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"Oh dear. And I thought Brexit was gonna benefit the country. Should I wave my flag extra hard? Will that help? PS this is based on an analysis of official governmnt figures by academics at the University of Sussex UK Trade Policy Observatory." You just have to believe and all the Brexit promises will come true | |||
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"Oh dear. And I thought Brexit was gonna benefit the country. Should I wave my flag extra hard? Will that help? PS this is based on an analysis of official governmnt figures by academics at the University of Sussex UK Trade Policy Observatory. You just have to believe and all the Brexit promises will come true " I guess I just need to hold my breath and believe really, really hard  | |||
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"Oh dear. And I thought Brexit was gonna benefit the country. Should I wave my flag extra hard? Will that help? PS this is based on an analysis of official governmnt figures by academics at the University of Sussex UK Trade Policy Observatory. You just have to believe and all the Brexit promises will come true I guess I just need to hold my breath and believe really, really hard "god i really wish you would,your starting to sound as whinny as those who wanted brexit for 15-20 years | |||
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"Oh dear. And I thought Brexit was gonna benefit the country. Should I wave my flag extra hard? Will that help? PS this is based on an analysis of official governmnt figures by academics at the University of Sussex UK Trade Policy Observatory. You just have to believe and all the Brexit promises will come true I guess I just need to hold my breath and believe really, really hard god i really wish you would,your starting to sound as whinny as those who wanted brexit for 15-20 years"Cheers | |||
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"Oh dear. And I thought Brexit was gonna benefit the country. Should I wave my flag extra hard? Will that help? PS this is based on an analysis of official governmnt figures by academics at the University of Sussex UK Trade Policy Observatory. You just have to believe and all the Brexit promises will come true I guess I just need to hold my breath and believe really, really hard god i really wish you would,your starting to sound as whinny as those who wanted brexit for 15-20 years"You didn’t vote for Brexit, your not bothered about Brexit yet you get annoyed when people complain how shit Brexit is? Interesting | |||
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"Yes, but what about the shiny blue passports (that were admittedly made abroad)?" Indeed! | |||
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"Oh dear. And I thought Brexit was gonna benefit the country. Should I wave my flag extra hard? Will that help? PS this is based on an analysis of official governmnt figures by academics at the University of Sussex UK Trade Policy Observatory. You just have to believe and all the Brexit promises will come true I guess I just need to hold my breath and believe really, really hard god i really wish you would,your starting to sound as whinny as those who wanted brexit for 15-20 years
You didn’t vote for Brexit, your not bothered about Brexit yet you get annoyed when people complain how shit Brexit is? Interesting "just pointing out you are moaning about brexit as much as those who moaned about being in the e.u. U have more in common with them than you think and like i have told you before i can comment on whatever thread i want to,why you find that intresting i have no idea,but hey whatever floats your boat sweetheart | |||
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"Oh dear. And I thought Brexit was gonna benefit the country. Should I wave my flag extra hard? Will that help? PS this is based on an analysis of official governmnt figures by academics at the University of Sussex UK Trade Policy Observatory. You just have to believe and all the Brexit promises will come true I guess I just need to hold my breath and believe really, really hard god i really wish you would,your starting to sound as whinny as those who wanted brexit for 15-20 years
You didn’t vote for Brexit, your not bothered about Brexit yet you get annoyed when people complain how shit Brexit is? Interesting just pointing out you are moaning about brexit as much as those who moaned about being in the e.u. U have more in common with them than you think and like i have told you before i can comment on whatever thread i want to,why you find that intresting i have no idea,but hey whatever floats your boat sweetheart"So your moaning about people who you think are moaning? Interesting | |||
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"Oh dear. And I thought Brexit was gonna benefit the country. Should I wave my flag extra hard? Will that help? PS this is based on an analysis of official governmnt figures by academics at the University of Sussex UK Trade Policy Observatory. You just have to believe and all the Brexit promises will come true I guess I just need to hold my breath and believe really, really hard god i really wish you would,your starting to sound as whinny as those who wanted brexit for 15-20 years
You didn’t vote for Brexit, your not bothered about Brexit yet you get annoyed when people complain how shit Brexit is? Interesting just pointing out you are moaning about brexit as much as those who moaned about being in the e.u. U have more in common with them than you think and like i have told you before i can comment on whatever thread i want to,why you find that intresting i have no idea,but hey whatever floats your boat sweetheart
So your moaning about people who you think are moaning? Interesting "Titfastic ?? Question for you who did to you vote for during Brexit ? And which political party do you support ? | |||
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"I'm from Scotland and voted remain but I'd change my vote if I could tbh. Brexit is shit but there's no plans for a western global economy other than cheap labour sweatshops and injecting more cultural unrest into Europe so multinational corporations can cash in on the desperation. The EU will last another 20 years tops before it bursts into flames. Better off out before it blows." That is an interesting take but I don’t agree. We are already seeing the need for the lowering of standards in the UK if we are to compete with cheap oversees products and labour markets. The NZ trade deal demonstrates that UK farmers will not be able to compete on price. Why? Cheaper production costs in NZ with lower wages, more intensive farming (hugely larger farms and volume of livestock), and permitted use of hormone injections and pesticides. For UK farmers to compete in price this can only go one way, lower food and farming standards and lower wages to reduce production costs. Multiply that by free trade deals with the likes of India and China without the negotiating power of being in the EU, and this can only go one way. Brexit was the Trojan Horse to allow the very rich and powerful 0.1% to start the process of diluting and reducing employment/workers rights and human rights. Nobody is saying the EU was perfect, far from it, but Brexit (as it stands and has been “designed” is a con). | |||
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"Yes, but what about the shiny blue passports (that were admittedly made abroad)?" You mean the blue passports that we could have had as members of the EU since there was no restriction on the colour of passports? | |||
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"Ffs you lost the vote, you didn’t win, move on get over. " Based on your posting history I’d say this is genuine rather than satire right? When something is so blatantly causing harm and will cause increased harm in future to normal everyday people, then no I don’t think we should move on. Did the anti-EU brigade move on for 40 years? Nah, this is going to run and run. Feel free to dip out any time you want and bask in your apparent “victory”. Please be sure to share with us all those tangible benefits as they are realised! | |||
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"Ffs you lost the vote, you didn’t win, move on get over. " you didn't win the first referendum, ffs you lost, why didn't you get over it? | |||
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"Ffs you lost the vote, you didn’t win, move on get over. Based on your posting history I’d say this is genuine rather than satire right? When something is so blatantly causing harm and will cause increased harm in future to normal everyday people, then no I don’t think we should move on. Did the anti-EU brigade move on for 40 years? Nah, this is going to run and run. Feel free to dip out any time you want and bask in your apparent “victory”. Please be sure to share with us all those tangible benefits as they are realised! " And will cause increase harm in future??? So you can predict the future? Its was a democratic vote, only why to reverse it is by another democratic vote. Bitching on a swingers forum won’t alter anything  | |||
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"Ffs you lost the vote, you didn’t win, move on get over. Based on your posting history I’d say this is genuine rather than satire right? When something is so blatantly causing harm and will cause increased harm in future to normal everyday people, then no I don’t think we should move on. Did the anti-EU brigade move on for 40 years? Nah, this is going to run and run. Feel free to dip out any time you want and bask in your apparent “victory”. Please be sure to share with us all those tangible benefits as they are realised! And will cause increase harm in future??? So you can predict the future? Its was a democratic vote, only why to reverse it is by another democratic vote. Bitching on a swingers forum won’t alter anything "and as it stands the odds for rejoining the EU are getting better please don't come out with the clap trap about predicting the future, as i will politely point out the stuff vote leave came out with, te unresearced stuff | |||
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"I'm from Scotland and voted remain but I'd change my vote if I could tbh. Brexit is shit but there's no plans for a western global economy other than cheap labour sweatshops and injecting more cultural unrest into Europe so multinational corporations can cash in on the desperation. The EU will last another 20 years tops before it bursts into flames. Better off out before it blows. That is an interesting take but I don’t agree. We are already seeing the need for the lowering of standards in the UK if we are to compete with cheap oversees products and labour markets. The NZ trade deal demonstrates that UK farmers will not be able to compete on price. Why? Cheaper production costs in NZ with lower wages, more intensive farming (hugely larger farms and volume of livestock), and permitted use of hormone injections and pesticides. For UK farmers to compete in price this can only go one way, lower food and farming standards and lower wages to reduce production costs. Multiply that by free trade deals with the likes of India and China without the negotiating power of being in the EU, and this can only go one way. Brexit was the Trojan Horse to allow the very rich and powerful 0.1% to start the process of diluting and reducing employment/workers rights and human rights. Nobody is saying the EU was perfect, far from it, but Brexit (as it stands and has been “designed” is a con). " Nobody's employee rights or working rights have changed or have been watered down at this moment in time. There is also nothing in the pipe line at present either. As an employer I check these things, check the acas website if you wish to dispute this but telling people there rights have changed or are going too is simply false. | |||
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"Ffs you lost the vote, you didn’t win, move on get over. Based on your posting history I’d say this is genuine rather than satire right? When something is so blatantly causing harm and will cause increased harm in future to normal everyday people, then no I don’t think we should move on. Did the anti-EU brigade move on for 40 years? Nah, this is going to run and run. Feel free to dip out any time you want and bask in your apparent “victory”. Please be sure to share with us all those tangible benefits as they are realised! And will cause increase harm in future??? So you can predict the future? Its was a democratic vote, only why to reverse it is by another democratic vote. Bitching on a swingers forum won’t alter anything "But clearly we like bitching. We had 40yrs of the anti EU brigade bitching and moaning. It’s quite cathartic. As for the future, well a permanent 4% hit on GDP for one. Add to that the desire (by this govt) to reduce employment/worker rights and human rights and you don’t need much of a crystal ball. But you keep believing and take solace from your certainty that you can tell me I am wrong as we go forward. | |||
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"Ffs you lost the vote, you didn’t win, move on get over. Based on your posting history I’d say this is genuine rather than satire right? When something is so blatantly causing harm and will cause increased harm in future to normal everyday people, then no I don’t think we should move on. Did the anti-EU brigade move on for 40 years? Nah, this is going to run and run. Feel free to dip out any time you want and bask in your apparent “victory”. Please be sure to share with us all those tangible benefits as they are realised! And will cause increase harm in future??? So you can predict the future? Its was a democratic vote, only why to reverse it is by another democratic vote. Bitching on a swingers forum won’t alter anything
and as it stands the odds for rejoining the EU are getting better
please don't come out with the clap trap about predicting the future, as i will politely point out the stuff vote leave came out with, te unresearced stuff"Odds show us odds/predictions then where you getting your information from ? | |||
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"I'm from Scotland and voted remain but I'd change my vote if I could tbh. Brexit is shit but there's no plans for a western global economy other than cheap labour sweatshops and injecting more cultural unrest into Europe so multinational corporations can cash in on the desperation. The EU will last another 20 years tops before it bursts into flames. Better off out before it blows. That is an interesting take but I don’t agree. We are already seeing the need for the lowering of standards in the UK if we are to compete with cheap oversees products and labour markets. The NZ trade deal demonstrates that UK farmers will not be able to compete on price. Why? Cheaper production costs in NZ with lower wages, more intensive farming (hugely larger farms and volume of livestock), and permitted use of hormone injections and pesticides. For UK farmers to compete in price this can only go one way, lower food and farming standards and lower wages to reduce production costs. Multiply that by free trade deals with the likes of India and China without the negotiating power of being in the EU, and this can only go one way. Brexit was the Trojan Horse to allow the very rich and powerful 0.1% to start the process of diluting and reducing employment/workers rights and human rights. Nobody is saying the EU was perfect, far from it, but Brexit (as it stands and has been “designed” is a con). Nobody's employee rights or working rights have changed or have been watered down at this moment in time. There is also nothing in the pipe line at present either. As an employer I check these things, check the acas website if you wish to dispute this but telling people there rights have changed or are going too is simply false." i've lost the right to live work and love anywhere in the EU I've been threatened with withdrawal from human rights protection | |||
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"Ffs you lost the vote, you didn’t win, move on get over. Based on your posting history I’d say this is genuine rather than satire right? When something is so blatantly causing harm and will cause increased harm in future to normal everyday people, then no I don’t think we should move on. Did the anti-EU brigade move on for 40 years? Nah, this is going to run and run. Feel free to dip out any time you want and bask in your apparent “victory”. Please be sure to share with us all those tangible benefits as they are realised! And will cause increase harm in future??? So you can predict the future? Its was a democratic vote, only why to reverse it is by another democratic vote. Bitching on a swingers forum won’t alter anything
and as it stands the odds for rejoining the EU are getting better
please don't come out with the clap trap about predicting the future, as i will politely point out the stuff vote leave came out with, te unresearced stuff
Odds show us odds/predictions then where you getting your information from ?"can i suggest you use google? | |||
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"I'm from Scotland and voted remain but I'd change my vote if I could tbh. Brexit is shit but there's no plans for a western global economy other than cheap labour sweatshops and injecting more cultural unrest into Europe so multinational corporations can cash in on the desperation. The EU will last another 20 years tops before it bursts into flames. Better off out before it blows. That is an interesting take but I don’t agree. We are already seeing the need for the lowering of standards in the UK if we are to compete with cheap oversees products and labour markets. The NZ trade deal demonstrates that UK farmers will not be able to compete on price. Why? Cheaper production costs in NZ with lower wages, more intensive farming (hugely larger farms and volume of livestock), and permitted use of hormone injections and pesticides. For UK farmers to compete in price this can only go one way, lower food and farming standards and lower wages to reduce production costs. Multiply that by free trade deals with the likes of India and China without the negotiating power of being in the EU, and this can only go one way. Brexit was the Trojan Horse to allow the very rich and powerful 0.1% to start the process of diluting and reducing employment/workers rights and human rights. Nobody is saying the EU was perfect, far from it, but Brexit (as it stands and has been “designed” is a con). Nobody's employee rights or working rights have changed or have been watered down at this moment in time. There is also nothing in the pipe line at present either. As an employer I check these things, check the acas website if you wish to dispute this but telling people there rights have changed or are going too is simply false. i've lost the right to live work and love anywhere in the EU I've been threatened with withdrawal from human rights protection " You can still do all those things and many more, you just have to do them differently like me. You personally have not been threatened at all with your human rights. And even though I voted remain the statement about employment rights is false, so I called it as is. | |||
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"I'm from Scotland and voted remain but I'd change my vote if I could tbh. Brexit is shit but there's no plans for a western global economy other than cheap labour sweatshops and injecting more cultural unrest into Europe so multinational corporations can cash in on the desperation. The EU will last another 20 years tops before it bursts into flames. Better off out before it blows. That is an interesting take but I don’t agree. We are already seeing the need for the lowering of standards in the UK if we are to compete with cheap oversees products and labour markets. The NZ trade deal demonstrates that UK farmers will not be able to compete on price. Why? Cheaper production costs in NZ with lower wages, more intensive farming (hugely larger farms and volume of livestock), and permitted use of hormone injections and pesticides. For UK farmers to compete in price this can only go one way, lower food and farming standards and lower wages to reduce production costs. Multiply that by free trade deals with the likes of India and China without the negotiating power of being in the EU, and this can only go one way. Brexit was the Trojan Horse to allow the very rich and powerful 0.1% to start the process of diluting and reducing employment/workers rights and human rights. Nobody is saying the EU was perfect, far from it, but Brexit (as it stands and has been “designed” is a con). Nobody's employee rights or working rights have changed or have been watered down at this moment in time. There is also nothing in the pipe line at present either. As an employer I check these things, check the acas website if you wish to dispute this but telling people there rights have changed or are going too is simply false. i've lost the right to live work and love anywhere in the EU I've been threatened with withdrawal from human rights protection " bloodly hell I was loving all over Benidorm in September lol | |||
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"Ffs you lost the vote, you didn’t win, move on get over. Based on your posting history I’d say this is genuine rather than satire right? When something is so blatantly causing harm and will cause increased harm in future to normal everyday people, then no I don’t think we should move on. Did the anti-EU brigade move on for 40 years? Nah, this is going to run and run. Feel free to dip out any time you want and bask in your apparent “victory”. Please be sure to share with us all those tangible benefits as they are realised! And will cause increase harm in future??? So you can predict the future? Its was a democratic vote, only why to reverse it is by another democratic vote. Bitching on a swingers forum won’t alter anything
and as it stands the odds for rejoining the EU are getting better
please don't come out with the clap trap about predicting the future, as i will politely point out the stuff vote leave came out with, te unresearced stuff
Odds show us odds/predictions then where you getting your information from ?
can i suggest you use google?
"Tells us the odds/facts that your talking about?? Your the one using quoting odds good to turn over the Brexit vote. Where you getting your fact/information from ??? | |||
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"I'm from Scotland and voted remain but I'd change my vote if I could tbh. Brexit is shit but there's no plans for a western global economy other than cheap labour sweatshops and injecting more cultural unrest into Europe so multinational corporations can cash in on the desperation. The EU will last another 20 years tops before it bursts into flames. Better off out before it blows. That is an interesting take but I don’t agree. We are already seeing the need for the lowering of standards in the UK if we are to compete with cheap oversees products and labour markets. The NZ trade deal demonstrates that UK farmers will not be able to compete on price. Why? Cheaper production costs in NZ with lower wages, more intensive farming (hugely larger farms and volume of livestock), and permitted use of hormone injections and pesticides. For UK farmers to compete in price this can only go one way, lower food and farming standards and lower wages to reduce production costs. Multiply that by free trade deals with the likes of India and China without the negotiating power of being in the EU, and this can only go one way. Brexit was the Trojan Horse to allow the very rich and powerful 0.1% to start the process of diluting and reducing employment/workers rights and human rights. Nobody is saying the EU was perfect, far from it, but Brexit (as it stands and has been “designed” is a con). Nobody's employee rights or working rights have changed or have been watered down at this moment in time. There is also nothing in the pipe line at present either. As an employer I check these things, check the acas website if you wish to dispute this but telling people there rights have changed or are going too is simply false." Of course they have not changed yet! Funny how pro-Brexit people talk about long term plans and 10yr+ windows. It is coming. The people who were driving Brexit want to create Singapore-on-Thames. | |||
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"Ffs you lost the vote, you didn’t win, move on get over. Based on your posting history I’d say this is genuine rather than satire right? When something is so blatantly causing harm and will cause increased harm in future to normal everyday people, then no I don’t think we should move on. Did the anti-EU brigade move on for 40 years? Nah, this is going to run and run. Feel free to dip out any time you want and bask in your apparent “victory”. Please be sure to share with us all those tangible benefits as they are realised! And will cause increase harm in future??? So you can predict the future? Its was a democratic vote, only why to reverse it is by another democratic vote. Bitching on a swingers forum won’t alter anything
and as it stands the odds for rejoining the EU are getting better
please don't come out with the clap trap about predicting the future, as i will politely point out the stuff vote leave came out with, te unresearced stuff
Odds show us odds/predictions then where you getting your information from ?
can i suggest you use google?
Tells us the odds/facts that your talking about??
Your the one using quoting odds good to turn over the Brexit vote. Where you getting your fact/information from ???"i google it | |||
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"Ffs you lost the vote, you didn’t win, move on get over. Based on your posting history I’d say this is genuine rather than satire right? When something is so blatantly causing harm and will cause increased harm in future to normal everyday people, then no I don’t think we should move on. Did the anti-EU brigade move on for 40 years? Nah, this is going to run and run. Feel free to dip out any time you want and bask in your apparent “victory”. Please be sure to share with us all those tangible benefits as they are realised! And will cause increase harm in future??? So you can predict the future? Its was a democratic vote, only why to reverse it is by another democratic vote. Bitching on a swingers forum won’t alter anything
and as it stands the odds for rejoining the EU are getting better
please don't come out with the clap trap about predicting the future, as i will politely point out the stuff vote leave came out with, te unresearced stuff
Odds show us odds/predictions then where you getting your information from ?
can i suggest you use google?
Tells us the odds/facts that your talking about??
Your the one using quoting odds good to turn over the Brexit vote. Where you getting your fact/information from ???
i google it
"So you don’t have any facts/stats by a reliable source?? To back up your claims, Carry on Bitchy Loved that film | |||
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"Ffs you lost the vote, you didn’t win, move on get over. Based on your posting history I’d say this is genuine rather than satire right? When something is so blatantly causing harm and will cause increased harm in future to normal everyday people, then no I don’t think we should move on. Did the anti-EU brigade move on for 40 years? Nah, this is going to run and run. Feel free to dip out any time you want and bask in your apparent “victory”. Please be sure to share with us all those tangible benefits as they are realised! And will cause increase harm in future??? So you can predict the future? Its was a democratic vote, only why to reverse it is by another democratic vote. Bitching on a swingers forum won’t alter anything
and as it stands the odds for rejoining the EU are getting better
please don't come out with the clap trap about predicting the future, as i will politely point out the stuff vote leave came out with, te unresearced stuff
Odds show us odds/predictions then where you getting your information from ?
can i suggest you use google?
Tells us the odds/facts that your talking about??
Your the one using quoting odds good to turn over the Brexit vote. Where you getting your fact/information from ???
i google it
So you don’t have any facts/stats by a reliable source??
To back up your claims,
Carry on Bitchy
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"trade deals if you have trade deals with 27 countries, worth approx 1250 pounds per person per year, and you get new deals worth 3 pounds per year, is this progress?" no but it’s a start | |||
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"trade deals if you have trade deals with 27 countries, worth approx 1250 pounds per person per year, and you get new deals worth 3 pounds per year, is this progress?no but it’s a start " it's a rubbish start and not what was promised | |||
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"and as it stands the odds for rejoining the EU are getting better " And if we rejoin, we won't have all the rebates and vetoes we had, and we'll probably have to accept the Euro and Schengen. Which, to be frank, would make me piss myself laughing. | |||
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"Oh dear. And I thought Brexit was gonna benefit the country. Should I wave my flag extra hard? Will that help? PS this is based on an analysis of official governmnt figures by academics at the University of Sussex UK Trade Policy Observatory. You just have to believe and all the Brexit promises will come true I guess I just need to hold my breath and believe really, really hard god i really wish you would,your starting to sound as whinny as those who wanted brexit for 15-20 years
You didn’t vote for Brexit, your not bothered about Brexit yet you get annoyed when people complain how shit Brexit is? Interesting just pointing out you are moaning about brexit as much as those who moaned about being in the e.u. U have more in common with them than you think and like i have told you before i can comment on whatever thread i want to,why you find that intresting i have no idea,but hey whatever floats your boat sweetheart
So your moaning about people who you think are moaning? Interesting
Titfastic ??
Question for you who did to you vote for during Brexit ?
And which political party do you support ?
