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"Plenty to say on this one! The dynamics of commuting were changed due to covid. Not so demand to get upto London these days, which was the primary function of HS2. Many didn't want it anyway. It only benefited a few and those that the building impacted, gained the least. I forecast in the budget thread a few weeks ago, that the Eastern leg was gone. I debated many years ago, that spiralling costs would kill it off. And so its proved to be. Yes, it goes to East Midlands Parkway. A station in the middle of nowhere. Its not Nottingham, not Derby, certainly not Leicester and not East Midlands airport. It will sit on part of the proposed East Midlands freeport but to go anywhere else, will require a seperate onward journey. Our propsed Toton hub is now in the balance. The new HS2 station there, was going to be the centrepiece of a new science based enterprise park, with the potential of 70000 plus new jobs. It may still go ahead but now needs vast private capital input. The huge problem with Manchester to Leeds is construction. There is a mountain range in the way, and its hard rock and very wet. It would be a nightmare to build. Not impossible but upgrading the existing victorian infrastructure may well be the cheaper option. I think that rail users are demanding better cost to benefits now, as is the taxpayer. It remains to be seen if this plan realises this goal. " the pennine mountain range has several unused tunnels through them 2 at standage problem is capacity from stalybridge to Marsden the line is limited to two track which is also severly speed resticted due to some preety sharp curvature following the valley floor .either side of this there is great potential for capacity increases .the bigest shame was the closire of the whole of the fully electrified woodhead route to sheffield by the Thatcher govt in the 1980s typical short sighted Tory dogma driven closure | |||
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"Plenty to say on this one! The dynamics of commuting were changed due to covid. Not so demand to get upto London these days, which was the primary function of HS2. Many didn't want it anyway. It only benefited a few and those that the building impacted, gained the least. I forecast in the budget thread a few weeks ago, that the Eastern leg was gone. I debated many years ago, that spiralling costs would kill it off. And so its proved to be. Yes, it goes to East Midlands Parkway. A station in the middle of nowhere. Its not Nottingham, not Derby, certainly not Leicester and not East Midlands airport. It will sit on part of the proposed East Midlands freeport but to go anywhere else, will require a seperate onward journey. Our propsed Toton hub is now in the balance. The new HS2 station there, was going to be the centrepiece of a new science based enterprise park, with the potential of 70000 plus new jobs. It may still go ahead but now needs vast private capital input. The huge problem with Manchester to Leeds is construction. There is a mountain range in the way, and its hard rock and very wet. It would be a nightmare to build. Not impossible but upgrading the existing victorian infrastructure may well be the cheaper option. I think that rail users are demanding better cost to benefits now, as is the taxpayer. It remains to be seen if this plan realises this goal. the pennine mountain range has several unused tunnels through them 2 at standage problem is capacity from stalybridge to Marsden the line is limited to two track which is also severly speed resticted due to some preety sharp curvature following the valley floor .either side of this there is great potential for capacity increases .the bigest shame was the closire of the whole of the fully electrified woodhead route to sheffield by the Thatcher govt in the 1980s typical short sighted Tory dogma driven closure " Woodhead shut in 1981 as a rail route, although passenger services finished in 1970. The problem it had, was it was a totally different electric system to the rest of the electrified network. The infrastructure was from the 1950s, and was in need of expensive replacement. Its main purpose in the last few years of service, was moving coal from Yorkshire to Merseyside, a declining and expensive market. These factors sealed its fate, although there are plans to try and bring passenger services back from Stocksbridge to Sheffield. | |||
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"Northern powerhouse is just another slogan from BoZo Johnson. It appears to mean very little." I believe that George Osborne first coined the phrase. | |||
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"Northern powerhouse is just another slogan from BoZo Johnson. It appears to mean very little. I believe that George Osborne first coined the phrase. " And I believe BoZo Johnson is still paying lip service to it. It's just another thing he can break promises about | |||
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"Northern powerhouse is just another slogan from BoZo Johnson. It appears to mean very little. I believe that George Osborne first coined the phrase. And I believe BoZo Johnson is still paying lip service to it. It's just another thing he can break promises about" True but I can remember back to the 1990s, and John Prescott in 1993, Frank Dobson and Tony Blair in 1995, all promising to renationalise the railways. They had over 13 years in Goverment and never even got started on it. | |||
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"Northern powerhouse is just another slogan from BoZo Johnson. It appears to mean very little. I believe that George Osborne first coined the phrase. And I believe BoZo Johnson is still paying lip service to it. It's just another thing he can break promises about True but I can remember back to the 1990s, and John Prescott in 1993, Frank Dobson and Tony Blair in 1995, all promising to renationalise the railways. They had over 13 years in Goverment and never even got started on it. " so if BoZo trots that out as an exscuse, does that make breaking (yet another)promise acceptable? | |||
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"Northern powerhouse is just another slogan from BoZo Johnson. It appears to mean very little. I believe that George Osborne first coined the phrase. And I believe BoZo Johnson is still paying lip service to it. It's just another thing he can break promises about True but I can remember back to the 1990s, and John Prescott in 1993, Frank Dobson and Tony Blair in 1995, all promising to renationalise the railways. They had over 13 years in Goverment and never even got started on it. so if BoZo trots that out as an exscuse, does that make breaking (yet another)promise acceptable?" Thats up for the electorate to decide. Does Boris Johnson lie? Yes he does. Is he alone in this? No he isn't. | |||
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"Well…… the transport side of this has been shafted hs2 eastern side scrapped and Manchester to Leeds gone!!! Notice that hs2 was scrapped from the East Midlands up… all those Tory blue seats being connected with London Yorkshire and the north east got jobbed big time…. All that transport spending in London and the south east " always thought it was a waste of money and all to benefit London more important for the north is to link the northern city’s | |||
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"Northern powerhouse is just another slogan from BoZo Johnson. It appears to mean very little. I believe that George Osborne first coined the phrase. And I believe BoZo Johnson is still paying lip service to it. It's just another thing he can break promises about True but I can remember back to the 1990s, and John Prescott in 1993, Frank Dobson and Tony Blair in 1995, all promising to renationalise the railways. They had over 13 years in Goverment and never even got started on it. so if BoZo trots that out as an exscuse, does that make breaking (yet another)promise acceptable? Thats up for the electorate to decide. Does Boris Johnson lie? Yes he does. Is he alone in this? No he isn't. " But he has taken it to another level. Has he ever delivered on any promise or pledge? Other than ‘get Brexit done’ and that was all based on lies. Oven ready deal anyone? | |||
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"Whats not been mentioned, is money has now been made available to get the Leeds tramway system started. Leeds is the largest city in Western Europe without a proper metro system. " He's broken,yet another, promise. | |||
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"Whats not been mentioned, is money has now been made available to get the Leeds tramway system started. Leeds is the largest city in Western Europe without a proper metro system. " another white elephant Sheffield has one 25 yrs of shit building it Rd works and still hardly anyone uses it | |||
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"Northern powerhouse is just another slogan from BoZo Johnson. It appears to mean very little. I believe that George Osborne first coined the phrase. And I believe BoZo Johnson is still paying lip service to it. It's just another thing he can break promises about True but I can remember back to the 1990s, and John Prescott in 1993, Frank Dobson and Tony Blair in 1995, all promising to renationalise the railways. They had over 13 years in Goverment and never even got started on it. " that was largley down to the ways the railway had been privatised by the previous Tory government locked into long term leasing and operating contracts that would of far out weighed the cost of hs2 to break and re nationalise .coming on top of the railtrack debacle it was considered to expensive and risky . | |||
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"I've not looked at the numbers but feels like he's pulled the HS2 money and given local areas new budget, to avoid being accountable. A cynic may say he's given the north their inheritance early and kicked them out of the house. Go become a powerhouse. But don't rely on London for any income ... " You say the North, but it would appear only those constituencies that vote Tory are rewarded with this levelling up (another nice phrase that means very little) cash. | |||
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"Whats not been mentioned, is money has now been made available to get the Leeds tramway system started. Leeds is the largest city in Western Europe without a proper metro system. another white elephant Sheffield has one 25 yrs of shit building it Rd works and still hardly anyone uses it " Tbf, the Manchester metro is very good | |||
