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"I dont remember that in the referendum campaign. Once we have left the EU we can carry on buying poorer quality meat from them & just throw home produced meat away. " you probably missed it because it was filed in the draw marked 'project fear'. | |||
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"As far as I can recall the government doesn’t run companies. From what I can recall companies are run by business people who are usually relatively well payed. Amongst the decisions these people normally take are how they run their business and what kind of people they hire to fulfill those objectives. The Brexit vote was several years ago now. It has been well signalled as to the likely outcomes and yet these (well payed) business types don’t seem to have prepared for it. I get that everyone loves to whack the government but at what point are we going to start asking the people who run these companies WTF are they doing? We know business people take full credit for any successfully run business. Just kind of weird that any failing business is not their fault….." Why is the government taking credit for these supposed ‘wage rises ‘ then? Private companies paying wages | |||
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" Why is the government taking credit for these supposed ‘wage rises ‘ then? Private companies paying wages " They are politicians. That is what politicians do. Whether they take credit or get beaten is irrelevant. The people who can change this are the people who are involved in the day to day delivery of these services. They are the ones who need to be held to account if we are genuinely serious about getting things running again. | |||
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"As far as I can recall the government doesn’t run companies. From what I can recall companies are run by business people who are usually relatively well payed. Amongst the decisions these people normally take are how they run their business and what kind of people they hire to fulfill those objectives. The Brexit vote was several years ago now. It has been well signalled as to the likely outcomes and yet these (well payed) business types don’t seem to have prepared for it. I get that everyone loves to whack the government but at what point are we going to start asking the people who run these companies WTF are they doing? We know business people take full credit for any successfully run business. Just kind of weird that any failing business is not their fault….." They were probably to busy opposing brexit at the time hoping to keep their flow of cheap and easy to replace labour instead of thinking ahead.  | |||
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" Why is the government taking credit for these supposed ‘wage rises ‘ then? Private companies paying wages They are politicians. That is what politicians do. Whether they take credit or get beaten is irrelevant. The people who can change this are the people who are involved in the day to day delivery of these services. They are the ones who need to be held to account if we are genuinely serious about getting things running again." You can’t have it both ways | |||
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"As far as I can recall the government doesn’t run companies. From what I can recall companies are run by business people who are usually relatively well payed. Amongst the decisions these people normally take are how they run their business and what kind of people they hire to fulfill those objectives. The Brexit vote was several years ago now. It has been well signalled as to the likely outcomes and yet these (well payed) business types don’t seem to have prepared for it. I get that everyone loves to whack the government but at what point are we going to start asking the people who run these companies WTF are they doing? We know business people take full credit for any successfully run business. Just kind of weird that any failing business is not their fault….. They were probably to busy opposing brexit at the time hoping to keep their flow of cheap and easy to replace labour instead of thinking ahead. "Maybe all these business experts are wrong, which sectors have properly prepared for Brexit ? | |||
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" Why is the government taking credit for these supposed ‘wage rises ‘ then? Private companies paying wages They are politicians. That is what politicians do. Whether they take credit or get beaten is irrelevant. The people who can change this are the people who are involved in the day to day delivery of these services. They are the ones who need to be held to account if we are genuinely serious about getting things running again. You can’t have it both ways " You are clearly missing my point - the failure to run these businesses is down to the business people. No one else. I don’t care for any of the non entities that we have in our political life - Bojo, Starner or any of the others who’s names elude me. I appreciate this is a political forum where people like to take chunks out of people who have different political views. This is not a political post - it is the observation that politics (as a genre) is getting in the way. | |||
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" Why is the government taking credit for these supposed ‘wage rises ‘ then? Private companies paying wages They are politicians. That is what politicians do. Whether they take credit or get beaten is irrelevant. The people who can change this are the people who are involved in the day to day delivery of these services. They are the ones who need to be held to account if we are genuinely serious about getting things running again. You can’t have it both ways You are clearly missing my point - the failure to run these businesses is down to the business people. No one else. I don’t care for any of the non entities that we have in our political life - Bojo, Starner or any of the others who’s names elude me. I appreciate this is a political forum where people like to take chunks out of people who have different political views. This is not a political post - it is the observation that politics (as a genre) is getting in the way." I tend to agree, however , do you think it was difficult for businesses to prepare for something that wasn’t in place until the very last minute? | |||
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"As far as I can recall the government doesn’t run companies. From what I can recall companies are run by business people who are usually relatively well payed. Amongst the decisions these people normally take are how they run their business and what kind of people they hire to fulfill those objectives. The Brexit vote was several years ago now. It has been well signalled as to the likely outcomes and yet these (well payed) business types don’t seem to have prepared for it. I get that everyone loves to whack the government but at what point are we going to start asking the people who run these companies WTF are they doing? We know business people take full credit for any successfully run business. Just kind of weird that any failing business is not their fault….. They were probably to busy opposing brexit at the time hoping to keep their flow of cheap and easy to replace labour instead of thinking ahead.
Maybe all these business experts are wrong, which sectors have properly prepared for Brexit ? "Can you be more specific please as usual you are just coming out with random comments which are impossible to debate as only you know who and what you are talking about,or do you?  | |||
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"As far as I can recall the government doesn’t run companies. From what I can recall companies are run by business people who are usually relatively well payed. Amongst the decisions these people normally take are how they run their business and what kind of people they hire to fulfill those objectives. The Brexit vote was several years ago now. It has been well signalled as to the likely outcomes and yet these (well payed) business types don’t seem to have prepared for it. I get that everyone loves to whack the government but at what point are we going to start asking the people who run these companies WTF are they doing? We know business people take full credit for any successfully run business. Just kind of weird that any failing business is not their fault….. They were probably to busy opposing brexit at the time hoping to keep their flow of cheap and easy to replace labour instead of thinking ahead. " | |||
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"As far as I can recall the government doesn’t run companies. From what I can recall companies are run by business people who are usually relatively well payed. Amongst the decisions these people normally take are how they run their business and what kind of people they hire to fulfill those objectives. The Brexit vote was several years ago now. It has been well signalled as to the likely outcomes and yet these (well payed) business types don’t seem to have prepared for it. I get that everyone loves to whack the government but at what point are we going to start asking the people who run these companies WTF are they doing? We know business people take full credit for any successfully run business. Just kind of weird that any failing business is not their fault….. They were probably to busy opposing brexit at the time hoping to keep their flow of cheap and easy to replace labour instead of thinking ahead.