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"trade deals if you have trade deals with 27 countries, worth approx 1250 pounds per person per year, and you get new deals worth 3 pounds per year, is this progress?no but it’s a start it's a rubbish start and not what was promised" atleast you’ve accepted it’s a start | |||
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"trade deals if you have trade deals with 27 countries, worth approx 1250 pounds per person per year, and you get new deals worth 3 pounds per year, is this progress?no but it’s a start it's a rubbish start and not what was promisedatleast you’ve accepted it’s a start " it's a step backwards, a huge step backwards, do you accept that? | |||
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"trade deals if you have trade deals with 27 countries, worth approx 1250 pounds per person per year, and you get new deals worth 3 pounds per year, is this progress?no but it’s a start it's a rubbish start and not what was promisedatleast you’ve accepted it’s a start it's a step backwards, a huge step backwards, do you accept that?" how is getting deals with other countries backwards we still trade with the eu | |||
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"trade deals if you have trade deals with 27 countries, worth approx 1250 pounds per person per year, and you get new deals worth 3 pounds per year, is this progress?no but it’s a start it's a rubbish start and not what was promisedatleast you’ve accepted it’s a start it's a step backwards, a huge step backwards, do you accept that? how is getting deals with other countries backwards we still trade with the eu " the deal we had with the EU was ripped up, do you understand that? | |||
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"trade deals if you have trade deals with 27 countries, worth approx 1250 pounds per person per year, and you get new deals worth 3 pounds per year, is this progress?no but it’s a start it's a rubbish start and not what was promisedatleast you’ve accepted it’s a start it's a step backwards, a huge step backwards, do you accept that? how is getting deals with other countries backwards we still trade with the eu the deal we had with the EU was ripped up, do you understand that?" lol there ya go again | |||
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"trade deals if you have trade deals with 27 countries, worth approx 1250 pounds per person per year, and you get new deals worth 3 pounds per year, is this progress?no but it’s a start it's a rubbish start and not what was promisedatleast you’ve accepted it’s a start it's a step backwards, a huge step backwards, do you accept that? how is getting deals with other countries backwards we still trade with the eu the deal we had with the EU was ripped up, do you understand that?lol there ya go again " yeah, there i go again, using logic and facts. Again do you understand that the deal with the EU was ripped up? | |||
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"I'm from Scotland and voted remain but I'd change my vote if I could tbh. Brexit is shit but there's no plans for a western global economy other than cheap labour sweatshops and injecting more cultural unrest into Europe so multinational corporations can cash in on the desperation. The EU will last another 20 years tops before it bursts into flames. Better off out before it blows. That is an interesting take but I don’t agree. We are already seeing the need for the lowering of standards in the UK if we are to compete with cheap oversees products and labour markets. The NZ trade deal demonstrates that UK farmers will not be able to compete on price. Why? Cheaper production costs in NZ with lower wages, more intensive farming (hugely larger farms and volume of livestock), and permitted use of hormone injections and pesticides. For UK farmers to compete in price this can only go one way, lower food and farming standards and lower wages to reduce production costs. Multiply that by free trade deals with the likes of India and China without the negotiating power of being in the EU, and this can only go one way. Brexit was the Trojan Horse to allow the very rich and powerful 0.1% to start the process of diluting and reducing employment/workers rights and human rights. Nobody is saying the EU was perfect, far from it, but Brexit (as it stands and has been “designed” is a con). Nobody's employee rights or working rights have changed or have been watered down at this moment in time. There is also nothing in the pipe line at present either. As an employer I check these things, check the acas website if you wish to dispute this but telling people there rights have changed or are going too is simply false. Of course they have not changed yet! Funny how pro-Brexit people talk about long term plans and 10yr+ windows. It is coming. The people who were driving Brexit want to create Singapore-on-Thames." Do they?, i voted remain as I stated so I wouldn't know if that's what they want or not. If that's what you believe will happen with rights then fair enough but I personally don't and it certainly isn't happening at this moment in time. | |||
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"@_eanocool there is a lot of info out there but a starting point is to look into Dominic Raab and his views. Then note the job he has. Pure economics also dictate that if this Govt are going to cut deals like the one with NZ or the one with Australia (when they are formalised) that quite frankly should have been totally in favour of the UK as the larger/richer market, then for our own industries to compete on price will require a reduction in production costs. How can that be achieved? That protection from countries with less regulation and cheaper cost base is the very reason for imposing tariffs!" I know what Dominic raab has said in the past, and maybe that is what he wants, but I don't believe it will happen, there would be too much backlash if the government went for it, I suspect enough for a u turn if they did try. I can assure you I know very well how tariffs work and how they effect business etc, as a company that has a global reach we deal with these issues on a daily basis, you seem to assume that we will need to drop our prices to compete but if our product is of a superior quality and is recognised as such im the market place then why would we need to drop prices?, my own companies product is good example of this, we are not the cheapest at all but we have a good reputation for quality and reliability and innovation that has been built up over time to allow us to sell our products at a higher price than our competitors and more than compete with them. | |||
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"Oh dear. And I thought Brexit was gonna benefit the country. Should I wave my flag extra hard? Will that help? PS this is based on an analysis of official governmnt figures by academics at the University of Sussex UK Trade Policy Observatory. You just have to believe and all the Brexit promises will come true I guess I just need to hold my breath and believe really, really hard god i really wish you would,your starting to sound as whinny as those who wanted brexit for 15-20 years
You didn’t vote for Brexit, your not bothered about Brexit yet you get annoyed when people complain how shit Brexit is? Interesting just pointing out you are moaning about brexit as much as those who moaned about being in the e.u. U have more in common with them than you think and like i have told you before i can comment on whatever thread i want to,why you find that intresting i have no idea,but hey whatever floats your boat sweetheart
So your moaning about people who you think are moaning? Interesting "ah i wonderd how long it would take for you to comment on one of my posts lol.really mate im starting to think your stalking me,sorry to burst your bubble but your really not my type,not toned and slim enough for me xx | |||
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"Oh dear. And I thought Brexit was gonna benefit the country. Should I wave my flag extra hard? Will that help? PS this is based on an analysis of official governmnt figures by academics at the University of Sussex UK Trade Policy Observatory. You just have to believe and all the Brexit promises will come true I guess I just need to hold my breath and believe really, really hard god i really wish you would,your starting to sound as whinny as those who wanted brexit for 15-20 years
You didn’t vote for Brexit, your not bothered about Brexit yet you get annoyed when people complain how shit Brexit is? Interesting just pointing out you are moaning about brexit as much as those who moaned about being in the e.u. U have more in common with them than you think and like i have told you before i can comment on whatever thread i want to,why you find that intresting i have no idea,but hey whatever floats your boat sweetheart
So your moaning about people who you think are moaning? Interesting ah i wonderd how long it would take for you to comment on one of my posts lol.really mate im starting to think your stalking me,sorry to burst your bubble but your really not my type,not toned and slim enough for me xx"Slightly odd reply, I am just ‘pointing out’ that your moaning about people you think are moaning  | |||
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"I will also add the reason I believe the government is cutting deals with Australia and NZ that are not massively in our favour is because this is all part of the push to join the cptpp which is the ultimate goal for them. Why would be ‘allowed’ to join the CPTPP? We Why would we not? As far as I am aware there has been no signals from any of the current members to indicate we are not welcome to join and its certainly no secret that the uk would like to join." Why would they want us to join if we keep signing deals in favour of the member states of the CPTPP? Surely they would want to keep those deals? | |||
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"I will also add the reason I believe the government is cutting deals with Australia and NZ that are not massively in our favour is because this is all part of the push to join the cptpp which is the ultimate goal for them. Why would be ‘allowed’ to join the CPTPP? We Why would we not? As far as I am aware there has been no signals from any of the current members to indicate we are not welcome to join and its certainly no secret that the uk would like to join. Why would they want us to join if we keep signing deals in favour of the member states of the CPTPP? Surely they would want to keep those deals? " The deals that are being done now are not the same as being a full member as I am sure you are aware, these current deals still include tariffs on both sides for instance that full membership would remove which I would guess in the long run is far more beneficial to all parties in the partnership than each individual member having side deals. Those countries in the partnership already had trade deals with each other before the partnership was formed, so it stands to reason it must be beneficial otherwise the cptpp would never have formed. | |||
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"I will also add the reason I believe the government is cutting deals with Australia and NZ that are not massively in our favour is because this is all part of the push to join the cptpp which is the ultimate goal for them. Why would be ‘allowed’ to join the CPTPP? We Why would we not? As far as I am aware there has been no signals from any of the current members to indicate we are not welcome to join and its certainly no secret that the uk would like to join. Why would they want us to join if we keep signing deals in favour of the member states of the CPTPP? Surely they would want to keep those deals? The deals that are being done now are not the same as being a full member as I am sure you are aware, these current deals still include tariffs on both sides for instance that full membership would remove which I would guess in the long run is far more beneficial to all parties in the partnership than each individual member having side deals. Those countries in the partnership already had trade deals with each other before the partnership was formed, so it stands to reason it must be beneficial otherwise the cptpp would never have formed." That is my point, the deals aren’t the same, it’s a dangerous game we are playing, sign crap deals and hope we become a member of a club half way across the world | |||
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"I will also add the reason I believe the government is cutting deals with Australia and NZ that are not massively in our favour is because this is all part of the push to join the cptpp which is the ultimate goal for them. Why would be ‘allowed’ to join the CPTPP? We Why would we not? As far as I am aware there has been no signals from any of the current members to indicate we are not welcome to join and its certainly no secret that the uk would like to join. Why would they want us to join if we keep signing deals in favour of the member states of the CPTPP? Surely they would want to keep those deals? The deals that are being done now are not the same as being a full member as I am sure you are aware, these current deals still include tariffs on both sides for instance that full membership would remove which I would guess in the long run is far more beneficial to all parties in the partnership than each individual member having side deals. Those countries in the partnership already had trade deals with each other before the partnership was formed, so it stands to reason it must be beneficial otherwise the cptpp would never have formed. That is my point, the deals aren’t the same, it’s a dangerous game we are playing, sign crap deals and hope we become a member of a club half way across the world " Its the same game thats played in trade all across the world in business evey day, speculate to accumulate as they say, which is what this is, and deals that have been done although not massively beneficial to us are also not massively detrimental to us either if we don't become a member and the overall gain in the long term is what is at stake. Its how business is done mate. | |||
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"I will also add the reason I believe the government is cutting deals with Australia and NZ that are not massively in our favour is because this is all part of the push to join the cptpp which is the ultimate goal for them. Why would be ‘allowed’ to join the CPTPP? We Why would we not? As far as I am aware there has been no signals from any of the current members to indicate we are not welcome to join and its certainly no secret that the uk would like to join. Why would they want us to join if we keep signing deals in favour of the member states of the CPTPP? Surely they would want to keep those deals? The deals that are being done now are not the same as being a full member as I am sure you are aware, these current deals still include tariffs on both sides for instance that full membership would remove which I would guess in the long run is far more beneficial to all parties in the partnership than each individual member having side deals. Those countries in the partnership already had trade deals with each other before the partnership was formed, so it stands to reason it must be beneficial otherwise the cptpp would never have formed. That is my point, the deals aren’t the same, it’s a dangerous game we are playing, sign crap deals and hope we become a member of a club half way across the world Its the same game thats played in trade all across the world in business evey day, speculate to accumulate as they say, which is what this is, and deals that have been done although not massively beneficial to us are also not massively detrimental to us either if we don't become a member and the overall gain in the long term is what is at stake. Its how business is done mate." We have left the EU to sign crap deals with countries half way across the world because we are hoping to join a trading block with countries half way across the world, desperate times  | |||
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"@_eanocool there is a lot of info out there but a starting point is to look into Dominic Raab and his views. Then note the job he has. Pure economics also dictate that if this Govt are going to cut deals like the one with NZ or the one with Australia (when they are formalised) that quite frankly should have been totally in favour of the UK as the larger/richer market, then for our own industries to compete on price will require a reduction in production costs. How can that be achieved? That protection from countries with less regulation and cheaper cost base is the very reason for imposing tariffs! I know what Dominic raab has said in the past, and maybe that is what he wants, but I don't believe it will happen, there would be too much backlash if the government went for it, I suspect enough for a u turn if they did try. I can assure you I know very well how tariffs work and how they effect business etc, as a company that has a global reach we deal with these issues on a daily basis, you seem to assume that we will need to drop our prices to compete but if our product is of a superior quality and is recognised as such im the market place then why would we need to drop prices?, my own companies product is good example of this, we are not the cheapest at all but we have a good reputation for quality and reliability and innovation that has been built up over time to allow us to sell our products at a higher price than our competitors and more than compete with them." I’m genuinely pleased that you are succeeding and will in no way knock that. What in theory would you do if others matched your quality and service but had 20% cheaper production costs. Where do go with that? You will know some products are just marketed as better but they are in truth they same as the cheaper option. The threat of cheaper imports which appear to be equal in quality is a real threat for many food producers. Cheap meat raised on growth hormones will be able to be sold into the ready meal market destroying U.K. producers who have higher costlier standards. I agree if you’re in the market for a rolls Royce you won’t buy a BMW. An Audi Q 8 is the same as Lamborghini Urus with a few cheaper bits added so the brand reputation keeps the Urus price high. But when you’re looking at a Nissan against a Hyundai or a meat pie in a blue box against a meat pie in a green box. Price will dictate the choice as the apparent quality is the same. The mass market, mass produced products are the losers with cheap unregulated alternatives. | |||
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"I will also add the reason I believe the government is cutting deals with Australia and NZ that are not massively in our favour is because this is all part of the push to join the cptpp which is the ultimate goal for them. Why would be ‘allowed’ to join the CPTPP? We Why would we not? As far as I am aware there has been no signals from any of the current members to indicate we are not welcome to join and its certainly no secret that the uk would like to join. Why would they want us to join if we keep signing deals in favour of the member states of the CPTPP? Surely they would want to keep those deals? The deals that are being done now are not the same as being a full member as I am sure you are aware, these current deals still include tariffs on both sides for instance that full membership would remove which I would guess in the long run is far more beneficial to all parties in the partnership than each individual member having side deals. Those countries in the partnership already had trade deals with each other before the partnership was formed, so it stands to reason it must be beneficial otherwise the cptpp would never have formed. That is my point, the deals aren’t the same, it’s a dangerous game we are playing, sign crap deals and hope we become a member of a club half way across the world Its the same game thats played in trade all across the world in business evey day, speculate to accumulate as they say, which is what this is, and deals that have been done although not massively beneficial to us are also not massively detrimental to us either if we don't become a member and the overall gain in the long term is what is at stake. Its how business is done mate. We have left the EU to sign crap deals with countries half way across the world because we are hoping to join a trading block with countries half way across the world, desperate times "Well thats your opinion, but as a businessman I see opportunities for my business to increase in what is a massively growing market and any deal that is done which reduces tariffs for my business trading with those countries is a good thing. I have stated on here before where my company is growing and where that growth is increasing and its in those countries not the EU I am afraid mate. | |||
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"I will also add the reason I believe the government is cutting deals with Australia and NZ that are not massively in our favour is because this is all part of the push to join the cptpp which is the ultimate goal for them. Why would be ‘allowed’ to join the CPTPP? We Why would we not? As far as I am aware there has been no signals from any of the current members to indicate we are not welcome to join and its certainly no secret that the uk would like to join. Why would they want us to join if we keep signing deals in favour of the member states of the CPTPP? Surely they would want to keep those deals? The deals that are being done now are not the same as being a full member as I am sure you are aware, these current deals still include tariffs on both sides for instance that full membership would remove which I would guess in the long run is far more beneficial to all parties in the partnership than each individual member having side deals. Those countries in the partnership already had trade deals with each other before the partnership was formed, so it stands to reason it must be beneficial otherwise the cptpp would never have formed. That is my point, the deals aren’t the same, it’s a dangerous game we are playing, sign crap deals and hope we become a member of a club half way across the world Its the same game thats played in trade all across the world in business evey day, speculate to accumulate as they say, which is what this is, and deals that have been done although not massively beneficial to us are also not massively detrimental to us either if we don't become a member and the overall gain in the long term is what is at stake. Its how business is done mate. We have left the EU to sign crap deals with countries half way across the world because we are hoping to join a trading block with countries half way across the world, desperate times
Well thats your opinion, but as a businessman I see opportunities for my business to increase in what is a massively growing market and any deal that is done which reduces tariffs for my business trading with those countries is a good thing. I have stated on here before where my company is growing and where that growth is increasing and its in those countries not the EU I am afraid mate."I am pleased for you and your business, can I ask, what is it that you provide /manufacture? | |||
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"I will also add the reason I believe the government is cutting deals with Australia and NZ that are not massively in our favour is because this is all part of the push to join the cptpp which is the ultimate goal for them. Why would be ‘allowed’ to join the CPTPP? We Why would we not? As far as I am aware there has been no signals from any of the current members to indicate we are not welcome to join and its certainly no secret that the uk would like to join. Why would they want us to join if we keep signing deals in favour of the member states of the CPTPP? Surely they would want to keep those deals? The deals that are being done now are not the same as being a full member as I am sure you are aware, these current deals still include tariffs on both sides for instance that full membership would remove which I would guess in the long run is far more beneficial to all parties in the partnership than each individual member having side deals. Those countries in the partnership already had trade deals with each other before the partnership was formed, so it stands to reason it must be beneficial otherwise the cptpp would never have formed. That is my point, the deals aren’t the same, it’s a dangerous game we are playing, sign crap deals and hope we become a member of a club half way across the world Its the same game thats played in trade all across the world in business evey day, speculate to accumulate as they say, which is what this is, and deals that have been done although not massively beneficial to us are also not massively detrimental to us either if we don't become a member and the overall gain in the long term is what is at stake. Its how business is done mate. We have left the EU to sign crap deals with countries half way across the world because we are hoping to join a trading block with countries half way across the world, desperate times
Well thats your opinion, but as a businessman I see opportunities for my business to increase in what is a massively growing market and any deal that is done which reduces tariffs for my business trading with those countries is a good thing. I have stated on here before where my company is growing and where that growth is increasing and its in those countries not the EU I am afraid mate.
I am pleased for you and your business, can I ask, what is it that you provide /manufacture? "We make bearings and sealing solutions, we also make bespoke cast housings, we supply all over the world to automotive, marine,mining, military, food production and farming sectors, we have even done some stuff for nasa a few years back. | |||
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"I will also add the reason I believe the government is cutting deals with Australia and NZ that are not massively in our favour is because this is all part of the push to join the cptpp which is the ultimate goal for them. Why would be ‘allowed’ to join the CPTPP? We Why would we not? As far as I am aware there has been no signals from any of the current members to indicate we are not welcome to join and its certainly no secret that the uk would like to join. Why would they want us to join if we keep signing deals in favour of the member states of the CPTPP? Surely they would want to keep those deals? The deals that are being done now are not the same as being a full member as I am sure you are aware, these current deals still include tariffs on both sides for instance that full membership would remove which I would guess in the long run is far more beneficial to all parties in the partnership than each individual member having side deals. Those countries in the partnership already had trade deals with each other before the partnership was formed, so it stands to reason it must be beneficial otherwise the cptpp would never have formed. That is my point, the deals aren’t the same, it’s a dangerous game we are playing, sign crap deals and hope we become a member of a club half way across the world Its the same game thats played in trade all across the world in business evey day, speculate to accumulate as they say, which is what this is, and deals that have been done although not massively beneficial to us are also not massively detrimental to us either if we don't become a member and the overall gain in the long term is what is at stake. Its how business is done mate. We have left the EU to sign crap deals with countries half way across the world because we are hoping to join a trading block with countries half way across the world, desperate times
Well thats your opinion, but as a businessman I see opportunities for my business to increase in what is a massively growing market and any deal that is done which reduces tariffs for my business trading with those countries is a good thing. I have stated on here before where my company is growing and where that growth is increasing and its in those countries not the EU I am afraid mate.
I am pleased for you and your business, can I ask, what is it that you provide /manufacture?
We make bearings and sealing solutions, we also make bespoke cast housings, we supply all over the world to automotive, marine,mining, military, food production and farming sectors, we have even done some stuff for nasa a few years back."Sounds like a good business, unfortunately as the OP states, Brexit has been bad for trade for most businesses | |||
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"I will also add the reason I believe the government is cutting deals with Australia and NZ that are not massively in our favour is because this is all part of the push to join the cptpp which is the ultimate goal for them. Why would be ‘allowed’ to join the CPTPP? We Why would we not? As far as I am aware there has been no signals from any of the current members to indicate we are not welcome to join and its certainly no secret that the uk would like to join. Why would they want us to join if we keep signing deals in favour of the member states of the CPTPP? Surely they would want to keep those deals? The deals that are being done now are not the same as being a full member as I am sure you are aware, these current deals still include tariffs on both sides for instance that full membership would remove which I would guess in the long run is far more beneficial to all parties in the partnership than each individual member having side deals. Those countries in the partnership already had trade deals with each other before the partnership was formed, so it stands to reason it must be beneficial otherwise the cptpp would never have formed. That is my point, the deals aren’t the same, it’s a dangerous game we are playing, sign crap deals and hope we become a member of a club half way across the world Its the same game thats played in trade all across the world in business evey day, speculate to accumulate as they say, which is what this is, and deals that have been done although not massively beneficial to us are also not massively detrimental to us either if we don't become a member and the overall gain in the long term is what is at stake. Its how business is done mate. We have left the EU to sign crap deals with countries half way across the world because we are hoping to join a trading block with countries half way across the world, desperate times
Well thats your opinion, but as a businessman I see opportunities for my business to increase in what is a massively growing market and any deal that is done which reduces tariffs for my business trading with those countries is a good thing. I have stated on here before where my company is growing and where that growth is increasing and its in those countries not the EU I am afraid mate.
I am pleased for you and your business, can I ask, what is it that you provide /manufacture?
We make bearings and sealing solutions, we also make bespoke cast housings, we supply all over the world to automotive, marine,mining, military, food production and farming sectors, we have even done some stuff for nasa a few years back."Sounds like a good business . If you expand a lot in the far east would you switch manufacturing there to shorten lead times and reduce costs? | |||
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"I will also add the reason I believe the government is cutting deals with Australia and NZ that are not massively in our favour is because this is all part of the push to join the cptpp which is the ultimate goal for them. Why would be ‘allowed’ to join the CPTPP? We Why would we not? As far as I am aware there has been no signals from any of the current members to indicate we are not welcome to join and its certainly no secret that the uk would like to join. Why would they want us to join if we keep signing deals in favour of the member states of the CPTPP? Surely they would want to keep those deals? The deals that are being done now are not the same as being a full member as I am sure you are aware, these current deals still include tariffs on both sides for instance that full membership would remove which I would guess in the long run is far more beneficial to all parties in the partnership than each individual member having side deals. Those countries in the partnership already had trade deals with each other before the partnership was formed, so it stands to reason it must be beneficial otherwise the cptpp would never have formed. That is my point, the deals aren’t the same, it’s a dangerous game we are playing, sign crap deals and hope we become a member of a club half way across the world Its the same game thats played in trade all across the world in business evey day, speculate to accumulate as they say, which is what this is, and deals that have been done although not massively beneficial to us are also not massively detrimental to us either if we don't become a member and the overall gain in the long term is what is at stake. Its how business is done mate. We have left the EU to sign crap deals with countries half way across the world because we are hoping to join a trading block with countries half way across the world, desperate times
Well thats your opinion, but as a businessman I see opportunities for my business to increase in what is a massively growing market and any deal that is done which reduces tariffs for my business trading with those countries is a good thing. I have stated on here before where my company is growing and where that growth is increasing and its in those countries not the EU I am afraid mate.
