strong word he said in he’s post there’s something seriously wrong with this country I don’t agree but let me guess you do ? I agree that something is seriously wrong with this country, we have a bunch of incompetent idiots in charge, more concerned with filling their own pockets than the lives of the average person. We have a system were effectively you can buy a peerage for 3 million quid. We have in excess of 4 million kids living in poverty and it takes a footballer to shame the government into action. We have a system where families depend on food banks to get through. Is any of that "right"? trust you eh he was talking about a serious problem in this country regarding racism read the posts before commenting please we have a problem but not as bad as most yes you can trust me to highlight the failings of this crop of clowns and charlatans We are that "good" at race relations that even the UN thinks we have a problem and have tried to whitewash the issues. The post you refer to, and quote, asks about hatred. hatted of people coming here and you make it about the government as always true to form if the government was such a crash between clown cars I wouldn't be able to well if I’m talking about one thing in future please don’t join in if your going to do one of your many government rants then just stick to what’s been talked about it’s not hard If you don't like it don't read it. It's not hard.neither is sticking to the topic ffs " That's nice. | |||
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"How did we get to a place where so much hatred is directed at people who are seeking sanctuary? There is something seriously wrong with this country.there’s something seriously wrong with this post where is the hatred ? You’ve got form on here for labelling people how would yu describe an angry crowd trying to stop a life boat being launched?was it an angry crowd ? Hatred is a very strong word he said in he’s post there’s something seriously wrong with this country I don’t agree but let me guess you do ? I agree that something is seriously wrong with this country, we have a bunch of incompetent idiots in charge, more concerned with filling their own pockets than the lives of the average person. We have a system were effectively you can buy a peerage for 3 million quid. We have in excess of 4 million kids living in poverty and it takes a footballer to shame the government into action. We have a system where families depend on food banks to get through. Is any of that "right"? trust you eh he was talking about a serious problem in this country regarding racism read the posts before commenting please we have a problem but not as bad as most yes you can trust me to highlight the failings of this crop of clowns and charlatans We are that "good" at race relations that even the UN thinks we have a problem and have tried to whitewash the issues. The post you refer to, and quote, asks about hatred. hatted of people coming here and you make it about the government as always true to form To be fair, the Government is to blame for this. Historically, we have had higher numbers of asylum seekers who arrived under the radar because they came via safe routes. This Government has closed down all safe routes and legislated that asylum can only be claimed here in the U.K. This means that smaller numbers of people are taking more dangerous and higher profile routes to get to the U.K. to claim asylum. Certain sections of the media and right wing personalities are seizing in the issue to such a degree that outright hatred is now being directed at the channel crossers. It is the Governments fault. They just need to open safe routes and live up to their international responsibilities. We would still get the asylum seekers but 1) they wouldn’t have to risk death crossing the channel 2) the process would be low profile and 3) there would not be such hatred whipped up in society. Are you suggesting that people have a right to live any country they choose to? And if they are denied entry then that country should change its law to allow them to live there? This a genuine question by the way" That is quite a tangent from the topic isn’t it? The answer is no of course, and there are rules for asylum seekers and the fact that the vast majority who arrive here are given asylum is testament to that. On a related theme, I think that the whole notion of asylum seeking and economic migration will be thrown on its head in the coming years if (as is predicted) climate change - however the cause - starts to impact the natural provisions of food and water on the planet. We (the planet) will then be faced with tens of millions of displaced people and that will be a challenge. | |||
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ssue has been going on for 30+ years so hardly the creation of this government."The boats is a recent form of crossing so unless Boris or his mates are supplying them, you can’t blame the government. The issue of illegal immigration attempts across the channel has been going on for 30 years. Pretty sure you knew what I meant. | |||
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The boats is a recent form of crossing so unless Boris or his mates are supplying them, you can’t blame the government. The issue of illegal immigration attempts across the channel has been going on for 30 years. Pretty sure you knew what I meant."I was confused, the issue is a bunch of nuggets trying to stop the launch of a lifeboat, so I was a little taken back when you said it was going on for 30 years Illegal immigration has been taking place as long as immigration has been a codified process. | |||
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"Use Google people, think law was 1971.... but its not hard to find news articles, First rnli breaking law immigration Then priti Patel rnli for latest changes... "https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/rnli-channel-boat-rescues-prosecution-b1967627.html%3famp I did | |||
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I did "Okay it looks like the law in 1971 was to be ammended so that it didn't just those who smuggled people "for gain". Assuming this is the same law. https://marineindustrynews.co.uk/rnli-issues-defiant-statement-regarding-migrant-rescues/ Which then put RNLI in the firing line. So Pretti is correcting her mistakes by the look of it. | |||
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Okay it looks like the law in 1971 was to be ammended so that it didn't just those who smuggled people "for gain". Assuming this is the same law.
https://marineindustrynews.co.uk/rnli-issues-defiant-statement-regarding-migrant-rescues/
Which then put RNLI in the firing line.
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Okay it looks like the law in 1971 was to be ammended so that it didn't just those who smuggled people "for gain". Assuming this is the same law.
https://marineindustrynews.co.uk/rnli-issues-defiant-statement-regarding-migrant-rescues/
Which then put RNLI in the firing line.
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"I read that the police attended the situation but did not make any arrests. Surely it illegal to even hinder a lifeboat launch let alone prevent it. Maybe the police should have arrested some to make a point at least It is an offence to hinder a lifeboat. The act dates from 2006, and carries a penalty of an unlimited fine. " Suggest you use Google and hear what proper barristers had to say, financial times in July. ... | |||
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"I read that the police attended the situation but did not make any arrests. Surely it illegal to even hinder a lifeboat launch let alone prevent it. Maybe the police should have arrested some to make a point at least It is an offence to hinder a lifeboat. The act dates from 2006, and carries a penalty of an unlimited fine. Suggest you use Google and hear what proper barristers had to say, financial times in July. ... "can you quote for us ? The July article I'm looking at doesn't mention laws about hidnering life boats ... | |||
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"I read that the police attended the situation but did not make any arrests. Surely it illegal to even hinder a lifeboat launch let alone prevent it. Maybe the police should have arrested some to make a point at least It is an offence to hinder a lifeboat. The act dates from 2006, and carries a penalty of an unlimited fine. Suggest you use Google and hear what proper barristers had to say, financial times in July. ... can you quote for us ? The July article I'm looking at doesn't mention laws about hidnering life boats ..."Google rnli committing criminal offence | |||
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"I read that the police attended the situation but did not make any arrests. Surely it illegal to even hinder a lifeboat launch let alone prevent it. Maybe the police should have arrested some to make a point at least It is an offence to hinder a lifeboat. The act dates from 2006, and carries a penalty of an unlimited fine. Suggest you use Google and hear what proper barristers had to say, financial times in July. ... can you quote for us ? The July article I'm looking at doesn't mention laws about hidnering life boats ...
Google rnli committing criminal offence "that's the one. Nothing on laws about preventing lifeboats Comment on the "draft legislation that barristers say could threaten volunteers with life imprisonment for picking up asylum seekers." That bit has been covered I think. | |||
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"I read that the police attended the situation but did not make any arrests. Surely it illegal to even hinder a lifeboat launch let alone prevent it. Maybe the police should have arrested some to make a point at least It is an offence to hinder a lifeboat. The act dates from 2006, and carries a penalty of an unlimited fine. Suggest you use Google and hear what proper barristers had to say, financial times in July. ... can you quote for us ? The July article I'm looking at doesn't mention laws about hidnering life boats ...
Google rnli committing criminal offence that's the one.
Nothing on laws about preventing lifeboats
Comment on the "draft legislation that barristers say could threaten volunteers with life imprisonment for picking up asylum seekers."
That bit has been covered I think. "It's a threat to hinder but it's illegal to help....etc etc they aren't in a life boats, they are in a boat trying to gain entry! | |||
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"I read that the police attended the situation but did not make any arrests. Surely it illegal to even hinder a lifeboat launch let alone prevent it. Maybe the police should have arrested some to make a point at least It is an offence to hinder a lifeboat. The act dates from 2006, and carries a penalty of an unlimited fine. Suggest you use Google and hear what proper barristers had to say, financial times in July. ... can you quote for us ? The July article I'm looking at doesn't mention laws about hidnering life boats ...
Google rnli committing criminal offence that's the one.
Nothing on laws about preventing lifeboats
Comment on the "draft legislation that barristers say could threaten volunteers with life imprisonment for picking up asylum seekers."
That bit has been covered I think.
It's a threat to hinder but it's illegal to help....etc etc they aren't in a life boats, they are in a boat trying to gain entry!"I have no idea what the point you're trying to make here is. But I've learnt some stuff in trying to understand so a good chat ! | |||
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"Is it their legal right to protest? Protest about what? Whatever it is they don't agree with. Climate protests slow an ambulance down "Lock 'em up" Bunch of alleged fishermen try to stop a life boat getting launched "Don't they have a right to protest?" BOTH are emergency vehicles. It was just a question sweetheart. If you don't know the answer, it's ok to say "I don't know" or just not answer at all.
