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"This is a beauty. An independent inquiry found that former cabinet minister Owen Paterson committed an “egregious” breach of lobbying rules. (He lobbied ministers and officials for 2 companies paying him more than £100,000 a year.) But it gets better. He was supposed to get a 30 day suspension. (And yes that's a pathetic punishment.) But gov whips are telling Tory MPs to vote against imposing the suspension by backing an amendment arguing the probe into his behaviour was flawed. And they want to set up a new committee to "review" the evidence, headed by a Tory. So... here we have not just the initial corruption of a Tory MP taking a bung to lobby. But also the case of the Tory party trying to tear up the rules when they don't go their way." Standard Tory behaviour | |||
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"This is a beauty. An independent inquiry found that former cabinet minister Owen Paterson committed an “egregious” breach of lobbying rules. (He lobbied ministers and officials for 2 companies paying him more than £100,000 a year.) But it gets better. He was supposed to get a 30 day suspension. (And yes that's a pathetic punishment.) But gov whips are telling Tory MPs to vote against imposing the suspension by backing an amendment arguing the probe into his behaviour was flawed. And they want to set up a new committee to "review" the evidence, headed by a Tory. So... here we have not just the initial corruption of a Tory MP taking a bung to lobby. But also the case of the Tory party trying to tear up the rules when they don't go their way. Standard Tory behaviour " It's an indefensible one, not just for the Tory MP in question, but also for the whole party. (Only a matter of time until somebody pops up and says "ahhhhh they're all the same.") | |||
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"Interestingly the 50 odd that signed up to the amendment have in total around £1m in "outside interests". It's almost as if they want to change the rules so they can get away with it too." C-can I go change some laws and rules I don't like too? That'd be spiffing. | |||
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"This is a beauty. An independent inquiry found that former cabinet minister Owen Paterson committed an “egregious” breach of lobbying rules. (He lobbied ministers and officials for 2 companies paying him more than £100,000 a year.) But it gets better. He was supposed to get a 30 day suspension. (And yes that's a pathetic punishment.) But gov whips are telling Tory MPs to vote against imposing the suspension by backing an amendment arguing the probe into his behaviour was flawed. And they want to set up a new committee to "review" the evidence, headed by a Tory. So... here we have not just the initial corruption of a Tory MP taking a bung to lobby. But also the case of the Tory party trying to tear up the rules when they don't go their way. Standard Tory behaviour It's an indefensible one, not just for the Tory MP in question, but also for the whole party. (Only a matter of time until somebody pops up and says "ahhhhh they're all the same.")" Yes, the ‘they are all corrupt nothing to see here’ brigade will be along here soon  | |||
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"This is a beauty. An independent inquiry found that former cabinet minister Owen Paterson committed an “egregious” breach of lobbying rules. (He lobbied ministers and officials for 2 companies paying him more than £100,000 a year.) But it gets better. He was supposed to get a 30 day suspension. (And yes that's a pathetic punishment.) But gov whips are telling Tory MPs to vote against imposing the suspension by backing an amendment arguing the probe into his behaviour was flawed. And they want to set up a new committee to "review" the evidence, headed by a Tory. So... here we have not just the initial corruption of a Tory MP taking a bung to lobby. But also the case of the Tory party trying to tear up the rules when they don't go their way. Standard Tory behaviour " Common politicians behaviour! | |||
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"This is a beauty. An independent inquiry found that former cabinet minister Owen Paterson committed an “egregious” breach of lobbying rules. (He lobbied ministers and officials for 2 companies paying him more than £100,000 a year.) But it gets better. He was supposed to get a 30 day suspension. (And yes that's a pathetic punishment.) But gov whips are telling Tory MPs to vote against imposing the suspension by backing an amendment arguing the probe into his behaviour was flawed. And they want to set up a new committee to "review" the evidence, headed by a Tory. So... here we have not just the initial corruption of a Tory MP taking a bung to lobby. But also the case of the Tory party trying to tear up the rules when they don't go their way. Standard Tory behaviour Common politicians behaviour!" There you go, didn’t take long | |||
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"This is a beauty. An independent inquiry found that former cabinet minister Owen Paterson committed an “egregious” breach of lobbying rules. (He lobbied ministers and officials for 2 companies paying him more than £100,000 a year.) But it gets better. He was supposed to get a 30 day suspension. (And yes that's a pathetic punishment.) But gov whips are telling Tory MPs to vote against imposing the suspension by backing an amendment arguing the probe into his behaviour was flawed. And they want to set up a new committee to "review" the evidence, headed by a Tory. So... here we have not just the initial corruption of a Tory MP taking a bung to lobby. But also the case of the Tory party trying to tear up the rules when they don't go their way. Standard Tory behaviour Common politicians behaviour! There you go, didn’t take long "Record time eh? | |||
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"This is a beauty. An independent inquiry found that former cabinet minister Owen Paterson committed an “egregious” breach of lobbying rules. (He lobbied ministers and officials for 2 companies paying him more than £100,000 a year.) But it gets better. He was supposed to get a 30 day suspension. (And yes that's a pathetic punishment.) But gov whips are telling Tory MPs to vote against imposing the suspension by backing an amendment arguing the probe into his behaviour was flawed. And they want to set up a new committee to "review" the evidence, headed by a Tory. So... here we have not just the initial corruption of a Tory MP taking a bung to lobby. But also the case of the Tory party trying to tear up the rules when they don't go their way. Standard Tory behaviour Common politicians behaviour! There you go, didn’t take long
Record time eh?"It was fast, I have seen faster but it was a good effort | |||
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"This is a beauty. An independent inquiry found that former cabinet minister Owen Paterson committed an “egregious” breach of lobbying rules. (He lobbied ministers and officials for 2 companies paying him more than £100,000 a year.) But it gets better. He was supposed to get a 30 day suspension. (And yes that's a pathetic punishment.) But gov whips are telling Tory MPs to vote against imposing the suspension by backing an amendment arguing the probe into his behaviour was flawed. And they want to set up a new committee to "review" the evidence, headed by a Tory. So... here we have not just the initial corruption of a Tory MP taking a bung to lobby. But also the case of the Tory party trying to tear up the rules when they don't go their way. Standard Tory behaviour It's an indefensible one, not just for the Tory MP in question, but also for the whole party. (Only a matter of time until somebody pops up and says "ahhhhh they're all the same.")" Have you considered the Corbyn argument in defence of Tory corruption? Is usually goes like this. "What about Corbyn". | |||
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"This is a beauty. An independent inquiry found that former cabinet minister Owen Paterson committed an “egregious” breach of lobbying rules. (He lobbied ministers and officials for 2 companies paying him more than £100,000 a year.) But it gets better. He was supposed to get a 30 day suspension. (And yes that's a pathetic punishment.) But gov whips are telling Tory MPs to vote against imposing the suspension by backing an amendment arguing the probe into his behaviour was flawed. And they want to set up a new committee to "review" the evidence, headed by a Tory. So... here we have not just the initial corruption of a Tory MP taking a bung to lobby. But also the case of the Tory party trying to tear up the rules when they don't go their way. Standard Tory behaviour Common politicians behaviour! There you go, didn’t take long
Record time eh?
It was fast, I have seen faster but it was a good effort "Cast your minds back to the expenses scandal. Smartarses! | |||
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"This is a beauty. An independent inquiry found that former cabinet minister Owen Paterson committed an “egregious” breach of lobbying rules. (He lobbied ministers and officials for 2 companies paying him more than £100,000 a year.) But it gets better. He was supposed to get a 30 day suspension. (And yes that's a pathetic punishment.) But gov whips are telling Tory MPs to vote against imposing the suspension by backing an amendment arguing the probe into his behaviour was flawed. And they want to set up a new committee to "review" the evidence, headed by a Tory. So... here we have not just the initial corruption of a Tory MP taking a bung to lobby. But also the case of the Tory party trying to tear up the rules when they don't go their way. Standard Tory behaviour Common politicians behaviour! There you go, didn’t take long
Record time eh?
It was fast, I have seen faster but it was a good effort
Cast your minds back to the expenses scandal. Smartarses! "Tetchy, yes, it was a disgrace, however, we are taking about something else | |||
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"This is a beauty. An independent inquiry found that former cabinet minister Owen Paterson committed an “egregious” breach of lobbying rules. (He lobbied ministers and officials for 2 companies paying him more than £100,000 a year.) But it gets better. He was supposed to get a 30 day suspension. (And yes that's a pathetic punishment.) But gov whips are telling Tory MPs to vote against imposing the suspension by backing an amendment arguing the probe into his behaviour was flawed. And they want to set up a new committee to "review" the evidence, headed by a Tory. So... here we have not just the initial corruption of a Tory MP taking a bung to lobby. But also the case of the Tory party trying to tear up the rules when they don't go their way. Standard Tory behaviour Common politicians behaviour! There you go, didn’t take long
Record time eh?