Maybe all these business experts are wrong, which sectors have properly prepared for Brexit ? Can you be more specific please as usual you are just coming out with random comments which are impossible to debate as only you know who and what you are talking about,or do you? "Can you name any business sectors (haulage, construction, food industry etc) who have managed to properly prepare for brexit? | |||
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"As far as I can recall the government doesn’t run companies. From what I can recall companies are run by business people who are usually relatively well payed. Amongst the decisions these people normally take are how they run their business and what kind of people they hire to fulfill those objectives. The Brexit vote was several years ago now. It has been well signalled as to the likely outcomes and yet these (well payed) business types don’t seem to have prepared for it. I get that everyone loves to whack the government but at what point are we going to start asking the people who run these companies WTF are they doing? We know business people take full credit for any successfully run business. Just kind of weird that any failing business is not their fault….. They were probably to busy opposing brexit at the time hoping to keep their flow of cheap and easy to replace labour instead of thinking ahead. "Only 6 thumbs sandy ?? | |||
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" I tend to agree, however , do you think it was difficult for businesses to prepare for something that wasn’t in place until the very last minute? " On the specifics of the implementation I 100% agree with you. However I would question why these companies have not put longer term training strategies in place when Brexit first happened which would now be paying off. As an example: I tuned in to the end of Farming today this morning where someone was complaining that they need a short term mitigation in place because any training will take 18monrhs. The immediate thought that went through my head is that there have been a lot if 18 months since Brexit and at what point are they actually going to start using one of them? | |||
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":lCan you name any business sectors (haulage, construction, food industry etc) who have managed to properly prepare for brexit? " Finance is well prepared and has been for quite a while. It is not perfect but plans have been acted upon. | |||
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"As far as I can recall the government doesn’t run companies. From what I can recall companies are run by business people who are usually relatively well payed. Amongst the decisions these people normally take are how they run their business and what kind of people they hire to fulfill those objectives. The Brexit vote was several years ago now. It has been well signalled as to the likely outcomes and yet these (well payed) business types don’t seem to have prepared for it. I get that everyone loves to whack the government but at what point are we going to start asking the people who run these companies WTF are they doing? We know business people take full credit for any successfully run business. Just kind of weird that any failing business is not their fault….. They were probably to busy opposing brexit at the time hoping to keep their flow of cheap and easy to replace labour instead of thinking ahead.
Maybe all these business experts are wrong, which sectors have properly prepared for Brexit ? Can you be more specific please as usual you are just coming out with random comments which are impossible to debate as only you know who and what you are talking about,or do you?
Can you name any business sectors (haulage, construction, food industry etc) who have managed to properly prepare for brexit? "Not off hand no and as usual answer a question with another question but i was not saying i could. Anyone running a business or anyone else for that matter knew that freedom of movement was going to stop it was not a last minute decision like you were claiming and that there was not time to prepare. Maybe covid threw a spanner in the works i dont know but its company directors who are responsible for companies not the government. | |||
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"As far as I can recall the government doesn’t run companies. From what I can recall companies are run by business people who are usually relatively well payed. Amongst the decisions these people normally take are how they run their business and what kind of people they hire to fulfill those objectives. The Brexit vote was several years ago now. It has been well signalled as to the likely outcomes and yet these (well payed) business types don’t seem to have prepared for it. I get that everyone loves to whack the government but at what point are we going to start asking the people who run these companies WTF are they doing? We know business people take full credit for any successfully run business. Just kind of weird that any failing business is not their fault….. They were probably to busy opposing brexit at the time hoping to keep their flow of cheap and easy to replace labour instead of thinking ahead.
Maybe all these business experts are wrong, which sectors have properly prepared for Brexit ? Can you be more specific please as usual you are just coming out with random comments which are impossible to debate as only you know who and what you are talking about,or do you?
Can you name any business sectors (haulage, construction, food industry etc) who have managed to properly prepare for brexit? Not off hand no and as usual answer a question with another question but i was not saying i could.
Anyone running a business or anyone else for that matter knew that freedom of movement was going to stop it was not a last minute decision like you were claiming and that there was not time to prepare. Maybe covid threw a spanner in the works i dont know but its company directors who are responsible for companies not the government. "Yep, and it’s companies who are responsible for wage rises and employment figures, not governments? | |||
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" I tend to agree, however , do you think it was difficult for businesses to prepare for something that wasn’t in place until the very last minute? On the specifics of the implementation I 100% agree with you. However I would question why these companies have not put longer term training strategies in place when Brexit first happened which would now be paying off. As an example: I tuned in to the end of Farming today this morning where someone was complaining that they need a short term mitigation in place because any training will take 18monrhs. The immediate thought that went through my head is that there have been a lot if 18 months since Brexit and at what point are they actually going to start using one of them?" That’s true but the Brexit negotiations were a disaster, most businesses were struggling to predict when and how we would leave the EU. Even in the last week It was impossible to predict wether we would leave with a deal or not | |||
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"As far as I can recall the government doesn’t run companies. From what I can recall companies are run by business people who are usually relatively well payed. Amongst the decisions these people normally take are how they run their business and what kind of people they hire to fulfill those objectives. The Brexit vote was several years ago now. It has been well signalled as to the likely outcomes and yet these (well payed) business types don’t seem to have prepared for it. I get that everyone loves to whack the government but at what point are we going to start asking the people who run these companies WTF are they doing? We know business people take full credit for any successfully run business. Just kind of weird that any failing business is not their fault….." The deal was agreed a few days before the end of the year. Big companies have to plan a bit more in advance. The details on the rules came out it bits and in reality there was no detail of rules etc. There has been no time for business to plan. So no not their fault. This lies firmly with Boris and Co. | |||
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"As far as I can recall the government doesn’t run companies. From what I can recall companies are run by business people who are usually relatively well payed. Amongst the decisions these people normally take are how they run their business and what kind of people they hire to fulfill those objectives. The Brexit vote was several years ago now. It has been well signalled as to the likely outcomes and yet these (well payed) business types don’t seem to have prepared for it. I get that everyone loves to whack the government but at what point are we going to start asking the people who run these companies WTF are they doing? We know business people take full credit for any successfully run business. Just kind of weird that any failing business is not their fault….. They were probably to busy opposing brexit at the time hoping to keep their flow of cheap and easy to replace labour instead of thinking ahead.
