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"The general mood of the british public is showing less and less support for the current government. Seems like a change is happening." The Tories still do depressingly well in polls for some reason. I'd say support for Brexit has nosedived, though. | |||
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"Well they don't want to answer for the covid bill when it is totted up in a year or 2. the tory crew want to be on the other side of the house went that happens. "They have been remarkably shit. Could all their shittiness be a master plan to throw the next election? 
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"Well they don't want to answer for the covid bill when it is totted up in a year or 2. the tory crew want to be on the other side of the house went that happens.
They have been remarkably shit. Could all their shittiness be a master plan to throw the next election?
(I doubt it. They only care about money and power. And that means they want to stay in government.)"Labour 2008 bailed out the banks by 2010 we had a coalition government who had to answer for it. It is a game they play for all to see.  | |||
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"People want the familiar, even though its shit " Fair point - better the devil you know. However, it's the FPTP electoral system that keeps the Tories in power - no matter how shit they are. Popularity really isn't a factor. The majority of UK voters don't want them in government. Obviously, an even larger proportion of UK voters don't want Labour (or any of the other Parties) in power either. So, unlike in Germany, where you have to take into account the views of all the voters and act like adults to form a coalition government to unify your country by acting in the best interests of the majority; you get what the UK has. A shower of incompetent, entitled fuckwits who actually divide the regions and nations of the UK, even when they're trying to do their best (give them the benefit of the doubt) to get the country through a difficult time. It is laughable to suggest, as the Tories love to, that the UK is actually "united". It really isn't. After all, England isn't even united. Clearly, they are not up to the task - but they don't need to care about losing another GE. They have no effective opposition south of the border ... and, up here, there aren't enough of us to make a difference; in a UK GE. | |||
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"People want the familiar, even though its shit Fair point - better the devil you know. However, it's the FPTP electoral system that keeps the Tories in power - no matter how shit they are. Popularity really isn't a factor. The majority of UK voters don't want them in government. Obviously, an even larger proportion of UK voters don't want Labour (or any of the other Parties) in power either. So, unlike in Germany, where you have to take into account the views of all the voters and act like adults to form a coalition government to unify your country by acting in the best interests of the majority; you get what the UK has. A shower of incompetent, entitled fuckwits who actually divide the regions and nations of the UK, even when they're trying to do their best (give them the benefit of the doubt) to get the country through a difficult time. It is laughable to suggest, as the Tories love to, that the UK is actually "united". It really isn't. After all, England isn't even united. Clearly, they are not up to the task - but they don't need to care about losing another GE. They have no effective opposition south of the border ... and, up here, there aren't enough of us to make a difference; in a UK GE." The last 2 paragraphs pretty much sums up the situation both north and south of the border . | |||
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"The general mood of the british public is showing less and less support for the current government. Seems like a change is happening." That's politics for you I guess. I would not be surprised if support for the government reduced significantly. What is worrying is reading some responses on here you would think Labour have thrown in the towel already. I was hoping for more from SKS but maybe he will come good from now onwards and actually mount some opposition. Maybe even provide a decent alternative for voters. Blaming external things long before any vote is even called is a mistake in my opinion | |||
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"People want the familiar, even though its shit Fair point - better the devil you know. However, it's the FPTP electoral system that keeps the Tories in power - no matter how shit they are. Popularity really isn't a factor. The majority of UK voters don't want them in government. Obviously, an even larger proportion of UK voters don't want Labour (or any of the other Parties) in power either. So, unlike in Germany, where you have to take into account the views of all the voters and act like adults to form a coalition government to unify your country by acting in the best interests of the majority; you get what the UK has. A shower of incompetent, entitled fuckwits who actually divide the regions and nations of the UK, even when they're trying to do their best (give them the benefit of the doubt) to get the country through a difficult time. It is laughable to suggest, as the Tories love to, that the UK is actually "united". It really isn't. After all, England isn't even united. Clearly, they are not up to the task - but they don't need to care about losing another GE. They have no effective opposition south of the border ... and, up here, there aren't enough of us to make a difference; in a UK GE." Fully agree, and yea your right about the fptp sytem | |||