I am pleased for you and your business, can I ask, what is it that you provide /manufacture?
We make bearings and sealing solutions, we also make bespoke cast housings, we supply all over the world to automotive, marine,mining, military, food production and farming sectors, we have even done some stuff for nasa a few years back.
Sounds like a good business . If you expand a lot in the far east would you switch manufacturing there to shorten lead times and reduce costs? "I guess that is possible in the future, but I cant imagine us shifting all production out there. We have been where we are for over a hundred yrs, we have our own foundry so are some what self sufficient for some of our product which helps with costs and enables us to be very adaptive to meet customer requests. We have a good, pretty much local well skilled and time served workforce that are loyal and really makes the business what it is today. | |||
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"The other issue i have with moving production from in house is we have in the past tried to use other companies to produce some components for us when we have been stretched and we always seem to have quality issues when components arrive which has often led to remedial work being carried out by ourselves so we can use the product to meet the deadline, which in turn then wipes out any cost saving. As I said our quality is our name so any cost saving cannot come at the jeopardy at that." Are your components bespoke, small batches etc | |||
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"I'm from Scotland and voted remain but I'd change my vote if I could tbh. Brexit is shit but there's no plans for a western global economy other than cheap labour sweatshops and injecting more cultural unrest into Europe so multinational corporations can cash in on the desperation. The EU will last another 20 years tops before it bursts into flames. Better off out before it blows. That is an interesting take but I don’t agree. We are already seeing the need for the lowering of standards in the UK if we are to compete with cheap oversees products and labour markets. The NZ trade deal demonstrates that UK farmers will not be able to compete on price. Why? Cheaper production costs in NZ with lower wages, more intensive farming (hugely larger farms and volume of livestock), and permitted use of hormone injections and pesticides. For UK farmers to compete in price this can only go one way, lower food and farming standards and lower wages to reduce production costs. Multiply that by free trade deals with the likes of India and China without the negotiating power of being in the EU, and this can only go one way. Brexit was the Trojan Horse to allow the very rich and powerful 0.1% to start the process of diluting and reducing employment/workers rights and human rights. Nobody is saying the EU was perfect, far from it, but Brexit (as it stands and has been “designed” is a con). " Each to their own I guess. I fear we're beyond the laws of supply and demand though, the EU has destroyed traditional European values and identity through mass economic migration. The foundations are gone so there is nothing left to hold it together long term. Hungary, Poland and Greece already looking for the nearest exit. | |||
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"I'm from Scotland and voted remain but I'd change my vote if I could tbh. Brexit is shit but there's no plans for a western global economy other than cheap labour sweatshops and injecting more cultural unrest into Europe so multinational corporations can cash in on the desperation. The EU will last another 20 years tops before it bursts into flames. Better off out before it blows. That is an interesting take but I don’t agree. We are already seeing the need for the lowering of standards in the UK if we are to compete with cheap oversees products and labour markets. The NZ trade deal demonstrates that UK farmers will not be able to compete on price. Why? Cheaper production costs in NZ with lower wages, more intensive farming (hugely larger farms and volume of livestock), and permitted use of hormone injections and pesticides. For UK farmers to compete in price this can only go one way, lower food and farming standards and lower wages to reduce production costs. Multiply that by free trade deals with the likes of India and China without the negotiating power of being in the EU, and this can only go one way. Brexit was the Trojan Horse to allow the very rich and powerful 0.1% to start the process of diluting and reducing employment/workers rights and human rights. Nobody is saying the EU was perfect, far from it, but Brexit (as it stands and has been “designed” is a con). Each to their own I guess. I fear we're beyond the laws of supply and demand though, the EU has destroyed traditional European values and identity through mass economic migration. The foundations are gone so there is nothing left to hold it together long term. Hungary, Poland and Greece already looking for the nearest exit." No they aren’t, | |||
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"I'm from Scotland and voted remain but I'd change my vote if I could tbh. Brexit is shit but there's no plans for a western global economy other than cheap labour sweatshops and injecting more cultural unrest into Europe so multinational corporations can cash in on the desperation. The EU will last another 20 years tops before it bursts into flames. Better off out before it blows. That is an interesting take but I don’t agree. We are already seeing the need for the lowering of standards in the UK if we are to compete with cheap oversees products and labour markets. The NZ trade deal demonstrates that UK farmers will not be able to compete on price. Why? Cheaper production costs in NZ with lower wages, more intensive farming (hugely larger farms and volume of livestock), and permitted use of hormone injections and pesticides. For UK farmers to compete in price this can only go one way, lower food and farming standards and lower wages to reduce production costs. Multiply that by free trade deals with the likes of India and China without the negotiating power of being in the EU, and this can only go one way. Brexit was the Trojan Horse to allow the very rich and powerful 0.1% to start the process of diluting and reducing employment/workers rights and human rights. Nobody is saying the EU was perfect, far from it, but Brexit (as it stands and has been “designed” is a con). Each to their own I guess. I fear we're beyond the laws of supply and demand though, the EU has destroyed traditional European values and identity through mass economic migration. The foundations are gone so there is nothing left to hold it together long term. Hungary, Poland and Greece already looking for the nearest exit." That's not correct | |||
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"The other issue i have with moving production from in house is we have in the past tried to use other companies to produce some components for us when we have been stretched and we always seem to have quality issues when components arrive which has often led to remedial work being carried out by ourselves so we can use the product to meet the deadline, which in turn then wipes out any cost saving. As I said our quality is our name so any cost saving cannot come at the jeopardy at that. Are your components bespoke, small batches etc " Some are mate, we do what we call a standard range which covers most common uses across the different business sectors i mentioned earlier, these tend to be larger batch sizes, but we also have a made to order section which tends to deal with smaller batch but very bespoke components, sometimes designed from scratch to meet the individual requirements of the application in conjunction with the customer. | |||
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"The other issue i have with moving production from in house is we have in the past tried to use other companies to produce some components for us when we have been stretched and we always seem to have quality issues when components arrive which has often led to remedial work being carried out by ourselves so we can use the product to meet the deadline, which in turn then wipes out any cost saving. As I said our quality is our name so any cost saving cannot come at the jeopardy at that. Are your components bespoke, small batches etc Some are mate, we do what we call a standard range which covers most common uses across the different business sectors i mentioned earlier, these tend to be larger batch sizes, but we also have a made to order section which tends to deal with smaller batch but very bespoke components, sometimes designed from scratch to meet the individual requirements of the application in conjunction with the customer." Sounds good, | |||
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"The other issue i have with moving production from in house is we have in the past tried to use other companies to produce some components for us when we have been stretched and we always seem to have quality issues when components arrive which has often led to remedial work being carried out by ourselves so we can use the product to meet the deadline, which in turn then wipes out any cost saving. As I said our quality is our name so any cost saving cannot come at the jeopardy at that." I am agreeing with everything you say but ultimately price will dictate a purchase if the gap is too big. Years ago we used to export gear rings for trucks . The top truck at the time was Scania and their spec was heavily over engineered. The spec for the DAFs was half the spec.. 10 years later the specs were the same as the Scania trucks were losing market share due to their pricing. It’s not just about what you can sell it for it’s what your customer can sell their product for too. I do wish you all the very best though. | |||
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"I'm from Scotland and voted remain but I'd change my vote if I could tbh. Brexit is shit but there's no plans for a western global economy other than cheap labour sweatshops and injecting more cultural unrest into Europe so multinational corporations can cash in on the desperation. The EU will last another 20 years tops before it bursts into flames. Better off out before it blows. That is an interesting take but I don’t agree. We are already seeing the need for the lowering of standards in the UK if we are to compete with cheap oversees products and labour markets. The NZ trade deal demonstrates that UK farmers will not be able to compete on price. Why? Cheaper production costs in NZ with lower wages, more intensive farming (hugely larger farms and volume of livestock), and permitted use of hormone injections and pesticides. For UK farmers to compete in price this can only go one way, lower food and farming standards and lower wages to reduce production costs. Multiply that by free trade deals with the likes of India and China without the negotiating power of being in the EU, and this can only go one way. Brexit was the Trojan Horse to allow the very rich and powerful 0.1% to start the process of diluting and reducing employment/workers rights and human rights. Nobody is saying the EU was perfect, far from it, but Brexit (as it stands and has been “designed” is a con). Each to their own I guess. I fear we're beyond the laws of supply and demand though, the EU has destroyed traditional European values and identity through mass economic migration. The foundations are gone so there is nothing left to hold it together long term. Hungary, Poland and Greece already looking for the nearest exit. No they aren’t, "Yes they are, they don't want freedom of movement because it's rife for economic abuse and they're extremely culturally conservative countires. Greece has already started building migrant camps. It's not sustainable. | |||
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"Oh dear. And I thought Brexit was gonna benefit the country. Should I wave my flag extra hard? Will that help? PS this is based on an analysis of official governmnt figures by academics at the University of Sussex UK Trade Policy Observatory." Analysis of official government figures, I would expect government figures are are load of tosh then as they seem make things up as they go along these days. | |||
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"The other issue i have with moving production from in house is we have in the past tried to use other companies to produce some components for us when we have been stretched and we always seem to have quality issues when components arrive which has often led to remedial work being carried out by ourselves so we can use the product to meet the deadline, which in turn then wipes out any cost saving. As I said our quality is our name so any cost saving cannot come at the jeopardy at that. I am agreeing with everything you say but ultimately price will dictate a purchase if the gap is too big. Years ago we used to export gear rings for trucks . The top truck at the time was Scania and their spec was heavily over engineered. The spec for the DAFs was half the spec.. 10 years later the specs were the same as the Scania trucks were losing market share due to their pricing. It’s not just about what you can sell it for it’s what your customer can sell their product for too. I do wish you all the very best though. " Yeah I know what you are saying mate, our original design of the split bearing which was bespoke to us, it was patented at one piont, is now widely copied and available from many other manufacturers, although from the in house testing we routinely carry out they are still not able to match us on quality or reliability, but they did eat into our market share. Equally though we have not sat on our laurels and have been busy creating a new split tapered design which we recently have put onto the market to try and keep us one step ahead of the competition, and so far so good because nobody can match our current load ratings. | |||
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"I'm from Scotland and voted remain but I'd change my vote if I could tbh. Brexit is shit but there's no plans for a western global economy other than cheap labour sweatshops and injecting more cultural unrest into Europe so multinational corporations can cash in on the desperation. The EU will last another 20 years tops before it bursts into flames. Better off out before it blows. That is an interesting take but I don’t agree. We are already seeing the need for the lowering of standards in the UK if we are to compete with cheap oversees products and labour markets. The NZ trade deal demonstrates that UK farmers will not be able to compete on price. Why? Cheaper production costs in NZ with lower wages, more intensive farming (hugely larger farms and volume of livestock), and permitted use of hormone injections and pesticides. For UK farmers to compete in price this can only go one way, lower food and farming standards and lower wages to reduce production costs. Multiply that by free trade deals with the likes of India and China without the negotiating power of being in the EU, and this can only go one way. Brexit was the Trojan Horse to allow the very rich and powerful 0.1% to start the process of diluting and reducing employment/workers rights and human rights. Nobody is saying the EU was perfect, far from it, but Brexit (as it stands and has been “designed” is a con). Each to their own I guess. I fear we're beyond the laws of supply and demand though, the EU has destroyed traditional European values and identity through mass economic migration. The foundations are gone so there is nothing left to hold it together long term. Hungary, Poland and Greece already looking for the nearest exit. No they aren’t,
Yes they are, they don't want freedom of movement because it's rife for economic abuse and they're extremely culturally conservative countires. Greece has already started building migrant camps. It's not sustainable."Neither Hungary, Poland or Greece have said they want to leave. Actually to be fair a neo-nazi party in Greece has. | |||
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"I'm from Scotland and voted remain but I'd change my vote if I could tbh. Brexit is shit but there's no plans for a western global economy other than cheap labour sweatshops and injecting more cultural unrest into Europe so multinational corporations can cash in on the desperation. The EU will last another 20 years tops before it bursts into flames. Better off out before it blows. That is an interesting take but I don’t agree. We are already seeing the need for the lowering of standards in the UK if we are to compete with cheap oversees products and labour markets. The NZ trade deal demonstrates that UK farmers will not be able to compete on price. Why? Cheaper production costs in NZ with lower wages, more intensive farming (hugely larger farms and volume of livestock), and permitted use of hormone injections and pesticides. For UK farmers to compete in price this can only go one way, lower food and farming standards and lower wages to reduce production costs. Multiply that by free trade deals with the likes of India and China without the negotiating power of being in the EU, and this can only go one way. Brexit was the Trojan Horse to allow the very rich and powerful 0.1% to start the process of diluting and reducing employment/workers rights and human rights. Nobody is saying the EU was perfect, far from it, but Brexit (as it stands and has been “designed” is a con). Each to their own I guess. I fear we're beyond the laws of supply and demand though, the EU has destroyed traditional European values and identity through mass economic migration. The foundations are gone so there is nothing left to hold it together long term. Hungary, Poland and Greece already looking for the nearest exit. No they aren’t,
Yes they are, they don't want freedom of movement because it's rife for economic abuse and they're extremely culturally conservative countires. Greece has already started building migrant camps. It's not sustainable.
Neither Hungary, Poland or Greece have said they want to leave.
Actually to be fair a neo-nazi party in Greece has."Not yet but they are heading that way. Britain never outright said it wanted to leave. David Cameron passed the go ahead for the referendum to take place because it was a dead cert to be a remain winning vote. The domestic working class felt otherwise. Italy and Greece will always lean towards fascism. It's greco-latin in origin. Clocks ticking on those two. | |||
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"I'm from Scotland and voted remain but I'd change my vote if I could tbh. Brexit is shit but there's no plans for a western global economy other than cheap labour sweatshops and injecting more cultural unrest into Europe so multinational corporations can cash in on the desperation. The EU will last another 20 years tops before it bursts into flames. Better off out before it blows. That is an interesting take but I don’t agree. We are already seeing the need for the lowering of standards in the UK if we are to compete with cheap oversees products and labour markets. The NZ trade deal demonstrates that UK farmers will not be able to compete on price. Why? Cheaper production costs in NZ with lower wages, more intensive farming (hugely larger farms and volume of livestock), and permitted use of hormone injections and pesticides. For UK farmers to compete in price this can only go one way, lower food and farming standards and lower wages to reduce production costs. Multiply that by free trade deals with the likes of India and China without the negotiating power of being in the EU, and this can only go one way. Brexit was the Trojan Horse to allow the very rich and powerful 0.1% to start the process of diluting and reducing employment/workers rights and human rights. Nobody is saying the EU was perfect, far from it, but Brexit (as it stands and has been “designed” is a con). Each to their own I guess. I fear we're beyond the laws of supply and demand though, the EU has destroyed traditional European values and identity through mass economic migration. The foundations are gone so there is nothing left to hold it together long term. Hungary, Poland and Greece already looking for the nearest exit. No they aren’t,
Yes they are, they don't want freedom of movement because it's rife for economic abuse and they're extremely culturally conservative countires. Greece has already started building migrant camps. It's not sustainable.
Neither Hungary, Poland or Greece have said they want to leave.
Actually to be fair a neo-nazi party in Greece has.
Not yet but they are heading that way. Britain never outright said it wanted to leave. David Cameron passed the go ahead for the referendum to take place because it was a dead cert to be a remain winning vote. The domestic working class felt otherwise.
Italy and Greece will always lean towards fascism. It's greco-latin in origin. Clocks ticking on those two.
"So how exactly is this related to the collapse in trade with the EU? What brexit benefits (tangible) does it bring? | |||
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"I'm from Scotland and voted remain but I'd change my vote if I could tbh. Brexit is shit but there's no plans for a western global economy other than cheap labour sweatshops and injecting more cultural unrest into Europe so multinational corporations can cash in on the desperation. The EU will last another 20 years tops before it bursts into flames. Better off out before it blows. That is an interesting take but I don’t agree. We are already seeing the need for the lowering of standards in the UK if we are to compete with cheap oversees products and labour markets. The NZ trade deal demonstrates that UK farmers will not be able to compete on price. Why? Cheaper production costs in NZ with lower wages, more intensive farming (hugely larger farms and volume of livestock), and permitted use of hormone injections and pesticides. For UK farmers to compete in price this can only go one way, lower food and farming standards and lower wages to reduce production costs. Multiply that by free trade deals with the likes of India and China without the negotiating power of being in the EU, and this can only go one way. Brexit was the Trojan Horse to allow the very rich and powerful 0.1% to start the process of diluting and reducing employment/workers rights and human rights. Nobody is saying the EU was perfect, far from it, but Brexit (as it stands and has been “designed” is a con). Each to their own I guess. I fear we're beyond the laws of supply and demand though, the EU has destroyed traditional European values and identity through mass economic migration. The foundations are gone so there is nothing left to hold it together long term. Hungary, Poland and Greece already looking for the nearest exit. No they aren’t,
Yes they are, they don't want freedom of movement because it's rife for economic abuse and they're extremely culturally conservative countires. Greece has already started building migrant camps. It's not sustainable.
Neither Hungary, Poland or Greece have said they want to leave.
Actually to be fair a neo-nazi party in Greece has.
Not yet but they are heading that way. Britain never outright said it wanted to leave. David Cameron passed the go ahead for the referendum to take place because it was a dead cert to be a remain winning vote. The domestic working class felt otherwise.
Italy and Greece will always lean towards fascism. It's greco-latin in origin. Clocks ticking on those two.
"Most European countries teach kids about the EU in school. So their populations understand what it is, and how it works. Knowledge and understanding like that equips people to deal with propaganda. The main reason it was so easy to fool people into voting leave here was that they could blame the EU for everything that was wrong in their lives, and they could brush off all the information about the actual impact of brexit as "project fear". That won't be as easy elsewhere. Plus they can just look at the utter carnage caused to the economy by brexit, twice as bad as the pandemic, and think "hmmmm maybe not". As mentioned above, some fringe far right groups are pushing for other countries to leave. But it's very unlikely to get any traction. | |||
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"I'm from Scotland and voted remain but I'd change my vote if I could tbh. Brexit is shit but there's no plans for a western global economy other than cheap labour sweatshops and injecting more cultural unrest into Europe so multinational corporations can cash in on the desperation. The EU will last another 20 years tops before it bursts into flames. Better off out before it blows. That is an interesting take but I don’t agree. We are already seeing the need for the lowering of standards in the UK if we are to compete with cheap oversees products and labour markets. The NZ trade deal demonstrates that UK farmers will not be able to compete on price. Why? Cheaper production costs in NZ with lower wages, more intensive farming (hugely larger farms and volume of livestock), and permitted use of hormone injections and pesticides. For UK farmers to compete in price this can only go one way, lower food and farming standards and lower wages to reduce production costs. Multiply that by free trade deals with the likes of India and China without the negotiating power of being in the EU, and this can only go one way. Brexit was the Trojan Horse to allow the very rich and powerful 0.1% to start the process of diluting and reducing employment/workers rights and human rights. Nobody is saying the EU was perfect, far from it, but Brexit (as it stands and has been “designed” is a con). Each to their own I guess. I fear we're beyond the laws of supply and demand though, the EU has destroyed traditional European values and identity through mass economic migration. The foundations are gone so there is nothing left to hold it together long term. Hungary, Poland and Greece already looking for the nearest exit. No they aren’t,
Yes they are, they don't want freedom of movement because it's rife for economic abuse and they're extremely culturally conservative countires. Greece has already started building migrant camps. It's not sustainable.
Neither Hungary, Poland or Greece have said they want to leave.
Actually to be fair a neo-nazi party in Greece has.
Not yet but they are heading that way. Britain never outright said it wanted to leave. David Cameron passed the go ahead for the referendum to take place because it was a dead cert to be a remain winning vote. The domestic working class felt otherwise.
Italy and Greece will always lean towards fascism. It's greco-latin in origin. Clocks ticking on those two.
So how exactly is this related to the collapse in trade with the EU?
What brexit benefits (tangible) does it bring?"Because there is no long term sustainability of the EU for those reasons. Even Germanys election polls have slowly shifted towards conservatism. Brexit has opened the door for other nations to question the narrative. For the average working person I don't believe much will change either way but the UK can't economically sustain anymore migration that much is obvious and that's why the leave vote passed. | |||
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"I'm from Scotland and voted remain but I'd change my vote if I could tbh. Brexit is shit but there's no plans for a western global economy other than cheap labour sweatshops and injecting more cultural unrest into Europe so multinational corporations can cash in on the desperation. The EU will last another 20 years tops before it bursts into flames. Better off out before it blows. That is an interesting take but I don’t agree. We are already seeing the need for the lowering of standards in the UK if we are to compete with cheap oversees products and labour markets. The NZ trade deal demonstrates that UK farmers will not be able to compete on price. Why? Cheaper production costs in NZ with lower wages, more intensive farming (hugely larger farms and volume of livestock), and permitted use of hormone injections and pesticides. For UK farmers to compete in price this can only go one way, lower food and farming standards and lower wages to reduce production costs. Multiply that by free trade deals with the likes of India and China without the negotiating power of being in the EU, and this can only go one way. Brexit was the Trojan Horse to allow the very rich and powerful 0.1% to start the process of diluting and reducing employment/workers rights and human rights. Nobody is saying the EU was perfect, far from it, but Brexit (as it stands and has been “designed” is a con). Each to their own I guess. I fear we're beyond the laws of supply and demand though, the EU has destroyed traditional European values and identity through mass economic migration. The foundations are gone so there is nothing left to hold it together long term. Hungary, Poland and Greece already looking for the nearest exit. No they aren’t,
Yes they are, they don't want freedom of movement because it's rife for economic abuse and they're extremely culturally conservative countires. Greece has already started building migrant camps. It's not sustainable.
Neither Hungary, Poland or Greece have said they want to leave.
Actually to be fair a neo-nazi party in Greece has.
Not yet but they are heading that way. Britain never outright said it wanted to leave. David Cameron passed the go ahead for the referendum to take place because it was a dead cert to be a remain winning vote. The domestic working class felt otherwise.
Italy and Greece will always lean towards fascism. It's greco-latin in origin. Clocks ticking on those two.
Most European countries teach kids about the EU in school. So their populations understand what it is, and how it works.
Knowledge and understanding like that equips people to deal with propaganda. The main reason it was so easy to fool people into voting leave here was that they could blame the EU for everything that was wrong in their lives, and they could brush off all the information about the actual impact of brexit as "project fear".
That won't be as easy elsewhere.
Plus they can just look at the utter carnage caused to the economy by brexit, twice as bad as the pandemic, and think "hmmmm maybe not".