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"Whats not been mentioned, is money has now been made available to get the Leeds tramway system started. Leeds is the largest city in Western Europe without a proper metro system. He's broken,yet another, promise." So you are saying the PM promised not to build the Leeds metro but has now broken that promise by saying it is to be built? I would have thought the people of Leeds were happy he has changed his mind. I guess you don't live in Leeds yourself.! | |||
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"Whats not been mentioned, is money has now been made available to get the Leeds tramway system started. Leeds is the largest city in Western Europe without a proper metro system. He's broken,yet another, promise. So you are saying the PM promised not to build the Leeds metro but has now broken that promise by saying it is to be built? I would have thought the people of Leeds were happy he has changed his mind. I guess you don't live in Leeds yourself.!" For the avoidance of doubt; BoZo Johnson categorically promised to build HS2 in full Repeatedly. He has broken that promise. | |||
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"Whats not been mentioned, is money has now been made available to get the Leeds tramway system started. Leeds is the largest city in Western Europe without a proper metro system. He's broken,yet another, promise. So you are saying the PM promised not to build the Leeds metro but has now broken that promise by saying it is to be built? I would have thought the people of Leeds were happy he has changed his mind. I guess you don't live in Leeds yourself.! For the avoidance of doubt; BoZo Johnson categorically promised to build HS2 in full Repeatedly. He has broken that promise." I think that’s been made very clear on here | |||
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"Whats not been mentioned, is money has now been made available to get the Leeds tramway system started. Leeds is the largest city in Western Europe without a proper metro system. He's broken,yet another, promise. So you are saying the PM promised not to build the Leeds metro but has now broken that promise by saying it is to be built? I would have thought the people of Leeds were happy he has changed his mind. I guess you don't live in Leeds yourself.! For the avoidance of doubt; BoZo Johnson categorically promised to build HS2 in full Repeatedly. He has broken that promise.I think that’s been made very clear on here " Agreed | |||
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"Whats not been mentioned, is money has now been made available to get the Leeds tramway system started. Leeds is the largest city in Western Europe without a proper metro system. He's broken,yet another, promise. So you are saying the PM promised not to build the Leeds metro but has now broken that promise by saying it is to be built? I would have thought the people of Leeds were happy he has changed his mind. I guess you don't live in Leeds yourself.! For the avoidance of doubt; BoZo Johnson categorically promised to build HS2 in full Repeatedly. He has broken that promise.I think that’s been made very clear on here Agreed" so are you happy about hs2now then ? | |||
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"Whats not been mentioned, is money has now been made available to get the Leeds tramway system started. Leeds is the largest city in Western Europe without a proper metro system. He's broken,yet another, promise. So you are saying the PM promised not to build the Leeds metro but has now broken that promise by saying it is to be built? I would have thought the people of Leeds were happy he has changed his mind. I guess you don't live in Leeds yourself.! For the avoidance of doubt; BoZo Johnson categorically promised to build HS2 in full Repeatedly. He has broken that promise." So you would rather rail passengers wait until the 2040's to have improved rail services. Personally I think the rail paengers will be happier that they will have rail improvements 10 to 15 years earlier than HS2. | |||
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"Whats not been mentioned, is money has now been made available to get the Leeds tramway system started. Leeds is the largest city in Western Europe without a proper metro system. He's broken,yet another, promise. So you are saying the PM promised not to build the Leeds metro but has now broken that promise by saying it is to be built? I would have thought the people of Leeds were happy he has changed his mind. I guess you don't live in Leeds yourself.! For the avoidance of doubt; BoZo Johnson categorically promised to build HS2 in full Repeatedly. He has broken that promise. So you would rather rail passengers wait until the 2040's to have improved rail services. Personally I think the rail paengers will be happier that they will have rail improvements 10 to 15 years earlier than HS2." He lied about HS2, so what makes you think he is telling the truth about the revised plan? | |||
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"Whats not been mentioned, is money has now been made available to get the Leeds tramway system started. Leeds is the largest city in Western Europe without a proper metro system. He's broken,yet another, promise. So you are saying the PM promised not to build the Leeds metro but has now broken that promise by saying it is to be built? I would have thought the people of Leeds were happy he has changed his mind. I guess you don't live in Leeds yourself.! For the avoidance of doubt; BoZo Johnson categorically promised to build HS2 in full Repeatedly. He has broken that promise. So you would rather rail passengers wait until the 2040's to have improved rail services. Personally I think the rail paengers will be happier that they will have rail improvements 10 to 15 years earlier than HS2. He lied about HS2, so what makes you think he is telling the truth about the revised plan? " whete you all for hs2 then ? | |||
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"Whats not been mentioned, is money has now been made available to get the Leeds tramway system started. Leeds is the largest city in Western Europe without a proper metro system. He's broken,yet another, promise. So you are saying the PM promised not to build the Leeds metro but has now broken that promise by saying it is to be built? I would have thought the people of Leeds were happy he has changed his mind. I guess you don't live in Leeds yourself.! For the avoidance of doubt; BoZo Johnson categorically promised to build HS2 in full Repeatedly. He has broken that promise. So you would rather rail passengers wait until the 2040's to have improved rail services. Personally I think the rail paengers will be happier that they will have rail improvements 10 to 15 years earlier than HS2. He lied about HS2, so what makes you think he is telling the truth about the revised plan? " Actually a lie is saying something you know is untrue when you say it. I don't think he did lie. | |||
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"Whats not been mentioned, is money has now been made available to get the Leeds tramway system started. Leeds is the largest city in Western Europe without a proper metro system. He's broken,yet another, promise. So you are saying the PM promised not to build the Leeds metro but has now broken that promise by saying it is to be built? I would have thought the people of Leeds were happy he has changed his mind. I guess you don't live in Leeds yourself.! For the avoidance of doubt; BoZo Johnson categorically promised to build HS2 in full Repeatedly. He has broken that promise. So you would rather rail passengers wait until the 2040's to have improved rail services. Personally I think the rail paengers will be happier that they will have rail improvements 10 to 15 years earlier than HS2. He lied about HS2, so what makes you think he is telling the truth about the revised plan? whete you all for hs2 then ?" I wasn’t that bothered either way, but my opinion is irrelevant, he made promises , he didn’t keep them, so why do you believe he is now telling the truth ? | |||
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"Whats not been mentioned, is money has now been made available to get the Leeds tramway system started. Leeds is the largest city in Western Europe without a proper metro system. He's broken,yet another, promise. So you are saying the PM promised not to build the Leeds metro but has now broken that promise by saying it is to be built? I would have thought the people of Leeds were happy he has changed his mind. I guess you don't live in Leeds yourself.! For the avoidance of doubt; BoZo Johnson categorically promised to build HS2 in full Repeatedly. He has broken that promise. So you would rather rail passengers wait until the 2040's to have improved rail services. Personally I think the rail paengers will be happier that they will have rail improvements 10 to 15 years earlier than HS2. He lied about HS2, so what makes you think he is telling the truth about the revised plan? Actually a lie is saying something you know is untrue when you say it. I don't think he did lie." Technically you are correct , he broke a promise though, he can easily do that again and again and again | |||
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"Whats not been mentioned, is money has now been made available to get the Leeds tramway system started. Leeds is the largest city in Western Europe without a proper metro system. He's broken,yet another, promise. So you are saying the PM promised not to build the Leeds metro but has now broken that promise by saying it is to be built? I would have thought the people of Leeds were happy he has changed his mind. I guess you don't live in Leeds yourself.! For the avoidance of doubt; BoZo Johnson categorically promised to build HS2 in full Repeatedly. He has broken that promise. So you would rather rail passengers wait until the 2040's to have improved rail services. Personally I think the rail paengers will be happier that they will have rail improvements 10 to 15 years earlier than HS2. He lied about HS2, so what makes you think he is telling the truth about the revised plan? Actually a lie is saying something you know is untrue when you say it. I don't think he did lie. Technically you are correct , he broke a promise though, he can easily do that again and again and again " Tbh, to be more accurate, he went back on his word  | |||