Handily you provided a great example of the double think the right in this country indulge in, well done you "Or it could easily be a good example of double think by the left. Eco warriors stop an ambulance "right to protest. Fishermen/passers by stop a life boat "lock 'em up" Personally I wouldn't agree with either but here's a thought. What if the French police actually did the job they have been paid 50 odd million to do. You know, actually stopping unsafe vessels putting to sea in the first place. I'm pretty sure that would save more lives than any lifeboat. | |||
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"Is it their legal right to protest? Protest about what? Whatever it is they don't agree with. Climate protests slow an ambulance down "Lock 'em up" Bunch of alleged fishermen try to stop a life boat getting launched "Don't they have a right to protest?" BOTH are emergency vehicles. It was just a question sweetheart. If you don't know the answer, it's ok to say "I don't know" or just not answer at all.
Handily you provided a great example of the double think the right in this country indulge in, well done you
Or it could easily be a good example of double think by the left.
Eco warriors stop an ambulance "right to protest.
Fishermen/passers by stop a life boat "lock 'em up"
Personally I wouldn't agree with either but here's a thought.
What if the French police actually did the job they have been paid 50 odd million to do. You know, actually stopping unsafe vessels putting to sea in the first place.
I'm pretty sure that would save more lives than any lifeboat.
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"Is it their legal right to protest? Protest about what? Whatever it is they don't agree with. Climate protests slow an ambulance down "Lock 'em up" Bunch of alleged fishermen try to stop a life boat getting launched "Don't they have a right to protest?" BOTH are emergency vehicles. It was just a question sweetheart. If you don't know the answer, it's ok to say "I don't know" or just not answer at all.
Handily you provided a great example of the double think the right in this country indulge in, well done you
Or it could easily be a good example of double think by the left.
Eco warriors stop an ambulance "right to protest.
Fishermen/passers by stop a life boat "lock 'em up"
Personally I wouldn't agree with either but here's a thought.
What if the French police actually did the job they have been paid 50 odd million to do. You know, actually stopping unsafe vessels putting to sea in the first place.
I'm pretty sure that would save more lives than any lifeboat.
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"Is it their legal right to protest? Protest about what? Whatever it is they don't agree with. Climate protests slow an ambulance down "Lock 'em up" Bunch of alleged fishermen try to stop a life boat getting launched "Don't they have a right to protest?" BOTH are emergency vehicles. It was just a question sweetheart. If you don't know the answer, it's ok to say "I don't know" or just not answer at all.
Handily you provided a great example of the double think the right in this country indulge in, well done you
Or it could easily be a good example of double think by the left.
Eco warriors stop an ambulance "right to protest.
Fishermen/passers by stop a life boat "lock 'em up"
Personally I wouldn't agree with either but here's a thought.
What if the French police actually did the job they have been paid 50 odd million to do. You know, actually stopping unsafe vessels putting to sea in the first place.
I'm pretty sure that would save more lives than any lifeboat.
The French haven’t been paid ‘50 odd million ‘ "Physically paid or not. The money is on the table. Besides, wouldn't you think the French police should be more concerned about saving lives than who is picking up the tab? | |||
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"Is it their legal right to protest? Protest about what? Whatever it is they don't agree with. Climate protests slow an ambulance down "Lock 'em up" Bunch of alleged fishermen try to stop a life boat getting launched "Don't they have a right to protest?" BOTH are emergency vehicles. It was just a question sweetheart. If you don't know the answer, it's ok to say "I don't know" or just not answer at all.
Handily you provided a great example of the double think the right in this country indulge in, well done you
Or it could easily be a good example of double think by the left.
Eco warriors stop an ambulance "right to protest.
Fishermen/passers by stop a life boat "lock 'em up"
Personally I wouldn't agree with either but here's a thought.
What if the French police actually did the job they have been paid 50 odd million to do. You know, actually stopping unsafe vessels putting to sea in the first place.
I'm pretty sure that would save more lives than any lifeboat.
The French haven’t been paid ‘50 odd million ‘
Physically paid or not. The money is on the table.
Besides, wouldn't you think the French police should be more concerned about saving lives than who is picking up the tab?"Nothing has been paid. The French and British should find a solution and give these people safe passage, that is the best way to guarantee lives will be saved | |||
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"The RNLI were granted immunity to the Immigration Act 1971, Section 24. This involves being a third party aiding someone to enter the UK illegally. " we are talking about different bits then. I was talking about the changes to section 25A that and the Bill that will remove the phrase "for gain" from section 25A which means RNLI could be breaking the (new, future) law. The JC on Human Rights said this clause of the bill to remove the phrase "for gain" should be removed from the Bill. Looks like they have added a carve out for the coastguard. But as far as I can tell it is not illegal today for the rnli to do their job, an sit was only changes being proposed by HMG that made it illegal. They have now ammended their proposals having been challenged. | |||
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"Is it their legal right to protest? Protest about what? Whatever it is they don't agree with. Climate protests slow an ambulance down "Lock 'em up" Bunch of alleged fishermen try to stop a life boat getting launched "Don't they have a right to protest?" BOTH are emergency vehicles. It was just a question sweetheart. If you don't know the answer, it's ok to say "I don't know" or just not answer at all.
Handily you provided a great example of the double think the right in this country indulge in, well done you
Or it could easily be a good example of double think by the left.
Eco warriors stop an ambulance "right to protest.
Fishermen/passers by stop a life boat "lock 'em up"
Personally I wouldn't agree with either but here's a thought.
What if the French police actually did the job they have been paid 50 odd million to do. You know, actually stopping unsafe vessels putting to sea in the first place.
I'm pretty sure that would save more lives than any lifeboat.
The French haven’t been paid ‘50 odd million ‘
Physically paid or not. The money is on the table.
Besides, wouldn't you think the French police should be more concerned about saving lives than who is picking up the tab?
Nothing has been paid. The French and British should find a solution and give these people safe passage, that is the best way to guarantee lives will be saved "And who is going to pick up the tab for that? The French? They seem to be desperate to get rid of the migrants so why not? Britain? Even assuming that they are all genuine refugees (which they are not) Then why should Britain pay for them to flee from one democratic safe country to another just because they want to? Asylum is for safety, it isn't a wish concert. | |||
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"There was heated words between a fisherman and a member of the RNLI crew about the manner of the launch, and at no time did "fishermen" stop the launch. Abuse about actually the reason for the launch came from a paaser-by, reported to be a lorry driver. There was no suggestion that any migrant was drowning, more a call to assist. Source? Hastings and St Leonards Oberver Can you provide quotes because that's not what was in the other papers. Posted on their online edition at 14.52 today. The RNLI have confirmed that a group of people tried to stop a rescue boat from being launched abs the police were called . Why are you trying to defend this? Point to the place where I'm trying to defend it? I'm trying to establish the facts, rather tban just take one side of the story. Fair enough, are you disputing that people tried to obstruct the the boat and the police were called ? The short piece of video i've seen just shows some abuse. The statement that I saw earlier, just said that "the RNLI confirm that an incident took place and that the police were called". I'm sure that now the mainstream media have picked up on it, then further statements will be forthcoming. Local news is always my go to on events like this, and I was reporting on the latest version. Again, fair enough, none of this looks good wether it was verbal abuse or physically trying to stop the boat, these people are morons So there we are then. Anyone wishing to come to the UK from wherever by dubious means is good and to be lauded. Anyone from the UK that questions this or the challenges faced, are racist morons. On a separate note, I would never donate to the RNLI. They are awash with money and a rotten organisation at the top. At local level, great people being badly led. What? Who called them racist? Btw, I will now donate extra to the RNLI "After Summer's events with the RNLI and others publicly complaining that they object to them saving lives, I have started donating to regularly to the RNLI. A life is a life, no matter who or no matter where they originate and this is the motto these brave guys thar risk their lives for others. Anyone abusive, obstructive or threatening should be prosecuted under the Blue Light laws which carry harsher sentences. | |||
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"Is it their legal right to protest? Protest about what? Whatever it is they don't agree with. Climate protests slow an ambulance down "Lock 'em up" Bunch of alleged fishermen try to stop a life boat getting launched "Don't they have a right to protest?" BOTH are emergency vehicles. It was just a question sweetheart. If you don't know the answer, it's ok to say "I don't know" or just not answer at all.
Handily you provided a great example of the double think the right in this country indulge in, well done you
Or it could easily be a good example of double think by the left.
Eco warriors stop an ambulance "right to protest.
Fishermen/passers by stop a life boat "lock 'em up"
Personally I wouldn't agree with either but here's a thought.
What if the French police actually did the job they have been paid 50 odd million to do. You know, actually stopping unsafe vessels putting to sea in the first place.
I'm pretty sure that would save more lives than any lifeboat.
The French haven’t been paid ‘50 odd million ‘
Physically paid or not. The money is on the table.