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"It's not surprising that Tory support is dwindling, what is surprising is that support for other parties remains flat. The so called opposition Labour Party is unelectable and looks like they need to dissolve the party and start again. " Why do people say that Labour is unelectable? Labour is led by a man of great detail and the former head of the Crown Prosecution Service. He has provided sterling service to the country and has a faultless history. The Conservative Party is led by a failed journalist who was sacked for lying. He demonstrably has proven that he will say anything that he needs to say to get out of trouble, he avoids scrutiny and has no eye or interest in detail. Tell us again why Labour are unelectable? (PS - I have only ever voted Labour on two occasions on my life and on every other occasion it was Conservative). | |||
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"Isnt this what labour always do tho? Spend shit loads of money then conservetives have to mop up? " Ha ha - absolutely not. You should actually do some historical research rather than believe the spin. Tony Blair’s Government was running a surplus and it was not the fault of he, or Gordon Brown that there was a global financial crash in 2008. On reflection, keeping the banks afloat probably saved this country from catastrophe just as much as furlough payments saved the country this last year or so. It won’t stop both parties being attacked by their opponents though. We need more people in the country to get out of their ideological trenches and accept that both sides can make food and bad decisions because no-one and nothing (apart from me  ) can be perfect.
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"People want the familiar, even though its shit Fair point - better the devil you know. However, it's the FPTP electoral system that keeps the Tories in power - no matter how shit they are. Popularity really isn't a factor. The majority of UK voters don't want them in government. Obviously, an even larger proportion of UK voters don't want Labour (or any of the other Parties) in power either. So, unlike in Germany, where you have to take into account the views of all the voters and act like adults to form a coalition government to unify your country by acting in the best interests of the majority; you get what the UK has. A shower of incompetent, entitled fuckwits who actually divide the regions and nations of the UK, even when they're trying to do their best (give them the benefit of the doubt) to get the country through a difficult time. It is laughable to suggest, as the Tories love to, that the UK is actually "united". It really isn't. After all, England isn't even united. Clearly, they are not up to the task - but they don't need to care about losing another GE. They have no effective opposition south of the border ... and, up here, there aren't enough of us to make a difference; in a UK GE. The last 2 paragraphs pretty much sums up the situation both north and south of the border ." That's a point of view; although, if true, it does mean we're all fucked. Scotland, at least, has the possibility - however remote - of leaving the UK and becoming an actual democracy (like Germany or New Zealand) unhindered by Westminster. | |||
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"People want the familiar, even though its shit Fair point - better the devil you know. However, it's the FPTP electoral system that keeps the Tories in power - no matter how shit they are. Popularity really isn't a factor. The majority of UK voters don't want them in government. Obviously, an even larger proportion of UK voters don't want Labour (or any of the other Parties) in power either. So, unlike in Germany, where you have to take into account the views of all the voters and act like adults to form a coalition government to unify your country by acting in the best interests of the majority; you get what the UK has. A shower of incompetent, entitled fuckwits who actually divide the regions and nations of the UK, even when they're trying to do their best (give them the benefit of the doubt) to get the country through a difficult time. It is laughable to suggest, as the Tories love to, that the UK is actually "united". It really isn't. After all, England isn't even united. Clearly, they are not up to the task - but they don't need to care about losing another GE. They have no effective opposition south of the border ... and, up here, there aren't enough of us to make a difference; in a UK GE. The last 2 paragraphs pretty much sums up the situation both north and south of the border . That's a point of view; although, if true, it does mean we're all fucked. Scotland, at least, has the possibility - however remote - of leaving the UK and becoming an actual democracy (like Germany or New Zealand) unhindered by Westminster." Scotland already has more democracy than they know what to do with it, and it is utter nonsense to suggest the nationalist cabal need further powers to somehow lift the once great nation from the carnage which they have already inflicted. | |||
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"Isnt this what labour always do tho? Spend shit loads of money then conservetives have to mop up? " But they spend because the previous conservative government under invested, round and round it goes underinvestment, overinvestment, underinvestment, overinvestment. On and on. | |||