It was fast, I have seen faster but it was a good effort
Cast your minds back to the expenses scandal. Smartarses!
Tetchy, yes, it was a disgrace, however, we are taking about something else "It cannot be defended. Simple as that | |||
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"This is a beauty. An independent inquiry found that former cabinet minister Owen Paterson committed an “egregious” breach of lobbying rules. (He lobbied ministers and officials for 2 companies paying him more than £100,000 a year.) But it gets better. He was supposed to get a 30 day suspension. (And yes that's a pathetic punishment.) But gov whips are telling Tory MPs to vote against imposing the suspension by backing an amendment arguing the probe into his behaviour was flawed. And they want to set up a new committee to "review" the evidence, headed by a Tory. So... here we have not just the initial corruption of a Tory MP taking a bung to lobby. But also the case of the Tory party trying to tear up the rules when they don't go their way. Standard Tory behaviour Common politicians behaviour! There you go, didn’t take long
Record time eh?
It was fast, I have seen faster but it was a good effort
Cast your minds back to the expenses scandal. Smartarses!
Tetchy, yes, it was a disgrace, however, we are taking about something else
It cannot be defended. Simple as that"Exactly, it’s a disgrace, and it’s going on right now in front of our eyes, they don’t care | |||
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"This is a beauty. An independent inquiry found that former cabinet minister Owen Paterson committed an “egregious” breach of lobbying rules. (He lobbied ministers and officials for 2 companies paying him more than £100,000 a year.) But it gets better. He was supposed to get a 30 day suspension. (And yes that's a pathetic punishment.) But gov whips are telling Tory MPs to vote against imposing the suspension by backing an amendment arguing the probe into his behaviour was flawed. And they want to set up a new committee to "review" the evidence, headed by a Tory. So... here we have not just the initial corruption of a Tory MP taking a bung to lobby. But also the case of the Tory party trying to tear up the rules when they don't go their way. Standard Tory behaviour Common politicians behaviour! There you go, didn’t take long
Record time eh?
It was fast, I have seen faster but it was a good effort
Cast your minds back to the expenses scandal. Smartarses!
Tetchy, yes, it was a disgrace, however, we are taking about something else
It cannot be defended. Simple as that"That won't stop some of the faithful in here from trying. I'm sure Costa will be able to reason it all away. LOL Obviously, if it were a Labour, or SNP MP in the crosshairs for this behaviour; there would be no vote happening to save their skin. Bottom line - in the last GE, the majority of voters did not consent to this shower forming a government; yet, they are in power, with a majority of 80 seats. Until the UK adopts PR for general elections - and becomes an actual democracy, like Germany, or New Zealand, etc - you can expect this sort of shit to continue. P.S. Angela must be wondering why she bothered apologising. She was only telling the truth. | |||
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"This is a beauty. An independent inquiry found that former cabinet minister Owen Paterson committed an “egregious” breach of lobbying rules. (He lobbied ministers and officials for 2 companies paying him more than £100,000 a year.) But it gets better. He was supposed to get a 30 day suspension. (And yes that's a pathetic punishment.) But gov whips are telling Tory MPs to vote against imposing the suspension by backing an amendment arguing the probe into his behaviour was flawed. And they want to set up a new committee to "review" the evidence, headed by a Tory. So... here we have not just the initial corruption of a Tory MP taking a bung to lobby. But also the case of the Tory party trying to tear up the rules when they don't go their way." I don't support it. Have never supported MP's having second jobs anyway but this makes it worse. I kind of understand they want the right to appeal like others but even so still dislike it | |||
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"This is a beauty. An independent inquiry found that former cabinet minister Owen Paterson committed an “egregious” breach of lobbying rules. (He lobbied ministers and officials for 2 companies paying him more than £100,000 a year.) But it gets better. He was supposed to get a 30 day suspension. (And yes that's a pathetic punishment.) But gov whips are telling Tory MPs to vote against imposing the suspension by backing an amendment arguing the probe into his behaviour was flawed. And they want to set up a new committee to "review" the evidence, headed by a Tory. So... here we have not just the initial corruption of a Tory MP taking a bung to lobby. But also the case of the Tory party trying to tear up the rules when they don't go their way. Standard Tory behaviour Common politicians behaviour! There you go, didn’t take long
Record time eh?
It was fast, I have seen faster but it was a good effort
Cast your minds back to the expenses scandal. Smartarses!
Tetchy, yes, it was a disgrace, however, we are taking about something else
It cannot be defended. Simple as that
That won't stop some of the faithful in here from trying. I'm sure Costa will be able to reason it all away. LOL
Obviously, if it were a Labour, or SNP MP in the crosshairs for this behaviour; there would be no vote happening to save their skin.
Bottom line - in the last GE, the majority of voters did not consent to this shower forming a government; yet, they are in power, with a majority of 80 seats.
Until the UK adopts PR for general elections - and becomes an actual democracy, like Germany, or New Zealand, etc - you can expect this sort of shit to continue.
P.S. Angela must be wondering why she bothered apologising. She was only telling the truth."I voted Tory last time and brexit too and I'm totally against this behaviour no matter which party it is. I would hope Costa is the same. However, it doesn't excuse the scum comments from ms Rayner and your support of those comments is equally unacceptable | |||
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"This is a beauty. An independent inquiry found that former cabinet minister Owen Paterson committed an “egregious” breach of lobbying rules. (He lobbied ministers and officials for 2 companies paying him more than £100,000 a year.) But it gets better. He was supposed to get a 30 day suspension. (And yes that's a pathetic punishment.) But gov whips are telling Tory MPs to vote against imposing the suspension by backing an amendment arguing the probe into his behaviour was flawed. And they want to set up a new committee to "review" the evidence, headed by a Tory. So... here we have not just the initial corruption of a Tory MP taking a bung to lobby. But also the case of the Tory party trying to tear up the rules when they don't go their way. Standard Tory behaviour Common politicians behaviour! There you go, didn’t take long
Record time eh?
It was fast, I have seen faster but it was a good effort
Cast your minds back to the expenses scandal. Smartarses!
Tetchy, yes, it was a disgrace, however, we are taking about something else
It cannot be defended. Simple as that
That won't stop some of the faithful in here from trying. I'm sure Costa will be able to reason it all away. LOL
Obviously, if it were a Labour, or SNP MP in the crosshairs for this behaviour; there would be no vote happening to save their skin.
Bottom line - in the last GE, the majority of voters did not consent to this shower forming a government; yet, they are in power, with a majority of 80 seats.
Until the UK adopts PR for general elections - and becomes an actual democracy, like Germany, or New Zealand, etc - you can expect this sort of shit to continue.
P.S. Angela must be wondering why she bothered apologising. She was only telling the truth.
I voted Tory last time and brexit too and I'm totally against this behaviour no matter which party it is. I would hope Costa is the same. However, it doesn't excuse the scum comments from ms Rayner and your support of those comments is equally unacceptable"I hope you have equal disdain for Boris’ tank top wearing bum boys comment ? Which compared to a watery stain reference is considerably worse. And for the record I’m not defending Angela’s insults. She was 50% correct with the accusation of lying though. | |||
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"I don’t think anything will change at all. Boris earned £1m in outside interests in just over two years as well as his MPs salary and expenses before he became a minister. The rules state you must not be an advocate for a business. The accused MP was clearly acting as an advocate on behalf of the two companies by making representations on their behalf. . He clearly broke the rules. Approximately one third of MPs have additional income and it is an expected bonus of the job. They will never vote to stop it. It’s disgusting and it’s just another gravy train for professional politicians. Now you can see why they are lining up to say yes Boris anything you say Boris. Just parachute me in and my vote is yours. " I don't see any motivation for the Tories not to follow the whip. I fully expect this to be voted away and that's the end of it. | |||
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"This is a beauty. An independent inquiry found that former cabinet minister Owen Paterson committed an “egregious” breach of lobbying rules. (He lobbied ministers and officials for 2 companies paying him more than £100,000 a year.) But it gets better. He was supposed to get a 30 day suspension. (And yes that's a pathetic punishment.) But gov whips are telling Tory MPs to vote against imposing the suspension by backing an amendment arguing the probe into his behaviour was flawed. And they want to set up a new committee to "review" the evidence, headed by a Tory. So... here we have not just the initial corruption of a Tory MP taking a bung to lobby. But also the case of the Tory party trying to tear up the rules when they don't go their way. Standard Tory behaviour Common politicians behaviour! There you go, didn’t take long
Record time eh?