As mentioned above, some fringe far right groups are pushing for other countries to leave. But it's very unlikely to get any traction. "Propoganda goes both ways. I try to avoid the right/left dilema they're both equally toxic. At the end of the day eastern European countries are never going to alter their Christian state religious institutions. Islamic migrants won't integrate. It would make the troubles in Ireland look like a tea party. Not everything can be solved with money. Afghanistan proved that recently. | |||
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"I'm from Scotland and voted remain but I'd change my vote if I could tbh. Brexit is shit but there's no plans for a western global economy other than cheap labour sweatshops and injecting more cultural unrest into Europe so multinational corporations can cash in on the desperation. The EU will last another 20 years tops before it bursts into flames. Better off out before it blows. That is an interesting take but I don’t agree. We are already seeing the need for the lowering of standards in the UK if we are to compete with cheap oversees products and labour markets. The NZ trade deal demonstrates that UK farmers will not be able to compete on price. Why? Cheaper production costs in NZ with lower wages, more intensive farming (hugely larger farms and volume of livestock), and permitted use of hormone injections and pesticides. For UK farmers to compete in price this can only go one way, lower food and farming standards and lower wages to reduce production costs. Multiply that by free trade deals with the likes of India and China without the negotiating power of being in the EU, and this can only go one way. Brexit was the Trojan Horse to allow the very rich and powerful 0.1% to start the process of diluting and reducing employment/workers rights and human rights. Nobody is saying the EU was perfect, far from it, but Brexit (as it stands and has been “designed” is a con). Each to their own I guess. I fear we're beyond the laws of supply and demand though, the EU has destroyed traditional European values and identity through mass economic migration. The foundations are gone so there is nothing left to hold it together long term. Hungary, Poland and Greece already looking for the nearest exit. No they aren’t,
Yes they are, they don't want freedom of movement because it's rife for economic abuse and they're extremely culturally conservative countires. Greece has already started building migrant camps. It's not sustainable.
Neither Hungary, Poland or Greece have said they want to leave.
Actually to be fair a neo-nazi party in Greece has.
Not yet but they are heading that way. Britain never outright said it wanted to leave. David Cameron passed the go ahead for the referendum to take place because it was a dead cert to be a remain winning vote. The domestic working class felt otherwise.
Italy and Greece will always lean towards fascism. It's greco-latin in origin. Clocks ticking on those two.
So how exactly is this related to the collapse in trade with the EU?
What brexit benefits (tangible) does it bring?
Because there is no long term sustainability of the EU for those reasons. Even Germanys election polls have slowly shifted towards conservatism. Brexit has opened the door for other nations to question the narrative.
For the average working person I don't believe much will change either way but the UK can't economically sustain anymore migration that much is obvious and that's why the leave vote passed."there is no real evidence the EU is not sustainable in the long term (they probably said that about the US federal structure and the Swiss canton ststem The migration comment is very much inaccurate, the UK gets a net benefit from migrants, at worst, breaks even. This has been documented by the Migration Observatory. In my neck of the woods, most people are only a couple of generations from being from somewhere else. | |||
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"I'm from Scotland and voted remain but I'd change my vote if I could tbh. Brexit is shit but there's no plans for a western global economy other than cheap labour sweatshops and injecting more cultural unrest into Europe so multinational corporations can cash in on the desperation. The EU will last another 20 years tops before it bursts into flames. Better off out before it blows. That is an interesting take but I don’t agree. We are already seeing the need for the lowering of standards in the UK if we are to compete with cheap oversees products and labour markets. The NZ trade deal demonstrates that UK farmers will not be able to compete on price. Why? Cheaper production costs in NZ with lower wages, more intensive farming (hugely larger farms and volume of livestock), and permitted use of hormone injections and pesticides. For UK farmers to compete in price this can only go one way, lower food and farming standards and lower wages to reduce production costs. Multiply that by free trade deals with the likes of India and China without the negotiating power of being in the EU, and this can only go one way. Brexit was the Trojan Horse to allow the very rich and powerful 0.1% to start the process of diluting and reducing employment/workers rights and human rights. Nobody is saying the EU was perfect, far from it, but Brexit (as it stands and has been “designed” is a con). Each to their own I guess. I fear we're beyond the laws of supply and demand though, the EU has destroyed traditional European values and identity through mass economic migration. The foundations are gone so there is nothing left to hold it together long term. Hungary, Poland and Greece already looking for the nearest exit. No they aren’t,
Yes they are, they don't want freedom of movement because it's rife for economic abuse and they're extremely culturally conservative countires. Greece has already started building migrant camps. It's not sustainable.
Neither Hungary, Poland or Greece have said they want to leave.
Actually to be fair a neo-nazi party in Greece has.
Not yet but they are heading that way. Britain never outright said it wanted to leave. David Cameron passed the go ahead for the referendum to take place because it was a dead cert to be a remain winning vote. The domestic working class felt otherwise.
Italy and Greece will always lean towards fascism. It's greco-latin in origin. Clocks ticking on those two.
Most European countries teach kids about the EU in school. So their populations understand what it is, and how it works.
Knowledge and understanding like that equips people to deal with propaganda. The main reason it was so easy to fool people into voting leave here was that they could blame the EU for everything that was wrong in their lives, and they could brush off all the information about the actual impact of brexit as "project fear".
That won't be as easy elsewhere.
Plus they can just look at the utter carnage caused to the economy by brexit, twice as bad as the pandemic, and think "hmmmm maybe not".
As mentioned above, some fringe far right groups are pushing for other countries to leave. But it's very unlikely to get any traction.
Propoganda goes both ways. I try to avoid the right/left dilema they're both equally toxic.
At the end of the day eastern European countries are never going to alter their Christian state religious institutions. Islamic migrants won't integrate. It would make the troubles in Ireland look like a tea party. Not everything can be solved with money. Afghanistan proved that recently. "Migrants integrate just fine. All humans get on well, except bigots. And I don't think we're at the point that bigots outnumber ordinary people. In any case. Even if you are right, it's unlikely these countries will be able to blame the EU for all their woes like the British media and government did. | |||
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"I'm from Scotland and voted remain but I'd change my vote if I could tbh. Brexit is shit but there's no plans for a western global economy other than cheap labour sweatshops and injecting more cultural unrest into Europe so multinational corporations can cash in on the desperation. The EU will last another 20 years tops before it bursts into flames. Better off out before it blows. That is an interesting take but I don’t agree. We are already seeing the need for the lowering of standards in the UK if we are to compete with cheap oversees products and labour markets. The NZ trade deal demonstrates that UK farmers will not be able to compete on price. Why? Cheaper production costs in NZ with lower wages, more intensive farming (hugely larger farms and volume of livestock), and permitted use of hormone injections and pesticides. For UK farmers to compete in price this can only go one way, lower food and farming standards and lower wages to reduce production costs. Multiply that by free trade deals with the likes of India and China without the negotiating power of being in the EU, and this can only go one way. Brexit was the Trojan Horse to allow the very rich and powerful 0.1% to start the process of diluting and reducing employment/workers rights and human rights. Nobody is saying the EU was perfect, far from it, but Brexit (as it stands and has been “designed” is a con). Each to their own I guess. I fear we're beyond the laws of supply and demand though, the EU has destroyed traditional European values and identity through mass economic migration. The foundations are gone so there is nothing left to hold it together long term. Hungary, Poland and Greece already looking for the nearest exit. No they aren’t,
Yes they are, they don't want freedom of movement because it's rife for economic abuse and they're extremely culturally conservative countires. Greece has already started building migrant camps. It's not sustainable.
Neither Hungary, Poland or Greece have said they want to leave.
Actually to be fair a neo-nazi party in Greece has.
Not yet but they are heading that way. Britain never outright said it wanted to leave. David Cameron passed the go ahead for the referendum to take place because it was a dead cert to be a remain winning vote. The domestic working class felt otherwise.
Italy and Greece will always lean towards fascism. It's greco-latin in origin. Clocks ticking on those two.
So how exactly is this related to the collapse in trade with the EU?
What brexit benefits (tangible) does it bring?
Because there is no long term sustainability of the EU for those reasons. Even Germanys election polls have slowly shifted towards conservatism. Brexit has opened the door for other nations to question the narrative.
For the average working person I don't believe much will change either way but the UK can't economically sustain anymore migration that much is obvious and that's why the leave vote passed.
there is no real evidence the EU is not sustainable in the long term (they probably said that about the US federal structure and the Swiss canton ststem
The migration comment is very much inaccurate, the UK gets a net benefit from migrants, at worst, breaks even. This has been documented by the Migration Observatory.
In my neck of the woods, most people are only a couple of generations from being from somewhere else.
"Apart from the stabbings, bombings and rising crime rates and wealth inequality all across Europe... the lockdown crushed small business as a fine addition. I beg to differ. This has all steadily increased through immigration, research the stats pre Iraq war. The left abuse it to buy votes and pat themselves on the back. The right abuse it for cheap labour and divide and conquer power gains, it's a house of cards. What net benefits and to whom? Their countries have been bombed to oblivion and the survivors shipped here to work on zero hour contracts. The migration observatory doesn't measure quality of life or cultural barriers. Loyalists and republicans in Ireland are both Christian and genetically related in every way. They still want to annihilate one another. | |||
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"I'm from Scotland and voted remain but I'd change my vote if I could tbh. Brexit is shit but there's no plans for a western global economy other than cheap labour sweatshops and injecting more cultural unrest into Europe so multinational corporations can cash in on the desperation. The EU will last another 20 years tops before it bursts into flames. Better off out before it blows. That is an interesting take but I don’t agree. We are already seeing the need for the lowering of standards in the UK if we are to compete with cheap oversees products and labour markets. The NZ trade deal demonstrates that UK farmers will not be able to compete on price. Why? Cheaper production costs in NZ with lower wages, more intensive farming (hugely larger farms and volume of livestock), and permitted use of hormone injections and pesticides. For UK farmers to compete in price this can only go one way, lower food and farming standards and lower wages to reduce production costs. Multiply that by free trade deals with the likes of India and China without the negotiating power of being in the EU, and this can only go one way. Brexit was the Trojan Horse to allow the very rich and powerful 0.1% to start the process of diluting and reducing employment/workers rights and human rights. Nobody is saying the EU was perfect, far from it, but Brexit (as it stands and has been “designed” is a con). Each to their own I guess. I fear we're beyond the laws of supply and demand though, the EU has destroyed traditional European values and identity through mass economic migration. The foundations are gone so there is nothing left to hold it together long term. Hungary, Poland and Greece already looking for the nearest exit. No they aren’t,
Yes they are, they don't want freedom of movement because it's rife for economic abuse and they're extremely culturally conservative countires. Greece has already started building migrant camps. It's not sustainable.
Neither Hungary, Poland or Greece have said they want to leave.
Actually to be fair a neo-nazi party in Greece has.
Not yet but they are heading that way. Britain never outright said it wanted to leave. David Cameron passed the go ahead for the referendum to take place because it was a dead cert to be a remain winning vote. The domestic working class felt otherwise.
Italy and Greece will always lean towards fascism. It's greco-latin in origin. Clocks ticking on those two.
So how exactly is this related to the collapse in trade with the EU?
What brexit benefits (tangible) does it bring?
Because there is no long term sustainability of the EU for those reasons. Even Germanys election polls have slowly shifted towards conservatism. Brexit has opened the door for other nations to question the narrative.
For the average working person I don't believe much will change either way but the UK can't economically sustain anymore migration that much is obvious and that's why the leave vote passed.
there is no real evidence the EU is not sustainable in the long term (they probably said that about the US federal structure and the Swiss canton ststem
The migration comment is very much inaccurate, the UK gets a net benefit from migrants, at worst, breaks even. This has been documented by the Migration Observatory.
In my neck of the woods, most people are only a couple of generations from being from somewhere else.
Apart from the stabbings, bombings and rising crime rates and wealth inequality all across Europe... the lockdown crushed small business as a fine addition. I beg to differ. This has all steadily increased through immigration, research the stats pre Iraq war. The left abuse it to buy votes and pat themselves on the back. The right abuse it for cheap labour and divide and conquer power gains, it's a house of cards.
What net benefits and to whom? Their countries have been bombed to oblivion and the survivors shipped here to work on zero hour contracts. The migration observatory doesn't measure quality of life or cultural barriers.
Loyalists and republicans in Ireland are both Christian and genetically related in every way. They still want to annihilate one another.
"sorry, your response is all over the sjop, i will try and make sense of it. Apart from the stabbings, bombings and rising crime rates and wealth inequality all across Europe. - so non immigrants don't indulfe in those things? wow the lockdown crushed small business as a fine addition - what has that to do with migration? This has all steadily increased through immigration, research the stats pre Iraq war - not sure the point you are trying to make The left abuse it to buy votes and pat themselves on the back. - thats just daft The right abuse it for cheap labour and divide and conquer power gains, it's a house of cards. - erm, then vote against the right What net benefits and to whom? - the uk economy benefits Their countries have been bombed to oblivion and the survivors shipped here to work on zero hour contracts. - don't want them bombed, then vote accordingly, and yet to see someone shipped to the uk to do a zero hours job The migration observatory doesn't measure quality of life or cultural barriers. - yet what it does measure contradicts your stance Loyalists and republicans in Ireland are both Christian and genetically related in every way. They still want to annihilate one another. - what has this to do with migration 9post the 17th centuary)? | |||
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"I'm from Scotland and voted remain but I'd change my vote if I could tbh. Brexit is shit but there's no plans for a western global economy other than cheap labour sweatshops and injecting more cultural unrest into Europe so multinational corporations can cash in on the desperation. The EU will last another 20 years tops before it bursts into flames. Better off out before it blows. That is an interesting take but I don’t agree. We are already seeing the need for the lowering of standards in the UK if we are to compete with cheap oversees products and labour markets. The NZ trade deal demonstrates that UK farmers will not be able to compete on price. Why? Cheaper production costs in NZ with lower wages, more intensive farming (hugely larger farms and volume of livestock), and permitted use of hormone injections and pesticides. For UK farmers to compete in price this can only go one way, lower food and farming standards and lower wages to reduce production costs. Multiply that by free trade deals with the likes of India and China without the negotiating power of being in the EU, and this can only go one way. Brexit was the Trojan Horse to allow the very rich and powerful 0.1% to start the process of diluting and reducing employment/workers rights and human rights. Nobody is saying the EU was perfect, far from it, but Brexit (as it stands and has been “designed” is a con). Each to their own I guess. I fear we're beyond the laws of supply and demand though, the EU has destroyed traditional European values and identity through mass economic migration. The foundations are gone so there is nothing left to hold it together long term. Hungary, Poland and Greece already looking for the nearest exit. No they aren’t,
Yes they are, they don't want freedom of movement because it's rife for economic abuse and they're extremely culturally conservative countires. Greece has already started building migrant camps. It's not sustainable.
Neither Hungary, Poland or Greece have said they want to leave.
Actually to be fair a neo-nazi party in Greece has.
Not yet but they are heading that way. Britain never outright said it wanted to leave. David Cameron passed the go ahead for the referendum to take place because it was a dead cert to be a remain winning vote. The domestic working class felt otherwise.
Italy and Greece will always lean towards fascism. It's greco-latin in origin. Clocks ticking on those two.
Most European countries teach kids about the EU in school. So their populations understand what it is, and how it works.
Knowledge and understanding like that equips people to deal with propaganda. The main reason it was so easy to fool people into voting leave here was that they could blame the EU for everything that was wrong in their lives, and they could brush off all the information about the actual impact of brexit as "project fear".
That won't be as easy elsewhere.
Plus they can just look at the utter carnage caused to the economy by brexit, twice as bad as the pandemic, and think "hmmmm maybe not".
As mentioned above, some fringe far right groups are pushing for other countries to leave. But it's very unlikely to get any traction.
Propoganda goes both ways. I try to avoid the right/left dilema they're both equally toxic.
At the end of the day eastern European countries are never going to alter their Christian state religious institutions. Islamic migrants won't integrate. It would make the troubles in Ireland look like a tea party. Not everything can be solved with money. Afghanistan proved that recently.
Migrants integrate just fine. All humans get on well, except bigots. And I don't think we're at the point that bigots outnumber ordinary people.
In any case. Even if you are right, it's unlikely these countries will be able to blame the EU for all their woes like the British media and government did. "There are plenty of bigots migrating over whom are coming here to make money with no interest in conforming to modernity. This is exclusively a western construct. Predominantly only western Europe and the US, Canada. The EU is the current ruling political body that regulates freedom of movement. It's a capitalist trading bloc one minute then a socialist elite tea party the next. You can't be both and I can't see why the fault won't inevitably land at it's door. | |||
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"I'm from Scotland and voted remain but I'd change my vote if I could tbh. Brexit is shit but there's no plans for a western global economy other than cheap labour sweatshops and injecting more cultural unrest into Europe so multinational corporations can cash in on the desperation. The EU will last another 20 years tops before it bursts into flames. Better off out before it blows. That is an interesting take but I don’t agree. We are already seeing the need for the lowering of standards in the UK if we are to compete with cheap oversees products and labour markets. The NZ trade deal demonstrates that UK farmers will not be able to compete on price. Why? Cheaper production costs in NZ with lower wages, more intensive farming (hugely larger farms and volume of livestock), and permitted use of hormone injections and pesticides. For UK farmers to compete in price this can only go one way, lower food and farming standards and lower wages to reduce production costs. Multiply that by free trade deals with the likes of India and China without the negotiating power of being in the EU, and this can only go one way. Brexit was the Trojan Horse to allow the very rich and powerful 0.1% to start the process of diluting and reducing employment/workers rights and human rights. Nobody is saying the EU was perfect, far from it, but Brexit (as it stands and has been “designed” is a con). Each to their own I guess. I fear we're beyond the laws of supply and demand though, the EU has destroyed traditional European values and identity through mass economic migration. The foundations are gone so there is nothing left to hold it together long term. Hungary, Poland and Greece already looking for the nearest exit. No they aren’t,
Yes they are, they don't want freedom of movement because it's rife for economic abuse and they're extremely culturally conservative countires. Greece has already started building migrant camps. It's not sustainable.
Neither Hungary, Poland or Greece have said they want to leave.
Actually to be fair a neo-nazi party in Greece has.
Not yet but they are heading that way. Britain never outright said it wanted to leave. David Cameron passed the go ahead for the referendum to take place because it was a dead cert to be a remain winning vote. The domestic working class felt otherwise.
Italy and Greece will always lean towards fascism. It's greco-latin in origin. Clocks ticking on those two.
Most European countries teach kids about the EU in school. So their populations understand what it is, and how it works.
Knowledge and understanding like that equips people to deal with propaganda. The main reason it was so easy to fool people into voting leave here was that they could blame the EU for everything that was wrong in their lives, and they could brush off all the information about the actual impact of brexit as "project fear".
That won't be as easy elsewhere.
Plus they can just look at the utter carnage caused to the economy by brexit, twice as bad as the pandemic, and think "hmmmm maybe not".
As mentioned above, some fringe far right groups are pushing for other countries to leave. But it's very unlikely to get any traction.
Propoganda goes both ways. I try to avoid the right/left dilema they're both equally toxic.
At the end of the day eastern European countries are never going to alter their Christian state religious institutions. Islamic migrants won't integrate. It would make the troubles in Ireland look like a tea party. Not everything can be solved with money. Afghanistan proved that recently.
Migrants integrate just fine. All humans get on well, except bigots. And I don't think we're at the point that bigots outnumber ordinary people.
In any case. Even if you are right, it's unlikely these countries will be able to blame the EU for all their woes like the British media and government did.
There are plenty of bigots migrating over whom are coming here to make money with no interest in conforming to modernity. This is exclusively a western construct. Predominantly only western Europe and the US, Canada.
The EU is the current ruling political body that regulates freedom of movement. It's a capitalist trading bloc one minute then a socialist elite tea party the next. You can't be both and I can't see why the fault won't inevitably land at it's door."if you migrate and are found to be a threat, or a risk, you can be removed your secondary comment doesn't really make sense | |||
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"I'm from Scotland and voted remain but I'd change my vote if I could tbh. Brexit is shit but there's no plans for a western global economy other than cheap labour sweatshops and injecting more cultural unrest into Europe so multinational corporations can cash in on the desperation. The EU will last another 20 years tops before it bursts into flames. Better off out before it blows. That is an interesting take but I don’t agree. We are already seeing the need for the lowering of standards in the UK if we are to compete with cheap oversees products and labour markets. The NZ trade deal demonstrates that UK farmers will not be able to compete on price. Why? Cheaper production costs in NZ with lower wages, more intensive farming (hugely larger farms and volume of livestock), and permitted use of hormone injections and pesticides. For UK farmers to compete in price this can only go one way, lower food and farming standards and lower wages to reduce production costs. Multiply that by free trade deals with the likes of India and China without the negotiating power of being in the EU, and this can only go one way. Brexit was the Trojan Horse to allow the very rich and powerful 0.1% to start the process of diluting and reducing employment/workers rights and human rights. Nobody is saying the EU was perfect, far from it, but Brexit (as it stands and has been “designed” is a con). Each to their own I guess. I fear we're beyond the laws of supply and demand though, the EU has destroyed traditional European values and identity through mass economic migration. The foundations are gone so there is nothing left to hold it together long term. Hungary, Poland and Greece already looking for the nearest exit. No they aren’t,
Yes they are, they don't want freedom of movement because it's rife for economic abuse and they're extremely culturally conservative countires. Greece has already started building migrant camps. It's not sustainable.
Neither Hungary, Poland or Greece have said they want to leave.
Actually to be fair a neo-nazi party in Greece has.
Not yet but they are heading that way. Britain never outright said it wanted to leave. David Cameron passed the go ahead for the referendum to take place because it was a dead cert to be a remain winning vote. The domestic working class felt otherwise.
Italy and Greece will always lean towards fascism. It's greco-latin in origin. Clocks ticking on those two.
Most European countries teach kids about the EU in school. So their populations understand what it is, and how it works.
Knowledge and understanding like that equips people to deal with propaganda. The main reason it was so easy to fool people into voting leave here was that they could blame the EU for everything that was wrong in their lives, and they could brush off all the information about the actual impact of brexit as "project fear".
That won't be as easy elsewhere.
Plus they can just look at the utter carnage caused to the economy by brexit, twice as bad as the pandemic, and think "hmmmm maybe not".
As mentioned above, some fringe far right groups are pushing for other countries to leave. But it's very unlikely to get any traction.
Propoganda goes both ways. I try to avoid the right/left dilema they're both equally toxic.
At the end of the day eastern European countries are never going to alter their Christian state religious institutions. Islamic migrants won't integrate. It would make the troubles in Ireland look like a tea party. Not everything can be solved with money. Afghanistan proved that recently.
Migrants integrate just fine. All humans get on well, except bigots. And I don't think we're at the point that bigots outnumber ordinary people.
In any case. Even if you are right, it's unlikely these countries will be able to blame the EU for all their woes like the British media and government did.
There are plenty of bigots migrating over whom are coming here to make money with no interest in conforming to modernity. This is exclusively a western construct. Predominantly only western Europe and the US, Canada.