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"nothing unusual for a party in power to be down in the polls thats historically the case,what is unusual is that the opposition party is doing so poorly. " I am not so sure its Labour, it looks more like the lib dems in the south which are going to take the lion’s share of tory seats their. That will give the tories the bloody nose. | |||
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"nothing unusual for a party in power to be down in the polls thats historically the case,what is unusual is that the opposition party is doing so poorly. I am not so sure its Labour, it looks more like the lib dems in the south which are going to take the lion’s share of tory seats their. That will give the tories the bloody nose." At the moment yes lets wait and see nearer the election when they have actually to set out how they intend to run the country,thats when the generally fall apart. | |||
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"nothing unusual for a party in power to be down in the polls thats historically the case,what is unusual is that the opposition party is doing so poorly. I am not so sure its Labour, it looks more like the lib dems in the south which are going to take the lion’s share of tory seats their. That will give the tories the bloody nose.At the moment yes lets wait and see nearer the election when they have actually to set out how they intend to run the country,thats when the generally fall apart." I think they know they won’t run the country, it would be a protest vote by tory voters, plus tory voters not coming to vote for boris. It was the same for labour voters in 2010, did come out or vote for lib dems. | |||
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As it seem to getting more and more that oposite sides just cannot accept the winning vote  | |||
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"I wonder if the next General Election will bring on the same animosity and vitriol as the Brexit voting did
As it seem to getting more and more that oposite sides just cannot accept the winning vote "I dont think that is true to be honest i think the majority of the country accepts the results of elections and referendums and carries on with life a few bitter people on here does not represent the country as a whole.  | |||
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"I wonder if the next General Election will bring on the same animosity and vitriol as the Brexit voting did
As it seem to getting more and more that oposite sides just cannot accept the winning vote I dont think that is true to be honest i think the majority of the country accepts the results of elections and referendums and carries on with life a few bitter people on here does not represent the country as a whole. "The only people complaining and not accepting the majority vote are the opposition mps. | |||
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"The general mood of the british public is showing less and less support for the current government. Seems like a change is happening. The Tories still do depressingly well in polls for some reason. I'd say support for Brexit has nosedived, though." Surely those that voted for it, knew the implications of their actions? | |||
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"The general mood of the british public is showing less and less support for the current government. Seems like a change is happening. The Tories still do depressingly well in polls for some reason. I'd say support for Brexit has nosedived, though. Surely those that voted for it, knew the implications of their actions?" I'd agree | |||
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"The general mood of the british public is showing less and less support for the current government. Seems like a change is happening. The Tories still do depressingly well in polls for some reason. I'd say support for Brexit has nosedived, though. Surely those that voted for it, knew the implications of their actions?" hahahhaha The old ones are the best, eh? | |||
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"People want the familiar, even though its shit Fair point - better the devil you know. However, it's the FPTP electoral system that keeps the Tories in power - no matter how shit they are. Popularity really isn't a factor. The majority of UK voters don't want them in government. Obviously, an even larger proportion of UK voters don't want Labour (or any of the other Parties) in power either. So, unlike in Germany, where you have to take into account the views of all the voters and act like adults to form a coalition government to unify your country by acting in the best interests of the majority; you get what the UK has. A shower of incompetent, entitled fuckwits who actually divide the regions and nations of the UK, even when they're trying to do their best (give them the benefit of the doubt) to get the country through a difficult time. It is laughable to suggest, as the Tories love to, that the UK is actually "united". It really isn't. After all, England isn't even united. Clearly, they are not up to the task - but they don't need to care about losing another GE. They have no effective opposition south of the border ... and, up here, there aren't enough of us to make a difference; in a UK GE. The last 2 paragraphs pretty much sums up the situation both north and south of the border . That's a point of view; although, if true, it does mean we're all fucked. Scotland, at least, has the possibility - however remote - of leaving the UK and becoming an actual democracy (like Germany or New Zealand) unhindered by Westminster. Scotland already has more democracy than they know what to do with it, and it is utter nonsense to suggest the nationalist cabal