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"Whats not been mentioned, is money has now been made available to get the Leeds tramway system started. Leeds is the largest city in Western Europe without a proper metro system. He's broken,yet another, promise. So you are saying the PM promised not to build the Leeds metro but has now broken that promise by saying it is to be built? I would have thought the people of Leeds were happy he has changed his mind. I guess you don't live in Leeds yourself.! For the avoidance of doubt; BoZo Johnson categorically promised to build HS2 in full Repeatedly. He has broken that promise. So you would rather rail passengers wait until the 2040's to have improved rail services. Personally I think the rail paengers will be happier that they will have rail improvements 10 to 15 years earlier than HS2. He lied about HS2, so what makes you think he is telling the truth about the revised plan? whete you all for hs2 then ? I wasn’t that bothered either way, but my opinion is irrelevant, he made promises , he didn’t keep them, so why do you believe he is now telling the truth ?" so your not really upset about it then ? Atleast he’s gave you something else to moan about then personally I’m glad I always thought was a huge waste of money and could be spent better elsewhere | |||
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"Whats not been mentioned, is money has now been made available to get the Leeds tramway system started. Leeds is the largest city in Western Europe without a proper metro system. He's broken,yet another, promise. So you are saying the PM promised not to build the Leeds metro but has now broken that promise by saying it is to be built? I would have thought the people of Leeds were happy he has changed his mind. I guess you don't live in Leeds yourself.! For the avoidance of doubt; BoZo Johnson categorically promised to build HS2 in full Repeatedly. He has broken that promise. So you would rather rail passengers wait until the 2040's to have improved rail services. Personally I think the rail paengers will be happier that they will have rail improvements 10 to 15 years earlier than HS2. He lied about HS2, so what makes you think he is telling the truth about the revised plan? whete you all for hs2 then ?" With the new proposal of improved journey times, increased capacity and delivery 10 to 15 years quicker than HS2 I think its a good result for the areas concerned. Funny how none of these complainers are shouting about the transport services being cut by the Labour Mayor of London because of mismanagement. 100 bus routes axed. 200 bus routes reduced Closure of Royhhithe tunnel. Closure of Gallows corner flyover. Delaying of underground fleet replacement to 2040. Plus many more. | |||
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"Whats not been mentioned, is money has now been made available to get the Leeds tramway system started. Leeds is the largest city in Western Europe without a proper metro system. He's broken,yet another, promise. So you are saying the PM promised not to build the Leeds metro but has now broken that promise by saying it is to be built? I would have thought the people of Leeds were happy he has changed his mind. I guess you don't live in Leeds yourself.! For the avoidance of doubt; BoZo Johnson categorically promised to build HS2 in full Repeatedly. He has broken that promise. So you would rather rail passengers wait until the 2040's to have improved rail services. Personally I think the rail paengers will be happier that they will have rail improvements 10 to 15 years earlier than HS2. He lied about HS2, so what makes you think he is telling the truth about the revised plan? whete you all for hs2 then ? With the new proposal of improved journey times, increased capacity and delivery 10 to 15 years quicker than HS2 I think its a good result for the areas concerned. Funny how none of these complainers are shouting about the transport services being cut by the Labour Mayor of London because of mismanagement. 100 bus routes axed. 200 bus routes reduced Closure of Royhhithe tunnel. Closure of Gallows corner flyover. Delaying of underground fleet replacement to 2040. Plus many more." did he promise anything about them? As BoZo did re HS2 | |||
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"Whats not been mentioned, is money has now been made available to get the Leeds tramway system started. Leeds is the largest city in Western Europe without a proper metro system. He's broken,yet another, promise. So you are saying the PM promised not to build the Leeds metro but has now broken that promise by saying it is to be built? I would have thought the people of Leeds were happy he has changed his mind. I guess you don't live in Leeds yourself.! For the avoidance of doubt; BoZo Johnson categorically promised to build HS2 in full Repeatedly. He has broken that promise. So you would rather rail passengers wait until the 2040's to have improved rail services. Personally I think the rail paengers will be happier that they will have rail improvements 10 to 15 years earlier than HS2. He lied about HS2, so what makes you think he is telling the truth about the revised plan? whete you all for hs2 then ? I wasn’t that bothered either way, but my opinion is irrelevant, he made promises , he didn’t keep them, so why do you believe he is now telling the truth ?so your not really upset about it then ? Atleast he’s gave you something else to moan about then personally I’m glad I always thought was a huge waste of money and could be spent better elsewhere " Why did he keep promising it would happen then? And I will ask again, what makes you think he will keep to his word this time? | |||
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"Well…… the transport side of this has been shafted hs2 eastern side scrapped and Manchester to Leeds gone!!! Notice that hs2 was scrapped from the East Midlands up… all those Tory blue seats being connected with London Yorkshire and the north east got jobbed big time…. All that transport spending in London and the south east always thought it was a waste of money and all to benefit London more important for the north is to link the northern city’s " In effect the high speed lines would have eventually connected Newcastle,Leeds, Manchester and Liverpool with the connections to Sheffield and Hull ect… Also East midland parkway is basically close enough to Loughborough where it would slash times to places like Derby and Nottingham Still though… there is no dispute that Yorkshire and north east England got jobbed by this | |||
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"Whats not been mentioned, is money has now been made available to get the Leeds tramway system started. Leeds is the largest city in Western Europe without a proper metro system. He's broken,yet another, promise. So you are saying the PM promised not to build the Leeds metro but has now broken that promise by saying it is to be built? I would have thought the people of Leeds were happy he has changed his mind. I guess you don't live in Leeds yourself.! For the avoidance of doubt; BoZo Johnson categorically promised to build HS2 in full Repeatedly. He has broken that promise. So you would rather rail passengers wait until the 2040's to have improved rail services. Personally I think the rail paengers will be happier that they will have rail improvements 10 to 15 years earlier than HS2. He lied about HS2, so what makes you think he is telling the truth about the revised plan? Actually a lie is saying something you know is untrue when you say it. I don't think he did lie. Technically you are correct , he broke a promise though, he can easily do that again and again and again " Good you agree it wasn't a lie. Maybe others on here will take note.! | |||
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"I think voters in the north want less wokery. I'd like to also see Whitehall departments moved...the internet means that such departments no longer have to be in central London. Lower taxes would help" Evidence that the ‘voters in the north west want less wokery’ | |||
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"I think voters in the north want less wokery. I'd like to also see Whitehall departments moved...the internet means that such departments no longer have to be in central London. Lower taxes would help Evidence that the ‘voters in the north west want less wokery’" You think they want more? No doubt some do, but not many. Recent election results and the Brexit referendum shows they don't like being told how to speak and think. By all means Labour can offer more wokery. Let the people decide! | |||
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"I think voters in the north want less wokery. I'd like to also see Whitehall departments moved...the internet means that such departments no longer have to be in central London. Lower taxes would help Evidence that the ‘voters in the north west want less wokery’ You think they want more? No doubt some do, but not many. Recent election results and the Brexit referendum shows they don't like being told how to speak and think. By all means Labour can offer more wokery. Let the people decide!" Evidence ? | |||
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"I think voters in the north want less wokery. I'd like to also see Whitehall departments moved...the internet means that such departments no longer have to be in central London. Lower taxes would help Evidence that the ‘voters in the north west want less wokery’ You think they want more? No doubt some do, but not many. Recent election results and the Brexit referendum shows they don't like being told how to speak and think. By all means Labour can offer more wokery. Let the people decide! Evidence ?" We'll have to see future election results, won't we? But the Labour vote is at historic low levels and more working-class people voted Tory than Labour at the last election. Not looking good. Labour s decline seems to be accelerating as the middle-class wokies advance within it | |||
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"I think voters in the north want less wokery. I'd like to also see Whitehall departments moved...the internet means that such departments no longer have to be in central London. Lower taxes would help Evidence that the ‘voters in the north west want less wokery’ You think they want more? No doubt some do, but not many. Recent election results and the Brexit referendum shows they don't like being told how to speak and think. By all means Labour can offer more wokery. Let the people decide! Evidence ? We'll have to see future election results, won't we? But the Labour vote is at historic low levels and more working-class people voted Tory than Labour at the last election. Not looking good. Labour s decline seems to be accelerating as the middle-class wokies advance within it" No evidence then? | |||
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"I think voters in the north want less wokery. I'd like to also see Whitehall departments moved...the internet means that such departments no longer have to be in central London. Lower taxes would help Evidence that the ‘voters in the north west want less wokery’ You think they want more? No doubt some do, but not many. Recent election results and the Brexit referendum shows they don't like being told how to speak and think. By all means Labour can offer more wokery. Let the people decide! Evidence ? We'll have to see future election results, won't we? But the Labour vote is at historic low levels and more working-class people voted Tory than Labour at the last election. Not looking good. Labour s decline seems to be accelerating as the middle-class wokies advance within it No evidence then? " Yes, plenty. Look at recent votes. | |||