Besides, wouldn't you think the French police should be more concerned about saving lives than who is picking up the tab?
Nothing has been paid. The French and British should find a solution and give these people safe passage, that is the best way to guarantee lives will be saved
And who is going to pick up the tab for that?
The French? They seem to be desperate to get rid of the migrants so why not?
Britain? Even assuming that they are all genuine refugees (which they are not) Then why should Britain pay for them to flee from one democratic safe country to another just because they want to?
Asylum is for safety, it isn't a wish concert. "A joint effort, split the cost , it is their legal right to come here , btw I thought this was all about saving lives? Make your mind up | |||
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"There was heated words between a fisherman and a member of the RNLI crew about the manner of the launch, and at no time did "fishermen" stop the launch. Abuse about actually the reason for the launch came from a paaser-by, reported to be a lorry driver. There was no suggestion that any migrant was drowning, more a call to assist. Source? Hastings and St Leonards Oberver Can you provide quotes because that's not what was in the other papers. Posted on their online edition at 14.52 today. The RNLI have confirmed that a group of people tried to stop a rescue boat from being launched abs the police were called . Why are you trying to defend this? Point to the place where I'm trying to defend it? I'm trying to establish the facts, rather tban just take one side of the story. Fair enough, are you disputing that people tried to obstruct the the boat and the police were called ? The short piece of video i've seen just shows some abuse. The statement that I saw earlier, just said that "the RNLI confirm that an incident took place and that the police were called". I'm sure that now the mainstream media have picked up on it, then further statements will be forthcoming. Local news is always my go to on events like this, and I was reporting on the latest version. Again, fair enough, none of this looks good wether it was verbal abuse or physically trying to stop the boat, these people are morons So there we are then. Anyone wishing to come to the UK from wherever by dubious means is good and to be lauded. Anyone from the UK that questions this or the challenges faced, are racist morons. On a separate note, I would never donate to the RNLI. They are awash with money and a rotten organisation at the top. At local level, great people being badly led. What? Who called them racist? Btw, I will now donate extra to the RNLI
After Summer's events with the RNLI and others publicly complaining that they object to them saving lives, I have started donating to regularly to the RNLI.
A life is a life, no matter who or no matter where they originate and this is the motto these brave guys thar risk their lives for others.
Anyone abusive, obstructive or threatening should be prosecuted under the Blue Light laws which carry harsher sentences.
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"Is it their legal right to protest? Protest about what? Whatever it is they don't agree with. Climate protests slow an ambulance down "Lock 'em up" Bunch of alleged fishermen try to stop a life boat getting launched "Don't they have a right to protest?" BOTH are emergency vehicles. It was just a question sweetheart. If you don't know the answer, it's ok to say "I don't know" or just not answer at all.
Handily you provided a great example of the double think the right in this country indulge in, well done you
Or it could easily be a good example of double think by the left.
Eco warriors stop an ambulance "right to protest.
Fishermen/passers by stop a life boat "lock 'em up"
Personally I wouldn't agree with either but here's a thought.
What if the French police actually did the job they have been paid 50 odd million to do. You know, actually stopping unsafe vessels putting to sea in the first place.
I'm pretty sure that would save more lives than any lifeboat.
The French haven’t been paid ‘50 odd million ‘
Physically paid or not. The money is on the table.
Besides, wouldn't you think the French police should be more concerned about saving lives than who is picking up the tab?
Nothing has been paid. The French and British should find a solution and give these people safe passage, that is the best way to guarantee lives will be saved
And who is going to pick up the tab for that?
The French? They seem to be desperate to get rid of the migrants so why not?
Britain? Even assuming that they are all genuine refugees (which they are not) Then why should Britain pay for them to flee from one democratic safe country to another just because they want to?
Asylum is for safety, it isn't a wish concert.
A joint effort, split the cost , it is their legal right to come here , btw I thought this was all about saving lives? Make your mind up "They do not have a legal right to enter Britain. Economic migrants have no legal right to enter at all. Genuine refugees have the legal responsibility to claim asylum in the first safe country. Many are crossing Poland (EU) Germany (EU) Belgium (EU) France (EU) before attempting to get into Britain. Are you saying that the EU isn't safe? | |||
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"Is it their legal right to protest? Protest about what? Whatever it is they don't agree with. Climate protests slow an ambulance down "Lock 'em up" Bunch of alleged fishermen try to stop a life boat getting launched "Don't they have a right to protest?" BOTH are emergency vehicles. It was just a question sweetheart. If you don't know the answer, it's ok to say "I don't know" or just not answer at all.
Handily you provided a great example of the double think the right in this country indulge in, well done you
Or it could easily be a good example of double think by the left.
Eco warriors stop an ambulance "right to protest.
Fishermen/passers by stop a life boat "lock 'em up"
Personally I wouldn't agree with either but here's a thought.
What if the French police actually did the job they have been paid 50 odd million to do. You know, actually stopping unsafe vessels putting to sea in the first place.
I'm pretty sure that would save more lives than any lifeboat.
The French haven’t been paid ‘50 odd million ‘
Physically paid or not. The money is on the table.
Besides, wouldn't you think the French police should be more concerned about saving lives than who is picking up the tab?
Nothing has been paid. The French and British should find a solution and give these people safe passage, that is the best way to guarantee lives will be saved
And who is going to pick up the tab for that?
The French? They seem to be desperate to get rid of the migrants so why not?
Britain? Even assuming that they are all genuine refugees (which they are not) Then why should Britain pay for them to flee from one democratic safe country to another just because they want to?
Asylum is for safety, it isn't a wish concert.
A joint effort, split the cost , it is their legal right to come here , btw I thought this was all about saving lives? Make your mind up
They do not have a legal right to enter Britain.
Economic migrants have no legal right to enter at all.
Genuine refugees have the legal responsibility to claim asylum in the first safe country.
Many are crossing Poland (EU) Germany (EU) Belgium (EU) France (EU) before attempting to get into Britain.
Are you saying that the EU isn't safe?
"They do have a legal right and most do stay in the EU (because, like yourself they prefer living there) the small minority want to come here , perhaps they are anti EU or have heard about the sunlit uplands . Once they arrive then it is up to the authorities to decide wether they are economic migrants or not , until then they are classed as asylum seekers . Btw, I though this was all about saving lives? | |||
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"Is it their legal right to protest? Protest about what? Whatever it is they don't agree with. Climate protests slow an ambulance down "Lock 'em up" Bunch of alleged fishermen try to stop a life boat getting launched "Don't they have a right to protest?" BOTH are emergency vehicles. It was just a question sweetheart. If you don't know the answer, it's ok to say "I don't know" or just not answer at all.
Handily you provided a great example of the double think the right in this country indulge in, well done you
Or it could easily be a good example of double think by the left.
Eco warriors stop an ambulance "right to protest.
Fishermen/passers by stop a life boat "lock 'em up"
Personally I wouldn't agree with either but here's a thought.
What if the French police actually did the job they have been paid 50 odd million to do. You know, actually stopping unsafe vessels putting to sea in the first place.
I'm pretty sure that would save more lives than any lifeboat.
The French haven’t been paid ‘50 odd million ‘
Physically paid or not. The money is on the table.
Besides, wouldn't you think the French police should be more concerned about saving lives than who is picking up the tab?
Nothing has been paid. The French and British should find a solution and give these people safe passage, that is the best way to guarantee lives will be saved
And who is going to pick up the tab for that?
The French? They seem to be desperate to get rid of the migrants so why not?
Britain? Even assuming that they are all genuine refugees (which they are not) Then why should Britain pay for them to flee from one democratic safe country to another just because they want to?
Asylum is for safety, it isn't a wish concert.
A joint effort, split the cost , it is their legal right to come here , btw I thought this was all about saving lives? Make your mind up
They do not have a legal right to enter Britain.
Economic migrants have no legal right to enter at all.
Genuine refugees have the legal responsibility to claim asylum in the first safe country.
Many are crossing Poland (EU) Germany (EU) Belgium (EU) France (EU) before attempting to get into Britain.
Are you saying that the EU isn't safe?
They do have a legal right and most do stay in the EU (because, like yourself they prefer living there) the small minority want to come here , perhaps they are anti EU or have heard about the sunlit uplands . Once they arrive then it is up to the authorities to decide wether they are economic migrants or not , until then they are classed as asylum seekers . Btw, I though this was all about saving lives? "Good to see you actually listened about staying on topic and also good to see people inland contributing to our fine RNLI something good has come out of it well done you. | |||
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"Is it their legal right to protest? Protest about what? Whatever it is they don't agree with. Climate protests slow an ambulance down "Lock 'em up" Bunch of alleged fishermen try to stop a life boat getting launched "Don't they have a right to protest?" BOTH are emergency vehicles. It was just a question sweetheart. If you don't know the answer, it's ok to say "I don't know" or just not answer at all.
Handily you provided a great example of the double think the right in this country indulge in, well done you
Or it could easily be a good example of double think by the left.
Eco warriors stop an ambulance "right to protest.