Maybe all these business experts are wrong, which sectors have properly prepared for Brexit ? Can you be more specific please as usual you are just coming out with random comments which are impossible to debate as only you know who and what you are talking about,or do you?
Can you name any business sectors (haulage, construction, food industry etc) who have managed to properly prepare for brexit? Not off hand no and as usual answer a question with another question but i was not saying i could.
Anyone running a business or anyone else for that matter knew that freedom of movement was going to stop it was not a last minute decision like you were claiming and that there was not time to prepare. Maybe covid threw a spanner in the works i dont know but its company directors who are responsible for companies not the government. "There was no rules or time frame on who could stay or go. You don’t sack good workers or recruit people just in case. You are right on Covid clouding the issue though. | |||
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"As far as I can recall the government doesn’t run companies. From what I can recall companies are run by business people who are usually relatively well payed. Amongst the decisions these people normally take are how they run their business and what kind of people they hire to fulfill those objectives. The Brexit vote was several years ago now. It has been well signalled as to the likely outcomes and yet these (well payed) business types don’t seem to have prepared for it. I get that everyone loves to whack the government but at what point are we going to start asking the people who run these companies WTF are they doing? We know business people take full credit for any successfully run business. Just kind of weird that any failing business is not their fault….. They were probably to busy opposing brexit at the time hoping to keep their flow of cheap and easy to replace labour instead of thinking ahead.
Maybe all these business experts are wrong, which sectors have properly prepared for Brexit ? Can you be more specific please as usual you are just coming out with random comments which are impossible to debate as only you know who and what you are talking about,or do you?
Can you name any business sectors (haulage, construction, food industry etc) who have managed to properly prepare for brexit? Not off hand no and as usual answer a question with another question but i was not saying i could.
Anyone running a business or anyone else for that matter knew that freedom of movement was going to stop it was not a last minute decision like you were claiming and that there was not time to prepare. Maybe covid threw a spanner in the works i dont know but its company directors who are responsible for companies not the government.
There was no rules or time frame on who could stay or go. You don’t sack good workers or recruit people just in case. You are right on Covid clouding the issue though. "Would it be against employment law to sack workers and recruit replacements until the new rules were in place? | |||
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" Anyone running a business or anyone else for that matter knew that freedom of movement was going to stop it was not a last minute decision like you were claiming and that there was not time to prepare. Maybe covid threw a spanner in the works i dont know but its company directors who are responsible for companies not the government. " How could farmers prepare themselves for a shortage of abattoir workers in meat factories?  It's them who have to cull the pigs and probably take the biggest hit.
Surely if you want to change from a cheap migrant worker model to a more sustainable employment, it needs some time but also it needs political guidelines to implement it as it rarely affects one particular business or even industry only.
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"As far as I can recall the government doesn’t run companies. From what I can recall companies are run by business people who are usually relatively well payed. Amongst the decisions these people normally take are how they run their business and what kind of people they hire to fulfill those objectives. The Brexit vote was several years ago now. It has been well signalled as to the likely outcomes and yet these (well payed) business types don’t seem to have prepared for it. I get that everyone loves to whack the government but at what point are we going to start asking the people who run these companies WTF are they doing? We know business people take full credit for any successfully run business. Just kind of weird that any failing business is not their fault….. They were probably to busy opposing brexit at the time hoping to keep their flow of cheap and easy to replace labour instead of thinking ahead.
Maybe all these business experts are wrong, which sectors have properly prepared for Brexit ? Can you be more specific please as usual you are just coming out with random comments which are impossible to debate as only you know who and what you are talking about,or do you?
Can you name any business sectors (haulage, construction, food industry etc) who have managed to properly prepare for brexit? Not off hand no and as usual answer a question with another question but i was not saying i could.
Anyone running a business or anyone else for that matter knew that freedom of movement was going to stop it was not a last minute decision like you were claiming and that there was not time to prepare. Maybe covid threw a spanner in the works i dont know but its company directors who are responsible for companies not the government.