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"I think voters in the north want less wokery. I'd like to also see Whitehall departments moved...the internet means that such departments no longer have to be in central London. Lower taxes would help Evidence that the ‘voters in the north west want less wokery’ You think they want more? No doubt some do, but not many. Recent election results and the Brexit referendum shows they don't like being told how to speak and think. By all means Labour can offer more wokery. Let the people decide! Evidence ? We'll have to see future election results, won't we? But the Labour vote is at historic low levels and more working-class people voted Tory than Labour at the last election. Not looking good. Labour s decline seems to be accelerating as the middle-class wokies advance within it No evidence then? Yes, plenty. Look at recent votes. " What has that got to do with your claim ‘the northwest want less wokery’. Evidence please | |||
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"I think voters in the north want less wokery. I'd like to also see Whitehall departments moved...the internet means that such departments no longer have to be in central London. Lower taxes would help Evidence that the ‘voters in the north west want less wokery’ You think they want more? No doubt some do, but not many. Recent election results and the Brexit referendum shows they don't like being told how to speak and think. By all means Labour can offer more wokery. Let the people decide!" Top notch brexit banter. | |||
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"I think voters in the north want less wokery. I'd like to also see Whitehall departments moved...the internet means that such departments no longer have to be in central London. Lower taxes would help Evidence that the ‘voters in the north west want less wokery’ You think they want more? No doubt some do, but not many. Recent election results and the Brexit referendum shows they don't like being told how to speak and think. By all means Labour can offer more wokery. Let the people decide! Evidence ? We'll have to see future election results, won't we? But the Labour vote is at historic low levels and more working-class people voted Tory than Labour at the last election. Not looking good. Labour s decline seems to be accelerating as the middle-class wokies advance within it No evidence then? Yes, plenty. Look at recent votes. What has that got to do with your claim ‘the northwest want less wokery’. Evidence please " Hmm. You're determined to put your fingers in your ears, aren't you? The voters are telling you something! Fair enough. Your loss. Why not wait to see the results of future elections if you think current results should be ignored? | |||
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"I think voters in the north want less wokery. I'd like to also see Whitehall departments moved...the internet means that such departments no longer have to be in central London. Lower taxes would help Evidence that the ‘voters in the north west want less wokery’ You think they want more? No doubt some do, but not many. Recent election results and the Brexit referendum shows they don't like being told how to speak and think. By all means Labour can offer more wokery. Let the people decide! Top notch brexit banter. " | |||
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"I think voters in the north want less wokery. I'd like to also see Whitehall departments moved...the internet means that such departments no longer have to be in central London. Lower taxes would help Evidence that the ‘voters in the north west want less wokery’ You think they want more? No doubt some do, but not many. Recent election results and the Brexit referendum shows they don't like being told how to speak and think. By all means Labour can offer more wokery. Let the people decide! Evidence ? We'll have to see future election results, won't we? But the Labour vote is at historic low levels and more working-class people voted Tory than Labour at the last election. Not looking good. Labour s decline seems to be accelerating as the middle-class wokies advance within it No evidence then? Yes, plenty. Look at recent votes. What has that got to do with your claim ‘the northwest want less wokery’. Evidence please Hmm. You're determined to put your fingers in your ears, aren't you? The voters are telling you something! Fair enough. Your loss. Why not wait to see the results of future elections if you think current results should be ignored? "I still haven’t seen you provide the evidence, good effort though | |||
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"I think voters in the north want less wokery. I'd like to also see Whitehall departments moved...the internet means that such departments no longer have to be in central London. Lower taxes would help Evidence that the ‘voters in the north west want less wokery’ You think they want more? No doubt some do, but not many. Recent election results and the Brexit referendum shows they don't like being told how to speak and think. By all means Labour can offer more wokery. Let the people decide! Evidence ? We'll have to see future election results, won't we? But the Labour vote is at historic low levels and more working-class people voted Tory than Labour at the last election. Not looking good. Labour s decline seems to be accelerating as the middle-class wokies advance within it No evidence then? Yes, plenty. Look at recent votes. What has that got to do with your claim ‘the northwest want less wokery’. Evidence please Hmm. You're determined to put your fingers in your ears, aren't you? The voters are telling you something! Fair enough. Your loss. Why not wait to see the results of future elections if you think current results should be ignored? "What are the ‘wokery’ levels in Spain? | |||
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"Whats not been mentioned, is money has now been made available to get the Leeds tramway system started. Leeds is the largest city in Western Europe without a proper metro system. He's broken,yet another, promise. So you are saying the PM promised not to build the Leeds metro but has now broken that promise by saying it is to be built? I would have thought the people of Leeds were happy he has changed his mind. I guess you don't live in Leeds yourself.! For the avoidance of doubt; BoZo Johnson categorically promised to build HS2 in full Repeatedly. He has broken that promise." thank God never wanted it wasn't going to help us here. | |||
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"Whats not been mentioned, is money has now been made available to get the Leeds tramway system started. Leeds is the largest city in Western Europe without a proper metro system. He's broken,yet another, promise. So you are saying the PM promised not to build the Leeds metro but has now broken that promise by saying it is to be built? I would have thought the people of Leeds were happy he has changed his mind. I guess you don't live in Leeds yourself.! For the avoidance of doubt; BoZo Johnson categorically promised to build HS2 in full Repeatedly. He has broken that promise.thank God never wanted it wasn't going to help us here." going by this thread not many did want it so I fail to see why so many are upset lol | |||
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"Whats not been mentioned, is money has now been made available to get the Leeds tramway system started. Leeds is the largest city in Western Europe without a proper metro system. He's broken,yet another, promise. So you are saying the PM promised not to build the Leeds metro but has now broken that promise by saying it is to be built? I would have thought the people of Leeds were happy he has changed his mind. I guess you don't live in Leeds yourself.! For the avoidance of doubt; BoZo Johnson categorically promised to build HS2 in full Repeatedly. He has broken that promise.thank God never wanted it wasn't going to help us here.going by this thread not many did want it so I fail to see why so many are upset lol" Obviously it's a chance for the left to moan about something, regardless whether they wanted it or not. This morning on BBC breakfast Kier Stamer got called out when he started to moan about HS2 it was pointed out to him he had tweeted against having HS2. Lol | |||
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"Whats not been mentioned, is money has now been made available to get the Leeds tramway system started. Leeds is the largest city in Western Europe without a proper metro system. He's broken,yet another, promise. So you are saying the PM promised not to build the Leeds metro but has now broken that promise by saying it is to be built? I would have thought the people of Leeds were happy he has changed his mind. I guess you don't live in Leeds yourself.! For the avoidance of doubt; BoZo Johnson categorically promised to build HS2 in full Repeatedly. He has broken that promise.thank God never wanted it wasn't going to help us here.going by this thread not many did want it so I fail to see why so many are upset lol Obviously it's a chance for the left to moan about something, regardless whether they wanted it or not. This morning on BBC breakfast Kier Stamer got called out when he started to moan about HS2 it was pointed out to him he had tweeted against having HS2. Lol" haha just typical | |||
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"I think voters in the north want less wokery. I'd like to also see Whitehall departments moved...the internet means that such departments no longer have to be in central London. Lower taxes would help Evidence that the ‘voters in the north west want less wokery’ You think they want more? No doubt some do, but not many. Recent election results and the Brexit referendum shows they don't like being told how to speak and think. By all means Labour can offer more wokery. Let the people decide! Evidence ? We'll have to see future election results, won't we? But the Labour vote is at historic low levels and more working-class people voted Tory than Labour at the last election. Not looking good. Labour s decline seems to be accelerating as the middle-class wokies advance within it No evidence then? Yes, plenty. Look at recent votes. What has that got to do with your claim ‘the northwest want less wokery’. Evidence please Hmm. You're determined to put your fingers in your ears, aren't you? The voters are telling you something! Fair enough. Your loss. Why not wait to see the results of future elections if you think current results should be ignored?