The EU is the current ruling political body that regulates freedom of movement. It's a capitalist trading bloc one minute then a socialist elite tea party the next. You can't be both and I can't see why the fault won't inevitably land at it's door."Ah so when it's boiled down. It's the old "foreigners" argument. Carry on. | |||
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"I'm from Scotland and voted remain but I'd change my vote if I could tbh. Brexit is shit but there's no plans for a western global economy other than cheap labour sweatshops and injecting more cultural unrest into Europe so multinational corporations can cash in on the desperation. The EU will last another 20 years tops before it bursts into flames. Better off out before it blows. That is an interesting take but I don’t agree. We are already seeing the need for the lowering of standards in the UK if we are to compete with cheap oversees products and labour markets. The NZ trade deal demonstrates that UK farmers will not be able to compete on price. Why? Cheaper production costs in NZ with lower wages, more intensive farming (hugely larger farms and volume of livestock), and permitted use of hormone injections and pesticides. For UK farmers to compete in price this can only go one way, lower food and farming standards and lower wages to reduce production costs. Multiply that by free trade deals with the likes of India and China without the negotiating power of being in the EU, and this can only go one way. Brexit was the Trojan Horse to allow the very rich and powerful 0.1% to start the process of diluting and reducing employment/workers rights and human rights. Nobody is saying the EU was perfect, far from it, but Brexit (as it stands and has been “designed” is a con). Each to their own I guess. I fear we're beyond the laws of supply and demand though, the EU has destroyed traditional European values and identity through mass economic migration. The foundations are gone so there is nothing left to hold it together long term. Hungary, Poland and Greece already looking for the nearest exit. No they aren’t,
Yes they are, they don't want freedom of movement because it's rife for economic abuse and they're extremely culturally conservative countires. Greece has already started building migrant camps. It's not sustainable.
Neither Hungary, Poland or Greece have said they want to leave.
Actually to be fair a neo-nazi party in Greece has.
Not yet but they are heading that way. Britain never outright said it wanted to leave. David Cameron passed the go ahead for the referendum to take place because it was a dead cert to be a remain winning vote. The domestic working class felt otherwise.
Italy and Greece will always lean towards fascism. It's greco-latin in origin. Clocks ticking on those two.
Most European countries teach kids about the EU in school. So their populations understand what it is, and how it works.
Knowledge and understanding like that equips people to deal with propaganda. The main reason it was so easy to fool people into voting leave here was that they could blame the EU for everything that was wrong in their lives, and they could brush off all the information about the actual impact of brexit as "project fear".
That won't be as easy elsewhere.
Plus they can just look at the utter carnage caused to the economy by brexit, twice as bad as the pandemic, and think "hmmmm maybe not".
As mentioned above, some fringe far right groups are pushing for other countries to leave. But it's very unlikely to get any traction.
Propoganda goes both ways. I try to avoid the right/left dilema they're both equally toxic.
At the end of the day eastern European countries are never going to alter their Christian state religious institutions. Islamic migrants won't integrate. It would make the troubles in Ireland look like a tea party. Not everything can be solved with money. Afghanistan proved that recently.
Migrants integrate just fine. All humans get on well, except bigots. And I don't think we're at the point that bigots outnumber ordinary people.
In any case. Even if you are right, it's unlikely these countries will be able to blame the EU for all their woes like the British media and government did.
There are plenty of bigots migrating over whom are coming here to make money with no interest in conforming to modernity. This is exclusively a western construct. Predominantly only western Europe and the US, Canada.
The EU is the current ruling political body that regulates freedom of movement. It's a capitalist trading bloc one minute then a socialist elite tea party the next. You can't be both and I can't see why the fault won't inevitably land at it's door.
Ah so when it's boiled down. It's the old "foreigners" argument.
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"I'm from Scotland and voted remain but I'd change my vote if I could tbh. Brexit is shit but there's no plans for a western global economy other than cheap labour sweatshops and injecting more cultural unrest into Europe so multinational corporations can cash in on the desperation. The EU will last another 20 years tops before it bursts into flames. Better off out before it blows. That is an interesting take but I don’t agree. We are already seeing the need for the lowering of standards in the UK if we are to compete with cheap oversees products and labour markets. The NZ trade deal demonstrates that UK farmers will not be able to compete on price. Why? Cheaper production costs in NZ with lower wages, more intensive farming (hugely larger farms and volume of livestock), and permitted use of hormone injections and pesticides. For UK farmers to compete in price this can only go one way, lower food and farming standards and lower wages to reduce production costs. Multiply that by free trade deals with the likes of India and China without the negotiating power of being in the EU, and this can only go one way. Brexit was the Trojan Horse to allow the very rich and powerful 0.1% to start the process of diluting and reducing employment/workers rights and human rights. Nobody is saying the EU was perfect, far from it, but Brexit (as it stands and has been “designed” is a con). Each to their own I guess. I fear we're beyond the laws of supply and demand though, the EU has destroyed traditional European values and identity through mass economic migration. The foundations are gone so there is nothing left to hold it together long term. Hungary, Poland and Greece already looking for the nearest exit. No they aren’t,
Yes they are, they don't want freedom of movement because it's rife for economic abuse and they're extremely culturally conservative countires. Greece has already started building migrant camps. It's not sustainable.
Neither Hungary, Poland or Greece have said they want to leave.
Actually to be fair a neo-nazi party in Greece has.
Not yet but they are heading that way. Britain never outright said it wanted to leave. David Cameron passed the go ahead for the referendum to take place because it was a dead cert to be a remain winning vote. The domestic working class felt otherwise.
Italy and Greece will always lean towards fascism. It's greco-latin in origin. Clocks ticking on those two.
Most European countries teach kids about the EU in school. So their populations understand what it is, and how it works.
Knowledge and understanding like that equips people to deal with propaganda. The main reason it was so easy to fool people into voting leave here was that they could blame the EU for everything that was wrong in their lives, and they could brush off all the information about the actual impact of brexit as "project fear".
That won't be as easy elsewhere.
Plus they can just look at the utter carnage caused to the economy by brexit, twice as bad as the pandemic, and think "hmmmm maybe not".
As mentioned above, some fringe far right groups are pushing for other countries to leave. But it's very unlikely to get any traction.
Propoganda goes both ways. I try to avoid the right/left dilema they're both equally toxic.
At the end of the day eastern European countries are never going to alter their Christian state religious institutions. Islamic migrants won't integrate. It would make the troubles in Ireland look like a tea party. Not everything can be solved with money. Afghanistan proved that recently.
Migrants integrate just fine. All humans get on well, except bigots. And I don't think we're at the point that bigots outnumber ordinary people.
In any case. Even if you are right, it's unlikely these countries will be able to blame the EU for all their woes like the British media and government did.
There are plenty of bigots migrating over whom are coming here to make money with no interest in conforming to modernity. This is exclusively a western construct. Predominantly only western Europe and the US, Canada.
The EU is the current ruling political body that regulates freedom of movement. It's a capitalist trading bloc one minute then a socialist elite tea party the next. You can't be both and I can't see why the fault won't inevitably land at it's door.
Ah so when it's boiled down. It's the old "foreigners" argument.
Carry on.
Ideals are peaceful, history is violent. Each to their own "Each to their own, until people vote for the massive brexit turd because they don't like foreigners. | |||
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"I'm from Scotland and voted remain but I'd change my vote if I could tbh. Brexit is shit but there's no plans for a western global economy other than cheap labour sweatshops and injecting more cultural unrest into Europe so multinational corporations can cash in on the desperation. The EU will last another 20 years tops before it bursts into flames. Better off out before it blows. That is an interesting take but I don’t agree. We are already seeing the need for the lowering of standards in the UK if we are to compete with cheap oversees products and labour markets. The NZ trade deal demonstrates that UK farmers will not be able to compete on price. Why? Cheaper production costs in NZ with lower wages, more intensive farming (hugely larger farms and volume of livestock), and permitted use of hormone injections and pesticides. For UK farmers to compete in price this can only go one way, lower food and farming standards and lower wages to reduce production costs. Multiply that by free trade deals with the likes of India and China without the negotiating power of being in the EU, and this can only go one way. Brexit was the Trojan Horse to allow the very rich and powerful 0.1% to start the process of diluting and reducing employment/workers rights and human rights. Nobody is saying the EU was perfect, far from it, but Brexit (as it stands and has been “designed” is a con). Each to their own I guess. I fear we're beyond the laws of supply and demand though, the EU has destroyed traditional European values and identity through mass economic migration. The foundations are gone so there is nothing left to hold it together long term. Hungary, Poland and Greece already looking for the nearest exit. No they aren’t,
Yes they are, they don't want freedom of movement because it's rife for economic abuse and they're extremely culturally conservative countires. Greece has already started building migrant camps. It's not sustainable.
Neither Hungary, Poland or Greece have said they want to leave.
Actually to be fair a neo-nazi party in Greece has.
Not yet but they are heading that way. Britain never outright said it wanted to leave. David Cameron passed the go ahead for the referendum to take place because it was a dead cert to be a remain winning vote. The domestic working class felt otherwise.
Italy and Greece will always lean towards fascism. It's greco-latin in origin. Clocks ticking on those two.
Most European countries teach kids about the EU in school. So their populations understand what it is, and how it works.
Knowledge and understanding like that equips people to deal with propaganda. The main reason it was so easy to fool people into voting leave here was that they could blame the EU for everything that was wrong in their lives, and they could brush off all the information about the actual impact of brexit as "project fear".
That won't be as easy elsewhere.
Plus they can just look at the utter carnage caused to the economy by brexit, twice as bad as the pandemic, and think "hmmmm maybe not".
As mentioned above, some fringe far right groups are pushing for other countries to leave. But it's very unlikely to get any traction.
Propoganda goes both ways. I try to avoid the right/left dilema they're both equally toxic.
At the end of the day eastern European countries are never going to alter their Christian state religious institutions. Islamic migrants won't integrate. It would make the troubles in Ireland look like a tea party. Not everything can be solved with money. Afghanistan proved that recently.
Migrants integrate just fine. All humans get on well, except bigots. And I don't think we're at the point that bigots outnumber ordinary people.
In any case. Even if you are right, it's unlikely these countries will be able to blame the EU for all their woes like the British media and government did.
There are plenty of bigots migrating over whom are coming here to make money with no interest in conforming to modernity. This is exclusively a western construct. Predominantly only western Europe and the US, Canada.
The EU is the current ruling political body that regulates freedom of movement. It's a capitalist trading bloc one minute then a socialist elite tea party the next. You can't be both and I can't see why the fault won't inevitably land at it's door.
Ah so when it's boiled down. It's the old "foreigners" argument.
Carry on.
Ideals are peaceful, history is violent. Each to their own
Each to their own, until people vote for the massive brexit turd because they don't like foreigners.
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"I'm from Scotland and voted remain but I'd change my vote if I could tbh. Brexit is shit but there's no plans for a western global economy other than cheap labour sweatshops and injecting more cultural unrest into Europe so multinational corporations can cash in on the desperation. The EU will last another 20 years tops before it bursts into flames. Better off out before it blows. That is an interesting take but I don’t agree. We are already seeing the need for the lowering of standards in the UK if we are to compete with cheap oversees products and labour markets. The NZ trade deal demonstrates that UK farmers will not be able to compete on price. Why? Cheaper production costs in NZ with lower wages, more intensive farming (hugely larger farms and volume of livestock), and permitted use of hormone injections and pesticides. For UK farmers to compete in price this can only go one way, lower food and farming standards and lower wages to reduce production costs. Multiply that by free trade deals with the likes of India and China without the negotiating power of being in the EU, and this can only go one way. Brexit was the Trojan Horse to allow the very rich and powerful 0.1% to start the process of diluting and reducing employment/workers rights and human rights. Nobody is saying the EU was perfect, far from it, but Brexit (as it stands and has been “designed” is a con). Each to their own I guess. I fear we're beyond the laws of supply and demand though, the EU has destroyed traditional European values and identity through mass economic migration. The foundations are gone so there is nothing left to hold it together long term. Hungary, Poland and Greece already looking for the nearest exit. No they aren’t,
Yes they are, they don't want freedom of movement because it's rife for economic abuse and they're extremely culturally conservative countires. Greece has already started building migrant camps. It's not sustainable.
Neither Hungary, Poland or Greece have said they want to leave.
Actually to be fair a neo-nazi party in Greece has.
Not yet but they are heading that way. Britain never outright said it wanted to leave. David Cameron passed the go ahead for the referendum to take place because it was a dead cert to be a remain winning vote. The domestic working class felt otherwise.
Italy and Greece will always lean towards fascism. It's greco-latin in origin. Clocks ticking on those two.
Most European countries teach kids about the EU in school. So their populations understand what it is, and how it works.
Knowledge and understanding like that equips people to deal with propaganda. The main reason it was so easy to fool people into voting leave here was that they could blame the EU for everything that was wrong in their lives, and they could brush off all the information about the actual impact of brexit as "project fear".
That won't be as easy elsewhere.
Plus they can just look at the utter carnage caused to the economy by brexit, twice as bad as the pandemic, and think "hmmmm maybe not".
As mentioned above, some fringe far right groups are pushing for other countries to leave. But it's very unlikely to get any traction.
Propoganda goes both ways. I try to avoid the right/left dilema they're both equally toxic.
At the end of the day eastern European countries are never going to alter their Christian state religious institutions. Islamic migrants won't integrate. It would make the troubles in Ireland look like a tea party. Not everything can be solved with money. Afghanistan proved that recently.
Migrants integrate just fine. All humans get on well, except bigots. And I don't think we're at the point that bigots outnumber ordinary people.
In any case. Even if you are right, it's unlikely these countries will be able to blame the EU for all their woes like the British media and government did.
There are plenty of bigots migrating over whom are coming here to make money with no interest in conforming to modernity. This is exclusively a western construct. Predominantly only western Europe and the US, Canada.
The EU is the current ruling political body that regulates freedom of movement. It's a capitalist trading bloc one minute then a socialist elite tea party the next. You can't be both and I can't see why the fault won't inevitably land at it's door.
Ah so when it's boiled down. It's the old "foreigners" argument.
Carry on.
Ideals are peaceful, history is violent. Each to their own
Each to their own, until people vote for the massive brexit turd because they don't like foreigners.
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"I'm from Scotland and voted remain but I'd change my vote if I could tbh. Brexit is shit but there's no plans for a western global economy other than cheap labour sweatshops and injecting more cultural unrest into Europe so multinational corporations can cash in on the desperation. The EU will last another 20 years tops before it bursts into flames. Better off out before it blows. That is an interesting take but I don’t agree. We are already seeing the need for the lowering of standards in the UK if we are to compete with cheap oversees products and labour markets. The NZ trade deal demonstrates that UK farmers will not be able to compete on price. Why? Cheaper production costs in NZ with lower wages, more intensive farming (hugely larger farms and volume of livestock), and permitted use of hormone injections and pesticides. For UK farmers to compete in price this can only go one way, lower food and farming standards and lower wages to reduce production costs. Multiply that by free trade deals with the likes of India and China without the negotiating power of being in the EU, and this can only go one way. Brexit was the Trojan Horse to allow the very rich and powerful 0.1% to start the process of diluting and reducing employment/workers rights and human rights. Nobody is saying the EU was perfect, far from it, but Brexit (as it stands and has been “designed” is a con). Each to their own I guess. I fear we're beyond the laws of supply and demand though, the EU has destroyed traditional European values and identity through mass economic migration. The foundations are gone so there is nothing left to hold it together long term. Hungary, Poland and Greece already looking for the nearest exit. No they aren’t,
Yes they are, they don't want freedom of movement because it's rife for economic abuse and they're extremely culturally conservative countires. Greece has already started building migrant camps. It's not sustainable.
Neither Hungary, Poland or Greece have said they want to leave.
Actually to be fair a neo-nazi party in Greece has.
Not yet but they are heading that way. Britain never outright said it wanted to leave. David Cameron passed the go ahead for the referendum to take place because it was a dead cert to be a remain winning vote. The domestic working class felt otherwise.
Italy and Greece will always lean towards fascism. It's greco-latin in origin. Clocks ticking on those two.
Most European countries teach kids about the EU in school. So their populations understand what it is, and how it works.
Knowledge and understanding like that equips people to deal with propaganda. The main reason it was so easy to fool people into voting leave here was that they could blame the EU for everything that was wrong in their lives, and they could brush off all the information about the actual impact of brexit as "project fear".
That won't be as easy elsewhere.
Plus they can just look at the utter carnage caused to the economy by brexit, twice as bad as the pandemic, and think "hmmmm maybe not".
As mentioned above, some fringe far right groups are pushing for other countries to leave. But it's very unlikely to get any traction.
Propoganda goes both ways. I try to avoid the right/left dilema they're both equally toxic.
At the end of the day eastern European countries are never going to alter their Christian state religious institutions. Islamic migrants won't integrate. It would make the troubles in Ireland look like a tea party. Not everything can be solved with money. Afghanistan proved that recently.
Migrants integrate just fine. All humans get on well, except bigots. And I don't think we're at the point that bigots outnumber ordinary people.
In any case. Even if you are right, it's unlikely these countries will be able to blame the EU for all their woes like the British media and government did.
There are plenty of bigots migrating over whom are coming here to make money with no interest in conforming to modernity. This is exclusively a western construct. Predominantly only western Europe and the US, Canada.
The EU is the current ruling political body that regulates freedom of movement. It's a capitalist trading bloc one minute then a socialist elite tea party the next. You can't be both and I can't see why the fault won't inevitably land at it's door.
Ah so when it's boiled down. It's the old "foreigners" argument.
Carry on.
Ideals are peaceful, history is violent. Each to their own
Each to their own, until people vote for the massive brexit turd because they don't like foreigners.
Does the EU like "foreigners"?
Why is the eastern end of tje EU being covered in razor wire? "Absolutely. They don't. The EU has a horrific attitude towards non-EU citizens. The wall they paid for on the border between Turkey and Syria as an example. (The chap above would likely approve of most of this). Not sure any of this is a good justification for people who don't like foreigners voting to make us all poorer. | |||
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"I'm from Scotland and voted remain but I'd change my vote if I could tbh. Brexit is shit but there's no plans for a western global economy other than cheap labour sweatshops and injecting more cultural unrest into Europe so multinational corporations can cash in on the desperation. The EU will last another 20 years tops before it bursts into flames. Better off out before it blows. That is an interesting take but I don’t agree. We are already seeing the need for the lowering of standards in the UK if we are to compete with cheap oversees products and labour markets. The NZ trade deal demonstrates that UK farmers will not be able to compete on price. Why? Cheaper production costs in NZ with lower wages, more intensive farming (hugely larger farms and volume of livestock), and permitted use of hormone injections and pesticides. For UK farmers to compete in price this can only go one way, lower food and farming standards and lower wages to reduce production costs. Multiply that by free trade deals with the likes of India and China without the negotiating power of being in the EU, and this can only go one way. Brexit was the Trojan Horse to allow the very rich and powerful 0.1% to start the process of diluting and reducing employment/workers rights and human rights. Nobody is saying the EU was perfect, far from it, but Brexit (as it stands and has been “designed” is a con). Each to their own I guess. I fear we're beyond the laws of supply and demand though, the EU has destroyed traditional European values and identity through mass economic migration. The foundations are gone so there is nothing left to hold it together long term. Hungary, Poland and Greece already looking for the nearest exit. No they aren’t,
Yes they are, they don't want freedom of movement because it's rife for economic abuse and they're extremely culturally conservative countires. Greece has already started building migrant camps. It's not sustainable.
Neither Hungary, Poland or Greece have said they want to leave.
Actually to be fair a neo-nazi party in Greece has.
Not yet but they are heading that way. Britain never outright said it wanted to leave. David Cameron passed the go ahead for the referendum to take place because it was a dead cert to be a remain winning vote. The domestic working class felt otherwise.
Italy and Greece will always lean towards fascism. It's greco-latin in origin. Clocks ticking on those two.
Most European countries teach kids about the EU in school. So their populations understand what it is, and how it works.
Knowledge and understanding like that equips people to deal with propaganda. The main reason it was so easy to fool people into voting leave here was that they could blame the EU for everything that was wrong in their lives, and they could brush off all the information about the actual impact of brexit as "project fear".
That won't be as easy elsewhere.
Plus they can just look at the utter carnage caused to the economy by brexit, twice as bad as the pandemic, and think "hmmmm maybe not".
As mentioned above, some fringe far right groups are pushing for other countries to leave. But it's very unlikely to get any traction.
Propoganda goes both ways. I try to avoid the right/left dilema they're both equally toxic.
At the end of the day eastern European countries are never going to alter their Christian state religious institutions. Islamic migrants won't integrate. It would make the troubles in Ireland look like a tea party. Not everything can be solved with money. Afghanistan proved that recently.
Migrants integrate just fine. All humans get on well, except bigots. And I don't think we're at the point that bigots outnumber ordinary people.
In any case. Even if you are right, it's unlikely these countries will be able to blame the EU for all their woes like the British media and government did.
There are plenty of bigots migrating over whom are coming here to make money with no interest in conforming to modernity. This is exclusively a western construct. Predominantly only western Europe and the US, Canada.
The EU is the current ruling political body that regulates freedom of movement. It's a capitalist trading bloc one minute then a socialist elite tea party the next. You can't be both and I can't see why the fault won't inevitably land at it's door.
Ah so when it's boiled down. It's the old "foreigners" argument.
Carry on.
Ideals are peaceful, history is violent. Each to their own
Each to their own, until people vote for the massive brexit turd because they don't like foreigners.
Does the EU like "foreigners"?
Why is the eastern end of tje EU being covered in razor wire? "You mean they're doing what Boris told us we couldn't do until we left the eu ? Funny thing is he might be a lying cnut | |||
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"I'm from Scotland and voted remain but I'd change my vote if I could tbh. Brexit is shit but there's no plans for a western global economy other than cheap labour sweatshops and injecting more cultural unrest into Europe so multinational corporations can cash in on the desperation. The EU will last another 20 years tops before it bursts into flames. Better off out before it blows. That is an interesting take but I don’t agree. We are already seeing the need for the lowering of standards in the UK if we are to compete with cheap oversees products and labour markets. The NZ trade deal demonstrates that UK farmers will not be able to compete on price. Why? Cheaper production costs in NZ with lower wages, more intensive farming (hugely larger farms and volume of livestock), and permitted use of hormone injections and pesticides. For UK farmers to compete in price this can only go one way, lower food and farming standards and lower wages to reduce production costs. Multiply that by free trade deals with the likes of India and China without the negotiating power of being in the EU, and this can only go one way. Brexit was the Trojan Horse to allow the very rich and powerful 0.1% to start the process of diluting and reducing employment/workers rights and human rights. Nobody is saying the EU was perfect, far from it, but Brexit (as it stands and has been “designed” is a con). Each to their own I guess. I fear we're beyond the laws of supply and demand though, the EU has destroyed traditional European values and identity through mass economic migration. The foundations are gone so there is nothing left to hold it together long term. Hungary, Poland and Greece already looking for the nearest exit. No they aren’t,
Yes they are, they don't want freedom of movement because it's rife for economic abuse and they're extremely culturally conservative countires. Greece has already started building migrant camps. It's not sustainable.
Neither Hungary, Poland or Greece have said they want to leave.
Actually to be fair a neo-nazi party in Greece has.
Not yet but they are heading that way. Britain never outright said it wanted to leave. David Cameron passed the go ahead for the referendum to take place because it was a dead cert to be a remain winning vote. The domestic working class felt otherwise.
Italy and Greece will always lean towards fascism. It's greco-latin in origin. Clocks ticking on those two.
Most European countries teach kids about the EU in school. So their populations understand what it is, and how it works.