Yep, and it’s companies who are responsible for wage rises and employment figures, not governments? "Exactly | |||
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" I tend to agree, however , do you think it was difficult for businesses to prepare for something that wasn’t in place until the very last minute? On the specifics of the implementation I 100% agree with you. However I would question why these companies have not put longer term training strategies in place when Brexit first happened which would now be paying off. As an example: I tuned in to the end of Farming today this morning where someone was complaining that they need a short term mitigation in place because any training will take 18monrhs. The immediate thought that went through my head is that there have been a lot if 18 months since Brexit and at what point are they actually going to start using one of them? That’s true but the Brexit negotiations were a disaster, most businesses were struggling to predict when and how we would leave the EU. Even in the last week It was impossible to predict wether we would leave with a deal or not " It did not stop them understanding the end of free movement though or are you now saying that business didnt yet you and a few remainers have been banging on about brexiteers taking back control of boarders for years.You cant have it both ways.  | |||
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" I tend to agree, however , do you think it was difficult for businesses to prepare for something that wasn’t in place until the very last minute? On the specifics of the implementation I 100% agree with you. However I would question why these companies have not put longer term training strategies in place when Brexit first happened which would now be paying off. As an example: I tuned in to the end of Farming today this morning where someone was complaining that they need a short term mitigation in place because any training will take 18monrhs. The immediate thought that went through my head is that there have been a lot if 18 months since Brexit and at what point are they actually going to start using one of them? That’s true but the Brexit negotiations were a disaster, most businesses were struggling to predict when and how we would leave the EU. Even in the last week It was impossible to predict wether we would leave with a deal or not It did not stop them understanding the end of free movement though or are you now saying that business didnt yet you and a few remainers have been banging on about brexiteers taking back control of boarders for years.You cant have it both ways. "Yep, but there was no clarity on the immigration ‘system’ in place after Brexit , as stated earlier, you can’t just start training staff in case your current staff needed replacing . It’s also fair to say that wage increases are down to COVID not Brexit  | |||
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"There was no reason why historical workers from the EU, couldn't remain in the UK and work. Migrant workers tend to follow the money. Covid was the huge problem though. Many went home and never returned. Only they know the reason why. " I was under the impression that the current labour shortages had nothing to do with EU workers leaving | |||
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"yes when we voted brexit all the butchers and lorry drivers and other trades disappeared ! bit like home grown football, dont nurture local talent get an italian "Eh? | |||
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" I tend to agree, however , do you think it was difficult for businesses to prepare for something that wasn’t in place until the very last minute? On the specifics of the implementation I 100% agree with you. However I would question why these companies have not put longer term training strategies in place when Brexit first happened which would now be paying off. As an example: I tuned in to the end of Farming today this morning where someone was complaining that they need a short term mitigation in place because any training will take 18monrhs. The immediate thought that went through my head is that there have been a lot if 18 months since Brexit and at what point are they actually going to start using one of them? That’s true but the Brexit negotiations were a disaster, most businesses were struggling to predict when and how we would leave the EU. Even in the last week It was impossible to predict wether we would leave with a deal or not It did not stop them understanding the end of free movement though or are you now saying that business didnt yet you and a few remainers have been banging on about brexiteers taking back control of boarders for years.You cant have it both ways.
Yep, but there was no clarity on the immigration ‘system’ in place after Brexit , as stated earlier, you can’t just start training staff in case your current staff needed replacing . It’s also fair to say that wage increases are down to COVID not Brexit "As i have said before because of the cheap imported labour companies failed to invest in the youth of Britain and they are now paying for it,years ago before free movement you could near enough guarantee a job with training and apprenticeships when leaving school. You reap what you sow. | |||
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" I tend to agree, however , do you think it was difficult for businesses to prepare for something that wasn’t in place until the very last minute? On the specifics of the implementation I 100% agree with you. However I would question why these companies have not put longer term training strategies in place when Brexit first happened which would now be paying off. As an example: I tuned in to the end of Farming today this morning where someone was complaining that they need a short term mitigation in place because any training will take 18monrhs. The immediate thought that went through my head is that there have been a lot if 18 months since Brexit and at what point are they actually going to start using one of them? That’s true but the Brexit negotiations were a disaster, most businesses were struggling to predict when and how we would leave the EU. Even in the last week It was impossible to predict wether we would leave with a deal or not It did not stop them understanding the end of free movement though or are you now saying that business didnt yet you and a few remainers have been banging on about brexiteers taking back control of boarders for years.You cant have it both ways.
Yep, but there was no clarity on the immigration ‘system’ in place after Brexit , as stated earlier, you can’t just start training staff in case your current staff needed replacing . It’s also fair to say that wage increases are down to COVID not Brexit As i have said before because of the cheap imported labour companies failed to invest in the youth of Britain and they are now paying for it,years ago before free movement you could near enough guarantee a job with training and apprenticeships when leaving school. You reap what you sow. "Are you sure, unemployment in the early 1980s was horrific | |||
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"yes when we voted brexit all the butchers and lorry drivers and other trades disappeared ! bit like home grown football, dont nurture local talent get an italian "More complicated than that regarding truckers because a significant number of British drivers also decided to retire or change jobs due to the govt bringing in IR35 making it unviable to be a one person Ltd company. | |||
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"yes when we voted brexit all the butchers and lorry drivers and other trades disappeared ! bit like home grown football, dont nurture local talent get an italian
Eh? "was it the fast show that did the piss take of newcastle, with jord-io eng-lasis lol coz basically the entire team were pinched out of the italian league. But newcastle were doing well lol. Its why they ended putting a cap on how much a team could spend, shame they didnt apply the same with other professions! Now do you see my point? this should have been tackled, pun intended, along time ago! | |||
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"As far as I can recall the government doesn’t run companies. From what I can recall companies are run by business people who are usually relatively well payed. Amongst the decisions these people normally take are how they run their business and what kind of people they hire to fulfill those objectives. The Brexit vote was several years ago now. It has been well signalled as to the likely outcomes and yet these (well payed) business types don’t seem to have prepared for it. I get that everyone loves to whack the government but at what point are we going to start asking the people who run these companies WTF are they doing? We know business people take full credit for any successfully run business. Just kind of weird that any failing business is not their fault….. They were probably to busy opposing brexit at the time hoping to keep their flow of cheap and easy to replace labour instead of thinking ahead.
Maybe all these business experts are wrong, which sectors have properly prepared for Brexit ? "I believe there are a lot more insolvency practitioners about | |||
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"yes when we voted brexit all the butchers and lorry drivers and other trades disappeared ! bit like home grown football, dont nurture local talent get an italian
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was it the fast show that did the piss take of newcastle, with jord-io eng-lasis lol coz basically the entire team were pinched out of the italian league. But newcastle were doing well lol.