I still haven’t seen you provide the evidence, good effort though "No evidence? I've told you where to look... recent election results. It's quite clear you don't want to know anything that contradicts your prejudice. So be it | |||
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"Whats not been mentioned, is money has now been made available to get the Leeds tramway system started. Leeds is the largest city in Western Europe without a proper metro system. He's broken,yet another, promise. So you are saying the PM promised not to build the Leeds metro but has now broken that promise by saying it is to be built? I would have thought the people of Leeds were happy he has changed his mind. I guess you don't live in Leeds yourself.! For the avoidance of doubt; BoZo Johnson categorically promised to build HS2 in full Repeatedly. He has broken that promise.thank God never wanted it wasn't going to help us here.going by this thread not many did want it so I fail to see why so many are upset lol Obviously it's a chance for the left to moan about something, regardless whether they wanted it or not. This morning on BBC breakfast Kier Stamer got called out when he started to moan about HS2 it was pointed out to him he had tweeted against having HS2. Lol" The left are the equivalent of a child putting it's fingers in its ears and screaming | |||
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"I think voters in the north want less wokery. I'd like to also see Whitehall departments moved...the internet means that such departments no longer have to be in central London. Lower taxes would help Evidence that the ‘voters in the north west want less wokery’ You think they want more? No doubt some do, but not many. Recent election results and the Brexit referendum shows they don't like being told how to speak and think. By all means Labour can offer more wokery. Let the people decide! Evidence ? We'll have to see future election results, won't we? But the Labour vote is at historic low levels and more working-class people voted Tory than Labour at the last election. Not looking good. Labour s decline seems to be accelerating as the middle-class wokies advance within it No evidence then? Yes, plenty. Look at recent votes. What has that got to do with your claim ‘the northwest want less wokery’. Evidence please Hmm. You're determined to put your fingers in your ears, aren't you? The voters are telling you something! Fair enough. Your loss. Why not wait to see the results of future elections if you think current results should be ignored?
I still haven’t seen you provide the evidence, good effort though
No evidence? I've told you where to look... recent election results.
It's quite clear you don't want to know anything that contradicts your prejudice.
So be it"Just to clarify, what is your version of ‘Wokery’ and why are only non Tory and remain voters woke? | |||
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"The labour party and co should be embarrassed by the fact they can't oust an Eton idiot, a bumbling buffoon, a tittle tattling toff, a blonde boar, a..... ok..... you know what i mean "Why is it the Labour parties responsibility? The electorate keep voting for these self serving aristocrats. | |||
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"The labour party and co should be embarrassed by the fact they can't oust an Eton idiot, a bumbling buffoon, a tittle tattling toff, a blonde boar, a..... ok..... you know what i mean "It happens, just like the Tories couldn’t oust Blair, 3 times | |||
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"The labour party and co should be embarrassed by the fact they can't oust an Eton idiot, a bumbling buffoon, a tittle tattling toff, a blonde boar, a..... ok..... you know what i mean
Why is it the Labour parties responsibility?
The electorate keep voting for these self serving aristocrats. "the oppositions job is to be an effective opposition! what you want people just to vote labour? | |||
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"The labour party and co should be embarrassed by the fact they can't oust an Eton idiot, a bumbling buffoon, a tittle tattling toff, a blonde boar, a..... ok..... you know what i mean
Why is it the Labour parties responsibility?
The electorate keep voting for these self serving aristocrats.
the oppositions job is to be an effective opposition! what you want people just to vote labour? "I don't "want" anything specific. Just seems odd to blame Labour for people voting for self serving aristocrats who only care about getting rich at the expense of everyone else. Seems far too simplistic to blame Labour. 1. They're not the only opposition 2. People could choose not to vote for the Tories regardless of what Labour are doing. 3. Lots of people don't pay much attention, and just vote for the same party over and over. 4. A large proportion of the media don't cover the governments self serving nature in much detail. 5. There are other issues, such as people who voted to "get Brexit done". Which was apparently worth voting Conservative for. 6. People just don't care. As an example all the people on here who say things like "well all governments lie/line their own pockets/are corrupt etc". As a few examples. There's much more that people not liking Labours policies or leader. | |||
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"Whats not been mentioned, is money has now been made available to get the Leeds tramway system started. Leeds is the largest city in Western Europe without a proper metro system. He's broken,yet another, promise. So you are saying the PM promised not to build the Leeds metro but has now broken that promise by saying it is to be built? I would have thought the people of Leeds were happy he has changed his mind. I guess you don't live in Leeds yourself.! For the avoidance of doubt; BoZo Johnson categorically promised to build HS2 in full Repeatedly. He has broken that promise.thank God never wanted it wasn't going to help us here.going by this thread not many did want it so I fail to see why so many are upset lol" Have to agree there foxy, several of the people being vocal about it in this thread were previously dead against it and saying what a waste of money it was, really is funny how people seemed to have changed there minds now
Personally I was never in favour of it, always felt far to much money for the benefits and was always going to be so late being commissioned that it would be out dated by the time is was complete. If the government carries through with the announcement the other day I think far more people will benefit than the privileged hs2 crew. | |||
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"Whats not been mentioned, is money has now been made available to get the Leeds tramway system started. Leeds is the largest city in Western Europe without a proper metro system. He's broken,yet another, promise. So you are saying the PM promised not to build the Leeds metro but has now broken that promise by saying it is to be built? I would have thought the people of Leeds were happy he has changed his mind. I guess you don't live in Leeds yourself.! For the avoidance of doubt; BoZo Johnson categorically promised to build HS2 in full Repeatedly. He has broken that promise.thank God never wanted it wasn't going to help us here.going by this thread not many did want it so I fail to see why so many are upset lol Have to agree there foxy, several of the people being vocal about it in this thread were previously dead against it and saying what a waste of money it was, really is funny how people seemed to have changed there minds now
Personally I was never in favour of it, always felt far to much money for the benefits and was always going to be so late being commissioned that it would be out dated by the time is was complete. If the government carries through with the announcement the other day I think far more people will benefit than the privileged hs2 crew."Has it been scraped or just shelved, hearing they are spending £100 million on a study it might be re introduced in the future | |||
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"I think voters in the north want less wokery. I'd like to also see Whitehall departments moved...the internet means that such departments no longer have to be in central London. Lower taxes would help Evidence that the ‘voters in the north west want less wokery’ You think they want more? No doubt some do, but not many. Recent election results and the Brexit referendum shows they don't like being told how to speak and think. By all means Labour can offer more wokery. Let the people decide! Evidence ? We'll have to see future election results, won't we? But the Labour vote is at historic low levels and more working-class people voted Tory than Labour at the last election. Not looking good. Labour s decline seems to be accelerating as the middle-class wokies advance within it No evidence then? Yes, plenty. Look at recent votes. What has that got to do with your claim ‘the northwest want less wokery’. Evidence please Hmm. You're determined to put your fingers in your ears, aren't you? The voters are telling you something! Fair enough. Your loss. Why not wait to see the results of future elections if you think current results should be ignored?
I still haven’t seen you provide the evidence, good effort though
No evidence? I've told you where to look... recent election results.
It's quite clear you don't want to know anything that contradicts your prejudice.
So be it
Just to clarify, what is your version of ‘Wokery’ and why are only non Tory and remain voters woke? "Wokism is racism, sexism, discrimination, illiberalism, authoritarianism, hatred, opposition to free speech and thought, division, group identity and rivalry... | |||
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"I think voters in the north want less wokery. I'd like to also see Whitehall departments moved...the internet means that such departments no longer have to be in central London. Lower taxes would help Evidence that the ‘voters in the north west want less wokery’ You think they want more? No doubt some do, but not many. Recent election results and the Brexit referendum shows they don't like being told how to speak and think. By all means Labour can offer more wokery. Let the people decide! Evidence ? We'll have to see future election results, won't we? But the Labour vote is at historic low levels and more working-class people voted Tory than Labour at the last election. Not looking good. Labour s decline seems to be accelerating as the middle-class wokies advance within it No evidence then? Yes, plenty. Look at recent votes. What has that got to do with your claim ‘the northwest want less wokery’. Evidence please Hmm. You're determined to put your fingers in your ears, aren't you? The voters are telling you something! Fair enough. Your loss. Why not wait to see the results of future elections if you think current results should be ignored?
I still haven’t seen you provide the evidence, good effort though
No evidence? I've told you where to look... recent election results.
It's quite clear you don't want to know anything that contradicts your prejudice.
So be it
Just to clarify, what is your version of ‘Wokery’ and why are only non Tory and remain voters woke?
