FabSwingers.com forum: Car chargers

By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

Installing car chargers on new builds is great, but:

Why is there no legal requirement for any new build to have at least 3kwh of Solar Panels and a Ground Source heat pump loop under the foundations.

Think someone missed the point,, again!!

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

Plus - Solar heated hot water.

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol

if every house in a street had a ground souced heatpump the ground would be frozen

It's just physics not me

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"if every house in a street had a ground souced heatpump the ground would be frozen

It's just physics not me

not too sure about that

for the ground to freeze there would have to be a loss of the primary heat source, the sun?

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

Primary heat supply for GSH us the Earth's crust. Dig down only a few feet and there is endless untapped, energy.

Pipes are buried 36 inches underground as there is very little chance of them freezing due to Earth heat.

Watch videos of Miners sweating their faces off. The deeper you go, the hotter it gets and GS heating pipes do not need to be very deep.

The heat comes from the heat of the molten core, friction, radioactive decay of rock. Impossible to freeze and not relying on the sun.

Not drilling into the ground at time of build means Air Source Heat Pumps will be eventually fitted which don't work well below 6 degrees C.

GSH works all year round at high rates of efficiency.

"Earth's internal heat comes from a Earth's internal heat comes from a combination of residual heat from planetary accretion, heat produced through radioactive decay, latent heat from core crystallization, and possibly heat from other sources. The major heat-producing nuclides in Earth are potassium-40, uranium-238, uranium-235, and thorium-232.[4] The inner core is thought to have temperatures in the range of 4000 to 7000 Kcombination of residual heat from planetary accretion, heat produced through radioactive decay, latent heat from core crystallization, and possibly heat from other sources. The major heat-producing nuclides in Earth are potassium-40, uranium-238, uranium-235, and thorium-232.[4] The inner core is thought to have temperatures in the range of 4000 to 7000K".

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

If you've got 15 mins spare, watch this video on YouTube. It is the future and the future is NOW.

https://youtu.be/jVVaUhFZb_o

They've been building houses with 2x Solar panels inset in to roofs around here to comply to get planning permission. This means upgrading to a bigger more viable system that the WHOLE ROOF needs taking off.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Installing car chargers on new builds is great, but:

Why is there no legal requirement for any new build to have at least 3kwh of Solar Panels and a Ground Source heat pump loop under the foundations.

Think someone missed the point,, again!!"

Yeah another half baked solution for a government who have run out of ideas. Some might say they are being radically inept.

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

Absolutely..

What breaks my heart in all of this, as you so rightly put it, half baked stupidity is that our children will be left to pick up the pieces..

Adding Solar panels and Ground source heating to a new build is simple and not expensive and regardless of cost, should be compulsory.

Planning laws and building regulations need changes urgently.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A car charger is just an external power cable plug and not too expensive to implement and maintain compared to the other things you listed. New builds are expensive enough for what they are as it is otherwise.

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By *amish SMan
over a year ago

Eastleigh

Once they figure out how to tax hydrogen, electric cars will be thrown aside. From what I can gather the Government is already well into the post electric car scenario.

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

"A car charger is just an external power cable plug and not too expensive to implement and maintain compared to the other things you listed. New builds are expensive enough for what they are as it is otherwise. "

Fitting brackets and railing and Solar Panels and Inverter which a 4kw system you're only looking at £3k cost price if fitted while roofing installed.

Drilling a bore hole under the foundations for very efficient Ground Source heating, again is peanuts compared to the £250k+ price tag they are demanding for houses around here.

Adding probably £12k to the build cost for many £1000's long term savings and greatly reduced climate impact. Its time houses are only built where emissions are massively reduced otherwise, planning gets refused.

There is little maintenance on Solar and GSH. My main point is that for the sake of putting in the GSH pipes prior to pouring the foundations, a much more efficient heating system than Air Source can be installed at build or by its new owners.

Just a missed opportunity by not doing it at the build stage.

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By *ugehandsMan
over a year ago

Fife/ Newcastle

I don't think the builder are missing any trick. If they were to add all available green sources solar panels, GSH, 3 phase power supply car chargers etc there would be very few people able to afford the new houses. Then add the procurement issues created by the Covid pandemic there wouldn't be enough components to complete new properties.

I'm all for green energy sources but they've got to be affordable to the average working people.

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

Nope.. a £300k house does not cost £300k to build. It's easy to estimate the cost of house, materials, labour, legal and there is a hell of profit involved.

If developers stopped lining their greedy greasy pockets and gave some value for money, then you have affordable, environmentally less damaging new housing stock.

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

1500 houses built near where I am over last 5 years. Schools are chocker and massively shrunken catchments, no local facilities such as community centres, libraries, schools and the reason:

If a developer builds up to 99 houses, there is no obligation to pay towards or provide any local facilities.

Hence, numerous blocks of houses of less than 99 in number per block with ZERO contribution to local facilities. They can afford to do the right thing at the cost of a little profit.

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By *ugehandsMan
over a year ago

Fife/ Newcastle

"Nope.. a £300k house does not cost £300k to build. It's easy to estimate the cost of house, materials, labour, legal and there is a hell of profit involved.

If developers stopped lining their greedy greasy pockets and gave some value for money, then you have affordable, environmentally less damaging new housing stock.

If those developers didn't repay the investors dividends and pay the huge overhead costs there would be very few houses built. It's like saying the companies selling less environmentally damaging equipment are too expensive and should sell them cheaper but the have research and development costs to cover.

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

So, we just carry on building and selling houses that fucks up our planet..

what a wonderful world it is..

Maybe investers should stop being greedy and uncaring and take less of a cut or insist it is added to the price..

Can't do, won't do attitude is what got us here in the first place..

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

I'm not sure that some people in Co Durham, Cumbria and Anerdeenshire, are thinking that electric cars are a good idea right now!

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"I'm not sure that some people in Co Durham, Cumbria and Anerdeenshire, are thinking that electric cars are a good idea right now!

A significant issue about electric cars is that when they break down, they can't be easily moved off the motorway.

There's not enough specialist recovery vehicles yet

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"I'm not sure that some people in Co Durham, Cumbria and Anerdeenshire, are thinking that electric cars are a good idea right now!

A significant issue about electric cars is that when they break down, they can't be easily moved off the motorway.

There's not enough specialist recovery vehicles yet "

Indeed. And many of the automotive people that I speak to, are more than sceptical about this rushed expansion into total electric.

Many believe that hydrogen is the way forward.

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