Its why they ended putting a cap on how much a team could spend, shame they didnt apply the same with other professions! Now do you see my point? this should have been tackled, pun intended, along time ago!"Eh? | |||
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" I tend to agree, however , do you think it was difficult for businesses to prepare for something that wasn’t in place until the very last minute? On the specifics of the implementation I 100% agree with you. However I would question why these companies have not put longer term training strategies in place when Brexit first happened which would now be paying off. As an example: I tuned in to the end of Farming today this morning where someone was complaining that they need a short term mitigation in place because any training will take 18monrhs. The immediate thought that went through my head is that there have been a lot if 18 months since Brexit and at what point are they actually going to start using one of them? That’s true but the Brexit negotiations were a disaster, most businesses were struggling to predict when and how we would leave the EU. Even in the last week It was impossible to predict wether we would leave with a deal or not It did not stop them understanding the end of free movement though or are you now saying that business didnt yet you and a few remainers have been banging on about brexiteers taking back control of boarders for years.You cant have it both ways.
Yep, but there was no clarity on the immigration ‘system’ in place after Brexit , as stated earlier, you can’t just start training staff in case your current staff needed replacing . It’s also fair to say that wage increases are down to COVID not Brexit As i have said before because of the cheap imported labour companies failed to invest in the youth of Britain and they are now paying for it,years ago before free movement you could near enough guarantee a job with training and apprenticeships when leaving school. You reap what you sow. "The public buying cheap imported crap made by workers on $10 a day put a limit on pay in this country. Allowing total free market forces such as Chinese steel to flood the U.K. put our steelworks out of business . That’s government not the business fault. There was no way the steel companies could compete with low wages in China . The governments own purchasing of cheep PPE from abroad shows how little long term planning and investment they make and yet they blame business in the U.K. . If we bought stuff made here wages would rise . We don’t we buy £2 t shirts and don’t give a stuff where they are made . | |||
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" I tend to agree, however , do you think it was difficult for businesses to prepare for something that wasn’t in place until the very last minute? On the specifics of the implementation I 100% agree with you. However I would question why these companies have not put longer term training strategies in place when Brexit first happened which would now be paying off. As an example: I tuned in to the end of Farming today this morning where someone was complaining that they need a short term mitigation in place because any training will take 18monrhs. The immediate thought that went through my head is that there have been a lot if 18 months since Brexit and at what point are they actually going to start using one of them? That’s true but the Brexit negotiations were a disaster, most businesses were struggling to predict when and how we would leave the EU. Even in the last week It was impossible to predict wether we would leave with a deal or not It did not stop them understanding the end of free movement though or are you now saying that business didnt yet you and a few remainers have been banging on about brexiteers taking back control of boarders for years.You cant have it both ways.
Yep, but there was no clarity on the immigration ‘system’ in place after Brexit , as stated earlier, you can’t just start training staff in case your current staff needed replacing . It’s also fair to say that wage increases are down to COVID not Brexit As i have said before because of the cheap imported labour companies failed to invest in the youth of Britain and they are now paying for it,years ago before free movement you could near enough guarantee a job with training and apprenticeships when leaving school. You reap what you sow.
The public buying cheap imported crap made by workers on $10 a day put a limit on pay in this country.
Allowing total free market forces such as Chinese steel to flood the U.K. put our steelworks out of business . That’s government not the business fault. There was no way the steel companies could compete with low wages in China .
The governments own purchasing of cheep PPE from abroad shows how little long term planning and investment they make and yet they blame business in the U.K. .
If we bought stuff made here wages would rise . We don’t we buy £2 t shirts and don’t give a stuff where they are made .
"The steel industry was a bad example as there was an embargo on cheap chinese steel by the eu when we were still in it.I do agree though if people want to shop at places like primark etc they are adding to the problem. | |||
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"yes when we voted brexit all the butchers and lorry drivers and other trades disappeared ! bit like home grown football, dont nurture local talent get an italian
Eh?
was it the fast show that did the piss take of newcastle, with jord-io eng-lasis lol coz basically the entire team were pinched out of the italian league. But newcastle were doing well lol.
Its why they ended putting a cap on how much a team could spend, shame they didnt apply the same with other professions! Now do you see my point? this should have been tackled, pun intended, along time ago!
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"yes when we voted brexit all the butchers and lorry drivers and other trades disappeared ! bit like home grown football, dont nurture local talent get an italian
Eh?
was it the fast show that did the piss take of newcastle, with jord-io eng-lasis lol coz basically the entire team were pinched out of the italian league. But newcastle were doing well lol.
Its why they ended putting a cap on how much a team could spend, shame they didnt apply the same with other professions! Now do you see my point? this should have been tackled, pun intended, along time ago!
Eh?
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"yes when we voted brexit all the butchers and lorry drivers and other trades disappeared ! bit like home grown football, dont nurture local talent get an italian
Eh?
was it the fast show that did the piss take of newcastle, with jord-io eng-lasis lol coz basically the entire team were pinched out of the italian league. But newcastle were doing well lol.
Its why they ended putting a cap on how much a team could spend, shame they didnt apply the same with other professions! Now do you see my point? this should have been tackled, pun intended, along time ago!
Eh?
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" I tend to agree, however , do you think it was difficult for businesses to prepare for something that wasn’t in place until the very last minute? On the specifics of the implementation I 100% agree with you. However I would question why these companies have not put longer term training strategies in place when Brexit first happened which would now be paying off. As an example: I tuned in to the end of Farming today this morning where someone was complaining that they need a short term mitigation in place because any training will take 18monrhs. The immediate thought that went through my head is that there have been a lot if 18 months since Brexit and at what point are they actually going to start using one of them? That’s true but the Brexit negotiations were a disaster, most businesses were struggling to predict when and how we would leave the EU. Even in the last week It was impossible to predict wether we would leave with a deal or not It did not stop them understanding the end of free movement though or are you now saying that business didnt yet you and a few remainers have been banging on about brexiteers taking back control of boarders for years.You cant have it both ways.