need further powers to somehow lift the once great nation from the carnage which they have already inflicted." More democracy than we know what to do with? So, you don't believe the Scots have the right to self determination, unfettered by Westminster? How forward thinking of you. Luckily, since you don't live here, you can remain in your comfort zone. Btw, I didn't suggest the SNP need any more power than they already have. They have no more than the voters of Scotland granted them. The same is true for the Tories up here. Which is as it should be. Up here, we don't use pure FPTP to determine the result of an election. It was determined as not democratic enough by the New Labour Government that set up the Scottish Parliament - and it was also a safeguard against an eventuality they never thought would take place. Although, in 2011, it did. I know you don't approve of the voters of Scotland having any say at all in their future. You've made that clear often enough. That doesn't make you unique - just anti-democratic. | |||
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"I wonder if the next General Election will bring on the same animosity and vitriol as the Brexit voting did
As it seem to getting more and more that oposite sides just cannot accept the winning vote "I think the situation has been accepted, can’t change what happened. Can change who is in charge though, through the ballot box of course, some people seem to forget that. | |||
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"People want the familiar, even though its shit Fair point - better the devil you know. However, it's the FPTP electoral system that keeps the Tories in power - no matter how shit they are. Popularity really isn't a factor. The majority of UK voters don't want them in government. Obviously, an even larger proportion of UK voters don't want Labour (or any of the other Parties) in power either. So, unlike in Germany, where you have to take into account the views of all the voters and act like adults to form a coalition government to unify your country by acting in the best interests of the majority; you get what the UK has. A shower of incompetent, entitled fuckwits who actually divide the regions and nations of the UK, even when they're trying to do their best (give them the benefit of the doubt) to get the country through a difficult time. It is laughable to suggest, as the Tories love to, that the UK is actually "united". It really isn't. After all, England isn't even united. Clearly, they are not up to the task - but they don't need to care about losing another GE. They have no effective opposition south of the border ... and, up here, there aren't enough of us to make a difference; in a UK GE. The last 2 paragraphs pretty much sums up the situation both north and south of the border . That's a point of view; although, if true, it does mean we're all fucked. Scotland, at least, has the possibility - however remote - of leaving the UK and becoming an actual democracy (like Germany or New Zealand) unhindered by Westminster. Scotland already has more democracy than they know what to do with it, and it is utter nonsense to suggest the nationalist cabal need further powers to somehow lift the once great nation from the carnage which they have already inflicted. More democracy than we know what to do with? So, you don't believe the Scots have the right to self determination, unfettered by Westminster? How forward thinking of you. Luckily, since you don't live here, you can remain in your comfort zone. Btw, I didn't suggest the SNP need any more power than they already have. They have no more than the voters of Scotland granted them. The same is true for the Tories up here. Which is as it should be. Up here, we don't use pure FPTP to determine the result of an election. It was determined as not democratic enough by the New Labour Government that set up the Scottish Parliament - and it was also a safeguard against an eventuality they never thought would take place. Although, in 2011, it did. I know you don't approve of the voters of Scotland having any say at all in their future. You've made that clear often enough. That doesn't make you unique - just anti-democratic." The voters of Scotland have democratically got what they voted for! Why you think Westminster has anything to do with the the mess the nationalist cabal are making of running Scotland beggars belief really. No one else to blame other than Wee nippie and her band of blinkered idiots … and now with the added ‘bonus’ of the Scottish greens ! What a joke  | |||
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"I wonder if the next General Election will bring on the same animosity and vitriol as the Brexit voting did
As it seem to getting more and more that oposite sides just cannot accept the winning vote
I think the situation has been accepted, can’t change what happened. Can change who is in charge though, through the ballot box of course, some people seem to forget that. "This government are trying to make it harder to vote them out though. Trying to disenfranchise voters who are less likely to vote for them, trying to weaken the judiciary and electoral commission, trying to install a puppet to the chair of Ofcom, putting donors in the Lords etc. | |||
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"I wonder if the next General Election will bring on the same animosity and vitriol as the Brexit voting did
As it seem to getting more and more that oposite sides just cannot accept the winning vote
I think the situation has been accepted, can’t change what happened. Can change who is in charge though, through the ballot box of course, some people seem to forget that.