It was fast, I have seen faster but it was a good effort
Cast your minds back to the expenses scandal. Smartarses!
Tetchy, yes, it was a disgrace, however, we are taking about something else
It cannot be defended. Simple as that
That won't stop some of the faithful in here from trying. I'm sure Costa will be able to reason it all away. LOL
Obviously, if it were a Labour, or SNP MP in the crosshairs for this behaviour; there would be no vote happening to save their skin.
Bottom line - in the last GE, the majority of voters did not consent to this shower forming a government; yet, they are in power, with a majority of 80 seats.
Until the UK adopts PR for general elections - and becomes an actual democracy, like Germany, or New Zealand, etc - you can expect this sort of shit to continue.
P.S. Angela must be wondering why she bothered apologising. She was only telling the truth.
I voted Tory last time and brexit too and I'm totally against this behaviour no matter which party it is. I would hope Costa is the same. However, it doesn't excuse the scum comments from ms Rayner and your support of those comments is equally unacceptable"Is it really? Unacceptable to you, and many like you, no doubt. However, given what has just happened, why should I not hold Tories in contempt; or the people who are happy to vote for them, knowing this is the sort of thing they're assenting to enable? How I choose to criticise them and their kind is a matter for me and my conscience and you should be defending my right to do so, not telling me that free speech is unacceptable; particularly in a case like this. After all, which is worse? Me - and others, for I am not alone - insulting Boris; or Boris allowing what just happened in Westminster? Not to mention his utter failure, to the tune of well over 100,000 deaths. Being content with, indeed supporting, this government and their kind is far more unacceptable than insulting them; certainly, in terms of damage done. | |||
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"I voted Tory last time and brexit too and I'm totally against this behaviour no matter which party it is. I would hope Costa is the same. However, it doesn't excuse the scum comments from ms Rayner and your support of those comments is equally unacceptable" Btw, are you genuinely against this behaviour? Or are you going to vote Tory next time - knowing what they've just done - too? If you are, save us all the faux outrage. | |||
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"This is a beauty. An independent inquiry found that former cabinet minister Owen Paterson committed an “egregious” breach of lobbying rules. (He lobbied ministers and officials for 2 companies paying him more than £100,000 a year.) But it gets better. He was supposed to get a 30 day suspension. (And yes that's a pathetic punishment.) But gov whips are telling Tory MPs to vote against imposing the suspension by backing an amendment arguing the probe into his behaviour was flawed. And they want to set up a new committee to "review" the evidence, headed by a Tory. So... here we have not just the initial corruption of a Tory MP taking a bung to lobby. But also the case of the Tory party trying to tear up the rules when they don't go their way. Standard Tory behaviour Common politicians behaviour! There you go, didn’t take long
Record time eh?
It was fast, I have seen faster but it was a good effort
Cast your minds back to the expenses scandal. Smartarses!
Tetchy, yes, it was a disgrace, however, we are taking about something else
It cannot be defended. Simple as that
That won't stop some of the faithful in here from trying. I'm sure Costa will be able to reason it all away. LOL
Obviously, if it were a Labour, or SNP MP in the crosshairs for this behaviour; there would be no vote happening to save their skin.
Bottom line - in the last GE, the majority of voters did not consent to this shower forming a government; yet, they are in power, with a majority of 80 seats.
Until the UK adopts PR for general elections - and becomes an actual democracy, like Germany, or New Zealand, etc - you can expect this sort of shit to continue.
P.S. Angela must be wondering why she bothered apologising. She was only telling the truth.
I voted Tory last time and brexit too and I'm totally against this behaviour no matter which party it is. I would hope Costa is the same. However, it doesn't excuse the scum comments from ms Rayner and your support of those comments is equally unacceptable
I hope you have equal disdain for Boris’ tank top wearing bum boys comment ? Which compared to a watery stain reference is considerably worse.
And for the record I’m not defending Angela’s insults. She was 50% correct with the accusation of lying though. "I cannot stand lying, cheating MP's full stop. It makes no difference to me what party they represent. I wonder if you can all say the same | |||
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"You cannot in your right mind say, after the corruption, millions on taxpayers money being given to chums in the form of dodgy contracts, mishandling of covid and the deaths of 1000s, and now bending the rulebook to protect their own, that they are the right party to lead the country." I'm not defending corruption but don't kid yourself that it applies/has only ever applied to one side of the house | |||
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"You cannot in your right mind say, after the corruption, millions on taxpayers money being given to chums in the form of dodgy contracts, mishandling of covid and the deaths of 1000s, and now bending the rulebook to protect their own, that they are the right party to lead the country. I'm not defending corruption but don't kid yourself that it applies/has only ever applied to one side of the house " Ah yes the 'both sides' argument | |||
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"You cannot in your right mind say, after the corruption, millions on taxpayers money being given to chums in the form of dodgy contracts, mishandling of covid and the deaths of 1000s, and now bending the rulebook to protect their own, that they are the right party to lead the country." It never seems to make any difference. People vote Tory no matter how much they rip off the country, line their pockets and no matter how much human shit they put into our rivers. | |||
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"You cannot in your right mind say, after the corruption, millions on taxpayers money being given to chums in the form of dodgy contracts, mishandling of covid and the deaths of 1000s, and now bending the rulebook to protect their own, that they are the right party to lead the country. It never seems to make any difference. People vote Tory no matter how much they rip off the country, line their pockets and no matter how much human shit they put into our rivers." They know their place, masters and serfs | |||
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"You cannot in your right mind say, after the corruption, millions on taxpayers money being given to chums in the form of dodgy contracts, mishandling of covid and the deaths of 1000s, and now bending the rulebook to protect their own, that they are the right party to lead the country. I'm not defending corruption but don't kid yourself that it applies/has only ever applied to one side of the house " It's not the Labour party literally changing the rules to make it easier for MPs to get away with being bribed. They voted against this. | |||
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"The whole saga is as indefensible as hell. 1 thing I haven't seen mentioned. This probably isn't even about this particular corrupt MP for Johnson. Johnson himself hates scrutiny and loves cash and freebies. He's likely destroying the watchdog committee so they can't haul him over the coals in the future." think this is a trial run for something a lot worse if they can get away with this what will they try next | |||
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"The whole saga is as indefensible as hell. 1 thing I haven't seen mentioned. This probably isn't even about this particular corrupt MP for Johnson. Johnson himself hates scrutiny and loves cash and freebies. He's likely destroying the watchdog committee so they can't haul him over the coals in the future.think this is a trial run for something a lot worse if they can get away with this what will they try next " At this point, I'm not sure there's anything they wouldn't try. | |||
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"The people who said you can't just overturn a decision because you didn't like the result today overturned a decision because they didn't like the result." Number of people shocked at this level of hypocrisy; Zero | |||
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"A rethink is now in process! Looks like Owen Paterson will have to serve his 30 days. Of course, this fulfills the criteria for recall petition. " Is the rethink down to the negative press they're recieving? And if so, were they not expecting it. | |||
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"The whole saga is as indefensible as hell. 1 thing I haven't seen mentioned. This probably isn't even about this particular corrupt MP for Johnson. Johnson himself hates scrutiny and loves cash and freebies. He's likely destroying the watchdog committee so they can't haul him over the coals in the future.think this is a trial run for something a lot worse if they can get away with this what will they try next " They already have. Look who our justice minister. It’s the deputy Prime Minister. The justice minister is supposed to keep a check on government to ensure legal rules are adhered to. How is that possible if he is also the deputy Prime Minister. Along with the restricting of legal challenges from the like of the good law project and the whistle blower restrictions, we now heading towards a politically lead judiciary. That is Russia . At what point will everyone wake up and realise democracy is disappearing? | |||
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"A rethink is now in process! Looks like Owen Paterson will have to serve his 30 days. Of course, this fulfills the criteria for recall petition. Is the rethink down to the negative press they're recieving? And if so, were they not expecting it." This is what we call a full on climb down… The problem is that the committee suggesting this punishment was cross party with a Tory majority… so for the government to make them have to vote against it looks really sleazy… plus all the Tory papers in backlash mode didn’t help!!! | |||
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"The whole saga is as indefensible as hell. 1 thing I haven't seen mentioned. This probably isn't even about this particular corrupt MP for Johnson. Johnson himself hates scrutiny and loves cash and freebies. He's likely destroying the watchdog committee so they can't haul him over the coals in the future.think this is a trial run for something a lot worse if they can get away with this what will they try next They already have. Look who our justice minister. It’s the deputy Prime Minister. The justice minister is supposed to keep a check on government to ensure legal rules are adhered to. How is that possible if he is also the deputy Prime Minister. Along with the restricting of legal challenges from the like of the good law project and the whistle blower restrictions, we now heading towards a politically lead judiciary. That is Russia . At what point will everyone wake up and realise democracy is disappearing? " This was brought in by a labour government. On 9 May 2007, the Ministry of Justice was created. The two roles of Secretary of State for Justice and Lord Chancellor have since been carried out by one person with the office-holder holding both titles. The Ministry of Justice is responsible for the courts, prisons and probation services in England and Wales.