Knowledge and understanding like that equips people to deal with propaganda. The main reason it was so easy to fool people into voting leave here was that they could blame the EU for everything that was wrong in their lives, and they could brush off all the information about the actual impact of brexit as "project fear".
That won't be as easy elsewhere.
Plus they can just look at the utter carnage caused to the economy by brexit, twice as bad as the pandemic, and think "hmmmm maybe not".
As mentioned above, some fringe far right groups are pushing for other countries to leave. But it's very unlikely to get any traction.
Propoganda goes both ways. I try to avoid the right/left dilema they're both equally toxic.
At the end of the day eastern European countries are never going to alter their Christian state religious institutions. Islamic migrants won't integrate. It would make the troubles in Ireland look like a tea party. Not everything can be solved with money. Afghanistan proved that recently.
Migrants integrate just fine. All humans get on well, except bigots. And I don't think we're at the point that bigots outnumber ordinary people.
In any case. Even if you are right, it's unlikely these countries will be able to blame the EU for all their woes like the British media and government did.
There are plenty of bigots migrating over whom are coming here to make money with no interest in conforming to modernity. This is exclusively a western construct. Predominantly only western Europe and the US, Canada.
The EU is the current ruling political body that regulates freedom of movement. It's a capitalist trading bloc one minute then a socialist elite tea party the next. You can't be both and I can't see why the fault won't inevitably land at it's door.
Ah so when it's boiled down. It's the old "foreigners" argument.
Carry on.
Ideals are peaceful, history is violent. Each to their own
Each to their own, until people vote for the massive brexit turd because they don't like foreigners.
Does the EU like "foreigners"?
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"Wrote a whole paragraph but f*ked it up. Moral of the story... Rightwing = bad Leftwing = bad We're all f*cked Have a nice week. "Even if we're foreigners? | |||
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"Brexit is bad I get it but we're (The Irish) still heading over in our droves as there are so many well paid work opportunities esp in construction. Only downside being the cost of housing/accommodation. Many guys here work in England during the week and return home at weekends as the money over there is good. "thats how free movement works, both parties benefit | |||
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"Wrote a whole paragraph but f*ked it up. Moral of the story... Rightwing = bad Leftwing = bad We're all f*cked Have a nice week.
Even if we're foreigners? "Ask the Taliban. They're running things now. Peace n loveee lol. | |||
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"Wrote a whole paragraph but f*ked it up. Moral of the story... Rightwing = bad Leftwing = bad We're all f*cked Have a nice week.
Even if we're foreigners?
Ask the Taliban. They're running things now. Peace n loveee lol."Are they? | |||
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"Brexit is bad I get it but we're (The Irish) still heading over in our droves as there are so many well paid work opportunities esp in construction. Only downside being the cost of housing/accommodation. Many guys here work in England during the week and return home at weekends as the money over there is good.
thats how free movement works, both parties benefit
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"Brexit is bad I get it but we're (The Irish) still heading over in our droves as there are so many well paid work opportunities esp in construction. Only downside being the cost of housing/accommodation. Many guys here work in England during the week and return home at weekends as the money over there is good.
thats how free movement works, both parties benefit
Then why did the leave vote win? "Because people are confused as fuck and think foreigners are the problem and that the Taliban are "running things now". See above. | |||
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"Wrote a whole paragraph but f*ked it up. Moral of the story... Rightwing = bad Leftwing = bad We're all f*cked Have a nice week.
Even if we're foreigners?
Ask the Taliban. They're running things now. Peace n loveee lol.
Are they? "Shocking news (if true). | |||
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"Brexit is bad I get it but we're (The Irish) still heading over in our droves as there are so many well paid work opportunities esp in construction. Only downside being the cost of housing/accommodation. Many guys here work in England during the week and return home at weekends as the money over there is good.
thats how free movement works, both parties benefit
Then why did the leave vote win?
Because people are confused as fuck and think foreigners are the problem and that the Taliban are "running things now". See above."Clearly a joke prior. So everyone who doesn't agree with unlimited mass migration with no clear economical outcome or planned sustainability other than throwing people into refugee camps and hostels is... wait for it... *drum roll* Racist... How free and liberal are the countries they are migrating from? As the chap above said EU nations are putting up fences. Leave your front door unlocked for the rest of your life. See where your utopian ideals land you. My god...  | |||
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"Brexit is bad I get it but we're (The Irish) still heading over in our droves as there are so many well paid work opportunities esp in construction. Only downside being the cost of housing/accommodation. Many guys here work in England during the week and return home at weekends as the money over there is good.
thats how free movement works, both parties benefit
Then why did the leave vote win?
Because people are confused as fuck and think foreigners are the problem and that the Taliban are "running things now". See above.
Clearly a joke prior.
So everyone who doesn't agree with unlimited mass migration with no clear economical outcome or planned sustainability other than throwing people into refugee camps and hostels is... wait for it... *drum roll* Racist...
How free and liberal are the countries they are migrating from?
As the chap above said EU nations are putting up fences.
Leave your front door unlocked for the rest of your life. See where your utopian ideals land you.
My god... ""unlimited mass migration with no clear economical outcome or planned sustainability other than throwing people into refugee camps and hostels" Where is this happening then, apart from the pages of the Express/Sun/Mail? "How free and liberal are the countries they are migrating from? " Absolutely, these people are desperately looking for a new life for themselves. Not sure why you associate not blaming Foreigners for everything, with leaving your door unlocked. | |||
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"Brexit is bad I get it but we're (The Irish) still heading over in our droves as there are so many well paid work opportunities esp in construction. Only downside being the cost of housing/accommodation. Many guys here work in England during the week and return home at weekends as the money over there is good.
thats how free movement works, both parties benefit
Then why did the leave vote win? "they were vey good at telling huge stinking porkies | |||
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"Brexit is bad I get it but we're (The Irish) still heading over in our droves as there are so many well paid work opportunities esp in construction. Only downside being the cost of housing/accommodation. Many guys here work in England during the week and return home at weekends as the money over there is good.
thats how free movement works, both parties benefit
Then why did the leave vote win?
they were vey good at telling huge stinking porkies"Exactly , everything they claimed has been proven to be bull shit | |||
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"Brexit is bad I get it but we're (The Irish) still heading over in our droves as there are so many well paid work opportunities esp in construction. Only downside being the cost of housing/accommodation. Many guys here work in England during the week and return home at weekends as the money over there is good.
thats how free movement works, both parties benefit
Then why did the leave vote win?
Because people are confused as fuck and think foreigners are the problem and that the Taliban are "running things now". See above.
Clearly a joke prior.
So everyone who doesn't agree with unlimited mass migration with no clear economical outcome or planned sustainability other than throwing people into refugee camps and hostels is... wait for it... *drum roll* Racist...
How free and liberal are the countries they are migrating from?
As the chap above said EU nations are putting up fences.
Leave your front door unlocked for the rest of your life. See where your utopian ideals land you.
My god...
"unlimited mass migration with no clear economical outcome or planned sustainability other than throwing people into refugee camps and hostels"
Where is this happening then, apart from the pages of the Express/Sun/Mail?
"How free and liberal are the countries they are migrating from? "
Absolutely, these people are desperately looking for a new life for themselves.
Not sure why you associate not blaming Foreigners for everything, with leaving your door unlocked."You for real... Greece. Poland Italy. They're rotting to death in EU camps in Libya too. There isn't the work or housing able to sustain it here and it's majority fighting age males with little marriage opportunities shipping over. If we invested in their countries markets instead of vaporising them they would have been fine. Your beloved globalist institutions didn't want new market competition. I'm not blaming foreigners at all. I just understand that poverty is the mother of crime. It's heat or eat for most people in England already. The doors have closed. | |||
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"Brexit is bad I get it but we're (The Irish) still heading over in our droves as there are so many well paid work opportunities esp in construction. Only downside being the cost of housing/accommodation. Many guys here work in England during the week and return home at weekends as the money over there is good.
thats how free movement works, both parties benefit
Then why did the leave vote win?
Because people are confused as fuck and think foreigners are the problem and that the Taliban are "running things now". See above.
Clearly a joke prior.
So everyone who doesn't agree with unlimited mass migration with no clear economical outcome or planned sustainability other than throwing people into refugee camps and hostels is... wait for it... *drum roll* Racist...
How free and liberal are the countries they are migrating from?
As the chap above said EU nations are putting up fences.
Leave your front door unlocked for the rest of your life. See where your utopian ideals land you.
My god...
"unlimited mass migration with no clear economical outcome or planned sustainability other than throwing people into refugee camps and hostels"
Where is this happening then, apart from the pages of the Express/Sun/Mail?
"How free and liberal are the countries they are migrating from? "
Absolutely, these people are desperately looking for a new life for themselves.
Not sure why you associate not blaming Foreigners for everything, with leaving your door unlocked.
You for real... Greece. Poland Italy. They're rotting to death in EU camps in Libya too.
There isn't the work or housing able to sustain it here and it's majority fighting age males with little marriage opportunities shipping over.
If we invested in their countries markets instead of vaporising them they would have been fine. Your beloved globalist institutions didn't want new market competition.
I'm not blaming foreigners at all. I just understand that poverty is the mother of crime. It's heat or eat for most people in England already. The doors have closed."Why does the UK now have chronic shortages of available labour in many industries ? | |||
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"Brexit is bad I get it but we're (The Irish) still heading over in our droves as there are so many well paid work opportunities esp in construction. Only downside being the cost of housing/accommodation. Many guys here work in England during the week and return home at weekends as the money over there is good.
thats how free movement works, both parties benefit
Then why did the leave vote win?
they were vey good at telling huge stinking porkies"So where's the grand revolution then? A vast majority of traditionally labour voting areas all voted leave in England. Why haven't they changed their tune if it's all a huge lie? | |||
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"Brexit is bad I get it but we're (The Irish) still heading over in our droves as there are so many well paid work opportunities esp in construction. Only downside being the cost of housing/accommodation. Many guys here work in England during the week and return home at weekends as the money over there is good.
thats how free movement works, both parties benefit
Then why did the leave vote win?
Because people are confused as fuck and think foreigners are the problem and that the Taliban are "running things now". See above.
Clearly a joke prior.
So everyone who doesn't agree with unlimited mass migration with no clear economical outcome or planned sustainability other than throwing people into refugee camps and hostels is... wait for it... *drum roll* Racist...
How free and liberal are the countries they are migrating from?
As the chap above said EU nations are putting up fences.
Leave your front door unlocked for the rest of your life. See where your utopian ideals land you.
My god...
"unlimited mass migration with no clear economical outcome or planned sustainability other than throwing people into refugee camps and hostels"
Where is this happening then, apart from the pages of the Express/Sun/Mail?
"How free and liberal are the countries they are migrating from? "
Absolutely, these people are desperately looking for a new life for themselves.
Not sure why you associate not blaming Foreigners for everything, with leaving your door unlocked.
You for real... Greece. Poland Italy. They're rotting to death in EU camps in Libya too.
There isn't the work or housing able to sustain it here and it's majority fighting age males with little marriage opportunities shipping over.
If we invested in their countries markets instead of vaporising them they would have been fine. Your beloved globalist institutions didn't want new market competition.
I'm not blaming foreigners at all. I just understand that poverty is the mother of crime. It's heat or eat for most people in England already. The doors have closed.
Why does the UK now have chronic shortages of available labour in many industries ? "Because the pay isn't good enough to attract native workers. I'm sure they'll reach the correct conclusion. | |||
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"Brexit is bad I get it but we're (The Irish) still heading over in our droves as there are so many well paid work opportunities esp in construction. Only downside being the cost of housing/accommodation. Many guys here work in England during the week and return home at weekends as the money over there is good.
thats how free movement works, both parties benefit
Then why did the leave vote win?
they were vey good at telling huge stinking porkies
So where's the grand revolution then? A vast majority of traditionally labour voting areas all voted leave in England. Why haven't they changed their tune if it's all a huge lie?"How do you know they haven’t | |||
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"Brexit is bad I get it but we're (The Irish) still heading over in our droves as there are so many well paid work opportunities esp in construction. Only downside being the cost of housing/accommodation. Many guys here work in England during the week and return home at weekends as the money over there is good.
thats how free movement works, both parties benefit
Then why did the leave vote win?
Because people are confused as fuck and think foreigners are the problem and that the Taliban are "running things now". See above.
Clearly a joke prior.
So everyone who doesn't agree with unlimited mass migration with no clear economical outcome or planned sustainability other than throwing people into refugee camps and hostels is... wait for it... *drum roll* Racist...
How free and liberal are the countries they are migrating from?
As the chap above said EU nations are putting up fences.
Leave your front door unlocked for the rest of your life. See where your utopian ideals land you.
My god...
"unlimited mass migration with no clear economical outcome or planned sustainability other than throwing people into refugee camps and hostels"
Where is this happening then, apart from the pages of the Express/Sun/Mail?
"How free and liberal are the countries they are migrating from? "
Absolutely, these people are desperately looking for a new life for themselves.
Not sure why you associate not blaming Foreigners for everything, with leaving your door unlocked.
You for real... Greece. Poland Italy. They're rotting to death in EU camps in Libya too.
There isn't the work or housing able to sustain it here and it's majority fighting age males with little marriage opportunities shipping over.
If we invested in their countries markets instead of vaporising them they would have been fine. Your beloved globalist institutions didn't want new market competition.
I'm not blaming foreigners at all. I just understand that poverty is the mother of crime. It's heat or eat for most people in England already. The doors have closed.
Why does the UK now have chronic shortages of available labour in many industries ?
Because the pay isn't good enough to attract native workers. I'm sure they'll reach the correct conclusion. "Not true, these ‘native’ workers don’t want the work or have other jobs, I keep being reminded how low the unemployment rate is. | |||
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"Brexit is bad I get it but we're (The Irish) still heading over in our droves as there are so many well paid work opportunities esp in construction. Only downside being the cost of housing/accommodation. Many guys here work in England during the week and return home at weekends as the money over there is good.
thats how free movement works, both parties benefit
Then why did the leave vote win?
Because people are confused as fuck and think foreigners are the problem and that the Taliban are "running things now". See above.
Clearly a joke prior.
So everyone who doesn't agree with unlimited mass migration with no clear economical outcome or planned sustainability other than throwing people into refugee camps and hostels is... wait for it... *drum roll* Racist...
How free and liberal are the countries they are migrating from?
As the chap above said EU nations are putting up fences.
Leave your front door unlocked for the rest of your life. See where your utopian ideals land you.
My god...
"unlimited mass migration with no clear economical outcome or planned sustainability other than throwing people into refugee camps and hostels"
Where is this happening then, apart from the pages of the Express/Sun/Mail?
"How free and liberal are the countries they are migrating from? "
Absolutely, these people are desperately looking for a new life for themselves.
Not sure why you associate not blaming Foreigners for everything, with leaving your door unlocked.
You for real... Greece. Poland Italy. They're rotting to death in EU camps in Libya too.
There isn't the work or housing able to sustain it here and it's majority fighting age males with little marriage opportunities shipping over.
If we invested in their countries markets instead of vaporising them they would have been fine. Your beloved globalist institutions didn't want new market competition.
I'm not blaming foreigners at all. I just understand that poverty is the mother of crime. It's heat or eat for most people in England already. The doors have closed.
Why does the UK now have chronic shortages of available labour in many industries ?
Because the pay isn't good enough to attract native workers. I'm sure they'll reach the correct conclusion.
Not true, these ‘native’ workers don’t want the work or have other jobs, I keep being reminded how low the unemployment rate is. "There's plenty of unemployed they just don't want to leave universal credit for the opportunity to bring in less money. They're all 0 or part time hour contracts. Soon as you pay travel, uniform, food etc. you're f*cked. I don't blame them. | |||
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"Brexit is bad I get it but we're (The Irish) still heading over in our droves as there are so many well paid work opportunities esp in construction. Only downside being the cost of housing/accommodation. Many guys here work in England during the week and return home at weekends as the money over there is good.
thats how free movement works, both parties benefit
Then why did the leave vote win?
Because people are confused as fuck and think foreigners are the problem and that the Taliban are "running things now". See above.
Clearly a joke prior.
So everyone who doesn't agree with unlimited mass migration with no clear economical outcome or planned sustainability other than throwing people into refugee camps and hostels is... wait for it... *drum roll* Racist...
How free and liberal are the countries they are migrating from?
As the chap above said EU nations are putting up fences.
Leave your front door unlocked for the rest of your life. See where your utopian ideals land you.
My god...
"unlimited mass migration with no clear economical outcome or planned sustainability other than throwing people into refugee camps and hostels"
Where is this happening then, apart from the pages of the Express/Sun/Mail?
"How free and liberal are the countries they are migrating from? "
Absolutely, these people are desperately looking for a new life for themselves.
Not sure why you associate not blaming Foreigners for everything, with leaving your door unlocked.
You for real... Greece. Poland Italy. They're rotting to death in EU camps in Libya too.
There isn't the work or housing able to sustain it here and it's majority fighting age males with little marriage opportunities shipping over.
If we invested in their countries markets instead of vaporising them they would have been fine. Your beloved globalist institutions didn't want new market competition.
I'm not blaming foreigners at all. I just understand that poverty is the mother of crime. It's heat or eat for most people in England already. The doors have closed.
Why does the UK now have chronic shortages of available labour in many industries ?
Because the pay isn't good enough to attract native workers. I'm sure they'll reach the correct conclusion.
Not true, these ‘native’ workers don’t want the work or have other jobs, I keep being reminded how low the unemployment rate is.
There's plenty of unemployed they just don't want to leave universal credit for the opportunity to bring in less money. They're all 0 or part time hour contracts. Soon as you pay travel, uniform, food etc. you're f*cked. I don't blame them."And who does their current jobs if or when they decide to help fill these chronic shortages | |||
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"Brexit is bad I get it but we're (The Irish) still heading over in our droves as there are so many well paid work opportunities esp in construction. Only downside being the cost of housing/accommodation. Many guys here work in England during the week and return home at weekends as the money over there is good.
thats how free movement works, both parties benefit
Then why did the leave vote win?
Because people are confused as fuck and think foreigners are the problem and that the Taliban are "running things now". See above.
Clearly a joke prior.
So everyone who doesn't agree with unlimited mass migration with no clear economical outcome or planned sustainability other than throwing people into refugee camps and hostels is... wait for it... *drum roll* Racist...
How free and liberal are the countries they are migrating from?
As the chap above said EU nations are putting up fences.
Leave your front door unlocked for the rest of your life. See where your utopian ideals land you.
My god...
"unlimited mass migration with no clear economical outcome or planned sustainability other than throwing people into refugee camps and hostels"
Where is this happening then, apart from the pages of the Express/Sun/Mail?
"How free and liberal are the countries they are migrating from? "
Absolutely, these people are desperately looking for a new life for themselves.
Not sure why you associate not blaming Foreigners for everything, with leaving your door unlocked.
You for real... Greece. Poland Italy. They're rotting to death in EU camps in Libya too.
There isn't the work or housing able to sustain it here and it's majority fighting age males with little marriage opportunities shipping over.
If we invested in their countries markets instead of vaporising them they would have been fine. Your beloved globalist institutions didn't want new market competition.
I'm not blaming foreigners at all. I just understand that poverty is the mother of crime. It's heat or eat for most people in England already. The doors have closed.
Why does the UK now have chronic shortages of available labour in many industries ?
Because the pay isn't good enough to attract native workers. I'm sure they'll reach the correct conclusion.
Not true, these ‘native’ workers don’t want the work or have other jobs, I keep being reminded how low the unemployment rate is.
There's plenty of unemployed they just don't want to leave universal credit for the opportunity to bring in less money. They're all 0 or part time hour contracts. Soon as you pay travel, uniform, food etc. you're f*cked. I don't blame them.
And who does their current jobs if or when they decide to help fill these chronic shortages "Businesses can up the wages and perks to fill the vacancys quickly or they can close and be replaced with newer market entrants. That's capitalism. I'll never support orwellian style employment. | |||
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"So we've moved from foreigners to unemployed people. Amazing. It's almost as if Brexit not a good idea. "So you want to increase migration to increase unemployment. | |||
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"Brexit is bad I get it but we're (The Irish) still heading over in our droves as there are so many well paid work opportunities esp in construction. Only downside being the cost of housing/accommodation. Many guys here work in England during the week and return home at weekends as the money over there is good.
thats how free movement works, both parties benefit
Then why did the leave vote win?
Because people are confused as fuck and think foreigners are the problem and that the Taliban are "running things now". See above.
Clearly a joke prior.
So everyone who doesn't agree with unlimited mass migration with no clear economical outcome or planned sustainability other than throwing people into refugee camps and hostels is... wait for it... *drum roll* Racist...
How free and liberal are the countries they are migrating from?
As the chap above said EU nations are putting up fences.
Leave your front door unlocked for the rest of your life. See where your utopian ideals land you.
My god...
"unlimited mass migration with no clear economical outcome or planned sustainability other than throwing people into refugee camps and hostels"
Where is this happening then, apart from the pages of the Express/Sun/Mail?
"How free and liberal are the countries they are migrating from? "
Absolutely, these people are desperately looking for a new life for themselves.
Not sure why you associate not blaming Foreigners for everything, with leaving your door unlocked.
You for real... Greece. Poland Italy. They're rotting to death in EU camps in Libya too.
There isn't the work or housing able to sustain it here and it's majority fighting age males with little marriage opportunities shipping over.
If we invested in their countries markets instead of vaporising them they would have been fine. Your beloved globalist institutions didn't want new market competition.
I'm not blaming foreigners at all. I just understand that poverty is the mother of crime. It's heat or eat for most people in England already. The doors have closed.
Why does the UK now have chronic shortages of available labour in many industries ?
Because the pay isn't good enough to attract native workers. I'm sure they'll reach the correct conclusion.
Not true, these ‘native’ workers don’t want the work or have other jobs, I keep being reminded how low the unemployment rate is.
There's plenty of unemployed they just don't want to leave universal credit for the opportunity to bring in less money. They're all 0 or part time hour contracts. Soon as you pay travel, uniform, food etc. you're f*cked. I don't blame them.
And who does their current jobs if or when they decide to help fill these chronic shortages
Businesses can up the wages and perks to fill the vacancys quickly or they can close and be replaced with newer market entrants. That's capitalism. I'll never support orwellian style employment."‘Orwellian style employment’ have you just made that up? | |||
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"So we've moved from foreigners to unemployed people. Amazing. It's almost as if Brexit not a good idea.
So you want to increase migration to increase unemployment. "So you want to stop migration that leads to chronic labour shortages and businesses failing? | |||
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"So we've moved from foreigners to unemployed people. Amazing. It's almost as if Brexit not a good idea.
So you want to increase migration to increase unemployment. "That's a bizarre assertion to make. It's based on your fundamental misunderstanding of the situation, combined with an incorrect assumption that anyone who understands the impact of brexit, wants to increase immigration. | |||
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"Brexit is bad I get it but we're (The Irish) still heading over in our droves as there are so many well paid work opportunities esp in construction. Only downside being the cost of housing/accommodation. Many guys here work in England during the week and return home at weekends as the money over there is good.
thats how free movement works, both parties benefit
Then why did the leave vote win?
Because people are confused as fuck and think foreigners are the problem and that the Taliban are "running things now". See above.