Fishermen/passers by stop a life boat "lock 'em up"
Personally I wouldn't agree with either but here's a thought.
What if the French police actually did the job they have been paid 50 odd million to do. You know, actually stopping unsafe vessels putting to sea in the first place.
I'm pretty sure that would save more lives than any lifeboat.
The French haven’t been paid ‘50 odd million ‘
Physically paid or not. The money is on the table.
Besides, wouldn't you think the French police should be more concerned about saving lives than who is picking up the tab?
Nothing has been paid. The French and British should find a solution and give these people safe passage, that is the best way to guarantee lives will be saved
And who is going to pick up the tab for that?
The French? They seem to be desperate to get rid of the migrants so why not?
Britain? Even assuming that they are all genuine refugees (which they are not) Then why should Britain pay for them to flee from one democratic safe country to another just because they want to?
Asylum is for safety, it isn't a wish concert.
A joint effort, split the cost , it is their legal right to come here , btw I thought this was all about saving lives? Make your mind up
They do not have a legal right to enter Britain.
Economic migrants have no legal right to enter at all.
Genuine refugees have the legal responsibility to claim asylum in the first safe country.
Many are crossing Poland (EU) Germany (EU) Belgium (EU) France (EU) before attempting to get into Britain.
Are you saying that the EU isn't safe?
They do have a legal right and most do stay in the EU (because, like yourself they prefer living there) the small minority want to come here , perhaps they are anti EU or have heard about the sunlit uplands . Once they arrive then it is up to the authorities to decide wether they are economic migrants or not , until then they are classed as asylum seekers . Btw, I though this was all about saving lives? Good to see you actually listened about staying on topic and also good to see people inland contributing to our fine RNLI something good has come out of it well done you. "They deserve every penny, the people who were abusing them are morons | |||
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"Is it their legal right to protest? Protest about what? Whatever it is they don't agree with. Climate protests slow an ambulance down "Lock 'em up" Bunch of alleged fishermen try to stop a life boat getting launched "Don't they have a right to protest?" BOTH are emergency vehicles. It was just a question sweetheart. If you don't know the answer, it's ok to say "I don't know" or just not answer at all.
Handily you provided a great example of the double think the right in this country indulge in, well done you
Or it could easily be a good example of double think by the left.
Eco warriors stop an ambulance "right to protest.
Fishermen/passers by stop a life boat "lock 'em up"
Personally I wouldn't agree with either but here's a thought.
What if the French police actually did the job they have been paid 50 odd million to do. You know, actually stopping unsafe vessels putting to sea in the first place.
I'm pretty sure that would save more lives than any lifeboat.
The French haven’t been paid ‘50 odd million ‘
Physically paid or not. The money is on the table.
Besides, wouldn't you think the French police should be more concerned about saving lives than who is picking up the tab?
Nothing has been paid. The French and British should find a solution and give these people safe passage, that is the best way to guarantee lives will be saved
And who is going to pick up the tab for that?
The French? They seem to be desperate to get rid of the migrants so why not?
Britain? Even assuming that they are all genuine refugees (which they are not) Then why should Britain pay for them to flee from one democratic safe country to another just because they want to?
Asylum is for safety, it isn't a wish concert.
A joint effort, split the cost , it is their legal right to come here , btw I thought this was all about saving lives? Make your mind up
They do not have a legal right to enter Britain.
Economic migrants have no legal right to enter at all.
Genuine refugees have the legal responsibility to claim asylum in the first safe country.
Many are crossing Poland (EU) Germany (EU) Belgium (EU) France (EU) before attempting to get into Britain.
Are you saying that the EU isn't safe?
They do have a legal right and most do stay in the EU (because, like yourself they prefer living there) the small minority want to come here , perhaps they are anti EU or have heard about the sunlit uplands . Once they arrive then it is up to the authorities to decide wether they are economic migrants or not , until then they are classed as asylum seekers . Btw, I though this was all about saving lives? Good to see you actually listened about staying on topic and also good to see people inland contributing to our fine RNLI something good has come out of it well done you.
They deserve every penny, the people who were abusing them are morons "I totally agree and have supported them most of my life they put their lives in danger everytime they set out. what i dont agree with is the morons who set sail in unseaworthy vessels and then expect these brave people to risk their lives to save them. | |||
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"Is it their legal right to protest? Protest about what? Whatever it is they don't agree with. Climate protests slow an ambulance down "Lock 'em up" Bunch of alleged fishermen try to stop a life boat getting launched "Don't they have a right to protest?" BOTH are emergency vehicles. It was just a question sweetheart. If you don't know the answer, it's ok to say "I don't know" or just not answer at all.
Handily you provided a great example of the double think the right in this country indulge in, well done you
Or it could easily be a good example of double think by the left.
Eco warriors stop an ambulance "right to protest.
Fishermen/passers by stop a life boat "lock 'em up"
Personally I wouldn't agree with either but here's a thought.
What if the French police actually did the job they have been paid 50 odd million to do. You know, actually stopping unsafe vessels putting to sea in the first place.
I'm pretty sure that would save more lives than any lifeboat.
The French haven’t been paid ‘50 odd million ‘
Physically paid or not. The money is on the table.
Besides, wouldn't you think the French police should be more concerned about saving lives than who is picking up the tab?
Nothing has been paid. The French and British should find a solution and give these people safe passage, that is the best way to guarantee lives will be saved
And who is going to pick up the tab for that?
The French? They seem to be desperate to get rid of the migrants so why not?
Britain? Even assuming that they are all genuine refugees (which they are not) Then why should Britain pay for them to flee from one democratic safe country to another just because they want to?
Asylum is for safety, it isn't a wish concert.
A joint effort, split the cost , it is their legal right to come here , btw I thought this was all about saving lives? Make your mind up
They do not have a legal right to enter Britain.
Economic migrants have no legal right to enter at all.
Genuine refugees have the legal responsibility to claim asylum in the first safe country.
Many are crossing Poland (EU) Germany (EU) Belgium (EU) France (EU) before attempting to get into Britain.
Are you saying that the EU isn't safe?
They do have a legal right and most do stay in the EU (because, like yourself they prefer living there) the small minority want to come here , perhaps they are anti EU or have heard about the sunlit uplands . Once they arrive then it is up to the authorities to decide wether they are economic migrants or not , until then they are classed as asylum seekers . Btw, I though this was all about saving lives? "It is about saving lives. The best way to save them is to stop them putting to sea in the first place. But giving them all a free pass into Britain and then trying to out the genuine from the chancers is not the way to do it. Once in they slosh around in the legal system for years, as we saw recently with the taxi bomber in Liverpool. Process them offshore (as Australia does) then by all means allow the genuine ones in. But the chancers with their "lost" papers have to be refused and deported. BTW. You may have missed it but the French authorities say it will take weeks or months to identify all of the bodies picked up in the channel last week (some may never be identified at all) Reason? Hardly any of them had any papers. | |||
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"Is it their legal right to protest? Protest about what? Whatever it is they don't agree with. Climate protests slow an ambulance down "Lock 'em up" Bunch of alleged fishermen try to stop a life boat getting launched "Don't they have a right to protest?" BOTH are emergency vehicles. It was just a question sweetheart. If you don't know the answer, it's ok to say "I don't know" or just not answer at all.
Handily you provided a great example of the double think the right in this country indulge in, well done you
Or it could easily be a good example of double think by the left.
Eco warriors stop an ambulance "right to protest.
Fishermen/passers by stop a life boat "lock 'em up"
Personally I wouldn't agree with either but here's a thought.
What if the French police actually did the job they have been paid 50 odd million to do. You know, actually stopping unsafe vessels putting to sea in the first place.
I'm pretty sure that would save more lives than any lifeboat.
The French haven’t been paid ‘50 odd million ‘
Physically paid or not. The money is on the table.
Besides, wouldn't you think the French police should be more concerned about saving lives than who is picking up the tab?
Nothing has been paid. The French and British should find a solution and give these people safe passage, that is the best way to guarantee lives will be saved
And who is going to pick up the tab for that?
The French? They seem to be desperate to get rid of the migrants so why not?
Britain? Even assuming that they are all genuine refugees (which they are not) Then why should Britain pay for them to flee from one democratic safe country to another just because they want to?
Asylum is for safety, it isn't a wish concert.
A joint effort, split the cost , it is their legal right to come here , btw I thought this was all about saving lives? Make your mind up
They do not have a legal right to enter Britain.
Economic migrants have no legal right to enter at all.
Genuine refugees have the legal responsibility to claim asylum in the first safe country.
Many are crossing Poland (EU) Germany (EU) Belgium (EU) France (EU) before attempting to get into Britain.
Are you saying that the EU isn't safe?
They do have a legal right and most do stay in the EU (because, like yourself they prefer living there) the small minority want to come here , perhaps they are anti EU or have heard about the sunlit uplands . Once they arrive then it is up to the authorities to decide wether they are economic migrants or not , until then they are classed as asylum seekers . Btw, I though this was all about saving lives?