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"A rethink is now in process! Looks like Owen Paterson will have to serve his 30 days. Of course, this fulfills the criteria for recall petition. Is the rethink down to the negative press they're recieving? And if so, were they not expecting it. This is what we call a full on climb down… The problem is that the committee suggesting this punishment was cross party with a Tory majority… so for the government to make them have to vote against it looks really sleazy… plus all the Tory papers in backlash mode didn’t help!!!" The Mail have been scathing, | |||
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"Maybe it does need reform if there is no right to appeal but Boris has scored a spectacular own goal by doing this when one of his own is under the spotlight and has left the party open to allegations of corruption. This green agenda has become an obsession and he has taken his eye off the ball." He will be gone by Xmas | |||
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"Maybe it does need reform if there is no right to appeal but Boris has scored a spectacular own goal by doing this when one of his own is under the spotlight and has left the party open to allegations of corruption. This green agenda has become an obsession and he has taken his eye off the ball. He will be gone by Xmas "yes so you keep saying i havnt forgotten im just wondering how silly you are going to feel in the new year | |||
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"Maybe it does need reform if there is no right to appeal but Boris has scored a spectacular own goal by doing this when one of his own is under the spotlight and has left the party open to allegations of corruption. This green agenda has become an obsession and he has taken his eye off the ball. He will be gone by Xmas yes so you keep saying i havnt forgotten im just wondering how silly you are going to feel in the new year "I didn’t say which Xmas  | |||
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"Maybe it does need reform if there is no right to appeal but Boris has scored a spectacular own goal by doing this when one of his own is under the spotlight and has left the party open to allegations of corruption. This green agenda has become an obsession and he has taken his eye off the ball. He will be gone by Xmas yes so you keep saying i havnt forgotten im just wondering how silly you are going to feel in the new year
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"Maybe it does need reform if there is no right to appeal but Boris has scored a spectacular own goal by doing this when one of his own is under the spotlight and has left the party open to allegations of corruption. This green agenda has become an obsession and he has taken his eye off the ball. He will be gone by Xmas yes so you keep saying i havnt forgotten im just wondering how silly you are going to feel in the new year
I didn’t say which Xmas yes i think you did when you changed your mind the second time it didnt happen. "Ha, nah, I will stick to my prediction, let’s hope he does go soon, he has been pathetic | |||
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"The whole saga is as indefensible as hell. 1 thing I haven't seen mentioned. This probably isn't even about this particular corrupt MP for Johnson. Johnson himself hates scrutiny and loves cash and freebies. He's likely destroying the watchdog committee so they can't haul him over the coals in the future.think this is a trial run for something a lot worse if they can get away with this what will they try next They already have. Look who our justice minister. It’s the deputy Prime Minister. The justice minister is supposed to keep a check on government to ensure legal rules are adhered to. How is that possible if he is also the deputy Prime Minister. Along with the restricting of legal challenges from the like of the good law project and the whistle blower restrictions, we now heading towards a politically lead judiciary. That is Russia . At what point will everyone wake up and realise democracy is disappearing? This was brought in by a labour government. On 9 May 2007, the Ministry of Justice was created. The two roles of Secretary of State for Justice and Lord Chancellor have since been carried out by one person with the office-holder holding both titles. The Ministry of Justice is responsible for the courts, prisons and probation services in England and Wales.
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Dont try to make out its a new power grab by the tories."Actually Costa… the current system we have at the moment was brought in in 2010… after the lobbying scandals and the cash for questions affair in 2009… it was one of the very first things brought in after the coalition took power
And actually this is very much a power grab because there are more potential cases coming down the road with all of them being Tory mp’s
If you are going to levy a punishment on Northern Ireland MP Ian paisley jr for lobbying scandals this was a) much worse … and b) he was stupid enough to do an interview last night where was unrepentant and said he would absolutely do it again!!!!
The tories are trying to get the system changed because I am betting that a fair few will get caught out when the numerous investigations over how covid was handled are started…..
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"The whole saga is as indefensible as hell. 1 thing I haven't seen mentioned. This probably isn't even about this particular corrupt MP for Johnson. Johnson himself hates scrutiny and loves cash and freebies. He's likely destroying the watchdog committee so they can't haul him over the coals in the future.think this is a trial run for something a lot worse if they can get away with this what will they try next They already have. Look who our justice minister. It’s the deputy Prime Minister. The justice minister is supposed to keep a check on government to ensure legal rules are adhered to. How is that possible if he is also the deputy Prime Minister. Along with the restricting of legal challenges from the like of the good law project and the whistle blower restrictions, we now heading towards a politically lead judiciary. That is Russia . At what point will everyone wake up and realise democracy is disappearing? This was brought in by a labour government. On 9 May 2007, the Ministry of Justice was created. The two roles of Secretary of State for Justice and Lord Chancellor have since been carried out by one person with the office-holder holding both titles. The Ministry of Justice is responsible for the courts, prisons and probation services in England and Wales.
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Dont try to make out its a new power grab by the tories."Please feel free to correct the legal representations in the following Leading human rights barrister Helena Kennedy QC : “It is actually constitutionally ridiculous to hold that role and be deputy prime minister. “The lord chancellor, once upon a time, told the PM when he was crossing the line on the rule of law. He had that level of independence. Unfortunately the rule of law is not high on this government's agenda.” Raab wants power over the courts to be in the hands of government. See below link. His primary aim is to abolish the HRA which is his pet project. The law system in the U.K. needs a lot of work as it is outdated and underfunded . ( no not the rich fat cats involved in property) the problems are too complicated to be addressed it seems. No It’s not a major power grab as such it’s an erosion of a job that was able to hold the PM to account but it appears now to be like the Minister for transport . A seat on the way to another job. Raab will do as Boris tells him. Buclkand delayed and diverted the rush to abolish the HRA because as an experienced QC he stated there is nothing ready in it’s place. It’s as one barrister said the problem is the Ministers are claiming they have a solution for a problem they actually don’t understand . The open democracy group have consistently asked for FOI reports into how the government make decisions and this government just ignores and states it’s all confidential. Raab should be addressing that but no he doesn’t. That’s because he’s part of the problem. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dominic-raab-human-rights-act-b1939870.html%3famp | |||
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"This is a beauty. An independent inquiry found that former cabinet minister Owen Paterson committed an “egregious” breach of lobbying rules. (He lobbied ministers and officials for 2 companies paying him more than £100,000 a year.) But it gets better. He was supposed to get a 30 day suspension. (And yes that's a pathetic punishment.) But gov whips are telling Tory MPs to vote against imposing the suspension by backing an amendment arguing the probe into his behaviour was flawed. And they want to set up a new committee to "review" the evidence, headed by a Tory. So... here we have not just the initial corruption of a Tory MP taking a bung to lobby. But also the case of the Tory party trying to tear up the rules when they don't go their way." Well think positive at least the UK has a strong political party in opposition. In Keir and Angela Rayner. Heard Angela address the HOC yesterday, I thought a fishwife had entered the room.  | |||
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"He is resigning as an mp…. I mean… what does that tell you (everyone apart from Costa… )"How embarrassing, what a mess, Boris is useless | |||
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"A rethink is now in process! Looks like Owen Paterson will have to serve his 30 days. Of course, this fulfills the criteria for recall petition. Is the rethink down to the negative press they're recieving? And if so, were they not expecting it. This is what we call a full on climb down… The problem is that the committee suggesting this punishment was cross party with a Tory majority… so for the government to make them have to vote against it looks really sleazy… plus all the Tory papers in backlash mode didn’t help!!! The Mail have been scathing, " Indeed they have, which tells you something; although the other Tory-friendly newspapers have very much soft-pedalled it. So, nowhere near all. The apparent change of heart from the Government is just the latest of a long line of screeching "Ooops! We got caught out!" U-turns. They happen because this shower think they can get away with anything; and that's partly due to them never having really been told no for much of their lives. It's worth noting that only 51/365 Tory MPs (that's roughly 14%) had enough of a moral spine to know that doing their Party's bidding, in this case, was indefensible - and they didn't do it. So, about 86% of them were either fine with it or too cowardly to oppose their own Government's blatant corruption. The fact that ANY of them even considered what they were trying to do was morally correct in any way, tells you all you need to know about Tories; and, by extension, those who empower them. They're one and the same thing. If you vote for them - especially after this episode - don't expect anyone to accept the notion that you have principles, or a moral compass. Why should they? On what grounds? If you think that's a bit harsh, you need to consider how loudly - as one of the Tory faithful - you'd have been complaining had they got away with it. | |||
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"He is resigning as an mp…. I mean… what does that tell you (everyone apart from Costa… )"Perhaps he wants to spend more time with his money? | |||
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"He is resigning as an mp…. I mean… what does that tell you (everyone apart from Costa… )"Good. Hopefully, his replacement will know the difference between right and wrong. A tall order, for sure - but you never know. Are the Lib-Dems now wetting themselves with excitement? | |||
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"The whole saga is as indefensible as hell. 1 thing I haven't seen mentioned. This probably isn't even about this particular corrupt MP for Johnson. Johnson himself hates scrutiny and loves cash and freebies. He's likely destroying the watchdog committee so they can't haul him over the coals in the future.think this is a trial run for something a lot worse if they can get away with this what will they try next They already have. Look who our justice minister. It’s the deputy Prime Minister. The justice minister is supposed to keep a check on government to ensure legal rules are adhered to. How is that possible if he is also the deputy Prime Minister. Along with the restricting of legal challenges from the like of the good law project and the whistle blower restrictions, we now heading towards a politically lead judiciary. That is Russia . At what point will everyone wake up and realise democracy is disappearing? This was brought in by a labour government. On 9 May 2007, the Ministry of Justice was created. The two roles of Secretary of State for Justice and Lord Chancellor have since been carried out by one person with the office-holder holding both titles. The Ministry of Justice is responsible for the courts, prisons and probation services in England and Wales.