Clearly a joke prior.
So everyone who doesn't agree with unlimited mass migration with no clear economical outcome or planned sustainability other than throwing people into refugee camps and hostels is... wait for it... *drum roll* Racist...
How free and liberal are the countries they are migrating from?
As the chap above said EU nations are putting up fences.
Leave your front door unlocked for the rest of your life. See where your utopian ideals land you.
My god...
"unlimited mass migration with no clear economical outcome or planned sustainability other than throwing people into refugee camps and hostels"
Where is this happening then, apart from the pages of the Express/Sun/Mail?
"How free and liberal are the countries they are migrating from? "
Absolutely, these people are desperately looking for a new life for themselves.
Not sure why you associate not blaming Foreigners for everything, with leaving your door unlocked.
You for real... Greece. Poland Italy. They're rotting to death in EU camps in Libya too.
There isn't the work or housing able to sustain it here and it's majority fighting age males with little marriage opportunities shipping over.
If we invested in their countries markets instead of vaporising them they would have been fine. Your beloved globalist institutions didn't want new market competition.
I'm not blaming foreigners at all. I just understand that poverty is the mother of crime. It's heat or eat for most people in England already. The doors have closed.
Why does the UK now have chronic shortages of available labour in many industries ?
Because the pay isn't good enough to attract native workers. I'm sure they'll reach the correct conclusion.
Not true, these ‘native’ workers don’t want the work or have other jobs, I keep being reminded how low the unemployment rate is.
There's plenty of unemployed they just don't want to leave universal credit for the opportunity to bring in less money. They're all 0 or part time hour contracts. Soon as you pay travel, uniform, food etc. you're f*cked. I don't blame them.
And who does their current jobs if or when they decide to help fill these chronic shortages
Businesses can up the wages and perks to fill the vacancys quickly or they can close and be replaced with newer market entrants. That's capitalism. I'll never support orwellian style employment.
‘Orwellian style employment’ have you just made that up? "If you read more perhaps you'll come across it. I don't support stupid business practice no. | |||
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"Brexit is bad I get it but we're (The Irish) still heading over in our droves as there are so many well paid work opportunities esp in construction. Only downside being the cost of housing/accommodation. Many guys here work in England during the week and return home at weekends as the money over there is good.
thats how free movement works, both parties benefit
Then why did the leave vote win?
Because people are confused as fuck and think foreigners are the problem and that the Taliban are "running things now". See above.
Clearly a joke prior.
So everyone who doesn't agree with unlimited mass migration with no clear economical outcome or planned sustainability other than throwing people into refugee camps and hostels is... wait for it... *drum roll* Racist...
How free and liberal are the countries they are migrating from?
As the chap above said EU nations are putting up fences.
Leave your front door unlocked for the rest of your life. See where your utopian ideals land you.
My god...
"unlimited mass migration with no clear economical outcome or planned sustainability other than throwing people into refugee camps and hostels"
Where is this happening then, apart from the pages of the Express/Sun/Mail?
"How free and liberal are the countries they are migrating from? "
Absolutely, these people are desperately looking for a new life for themselves.
Not sure why you associate not blaming Foreigners for everything, with leaving your door unlocked.
You for real... Greece. Poland Italy. They're rotting to death in EU camps in Libya too.
There isn't the work or housing able to sustain it here and it's majority fighting age males with little marriage opportunities shipping over.
If we invested in their countries markets instead of vaporising them they would have been fine. Your beloved globalist institutions didn't want new market competition.
I'm not blaming foreigners at all. I just understand that poverty is the mother of crime. It's heat or eat for most people in England already. The doors have closed.
Why does the UK now have chronic shortages of available labour in many industries ?
Because the pay isn't good enough to attract native workers. I'm sure they'll reach the correct conclusion.
Not true, these ‘native’ workers don’t want the work or have other jobs, I keep being reminded how low the unemployment rate is.
There's plenty of unemployed they just don't want to leave universal credit for the opportunity to bring in less money. They're all 0 or part time hour contracts. Soon as you pay travel, uniform, food etc. you're f*cked. I don't blame them.
And who does their current jobs if or when they decide to help fill these chronic shortages
Businesses can up the wages and perks to fill the vacancys quickly or they can close and be replaced with newer market entrants. That's capitalism. I'll never support orwellian style employment.
‘Orwellian style employment’ have you just made that up?
If you read more perhaps you'll come across it. I don't support stupid business practice no."Neither do I, that is why I support a decent minimum wage that will eradicate ‘cheap ‘ labour | |||
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"So we've moved from foreigners to unemployed people. Amazing. It's almost as if Brexit not a good idea.
So you want to increase migration to increase unemployment.
That's a bizarre assertion to make. It's based on your fundamental misunderstanding of the situation, combined with an incorrect assumption that anyone who understands the impact of brexit, wants to increase immigration. ". Nothing but hyperbole but okay. Enlighten me then. The floodgates open then what. | |||
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"So we've moved from foreigners to unemployed people. Amazing. It's almost as if Brexit not a good idea.
So you want to increase migration to increase unemployment.
That's a bizarre assertion to make. It's based on your fundamental misunderstanding of the situation, combined with an incorrect assumption that anyone who understands the impact of brexit, wants to increase immigration. .
Nothing but hyperbole but okay. Enlighten me then. The floodgates open then what."What floodgates? There is no flood of immigrants coming here. You've been had, convinced to vote for brexit because "those lot are coming over here" etc etc. | |||
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"So we've moved from foreigners to unemployed people. Amazing. It's almost as if Brexit not a good idea.
So you want to increase migration to increase unemployment.
That's a bizarre assertion to make. It's based on your fundamental misunderstanding of the situation, combined with an incorrect assumption that anyone who understands the impact of brexit, wants to increase immigration. .
Nothing but hyperbole but okay. Enlighten me then. The floodgates open then what."Why will the ‘floodgates’ open? | |||
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"Brexit is bad I get it but we're (The Irish) still heading over in our droves as there are so many well paid work opportunities esp in construction. Only downside being the cost of housing/accommodation. Many guys here work in England during the week and return home at weekends as the money over there is good.
thats how free movement works, both parties benefit
Then why did the leave vote win?
Because people are confused as fuck and think foreigners are the problem and that the Taliban are "running things now". See above.
Clearly a joke prior.
So everyone who doesn't agree with unlimited mass migration with no clear economical outcome or planned sustainability other than throwing people into refugee camps and hostels is... wait for it... *drum roll* Racist...
How free and liberal are the countries they are migrating from?
As the chap above said EU nations are putting up fences.
Leave your front door unlocked for the rest of your life. See where your utopian ideals land you.
My god...
"unlimited mass migration with no clear economical outcome or planned sustainability other than throwing people into refugee camps and hostels"
Where is this happening then, apart from the pages of the Express/Sun/Mail?
"How free and liberal are the countries they are migrating from? "
Absolutely, these people are desperately looking for a new life for themselves.
Not sure why you associate not blaming Foreigners for everything, with leaving your door unlocked.
You for real... Greece. Poland Italy. They're rotting to death in EU camps in Libya too.
There isn't the work or housing able to sustain it here and it's majority fighting age males with little marriage opportunities shipping over.
If we invested in their countries markets instead of vaporising them they would have been fine. Your beloved globalist institutions didn't want new market competition.
I'm not blaming foreigners at all. I just understand that poverty is the mother of crime. It's heat or eat for most people in England already. The doors have closed.
Why does the UK now have chronic shortages of available labour in many industries ?
Because the pay isn't good enough to attract native workers. I'm sure they'll reach the correct conclusion.
Not true, these ‘native’ workers don’t want the work or have other jobs, I keep being reminded how low the unemployment rate is.
There's plenty of unemployed they just don't want to leave universal credit for the opportunity to bring in less money. They're all 0 or part time hour contracts. Soon as you pay travel, uniform, food etc. you're f*cked. I don't blame them.
And who does their current jobs if or when they decide to help fill these chronic shortages
Businesses can up the wages and perks to fill the vacancys quickly or they can close and be replaced with newer market entrants. That's capitalism. I'll never support orwellian style employment.
‘Orwellian style employment’ have you just made that up?
If you read more perhaps you'll come across it. I don't support stupid business practice no.
Neither do I, that is why I support a decent minimum wage that will eradicate ‘cheap ‘ labour "Me too, but how do we achieve that with freedom of movement? Businesses can just outsource entirely or even leave altogether. There's no bargaining power in government. Most MPs just fill their pockets and look the other way. | |||
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"Brexit is bad I get it but we're (The Irish) still heading over in our droves as there are so many well paid work opportunities esp in construction. Only downside being the cost of housing/accommodation. Many guys here work in England during the week and return home at weekends as the money over there is good.
thats how free movement works, both parties benefit
Then why did the leave vote win?
Because people are confused as fuck and think foreigners are the problem and that the Taliban are "running things now". See above.
Clearly a joke prior.
So everyone who doesn't agree with unlimited mass migration with no clear economical outcome or planned sustainability other than throwing people into refugee camps and hostels is... wait for it... *drum roll* Racist...
How free and liberal are the countries they are migrating from?
As the chap above said EU nations are putting up fences.
Leave your front door unlocked for the rest of your life. See where your utopian ideals land you.
My god...
"unlimited mass migration with no clear economical outcome or planned sustainability other than throwing people into refugee camps and hostels"
Where is this happening then, apart from the pages of the Express/Sun/Mail?
"How free and liberal are the countries they are migrating from? "
Absolutely, these people are desperately looking for a new life for themselves.
Not sure why you associate not blaming Foreigners for everything, with leaving your door unlocked.
You for real... Greece. Poland Italy. They're rotting to death in EU camps in Libya too.
There isn't the work or housing able to sustain it here and it's majority fighting age males with little marriage opportunities shipping over.
If we invested in their countries markets instead of vaporising them they would have been fine. Your beloved globalist institutions didn't want new market competition.
I'm not blaming foreigners at all. I just understand that poverty is the mother of crime. It's heat or eat for most people in England already. The doors have closed.
Why does the UK now have chronic shortages of available labour in many industries ?
Because the pay isn't good enough to attract native workers. I'm sure they'll reach the correct conclusion.
Not true, these ‘native’ workers don’t want the work or have other jobs, I keep being reminded how low the unemployment rate is.
There's plenty of unemployed they just don't want to leave universal credit for the opportunity to bring in less money. They're all 0 or part time hour contracts. Soon as you pay travel, uniform, food etc. you're f*cked. I don't blame them.
And who does their current jobs if or when they decide to help fill these chronic shortages
Businesses can up the wages and perks to fill the vacancys quickly or they can close and be replaced with newer market entrants. That's capitalism. I'll never support orwellian style employment.
‘Orwellian style employment’ have you just made that up?
If you read more perhaps you'll come across it. I don't support stupid business practice no.
Neither do I, that is why I support a decent minimum wage that will eradicate ‘cheap ‘ labour
Me too, but how do we achieve that with freedom of movement? Businesses can just outsource entirely or even leave altogether. There's no bargaining power in government. Most MPs just fill their pockets and look the other way."What had freedom of movement go to do with it? If you pay a decent minimum wage there will be no such things as ‘cheap’ labour | |||
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"So we've moved from foreigners to unemployed people. Amazing. It's almost as if Brexit not a good idea.
So you want to increase migration to increase unemployment.
That's a bizarre assertion to make. It's based on your fundamental misunderstanding of the situation, combined with an incorrect assumption that anyone who understands the impact of brexit, wants to increase immigration. .
Nothing but hyperbole but okay. Enlighten me then. The floodgates open then what.
What floodgates?
There is no flood of immigrants coming here. You've been had, convinced to vote for brexit because "those lot are coming over here" etc etc.
"I voted remain I've just changed my mind. I've stated the countries previously. It's not just the UK. Cop26 has literally just acknowledged mass displacement due to climate change/drought. i.e famine. Give it a few more years and you'll see. | |||
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"So we've moved from foreigners to unemployed people. Amazing. It's almost as if Brexit not a good idea.
So you want to increase migration to increase unemployment.
That's a bizarre assertion to make. It's based on your fundamental misunderstanding of the situation, combined with an incorrect assumption that anyone who understands the impact of brexit, wants to increase immigration. .
Nothing but hyperbole but okay. Enlighten me then. The floodgates open then what.
What floodgates?
There is no flood of immigrants coming here. You've been had, convinced to vote for brexit because "those lot are coming over here" etc etc.
I voted remain I've just changed my mind. I've stated the countries previously. It's not just the UK. Cop26 has literally just acknowledged mass displacement due to climate change/drought. i.e famine. Give it a few more years and you'll see. "So what's the solution to the displaced people due to inaction on climate change? | |||
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"Brexit is bad I get it but we're (The Irish) still heading over in our droves as there are so many well paid work opportunities esp in construction. Only downside being the cost of housing/accommodation. Many guys here work in England during the week and return home at weekends as the money over there is good.
thats how free movement works, both parties benefit
Then why did the leave vote win?
Because people are confused as fuck and think foreigners are the problem and that the Taliban are "running things now". See above.
Clearly a joke prior.
So everyone who doesn't agree with unlimited mass migration with no clear economical outcome or planned sustainability other than throwing people into refugee camps and hostels is... wait for it... *drum roll* Racist...
How free and liberal are the countries they are migrating from?
As the chap above said EU nations are putting up fences.
Leave your front door unlocked for the rest of your life. See where your utopian ideals land you.
My god...
"unlimited mass migration with no clear economical outcome or planned sustainability other than throwing people into refugee camps and hostels"
Where is this happening then, apart from the pages of the Express/Sun/Mail?
"How free and liberal are the countries they are migrating from? "
Absolutely, these people are desperately looking for a new life for themselves.
Not sure why you associate not blaming Foreigners for everything, with leaving your door unlocked.
You for real... Greece. Poland Italy. They're rotting to death in EU camps in Libya too.
There isn't the work or housing able to sustain it here and it's majority fighting age males with little marriage opportunities shipping over.
If we invested in their countries markets instead of vaporising them they would have been fine. Your beloved globalist institutions didn't want new market competition.
I'm not blaming foreigners at all. I just understand that poverty is the mother of crime. It's heat or eat for most people in England already. The doors have closed.
Why does the UK now have chronic shortages of available labour in many industries ?
Because the pay isn't good enough to attract native workers. I'm sure they'll reach the correct conclusion.
Not true, these ‘native’ workers don’t want the work or have other jobs, I keep being reminded how low the unemployment rate is.
There's plenty of unemployed they just don't want to leave universal credit for the opportunity to bring in less money. They're all 0 or part time hour contracts. Soon as you pay travel, uniform, food etc. you're f*cked. I don't blame them.
And who does their current jobs if or when they decide to help fill these chronic shortages
Businesses can up the wages and perks to fill the vacancys quickly or they can close and be replaced with newer market entrants. That's capitalism. I'll never support orwellian style employment.
‘Orwellian style employment’ have you just made that up?
If you read more perhaps you'll come across it. I don't support stupid business practice no.
Neither do I, that is why I support a decent minimum wage that will eradicate ‘cheap ‘ labour
Me too, but how do we achieve that with freedom of movement? Businesses can just outsource entirely or even leave altogether. There's no bargaining power in government. Most MPs just fill their pockets and look the other way.
What had freedom of movement go to do with it? If you pay a decent minimum wage there will be no such things as ‘cheap’ labour "Because the workforce moving in work for buttons. They send the money back home that's why it's majority males coming over the wives, children etc. stay home. This drains wealth from the country because it's not redistributed into domestic commerce. | |||
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"Brexit is bad I get it but we're (The Irish) still heading over in our droves as there are so many well paid work opportunities esp in construction. Only downside being the cost of housing/accommodation. Many guys here work in England during the week and return home at weekends as the money over there is good.
thats how free movement works, both parties benefit
Then why did the leave vote win?
Because people are confused as fuck and think foreigners are the problem and that the Taliban are "running things now". See above.
Clearly a joke prior.
So everyone who doesn't agree with unlimited mass migration with no clear economical outcome or planned sustainability other than throwing people into refugee camps and hostels is... wait for it... *drum roll* Racist...
How free and liberal are the countries they are migrating from?
As the chap above said EU nations are putting up fences.
Leave your front door unlocked for the rest of your life. See where your utopian ideals land you.
My god...
"unlimited mass migration with no clear economical outcome or planned sustainability other than throwing people into refugee camps and hostels"
Where is this happening then, apart from the pages of the Express/Sun/Mail?
"How free and liberal are the countries they are migrating from? "
Absolutely, these people are desperately looking for a new life for themselves.
Not sure why you associate not blaming Foreigners for everything, with leaving your door unlocked.
You for real... Greece. Poland Italy. They're rotting to death in EU camps in Libya too.
There isn't the work or housing able to sustain it here and it's majority fighting age males with little marriage opportunities shipping over.
If we invested in their countries markets instead of vaporising them they would have been fine. Your beloved globalist institutions didn't want new market competition.
I'm not blaming foreigners at all. I just understand that poverty is the mother of crime. It's heat or eat for most people in England already. The doors have closed.
Why does the UK now have chronic shortages of available labour in many industries ?
Because the pay isn't good enough to attract native workers. I'm sure they'll reach the correct conclusion.
Not true, these ‘native’ workers don’t want the work or have other jobs, I keep being reminded how low the unemployment rate is.
There's plenty of unemployed they just don't want to leave universal credit for the opportunity to bring in less money. They're all 0 or part time hour contracts. Soon as you pay travel, uniform, food etc. you're f*cked. I don't blame them.
And who does their current jobs if or when they decide to help fill these chronic shortages
Businesses can up the wages and perks to fill the vacancys quickly or they can close and be replaced with newer market entrants. That's capitalism. I'll never support orwellian style employment.
‘Orwellian style employment’ have you just made that up?
If you read more perhaps you'll come across it. I don't support stupid business practice no.
Neither do I, that is why I support a decent minimum wage that will eradicate ‘cheap ‘ labour
Me too, but how do we achieve that with freedom of movement? Businesses can just outsource entirely or even leave altogether. There's no bargaining power in government. Most MPs just fill their pockets and look the other way.
What had freedom of movement go to do with it? If you pay a decent minimum wage there will be no such things as ‘cheap’ labour
Because the workforce moving in work for buttons. They send the money back home that's why it's majority males coming over the wives, children etc. stay home. This drains wealth from the country because it's not redistributed into domestic commerce."You do realise that wages can be set by the UK government to stop people working "for buttons?" | |||
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"Brexit is bad I get it but we're (The Irish) still heading over in our droves as there are so many well paid work opportunities esp in construction. Only downside being the cost of housing/accommodation. Many guys here work in England during the week and return home at weekends as the money over there is good.
thats how free movement works, both parties benefit
Then why did the leave vote win?
Because people are confused as fuck and think foreigners are the problem and that the Taliban are "running things now". See above.
Clearly a joke prior.
So everyone who doesn't agree with unlimited mass migration with no clear economical outcome or planned sustainability other than throwing people into refugee camps and hostels is... wait for it... *drum roll* Racist...
How free and liberal are the countries they are migrating from?
As the chap above said EU nations are putting up fences.
Leave your front door unlocked for the rest of your life. See where your utopian ideals land you.
My god...
"unlimited mass migration with no clear economical outcome or planned sustainability other than throwing people into refugee camps and hostels"
Where is this happening then, apart from the pages of the Express/Sun/Mail?
"How free and liberal are the countries they are migrating from? "
Absolutely, these people are desperately looking for a new life for themselves.
Not sure why you associate not blaming Foreigners for everything, with leaving your door unlocked.
You for real... Greece. Poland Italy. They're rotting to death in EU camps in Libya too.
There isn't the work or housing able to sustain it here and it's majority fighting age males with little marriage opportunities shipping over.
If we invested in their countries markets instead of vaporising them they would have been fine. Your beloved globalist institutions didn't want new market competition.
I'm not blaming foreigners at all. I just understand that poverty is the mother of crime. It's heat or eat for most people in England already. The doors have closed.
Why does the UK now have chronic shortages of available labour in many industries ?
Because the pay isn't good enough to attract native workers. I'm sure they'll reach the correct conclusion.
Not true, these ‘native’ workers don’t want the work or have other jobs, I keep being reminded how low the unemployment rate is.
There's plenty of unemployed they just don't want to leave universal credit for the opportunity to bring in less money. They're all 0 or part time hour contracts. Soon as you pay travel, uniform, food etc. you're f*cked. I don't blame them.
And who does their current jobs if or when they decide to help fill these chronic shortages
Businesses can up the wages and perks to fill the vacancys quickly or they can close and be replaced with newer market entrants. That's capitalism. I'll never support orwellian style employment.
‘Orwellian style employment’ have you just made that up?
If you read more perhaps you'll come across it. I don't support stupid business practice no.
Neither do I, that is why I support a decent minimum wage that will eradicate ‘cheap ‘ labour
Me too, but how do we achieve that with freedom of movement? Businesses can just outsource entirely or even leave altogether. There's no bargaining power in government. Most MPs just fill their pockets and look the other way.
What had freedom of movement go to do with it? If you pay a decent minimum wage there will be no such things as ‘cheap’ labour
Because the workforce moving in work for buttons. They send the money back home that's why it's majority males coming over the wives, children etc. stay home. This drains wealth from the country because it's not redistributed into domestic commerce."How can they work for buttons if we have a decent minimum wage? | |||
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"Brexit is bad I get it but we're (The Irish) still heading over in our droves as there are so many well paid work opportunities esp in construction. Only downside being the cost of housing/accommodation. Many guys here work in England during the week and return home at weekends as the money over there is good.
thats how free movement works, both parties benefit
Then why did the leave vote win?
Because people are confused as fuck and think foreigners are the problem and that the Taliban are "running things now". See above.
Clearly a joke prior.
So everyone who doesn't agree with unlimited mass migration with no clear economical outcome or planned sustainability other than throwing people into refugee camps and hostels is... wait for it... *drum roll* Racist...
How free and liberal are the countries they are migrating from?
As the chap above said EU nations are putting up fences.
Leave your front door unlocked for the rest of your life. See where your utopian ideals land you.
My god...
"unlimited mass migration with no clear economical outcome or planned sustainability other than throwing people into refugee camps and hostels"
Where is this happening then, apart from the pages of the Express/Sun/Mail?
"How free and liberal are the countries they are migrating from? "
Absolutely, these people are desperately looking for a new life for themselves.
Not sure why you associate not blaming Foreigners for everything, with leaving your door unlocked.
You for real... Greece. Poland Italy. They're rotting to death in EU camps in Libya too.
There isn't the work or housing able to sustain it here and it's majority fighting age males with little marriage opportunities shipping over.
If we invested in their countries markets instead of vaporising them they would have been fine. Your beloved globalist institutions didn't want new market competition.
I'm not blaming foreigners at all. I just understand that poverty is the mother of crime. It's heat or eat for most people in England already. The doors have closed.
Why does the UK now have chronic shortages of available labour in many industries ?
Because the pay isn't good enough to attract native workers. I'm sure they'll reach the correct conclusion.
Not true, these ‘native’ workers don’t want the work or have other jobs, I keep being reminded how low the unemployment rate is.
There's plenty of unemployed they just don't want to leave universal credit for the opportunity to bring in less money. They're all 0 or part time hour contracts. Soon as you pay travel, uniform, food etc. you're f*cked. I don't blame them.