Wokism is racism, sexism, discrimination, illiberalism, authoritarianism, hatred, opposition to free speech and thought, division, group identity and rivalry..."Right, now I can see why your so confused, noted | |||
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"I think voters in the north want less wokery. I'd like to also see Whitehall departments moved...the internet means that such departments no longer have to be in central London. Lower taxes would help Evidence that the ‘voters in the north west want less wokery’ You think they want more? No doubt some do, but not many. Recent election results and the Brexit referendum shows they don't like being told how to speak and think. By all means Labour can offer more wokery. Let the people decide! Evidence ? We'll have to see future election results, won't we? But the Labour vote is at historic low levels and more working-class people voted Tory than Labour at the last election. Not looking good. Labour s decline seems to be accelerating as the middle-class wokies advance within it No evidence then? Yes, plenty. Look at recent votes. What has that got to do with your claim ‘the northwest want less wokery’. Evidence please Hmm. You're determined to put your fingers in your ears, aren't you? The voters are telling you something! Fair enough. Your loss. Why not wait to see the results of future elections if you think current results should be ignored?
I still haven’t seen you provide the evidence, good effort though
No evidence? I've told you where to look... recent election results.
It's quite clear you don't want to know anything that contradicts your prejudice.
So be it
Just to clarify, what is your version of ‘Wokery’ and why are only non Tory and remain voters woke?
Wokism is racism, sexism, discrimination, illiberalism, authoritarianism, hatred, opposition to free speech and thought, division, group identity and rivalry...
Right, now I can see why your so confused, noted "Not at all. I am liberal. The woke are illiberal and don't believe in people having views they don't approve of They try to get people to lose their jobs. They stop people expressing views they don't like. They get talks cancelled. I am liberal. I oppose all of that. Why am I confused? | |||
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"I think voters in the north want less wokery. I'd like to also see Whitehall departments moved...the internet means that such departments no longer have to be in central London. Lower taxes would help Evidence that the ‘voters in the north west want less wokery’ You think they want more? No doubt some do, but not many. Recent election results and the Brexit referendum shows they don't like being told how to speak and think. By all means Labour can offer more wokery. Let the people decide! Evidence ? We'll have to see future election results, won't we? But the Labour vote is at historic low levels and more working-class people voted Tory than Labour at the last election. Not looking good. Labour s decline seems to be accelerating as the middle-class wokies advance within it No evidence then? Yes, plenty. Look at recent votes. What has that got to do with your claim ‘the northwest want less wokery’. Evidence please Hmm. You're determined to put your fingers in your ears, aren't you? The voters are telling you something! Fair enough. Your loss. Why not wait to see the results of future elections if you think current results should be ignored?
I still haven’t seen you provide the evidence, good effort though
No evidence? I've told you where to look... recent election results.
It's quite clear you don't want to know anything that contradicts your prejudice.
So be it
Just to clarify, what is your version of ‘Wokery’ and why are only non Tory and remain voters woke?
Wokism is racism, sexism, discrimination, illiberalism, authoritarianism, hatred, opposition to free speech and thought, division, group identity and rivalry...
Right, now I can see why your so confused, noted
Not at all. I am liberal. The woke are illiberal and don't believe in people having views they don't approve of
They try to get people to lose their jobs. They stop people expressing views they don't like.
They get talks cancelled.
I am liberal. I oppose all of that. Why am I confused?"Your very confused, it’s actually quite worrying | |||
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"I think voters in the north want less wokery. I'd like to also see Whitehall departments moved...the internet means that such departments no longer have to be in central London. Lower taxes would help Evidence that the ‘voters in the north west want less wokery’ You think they want more? No doubt some do, but not many. Recent election results and the Brexit referendum shows they don't like being told how to speak and think. By all means Labour can offer more wokery. Let the people decide! Evidence ? We'll have to see future election results, won't we? But the Labour vote is at historic low levels and more working-class people voted Tory than Labour at the last election. Not looking good. Labour s decline seems to be accelerating as the middle-class wokies advance within it No evidence then? Yes, plenty. Look at recent votes. What has that got to do with your claim ‘the northwest want less wokery’. Evidence please Hmm. You're determined to put your fingers in your ears, aren't you? The voters are telling you something! Fair enough. Your loss. Why not wait to see the results of future elections if you think current results should be ignored?
I still haven’t seen you provide the evidence, good effort though
No evidence? I've told you where to look... recent election results.
It's quite clear you don't want to know anything that contradicts your prejudice.
So be it
Just to clarify, what is your version of ‘Wokery’ and why are only non Tory and remain voters woke?
Wokism is racism, sexism, discrimination, illiberalism, authoritarianism, hatred, opposition to free speech and thought, division, group identity and rivalry...
Right, now I can see why your so confused, noted
Not at all. I am liberal. The woke are illiberal and don't believe in people having views they don't approve of
They try to get people to lose their jobs. They stop people expressing views they don't like.
They get talks cancelled.
I am liberal. I oppose all of that. Why am I confused?"This is some of the maddest shit I've ever read. Are you on a wind up? | |||
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"I think voters in the north want less wokery. I'd like to also see Whitehall departments moved...the internet means that such departments no longer have to be in central London. Lower taxes would help Evidence that the ‘voters in the north west want less wokery’ You think they want more? No doubt some do, but not many. Recent election results and the Brexit referendum shows they don't like being told how to speak and think. By all means Labour can offer more wokery. Let the people decide! Evidence ? We'll have to see future election results, won't we? But the Labour vote is at historic low levels and more working-class people voted Tory than Labour at the last election. Not looking good. Labour s decline seems to be accelerating as the middle-class wokies advance within it No evidence then? Yes, plenty. Look at recent votes. What has that got to do with your claim ‘the northwest want less wokery’. Evidence please Hmm. You're determined to put your fingers in your ears, aren't you? The voters are telling you something! Fair enough. Your loss. Why not wait to see the results of future elections if you think current results should be ignored?
I still haven’t seen you provide the evidence, good effort though
No evidence? I've told you where to look... recent election results.
It's quite clear you don't want to know anything that contradicts your prejudice.
So be it
Just to clarify, what is your version of ‘Wokery’ and why are only non Tory and remain voters woke?
Wokism is racism, sexism, discrimination, illiberalism, authoritarianism, hatred, opposition to free speech and thought, division, group identity and rivalry...
Right, now I can see why your so confused, noted
Not at all. I am liberal. The woke are illiberal and don't believe in people having views they don't approve of
They try to get people to lose their jobs. They stop people expressing views they don't like.
They get talks cancelled.
I am liberal. I oppose all of that. Why am I confused?
This is some of the maddest shit I've ever read. Are you on a wind up? "I hope so His Brexit material was good His climate denial material was good His anti woke material , not so good , atm Looking forward to his covid denial material | |||
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"I think voters in the north want less wokery. I'd like to also see Whitehall departments moved...the internet means that such departments no longer have to be in central London. Lower taxes would help Evidence that the ‘voters in the north west want less wokery’ You think they want more? No doubt some do, but not many. Recent election results and the Brexit referendum shows they don't like being told how to speak and think. By all means Labour can offer more wokery. Let the people decide! Evidence ? We'll have to see future election results, won't we? But the Labour vote is at historic low levels and more working-class people voted Tory than Labour at the last election. Not looking good. Labour s decline seems to be accelerating as the middle-class wokies advance within it No evidence then? Yes, plenty. Look at recent votes. What has that got to do with your claim ‘the northwest want less wokery’. Evidence please Hmm. You're determined to put your fingers in your ears, aren't you? The voters are telling you something! Fair enough. Your loss. Why not wait to see the results of future elections if you think current results should be ignored?
I still haven’t seen you provide the evidence, good effort though
No evidence? I've told you where to look... recent election results.
It's quite clear you don't want to know anything that contradicts your prejudice.
So be it
Just to clarify, what is your version of ‘Wokery’ and why are only non Tory and remain voters woke?
Wokism is racism, sexism, discrimination, illiberalism, authoritarianism, hatred, opposition to free speech and thought, division, group identity and rivalry...
Right, now I can see why your so confused, noted
Not at all. I am liberal. The woke are illiberal and don't believe in people having views they don't approve of
They try to get people to lose their jobs. They stop people expressing views they don't like.
They get talks cancelled.
I am liberal. I oppose all of that. Why am I confused?
This is some of the maddest shit I've ever read. Are you on a wind up?
I hope so
His Brexit material was good
His climate denial material was good
His anti woke material , not so good , atm
Looking forward to his covid denial material "The climate confusion/anger was good!
This is just saying the most random nonsense possible.