On 9 May 2007, the Ministry of Justice was created. The two roles of Secretary of State for Justice and Lord Chancellor have since been carried out by one person with the office-holder holding both titles. The Ministry of Justice is responsible for the courts, prisons and probation services in England and Wales.
Dont try to make out its a new power grab by the tories.
Actually Costa… the current system we have at the moment was brought in in 2010… after the lobbying scandals and the cash for questions affair in 2009… it was one of the very first things brought in after the coalition took power
And actually this is very much a power grab because there are more potential cases coming down the road with all of them being Tory mp’s
If you are going to levy a punishment on Northern Ireland MP Ian paisley jr for lobbying scandals this was a) much worse … and b) he was stupid enough to do an interview last night where was unrepentant and said he would absolutely do it again!!!!
The tories are trying to get the system changed because I am betting that a fair few will get caught out when the numerous investigations over how covid was handled are started…..
It is absolutely a power grab move if you are going to get people you selected to investigate yourself!!! And propose moves without discussion with other parties!!!!"well i have to disagree the two rolls of secretary of state for justice and lord chancellor was created in 2007 and so is always going to be a member of the government in power. | |||
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"Should've resigned immediately. The rest is a nonsense" All down to Boris, he wants the rules changing , I wonder why?? | |||
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"At least he's resigned. Claudia Webbe on the other hand..." There's a difference between the two, and I'm not defending Webbe, who should be inside. Patterson broke parliamentary rules, his penalty would be parliamentary. However he's chosen to resign rather than take his punishment. | |||
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"At least he's resigned. Claudia Webbe on the other hand..." The independent MP? | |||
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"The "Labour" abstentions are what appalled me most ..absolutely sickening "They appalled you more than Tories that voted for it | |||
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"The "Labour" abstentions are what appalled me most ..absolutely sickening
They appalled you more than Tories that voted for it "Yes, I wouldn't expect anything less from the scummers and neither should anyone else by now | |||
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"The "Labour" abstentions are what appalled me most ..absolutely sickening
The abstentions were part of a pairing arrangement, each abstention was equalled by a conservative abstention."what does that achieve ? I can't see the value other than virtue signalling. | |||
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The abstentions were part of a pairing arrangement, each abstention was equalled by a conservative abstention.what does that achieve ? I can't see the value other than virtue signalling. "Pairing is done so for example if a person couldn’t make it to a vote for a good reason… the other side doesn’t take advantage if a vote is close… It saves people for example having to be dragged in from hospital for example to have to vote, or women who had just had babies ect…. That is the intention… although it almost fell apart a few years ago when the tories yet again 3 lined whipped people into voting on a specific brexit issue when they were supposed to be part of pairing agreement for a Lib Dem mp who was on paternity leave | |||
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"The "Labour" abstentions are what appalled me most ..absolutely sickening
The abstentions were part of a pairing arrangement, each abstention was equalled by a conservative abstention.what does that achieve ? I can't see the value other than virtue signalling.
Pairing is done so for example if a person couldn’t make it to a vote for a good reason… the other side doesn’t take advantage if a vote is close…
It saves people for example having to be dragged in from hospital for example to have to vote, or women who had just had babies ect….
That is the intention… although it almost fell apart a few years ago when the tories yet again 3 lined whipped people into voting on a specific brexit issue when they were supposed to be part of pairing agreement for a Lib Dem mp who was on paternity leave "okay, so the Tory abstentions were due to not being able to vote, rather than not supporting. I'm there now. | |||
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"The longer this goes, the worse it gets. I have emailed my MP asking why he voted in favour of this ridiculous bill and highlighted that I cannot and will not vote for him again." Fair play to you, | |||
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"The longer this goes, the worse it gets. I have emailed my MP asking why he voted in favour of this ridiculous bill and highlighted that I cannot and will not vote for him again." My local MP used to reply to my emails when I did this. (Or at least someone from her office did). But I must be on a blacklist for emailing her for voting in a way that doesn't represent me as one of her constituents. I hope you get a reply. | |||
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"The longer this goes, the worse it gets. I have emailed my MP asking why he voted in favour of this ridiculous bill and highlighted that I cannot and will not vote for him again. Fair play to you, "I hope that others do the same, if their MPs disappoint them rather than blindly support a party | |||
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"The longer this goes, the worse it gets. I have emailed my MP asking why he voted in favour of this ridiculous bill and highlighted that I cannot and will not vote for him again." Good for you. If more people follow your example, we'll end up with a better Parliament. | |||
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"Resigning as an MP but anyone like to guess how long it will be before he becomes Lord Paterson?" Not sure - within the life of this Parliament? And definitely before Bercow. LOL | |||
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"Looks like Labour won't work with the other parties on the by election, and are putting up a candidate. " It makes no difference either way , the tories will win | |||
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"Looks like Labour won't work with the other parties on the by election, and are putting up a candidate. It makes no difference either way , the tories will win " 100% They know that none of this makes a jot of a difference. | |||
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"Resigning as an MP but anyone like to guess how long it will be before he becomes Lord Paterson?" Ain’t that the truth. He should be forbidden from holding any public office ever! | |||
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"Astonishing how almost every Tory voter backs the Torys on this issue and almost ever labour voter (but I've you to actually see one one) backs labour. Until both sides abandon the tribal rubbish that prevents people from having a clear, unbiased opinion, we are in a world of shit. " Except there are people who call it what it us regardless of what colour flag the politician flies = corruption. If a Labour/LibDem/SNP/Green/DUP/PC etc MP was corrupt, decent people will call it out. Same should apply to Conservatives. Sick of tribalist/support my “team” no matter what they fo bollocks! They are supposed to work for US! | |||
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"Resigning as an MP but anyone like to guess how long it will be before he becomes Lord Paterson? Ain’t that the truth. He should be forbidden from holding any public office ever!" The system is sick. Jail for undermining the democratic process | |||
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"Looks like Labour won't work with the other parties on the by election, and are putting up a candidate. " Not looking good for them agreeing to this so far. Was reminded today Martin bell won as an independent when opposition parties did not stand | |||
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"Why didn't he just accept he'd done wrong and take a 30 day suspension, it's not like he'd have to break boulders on Dartmoor" In all his interviews he claims he's done nothing wrong. Deluded. | |||
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"Why didn't he just accept he'd done wrong and take a 30 day suspension, it's not like he'd have to break boulders on Dartmoor" because in accepting the 30 day suspension he would have a convition once he has that his constituants can initiate a recall order to get him removed as thier MP and force by election | |||
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"Why didn't he just accept he'd done wrong and take a 30 day suspension, it's not like he'd have to break boulders on Dartmoorbecause in accepting the 30 day suspension he would have a convition once he has that his constituants can initiate a recall order to get him removed as thier MP and force by election " Also, Paterson seems so astonishingly arrogant and entitled he thinks he can get away with anything completely. It's called "The Johnson mentality." | |||
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"Why didn't he just accept he'd done wrong and take a 30 day suspension, it's not like he'd have to break boulders on Dartmoorbecause in accepting the 30 day suspension he would have a convition once he has that his constituants can initiate a recall order to get him removed as thier MP and force by election Also, Paterson seems so astonishingly arrogant and entitled he thinks he can get away with anything completely. It's called "The Johnson mentality."" Well he's guilty and resigned which is just as well as People with his attitude shouldn't be in politics , just like a lot who are there unfortunately | |||
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"Why didn't he just accept he'd done wrong and take a 30 day suspension, it's not like he'd have to break boulders on Dartmoorbecause in accepting the 30 day suspension he would have a convition once he has that his constituants can initiate a recall order to get him removed as thier MP and force by election Also, Paterson seems so astonishingly arrogant and entitled he thinks he can get away with anything completely. It's called "The Johnson mentality." Well he's guilty and resigned which is just as well as People with his attitude shouldn't be in politics , just like a lot who are there unfortunately" But he still keeps the wonga in his back sky rocket. | |||