And who does their current jobs if or when they decide to help fill these chronic shortages
Businesses can up the wages and perks to fill the vacancys quickly or they can close and be replaced with newer market entrants. That's capitalism. I'll never support orwellian style employment.
‘Orwellian style employment’ have you just made that up?
If you read more perhaps you'll come across it. I don't support stupid business practice no.
Neither do I, that is why I support a decent minimum wage that will eradicate ‘cheap ‘ labour
Me too, but how do we achieve that with freedom of movement? Businesses can just outsource entirely or even leave altogether. There's no bargaining power in government. Most MPs just fill their pockets and look the other way.
What had freedom of movement go to do with it? If you pay a decent minimum wage there will be no such things as ‘cheap’ labour
Because the workforce moving in work for buttons. They send the money back home that's why it's majority males coming over the wives, children etc. stay home. This drains wealth from the country because it's not redistributed into domestic commerce."And they have to pay tax, buy food, transport, accommodations etc etc etc | |||
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"So we've moved from foreigners to unemployed people. Amazing. It's almost as if Brexit not a good idea.
So you want to increase migration to increase unemployment.
That's a bizarre assertion to make. It's based on your fundamental misunderstanding of the situation, combined with an incorrect assumption that anyone who understands the impact of brexit, wants to increase immigration. .
Nothing but hyperbole but okay. Enlighten me then. The floodgates open then what.
What floodgates?
There is no flood of immigrants coming here. You've been had, convinced to vote for brexit because "those lot are coming over here" etc etc.
I voted remain I've just changed my mind. I've stated the countries previously. It's not just the UK. Cop26 has literally just acknowledged mass displacement due to climate change/drought. i.e famine. Give it a few more years and you'll see.
So what's the solution to the displaced people due to inaction on climate change?"There is none. Green energy will help lower emissions but the soil in the growing countries is damaged for decades possibly centuries now. That's what the UN is currently trying to slowly spell out to people who are brianwashed with consumerism and instagram. See Malthusian Theory of Population. | |||
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"Brexit is bad I get it but we're (The Irish) still heading over in our droves as there are so many well paid work opportunities esp in construction. Only downside being the cost of housing/accommodation. Many guys here work in England during the week and return home at weekends as the money over there is good.
thats how free movement works, both parties benefit
Then why did the leave vote win?
Because people are confused as fuck and think foreigners are the problem and that the Taliban are "running things now". See above.
Clearly a joke prior.
So everyone who doesn't agree with unlimited mass migration with no clear economical outcome or planned sustainability other than throwing people into refugee camps and hostels is... wait for it... *drum roll* Racist...
How free and liberal are the countries they are migrating from?
As the chap above said EU nations are putting up fences.
Leave your front door unlocked for the rest of your life. See where your utopian ideals land you.
My god...
"unlimited mass migration with no clear economical outcome or planned sustainability other than throwing people into refugee camps and hostels"
Where is this happening then, apart from the pages of the Express/Sun/Mail?
"How free and liberal are the countries they are migrating from? "
Absolutely, these people are desperately looking for a new life for themselves.
Not sure why you associate not blaming Foreigners for everything, with leaving your door unlocked.
You for real... Greece. Poland Italy. They're rotting to death in EU camps in Libya too.
There isn't the work or housing able to sustain it here and it's majority fighting age males with little marriage opportunities shipping over.
If we invested in their countries markets instead of vaporising them they would have been fine. Your beloved globalist institutions didn't want new market competition.
I'm not blaming foreigners at all. I just understand that poverty is the mother of crime. It's heat or eat for most people in England already. The doors have closed.
Why does the UK now have chronic shortages of available labour in many industries ?
Because the pay isn't good enough to attract native workers. I'm sure they'll reach the correct conclusion.
Not true, these ‘native’ workers don’t want the work or have other jobs, I keep being reminded how low the unemployment rate is.
There's plenty of unemployed they just don't want to leave universal credit for the opportunity to bring in less money. They're all 0 or part time hour contracts. Soon as you pay travel, uniform, food etc. you're f*cked. I don't blame them.
And who does their current jobs if or when they decide to help fill these chronic shortages
Businesses can up the wages and perks to fill the vacancys quickly or they can close and be replaced with newer market entrants. That's capitalism. I'll never support orwellian style employment.
‘Orwellian style employment’ have you just made that up?
If you read more perhaps you'll come across it. I don't support stupid business practice no.
Neither do I, that is why I support a decent minimum wage that will eradicate ‘cheap ‘ labour
Me too, but how do we achieve that with freedom of movement? Businesses can just outsource entirely or even leave altogether. There's no bargaining power in government. Most MPs just fill their pockets and look the other way.
What had freedom of movement go to do with it? If you pay a decent minimum wage there will be no such things as ‘cheap’ labour
Because the workforce moving in work for buttons. They send the money back home that's why it's majority males coming over the wives, children etc. stay home. This drains wealth from the country because it's not redistributed into domestic commerce.
How can they work for buttons if we have a decent minimum wage? "Why would a business voluntarily increase their wages for no reason? The UK government only ever raises m.w to keep up with inflation, Tories, labour get lobbied every election. The bulk of migrant profits still leave the system compared to a native worker. Why do you think China has such a strict immigration policy. Because they make all the stuff and hoard the income... | |||
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"Brexit is bad I get it but we're (The Irish) still heading over in our droves as there are so many well paid work opportunities esp in construction. Only downside being the cost of housing/accommodation. Many guys here work in England during the week and return home at weekends as the money over there is good.
thats how free movement works, both parties benefit
Then why did the leave vote win?
Because people are confused as fuck and think foreigners are the problem and that the Taliban are "running things now". See above.
Clearly a joke prior.
So everyone who doesn't agree with unlimited mass migration with no clear economical outcome or planned sustainability other than throwing people into refugee camps and hostels is... wait for it... *drum roll* Racist...
How free and liberal are the countries they are migrating from?
As the chap above said EU nations are putting up fences.
Leave your front door unlocked for the rest of your life. See where your utopian ideals land you.
My god...
"unlimited mass migration with no clear economical outcome or planned sustainability other than throwing people into refugee camps and hostels"
Where is this happening then, apart from the pages of the Express/Sun/Mail?
"How free and liberal are the countries they are migrating from? "
Absolutely, these people are desperately looking for a new life for themselves.
Not sure why you associate not blaming Foreigners for everything, with leaving your door unlocked.
You for real... Greece. Poland Italy. They're rotting to death in EU camps in Libya too.
There isn't the work or housing able to sustain it here and it's majority fighting age males with little marriage opportunities shipping over.
If we invested in their countries markets instead of vaporising them they would have been fine. Your beloved globalist institutions didn't want new market competition.
I'm not blaming foreigners at all. I just understand that poverty is the mother of crime. It's heat or eat for most people in England already. The doors have closed.
Why does the UK now have chronic shortages of available labour in many industries ?
Because the pay isn't good enough to attract native workers. I'm sure they'll reach the correct conclusion.
Not true, these ‘native’ workers don’t want the work or have other jobs, I keep being reminded how low the unemployment rate is.
There's plenty of unemployed they just don't want to leave universal credit for the opportunity to bring in less money. They're all 0 or part time hour contracts. Soon as you pay travel, uniform, food etc. you're f*cked. I don't blame them.
And who does their current jobs if or when they decide to help fill these chronic shortages
Businesses can up the wages and perks to fill the vacancys quickly or they can close and be replaced with newer market entrants. That's capitalism. I'll never support orwellian style employment.
‘Orwellian style employment’ have you just made that up?
If you read more perhaps you'll come across it. I don't support stupid business practice no.
Neither do I, that is why I support a decent minimum wage that will eradicate ‘cheap ‘ labour
Me too, but how do we achieve that with freedom of movement? Businesses can just outsource entirely or even leave altogether. There's no bargaining power in government. Most MPs just fill their pockets and look the other way.
What had freedom of movement go to do with it? If you pay a decent minimum wage there will be no such things as ‘cheap’ labour
Because the workforce moving in work for buttons. They send the money back home that's why it's majority males coming over the wives, children etc. stay home. This drains wealth from the country because it's not redistributed into domestic commerce.
How can they work for buttons if we have a decent minimum wage?
Why would a business voluntarily increase their wages for no reason? The UK government only ever raises m.w to keep up with inflation, Tories, labour get lobbied every election. The bulk of migrant profits still leave the system compared to a native worker. Why do you think China has such a strict immigration policy. Because they make all the stuff and hoard the income..."So do you class everyone on the minimum wage as ‘cheap labour’ ? Have your wages increased since Brexit? | |||
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"UK’s Brexit losses more than 178 times bigger than trade deal gains. Just a reminder what the thread is supposed to be about." Fair enough | |||
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"Brexit is bad I get it but we're (The Irish) still heading over in our droves as there are so many well paid work opportunities esp in construction. Only downside being the cost of housing/accommodation. Many guys here work in England during the week and return home at weekends as the money over there is good.
thats how free movement works, both parties benefit
Then why did the leave vote win?
Because people are confused as fuck and think foreigners are the problem and that the Taliban are "running things now". See above.
Clearly a joke prior.
So everyone who doesn't agree with unlimited mass migration with no clear economical outcome or planned sustainability other than throwing people into refugee camps and hostels is... wait for it... *drum roll* Racist...
How free and liberal are the countries they are migrating from?
As the chap above said EU nations are putting up fences.
Leave your front door unlocked for the rest of your life. See where your utopian ideals land you.
My god...
"unlimited mass migration with no clear economical outcome or planned sustainability other than throwing people into refugee camps and hostels"
Where is this happening then, apart from the pages of the Express/Sun/Mail?
"How free and liberal are the countries they are migrating from? "
Absolutely, these people are desperately looking for a new life for themselves.
Not sure why you associate not blaming Foreigners for everything, with leaving your door unlocked.
You for real... Greece. Poland Italy. They're rotting to death in EU camps in Libya too.
There isn't the work or housing able to sustain it here and it's majority fighting age males with little marriage opportunities shipping over.
If we invested in their countries markets instead of vaporising them they would have been fine. Your beloved globalist institutions didn't want new market competition.
I'm not blaming foreigners at all. I just understand that poverty is the mother of crime. It's heat or eat for most people in England already. The doors have closed.
Why does the UK now have chronic shortages of available labour in many industries ?
Because the pay isn't good enough to attract native workers. I'm sure they'll reach the correct conclusion.
Not true, these ‘native’ workers don’t want the work or have other jobs, I keep being reminded how low the unemployment rate is.
There's plenty of unemployed they just don't want to leave universal credit for the opportunity to bring in less money. They're all 0 or part time hour contracts. Soon as you pay travel, uniform, food etc. you're f*cked. I don't blame them.
And who does their current jobs if or when they decide to help fill these chronic shortages
Businesses can up the wages and perks to fill the vacancys quickly or they can close and be replaced with newer market entrants. That's capitalism. I'll never support orwellian style employment.
‘Orwellian style employment’ have you just made that up?
If you read more perhaps you'll come across it. I don't support stupid business practice no.
Neither do I, that is why I support a decent minimum wage that will eradicate ‘cheap ‘ labour
Me too, but how do we achieve that with freedom of movement? Businesses can just outsource entirely or even leave altogether. There's no bargaining power in government. Most MPs just fill their pockets and look the other way.
What had freedom of movement go to do with it? If you pay a decent minimum wage there will be no such things as ‘cheap’ labour
Because the workforce moving in work for buttons. They send the money back home that's why it's majority males coming over the wives, children etc. stay home. This drains wealth from the country because it's not redistributed into domestic commerce.
How can they work for buttons if we have a decent minimum wage?
Why would a business voluntarily increase their wages for no reason? The UK government only ever raises m.w to keep up with inflation, Tories, labour get lobbied every election. The bulk of migrant profits still leave the system compared to a native worker. Why do you think China has such a strict immigration policy. Because they make all the stuff and hoard the income...
So do you class everyone on the minimum wage as ‘cheap labour’ ? Have your wages increased since Brexit? "Where did I say that?.. I only work for salary now and yes actually but that's not your business lol. | |||
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"Brexit is bad I get it but we're (The Irish) still heading over in our droves as there are so many well paid work opportunities esp in construction. Only downside being the cost of housing/accommodation. Many guys here work in England during the week and return home at weekends as the money over there is good.
thats how free movement works, both parties benefit
"I'm just confused as to what problems brexit is causing exactly. Lots of well paid jobs (for us anyway) High property prices (same in Ireland) Shortage of HGV drivers (same in Ireland) Lots of Eastern Europeans leaving (same for us to as rising cost of living while Lots of jobs closer to home in Poland and countries close to Poland such as Germany and Holland) Did Ireland leave the EU as well? | |||
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"Brexit is bad I get it but we're (The Irish) still heading over in our droves as there are so many well paid work opportunities esp in construction. Only downside being the cost of housing/accommodation. Many guys here work in England during the week and return home at weekends as the money over there is good.
thats how free movement works, both parties benefit
I'm just confused as to what problems brexit is causing exactly.
Lots of well paid jobs (for us anyway)
High property prices (same in Ireland)
Shortage of HGV drivers (same in Ireland)
Lots of Eastern Europeans leaving (same for us to as rising cost of living while Lots of jobs closer to home in Poland and countries close to Poland such as Germany and Holland)
Did Ireland leave the EU as well?
"Where are these ‘well paid jobs’ and have they been created by Brexit ? | |||
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"Brexit is bad I get it but we're (The Irish) still heading over in our droves as there are so many well paid work opportunities esp in construction. Only downside being the cost of housing/accommodation. Many guys here work in England during the week and return home at weekends as the money over there is good.
thats how free movement works, both parties benefit
I'm just confused as to what problems brexit is causing exactly.
Lots of well paid jobs (for us anyway)
High property prices (same in Ireland)
Shortage of HGV drivers (same in Ireland)
Lots of Eastern Europeans leaving (same for us to as rising cost of living while Lots of jobs closer to home in Poland and countries close to Poland such as Germany and Holland)
Did Ireland leave the EU as well?
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"Brexit is bad I get it but we're (The Irish) still heading over in our droves as there are so many well paid work opportunities esp in construction. Only downside being the cost of housing/accommodation. Many guys here work in England during the week and return home at weekends as the money over there is good.
thats how free movement works, both parties benefit
I'm just confused as to what problems brexit is causing exactly.
Lots of well paid jobs (for us anyway)
High property prices (same in Ireland)
Shortage of HGV drivers (same in Ireland)
Lots of Eastern Europeans leaving (same for us to as rising cost of living while Lots of jobs closer to home in Poland and countries close to Poland such as Germany and Holland)
Did Ireland leave the EU as well?
"Are you suggesting that brexit is the only thing that causes problems? There are a myriad of issues going on in the world. The UK is the only country that voted for the huge brexit turd to be dropped down from a great height. | |||
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"Brexit is bad I get it but we're (The Irish) still heading over in our droves as there are so many well paid work opportunities esp in construction. Only downside being the cost of housing/accommodation. Many guys here work in England during the week and return home at weekends as the money over there is good.
thats how free movement works, both parties benefit
I'm just confused as to what problems brexit is causing exactly.
Lots of well paid jobs (for us anyway)
High property prices (same in Ireland)
Shortage of HGV drivers (same in Ireland)
Lots of Eastern Europeans leaving (same for us to as rising cost of living while Lots of jobs closer to home in Poland and countries close to Poland such as Germany and Holland)
Did Ireland leave the EU as well?
Btw, did you read the OP "Yes but everytime I read these Brexit posts and I'm intrigued so add my thoughts or ask questions | |||
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"Brexit is bad I get it but we're (The Irish) still heading over in our droves as there are so many well paid work opportunities esp in construction. Only downside being the cost of housing/accommodation. Many guys here work in England during the week and return home at weekends as the money over there is good.
thats how free movement works, both parties benefit
I'm just confused as to what problems brexit is causing exactly.
Lots of well paid jobs (for us anyway)
High property prices (same in Ireland)
Shortage of HGV drivers (same in Ireland)
Lots of Eastern Europeans leaving (same for us to as rising cost of living while Lots of jobs closer to home in Poland and countries close to Poland such as Germany and Holland)
Did Ireland leave the EU as well?
Where are these ‘well paid jobs’ and have they been created by Brexit ?"I know a lot of carpenters working in various parts of the UK earning 30 pounds an hour and most guys I know working construction in London don't leave the house for anything less than 300pound a day | |||
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"Brexit is bad I get it but we're (The Irish) still heading over in our droves as there are so many well paid work opportunities esp in construction. Only downside being the cost of housing/accommodation. Many guys here work in England during the week and return home at weekends as the money over there is good.
thats how free movement works, both parties benefit
I'm just confused as to what problems brexit is causing exactly.
Lots of well paid jobs (for us anyway)
High property prices (same in Ireland)
Shortage of HGV drivers (same in Ireland)
Lots of Eastern Europeans leaving (same for us to as rising cost of living while Lots of jobs closer to home in Poland and countries close to Poland such as Germany and Holland)
Did Ireland leave the EU as well?
Are you suggesting that brexit is the only thing that causes problems?
There are a myriad of issues going on in the world.
The UK is the only country that voted for the huge brexit turd to be dropped down from a great height.
"It just intrigues me that every problem in the UK is put down to brexit even when the same problems exist in other countries at the same time | |||
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"Brexit is bad I get it but we're (The Irish) still heading over in our droves as there are so many well paid work opportunities esp in construction. Only downside being the cost of housing/accommodation. Many guys here work in England during the week and return home at weekends as the money over there is good.
thats how free movement works, both parties benefit
I'm just confused as to what problems brexit is causing exactly.
Lots of well paid jobs (for us anyway)
High property prices (same in Ireland)
Shortage of HGV drivers (same in Ireland)
Lots of Eastern Europeans leaving (same for us to as rising cost of living while Lots of jobs closer to home in Poland and countries close to Poland such as Germany and Holland)
Did Ireland leave the EU as well?
Where are these ‘well paid jobs’ and have they been created by Brexit ?
I know a lot of carpenters working in various parts of the UK earning 30 pounds an hour and most guys I know working construction in London don't leave the house for anything less than 300pound a day"What were they earning before Brexit? Not great for the consumer ? | |||
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"Many years ago I myself lived and worked in England. I lived in a very multicultural inner city suburb where I still have many friends today. Lots of the friends I have from there (predominantly British Muslims of Pakistani heritage) voted leave as they were so pissed off, reason being was the neighbourhood and surrounding areas had seen a surge in crime and flytipping and general shit housery which wrongly or rightly they blamed on the large influx of Roma people who had settled in the area. That said I'm not sure if brexit has helped the situation " It didn't, the EU had absolutely no impact on fly tipping and shite housery in British cities. But they were the scapegoat for it. The right wing media and the people who are benefitting from brexit used this kind of thing in their propaganda. As a result of brexit making this country poorer, all these issues are increasing. They're currently blaming the EU (still), remainers (people who voted not for this to happen), immigrants, Greta Thornburg etc etc. And the cycle continues. | |||
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"Brexit is bad I get it but we're (The Irish) still heading over in our droves as there are so many well paid work opportunities esp in construction. Only downside being the cost of housing/accommodation. Many guys here work in England during the week and return home at weekends as the money over there is good.
thats how free movement works, both parties benefit
I'm just confused as to what problems brexit is causing exactly.
Lots of well paid jobs (for us anyway)
High property prices (same in Ireland)
Shortage of HGV drivers (same in Ireland)
Lots of Eastern Europeans leaving (same for us to as rising cost of living while Lots of jobs closer to home in Poland and countries close to Poland such as Germany and Holland)
Did Ireland leave the EU as well?
Are you suggesting that brexit is the only thing that causes problems?
There are a myriad of issues going on in the world.
The UK is the only country that voted for the huge brexit turd to be dropped down from a great height.
It just intrigues me that every problem in the UK is put down to brexit even when the same problems exist in other countries at the same time"Absolutely not every problem is caused by brexit. Most are exasperated by brexit. And some are solely caused by brexit. The upside of brexit for the UK? Zero, zilch, nothing, blue passports (which we could have had anyway). | |||
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"Brexit is bad I get it but we're (The Irish) still heading over in our droves as there are so many well paid work opportunities esp in construction. Only downside being the cost of housing/accommodation. Many guys here work in England during the week and return home at weekends as the money over there is good.
thats how free movement works, both parties benefit
I'm just confused as to what problems brexit is causing exactly.
Lots of well paid jobs (for us anyway)
High property prices (same in Ireland)
Shortage of HGV drivers (same in Ireland)
Lots of Eastern Europeans leaving (same for us to as rising cost of living while Lots of jobs closer to home in Poland and countries close to Poland such as Germany and Holland)
Did Ireland leave the EU as well?
Are you suggesting that brexit is the only thing that causes problems?
There are a myriad of issues going on in the world.
The UK is the only country that voted for the huge brexit turd to be dropped down from a great height.
It just intrigues me that every problem in the UK is put down to brexit even when the same problems exist in other countries at the same time"Did you read the OP? | |||
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"Brexit is bad I get it but we're (The Irish) still heading over in our droves as there are so many well paid work opportunities esp in construction. Only downside being the cost of housing/accommodation. Many guys here work in England during the week and return home at weekends as the money over there is good.
thats how free movement works, both parties benefit
I'm just confused as to what problems brexit is causing exactly.
Lots of well paid jobs (for us anyway)
High property prices (same in Ireland)
Shortage of HGV drivers (same in Ireland)
Lots of Eastern Europeans leaving (same for us to as rising cost of living while Lots of jobs closer to home in Poland and countries close to Poland such as Germany and Holland)
Did Ireland leave the EU as well?
Are you suggesting that brexit is the only thing that causes problems?
There are a myriad of issues going on in the world.
The UK is the only country that voted for the huge brexit turd to be dropped down from a great height.
It just intrigues me that every problem in the UK is put down to brexit even when the same problems exist in other countries at the same time
Did you read the OP? "Yes but as with all Brexit threads they go off on a tangent or several tangents. ( I'm not going to Google the study or research referenced by the OP) | |||
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"Brexit is bad I get it but we're (The Irish) still heading over in our droves as there are so many well paid work opportunities esp in construction. Only downside being the cost of housing/accommodation. Many guys here work in England during the week and return home at weekends as the money over there is good.
thats how free movement works, both parties benefit
I'm just confused as to what problems brexit is causing exactly.
Lots of well paid jobs (for us anyway)
High property prices (same in Ireland)
Shortage of HGV drivers (same in Ireland)
Lots of Eastern Europeans leaving (same for us to as rising cost of living while Lots of jobs closer to home in Poland and countries close to Poland such as Germany and Holland)
Did Ireland leave the EU as well?
Where are these ‘well paid jobs’ and have they been created by Brexit ?
I know a lot of carpenters working in various parts of the UK earning 30 pounds an hour and most guys I know working construction in London don't leave the house for anything less than 300pound a day
What were they earning before Brexit? Not great for the consumer ?"TBH construction work has always been quite well paid in the UK compared to Ireland and with huge projects like Crossrail, HS2,London supersewer and Hinkly point to name a few demand for experienced construction workers has pushed wages up | |||
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