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"I think voters in the north want less wokery. I'd like to also see Whitehall departments moved...the internet means that such departments no longer have to be in central London. Lower taxes would help Evidence that the ‘voters in the north west want less wokery’ You think they want more? No doubt some do, but not many. Recent election results and the Brexit referendum shows they don't like being told how to speak and think. By all means Labour can offer more wokery. Let the people decide! Evidence ? We'll have to see future election results, won't we? But the Labour vote is at historic low levels and more working-class people voted Tory than Labour at the last election. Not looking good. Labour s decline seems to be accelerating as the middle-class wokies advance within it No evidence then? Yes, plenty. Look at recent votes. What has that got to do with your claim ‘the northwest want less wokery’. Evidence please Hmm. You're determined to put your fingers in your ears, aren't you? The voters are telling you something! Fair enough. Your loss. Why not wait to see the results of future elections if you think current results should be ignored?
I still haven’t seen you provide the evidence, good effort though
No evidence? I've told you where to look... recent election results.
It's quite clear you don't want to know anything that contradicts your prejudice.
So be it
Just to clarify, what is your version of ‘Wokery’ and why are only non Tory and remain voters woke?
Wokism is racism, sexism, discrimination, illiberalism, authoritarianism, hatred, opposition to free speech and thought, division, group identity and rivalry...
Right, now I can see why your so confused, noted
Not at all. I am liberal. The woke are illiberal and don't believe in people having views they don't approve of
They try to get people to lose their jobs. They stop people expressing views they don't like.
They get talks cancelled.
I am liberal. I oppose all of that. Why am I confused?
This is some of the maddest shit I've ever read. Are you on a wind up?
I hope so
His Brexit material was good
His climate denial material was good
His anti woke material , not so good , atm
Looking forward to his covid denial material
The climate confusion/anger was good!
This is just saying the most random nonsense possible.
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"Someone who is 'woke' is the precise opposite of a liberal. They are authoritarian. They believe in people not being able to speak freely. They want people to be sacked. The woke are illiberal. In what way are they not authoritarian/illiberal?" Lol
I've no clue what you're on about, or why, or what this has got to do with anything. But it's very funny.
I've got a few questions. Which of the following people would you say are "woke", and which are "not woke"?
Hitler
Gandhi
Thatcher
Pol Pot
Genghis Khan
Donald Trump
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"Someone who is 'woke' is the precise opposite of a liberal. They are authoritarian. They believe in people not being able to speak freely. They want people to be sacked. The woke are illiberal. In what way are they not authoritarian/illiberal? Lol
I've no clue what you're on about, or why, or what this has got to do with anything. But it's very funny.
I've got a few questions. Which of the following people would you say are "woke", and which are "not woke"?
Hitler
Gandhi
Thatcher
Pol Pot
Genghis Khan
Donald Trump
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"Someone who is 'woke' is the precise opposite of a liberal. They are authoritarian. They believe in people not being able to speak freely. They want people to be sacked. The woke are illiberal. In what way are they not authoritarian/illiberal? Lol
I've no clue what you're on about, or why, or what this has got to do with anything. But it's very funny.
I've got a few questions. Which of the following people would you say are "woke", and which are "not woke"?
Hitler
Gandhi
Thatcher
Pol Pot
Genghis Khan
Donald Trump
None.
Why is that funny?
What do you think liberalism is?"Ok they're all non-woke liberals. Check. What about: Kier Starmer Grigori Rasputin Carl Marx Mother Theresa Nigel Farage liberalism: noun 1. willingness to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; openness to new ideas. 2. a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise. | |||
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"Someone who is 'woke' is the precise opposite of a liberal. They are authoritarian. They believe in people not being able to speak freely. They want people to be sacked. The woke are illiberal. In what way are they not authoritarian/illiberal? Lol
I've no clue what you're on about, or why, or what this has got to do with anything. But it's very funny.
I've got a few questions. Which of the following people would you say are "woke", and which are "not woke"?
Hitler
Gandhi
Thatcher
Pol Pot
Genghis Khan
Donald Trump
None.
Why is that funny?
What do you think liberalism is?
Ok they're all non-woke liberals. Check.
What about:
Kier Starmer
Grigori Rasputin
Carl Marx
Mother Theresa
Nigel Farage
liberalism:
noun
1.
willingness to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; openness to new ideas.
2.
a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise."In what way do the 'woke' respect different opinions? Or civil liberties? Or free speech? Or individual rights. Or democracy? Am I correct in saying it is the woke who try to get opinions banned? Who think the holders of opinions they don't like should be sacked? The woke are authoritarian, not liberal | |||
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"Someone who is 'woke' is the precise opposite of a liberal. They are authoritarian. They believe in people not being able to speak freely. They want people to be sacked. The woke are illiberal. In what way are they not authoritarian/illiberal? Lol
I've no clue what you're on about, or why, or what this has got to do with anything. But it's very funny.
I've got a few questions. Which of the following people would you say are "woke", and which are "not woke"?
Hitler
Gandhi
Thatcher
Pol Pot
Genghis Khan
Donald Trump
None.
Why is that funny?
What do you think liberalism is?
Ok they're all non-woke liberals. Check.
What about:
Kier Starmer
Grigori Rasputin
Carl Marx
Mother Theresa
Nigel Farage
liberalism:
noun
1.
willingness to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; openness to new ideas.
2.
a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise."Do you feel the 'woke' respect or accept behaviour/opinions different to their own? Do you think your own behaviour and responses to my views demonstrate that? | |||
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"I think voters in the north want less wokery. I'd like to also see Whitehall departments moved...the internet means that such departments no longer have to be in central London. Lower taxes would help Evidence that the ‘voters in the north west want less wokery’ You think they want more? No doubt some do, but not many. Recent election results and the Brexit referendum shows they don't like being told how to speak and think. By all means Labour can offer more wokery. Let the people decide! Evidence ? We'll have to see future election results, won't we? But the Labour vote is at historic low levels and more working-class people voted Tory than Labour at the last election. Not looking good. Labour s decline seems to be accelerating as the middle-class wokies advance within it No evidence then? Yes, plenty. Look at recent votes. What has that got to do with your claim ‘the northwest want less wokery’. Evidence please Hmm. You're determined to put your fingers in your ears, aren't you? The voters are telling you something! Fair enough. Your loss. Why not wait to see the results of future elections if you think current results should be ignored?
I still haven’t seen you provide the evidence, good effort though
No evidence? I've told you where to look... recent election results.
It's quite clear you don't want to know anything that contradicts your prejudice.
So be it
Just to clarify, what is your version of ‘Wokery’ and why are only non Tory and remain voters woke?
Wokism is racism, sexism, discrimination, illiberalism, authoritarianism, hatred, opposition to free speech and thought, division, group identity and rivalry...
Right, now I can see why your so confused, noted
Not at all. I am liberal. The woke are illiberal and don't believe in people having views they don't approve of
They try to get people to lose their jobs. They stop people expressing views they don't like.
They get talks cancelled.
I am liberal. I oppose all of that. Why am I confused?
This is some of the maddest shit I've ever read. Are you on a wind up? "Its not mad! I love you so much I'm going to smoother you to death lol I'd let you fly but it's too dangerous .... yes I know what's best | |||
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"Someone who is 'woke' is the precise opposite of a liberal. They are authoritarian. They believe in people not being able to speak freely. They want people to be sacked. The woke are illiberal. In what way are they not authoritarian/illiberal? Lol
I've no clue what you're on about, or why, or what this has got to do with anything. But it's very funny.
I've got a few questions. Which of the following people would you say are "woke", and which are "not woke"?
Hitler
Gandhi
Thatcher
Pol Pot
Genghis Khan
Donald Trump
None.
Why is that funny?
What do you think liberalism is?
Ok they're all non-woke liberals. Check.
What about:
Kier Starmer
Grigori Rasputin
Carl Marx
Mother Theresa
Nigel Farage
liberalism:
noun
1.
willingness to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; openness to new ideas.
2.
a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise.
In what way do the 'woke' respect different opinions? Or civil liberties? Or free speech? Or individual rights. Or democracy?
Am I correct in saying it is the woke who try to get opinions banned? Who think the holders of opinions they don't like should be sacked?
The woke are authoritarian, not liberal"Lol
I've no idea what you're talking about.
Apart from Gandhi, the first bunch would seem to fit your definition:
Hitler, Thatcher, Pol Pot, Genghis Khan and Donald Trump:
Didn't respect different opinions, civil liberties, free speech, individual rights or democracy.
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"Someone who is 'woke' is the precise opposite of a liberal. They are authoritarian. They believe in people not being able to speak freely. They want people to be sacked. The woke are illiberal. In what way are they not authoritarian/illiberal? Lol
I've no clue what you're on about, or why, or what this has got to do with anything. But it's very funny.