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"Why didn't he just accept he'd done wrong and take a 30 day suspension, it's not like he'd have to break boulders on Dartmoorbecause in accepting the 30 day suspension he would have a convition once he has that his constituants can initiate a recall order to get him removed as thier MP and force by election Also, Paterson seems so astonishingly arrogant and entitled he thinks he can get away with anything completely. It's called "The Johnson mentality." Well he's guilty and resigned which is just as well as People with his attitude shouldn't be in politics , just like a lot who are there unfortunately But he still keeps the wonga in his back sky rocket. " Yep  , Should be taken off him but it won't. As posted above he'll be LORD Patterson in the future | |||
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"Why didn't he just accept he'd done wrong and take a 30 day suspension, it's not like he'd have to break boulders on Dartmoorbecause in accepting the 30 day suspension he would have a convition once he has that his constituants can initiate a recall order to get him removed as thier MP and force by election Also, Paterson seems so astonishingly arrogant and entitled he thinks he can get away with anything completely. It's called "The Johnson mentality." Well he's guilty and resigned which is just as well as People with his attitude shouldn't be in politics , just like a lot who are there unfortunately" He didn't resign out of any sort of principle, though. He only resigned when he realised Johnson had done a screeching Uturn that left him high and dry. | |||
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"Urgent debate in Parliament , Johnson not there , I know lol. I just started a thread on that topic." ,,,,, ,,,,,,, ,,,,,,, ,,,,,,, ,,,,,,, ,,,,,,, Johnson flew back from Glasgow to attend a gentleman's club but didn't fly back from the North East to attend the urgent debate , instead he caught the train but still arrived back in London 2 hours and 20 minutes before the end of the debate so could have made it in time but didn't do so , , ,( flying to Afghanistan and hiding in fridges spring to mind ) | |||
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"Urgent debate in Parliament , Johnson not there , I know lol. I just started a thread on that topic. ,,,,, ,,,,,,, ,,,,,,, ,,,,,,, ,,,,,,, ,,,,,,, Johnson flew back from Glasgow to attend a gentleman's club but didn't fly back from the North East to attend the urgent debate , instead he caught the train but still arrived back in London 2 hours and 20 minutes before the end of the debate so could have made it in time but didn't do so , , ,( flying to Afghanistan and hiding in fridges spring to mind )" He does love hiding in his fridges. | |||
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"Everybody has forgotten about the parlimentary expenses scandal from 2009 then? Many MP's are corrupt and on the take. They're just very clever about hiding it. " Not to defend either then or now, but I do think it's an unfair comparison. The expenses was very much a failing of the system, i.e. no one was questioning these claims. Therefore it became the workplace culture to "exaggerate" claims. When a new MP joined the HoC they were given tips on how to do this, and told everyone were doing the same. Obviously wrong, and many did not buy into this idea (one Jeremy Corbyn for example). Others bought into it completely and in kicking the arse out of it brought it to attention! Action was taken, the system changed, the culture also changed. I feel that to actively take a role in lobbying on behalf of a company, for a lot of money, something that is clearly against the rules, and is not part of the culture, is quite different. | |||
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"Consent to this "until the next distraction" daylight for all to see piss take by the political class... can be removed at anytime. Just say no. "The people of Richmond said no to Zac Goldsmith twice and the whole of London rejected him too. He's still in the cabinet. | |||
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The people of Richmond said no to Zac Goldsmith twice and the whole of London rejected him too. He's still in the cabinet.
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"Have a look at what's happening with Cleveland police commissioner at the moment...tbf to him and I’m no fan it’s an allegation from sometime in the 80s between the age of him being 8 to 18 he asnt been informed of it’s a victim or third party who it was against where and what the allegation is yet so I’d hold of for a bit with jumping on the bandwagon just yet It's also about him being cautioned about handling stolen goods ( I think that's how he described it), if that had been in the open prior to his election? BTW I was no fan of the last commissioner. the caution was 22yrs ago the stolen goods where worth £15 that’s no excuse but that’s nothing to do with what’s going on now tho is it and yes he probably wouldn’t of been elected but we will never know now Agreed, but a full disclosure may have avoided all the trouble. " all the trouble now has nothing to do with the caution tho it’s about an allegation sometime in the 80s when he was between 8 amd 18 years old | |||
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"Have a look at what's happening with Cleveland police commissioner at the moment...tbf to him and I’m no fan it’s an allegation from sometime in the 80s between the age of him being 8 to 18 he asnt been informed of it’s a victim or third party who it was against where and what the allegation is yet so I’d hold of for a bit with jumping on the bandwagon just yet It's also about him being cautioned about handling stolen goods ( I think that's how he described it), if that had been in the open prior to his election? BTW I was no fan of the last commissioner. the caution was 22yrs ago the stolen goods where worth £15 that’s no excuse but that’s nothing to do with what’s going on now tho is it and yes he probably wouldn’t of been elected but we will never know now Agreed, but a full disclosure may have avoided all the trouble. all the trouble now has nothing to do with the caution tho it’s about an allegation sometime in the 80s when he was between 8 amd 18 years old " I don't think he knows what it's about, but it's on the back of the earlier stuff, he's made a rod for his own back. | |||
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"Have a look at what's happening with Cleveland police commissioner at the moment...tbf to him and I’m no fan it’s an allegation from sometime in the 80s between the age of him being 8 to 18 he asnt been informed of it’s a victim or third party who it was against where and what the allegation is yet so I’d hold of for a bit with jumping on the bandwagon just yet It's also about him being cautioned about handling stolen goods ( I think that's how he described it), if that had been in the open prior to his election? BTW I was no fan of the last commissioner. the caution was 22yrs ago the stolen goods where worth £15 that’s no excuse but that’s nothing to do with what’s going on now tho is it and yes he probably wouldn’t of been elected but we will never know now Agreed, but a full disclosure may have avoided all the trouble. all the trouble now has nothing to do with the caution tho it’s about an allegation sometime in the 80s when he was between 8 amd 18 years old I don't think he knows what it's about, but it's on the back of the earlier stuff, he's made a rod for his own back. " he doesn’t know what it’s about who from where it took place and when it was so starter calling for him to resign is a bit much at this stage starmer don’t you think ? | |||
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"Have a look at what's happening with Cleveland police commissioner at the moment...tbf to him and I’m no fan it’s an allegation from sometime in the 80s between the age of him being 8 to 18 he asnt been informed of it’s a victim or third party who it was against where and what the allegation is yet so I’d hold of for a bit with jumping on the bandwagon just yet It's also about him being cautioned about handling stolen goods ( I think that's how he described it), if that had been in the open prior to his election? BTW I was no fan of the last commissioner. the caution was 22yrs ago the stolen goods where worth £15 that’s no excuse but that’s nothing to do with what’s going on now tho is it and yes he probably wouldn’t of been elected but we will never know now Agreed, but a full disclosure may have avoided all the trouble. all the trouble now has nothing to do with the caution tho it’s about an allegation sometime in the 80s when he was between 8 amd 18 years old I don't think he knows what it's about, but it's on the back of the earlier stuff, he's made a rod for his own back. he doesn’t know what it’s about who from where it took place and when it was so starter calling for him to resign is a bit much at this stage starmer don’t you think ?" Starmer has asked him to step down whilst the investigation takes place. It's a criminal investigation. Should he the PCC do nothing? | |||
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"Have a look at what's happening with Cleveland police commissioner at the moment...tbf to him and I’m no fan it’s an allegation from sometime in the 80s between the age of him being 8 to 18 he asnt been informed of it’s a victim or third party who it was against where and what the allegation is yet so I’d hold of for a bit with jumping on the bandwagon just yet It's also about him being cautioned about handling stolen goods ( I think that's how he described it), if that had been in the open prior to his election? BTW I was no fan of the last commissioner. the caution was 22yrs ago the stolen goods where worth £15 that’s no excuse but that’s nothing to do with what’s going on now tho is it and yes he probably wouldn’t of been elected but we will never know now Agreed, but a full disclosure may have avoided all the trouble. all the trouble now has nothing to do with the caution tho it’s about an allegation sometime in the 80s when he was between 8 amd 18 years old I don't think he knows what it's about, but it's on the back of the earlier stuff, he's made a rod for his own back. he doesn’t know what it’s about who from where it took place and when it was so starter calling for him to resign is a bit much at this stage starmer don’t you think ? Starmer has asked him to step down whilst the investigation takes place. It's a criminal investigation. Should he the PCC do nothing?" no charges have been brought the investigation is to see if there should be charges it’s just an allegation at this point so for me nothing should happen at this point | |||