Yep, but there was no clarity on the immigration ‘system’ in place after Brexit , as stated earlier, you can’t just start training staff in case your current staff needed replacing . It’s also fair to say that wage increases are down to COVID not Brexit As i have said before because of the cheap imported labour companies failed to invest in the youth of Britain and they are now paying for it,years ago before free movement you could near enough guarantee a job with training and apprenticeships when leaving school. You reap what you sow.
The public buying cheap imported crap made by workers on $10 a day put a limit on pay in this country.
Allowing total free market forces such as Chinese steel to flood the U.K. put our steelworks out of business . That’s government not the business fault. There was no way the steel companies could compete with low wages in China .
The governments own purchasing of cheep PPE from abroad shows how little long term planning and investment they make and yet they blame business in the U.K. .
If we bought stuff made here wages would rise . We don’t we buy £2 t shirts and don’t give a stuff where they are made .
The steel industry was a bad example as there was an embargo on cheap chinese steel by the eu when we were still in it.I do agree though if people want to shop at places like primark etc they are adding to the problem."exactly, public get what the public want! Brits cant even bend at the waist anymore to pick carrots, we've genetically changed over the last decade and morphed into suckling piglets who need mummy pig to feed us, thak goddess with got daddy putin to send us some heat | |||
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"yes when we voted brexit all the butchers and lorry drivers and other trades disappeared ! bit like home grown football, dont nurture local talent get an italian
Eh?
was it the fast show that did the piss take of newcastle, with jord-io eng-lasis lol coz basically the entire team were pinched out of the italian league. But newcastle were doing well lol.
Its why they ended putting a cap on how much a team could spend, shame they didnt apply the same with other professions! Now do you see my point? this should have been tackled, pun intended, along time ago!
Eh?
clearly you didnt get nurtured either, perhaps a eu school kid did your exams for you?
Have you considered writing something that makes sense? "to quote your words of wisdom...Eh? Eh? lol | |||
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"yes when we voted brexit all the butchers and lorry drivers and other trades disappeared ! bit like home grown football, dont nurture local talent get an italian
Eh?
was it the fast show that did the piss take of newcastle, with jord-io eng-lasis lol coz basically the entire team were pinched out of the italian league. But newcastle were doing well lol.
Its why they ended putting a cap on how much a team could spend, shame they didnt apply the same with other professions! Now do you see my point? this should have been tackled, pun intended, along time ago!
Eh?
clearly you didnt get nurtured either, perhaps a eu school kid did your exams for you?
Have you considered writing something that makes sense?
to quote your words of wisdom...Eh? Eh? lol "Obviously not  | |||
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"yes when we voted brexit all the butchers and lorry drivers and other trades disappeared ! bit like home grown football, dont nurture local talent get an italian
Eh?
was it the fast show that did the piss take of newcastle, with jord-io eng-lasis lol coz basically the entire team were pinched out of the italian league. But newcastle were doing well lol.
Its why they ended putting a cap on how much a team could spend, shame they didnt apply the same with other professions! Now do you see my point? this should have been tackled, pun intended, along time ago!
Eh?
clearly you didnt get nurtured either, perhaps a eu school kid did your exams for you?
Have you considered writing something that makes sense?
to quote your words of wisdom...Eh? Eh? lol
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"Too much back and forth to read it all. But I'm gonna guess the standard defenders would rather blame anybody but the government. So, likely, they blame butchers/businesses this time for not doing their jobs better or preparing for BRrexit better. A few points. Businesses have been unable to prepare for Brexit better because our government keep lying/breaking agreements and doing bugger all preparation themselves. Butchers have been hit by a CO2 shortage that's apparently crucial to their industry. Butchers also have a real shortage of staff due to, you guessed it, Brexit." Or the lack of recruting and training Bristish workers because they could just pick up the phone and import some | |||
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Why don’t you tell us exactly how that worked? I am sure that you wouldn’t make such a statement without knowing exactly who the phone call was made to, and what was asked.
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Why don’t you tell us exactly how that worked? I am sure that you wouldn’t make such a statement without knowing exactly who the phone call was made to, and what was asked.
"The many food processing factories around here, outsourced their HR to eastern European recruitment agencies, many of whom had set up offices in local towns and cities. It was well known that the factories preferred migrant labour to UK based workers. | |||
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" Or the lack of recruting and training Bristish workers because they could just pick up the phone and import some
Why don’t you tell us exactly how that worked? I am sure that you wouldn’t make such a statement without knowing exactly who the phone call was made to, and what was asked.
The many food processing factories around here, outsourced their HR to eastern European recruitment agencies, many of whom had set up offices in local towns and cities.
It was well known that the factories preferred migrant labour to UK based workers. "How many British people would really want to pick up work in an abattoir? Camouflaged as 'butcher' but more accurate 'abattoir operative' is tough physical work in a rather rough environment. My best guess it will be difficult to recruit and train British personnel. | |||
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" Or the lack of recruting and training Bristish workers because they could just pick up the phone and import some
Why don’t you tell us exactly how that worked? I am sure that you wouldn’t make such a statement without knowing exactly who the phone call was made to, and what was asked.
The many food processing factories around here, outsourced their HR to eastern European recruitment agencies, many of whom had set up offices in local towns and cities.
It was well known that the factories preferred migrant labour to UK based workers.