It is about saving lives.
The best way to save them is to stop them putting to sea in the first place.
But giving them all a free pass into Britain and then trying to out the genuine from the chancers is not the way to do it.
Once in they slosh around in the legal system for years, as we saw recently with the taxi bomber in Liverpool.
Process them offshore (as Australia does) then by all means allow the genuine ones in. But the chancers with their "lost" papers have to be refused and deported.
BTW. You may have missed it but the French authorities say it will take weeks or months to identify all of the bodies picked up in the channel last week (some may never be identified at all) Reason? Hardly any of them had any papers."You can’t stop them all , give them safe passage , that will stop anyone from dying and prevent criminals from profiteering.you have to face facts They are legally entitled to come here | |||
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"Is it their legal right to protest? Protest about what? Whatever it is they don't agree with. Climate protests slow an ambulance down "Lock 'em up" Bunch of alleged fishermen try to stop a life boat getting launched "Don't they have a right to protest?" BOTH are emergency vehicles. It was just a question sweetheart. If you don't know the answer, it's ok to say "I don't know" or just not answer at all.
Handily you provided a great example of the double think the right in this country indulge in, well done you
Or it could easily be a good example of double think by the left.
Eco warriors stop an ambulance "right to protest.
Fishermen/passers by stop a life boat "lock 'em up"
Personally I wouldn't agree with either but here's a thought.
What if the French police actually did the job they have been paid 50 odd million to do. You know, actually stopping unsafe vessels putting to sea in the first place.
I'm pretty sure that would save more lives than any lifeboat.
The French haven’t been paid ‘50 odd million ‘
Physically paid or not. The money is on the table.
Besides, wouldn't you think the French police should be more concerned about saving lives than who is picking up the tab?
Nothing has been paid. The French and British should find a solution and give these people safe passage, that is the best way to guarantee lives will be saved
And who is going to pick up the tab for that?
The French? They seem to be desperate to get rid of the migrants so why not?
Britain? Even assuming that they are all genuine refugees (which they are not) Then why should Britain pay for them to flee from one democratic safe country to another just because they want to?
Asylum is for safety, it isn't a wish concert.
A joint effort, split the cost , it is their legal right to come here , btw I thought this was all about saving lives? Make your mind up
They do not have a legal right to enter Britain.
Economic migrants have no legal right to enter at all.
Genuine refugees have the legal responsibility to claim asylum in the first safe country.
Many are crossing Poland (EU) Germany (EU) Belgium (EU) France (EU) before attempting to get into Britain.
Are you saying that the EU isn't safe?
They do have a legal right and most do stay in the EU (because, like yourself they prefer living there) the small minority want to come here , perhaps they are anti EU or have heard about the sunlit uplands . Once they arrive then it is up to the authorities to decide wether they are economic migrants or not , until then they are classed as asylum seekers . Btw, I though this was all about saving lives?
It is about saving lives.
The best way to save them is to stop them putting to sea in the first place.
But giving them all a free pass into Britain and then trying to out the genuine from the chancers is not the way to do it.
Once in they slosh around in the legal system for years, as we saw recently with the taxi bomber in Liverpool.
Process them offshore (as Australia does) then by all means allow the genuine ones in. But the chancers with their "lost" papers have to be refused and deported.
BTW. You may have missed it but the French authorities say it will take weeks or months to identify all of the bodies picked up in the channel last week (some may never be identified at all) Reason? Hardly any of them had any papers.
You can’t stop them all , give them safe passage , that will stop anyone from dying and prevent criminals from profiteering.you have to face facts They are legally entitled to come here "Appears the EU are looking at changing the asylum rules on their Eastern board to stop the influx. | |||
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"Is it their legal right to protest? Protest about what? Whatever it is they don't agree with. Climate protests slow an ambulance down "Lock 'em up" Bunch of alleged fishermen try to stop a life boat getting launched "Don't they have a right to protest?" BOTH are emergency vehicles. It was just a question sweetheart. If you don't know the answer, it's ok to say "I don't know" or just not answer at all.
Handily you provided a great example of the double think the right in this country indulge in, well done you
Or it could easily be a good example of double think by the left.
Eco warriors stop an ambulance "right to protest.
Fishermen/passers by stop a life boat "lock 'em up"
Personally I wouldn't agree with either but here's a thought.
What if the French police actually did the job they have been paid 50 odd million to do. You know, actually stopping unsafe vessels putting to sea in the first place.
I'm pretty sure that would save more lives than any lifeboat.
The French haven’t been paid ‘50 odd million ‘
Physically paid or not. The money is on the table.
Besides, wouldn't you think the French police should be more concerned about saving lives than who is picking up the tab?
Nothing has been paid. The French and British should find a solution and give these people safe passage, that is the best way to guarantee lives will be saved
And who is going to pick up the tab for that?
The French? They seem to be desperate to get rid of the migrants so why not?
Britain? Even assuming that they are all genuine refugees (which they are not) Then why should Britain pay for them to flee from one democratic safe country to another just because they want to?
Asylum is for safety, it isn't a wish concert.
A joint effort, split the cost , it is their legal right to come here , btw I thought this was all about saving lives? Make your mind up
They do not have a legal right to enter Britain.
Economic migrants have no legal right to enter at all.
Genuine refugees have the legal responsibility to claim asylum in the first safe country.
Many are crossing Poland (EU) Germany (EU) Belgium (EU) France (EU) before attempting to get into Britain.
Are you saying that the EU isn't safe?
They do have a legal right and most do stay in the EU (because, like yourself they prefer living there) the small minority want to come here , perhaps they are anti EU or have heard about the sunlit uplands . Once they arrive then it is up to the authorities to decide wether they are economic migrants or not , until then they are classed as asylum seekers . Btw, I though this was all about saving lives?
It is about saving lives.
The best way to save them is to stop them putting to sea in the first place.
But giving them all a free pass into Britain and then trying to out the genuine from the chancers is not the way to do it.
Once in they slosh around in the legal system for years, as we saw recently with the taxi bomber in Liverpool.
Process them offshore (as Australia does) then by all means allow the genuine ones in. But the chancers with their "lost" papers have to be refused and deported.
BTW. You may have missed it but the French authorities say it will take weeks or months to identify all of the bodies picked up in the channel last week (some may never be identified at all) Reason? Hardly any of them had any papers.
You can’t stop them all , give them safe passage , that will stop anyone from dying and prevent criminals from profiteering.you have to face facts They are legally entitled to come here
Appears the EU are looking at changing the asylum rules on their Eastern board to stop the influx."Ah right, not sure if that will that stop the channel crossings as we are not in the EU anymore | |||
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"Genuine refugees have the legal responsibility to claim asylum in the first safe country." Don't believe that is true. Which law are you thinking of ? | |||
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"Genuine refugees have the legal responsibility to claim asylum in the first safe country. Don't believe that is true. Which law are you thinking of ?" Technically, they are supposed to proceed directly to their chosen country of asylum. I believe that its been tested in English law, and its been allowed for them to come by less direct means. | |||
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"Is it their legal right to protest? Protest about what? Whatever it is they don't agree with. Climate protests slow an ambulance down "Lock 'em up" Bunch of alleged fishermen try to stop a life boat getting launched "Don't they have a right to protest?" BOTH are emergency vehicles. It was just a question sweetheart. If you don't know the answer, it's ok to say "I don't know" or just not answer at all.
Handily you provided a great example of the double think the right in this country indulge in, well done you
Or it could easily be a good example of double think by the left.
Eco warriors stop an ambulance "right to protest.
Fishermen/passers by stop a life boat "lock 'em up"
Personally I wouldn't agree with either but here's a thought.
What if the French police actually did the job they have been paid 50 odd million to do. You know, actually stopping unsafe vessels putting to sea in the first place.
I'm pretty sure that would save more lives than any lifeboat.
The French haven’t been paid ‘50 odd million ‘
Physically paid or not. The money is on the table.
Besides, wouldn't you think the French police should be more concerned about saving lives than who is picking up the tab?
Nothing has been paid. The French and British should find a solution and give these people safe passage, that is the best way to guarantee lives will be saved
And who is going to pick up the tab for that?
The French? They seem to be desperate to get rid of the migrants so why not?
Britain? Even assuming that they are all genuine refugees (which they are not) Then why should Britain pay for them to flee from one democratic safe country to another just because they want to?
Asylum is for safety, it isn't a wish concert.
A joint effort, split the cost , it is their legal right to come here , btw I thought this was all about saving lives? Make your mind up
They do not have a legal right to enter Britain.
Economic migrants have no legal right to enter at all.
Genuine refugees have the legal responsibility to claim asylum in the first safe country.
Many are crossing Poland (EU) Germany (EU) Belgium (EU) France (EU) before attempting to get into Britain.
Are you saying that the EU isn't safe?