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"Have a look at what's happening with Cleveland police commissioner at the moment...tbf to him and I’m no fan it’s an allegation from sometime in the 80s between the age of him being 8 to 18 he asnt been informed of it’s a victim or third party who it was against where and what the allegation is yet so I’d hold of for a bit with jumping on the bandwagon just yet It's also about him being cautioned about handling stolen goods ( I think that's how he described it), if that had been in the open prior to his election? BTW I was no fan of the last commissioner. the caution was 22yrs ago the stolen goods where worth £15 that’s no excuse but that’s nothing to do with what’s going on now tho is it and yes he probably wouldn’t of been elected but we will never know now Agreed, but a full disclosure may have avoided all the trouble. all the trouble now has nothing to do with the caution tho it’s about an allegation sometime in the 80s when he was between 8 amd 18 years old I don't think he knows what it's about, but it's on the back of the earlier stuff, he's made a rod for his own back. he doesn’t know what it’s about who from where it took place and when it was so starter calling for him to resign is a bit much at this stage starmer don’t you think ? Starmer has asked him to step down whilst the investigation takes place. It's a criminal investigation. Should he the PCC do nothing? no charges have been brought the investigation is to see if there should be charges it’s just an allegation at this point so for me nothing should happen at this point " An interesting stance to take. Personally I would want him well away from the police until he's been given an unambiguous green light. | |||
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"Have a look at what's happening with Cleveland police commissioner at the moment...tbf to him and I’m no fan it’s an allegation from sometime in the 80s between the age of him being 8 to 18 he asnt been informed of it’s a victim or third party who it was against where and what the allegation is yet so I’d hold of for a bit with jumping on the bandwagon just yet It's also about him being cautioned about handling stolen goods ( I think that's how he described it), if that had been in the open prior to his election? BTW I was no fan of the last commissioner. the caution was 22yrs ago the stolen goods where worth £15 that’s no excuse but that’s nothing to do with what’s going on now tho is it and yes he probably wouldn’t of been elected but we will never know now Agreed, but a full disclosure may have avoided all the trouble. all the trouble now has nothing to do with the caution tho it’s about an allegation sometime in the 80s when he was between 8 amd 18 years old I don't think he knows what it's about, but it's on the back of the earlier stuff, he's made a rod for his own back. he doesn’t know what it’s about who from where it took place and when it was so starter calling for him to resign is a bit much at this stage starmer don’t you think ? Starmer has asked him to step down whilst the investigation takes place. It's a criminal investigation. Should he the PCC do nothing? no charges have been brought the investigation is to see if there should be charges it’s just an allegation at this point so for me nothing should happen at this point An interesting stance to take. Personally I would want him well away from the police until he's been given an unambiguous green light. " we would have no police left if they had to resign for an allegation you do know there’s no charges at this point he as t been interviewed the allegation is 30/40 years ago ? | |||
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"Have a look at what's happening with Cleveland police commissioner at the moment...tbf to him and I’m no fan it’s an allegation from sometime in the 80s between the age of him being 8 to 18 he asnt been informed of it’s a victim or third party who it was against where and what the allegation is yet so I’d hold of for a bit with jumping on the bandwagon just yet It's also about him being cautioned about handling stolen goods ( I think that's how he described it), if that had been in the open prior to his election? BTW I was no fan of the last commissioner. the caution was 22yrs ago the stolen goods where worth £15 that’s no excuse but that’s nothing to do with what’s going on now tho is it and yes he probably wouldn’t of been elected but we will never know now Agreed, but a full disclosure may have avoided all the trouble. all the trouble now has nothing to do with the caution tho it’s about an allegation sometime in the 80s when he was between 8 amd 18 years old I don't think he knows what it's about, but it's on the back of the earlier stuff, he's made a rod for his own back. he doesn’t know what it’s about who from where it took place and when it was so starter calling for him to resign is a bit much at this stage starmer don’t you think ? Starmer has asked him to step down whilst the investigation takes place. It's a criminal investigation. Should he the PCC do nothing? no charges have been brought the investigation is to see if there should be charges it’s just an allegation at this point so for me nothing should happen at this point An interesting stance to take. Personally I would want him well away from the police until he's been given an unambiguous green light. we would have no police left if they had to resign for an allegation you do know there’s no charges at this point he as t been interviewed the allegation is 30/40 years ago ?" It's his job to sort the police out, bit hard to take the moral high ground when you are under criminal investigation. | |||
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"Have a look at what's happening with Cleveland police commissioner at the moment...tbf to him and I’m no fan it’s an allegation from sometime in the 80s between the age of him being 8 to 18 he asnt been informed of it’s a victim or third party who it was against where and what the allegation is yet so I’d hold of for a bit with jumping on the bandwagon just yet It's also about him being cautioned about handling stolen goods ( I think that's how he described it), if that had been in the open prior to his election? BTW I was no fan of the last commissioner. the caution was 22yrs ago the stolen goods where worth £15 that’s no excuse but that’s nothing to do with what’s going on now tho is it and yes he probably wouldn’t of been elected but we will never know now Agreed, but a full disclosure may have avoided all the trouble. all the trouble now has nothing to do with the caution tho it’s about an allegation sometime in the 80s when he was between 8 amd 18 years old I don't think he knows what it's about, but it's on the back of the earlier stuff, he's made a rod for his own back. he doesn’t know what it’s about who from where it took place and when it was so starter calling for him to resign is a bit much at this stage starmer don’t you think ? Starmer has asked him to step down whilst the investigation takes place. It's a criminal investigation. Should he the PCC do nothing? no charges have been brought the investigation is to see if there should be charges it’s just an allegation at this point so for me nothing should happen at this point An interesting stance to take. Personally I would want him well away from the police until he's been given an unambiguous green light. we would have no police left if they had to resign for an allegation you do know there’s no charges at this point he as t been interviewed the allegation is 30/40 years ago ? It's his job to sort the police out, bit hard to take the moral high ground when you are under criminal investigation." it’s an investigation into if there’s anything to charge him for atm he doesn’t even know what when who or where the allegations are coming from there 30/40 yrs ago it’s a non story until charges are brought if any didn’t labour have a mp charged with threatening to Chuck acid in someone’s face and not have to step aside not long ago ? | |||
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"Have a look at what's happening with Cleveland police commissioner at the moment...tbf to him and I’m no fan it’s an allegation from sometime in the 80s between the age of him being 8 to 18 he asnt been informed of it’s a victim or third party who it was against where and what the allegation is yet so I’d hold of for a bit with jumping on the bandwagon just yet It's also about him being cautioned about handling stolen goods ( I think that's how he described it), if that had been in the open prior to his election? BTW I was no fan of the last commissioner. the caution was 22yrs ago the stolen goods where worth £15 that’s no excuse but that’s nothing to do with what’s going on now tho is it and yes he probably wouldn’t of been elected but we will never know now Agreed, but a full disclosure may have avoided all the trouble. all the trouble now has nothing to do with the caution tho it’s about an allegation sometime in the 80s when he was between 8 amd 18 years old I don't think he knows what it's about, but it's on the back of the earlier stuff, he's made a rod for his own back. he doesn’t know what it’s about who from where it took place and when it was so starter calling for him to resign is a bit much at this stage starmer don’t you think ? Starmer has asked him to step down whilst the investigation takes place. It's a criminal investigation. Should he the PCC do nothing? no charges have been brought the investigation is to see if there should be charges it’s just an allegation at this point so for me nothing should happen at this point An interesting stance to take. Personally I would want him well away from the police until he's been given an unambiguous green light. we would have no police left if they had to resign for an allegation you do know there’s no charges at this point he as t been interviewed the allegation is 30/40 years ago ? It's his job to sort the police out, bit hard to take the moral high ground when you are under criminal investigation. it’s an investigation into if there’s anything to charge him for atm he doesn’t even know what when who or where the allegations are coming from there 30/40 yrs ago it’s a non story until charges are brought if any didn’t labour have a mp charged with threatening to Chuck acid in someone’s face and not have to step aside not long ago ?" He "sacked" her from the labour party | |||