How many British people would really want to pick up work in an abattoir? Camouflaged as 'butcher' but more accurate 'abattoir operative' is tough physical work in a rather rough environment. My best guess it will be difficult to recruit and train British personnel."Always the same downer on British workers "they dont want tough physical work" British workers are no different from any other worker there are some who would relish the job with a good wage and others who would rather be in IT,law,supermarket etc etc. The British worker is no different from any other countries workers you could say the same about the French,Germans and dutch for instance if the money and conditions were there they would do the job but its was much easier for companies not to do this and employ people from poorer countries to keep costs down. | |||
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" Or the lack of recruting and training Bristish workers because they could just pick up the phone and import some
Why don’t you tell us exactly how that worked? I am sure that you wouldn’t make such a statement without knowing exactly who the phone call was made to, and what was asked.
The many food processing factories around here, outsourced their HR to eastern European recruitment agencies, many of whom had set up offices in local towns and cities.
It was well known that the factories preferred migrant labour to UK based workers.
How many British people would really want to pick up work in an abattoir? Camouflaged as 'butcher' but more accurate 'abattoir operative' is tough physical work in a rather rough environment. My best guess it will be difficult to recruit and train British personnel. Always the same downer on British workers "they dont want tough physical work" British workers are no different from any other worker there are some who would relish the job with a good wage and others who would rather be in IT,law,supermarket etc etc.
The British worker is no different from any other countries workers you could say the same about the French,Germans and dutch for instance if the money and conditions were there they would do the job but its was much easier for companies not to do this and employ people from poorer countries to keep costs down."I'm not saying there's more job snobbery in Britain than there's in other EU countries. Covid-19 has exposed the horrible work conditions in the meat factories across first world countries and as it stands it's not an attractive industry to seek employment unless the industry changes quite dramatically. Of course it also means meat gets more expensive. The difference at it stands is that the UK has a worker shortage at present and due to Brexit there's no quick solution in sight to overcome the problem in the meantime. | |||
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"As far as I can recall the government doesn’t run companies. From what I can recall companies are run by business people who are usually relatively well payed. Amongst the decisions these people normally take are how they run their business and what kind of people they hire to fulfill those objectives. The Brexit vote was several years ago now. It has been well signalled as to the likely outcomes and yet these (well payed) business types don’t seem to have prepared for it. I get that everyone loves to whack the government but at what point are we going to start asking the people who run these companies WTF are they doing? We know business people take full credit for any successfully run business. Just kind of weird that any failing business is not their fault….. They were probably to busy opposing brexit at the time hoping to keep their flow of cheap and easy to replace labour instead of thinking ahead.
Maybe all these business experts are wrong, which sectors have properly prepared for Brexit ? "You cant prepare with any certainty for something that hasnt fully happened even yet. There are still extensions to grace periods all over the place and nobody knows how things will end up afterwards. There is no direction, no clarity and no leadership | |||
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"Yawn. All this hate coming from Remainers ... they'll make themselves ill" Very articulate point well made. Nice to see you offer a rebuttal to the Brexiteer stereotype anyway! | |||
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"Yawn. All this hate coming from Remainers ... they'll make themselves ill Very articulate point well made. Nice to see you offer a rebuttal to the Brexiteer stereotype anyway!" | |||
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"As far as I can recall the government doesn’t run companies. From what I can recall companies are run by business people who are usually relatively well payed. Amongst the decisions these people normally take are how they run their business and what kind of people they hire to fulfill those objectives. The Brexit vote was several years ago now. It has been well signalled as to the likely outcomes and yet these (well payed) business types don’t seem to have prepared for it. I get that everyone loves to whack the government but at what point are we going to start asking the people who run these companies WTF are they doing? We know business people take full credit for any successfully run business. Just kind of weird that any failing business is not their fault….. They were probably to busy opposing brexit at the time hoping to keep their flow of cheap and easy to replace labour instead of thinking ahead.
Maybe all these business experts are wrong, which sectors have properly prepared for Brexit ?
You cant prepare with any certainty for something that hasnt fully happened even yet. There are still extensions to grace periods all over the place and nobody knows how things will end up afterwards.
There is no direction, no clarity and no leadership "The whole point about the future is that it is inherently uncertain and if you wait for certainty then you will never do anything. Our supply chains are far too brittle and they have reached that point because companies are optimising for efficiency over resilience. There have been plenty of warnings and indications since the original brexit vote that supply chains were going to be impacted and a prudent approach would have been to allocate some resources to preparing for a negative outcome. Interestingly that is exactly what has happened in the finance sector with the regulatory push from the Bank of England, PRA and FCA. For anyone to claim that this could not have been predicted or acted upon is not credible as it has been predicted and acted upon by one of our key industries. My point is why has no one else heeded the warning? | |||
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Why don’t you tell us exactly how that worked? I am sure that you wouldn’t make such a statement without knowing exactly who the phone call was made to, and what was asked.
"its easier to blame brexit lol yes apprenticeship schemes we fucked them off as a country and just imported doctors dentists lorry drivers fruit pickers whatever..... we didnt need to train british people to do fuck all with cheap romanian/eu/etc etc labour knocking on the door... of course business loved it.... and the brits became bloggers and important stuff... but its still brexits fault, damn those brexiteers
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"As far as I can recall the government doesn’t run companies. From what I can recall companies are run by business people who are usually relatively well payed. Amongst the decisions these people normally take are how they run their business and what kind of people they hire to fulfill those objectives. The Brexit vote was several years ago now. It has been well signalled as to the likely outcomes and yet these (well payed) business types don’t seem to have prepared for it. I get that everyone loves to whack the government but at what point are we going to start asking the people who run these companies WTF are they doing? We know business people take full credit for any successfully run business. Just kind of weird that any failing business is not their fault….." The government created brexit ...the truck drivers from europe went home...no one was left to take the piggies to market. Own your on fuck ups | |||
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"As far as I can recall the government doesn’t run companies. From what I can recall companies are run by business people who are usually relatively well payed. Amongst the decisions these people normally take are how they run their business and what kind of people they hire to fulfill those objectives. The Brexit vote was several years ago now. It has been well signalled as to the likely outcomes and yet these (well payed) business types don’t seem to have prepared for it. I get that everyone loves to whack the government but at what point are we going to start asking the people who run these companies WTF are they doing? We know business people take full credit for any successfully run business. Just kind of weird that any failing business is not their fault….. They were probably to busy opposing brexit at the time hoping to keep their flow of cheap and easy to replace labour instead of thinking ahead.