They do have a legal right and most do stay in the EU (because, like yourself they prefer living there) the small minority want to come here , perhaps they are anti EU or have heard about the sunlit uplands . Once they arrive then it is up to the authorities to decide wether they are economic migrants or not , until then they are classed as asylum seekers . Btw, I though this was all about saving lives?
It is about saving lives.
The best way to save them is to stop them putting to sea in the first place.
But giving them all a free pass into Britain and then trying to out the genuine from the chancers is not the way to do it.
Once in they slosh around in the legal system for years, as we saw recently with the taxi bomber in Liverpool.
Process them offshore (as Australia does) then by all means allow the genuine ones in. But the chancers with their "lost" papers have to be refused and deported.
BTW. You may have missed it but the French authorities say it will take weeks or months to identify all of the bodies picked up in the channel last week (some may never be identified at all) Reason? Hardly any of them had any papers.
You can’t stop them all , give them safe passage , that will stop anyone from dying and prevent criminals from profiteering.you have to face facts They are legally entitled to come here "so are you saying they are all legally entitled to come here or is this just your opinion? | |||
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"Is it their legal right to protest? Protest about what? Whatever it is they don't agree with. Climate protests slow an ambulance down "Lock 'em up" Bunch of alleged fishermen try to stop a life boat getting launched "Don't they have a right to protest?" BOTH are emergency vehicles. It was just a question sweetheart. If you don't know the answer, it's ok to say "I don't know" or just not answer at all.
Handily you provided a great example of the double think the right in this country indulge in, well done you
Or it could easily be a good example of double think by the left.
Eco warriors stop an ambulance "right to protest.
Fishermen/passers by stop a life boat "lock 'em up"
Personally I wouldn't agree with either but here's a thought.
What if the French police actually did the job they have been paid 50 odd million to do. You know, actually stopping unsafe vessels putting to sea in the first place.
I'm pretty sure that would save more lives than any lifeboat.
The French haven’t been paid ‘50 odd million ‘
Physically paid or not. The money is on the table.
Besides, wouldn't you think the French police should be more concerned about saving lives than who is picking up the tab?
Nothing has been paid. The French and British should find a solution and give these people safe passage, that is the best way to guarantee lives will be saved
And who is going to pick up the tab for that?
The French? They seem to be desperate to get rid of the migrants so why not?
Britain? Even assuming that they are all genuine refugees (which they are not) Then why should Britain pay for them to flee from one democratic safe country to another just because they want to?
Asylum is for safety, it isn't a wish concert.
A joint effort, split the cost , it is their legal right to come here , btw I thought this was all about saving lives? Make your mind up
They do not have a legal right to enter Britain.
Economic migrants have no legal right to enter at all.
Genuine refugees have the legal responsibility to claim asylum in the first safe country.
Many are crossing Poland (EU) Germany (EU) Belgium (EU) France (EU) before attempting to get into Britain.
Are you saying that the EU isn't safe?
They do have a legal right and most do stay in the EU (because, like yourself they prefer living there) the small minority want to come here , perhaps they are anti EU or have heard about the sunlit uplands . Once they arrive then it is up to the authorities to decide wether they are economic migrants or not , until then they are classed as asylum seekers . Btw, I though this was all about saving lives?
It is about saving lives.
The best way to save them is to stop them putting to sea in the first place.
But giving them all a free pass into Britain and then trying to out the genuine from the chancers is not the way to do it.
Once in they slosh around in the legal system for years, as we saw recently with the taxi bomber in Liverpool.
Process them offshore (as Australia does) then by all means allow the genuine ones in. But the chancers with their "lost" papers have to be refused and deported.
BTW. You may have missed it but the French authorities say it will take weeks or months to identify all of the bodies picked up in the channel last week (some may never be identified at all) Reason? Hardly any of them had any papers.
You can’t stop them all , give them safe passage , that will stop anyone from dying and prevent criminals from profiteering.you have to face facts They are legally entitled to come here so are you saying they are all legally entitled to come here or is this just your opinion?"It’s fact | |||
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"Is it their legal right to protest? Protest about what? Whatever it is they don't agree with. Climate protests slow an ambulance down "Lock 'em up" Bunch of alleged fishermen try to stop a life boat getting launched "Don't they have a right to protest?" BOTH are emergency vehicles. It was just a question sweetheart. If you don't know the answer, it's ok to say "I don't know" or just not answer at all.
Handily you provided a great example of the double think the right in this country indulge in, well done you
Or it could easily be a good example of double think by the left.
Eco warriors stop an ambulance "right to protest.
Fishermen/passers by stop a life boat "lock 'em up"
Personally I wouldn't agree with either but here's a thought.
What if the French police actually did the job they have been paid 50 odd million to do. You know, actually stopping unsafe vessels putting to sea in the first place.
I'm pretty sure that would save more lives than any lifeboat.
The French haven’t been paid ‘50 odd million ‘
Physically paid or not. The money is on the table.
Besides, wouldn't you think the French police should be more concerned about saving lives than who is picking up the tab?
Nothing has been paid. The French and British should find a solution and give these people safe passage, that is the best way to guarantee lives will be saved
And who is going to pick up the tab for that?
The French? They seem to be desperate to get rid of the migrants so why not?
Britain? Even assuming that they are all genuine refugees (which they are not) Then why should Britain pay for them to flee from one democratic safe country to another just because they want to?
Asylum is for safety, it isn't a wish concert.
A joint effort, split the cost , it is their legal right to come here , btw I thought this was all about saving lives? Make your mind up
They do not have a legal right to enter Britain.
Economic migrants have no legal right to enter at all.
Genuine refugees have the legal responsibility to claim asylum in the first safe country.
Many are crossing Poland (EU) Germany (EU) Belgium (EU) France (EU) before attempting to get into Britain.
Are you saying that the EU isn't safe?
They do have a legal right and most do stay in the EU (because, like yourself they prefer living there) the small minority want to come here , perhaps they are anti EU or have heard about the sunlit uplands . Once they arrive then it is up to the authorities to decide wether they are economic migrants or not , until then they are classed as asylum seekers . Btw, I though this was all about saving lives?
It is about saving lives.
The best way to save them is to stop them putting to sea in the first place.
But giving them all a free pass into Britain and then trying to out the genuine from the chancers is not the way to do it.
Once in they slosh around in the legal system for years, as we saw recently with the taxi bomber in Liverpool.
Process them offshore (as Australia does) then by all means allow the genuine ones in. But the chancers with their "lost" papers have to be refused and deported.
BTW. You may have missed it but the French authorities say it will take weeks or months to identify all of the bodies picked up in the channel last week (some may never be identified at all) Reason? Hardly any of them had any papers.
You can’t stop them all , give them safe passage , that will stop anyone from dying and prevent criminals from profiteering.you have to face facts They are legally entitled to come here so are you saying they are all legally entitled to come here or is this just your opinion?
It’s fact "What that anyone who wants to come to the uk can,are you sure? | |||
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"Is it their legal right to protest? Protest about what? Whatever it is they don't agree with. Climate protests slow an ambulance down "Lock 'em up" Bunch of alleged fishermen try to stop a life boat getting launched "Don't they have a right to protest?" BOTH are emergency vehicles. It was just a question sweetheart. If you don't know the answer, it's ok to say "I don't know" or just not answer at all.
Handily you provided a great example of the double think the right in this country indulge in, well done you
Or it could easily be a good example of double think by the left.
Eco warriors stop an ambulance "right to protest.
Fishermen/passers by stop a life boat "lock 'em up"
Personally I wouldn't agree with either but here's a thought.
What if the French police actually did the job they have been paid 50 odd million to do. You know, actually stopping unsafe vessels putting to sea in the first place.
I'm pretty sure that would save more lives than any lifeboat.
The French haven’t been paid ‘50 odd million ‘
Physically paid or not. The money is on the table.
Besides, wouldn't you think the French police should be more concerned about saving lives than who is picking up the tab?
Nothing has been paid. The French and British should find a solution and give these people safe passage, that is the best way to guarantee lives will be saved
And who is going to pick up the tab for that?
The French? They seem to be desperate to get rid of the migrants so why not?
Britain? Even assuming that they are all genuine refugees (which they are not) Then why should Britain pay for them to flee from one democratic safe country to another just because they want to?
Asylum is for safety, it isn't a wish concert.
A joint effort, split the cost , it is their legal right to come here , btw I thought this was all about saving lives? Make your mind up
They do not have a legal right to enter Britain.
Economic migrants have no legal right to enter at all.
Genuine refugees have the legal responsibility to claim asylum in the first safe country.
Many are crossing Poland (EU) Germany (EU) Belgium (EU) France (EU) before attempting to get into Britain.
Are you saying that the EU isn't safe?
They do have a legal right and most do stay in the EU (because, like yourself they prefer living there) the small minority want to come here , perhaps they are anti EU or have heard about the sunlit uplands . Once they arrive then it is up to the authorities to decide wether they are economic migrants or not , until then they are classed as asylum seekers . Btw, I though this was all about saving lives?
It is about saving lives.
The best way to save them is to stop them putting to sea in the first place.