I've got a few questions. Which of the following people would you say are "woke", and which are "not woke"?
Hitler
Gandhi
Thatcher
Pol Pot
Genghis Khan
Donald Trump
None.
Why is that funny?
What do you think liberalism is?
Ok they're all non-woke liberals. Check.
What about:
Kier Starmer
Grigori Rasputin
Carl Marx
Mother Theresa
Nigel Farage
liberalism:
noun
1.
willingness to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; openness to new ideas.
2.
a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise.
Do you feel the 'woke' respect or accept behaviour/opinions different to their own? Do you think your own behaviour and responses to my views demonstrate that?"What about Mussolini, was he one of "the woke"? | |||
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"Someone who is 'woke' is the precise opposite of a liberal. They are authoritarian. They believe in people not being able to speak freely. They want people to be sacked. The woke are illiberal. In what way are they not authoritarian/illiberal? Lol
I've no clue what you're on about, or why, or what this has got to do with anything. But it's very funny.
I've got a few questions. Which of the following people would you say are "woke", and which are "not woke"?
Hitler
Gandhi
Thatcher
Pol Pot
Genghis Khan
Donald Trump
None.
Why is that funny?
What do you think liberalism is?
Ok they're all non-woke liberals. Check.
What about:
Kier Starmer
Grigori Rasputin
Carl Marx
Mother Theresa
Nigel Farage
liberalism:
noun
1.
willingness to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; openness to new ideas.
2.
a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise.
Do you feel the 'woke' respect or accept behaviour/opinions different to their own? Do you think your own behaviour and responses to my views demonstrate that?
What about Mussolini, was he one of "the woke"?"You're wriggling. In what way does woke respect different views? | |||
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"Someone who is 'woke' is the precise opposite of a liberal. They are authoritarian. They believe in people not being able to speak freely. They want people to be sacked. The woke are illiberal. In what way are they not authoritarian/illiberal? Lol
I've no clue what you're on about, or why, or what this has got to do with anything. But it's very funny.
I've got a few questions. Which of the following people would you say are "woke", and which are "not woke"?
Hitler
Gandhi
Thatcher
Pol Pot
Genghis Khan
Donald Trump
None.
Why is that funny?
What do you think liberalism is?
Ok they're all non-woke liberals. Check.
What about:
Kier Starmer
Grigori Rasputin
Carl Marx
Mother Theresa
Nigel Farage
liberalism:
noun
1.
willingness to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; openness to new ideas.
2.
a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise.
Do you feel the 'woke' respect or accept behaviour/opinions different to their own? Do you think your own behaviour and responses to my views demonstrate that?
What about Mussolini, was he one of "the woke"?
You're wriggling.
In what way does woke respect different views?"Honestly, I haven't got a clue what you're talking about. Who are "the woke"? Tell me that, so I know what you're asking. | |||
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"Someone who is 'woke' is the precise opposite of a liberal. They are authoritarian. They believe in people not being able to speak freely. They want people to be sacked. The woke are illiberal. In what way are they not authoritarian/illiberal? Lol
I've no clue what you're on about, or why, or what this has got to do with anything. But it's very funny.
I've got a few questions. Which of the following people would you say are "woke", and which are "not woke"?
Hitler
Gandhi
Thatcher
Pol Pot
Genghis Khan
Donald Trump
None.
Why is that funny?
What do you think liberalism is?
Ok they're all non-woke liberals. Check.
What about:
Kier Starmer
Grigori Rasputin
Carl Marx
Mother Theresa
Nigel Farage
liberalism:
noun
1.
willingness to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; openness to new ideas.
2.
a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise.
Do you feel the 'woke' respect or accept behaviour/opinions different to their own? Do you think your own behaviour and responses to my views demonstrate that?
What about Mussolini, was he one of "the woke"?
You're wriggling.
In what way does woke respect different views?
Honestly, I haven't got a clue what you're talking about.
Who are "the woke"? Tell me that, so I know what you're asking. "Ha. Your usual tactic when you can't answer! I've put it as simply as possible. I suggest you read the thread. | |||
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"Someone who is 'woke' is the precise opposite of a liberal. They are authoritarian. They believe in people not being able to speak freely. They want people to be sacked. The woke are illiberal. In what way are they not authoritarian/illiberal? Lol
I've no clue what you're on about, or why, or what this has got to do with anything. But it's very funny.
I've got a few questions. Which of the following people would you say are "woke", and which are "not woke"?
Hitler
Gandhi
Thatcher
Pol Pot
Genghis Khan
Donald Trump
None.
Why is that funny?
What do you think liberalism is?
Ok they're all non-woke liberals. Check.
What about:
Kier Starmer
Grigori Rasputin
Carl Marx
Mother Theresa
Nigel Farage
liberalism:
noun
1.
willingness to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; openness to new ideas.
2.
a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise.
Do you feel the 'woke' respect or accept behaviour/opinions different to their own? Do you think your own behaviour and responses to my views demonstrate that?
What about Mussolini, was he one of "the woke"?
You're wriggling.
In what way does woke respect different views?
Honestly, I haven't got a clue what you're talking about.
Who are "the woke"? Tell me that, so I know what you're asking.
Ha. Your usual tactic when you can't answer!
I've put it as simply as possible. I suggest you read the thread."So in summary. In a thread about the government cancelling part of the HS2. You're outraged by "the woke". You can't tell anyone who they are. But you demand answers to some random questions about "the woke". Interesting. | |||
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"I think voters in the north want less wokery. I'd like to also see Whitehall departments moved...the internet means that such departments no longer have to be in central London. Lower taxes would help Evidence that the ‘voters in the north west want less wokery’ You think they want more? No doubt some do, but not many. Recent election results and the Brexit referendum shows they don't like being told how to speak and think. By all means Labour can offer more wokery. Let the people decide! Evidence ? We'll have to see future election results, won't we? But the Labour vote is at historic low levels and more working-class people voted Tory than Labour at the last election. Not looking good. Labour s decline seems to be accelerating as the middle-class wokies advance within it No evidence then? Yes, plenty. Look at recent votes. What has that got to do with your claim ‘the northwest want less wokery’. Evidence please Hmm. You're determined to put your fingers in your ears, aren't you? The voters are telling you something! Fair enough. Your loss. Why not wait to see the results of future elections if you think current results should be ignored?
I still haven’t seen you provide the evidence, good effort though
No evidence? I've told you where to look... recent election results.
It's quite clear you don't want to know anything that contradicts your prejudice.
So be it
Just to clarify, what is your version of ‘Wokery’ and why are only non Tory and remain voters woke?
Wokism is racism, sexism, discrimination, illiberalism, authoritarianism, hatred, opposition to free speech and thought, division, group identity and rivalry..."at most, someone can throw the anti semitism aspect of labour into this pot ... What else does labour do to get called woke? Presumably the Tories will be woke if they bring in anything around mandatory passports. And as the party that thrives on brexit (divisions), does that make them woke? I always had woke meant being awake to injustices. Admittedly some go to far. But o always had labour being the part for fighting injustice. It's jusy sometimes you aren't always the underdog ... | |||
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"Northern powerhouse is just another slogan from BoZo Johnson. It appears to mean very little. I believe that George Osborne first coined the phrase. And I believe BoZo Johnson is still paying lip service to it. It's just another thing he can break promises about True but I can remember back to the 1990s, and John Prescott in 1993, Frank Dobson and Tony Blair in 1995, all promising to renationalise the railways. They had over 13 years in Goverment and never even got started on it. so if BoZo trots that out as an exscuse, does that make breaking (yet another)promise acceptable? Thats up for the electorate to decide. Does Boris Johnson lie? Yes he does. Is he alone in this? No he isn't. " In all my years I have never known any MP to lie as much as Johnson, in fact he hardly ever speaks the truth and maybe never does. | |||
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"in defence of those who identify as the so-called 'anti-woke' ... just because they are paranoid, it doesn't mean to say that people aren't talking about them "I don't even know who "the woke" are. Some guy above seems outraged by them though. | |||
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"Northern powerhouse is just another slogan from BoZo Johnson. It appears to mean very little. I believe that George Osborne first coined the phrase. " He sure did as well as licking Xi Jinping's ring over China being our bezzy mate. How that's gone tits up the last 3 years, same as all Osborne's plans have | |||
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