Maybe all these business experts are wrong, which sectors have properly prepared for Brexit ?
You cant prepare with any certainty for something that hasnt fully happened even yet. There are still extensions to grace periods all over the place and nobody knows how things will end up afterwards.
There is no direction, no clarity and no leadership
The whole point about the future is that it is inherently uncertain and if you wait for certainty then you will never do anything.
Our supply chains are far too brittle and they have reached that point because companies are optimising for efficiency over resilience. There have been plenty of warnings and indications since the original brexit vote that supply chains were going to be impacted and a prudent approach would have been to allocate some resources to preparing for a negative outcome.
Interestingly that is exactly what has happened in the finance sector with the regulatory push from the Bank of England, PRA and FCA.
For anyone to claim that this could not have been predicted or acted upon is not credible as it has been predicted and acted upon by one of our key industries.
My point is why has no one else heeded the warning?"Government didn’t heed any warnings to be ready. They are still in a mess. The NHS lost doctors and nurses due to Brexit so why haven’t they been kept or replaced? I knew HMRC needed more staff if we had customs in 2016 so where are they? Maybe because the financial sector had economic fat to spend on varied options and staff them accordingly they could lessen the impact. . They have lost a lot of trade even with that planning so not all successful. Finance didn’t need much physical procedure so not so hindered. They still don’t have access to the same full trading to this day., Food industry had and is still having issues over exports including Northern Ireland . M&S blaming “new” procedures not expected. Fishing industry , farming etc all with big businesses involved and yet problems.. Global logistics companies stoping trade for months as the systems weren’t ready due to lack of information from government. HMRC couldn’t cope with or answer questions. We asked about a procedure at Immingham regarding a waiting export and were after two days of chasing put through to the specialist team. The first question they asked was “ Is Immingham a customs office near Birmingham?” Immingham is the biggest U.K. port by tonnage.. This is the specialist team remember. A huge amount of the delays have been caused by HMRC offices around the country but that’s hushed up. They still don’t have the infrastructure or staff in place today. The privately owned logistics sector is virtually a Cinderella set up in the medium to small operator sector and they were the fat that enabled the industry to cope with variable demands. They get the lowest rates. Once the big operators and supermarkets started hoovering up the drivers the fat has gone. One supermarket complained to one of our hauliers about missing deliveries. The haulier pointed out the supermarket had poached 40 of their drivers. The supermarket stopped complaining. Btw for the record we went to each update meeting in person and online that the government offered. Most were just political speeches about how we had to be ready but no instruction as to what we had to be ready for. Literally none. Answer to our questions on what’s happening from HMRC in mid December 2019 was “sorry we don’t know”!! We export globally so know what we’re doing. Export procedures for the EU borders were posted online on the 23rd December. Just in time for everyone to go off on holiday. No information on each country though. We had to find that out ourselves in each country for both destination snd transit operations. The government changed the U.K. procedures again within a week of the new year. Then again and then yet again. All within 3 weeks. The fact is the government won’t implement the full procedures until mid 2022 at best. So where was their preparation and how can we adopt their procedures as they are still not ready? Btw You can’t employ two hgv or forklift drivers for every truck or forklift on a “just in case” as this is financial suicide. So having excess capacity was never going to happen. In November 2019 at a meeting with the senior staff at border force. They told us they had consulted hauliers on the Dover - Calais route. I asked, seeing as 75% of trade is carried on foreign trucks have they spoken to any of those carriers. .. Blank red faces all around!! The government officer asked to take this up with me separately .This was a shush don’t tell anyone…. what a farce. As a footnote to all this, a large number of foreign hauliers now won’t come to the U.K. due to costs and delays . The whole debacle of Brexit is costing industry billions in extra costs. If logistics is hurting then industry will eventually be hurting as everything needs transport. OH Except financial services . | |||
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"As far as I can recall the government doesn’t run companies. From what I can recall companies are run by business people who are usually relatively well payed. Amongst the decisions these people normally take are how they run their business and what kind of people they hire to fulfill those objectives. The Brexit vote was several years ago now. It has been well signalled as to the likely outcomes and yet these (well payed) business types don’t seem to have prepared for it. I get that everyone loves to whack the government but at what point are we going to start asking the people who run these companies WTF are they doing? We know business people take full credit for any successfully run business. Just kind of weird that any failing business is not their fault….. They were probably to busy opposing brexit at the time hoping to keep their flow of cheap and easy to replace labour instead of thinking ahead.
Maybe all these business experts are wrong, which sectors have properly prepared for Brexit ?
You cant prepare with any certainty for something that hasnt fully happened even yet. There are still extensions to grace periods all over the place and nobody knows how things will end up afterwards.
There is no direction, no clarity and no leadership
The whole point about the future is that it is inherently uncertain and if you wait for certainty then you will never do anything.
Our supply chains are far too brittle and they have reached that point because companies are optimising for efficiency over resilience. There have been plenty of warnings and indications since the original brexit vote that supply chains were going to be impacted and a prudent approach would have been to allocate some resources to preparing for a negative outcome.
Interestingly that is exactly what has happened in the finance sector with the regulatory push from the Bank of England, PRA and FCA.
For anyone to claim that this could not have been predicted or acted upon is not credible as it has been predicted and acted upon by one of our key industries.
My point is why has no one else heeded the warning?"I think the finance sector new it was not going to get a deal. And so spent (probably) billions on getting ready. I suspect other industries are not as dominated by a few big players, and were more reliant on knowing the lay of the land. It was probably also less easy to solve issues by simply setting up new companies elsewhere. | |||
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