But giving them all a free pass into Britain and then trying to out the genuine from the chancers is not the way to do it.
Once in they slosh around in the legal system for years, as we saw recently with the taxi bomber in Liverpool.
Process them offshore (as Australia does) then by all means allow the genuine ones in. But the chancers with their "lost" papers have to be refused and deported.
BTW. You may have missed it but the French authorities say it will take weeks or months to identify all of the bodies picked up in the channel last week (some may never be identified at all) Reason? Hardly any of them had any papers.
You can’t stop them all , give them safe passage , that will stop anyone from dying and prevent criminals from profiteering.you have to face facts They are legally entitled to come here so are you saying they are all legally entitled to come here or is this just your opinion?
It’s fact What that anyone who wants to come to the uk can,are you sure?"If they are asylum seekers, then yes, they can come here to apply for asylum, we have been through all this before | |||
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"Is it their legal right to protest? Protest about what? Whatever it is they don't agree with. Climate protests slow an ambulance down "Lock 'em up" Bunch of alleged fishermen try to stop a life boat getting launched "Don't they have a right to protest?" BOTH are emergency vehicles. It was just a question sweetheart. If you don't know the answer, it's ok to say "I don't know" or just not answer at all.
Handily you provided a great example of the double think the right in this country indulge in, well done you
Or it could easily be a good example of double think by the left.
Eco warriors stop an ambulance "right to protest.
Fishermen/passers by stop a life boat "lock 'em up"
Personally I wouldn't agree with either but here's a thought.
What if the French police actually did the job they have been paid 50 odd million to do. You know, actually stopping unsafe vessels putting to sea in the first place.
I'm pretty sure that would save more lives than any lifeboat.
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"Is it their legal right to protest? Protest about what? Whatever it is they don't agree with. Climate protests slow an ambulance down "Lock 'em up" Bunch of alleged fishermen try to stop a life boat getting launched "Don't they have a right to protest?" BOTH are emergency vehicles. It was just a question sweetheart. If you don't know the answer, it's ok to say "I don't know" or just not answer at all.
Handily you provided a great example of the double think the right in this country indulge in, well done you
Or it could easily be a good example of double think by the left.
Eco warriors stop an ambulance "right to protest.
Fishermen/passers by stop a life boat "lock 'em up"
Personally I wouldn't agree with either but here's a thought.
What if the French police actually did the job they have been paid 50 odd million to do. You know, actually stopping unsafe vessels putting to sea in the first place.
I'm pretty sure that would save more lives than any lifeboat.
The French haven’t been paid ‘50 odd million ‘
Physically paid or not. The money is on the table.
Besides, wouldn't you think the French police should be more concerned about saving lives than who is picking up the tab?
Nothing has been paid. The French and British should find a solution and give these people safe passage, that is the best way to guarantee lives will be saved
And who is going to pick up the tab for that?
The French? They seem to be desperate to get rid of the migrants so why not?
Britain? Even assuming that they are all genuine refugees (which they are not) Then why should Britain pay for them to flee from one democratic safe country to another just because they want to?
Asylum is for safety, it isn't a wish concert.
A joint effort, split the cost , it is their legal right to come here , btw I thought this was all about saving lives? Make your mind up
They do not have a legal right to enter Britain.
Economic migrants have no legal right to enter at all.
Genuine refugees have the legal responsibility to claim asylum in the first safe country.
Many are crossing Poland (EU) Germany (EU) Belgium (EU) France (EU) before attempting to get into Britain.
Are you saying that the EU isn't safe?
They do have a legal right and most do stay in the EU (because, like yourself they prefer living there) the small minority want to come here , perhaps they are anti EU or have heard about the sunlit uplands . Once they arrive then it is up to the authorities to decide wether they are economic migrants or not , until then they are classed as asylum seekers . Btw, I though this was all about saving lives?
It is about saving lives.
The best way to save them is to stop them putting to sea in the first place.
But giving them all a free pass into Britain and then trying to out the genuine from the chancers is not the way to do it.
Once in they slosh around in the legal system for years, as we saw recently with the taxi bomber in Liverpool.
Process them offshore (as Australia does) then by all means allow the genuine ones in. But the chancers with their "lost" papers have to be refused and deported.
BTW. You may have missed it but the French authorities say it will take weeks or months to identify all of the bodies picked up in the channel last week (some may never be identified at all) Reason? Hardly any of them had any papers.
You can’t stop them all , give them safe passage , that will stop anyone from dying and prevent criminals from profiteering.you have to face facts They are legally entitled to come here so are you saying they are all legally entitled to come here or is this just your opinion?
It’s fact What that anyone who wants to come to the uk can,are you sure?
If they are asylum seekers, then yes, they can come here to apply for asylum, we have been through all this before "So you are saying all those people in France are asylum seekers, how do you actually know that and they are not just migrants? | |||
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"Is it their legal right to protest? Protest about what? Whatever it is they don't agree with. Climate protests slow an ambulance down "Lock 'em up" Bunch of alleged fishermen try to stop a life boat getting launched "Don't they have a right to protest?" BOTH are emergency vehicles. It was just a question sweetheart. If you don't know the answer, it's ok to say "I don't know" or just not answer at all.
Handily you provided a great example of the double think the right in this country indulge in, well done you
Or it could easily be a good example of double think by the left.
Eco warriors stop an ambulance "right to protest.
Fishermen/passers by stop a life boat "lock 'em up"
Personally I wouldn't agree with either but here's a thought.
What if the French police actually did the job they have been paid 50 odd million to do. You know, actually stopping unsafe vessels putting to sea in the first place.
I'm pretty sure that would save more lives than any lifeboat.
The French haven’t been paid ‘50 odd million ‘
Physically paid or not. The money is on the table.
Besides, wouldn't you think the French police should be more concerned about saving lives than who is picking up the tab?
Nothing has been paid. The French and British should find a solution and give these people safe passage, that is the best way to guarantee lives will be saved
And who is going to pick up the tab for that?
The French? They seem to be desperate to get rid of the migrants so why not?
Britain? Even assuming that they are all genuine refugees (which they are not) Then why should Britain pay for them to flee from one democratic safe country to another just because they want to?
Asylum is for safety, it isn't a wish concert.
A joint effort, split the cost , it is their legal right to come here , btw I thought this was all about saving lives? Make your mind up
They do not have a legal right to enter Britain.
Economic migrants have no legal right to enter at all.
Genuine refugees have the legal responsibility to claim asylum in the first safe country.
Many are crossing Poland (EU) Germany (EU) Belgium (EU) France (EU) before attempting to get into Britain.
Are you saying that the EU isn't safe?
They do have a legal right and most do stay in the EU (because, like yourself they prefer living there) the small minority want to come here , perhaps they are anti EU or have heard about the sunlit uplands . Once they arrive then it is up to the authorities to decide wether they are economic migrants or not , until then they are classed as asylum seekers . Btw, I though this was all about saving lives?
It is about saving lives.
The best way to save them is to stop them putting to sea in the first place.
But giving them all a free pass into Britain and then trying to out the genuine from the chancers is not the way to do it.
Once in they slosh around in the legal system for years, as we saw recently with the taxi bomber in Liverpool.
Process them offshore (as Australia does) then by all means allow the genuine ones in. But the chancers with their "lost" papers have to be refused and deported.
BTW. You may have missed it but the French authorities say it will take weeks or months to identify all of the bodies picked up in the channel last week (some may never be identified at all) Reason? Hardly any of them had any papers.
You can’t stop them all , give them safe passage , that will stop anyone from dying and prevent criminals from profiteering.you have to face facts They are legally entitled to come here so are you saying they are all legally entitled to come here or is this just your opinion?
It’s fact What that anyone who wants to come to the uk can,are you sure?
If they are asylum seekers, then yes, they can come here to apply for asylum, we have been through all this before So you are saying all those people in France are asylum seekers, how do you actually know that and they are not just migrants?"noone knows for sure. Not until their application is made and reviewed. Are many coming over by boat and then saying they aren't asylum seekers ? | |||
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"Is it their legal right to protest? Protest about what? Whatever it is they don't agree with. Climate protests slow an ambulance down "Lock 'em up" Bunch of alleged fishermen try to stop a life boat getting launched "Don't they have a right to protest?" BOTH are emergency vehicles. It was just a question sweetheart. If you don't know the answer, it's ok to say "I don't know" or just not answer at all.
Handily you provided a great example of the double think the right in this country indulge in, well done you
Or it could easily be a good example of double think by the left.
Eco warriors stop an ambulance "right to protest.
Fishermen/passers by stop a life boat "lock 'em up"
Personally I wouldn't agree with either but here's a thought.
What if the French police actually did the job they have been paid 50 odd million to do. You know, actually stopping unsafe vessels putting to sea in the first place.
I'm pretty sure that would save more lives than any lifeboat.
The French haven’t been paid ‘50 odd million ‘
Physically paid or not. The money is on the table.