This government are trying to make it harder to vote them out though. Trying to disenfranchise voters who are less likely to vote for them, trying to weaken the judiciary and electoral commission, trying to install a puppet to the chair of Ofcom, putting donors in the Lords etc. "Emphasis on trying, they will probably realise that these so called reforms will probably hurt them as it hurts their opponents. Zero sum game. | |||
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"I'm politicaly unbiased. I've never such crap from Boris and Rishi as I've in the last days conference. Who are they trying to fool. Increase productivity is the way out of national debt not upping taxes. And they should stop errr....pandering to the Chinese. " | |||
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"Well they don't want to answer for the covid bill when it is totted up in a year or 2. the tory crew want to be on the other side of the house went that happens.
They have been remarkably shit. Could all their shittiness be a master plan to throw the next election?
(I doubt it. They only care about money and power. And that means they want to stay in government.)
Labour 2008 bailed out the banks by 2010 we had a coalition government who had to answer for it. It is a game they play for all to see.
"Would you have preferred the banks to go to the wall, that would almost certainly harmed the economy more? In both cases (financial crash, Pandemic) the Government had to do something. You can argue over the detail, and the approach, but in neither case was standing back and watching an option. | |||
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"The general mood of the british public is showing less and less support for the current government. Seems like a change is happening. " But this is the joke. The actual change between a "disastrous" election, 2017 that May was slated for, and a successful election, that Johnson has been feted for, is about 300,000 votes. So what does "less support" actually mean, and does it make any real difference? | |||
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"I'm politicaly unbiased. I've never such crap from Boris and Rishi as I've in the last days conference. Who are they trying to fool. Increase productivity is the way out of national debt not upping taxes. And they should stop errr....pandering to the Chinese. " Increasing productivity is difficult, especially when your economy is 80% service based - meaning some of it simply isn't essential (and boy did the pandemic prove that) and, for decades, you've kept as many of the nation's workforce on as low a wage (bordering on exploitation, for millions) as you could get away with. Increasing pay, to a level that actually reflects a low-paid employee's worth, isn't going to make them work harder; it's going to make them think "About fucking time! Now I can come off UC, stop going to the food bank and pay my gas bill without using my overdraft." If you want productivity to increase you can do it two ways - use robots - or stop treating people as if they were robots. | |||
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"The general mood of the british public is showing less and less support for the current government. Seems like a change is happening. But this is the joke. The actual change between a "disastrous" election, 2017 that May was slated for, and a successful election, that Johnson has been feted for, is about 300,000 votes. So what does "less support" actually mean, and does it make any real difference?" Don’t worry they won’t be voting Labour until the purge of the rest of the extreme leftists occurs. These are people who voted tory in the south but are dissatisfied with the way to tories have been, their hearlands. Support is going down faster that previously antipicated. Polls are inconsequental at this point in time, but the mood is quite febrile among the associations. The main grievance is the levelling up agenda, which seems to be aimed at maintaining tory support in the north. It’s not working for them. | |||
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