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"Have a look at what's happening with Cleveland police commissioner at the moment...tbf to him and I’m no fan it’s an allegation from sometime in the 80s between the age of him being 8 to 18 he asnt been informed of it’s a victim or third party who it was against where and what the allegation is yet so I’d hold of for a bit with jumping on the bandwagon just yet It's also about him being cautioned about handling stolen goods ( I think that's how he described it), if that had been in the open prior to his election? BTW I was no fan of the last commissioner. the caution was 22yrs ago the stolen goods where worth £15 that’s no excuse but that’s nothing to do with what’s going on now tho is it and yes he probably wouldn’t of been elected but we will never know now Agreed, but a full disclosure may have avoided all the trouble. all the trouble now has nothing to do with the caution tho it’s about an allegation sometime in the 80s when he was between 8 amd 18 years old I don't think he knows what it's about, but it's on the back of the earlier stuff, he's made a rod for his own back. he doesn’t know what it’s about who from where it took place and when it was so starter calling for him to resign is a bit much at this stage starmer don’t you think ? Starmer has asked him to step down whilst the investigation takes place. It's a criminal investigation. Should he the PCC do nothing? no charges have been brought the investigation is to see if there should be charges it’s just an allegation at this point so for me nothing should happen at this point An interesting stance to take. Personally I would want him well away from the police until he's been given an unambiguous green light. we would have no police left if they had to resign for an allegation you do know there’s no charges at this point he as t been interviewed the allegation is 30/40 years ago ? It's his job to sort the police out, bit hard to take the moral high ground when you are under criminal investigation. it’s an investigation into if there’s anything to charge him for atm he doesn’t even know what when who or where the allegations are coming from there 30/40 yrs ago it’s a non story until charges are brought if any didn’t labour have a mp charged with threatening to Chuck acid in someone’s face and not have to step aside not long ago ? She isn’t a Labour MP anymore, Starmer has called for her to resign but he doesn’t have the power to sack her " she was when she was charged wasn’t she I may be wrong ? He didn’t ask her to resign when it was first alleged ? | |||
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"Have a look at what's happening with Cleveland police commissioner at the moment...tbf to him and I’m no fan it’s an allegation from sometime in the 80s between the age of him being 8 to 18 he asnt been informed of it’s a victim or third party who it was against where and what the allegation is yet so I’d hold of for a bit with jumping on the bandwagon just yet It's also about him being cautioned about handling stolen goods ( I think that's how he described it), if that had been in the open prior to his election? BTW I was no fan of the last commissioner. the caution was 22yrs ago the stolen goods where worth £15 that’s no excuse but that’s nothing to do with what’s going on now tho is it and yes he probably wouldn’t of been elected but we will never know now Agreed, but a full disclosure may have avoided all the trouble. all the trouble now has nothing to do with the caution tho it’s about an allegation sometime in the 80s when he was between 8 amd 18 years old I don't think he knows what it's about, but it's on the back of the earlier stuff, he's made a rod for his own back. he doesn’t know what it’s about who from where it took place and when it was so starter calling for him to resign is a bit much at this stage starmer don’t you think ? Starmer has asked him to step down whilst the investigation takes place. It's a criminal investigation. Should he the PCC do nothing? no charges have been brought the investigation is to see if there should be charges it’s just an allegation at this point so for me nothing should happen at this point An interesting stance to take. Personally I would want him well away from the police until he's been given an unambiguous green light. we would have no police left if they had to resign for an allegation you do know there’s no charges at this point he as t been interviewed the allegation is 30/40 years ago ? It's his job to sort the police out, bit hard to take the moral high ground when you are under criminal investigation. it’s an investigation into if there’s anything to charge him for atm he doesn’t even know what when who or where the allegations are coming from there 30/40 yrs ago it’s a non story until charges are brought if any didn’t labour have a mp charged with threatening to Chuck acid in someone’s face and not have to step aside not long ago ? She isn’t a Labour MP anymore, Starmer has called for her to resign but he doesn’t have the power to sack her she was when she was charged wasn’t she I may be wrong ? He didn’t ask her to resign when it was first alleged ?" She isn’t a Labour MP, there isn’t anything he can do, | |||
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"Consent to this "until the next distraction" daylight for all to see piss take by the political class... can be removed at anytime. Just say no.
The people of Richmond said no to Zac Goldsmith twice and the whole of London rejected him too. He's still in the cabinet.
Yup, glad we got rid of those unelected bureaucrats in the EU.
Though the fact the Lords has a bigger membership that the whole European Parliament does seem to have escaped many."Ironically, nobody commented on that at all. So it seems you're quite correct. | |||
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"Consent to this "until the next distraction" daylight for all to see piss take by the political class... can be removed at anytime. Just say no.
The people of Richmond said no to Zac Goldsmith twice and the whole of London rejected him too. He's still in the cabinet.
Yup, glad we got rid of those unelected bureaucrats in the EU.
Though the fact the Lords has a bigger membership that the whole European Parliament does seem to have escaped many.
Ironically, nobody commented on that at all. So it seems you're quite correct."Yes true but they are at least in the uk | |||
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"Everybody has forgotten about the parlimentary expenses scandal from 2009 then? Many MP's are corrupt and on the take. They're just very clever about hiding it. Not to defend either then or now, but I do think it's an unfair comparison. The expenses was very much a failing of the system, i.e. no one was questioning these claims. Therefore it became the workplace culture to "exaggerate" claims. When a new MP joined the HoC they were given tips on how to do this, and told everyone were doing the same. Obviously wrong, and many did not buy into this idea (one Jeremy Corbyn for example). Others bought into it completely and in kicking the arse out of it brought it to attention! Action was taken, the system changed, the culture also changed. I feel that to actively take a role in lobbying on behalf of a company, for a lot of money, something that is clearly against the rules, and is not part of the culture, is quite different. " None of the recommendations made in the 2009 expenses report have been adopted. Only the extreme behaviour such a duck houses has stopped. The excess expenses claimed, wages for family and friends along with profits made on house purchases are still rampant and in full swing. It doesn’t make the news because it’s all within the rules. The rules are a disgrace and the report exposes this. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/336903/MP_expenses_main_report.pdf Scroll down to the easy reading bit it’s very simple to fix but it stops the gravy train so no action.taken. Why is that? On lobbying- Even if no active lobbying is visible . Free holidays and private jets being handed over should worry us all. Bribery and corruption rules stop this in industry so why not Parliament? | |||
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"Consent to this "until the next distraction" daylight for all to see piss take by the political class... can be removed at anytime. Just say no.
The people of Richmond said no to Zac Goldsmith twice and the whole of London rejected him too. He's still in the cabinet.
Yup, glad we got rid of those unelected bureaucrats in the EU.
Though the fact the Lords has a bigger membership that the whole European Parliament does seem to have escaped many.
Ironically, nobody commented on that at all. So it seems you're quite correct.
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"Tory MP who said Marcus Rashford should stick to the day job… has second job In a private message to colleagues following England’s defeat in the Euro 2020 final, Ms Elphicke said: ‘Would it be ungenerous to say Rashford should have spent more time perfecting his game and less time playing politics’" O dear, what a fool | |||
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"Consent to this "until the next distraction" daylight for all to see piss take by the political class... can be removed at anytime. Just say no.
The people of Richmond said no to Zac Goldsmith twice and the whole of London rejected him too. He's still in the cabinet.
Yup, glad we got rid of those unelected bureaucrats in the EU.
Though the fact the Lords has a bigger membership that the whole European Parliament does seem to have escaped many.
Ironically, nobody commented on that at all. So it seems you're quite correct.
Yes true but they are at least in the uk "So it's fine to be ruled by unelected bureaucrats as long as they're our unelected bureaucrats? Good to know what the mental gymnastics are today. | |||
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