Besides, wouldn't you think the French police should be more concerned about saving lives than who is picking up the tab?
Nothing has been paid. The French and British should find a solution and give these people safe passage, that is the best way to guarantee lives will be saved
And who is going to pick up the tab for that?
The French? They seem to be desperate to get rid of the migrants so why not?
Britain? Even assuming that they are all genuine refugees (which they are not) Then why should Britain pay for them to flee from one democratic safe country to another just because they want to?
Asylum is for safety, it isn't a wish concert.
A joint effort, split the cost , it is their legal right to come here , btw I thought this was all about saving lives? Make your mind up
They do not have a legal right to enter Britain.
Economic migrants have no legal right to enter at all.
Genuine refugees have the legal responsibility to claim asylum in the first safe country.
Many are crossing Poland (EU) Germany (EU) Belgium (EU) France (EU) before attempting to get into Britain.
Are you saying that the EU isn't safe?
They do have a legal right and most do stay in the EU (because, like yourself they prefer living there) the small minority want to come here , perhaps they are anti EU or have heard about the sunlit uplands . Once they arrive then it is up to the authorities to decide wether they are economic migrants or not , until then they are classed as asylum seekers . Btw, I though this was all about saving lives?
It is about saving lives.
The best way to save them is to stop them putting to sea in the first place.
But giving them all a free pass into Britain and then trying to out the genuine from the chancers is not the way to do it.
Once in they slosh around in the legal system for years, as we saw recently with the taxi bomber in Liverpool.
Process them offshore (as Australia does) then by all means allow the genuine ones in. But the chancers with their "lost" papers have to be refused and deported.
BTW. You may have missed it but the French authorities say it will take weeks or months to identify all of the bodies picked up in the channel last week (some may never be identified at all) Reason? Hardly any of them had any papers.
You can’t stop them all , give them safe passage , that will stop anyone from dying and prevent criminals from profiteering.you have to face facts They are legally entitled to come here so are you saying they are all legally entitled to come here or is this just your opinion?
It’s fact What that anyone who wants to come to the uk can,are you sure?
If they are asylum seekers, then yes, they can come here to apply for asylum, we have been through all this before So you are saying all those people in France are asylum seekers, how do you actually know that and they are not just migrants?"I don’t, that is for the authorities to assess when they arrive, I don’t make these rules, is there evidence to suggest that the majority are not asylum seekers? | |||
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"Is it their legal right to protest? Protest about what? Whatever it is they don't agree with. Climate protests slow an ambulance down "Lock 'em up" Bunch of alleged fishermen try to stop a life boat getting launched "Don't they have a right to protest?" BOTH are emergency vehicles. It was just a question sweetheart. If you don't know the answer, it's ok to say "I don't know" or just not answer at all.
Handily you provided a great example of the double think the right in this country indulge in, well done you
Or it could easily be a good example of double think by the left.
Eco warriors stop an ambulance "right to protest.
Fishermen/passers by stop a life boat "lock 'em up"
Personally I wouldn't agree with either but here's a thought.
What if the French police actually did the job they have been paid 50 odd million to do. You know, actually stopping unsafe vessels putting to sea in the first place.
I'm pretty sure that would save more lives than any lifeboat.
The French haven’t been paid ‘50 odd million ‘
Physically paid or not. The money is on the table.
Besides, wouldn't you think the French police should be more concerned about saving lives than who is picking up the tab?
Nothing has been paid. The French and British should find a solution and give these people safe passage, that is the best way to guarantee lives will be saved
And who is going to pick up the tab for that?
The French? They seem to be desperate to get rid of the migrants so why not?
Britain? Even assuming that they are all genuine refugees (which they are not) Then why should Britain pay for them to flee from one democratic safe country to another just because they want to?
Asylum is for safety, it isn't a wish concert.
A joint effort, split the cost , it is their legal right to come here , btw I thought this was all about saving lives? Make your mind up
They do not have a legal right to enter Britain.
Economic migrants have no legal right to enter at all.
Genuine refugees have the legal responsibility to claim asylum in the first safe country.
Many are crossing Poland (EU) Germany (EU) Belgium (EU) France (EU) before attempting to get into Britain.
Are you saying that the EU isn't safe?
They do have a legal right and most do stay in the EU (because, like yourself they prefer living there) the small minority want to come here , perhaps they are anti EU or have heard about the sunlit uplands . Once they arrive then it is up to the authorities to decide wether they are economic migrants or not , until then they are classed as asylum seekers . Btw, I though this was all about saving lives?
It is about saving lives.
The best way to save them is to stop them putting to sea in the first place.
But giving them all a free pass into Britain and then trying to out the genuine from the chancers is not the way to do it.
Once in they slosh around in the legal system for years, as we saw recently with the taxi bomber in Liverpool.
Process them offshore (as Australia does) then by all means allow the genuine ones in. But the chancers with their "lost" papers have to be refused and deported.
BTW. You may have missed it but the French authorities say it will take weeks or months to identify all of the bodies picked up in the channel last week (some may never be identified at all) Reason? Hardly any of them had any papers.
You can’t stop them all , give them safe passage , that will stop anyone from dying and prevent criminals from profiteering.you have to face facts They are legally entitled to come here so are you saying they are all legally entitled to come here or is this just your opinion?
It’s fact What that anyone who wants to come to the uk can,are you sure?
If they are asylum seekers, then yes, they can come here to apply for asylum, we have been through all this before So you are saying all those people in France are asylum seekers, how do you actually know that and they are not just migrants?"There was an interesting segment on France24 the other day where one of the migrants stated they had all tried to gain entry to Italy, Germany and France and had been refused. Presumably because they weren't deemed to be asylum seekers but economic migrants | |||
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"Is it their legal right to protest? Protest about what? Whatever it is they don't agree with. Climate protests slow an ambulance down "Lock 'em up" Bunch of alleged fishermen try to stop a life boat getting launched "Don't they have a right to protest?" BOTH are emergency vehicles. It was just a question sweetheart. If you don't know the answer, it's ok to say "I don't know" or just not answer at all.
Handily you provided a great example of the double think the right in this country indulge in, well done you
Or it could easily be a good example of double think by the left.
Eco warriors stop an ambulance "right to protest.
Fishermen/passers by stop a life boat "lock 'em up"
Personally I wouldn't agree with either but here's a thought.
What if the French police actually did the job they have been paid 50 odd million to do. You know, actually stopping unsafe vessels putting to sea in the first place.
I'm pretty sure that would save more lives than any lifeboat.
The French haven’t been paid ‘50 odd million ‘
Physically paid or not. The money is on the table.
Besides, wouldn't you think the French police should be more concerned about saving lives than who is picking up the tab?
Nothing has been paid. The French and British should find a solution and give these people safe passage, that is the best way to guarantee lives will be saved
And who is going to pick up the tab for that?
The French? They seem to be desperate to get rid of the migrants so why not?
Britain? Even assuming that they are all genuine refugees (which they are not) Then why should Britain pay for them to flee from one democratic safe country to another just because they want to?
Asylum is for safety, it isn't a wish concert.
A joint effort, split the cost , it is their legal right to come here , btw I thought this was all about saving lives? Make your mind up
They do not have a legal right to enter Britain.
Economic migrants have no legal right to enter at all.
Genuine refugees have the legal responsibility to claim asylum in the first safe country.
Many are crossing Poland (EU) Germany (EU) Belgium (EU) France (EU) before attempting to get into Britain.
Are you saying that the EU isn't safe?
They do have a legal right and most do stay in the EU (because, like yourself they prefer living there) the small minority want to come here , perhaps they are anti EU or have heard about the sunlit uplands . Once they arrive then it is up to the authorities to decide wether they are economic migrants or not , until then they are classed as asylum seekers . Btw, I though this was all about saving lives?
It is about saving lives.
The best way to save them is to stop them putting to sea in the first place.
But giving them all a free pass into Britain and then trying to out the genuine from the chancers is not the way to do it.
Once in they slosh around in the legal system for years, as we saw recently with the taxi bomber in Liverpool.
Process them offshore (as Australia does) then by all means allow the genuine ones in. But the chancers with their "lost" papers have to be refused and deported.
BTW. You may have missed it but the French authorities say it will take weeks or months to identify all of the bodies picked up in the channel last week (some may never be identified at all) Reason? Hardly any of them had any papers.
You can’t stop them all , give them safe passage , that will stop anyone from dying and prevent criminals from profiteering.you have to face facts They are legally entitled to come here so are you saying they are all legally entitled to come here or is this just your opinion?
It’s fact What that anyone who wants to come to the uk can,are you sure?
If they are asylum seekers, then yes, they can come here to apply for asylum, we have been through all this before So you are saying all those people in France are asylum seekers, how do you actually know that and they are not just migrants?
I don’t, that is for the authorities to assess when they arrive, I don’t make these rules, is there evidence to suggest that the majority are not asylum seekers? "So the ones that are rejected are not legally entitled to come here then?,im glad you can now see how wrong your original statement was. | |||
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